When i bought my GT4 it was the most amazing game i ever experienced. 1 year later i got into simracing and started with the demo of LFS playing with my mouse and the experience from GT4 didnt help at all. Got all day training hard at the track and starting to eat seconds: 1.25... 20...18... Now im an expert and i play with the best and i do 1.13s at my best ( the world record is 1.12s) and it was with a mouse.
conclusion: Want to start real racing? grab your PC and start training with LFS
@wapperott you wrong, I buyed enthusia after this video and I say that GT4, GT3 and GT5 are fake driving simulators with fake damage and fake driving simulation and fake..................... alll the game il a fail, enthisia is the best and better than all the GT in the history, if you say this tghings i suppose that you never tryied enthusia........ and for that yopu are a driving game NOOOOOOB
The only game that i actually bought.. seeing how hard developers worked on this piece of art make wanna support them which for a bloody pirate as me is a big deal :)Other intreseting fact is that it took me weeks to master the driving and by driving i dont mean generally but on specific cars and months for all of them(now i can do pretty much everything i like)...its strange because on other racing games i need not more than a few hours ..I recommend Honda NSX for great drifting exp
hi there^^ i got that game too, but ive problems with steering. in race only my analog stick are working but not my buttons like shoulder buttons or circle, triangle, etc
in menus everything works fine and in other games all buttons are working. I want to play this game so hard, later on with G25. HELP!!!
you are an idiot sorry, if you wanna discuss how real a game is, try to test with a steering wheel not with a joystick or gamepad or somethinh like that.
These are valid points yes, and Enthusia was made by Konami, a reputable company with VERY high attention to detail(Medal Gear Solid) so I am not suprised by this. But the arguments you make are variables that are applied differently in both games, There are universal aids in GT4 that take away direct control over the cars ability to spin in place, roll whereas Enthusia its just bare bones with certain cars that dont have aids, its there just applied differently, maybe I should play Enthusia
@metalheadedmonkey797 That's such a crock of shit, GT5 has been said to have physics on par w/ the likes of even iRacing in most aspects and square straight up evenly w/ even every other PC sim out there, I bet you didn't even play GT5, sorry that's just such a load of ignorance right there though. GT5 is excellent, hardcore PC sim racers have been praising it up and down.
@metalheadedmonkey797 Yeah man except I heard GT5 is the shit and stomps all over the competition, did you even really play GT5? Obviously not, or you wouldn't be making such stupidly ridiculous comments.
@metalheadedmonkey797 ok look, i ve got uthin against either game, except for enthusia, no crashing, and gt5, bad crashing physics.... there, to set it all straight.....
I will just say this, I have played through and beaten GT4 100% with every single gold trophy, every car, and all challenges complete and I loved every minute of it.
As for Enthusia, I had never even heard of it until this video, so it may be better in some areas, but if you can't get the damn thing advertised then no one will know that, and thus we ADAPT to what GT4 has.
I think GT5(The full one,not prologue)will finally fix the major issues that have plagued GT2-GT5P.I've been reading some early hands on reviews and they have been saying that Polyphony finally got it through there thick ass heads and threw in some really good physics as far as drifting and oversteer are concerned.
(Lets just hope so)BTW,that system is this game on?I'd like to get it.
@GabrielDetonator F*ck PGR! It sucks! And it's NOT a simulation. ...not really... Yes, it IS still one of the best. OK, it's not as good as FM3, but it's still THE best PS2 simulation of all time. Well ... this could be because no new PS2 games are published any more.
Other question: can you drive sub-compact cars, vans or off-roaders in FM3 or GT5?
@GabrielDetonator Who needs Formula 1 when you have cars like the Audi R8 or the BMW M1. It is true, Enthusia does NOT have the amount of cars, like GT, but the MUCH better variation and it handles more realistic.
Wolfe2x7 !! I bought Enthusia for 75 cents. It's absolutely fantastic. But one MAJ0R gripe..
I cannot believe it was overlooked. You know the Driving Revolution, I think ? The mode with the gate challenges. Man, they overlooked giving you the option of standard tranny. I FUCKING HATE AUT0MATIC ! Good shit, tho.
@FIFA07Addicted x2, this bunch of gt fanboys are so fucking crazy because the slogan of their game "real driving simulator" is just for merchadise purposes, and a catchy prhase hahahahaha, i would take any gt driver any time, any car, any track, thanks to forza i open my eyes, now looking forward to LFS, RFACTOR, iracing, yeah!!
@FIFA07Addicted "Forza 3 is the most realistic simulator" More so than enthusia/gt4 for sure, but "most realistic"? Theres better out there. Snag a try at Iracing if you get the chance
OK,have your Enthusia...have your Enthusia 700 cars,NO...have you enthusia soo much tracks,NO...have your enthusia photo mode,NO...have your enthusia open roof car,NO...have your enthusia better graphics,NO...have your enthusia great soundtrack,NO...SO STOP SPITING ON GT4...play your "Enthusia"
@happycrap23 No but it has really good gameplay from what I can tell.Who cares about cars,tracks,photo mode,this,that and blah blah blah when gameplay is sub-par?Kinda throws all your points out the window now doesn't it?
i dont get what you're getting at with the lift off oversteer. i was always able to do a braking drift or a lift off oversteer on tarmac or dirt. i have both enthusia and gt4. and everything you claim gt4 cannot do. i have done with rwd, fwd and awd.
thing is, racing isn't about power-sliding or drifting. fastest way around a corner, is gripping.
Enthusia=terrible brakes, lacks any torque steer, countereteer rate on a G25 is too slow, etc. Its only oversteery because of excessive front tire grip.
GT4=wtf handling.
Kaido/TXRD2 is the only console game with reasonable physics. It beats LFS in terms of steering, since LFS has the 720 degree cars only and deadzones in past it, & it also has pretty bad tire physics.
GT4 Physics are good only if you are racing. Not trying to do donuts or any other crazy driving that creators of the game didn't think you would do. It shows they had no intentions of a person to drive like they are high behind the wheel.
I big flaw of enthusia is that damn AI. Even in snow with a damn bugati eb110 it manages to find grip in incredible speeds without even oversteering a bit. It's annoying
Biggest issue with Enthusia's physics engine is rampant oversteer on any RWD model. It's beyond unrealistic in RWD grip when the power comes on. It makes them damn near undrivable with a DS2 controller.
That's true, but when you use it with a G25, oversteer feels great and very realistic.
Physics in Enthusia are up there with LFS. If Enthusia had better force feedback and clutch support for the G25, I would never get off it. It's a shame there was never a sequel
@philyt Thats reality. Driving a REAL car with a game controller is not an easy task. Most people who play hardcore simulations have steering wheels. You can get a cheap one for $50 or less, and a great one for $150 or less, new. If your not willing to spend a little more for a wheel, then your not willing to put the effort required into a hardcore sim. Just play your "game" with sim elements, and enjoy it. Stop acting like it has to be the best in realism to have fun.
@theangrygimp You're shitty attitude is funny. You're taking this game, and my comment way too seriously. This is not even a hardcore SIM, so get off that high-horse as well.
And no, the real life versions of these cars do not handle anywhere near the same as they do in the game. There's more than a few cars in Enthusia's lineup that I've had hand-on experience with. This is not reality.
