Your baseless assertions that life needed an all powerful, all knowing, and all benevolent deity is ridiculous.
So I'm going to go ahead and assume you accept the fact this God is the God of the Bible.
So let me ask you something, what's more likely that the laws of nature should be broken or that men would tell a lie?
Of course I refer to the "miracles" performed by Jesus in the Bible that suspend the laws of nature. Oh that's right God can do anything. Your so child like.
@metalsusa1 ..Such claims (very) regularly do get sent for pier review... literally dozens a month. Every few years something with a creationist paragraph buried in it sneaks through.
@neverfearchrisishere I know creationists have their own version of peer review. Can you sight one science journal submitted to the National Academy of Sciences peer review process by a creationist scientist that legitimately got published?
@CovertFrog Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!
Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!
The probability of life developing from a chance combination of molecules is equal to 10
-255 (Populated Space / Edited by V.D.Penelis. Moscow, 1972). The probability of a DNA molecule appearing by chance is 10 -80,038 (V. I. Kura-shov, Y. I. Soloviev. On the Problem of ―Reducing‖ Chemistry to Physics //Questions of philoso-phy. 1984. No. 6. p. 96)]?
@Pilgrim1411 Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!
Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!
@Pilgrim1411 The problem with those meaningless numbers is that biochemical reactions are not chance. Calculate the odds of a stone hitting the ground by chance, and you'll realize why your numbers are irrelevant.
@CovertFrog When doing this Muslims tried to infiltrate the eastern Christian church to take it over, then they were going to attack the western church. They have always been set on world domination. And if you look over in the middle east there are Christians who are being killed for their faith, and all the churches have been destroyed. Muslims and radicals are blood thirsty, Christians are not. We do not fly planes into towers. I will watch the rest of it later, the holiday.
@CovertFrog Through it yet. I think it's interesting how the 3 of the 4 Atheist horsemen bring up the Taliban. In my pre-Christian days I used to watch Family Guy, I don't know if you do, but there was one episode where Lois was running for Senator or something. And all she had to do is say "9-11" and the crowd went crazy. That's what it reminded me of, Muslims are not Christians, as a matter of fact when the church had a great schism part of the church departed to the east. P2...
@CovertFrog As far as how old the earth is...don't know, that's not my focal point here. When you're talking about evolution, which one? Micro or Macro? Adam and Eve? Yes, I do believe we came from their line, if not then how did we get here? Noah and the flood...of course. Not just by biblical standards but also early church history. This comment might take 2 parts so I apologize. I watched a little bit of the William Lane Craig and Sam Harris debate, I didn't get all the way ..P1
@CovertFrog I can tell you're happy and joy-filled.....anyway. So, how am I ignorant? because I don't believe what you believe? That's pretty closed minded. I will check out Sam Harris. Now when I gave you all the info on creation.. all my info is wrong...and all your info is right? Then you call me abusive??? Who doing the cussing and name calling here? Once again I will repeat myself AGAIN...I didn't know the peer testing. And we never discussed how old the earth was, you need to be nice.
@bodom71 Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!
Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!
@CovertFrog Who me? Nope I am a happy, joy-filled Christian. The only reason that I had a bit of an attitude with you is because I believe in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do to you. I was just treating you the way you were treating me, I'm a Christian...not a door mat!! And I really find it arrogant of most Atheists(not all) to call us morons. But, actually I'm a nice guy and I hate talking to people like that but if I have a point I say it. Did you watch the debate?
@CovertFrog Apparently, I have to get Crayons and draw pictures, let me repeat myself. I don't mix science with faith, I have nothing against science it's a wonderful thing, but don't think every question will be answered with science. As for the peer testing I don't know, but I did give info and names. Plus, there is a debate on Evolution/ creation with those 2 scientists on you tube. On the Michael Coren show, they can answer that better. At least the Evolutionist is not a angry, atheist troll
What he's talking about is minimal gene concept. Also, I think you need to check your scientific stats because The discovery Institute list 3 full pages of credited biologists who profess a belief in Creationism. Look at Dr. Laurence Tisdale the President of creation science association Quebec. What you find might be interesting, if you want to talk creation. I try not to confuse science with faith, Jason Wiles from the Evolution education center says"A belief in God or no God isn't science".
