Philadelphia "End the Fed" rally - April 25, 2009, Part 1

[averageworkinggal]

You should demand reparations for your white ancestors not having the vote in the early days of the republic and being enslaved to the land owner oligarchs.

If the blacks can do civil rights shakedowns, so can white males.

[jonreed819]

Now we've gone completely in the opposite direction, ignoring the Constitution & the ideologies that freed us from monarchical rule. What do u think is going on now? The Fed govt has taken the place of King George and the ruling elite u criticize of the govt then is alive today. I didn't have a say in those "stimulus" bills and bailouts, did u?

Our educated "betters" are once again making decisions for us. U should be insiting passionately that we adhere to our revolutionary principles

[jonreed819]

As much as John Adams hated the tyrranical rule of Great Britain, he proposed that the US President be referred to in the same vain as royalty.

All political ideologies falter when they begin. Communisim was supposed to bring about a classless society. Did it? Were there not ruling elites in USSR? How about Cuba and China?

America had to evolve. It wasn't going to be perfect right from the start. As long as we had the principles of the Constitution, there was always hope.

[jonreed819]

Then there were the Republican-Democrats, who weren't perfect either, but strived to ensure that the power remained with the states...and even the states had their own laws that sometimes conflicted with the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson, by Va. law, couldn't just "free" his slaves if he wanted to. It was a slave state that wasn't high on having former slaves walking around and made it really difficult for anyone who wanted have it so.

[jonreed819]

Wow. Congratulations. You're the first person to realize that even the founding fathers didn't always live up to the principles they professed - that even they had to evolve into the ideals they, in fact, believed in. Like many educated men then and now, many of them believed that it was up to the learned individual to lead those who weren't as educated or accomplished. That's why there were Federalists - those who believed the federal govt should have more power over the states.

[averageworkinggal]

The answer to 1984 is 1776?

The "republic" the founding fathers gave us was a Physiocratic Agrarian "power elite" , white male land owner, rule of the Plantation Owners oligarchy.

Not until the "manhood suffrage" movement in the early 1800s did the common man white male get the vote.

The "manhood suffrage" movement was labelled as "democracy mob rule."

The common man white male did not have the vote until 1824.

The answer for the white supremacists (Ron Pall supporters) is 1824 not 1776.