@philyt I wasn't commenting on the game, I was commenting on your remark that it was too difficult to control with a dual shock controller. A REAL LIFE car would be very difficult to control accurately with a gamepad. You took my comment way out of context. I have never even played enthusia, I don't even have a PS2 anymore. But I know enough people who praise what it was for its time, who raced in real life with me on track days. Maybe you should understand the comment before replying.
@philyt I would hope, that any physics model that calls itself even a little realistic, would give oversteer on rwd cars when you go from 0 to 100% throttle in a button press. That is reality, if you floored a real car, that would happen. I personally know people who raced with me on actual track days, who's judgment I trust, also enjoyed playing on enthusia with a wheel. Since my PS3 doesn't play PS2 games, I'll take their word (and the many comparison vid's/articles) on the physics comparison.
@philyt Do you drive the real life versions as you would in the game? Not many people have the balls to. Its not fair to make that comment unless you actually do. Also if you drive in the game as you would in real life, you'd find it's pretty close.
@monkeypainter808 I assure you Enthusia's physics are no where close to a simulation. Go drive the Astrovan and tell me you can do that with the real thing.
@philyt any where close to a simulation? Well enthusia is very satisfying to me as far as comparing it to real life goes. Nerding out on a sim is cool and all, but I love to drive. When it comes to exploring possibilities or trying to dissect a technique or situations that occurred IRL, enthusia lets me do it satisfyingly close enough with enough car and track variety, without all the fiddling of a sim. As for the astro, who cares? Its an astro.
@monkeypainter808 My Astrovan annihilates a good majority of the supercars in that game, and was competitive while stock against a boat load of other typical sports cars. If that's a simulator, then holy shit iRacing, LFS, and rFactor have it all wrong.
not tryna be a dick. But turning people off of the game just cause you like to sim is lame. Its a great game for people who love to drive, but don't get a boner off of technical nuances. Enthusia is a good game, and is pretty realistic without going full, hardcore nerd. Cheap too.
As Enthusia was a good sim for PS2, so was GT4. Both are good in terms of physics, but not great.
As for tire physics being off, just try driving one of the oldest cars in GT4, like the Benz patent motorwagen. Although those glitches might just be problems with the tire model itself, still goes to show.
Since the PS3 is lots more powerful I'm expecting GT5 to win in the physics department.
Nothing is wrong with the guy. Hell, he inspired the creators of Forza Motorsport to make their game!
It's just that GT4's physics are so disappointing. This video proves it. And I drive in real life and KNOW that the physics on GT4 just aren't realistic. Enthusia Professional Racing CLEARLY has better physics.
To tell you the truth, I would much prefer GT4's format (very easy and fun to use, great menu music) with Enthusia's handling and amazing music (go look up nurburgring suite).
That what fanboys do, no matter how many times someone has good proof that something is inferior, the fanboys will just keep saying 'their' one is better. Same thing with this whole PS3 vs Xbox shit, both have good points, and bad points.
I might have to try GT5, have really hated the GT series and GT5 will have to have done some massive work in the physics department to even get me interested in it.
@AWDfreak Indeed, and GT5 Time Trial Demo was made to prove that the game was realist, by taking the players with the best times to a real track to drive the same cars that were in the time trial, and it was proven right.
Sorry, but I just cannot be not commenting, your speed with oversteer/understeer factor is over 100km/h, and if you know ANYTHING about real physics or real driving, you would know you would HIT the wall with those speeds you actually go there (with mustang '66 for sure) sorry, but you think Enthusia is realistic because it handles nicer than GT ? :P Go buy '66 mustang, drift with it at those speeds and see for yourself.... Dont blame me if you get killed :)
yes that was awesome piece of thinking. enthusia is really good, but is still think that gt4 is more realistic especially drifting (on wheel). for me these 2 games are the best titles for ps2 racing fans. and i dont know why author of this movie is comparing those games. of course he can compare gt3 with gt4 but not the 2 other games.
I have to agree, Enthusia is very arcadish in that sense, although it's only a matter of scaling to get a more accurate simulation. The physics rules emphasized in this video are nice, but not applied properly to the car.
Enthusia will be made for the next generation consoles PS3, X360 ...
It seems like a good game, but the GT series already has a history and will not be tainted by this error the team that produced a detail of the cars with rear-wheel drive ...
I'll play it as much as Forza, Gran Turismo and the like ...
I watched your videos a while back and decided to dust off my copy of enthusia and play through it. The most profound thing I found while playing it was thatthere was a HUGE difference in the handling in AWD cars that had the engine located differently. For example I was able to drift all day for free in the inpreza with little risk and when I switched to the Turbo R I was barly able to control it due to the seemingly random oversteer(I had to learn about how RR cars responded to Braking etc...
Now that I learned how Rear engined cars responds to braking and accelerating I find that not only is it rewarding in its own right but Enthusia is the only console game that really differentiates rear AWD from other AWD cars.
ohh aculey wheelspin dose work in gt4........and donuts do work and gt4........and please get a life *no offence* and stop making videos on wicth game is better..there both good games ok? ppl like what they like...i prefer gta4 because if i hadent played like gt1 gt2 gt3 gt4 and all that then i proberly wouldent have a chance of getting sponserded by redbull like how i might next week.......
Oh, he should get the life you have? You mean the one you supposedly have being sponsored by red bull because you're some couch potato who can play a few games, yet have nothing better to do than ponder around youtube? If you don't like his video's don't freakin' watch them. Everybody wins...
i prefer kaido 3/TXRD2's physics. best of both worlds(awesome tuning and physics). enthusia lacks high speed traction loss, brake/tire wear, etc. less sensitive to elevation changes. all cars still have abs feel, and lack of ability to tune them just doesn't make the game better. Still pretty good in it's own ways and beats TXRD2 in some departments. Enthusia had the worst career mode of any driving game.
No offence, but IRL racing is expensive. I'd like to race IRL but simply can't afford it. I mean just buying tyres costs A LOT of money, then the car and making it a race car. And take a guess how much a single crash with a flip or two costs to you? New, seats, helmets, lot's of bodywork and maybe even straightening the body. So ask your some local racer for yearly costs and then wonder why some of us like to play accurate simulations. Even maintaining a street car with 400hp and racing it costs
@RudojiLape Yeah, hitting a 10,000€/year only on tyres is pretty much money for most of people to pay alone. Ofcourse sponsors are a big help but first you got to get some name and reputation to get good sponsors. Not all of us are like that Arabian driver on Ford WRC rally team. They got big sponsor contract from Abu Dhabi and in exchange some arabian guy shows up in WRC scene who is almost the slowest one around on one of the most fastest WRC cars available. Even private teams kick his butt
YO WOLFE! I dunno if you remember me, but I seem to recall your name as the person I had time attack with on Dragon Range back then.
And very nice video, don't mind these douchebags, I actually agree with you with everything. I tried Live for Speed back then and it feels identical to Enthusia aswell. Keep it up man!
also people who play video games that have to do with a particular profession sometimes get interested in what's behind it more than if they hadn't played, see Guitar Hero and kids learning how to play guitar more frequently
I ordered this game recently, when I first looked at the graphics and read the description, I was really excited and ordered the game, however god punishing me right now, there is a mail strike around my area and I wouldn't get my package for a while... I dunno what words I could use to describe my situation, however I would kill anyone or anything to get my hands on this game.