@CovertFrog No, I've seen a lot of the bunk. They get a lot of their personal belief from Richard Dawkins and other people who have no idea what Christianity is all about. I look at both angles, what I don't do is try to disprove something I don't even believe in. I don't believe in Santa Claus...but, also I don't whine about what he didn't give me for Christmas. I've tried to understand where Atheists are coming from...I can't because what they THINK is erroneous!! It's all personal.
@CovertFrog No, I'm saying I don't want any remarks by an intellectual.....if you want to call it that, with a hate crime against Christianity. I didn't say all were...You should really read these comments better. And as for avoiding my question, that's what I thought!!! My fragile worldview...Christianity isn't for wimps!! What you're placing here is personal vendetta, it has nothing to do with the past.
@CovertFrog O.K So what was the history to make it non-credible? Where did you look? And do not include any document from some "intellectual", who is promoting a hate crime on Christians.
@CovertFrog Oh my goodness!! The Bible has been proven a worthy and historical document over and over again. You just simply will not look at the facts because you don't want to, Atheism is defined this way; I don't like old documents; ie, Shakespeare, Plato, and The Declaration of Independence... you all those bronze documents,(despite the year), I'm spiritually lazy so this means I will believe anything other than the Bible, which leaves me open for anything, And I just don't want to! Right?
@CovertFrog But, isn't it out of ignorance that you Atheists use that excuse? The word Chist-ian means Christ-like. We are supposed to be Jesus for a dying world. The Christian faith was started by Jesus and the Apostles.all other cults that call themselves "Christians"; Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons so on, have extra books that are read in unison with the Bible, actually they read that book that was created by a confused man more than the Bible. Jesus warns us against that, They are NOT Christians
i find it interesting that people can't come up with any evidence at all. Their argument is based off of personal attacks and illogical statements. I'm a Christian, and every atheist that I've ever talked to has never had any evidence EITHER. You can't prove Christianity wrong, so you focus on the person sending the message by calling them names and mocking them. Come up with a RESPECTABLE argument, LISTEN and THINK about the other argument instead of condemning it on the spot.
@CovertFrog I thoroughly enjoy your insults to one degree but to the other I have nothing but sheer pity for you. That is the big lie right there. "Enjoy the one life you have." So do what ever you wicked selfish heart desires. If the world was full of selfish people with that philosophy the world would fall apart, as it is today. What will you do until your final day on earth? It is written," Will a man gain the whole world and loose his soul?" or "What price will a man pay to gain his soul?"
@CovertFrog By the way. How did I know how you were to respond in you next comment? Must be magic? Or maybe yourf ways of foolishness are foretold by scripture. You cannot have a serious dialog because it causes you to go mad so you do the only thing you can do, is lash out. You have no real questions nor do you have any answers. You wouldn't know what truth was if it flew into your eye. You have no desire for the truth only your opinion. And you will go to the gave with it in pride.
@CovertFrog And no matter who is right in their beliefs, me or you, YOUR words are still nothing but chaff in the wind for endless time to swallow up. And so is your life and your selfish self-employed purpose in life, if you have one. There was one little thing about hell that I didn't share with you that I learned afterward. There is no glory in hell. If you were to have a friend or a family member who was forgiven and brought back in union with their redeemer, they would forget everything you
@CovertFrog Here I am testifying to you my experience in hell and your telling me to join a man made cult that doesn't believe in hell... How can you not see your delusion? Yes, I know, next your going to tell me that I'm the one that has a deluded mind and heart. And then your going to add in some internet acronyms like LMAO, and you will probably also want to add one or two F words in there to. Combining that all with an insult. Surprise me...
@CovertFrog Unfortunately no one has ever preached more about the punishment for Sin and hell then Jesus the Christ. I wonder, would you tell an astronaut to live with a tribe of people that didn't believe in outer-space? If you are left to your pride alone then you will die in your sins. As Jesus said," Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." For there is no other name on earth that we are given to be saved by the forgiveness of our sins. God is not required to save anyone.
@CovertFrog Turn away from Sin while you can. Call on the name of God and you shall be forgiven. Live in your pride and you shall be judged. As Jesus once said, “If you were blind you would be innocent, but because you profess to see you will then be held to the measure of light you have been given.”
@CovertFrog There I was back in my room with my wife. And my lips were still burning. Some people I hear get visions of heaven but I praise God for what he has shown me. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone evil or not. But this is a Judgment that belongs to the righteous one, the Lamb of God.