The video gets me more excited with the realistic features.. it's raising my 'kill anyone for the game meter'.
This game is very underrated. fanboys often brag GT4 and Forza that when this game is really a Gran Turismo trainer...meaning when I played this game, I got better at Gran Turismo 4
sorry but enthusia is a sad game. the speedometer is not even accurate. if i am going 0 mph why do i still continue to rocket into a wall? RWD cars are un-playable. i have to use a jaguar with both of the driving assistants on for this game to be enjoyable. the point system is ridiculous aswell. why do i lose points when an AI driver hits me? why do AI's never crash? there is no customization involved in the game.. and it takes 7 days to switch cars? riiight. enthusia sucks balls. forza ftw
If you're pounding the brakes, all wheels lock up, which results in the speedo reading 0. Speedo's read from the tires/tranny, not black magic.
I've been developing content and coding physics based on real-world data for real racing simulators for over 10 years, so I'm a little more qualified to make these assessments than any of you kids.
Go ahead, delude yourself all you want, but Forza and GT are ARCADE games, not simulators. Are they fun? Sure. Realistic? Absolutely not.
okay.. why doesn't enthusia have an ABS assist option?
the thing is, enthusia's physics and gameplay concepts look good on paper, but they're terrible ingame. if it is as realistic as it claims, then i am dreading the first day i have to get behind the wheel of a real car. i bought an xbox360 literally the day after i made that comment. forza has an interesting feature called CUSTOMIZATION. and forza is an arcade game? last time i checked enthusia has the most basic arcade style level system.
ABS Option? It depends on the car, 34's have it and you feel it when you break and turn. The 86's on the other hand don't (just like in real life).
Enthusia has the most basic arcade style level system? What xilix meant is that Forza and GT4 have arcade "PHYSICS", they're not even near sim as LFS. And if you didn't know, Enthusia actually has "CUSTOMIZATION" aswell. You can adjust the limited slip differential and you can add horse power and powerful grip tires and many more.
"but it certainly hits most of the areas GT4 is lacking in"
Specially on the car list!
The 206 WRC is an example, Polyphony added this car for the first time on GT2, same year the car came out, then on GT3, I was waiting to see the 2001 version, but ok.
And then, GT4 has the SAME car? c'mon! UPDATE!
Enthusia, on the other hand, has more recent cars.
I love Gran Turismo, but damn! update the car list more often!
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I think that Burnout revenge is the most realistic simulator ever! I made a donut in it! Man this is just lame :D Your comparing games as simulations, if you wan't reality try rfactor or iRacing...
If you've ever driven Enthusia and know what a real car handles like, you'll never switch back to GT4 because it feels so damn unrealistic. Without doubt GT4's gameplay is better though, so if you're not that much of a realism freak you won't like Enthusia better.
PLZ somebody can tell me how to beat the game or get to the #1 ranking, i've been playing this game for a while and now im #534 i cant get any better, i race with a ford GT and do the first races of the week ( wich gives you more points and are more dificult ) without crashing and going off the track, and sometimes after the race my ranking number goes to #550; i dunno how to get any better
GT4 doesn't do this, GT4 doesn't do that... wow... someone sure does have a grudge against Gran Turismo... I personally find Gran Turismo much more FUN to play... didn't say more accurate in real life - because we all play for fun.... well most of us. Honestly, I've never actually heard of this game before, it looks kinda interesting. Is Nurburgring always that gloomy in this game? Lol
i like both of them, but for different reasons. i use logitech gt pro steering wheel. enthusia has a very well sorted handling,but lacks feel in the steering (it's woolen if u like). gt4 has a very conected feel. u feel all the bumps and exactly what rear is doing, and the handling feels far more indepth with the wheel than with the pad. in short enthusia: slight edge on phisics, gt4: considerable edge on steering feedback.
I agree, Enthusia's force feedback is inferior to GT4's, but without a decent driving model to go along with it, GT4's force feedback is like an empty ice cream cone. I can't stand to play Enthusia with a wheel, but I can't stand to play GT4, period.
i'm a little confused by the wheels' names as i think they are released under different ones in different countries. g25 has 3 pedals, right? have you tried different tyres avaliable? if not, try the hardest from road tyres. it is actually fun. back to enthusia, don't get me wrong, i like the game, and i do think that phisics are superior, however the problem lies (for me) in the silky smooth surfaces of the tracks. it creates a feeling of detachment. i also prefer more quantifiable tuning.
Many people complain about GT4 cars cannot drift cause it always understeer, and they complain that the GT4 cars act like a train or something... Maybe this people doesn't bother look at the car settings and doesn't notice that there's a so called DRIVING AIDS that prevents them to oversteer, understeer and even wheel spins!!! this AIDS do some minimum brake on the wheels that really prevents the car to do oversteers... If you shut of this AIDS you may feel that GT4 is harder to play... peace!
very good video. this game sat on my shelf for a long time because i hated it at first. it was to hard. then one day i had nothing else better to do and decided to give it another try. after getting through all of the slow cars i realized how awesome it is. i tried playing gt the other day and i HATED it. used to love that game, not i can't play any other racing games.
the sad part of gt4 is that in nfs most wanted donuts actually work, and they will still keep spinning if you let go of the steering. you actually get more feel for the car and unlike every simulator ive ever played the visuals and sound arent cheesy versions of the original. seriously why do simulators always eature robotic looking cars with fake sound and less feel?
um honestly if anyone is talking crap about this game then they gotta get their crap together. This game is very accurate. I can't stand GT4. The GT games might be cool to a lot of people but honestly I'd rate Enthusia over all of them....put together. All the cars in this game that I've driven in real life actually handle just like in the game.
ur talking out ur ass ive played nd completed both if u knew anythin bout driftin ud know if u tried 2 keep ur ft down ud spin out nd as 4 ur vid on gt4 being fake ive been to the nurburgring if u tried to go round the 1st corner at 91mph as u tried ud be 6ft under u get a stock skyline round there on gt4 in under 7mins 34secs then u can talk bout gt4 tosser
I am a GT fan. And as I made in a recent video, Enthusia is hellishly underrated. like this was some Gran Turismo wannabe to most people. If anything, I'd rather rally in this game than the GT series because of its lovely driving dynamics. I still love the GT series, but Enthusia is an absolutely surprising and enticing game. Great explanation of everything.
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3 secrets: gay, gayer, and gayest. you suck and this game sucks. and thats SO realistic when youre doing donuts in place but it says youre goin 51 mph. HA! this game is a joke and GT4 blows it away
Yeah, the speedometer couldn't possibly be referring to the speed the wheels are spinning at. And the speedometer is the best measure of a game's worth.
dude you have no idea what ur talkin about and these are the only games you probably play. why dont you pick up call of duty or mortal kombat or something else. these games get old after a while
And you probably don't eat enough fruits and vegetables. Why don't you pick up some apples and carrots from the market, or something else? Fast food gets old after a while.
omg you can do donuts thats so useful in a racing game seriously some of the points your making are just and if you blast round a banked corner in a low le mans car in gt4 and ease off the throttle the car rear end comes out all of a sudden in enthusia it wont do that and alos those secrets and actually secrets so get your facts right oh and the suspension in gt4 isnt lifeless its because your comparing the wrong car its a fact the shelby had stiffened suspension
Enthusia allows you to run a time attack of one section of a track. I chose the first section, and after the donuts and everything else, that was my time.
I played the mazda 787b on GT4 and the mazda 787B on enthusia and i got to say that the mazda 787B made by enthusia is more realistic when it comes in the sound of the engine.
¬_¬ he states that the game isn't easy at 2:37 and then contradicts himself at 5:36.
If enthusia allows oversteer with no spin outs then what exactly is hard about it? and by the way GT4 does have accel. off oversteer, you just probably had a wide transmission setting as opposed to a close one needed to induce engine braking. And it also has braking oversteer, for that you have to tinker with the brake balance controller.I will admit that i haven't experienced downshift drifts.
GT2 is better than any racing simulations!!!
yudha49 3 weeks ago
I actually hated Enthusia more than any game I had ever bought and all I ever buy are racing games. I hated all the Gran Turismo games. So fake.
JimmyRayhere 1 month ago
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LFS > ALL
just give me a thumbs up no matter you agree or not. Thanks :)
wj0102 2 months ago
When i bought my GT4 it was the most amazing game i ever experienced. 1 year later i got into simracing and started with the demo of LFS playing with my mouse and the experience from GT4 didnt help at all. Got all day training hard at the track and starting to eat seconds: 1.25... 20...18... Now im an expert and i play with the best and i do 1.13s at my best ( the world record is 1.12s) and it was with a mouse.
conclusion: Want to start real racing? grab your PC and start training with LFS
lordferius 3 months ago
@wapperott you wrong, I buyed enthusia after this video and I say that GT4, GT3 and GT5 are fake driving simulators with fake damage and fake driving simulation and fake..................... alll the game il a fail, enthisia is the best and better than all the GT in the history, if you say this tghings i suppose that you never tryied enthusia........ and for that yopu are a driving game NOOOOOOB
BlaCKGaming01 4 months ago
looks exactly like gt4 just that the TCS and ASM are now turned off
wapperott 4 months ago
so, i'm not english0,I don't understand the video, I have gt4, and i am buying enthusia, what's the best??? can you answer me?
BlaCKGaming01 5 months ago
@BlaCKGaming01 enthusia sucks gt4 and gt3 are best
wapperott 4 months ago
The only game that i actually bought.. seeing how hard developers worked on this piece of art make wanna support them which for a bloody pirate as me is a big deal :)Other intreseting fact is that it took me weeks to master the driving and by driving i dont mean generally but on specific cars and months for all of them(now i can do pretty much everything i like)...its strange because on other racing games i need not more than a few hours ..I recommend Honda NSX for great drifting exp
knsvmv 6 months ago
hi there^^ i got that game too, but ive problems with steering. in race only my analog stick are working but not my buttons like shoulder buttons or circle, triangle, etc
in menus everything works fine and in other games all buttons are working. I want to play this game so hard, later on with G25. HELP!!!
Weedkilla94 6 months ago
Both are great games, you all should agree.
InAndersonWeTrust 7 months ago
you are an idiot sorry, if you wanna discuss how real a game is, try to test with a steering wheel not with a joystick or gamepad or somethinh like that.
Kimisrcn 7 months ago
GT4 really sucks on physics and GT5 feels strange too i prefer enthusia than Gran Turismo
lucasfs1995 7 months ago
These are valid points yes, and Enthusia was made by Konami, a reputable company with VERY high attention to detail(Medal Gear Solid) so I am not suprised by this. But the arguments you make are variables that are applied differently in both games, There are universal aids in GT4 that take away direct control over the cars ability to spin in place, roll whereas Enthusia its just bare bones with certain cars that dont have aids, its there just applied differently, maybe I should play Enthusia
WarpPal 10 months ago
This guy is right...... Enthusia is way, way better than GT4, and I played GT5, and it sucks too. I think that there should be an Enthusia 2.
Tips on gameplayers.... Use the Logitech Driving Force Pro steering wheel to play enthusia. it is way better..
All rights go to Logitech for their steering wheel.
All rights go to Konami for making the best racing simulator ever. If they make another... Add crashing to it.
metalheadedmonkey797 1 year ago
@metalheadedmonkey797 That's such a crock of shit, GT5 has been said to have physics on par w/ the likes of even iRacing in most aspects and square straight up evenly w/ even every other PC sim out there, I bet you didn't even play GT5, sorry that's just such a load of ignorance right there though. GT5 is excellent, hardcore PC sim racers have been praising it up and down.
FeeLtheHertZ 1 year ago
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FeeLtheHertZ 1 year ago
@metalheadedmonkey797 Yeah man except I heard GT5 is the shit and stomps all over the competition, did you even really play GT5? Obviously not, or you wouldn't be making such stupidly ridiculous comments.
FeeLtheHertZ 1 year ago
@metalheadedmonkey797 ok look, i ve got uthin against either game, except for enthusia, no crashing, and gt5, bad crashing physics.... there, to set it all straight.....
metalheadedmonkey797 1 year ago
@metalheadedmonkey797 I've only played the GT5 demo (with its arbitrary time limit), how come you think GT5 stinks?
Ryoku75 1 year ago
yeah , i've played both of them and GT4 drifting is worse than Enthusia , but thats only past , now is GT5 ..
hanif12able 1 year ago
I RECOMEND LFS
LIVE FOR SPEED!
FUCK OFF
MUCH BETTER!
SerialVelocityLFS 1 year ago
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hanif12able 1 year ago
I will just say this, I have played through and beaten GT4 100% with every single gold trophy, every car, and all challenges complete and I loved every minute of it.
As for Enthusia, I had never even heard of it until this video, so it may be better in some areas, but if you can't get the damn thing advertised then no one will know that, and thus we ADAPT to what GT4 has.
djk7777777777 1 year ago
I think GT5(The full one,not prologue)will finally fix the major issues that have plagued GT2-GT5P.I've been reading some early hands on reviews and they have been saying that Polyphony finally got it through there thick ass heads and threw in some really good physics as far as drifting and oversteer are concerned.
(Lets just hope so)BTW,that system is this game on?I'd like to get it.
Thanks.
Kuson2 1 year ago
i'm going to get that and compare gt4 to it, coz i like gt4
FORTY848 1 year ago
@GabrielDetonator In EPR, too. But it's NOT easy, believe me.
verkorxt 1 year ago
@GabrielDetonator F*ck PGR! It sucks! And it's NOT a simulation. ...not really... Yes, it IS still one of the best. OK, it's not as good as FM3, but it's still THE best PS2 simulation of all time. Well ... this could be because no new PS2 games are published any more.
Other question: can you drive sub-compact cars, vans or off-roaders in FM3 or GT5?
verkorxt 1 year ago
@GabrielDetonator Who needs Formula 1 when you have cars like the Audi R8 or the BMW M1. It is true, Enthusia does NOT have the amount of cars, like GT, but the MUCH better variation and it handles more realistic.
verkorxt 1 year ago
Wolfe2x7 !! I bought Enthusia for 75 cents. It's absolutely fantastic. But one MAJ0R gripe..