@CovertFrog That night in my room I was brought in a flash to hell. For a short moment that one could blink. I came to know what hell fire was. It was like a great blast of fire with a sound so loud it would rumble your insides. It incased me and I could not move. But the worst thing of all was that I felt such a despair of emptiness and the horror of the eternal set in. I wanted to scream from the shear fear but before I could open my mouth it was all over.
@CovertFrog As for hell and its existence, I’ve been there a few weeks ago. I tell you the truth, that one day as I was contemplating this new life I have been given. I soon realized that the path I should walk would be to difficult and I would stumble and in my failure I would give disgrace to my God whom I love. So I secretly decided that instead of failing while carrying the name of Yahweh that I would give up and except hell as a punishment.
@CovertFrog Such curses you have pronounced upon me?.. The innards of your heart's desires lay bare and open. I never said that I know the full counsel of the living God. We only know what He has revealed to the world. For it is written, "The secret things belong to the Lord but what he revels belongs to us and our children." It is not wise to be led by your own understanding and the wickedness of ones heart as you are doing. It also says, "The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?"
@CovertFrog Do you know anything? Or do you just let that blackend heart of your just control your every thought. Man, I knew the bible said that man was evil but I didn't think they were that evil. Then again I was just like you less than a year ago. God would have been just to send me to hell just like he would be just to do the same to you right now. Did that hit a soft spot?
@CovertFrog HAHA! Can you please cite the verse were God tells Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter. Because the whole sacrifice thing was instigated by a fallible man like yourself and not an infallible eternal Being such as Yahweh. Go ahead cite the verse in context. I dare you. I think you just hate God because He has set the law inside your heart and you know it. How many times have you gone against your own conscience? Man, judgment day is not looking good for you.
@CovertFrog "dont need a fucking god to do good" This is my point- you cannot define good as morally good (only proactive + for a cause) you cant claim to be a good person for doing those things nor can you claim someone is bad for not doing them. Stop living like a moral Absolutist, its hypocritical of you to do so. It is the measurement from God which defines absolute morals. btw no-one claimed to have a monopoly on anything, moreover, your profanity explains a lot about your character.
@CovertFrog lol when was the last time you were in a lab trying to cure cancer? when was the last time you worked in a homeless shelter? When were you going to the deepest parts of poverty in the world and feeding the starving. Please dont give me a speech on doing good - its hypocritical from you.
"You said that like I give a fuck about what fucktards think" After several (emotionally charged) comments from you and the fact you watched this video (and probably more) you clearly do care.
@CovertFrog "Howszat".... completely predictable, nice way to show your true colours. This type of comment ruins your intellectual premise which you claim you posses and try strip from others.... completely lack of empathy from your side too.
@CovertFrog Your position with moral relativism very shaky indeed. As i said before, you cant condemn anyone for any immoral actions because you're "morality" is based on relativism (no firm right or wrong). So are you going to live by your moral relativistic view and apologize to anyone you have hypocritically condemned? or will you carry on living a against the world view in which you boast of its moral superiority (ironically)? I await you reply (filled with ad-hominem attacks i suspect)
@CovertFrog You also seem to find fault with a God who desires that people should keep their word. As tragic as it was, it was Jephthah's own fault that his daughter died and not God's. You can't be making stupid promises like that to an Almighty Being like Yahweh. But you just miss that point didn't you. I don't have any desire to teach some spiritually bankrupt God hating rebel about the word of a God he hates. So lets just conclude you don't know squat about it. Before you get embarrassed.
@CovertFrog I must thank you again. It's like every time you speak my faith just seems to becomes greater. You once again have shown you know nothing about God or Scripture. What dose Sunday the first day of the week have anything to do with the sabbath? You must of skipped of the part were it said that the seventh day was the Holy day. You obviously don't know a thing about the bible. You seem to try to find fault with the God who gives life and has the right to take it back from evil people.
@CovertFrog I will look forward to your next filthy comment. It seems that's all you have is hatred for anyone that tells you that there is a God who gives life and takes it away. He own this world and there is nothing any created being can do about that, except lash out like you are doing. I love it when scripture is right all the time.