I cannot believe it was overlooked. You know the Driving Revolution, I think ? The mode with the gate challenges. Man, they overlooked giving you the option of standard tranny. I FUCKING HATE AUT0MATIC ! Good shit, tho.
mistamontiel 1 year ago
Why would you do donuts in a racing game?
CrimzonXDevil 1 year ago
@CrimzonXDevil exactly.
TheMagicController 1 year ago
@CrimzonXDevil The possibility to do this, is what counts.
verkorxt 1 year ago
great video!
TheAudiTTfan 1 year ago
graphic is horrible like gt1 LOL
K1KO0o0 1 year ago
@K1KO0o0 You're joking, aren't you?
verkorxt 1 year ago
Forza 3 is the most realistic simulator. take of the assists, and you´ll have the time of your life playing it.
FIFA07Addicted 1 year ago
@FIFA07Addicted x2, this bunch of gt fanboys are so fucking crazy because the slogan of their game "real driving simulator" is just for merchadise purposes, and a catchy prhase hahahahaha, i would take any gt driver any time, any car, any track, thanks to forza i open my eyes, now looking forward to LFS, RFACTOR, iracing, yeah!!
jnr1989 1 year ago
@FIFA07Addicted "Forza 3 is the most realistic simulator" More so than enthusia/gt4 for sure, but "most realistic"? Theres better out there. Snag a try at Iracing if you get the chance
SidewaysGts 1 year ago
@nuoratimo agree.he is noob driver and saying gran turismo fake simulator.Enthusia is a FAKE AND NOOB AND UNREAL
esonaps 1 year ago
@ilbeytopcugizay i agree f*cking graphics
esonaps 1 year ago
Enthusia The FAKE UNREAL NOOB Driving Arcade
Gran Turismo4 The Super Real Driving Simulator
esonaps 1 year ago
@esonaps "Gran Turismo4 The Super Real Driving Simulator"
I see what you did there, lol, sarcasm :)
SidewaysGts 1 year ago
OK,have your Enthusia...have your Enthusia 700 cars,NO...have you enthusia soo much tracks,NO...have your enthusia photo mode,NO...have your enthusia open roof car,NO...have your enthusia better graphics,NO...have your enthusia great soundtrack,NO...SO STOP SPITING ON GT4...play your "Enthusia"
happycrap23 1 year ago
@happycrap23 No but it has really good gameplay from what I can tell.Who cares about cars,tracks,photo mode,this,that and blah blah blah when gameplay is sub-par?Kinda throws all your points out the window now doesn't it?
Kuson2 1 year ago
@Kuson2 If they made a Enthusia 2 I would buy it since Grand turismo 5 is coming out in what feels like 2 years.
alexlam24 1 year ago
i dont get what you're getting at with the lift off oversteer. i was always able to do a braking drift or a lift off oversteer on tarmac or dirt. i have both enthusia and gt4. and everything you claim gt4 cannot do. i have done with rwd, fwd and awd.
thing is, racing isn't about power-sliding or drifting. fastest way around a corner, is gripping.
Truenofan 1 year ago
cant stand either nemore.
Enthusia=terrible brakes, lacks any torque steer, countereteer rate on a G25 is too slow, etc. Its only oversteery because of excessive front tire grip.
GT4=wtf handling.
Kaido/TXRD2 is the only console game with reasonable physics. It beats LFS in terms of steering, since LFS has the 720 degree cars only and deadzones in past it, & it also has pretty bad tire physics.
thesecsy1 1 year ago
If i choose Enthusia or GT4 I choose both
dacarfreak2000 1 year ago
if someone get angry at this video it might be a blind GT fanboy!
Enthusia is far from perfect but it was and still is the best sim on console ever, even Forza 3 or GT5P can't beat that game!
I so agree on that Live for speed lite mention!
waider 1 year ago
GT4 Physics are good only if you are racing. Not trying to do donuts or any other crazy driving that creators of the game didn't think you would do. It shows they had no intentions of a person to drive like they are high behind the wheel.
dekoldrick 1 year ago
doughnut are fucking easy on gt4 so dont complain
acer2115 1 year ago
i can do doughnut on gt4 it f***ing easy
acer2115 1 year ago
@acer2115 Make a video!
Ryoku75 1 year ago
I big flaw of enthusia is that damn AI. Even in snow with a damn bugati eb110 it manages to find grip in incredible speeds without even oversteering a bit. It's annoying
ozilevin200 1 year ago 2
I love that wheel load/g force circle. Wish I could find a plugin for rfactor for that.
theangrygimp 1 year ago
this was a great game, i tough it was superior to GT4, and it is, they need to do Enthusia 2
dinizgames 1 year ago
Biggest issue with Enthusia's physics engine is rampant oversteer on any RWD model. It's beyond unrealistic in RWD grip when the power comes on. It makes them damn near undrivable with a DS2 controller.
philyt 2 years ago 2
I must agree it is a bit tricky on a Dualshock 2, but I'm sure a wheel could help.
AWDfreak 2 years ago
That's true, but when you use it with a G25, oversteer feels great and very realistic.
Physics in Enthusia are up there with LFS. If Enthusia had better force feedback and clutch support for the G25, I would never get off it. It's a shame there was never a sequel
Bekimche01 1 year ago
@philyt Thats reality. Driving a REAL car with a game controller is not an easy task. Most people who play hardcore simulations have steering wheels. You can get a cheap one for $50 or less, and a great one for $150 or less, new. If your not willing to spend a little more for a wheel, then your not willing to put the effort required into a hardcore sim. Just play your "game" with sim elements, and enjoy it. Stop acting like it has to be the best in realism to have fun.
theangrygimp 1 year ago
@theangrygimp You're shitty attitude is funny. You're taking this game, and my comment way too seriously. This is not even a hardcore SIM, so get off that high-horse as well.
And no, the real life versions of these cars do not handle anywhere near the same as they do in the game. There's more than a few cars in Enthusia's lineup that I've had hand-on experience with. This is not reality.
philyt 1 year ago
@philyt I wasn't commenting on the game, I was commenting on your remark that it was too difficult to control with a dual shock controller. A REAL LIFE car would be very difficult to control accurately with a gamepad. You took my comment way out of context. I have never even played enthusia, I don't even have a PS2 anymore. But I know enough people who praise what it was for its time, who raced in real life with me on track days. Maybe you should understand the comment before replying.
theangrygimp 1 year ago
@theangrygimp Then how can you even begin to comment on the game if you've never experienced the physics model?
"iggest issue with Enthusia's physics engine is rampant oversteer on any RWD model. It's beyond unrealistic in RWD grip when the power comes on"
philyt 1 year ago
@philyt I would hope, that any physics model that calls itself even a little realistic, would give oversteer on rwd cars when you go from 0 to 100% throttle in a button press. That is reality, if you floored a real car, that would happen. I personally know people who raced with me on actual track days, who's judgment I trust, also enjoyed playing on enthusia with a wheel. Since my PS3 doesn't play PS2 games, I'll take their word (and the many comparison vid's/articles) on the physics comparison.
theangrygimp 1 year ago
@philyt Do you drive the real life versions as you would in the game? Not many people have the balls to. Its not fair to make that comment unless you actually do. Also if you drive in the game as you would in real life, you'd find it's pretty close.
monkeypainter808 1 year ago
@monkeypainter808 I assure you Enthusia's physics are no where close to a simulation. Go drive the Astrovan and tell me you can do that with the real thing.
philyt 1 year ago
@philyt any where close to a simulation? Well enthusia is very satisfying to me as far as comparing it to real life goes. Nerding out on a sim is cool and all, but I love to drive. When it comes to exploring possibilities or trying to dissect a technique or situations that occurred IRL, enthusia lets me do it satisfyingly close enough with enough car and track variety, without all the fiddling of a sim. As for the astro, who cares? Its an astro.
monkeypainter808 1 year ago
@monkeypainter808 My Astrovan annihilates a good majority of the supercars in that game, and was competitive while stock against a boat load of other typical sports cars. If that's a simulator, then holy shit iRacing, LFS, and rFactor have it all wrong.
philyt 1 year ago
@philyt If "your" astro van keeps you from enjoying the game then IDK what to tell you.
monkeypainter808 1 year ago
@monkeypainter808 If you find this a quality simulator, then I don't know what to tell you either.
philyt 1 year ago
@philyt cool story bro. Ima go DRIVE in real life.
monkeypainter808 1 year ago
not tryna be a dick. But turning people off of the game just cause you like to sim is lame. Its a great game for people who love to drive, but don't get a boner off of technical nuances. Enthusia is a good game, and is pretty realistic without going full, hardcore nerd. Cheap too.
monkeypainter808 1 year ago
As Enthusia was a good sim for PS2, so was GT4. Both are good in terms of physics, but not great.
As for tire physics being off, just try driving one of the oldest cars in GT4, like the Benz patent motorwagen. Although those glitches might just be problems with the tire model itself, still goes to show.
Since the PS3 is lots more powerful I'm expecting GT5 to win in the physics department.
psf1busta 2 years ago 2
Hilarous how the GT4 fanboys are still hatin' on this video XD
He has already established that GT4 is inferior in terms of physics, and yet, people still try to defend GT4...
You guys, GT5P is a great improvement over GT4 in terms of physics. Played GT5P and was pleasantly surprised.
AWDfreak 2 years ago 10
Hmm yeah Im a GT4 fan and i dont really like enthusia but what is wrong With Kazunori san?
racermoments2508 2 years ago
Nothing is wrong with the guy. Hell, he inspired the creators of Forza Motorsport to make their game!
It's just that GT4's physics are so disappointing. This video proves it. And I drive in real life and KNOW that the physics on GT4 just aren't realistic. Enthusia Professional Racing CLEARLY has better physics.
To tell you the truth, I would much prefer GT4's format (very easy and fun to use, great menu music) with Enthusia's handling and amazing music (go look up nurburgring suite).
AWDfreak 2 years ago
Hmm.. okay that's weird because that GT4 is a better simulator although enthusia has a different variety of cars like The SZ.
racermoments2508 2 years ago
That what fanboys do, no matter how many times someone has good proof that something is inferior, the fanboys will just keep saying 'their' one is better. Same thing with this whole PS3 vs Xbox shit, both have good points, and bad points.
I might have to try GT5, have really hated the GT series and GT5 will have to have done some massive work in the physics department to even get me interested in it.
Bigrtftw 2 years ago
@AWDfreak Indeed, and GT5 Time Trial Demo was made to prove that the game was realist, by taking the players with the best times to a real track to drive the same cars that were in the time trial, and it was proven right.
UnforgivenSoulsBand 1 year ago
yeah every game has earned their existence, even it's "bad" some people might still like it.
games are for fun, not for being "better" in any way.
Sampyla20plus 2 years ago
Sorry, but I just cannot be not commenting, your speed with oversteer/understeer factor is over 100km/h, and if you know ANYTHING about real physics or real driving, you would know you would HIT the wall with those speeds you actually go there (with mustang '66 for sure) sorry, but you think Enthusia is realistic because it handles nicer than GT ? :P Go buy '66 mustang, drift with it at those speeds and see for yourself.... Dont blame me if you get killed :)
Sampyla20plus 2 years ago
yes that was awesome piece of thinking. enthusia is really good, but is still think that gt4 is more realistic especially drifting (on wheel). for me these 2 games are the best titles for ps2 racing fans. and i dont know why author of this movie is comparing those games. of course he can compare gt3 with gt4 but not the 2 other games.
darkLFS 2 years ago
I have to agree, Enthusia is very arcadish in that sense, although it's only a matter of scaling to get a more accurate simulation. The physics rules emphasized in this video are nice, but not applied properly to the car.
psf1busta 2 years ago
My only problem with Enthusia is the fact that you start out racing bland econo cars and the AI leaves a LOT to be desired, but so does GT4.
Basically, they stick to their racing lines, and that means getting a tap from behind that makes up for a very annoying race.
malakius 2 years ago
Enthusia will be made for the next generation consoles PS3, X360 ...
It seems like a good game, but the GT series already has a history and will not be tainted by this error the team that produced a detail of the cars with rear-wheel drive ...
I'll play it as much as Forza, Gran Turismo and the like ...
andersonalvino 2 years ago
I watched your videos a while back and decided to dust off my copy of enthusia and play through it. The most profound thing I found while playing it was thatthere was a HUGE difference in the handling in AWD cars that had the engine located differently. For example I was able to drift all day for free in the inpreza with little risk and when I switched to the Turbo R I was barly able to control it due to the seemingly random oversteer(I had to learn about how RR cars responded to Braking etc...
Maxpound 2 years ago
Now that I learned how Rear engined cars responds to braking and accelerating I find that not only is it rewarding in its own right but Enthusia is the only console game that really differentiates rear AWD from other AWD cars.
Maxpound 2 years ago
ohh aculey wheelspin dose work in gt4........and donuts do work and gt4........and please get a life *no offence* and stop making videos on wicth game is better..there both good games ok? ppl like what they like...i prefer gta4 because if i hadent played like gt1 gt2 gt3 gt4 and all that then i proberly wouldent have a chance of getting sponserded by redbull like how i might next week.......
rocooak 2 years ago
Oh, he should get the life you have? You mean the one you supposedly have being sponsored by red bull because you're some couch potato who can play a few games, yet have nothing better to do than ponder around youtube? If you don't like his video's don't freakin' watch them. Everybody wins...
AbCdEfGnEwS 2 years ago 3
i prefer kaido 3/TXRD2's physics. best of both worlds(awesome tuning and physics). enthusia lacks high speed traction loss, brake/tire wear, etc. less sensitive to elevation changes. all cars still have abs feel, and lack of ability to tune them just doesn't make the game better. Still pretty good in it's own ways and beats TXRD2 in some departments. Enthusia had the worst career mode of any driving game.
thesecsy1 2 years ago
If it were easier, it would've been more popular. No shit.
But if you wanna race realistically, then go race IRL.
I wanna play a game for entertainment, I don't intend to be LEARNING from these things, so I'll stick to Forza 2.
RudojiLape 2 years ago
No offence, but IRL racing is expensive. I'd like to race IRL but simply can't afford it. I mean just buying tyres costs A LOT of money, then the car and making it a race car. And take a guess how much a single crash with a flip or two costs to you? New, seats, helmets, lot's of bodywork and maybe even straightening the body. So ask your some local racer for yearly costs and then wonder why some of us like to play accurate simulations. Even maintaining a street car with 400hp and racing it costs
Silentalarma 2 years ago
So what does that mean?