@CovertFrog Thank you very much CovertFrog. I appreciate your last comment proving my point about your tongue. It's only a reflection of what is truly in your heart. You should turn from your ways of pride. Your atheist world view gives no room for objective morals leaving everyone who believes in it the strong possibility of acting like the animals they think they evolved from. You will be held accountable for everything you have said and done in your life. I'm sorry if that's to hard for you.
@CovertFrog Thank you for pointing out what Jesus said. I would have never seen that. Boy! you sure are smart. Can you give me your address so I can send you a box of cookies for explaining the scriptures for me?lol! Actually this video explains what that all means. Which I think is pretty obvious but since you can't see that then what makes you think you know anything?
watch?v=5JQOBMi4QS8&feature=relmfu
By the way I wouldn't kiss the dog with a filthy mouth like yours.
@CovertFrog Im am surprised tbh, Your lack of living out your world view is completely hypocritical, you make it even worse by condemning others when your world view states "there is no absolute right and wrong" then you condemn a Christians world view on subjects you clearly have not studied or understood. You dont even understand the term "slavery" as Chriscoolguy15 explained. Moreover you feel like your world view is the majority (false). You are indeed very deluded.
@CovertFrog again you miss the point, as moral relativist, you cant be any more moral or less moral than anyone. you have to respect and accept all versions of morals regardless whether you agree with them. you cant claim anything to be "evil" but just negative in your view.
"I guess that makes me more moral than you" This goes against your world view, either you are wrong or you were lying when you said you are a moral relativist, if you were lying, where do you get your moral absolutes from?
@CovertFrog "Everyone is a moral relativist" Im not,neither is any Christian, or the majority of any religious people (around 65-80% of the population). Moreover "leads nicely to divine command, a wonderful excuse to burn witches, stone homosexuals, leads nicely to divine command, a wonderful excuse to burn witches, stone homosexuals... " as a moral relativist you have to say and accept all those things as ok because your moral grounds are relative. Thanks for answering the question
@CovertFrog not flattering myself at all. Btw are you going to dodge the question for a third time? or are you going to get all touchy and respond with silly comments about MRI scanners and probes?
Are you a moral relativist? if so then you have no grounds which to declare yourself more moral than anyone?
Or are you amoral absolutist? If so then, where do you get your moral absolutes from?
If you feel like throwing more insults at me then dont waste your time, it just makes you look silly.
@CovertFrog lol i guess i touched a nerve there. However, ironically, you still try and take the "moral" high ground.... but you are a moral relativist... there is no moral high ground to take. Unless, are you are "moral absolutist" if so where do your moral absolutes come from?
@CovertFrog Oh bye the way did you know that song "Amazing Grace" it was written by an ex-slave trader in the 1800s. When he became aware of God's grace he gave up the kidnapping and slave trading thing that God said he didn't like.
@CovertFrog Did you read the part were it says you can't kidnap people and force them to slaves. The modern term used to describe slavery in the bible would be indentured servitude. Use to pay off debt if you didn't have money. It was the alternative to being thrown in jail. There was no such thing as declaring bankruptcy because usury is outlawed by God so no one ever got away with not paying their tab. Look that word up.."usury" it's a cool word.
@CovertFrog "evil totalitarian regime" lol you claim a moral statement like that... yet you (by default of your world view) are a moral relativist.... you cant state that something is absolutely "evil" because somewhere else someone might not define it as "evil"... unless you have "moral absolutes", in that case i ask.. where do your moral absolutes come from?
i know everyone has probably heard this before, but if "god" or "jesus" created the universe, then who created them, and if so, whos created the creator etc.
@mikeharbour2 that is a good question. In our universe of causality we know that A causes B. If you follow back as far as possible then you reach the first original "cause" of the universe. Now (if the universe is not infinite) then this original cause must be "un-caused" Hence God theoretically doesnt require a cause. If infinite then of course my argument is false... but an infinite universe has many counter arguments which you can find yourself :) ps look for "infinte regression"
@CovertFrog you assume alot to presume you know ANYTHING about my education! fyi I am a CONVERT and hold a masters license in electrical... I am also omw to a degree in electrical engineering... your so full of shit your breath stinks... and for the record it doesn't matter what you show your kids lmao it's up to god what they become, I sure hope they dont become godless morons who breed hate and foolishness like yourself... as for hell, you'll learn soon enough
@CovertFrog and teach them that when you get too old to produce and be a useful part of society then they can just have you committed or even euthanized lmao and dont forget having to respect anyone older than yourself even if they r total jerkoffs just brilliant you just keep on wishing for that dude... you can have it all you want... it's all around you... and when you die... you can be some demons biotch and get ars raped by a fire penis
@CovertFrog yeah I bet you would... then you and the retards can be exactly equal, unless the tards aren't up to snuff then they can be euthenized, oh yeah and the elites can stuff all your working dues in their packets under the table lmao... then a bunch of lil gangster clicks will take power and punish you if you over produce or are too smart... what a great society... the best part is when they take your kids away(if your allowed to have any) and indoctrinate them into the communist cont...