Solution: Beggars can't be Choosers >3
RudojiLape 2 years ago
@RudojiLape Yeah, hitting a 10,000€/year only on tyres is pretty much money for most of people to pay alone. Ofcourse sponsors are a big help but first you got to get some name and reputation to get good sponsors. Not all of us are like that Arabian driver on Ford WRC rally team. They got big sponsor contract from Abu Dhabi and in exchange some arabian guy shows up in WRC scene who is almost the slowest one around on one of the most fastest WRC cars available. Even private teams kick his butt
Silentalarma 2 years ago
Descupa aee mas o GT4 ainda é o the best!!!
lpbonci 2 years ago 5
Apoiado parceiro!
mitsukill 2 years ago
YO WOLFE! I dunno if you remember me, but I seem to recall your name as the person I had time attack with on Dragon Range back then.
And very nice video, don't mind these douchebags, I actually agree with you with everything. I tried Live for Speed back then and it feels identical to Enthusia aswell. Keep it up man!
garougt 2 years ago
its to expensive
Z987654321CKM 2 years ago
why not just buy a real car and go to a track day?
cansiz79 2 years ago 2
because video games are fun
also people who play video games that have to do with a particular profession sometimes get interested in what's behind it more than if they hadn't played, see Guitar Hero and kids learning how to play guitar more frequently
literalgameboy 2 years ago
Donuts work within GT4 for me, not Enthusia!!! Enthusia sucks!!!
vrroomvroomcars188 2 years ago 2
@vrroomvroomcars188 agree
esonaps 1 year ago
Nive video, but now with GT5P this game does not compare anymore.. but heck, it looks better then forza 2 physics
NoxNoctisUmbra 2 years ago 2
I ordered this game recently, when I first looked at the graphics and read the description, I was really excited and ordered the game, however god punishing me right now, there is a mail strike around my area and I wouldn't get my package for a while... I dunno what words I could use to describe my situation, however I would kill anyone or anything to get my hands on this game.
The video gets me more excited with the realistic features.. it's raising my 'kill anyone for the game meter'.
alwayscococolaable 2 years ago
get a life
xStalkerxx 2 years ago 2
.......lol
alwayscococolaable 2 years ago
This game is very underrated. fanboys often brag GT4 and Forza that when this game is really a Gran Turismo trainer...meaning when I played this game, I got better at Gran Turismo 4
superallye 2 years ago
sorry but enthusia is a sad game. the speedometer is not even accurate. if i am going 0 mph why do i still continue to rocket into a wall? RWD cars are un-playable. i have to use a jaguar with both of the driving assistants on for this game to be enjoyable. the point system is ridiculous aswell. why do i lose points when an AI driver hits me? why do AI's never crash? there is no customization involved in the game.. and it takes 7 days to switch cars? riiight. enthusia sucks balls. forza ftw
xRaGxproductionsx 2 years ago
If you're pounding the brakes, all wheels lock up, which results in the speedo reading 0. Speedo's read from the tires/tranny, not black magic.
I've been developing content and coding physics based on real-world data for real racing simulators for over 10 years, so I'm a little more qualified to make these assessments than any of you kids.
Go ahead, delude yourself all you want, but Forza and GT are ARCADE games, not simulators. Are they fun? Sure. Realistic? Absolutely not.
xilix 2 years ago
okay.. why doesn't enthusia have an ABS assist option?
the thing is, enthusia's physics and gameplay concepts look good on paper, but they're terrible ingame. if it is as realistic as it claims, then i am dreading the first day i have to get behind the wheel of a real car. i bought an xbox360 literally the day after i made that comment. forza has an interesting feature called CUSTOMIZATION. and forza is an arcade game? last time i checked enthusia has the most basic arcade style level system.
xRaGxproductionsx 2 years ago
Nope.
striderhiryu201 2 years ago
ABS Option? It depends on the car, 34's have it and you feel it when you break and turn. The 86's on the other hand don't (just like in real life).
Enthusia has the most basic arcade style level system? What xilix meant is that Forza and GT4 have arcade "PHYSICS", they're not even near sim as LFS. And if you didn't know, Enthusia actually has "CUSTOMIZATION" aswell. You can adjust the limited slip differential and you can add horse power and powerful grip tires and many more.
garougt 2 years ago
So if Forza and GT ar arcade to you, and you aren't making it better, you must be bad at your job LOL
Madracer1000 2 years ago
"if you let off the steering the car will keep spinning" that will happen in need for speed most wanted. how can gt4 be that unrealistic?
venomviper32 2 years ago
"but it certainly hits most of the areas GT4 is lacking in"
Specially on the car list!
The 206 WRC is an example, Polyphony added this car for the first time on GT2, same year the car came out, then on GT3, I was waiting to see the 2001 version, but ok.
And then, GT4 has the SAME car? c'mon! UPDATE!
Enthusia, on the other hand, has more recent cars.
I love Gran Turismo, but damn! update the car list more often!
DekoWolf76 2 years ago
But if you hit the wall doing a donut in real life, you wouldn't be able to keep goin in that same donut, you would have to start over.
Driftkrazy 2 years ago
wow, Nordschleife in dawn is just awesome!
ReactTeamSession 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I think that Burnout revenge is the most realistic simulator ever! I made a donut in it! Man this is just lame :D Your comparing games as simulations, if you wan't reality try rfactor or iRacing...
AceWip3 2 years ago
The tracks are awfully flat though and I'd sooner disrespect the physics than disrespect Nurburgring as being flat
LitterboxDiorama 2 years ago
GT$ has lift off over steer and braking over steer....
red912e 3 years ago 4
right on target
Nopiw 3 years ago
get rfactor. It feels way better than this.
weallfollowmanutd 3 years ago
gt4 is better than Enthusia
pablo0991 3 years ago
If you've ever driven Enthusia and know what a real car handles like, you'll never switch back to GT4 because it feels so damn unrealistic. Without doubt GT4's gameplay is better though, so if you're not that much of a realism freak you won't like Enthusia better.
dahuz795 3 years ago 9
i own gt4 and i LOVE IT!
but yes i miss some basic features that a car should have,like wheel spinn and so on...
but gt4 has many cars and tracks,not to mention the grafic
in someways i love my gt4,but in some other ways i would love this game too
but who cares,gt4 is funn anyway^^
Alexandru017 3 years ago 2
PLZ somebody can tell me how to beat the game or get to the #1 ranking, i've been playing this game for a while and now im #534 i cant get any better, i race with a ford GT and do the first races of the week ( wich gives you more points and are more dificult ) without crashing and going off the track, and sometimes after the race my ranking number goes to #550; i dunno how to get any better
ivanRq92 3 years ago
lfs is the best simulator ever !!!
try it !!!
piipiitoox 3 years ago
I LOVE LFS!