@CovertFrog your the one on a creationist video posting trolling comments lmao YOU gtfo! SHOO! BE GONE! nobody here wants to hear you dribbling. you insistent barrage of oral fecal matter. come on here talking shit telling people to get lost HA f*** off yeah? piss off yeah? your a total tool and need to take your own advice
@CovertFrog I know how it's spelled... why are you splitting hairs here lol wanna try to bury something? I write how I choose thats an awesome example of how your mind works... wanna tell somebody how to type how to believe how to work how to live totally communist and socialist just like evilution will bring you too eventually especially since luciferianism is the end result of evilution lol
@CovertFrog yesh I did that intentionally due to the fact that it is EVIL roflmmfao your so dense you actually think I dont know any better jeeeeeez. scum bubble teeheeheehee try harder next time
how is a mathematical chance the same as a mathemathical impossibility? Are you nuts?
a mathemathical impossibility is by definition an event with a likelihood of 0.
an event with a likelihood of 1 to 1.585 x 10^243 is not impossible.
Although you have brilliantly covered the age ofe the universe, the assumption is made, that only in one single spot of the whole universe, aminoacids would "try" to form into complex structures.How many spots are there in the universe where amino acids could form?
@CovertFrog or MAYBE your just a brainwashed product of some roadscholar who indoctrinated you into some luciferian belief and you totally have no clue seeing as how IF you dont believe in a god you definately dont believe in satan... the point remains evilution does teach what you deny
@CovertFrog I think not douche... he is right on and it pisses you off to see somebody actually point it out... it may not be what YOU believe but it is what evolution teaches and believes maybe you just dont know your faith too well...
AND MATTER IN A REASONABLE AREA (COMPARED TO THIER MASSES) ARE ATTRACT ONE ANOTHER AND GROUP UP THUS EXPONENTIALY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF REACTIONS POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE
YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT EVERY SECOND YOU TAKE ONLY ONE ROLL OF THE DICE, so to say, COMPARE THE AMOUNT OF MATTER IN AN AMINO ACID AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE AMOUNT OF MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE, SO IN REALITY YOUR ARE TAKING BILLIONS ON BILLIONS ON BILLIONS OF ROLLS EVERYSECOND AND LET ME REMIND YOU THAT MANY CHEMICAL REACTIONS HAPPEN IN LESS THAN A SECOND
"What processes are going to preserve the correct sequence you have so far."
Natural selection preserves those good genes that produce advantageous proteins.
"I know of no protein that's going to last for 20 billion years."
No kidding. DNA templates make as many proteins as the organism needs. Even the DNA template can be copied and re-copied for current and future organisms.
Seriously dude, take a freaking population genetics course.
@UNLebanon Natural selection first needs a working protein and so the appearance or creation of that protein to begin with is the mathematical problem. It's such a problem that an entire alternate evolutionary theory was invented called Evolution by Self Organization, but it too is a failure. As a computer programmer I can't randomly flip bits in memory to generate the mere 6 instructions needed to calculate Ohm's law, never mind having it later mutate into something better.
@Elhardt "Natural selection first needs a working protein" precisely my point. Ian is falsely applying natural selection to the chemical process of making proteins. The theory of evolution by natural selection is a model for populations of organisms. It does not cover the making of proteins from scratch. For that, we turn to abiogenesis. This explains how primordial chemical reactions can produce things like amino acids, the building blocks to what would become life.
And it's SOOO easy to create an amino acid. From scratch. At random. Even Evolutionists have admitted that the Miller-Urey experiment was a cooked-up fraud that proved nothing other than "if you had all the chemicals - in the right place - all at the same time - in the perfect setting - at the exact right moment - you could create SOME of the amino acids you need for life - which you then promptly destroy when trying to create the rest of them." Keep talking and you'll prove you are a fool.
@cpkruschke There was nothing fraudulent about the Miller-Urey experiment. Its purpose was to prove that organic molecules can arise from inorganic sources. This proof was successful. Even when new data and theories about primordial earth were discovered, other scientists repeated the experiment under the latest data. They too were able to make organic molecules under the broadest of conditions. These series of experiments have made abiogenesis a well accepted theory in the field of science
This guy actually thinks that evolution works via chemical reactions trying every possible combination of molecules before reacting. Man, I feel sorry for this guy's science teacher. He/she must feel like a total failure.
@odinata My 2nd thoughts came when, after I wrote the reply, I thought I recognized your "name." Sure enough you are on my list of evo YT fans who get into verbal abuse instead of sticking to science & logic. I was going to ask you to provide evidence - not "could have...might...probably...simulation...millions of years ago" - from evo lit that DNA came thru either natural selection or mutations. It's not my opinioin: Without the spin, there is 0 such evidence. But you're on ignore. Bye!
@giorgiv18 My last reply to him was, as stated, my last reply. Yes, I know how he operates. He is one of quite a few evo guard dogs who go from vid to vid attacking those who don't agree with evolution.
ANYONE: In response to the statement that Craig Venter created life from nonlife, using a dead cell, this is simply not true. From Science Mag. "...they [Venter's team] describe a stepwise creation of a bacterial chromosome & the successful transfer of it into a [already living, natural!] bacterium, where it replaced the native DNA..." There are other inaccurate comments I could address, but as stated, I shun verbal abuse and usually prefer to ignore the posts of those who use it.
@LoricaLady - lol, verbal abuse is better than being burned at a stake, or tortured until you confess your belief; which was standard fare for those who challenged the Church's authority prior to humanity getting a clue.
Evolution is a biological fact, and if you disagree with it that much I suggest you boycott hospitals when you are sick because much of their technology/science has its foundations in evolutionary biology; and this isn't because of some political choice, it's reality.
@bitphr3ak The RCC, a paganized "version" of Christianity, was indeed responsible for10s of millions of deaths, even more than the atheist regimes of China & Russia & many violent pagan religions. That has 0 to do with whether evo is true or not tho. They don't require evolution classes in medical school because it actually does not improve their ability to heal in any way That's the reality. Why don't you try to debunk some of my debunks below. You have so far said 0 of a scientific nature.
ANYONE: If you see 0 replies to some posters they know they are on ignore for things like personal insults and name calling - and with Brospec even sexual harrasment. Such behaviors are antithetical to the true purposes of science. As can be see in many, many posts below, I am happy to debate as long as true debate is possible, that is where people are civil & objective.
ANYONE: Brospec is one of several folk who follow me (& others) around YT, guard dogging anything said against evolution. They know they are on ignore for personal insults, name calling gross obscenities, false accusations of lying and also, in his case, sexual harrassment. I like to dispel disinformation but only debate where true debate is possible, with those who are civil & objective.
This scale of numbers is meaningless without a reference. There is a whole universe that, theoretically, is a chemistry lab wherein a scale of this magnitude may find accommodation.
You have no doubt heard about the Mars meteor discovery; the one that is claimed to contain fossil remains of a cellular bacterium? (hint: it isn't recent) Even if the earth isn't big enough a chemistry lab to randomly generate the molecular chains that would form the first "life" on earth, there is a big universe.
I'm sorry but, I don't consider this to be a good "proof" of Creation. Evolutionists will surely use the same argument I have, and charge themselves with a huge "win" for doing so. (because they have no other victories to claim, if they take the more physical proof seriously.)
Please give this theoretical concept a physical reference, in say miles of surface area, to give it meaning. The universe is pretty huge too.
Why do "we" need to try all of the combinations? You aren't at all clear. Not to mention the fact that any combinations could occur by the billions every second. And as for preserving the correct combinations, a basic understanding (which you claim to have) of evolution and molecular bio would have your answer, w/o the superfluous add-on of divine agency. And your "20 billion year protein" straw man is a shameless duplicity-- you're better than that.