XRacer6 2 years ago
i LIKE THe part where you demo the 3 things gt4 don't have! credible
hokman1 3 years ago 2
GT4 doesn't do this, GT4 doesn't do that... wow... someone sure does have a grudge against Gran Turismo... I personally find Gran Turismo much more FUN to play... didn't say more accurate in real life - because we all play for fun.... well most of us. Honestly, I've never actually heard of this game before, it looks kinda interesting. Is Nurburgring always that gloomy in this game? Lol
mariomanlite 3 years ago
i like both of them, but for different reasons. i use logitech gt pro steering wheel. enthusia has a very well sorted handling,but lacks feel in the steering (it's woolen if u like). gt4 has a very conected feel. u feel all the bumps and exactly what rear is doing, and the handling feels far more indepth with the wheel than with the pad. in short enthusia: slight edge on phisics, gt4: considerable edge on steering feedback.
turboturtle73 3 years ago
I agree, Enthusia's force feedback is inferior to GT4's, but without a decent driving model to go along with it, GT4's force feedback is like an empty ice cream cone. I can't stand to play Enthusia with a wheel, but I can't stand to play GT4, period.
Wolfe2x7 3 years ago
what wheel are you using?
turboturtle73 3 years ago
I have a G25, and had a DFP before that. I really only use it for Live for Speed and other PC games.
Wolfe2x7 3 years ago
i'm a little confused by the wheels' names as i think they are released under different ones in different countries. g25 has 3 pedals, right? have you tried different tyres avaliable? if not, try the hardest from road tyres. it is actually fun. back to enthusia, don't get me wrong, i like the game, and i do think that phisics are superior, however the problem lies (for me) in the silky smooth surfaces of the tracks. it creates a feeling of detachment. i also prefer more quantifiable tuning.
turboturtle73 3 years ago
forza 2 on xbox360 has best drift
subangelism 3 years ago
whats the most realistic driving game??
let me no plz thx
hallal55 3 years ago
Many people complain about GT4 cars cannot drift cause it always understeer, and they complain that the GT4 cars act like a train or something... Maybe this people doesn't bother look at the car settings and doesn't notice that there's a so called DRIVING AIDS that prevents them to oversteer, understeer and even wheel spins!!! this AIDS do some minimum brake on the wheels that really prevents the car to do oversteers... If you shut of this AIDS you may feel that GT4 is harder to play... peace!
LethalTube99 3 years ago
Sure it have aid's but even with it's turned off - car still have too much understeer - unlike real car do ;)
AK3Drifter 2 years ago
erm! I think forza motor sport will kick ass all racing games
Supralover79 3 years ago
3 words LIVE FOR SPEED. AMAZING PHYSICS Supralover also GT5 (THE REAL ONE) not proluogue if your interested in driving sims.
XRacer6 3 years ago
I didn't understand your reply.. sry :S
Supralover79 3 years ago
Theres nothing to understand, lol im just suggesting other good sims to you =]
XRacer6 3 years ago
ohh ya ya xD
Supralover79 3 years ago
haha XD
XRacer6 3 years ago
very good video. this game sat on my shelf for a long time because i hated it at first. it was to hard. then one day i had nothing else better to do and decided to give it another try. after getting through all of the slow cars i realized how awesome it is. i tried playing gt the other day and i HATED it. used to love that game, not i can't play any other racing games.
boostedlegacy87 3 years ago
This game looks awesome!
SneakieBillTV 3 years ago
the sad part of gt4 is that in nfs most wanted donuts actually work, and they will still keep spinning if you let go of the steering. you actually get more feel for the car and unlike every simulator ive ever played the visuals and sound arent cheesy versions of the original. seriously why do simulators always eature robotic looking cars with fake sound and less feel?
venomviper32 3 years ago
um honestly if anyone is talking crap about this game then they gotta get their crap together. This game is very accurate. I can't stand GT4. The GT games might be cool to a lot of people but honestly I'd rate Enthusia over all of them....put together. All the cars in this game that I've driven in real life actually handle just like in the game.
Tevolo52 3 years ago
ur talking out ur ass ive played nd completed both if u knew anythin bout driftin ud know if u tried 2 keep ur ft down ud spin out nd as 4 ur vid on gt4 being fake ive been to the nurburgring if u tried to go round the 1st corner at 91mph as u tried ud be 6ft under u get a stock skyline round there on gt4 in under 7mins 34secs then u can talk bout gt4 tosser
madmandriftking 3 years ago
Is your keyboard broken?
Thanks for the advice on the Nurburgring, but I was going 91 km/h.
Wolfe2x7 3 years ago
Now I really really want to play this game. I remember the E305 trailer (and just watched it) and got really excited but never played it. :(
SpartanGuy 3 years ago
I am a GT fan. And as I made in a recent video, Enthusia is hellishly underrated. like this was some Gran Turismo wannabe to most people. If anything, I'd rather rally in this game than the GT series because of its lovely driving dynamics. I still love the GT series, but Enthusia is an absolutely surprising and enticing game. Great explanation of everything.
JohnMarineTube 3 years ago
im better than you to enthusia.. ut great driving anyway..
sorenhammel 3 years ago
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3 secrets: gay, gayer, and gayest. you suck and this game sucks. and thats SO realistic when youre doing donuts in place but it says youre goin 51 mph. HA! this game is a joke and GT4 blows it away
NinjaTurkey14 3 years ago
Yeah, the speedometer couldn't possibly be referring to the speed the wheels are spinning at. And the speedometer is the best measure of a game's worth.
Wolfe2x7 3 years ago
dude you have no idea what ur talkin about and these are the only games you probably play. why dont you pick up call of duty or mortal kombat or something else. these games get old after a while
NinjaTurkey14 3 years ago
And you probably don't eat enough fruits and vegetables. Why don't you pick up some apples and carrots from the market, or something else? Fast food gets old after a while.
Wolfe2x7 3 years ago
its cus your an idiot and you know nothing about cars. 51 mph is kinda how fast the wheels are spinning, just like how it works in a REAL CAR
stupidlambo 3 years ago 2
I think i will buy this to comparate
both of them and see what's better
pedinhuh16 3 years ago
omg you can do donuts thats so useful in a racing game seriously some of the points your making are just and if you blast round a banked corner in a low le mans car in gt4 and ease off the throttle the car rear end comes out all of a sudden in enthusia it wont do that and alos those secrets and actually secrets so get your facts right oh and the suspension in gt4 isnt lifeless its because your comparing the wrong car its a fact the shelby had stiffened suspension
michaelcort83 3 years ago
corrections
*points your making are just stupid
*alos=also
*those secrets arent actually secets there just tips...
michaelcort83 3 years ago
i just wanna know how the hell u lapped the nurburgrung in 3:15
the Zr1 did it in 7:25
my nsx (in game) did it in 8:30
u got 3:15 in a stang, hows that possible???!!
crazyviolent69 3 years ago
Enthusia allows you to run a time attack of one section of a track. I chose the first section, and after the donuts and everything else, that was my time.
Wolfe2x7 3 years ago
I played the mazda 787b on GT4 and the mazda 787B on enthusia and i got to say that the mazda 787B made by enthusia is more realistic when it comes in the sound of the engine.
nfdids 3 years ago
¬_¬ he states that the game isn't easy at 2:37 and then contradicts himself at 5:36.
If enthusia allows oversteer with no spin outs then what exactly is hard about it? and by the way GT4 does have accel. off oversteer, you just probably had a wide transmission setting as opposed to a close one needed to induce engine braking. And it also has braking oversteer, for that you have to tinker with the brake balance controller.I will admit that i haven't experienced downshift drifts.
shadowIbunny 3 years ago