ANYONE: If you see no reply to any posters here they know they are on ignore for personal insults & gross obscenities. Such behaviors make true debate impossible and are antithetical to the true purposes of science. We all have limited time and I spend mine withi those who are civil & objective.
@ReptilianFreemason Ah too bad. I looked thru your posts, after responding to the 1st one, & was about to reply when I saw your obscene verbal abuse of the man in the vid. For the record, I don't think everything he says is necessarily 100%, but I do take him seriously as he offers a lot of good info in an entertaining way. I have noticed that people who verbally abuse one person will then turn on another - like me for ex. I'm thru with that kind of behavior on YT. Bye!
If he is shown to be wrong on so many instances then how can you take anything he says seriously? The man is a fraud, a religious entrepreneur trying to cash in on the uneducated & the credulous. He relies on ignorance & is a purposely misleading, unscrupulous charlatan & i make no apologies for anything i've said about him, i happen to consider reality to be quite important & that fact this excuse of a man is trying to pollute the minds of our children i deem unacceptable.
@ReptilianFreemason Thank you! I didn't see the post. I have to bow out of this debate until the Sabbath when I will have more time. (Fri. eve to Sat. eve for me.) You leave a lot of posts. There is nothing at all wrong with that but that means replies & re-replies start multiplying like rabbits & I need to attend to some other things. If you see me responding to another poster, he has left fewer posts so I will have time to reply. But I will not be ignoring you - just waiting til later.
If you wish to use this as an excuse for being unable to address the evidence i've offered then so be it. I haven't verbally abused you or been rude to you in any way so you have no reason for your actions. I also have no intentions of being rude to you, i simply want an intelligent & rational debate discussing the evidence. Would it make you feel better if i removed the said comment? I'll gladly do so if it means you'll acknowledge the evidence put forth.
@ReptilianFreemason Okay, if you remove the insult to the person in this vid I will give it one more chance with you. However, after 2 years of debating with evolutionists, in the few instance where a 2nd chance was asked for and given, they went right back to the same pattern of insults after a short time. But we'll see. Plz let me know when/if you removed it. It is hard to look thru all these posts.
That's fine & i'm sorry that is your experience in debating 'evolutionists'. I have personally found the same when debating creationists but i judge each individual by their own merits & don't tar everybody with the same brush. Hopefully we can keep this civil & both take something positive away from it.
I've deleted the comment & apologies for any offence it's caused you.
Cnt. The Q is: When do we see life coming from inorganic matter, ever? Historical observations, real data with real sciencem shows that life comes from life period, hence the LAW of biogenesis. So some evolutionists say "We don't deeal with biogenesis." Bull. Darwin's letters poke of it. Miller & Urey tried to prove it. Little children read about it in books on evo. Many call EVOLUTION a religion because it has faith in the unseen - like the primal pond, scales to feather, etc. etc.
@unfad1ng Please cite your source, & evolutionary literature is not just fine but preferred, that you feel shows evidence for"small variationis in the DNA...causes evolution to take place." There is 0 evidence that any such chantges build over time on top of one another to create new dna instructions leading to things like fins to feet and scales to feathers etc. (All fossils, of which there are billions & literally tons, show 100% feet or fins or feathers or scales,no inbetweens anywhere.)
@unfad1ng I see your faith. Show me your data, your science. With "tons of evidence" it should not be difficult. All you have to do in fact is tell me what site to Google that shows evidence that small variations in DNA causes evolution to take place. Friend, if you can't support it with your own words, even with citing a site, you really don't understand it. If you don't understand it but defend it anyway, you are operating on faith not science & logic. You can do better.
all you have to realize is that if something copies itself, the copies with small changes that makes it easier for it to copy itself gets copied more and thus makes for more of those copies and it adds togheter over millions of years.
so if i prove that there occurs small changes in the dna sometimes then i can prove the possibility of evolution.
@unfad1ng "If something copies itself." "If" is not evidence, but conjecture w/o data being presented as data. There is 0 evidence that "mutations add up", 1 building on top of another to leading to needed new instructions for turning a scale into a feather. What the real observable data shows is that Yes there is speciation. But bees stay bees & peas stay peas. Billions of bacteri, algea etc. life forms are having new generations at staggering rates & all stay bacteria, algae etc. Cont.
@unfad1ng Cont. You see 0 evo with dogs. They are not even changing their species much less climbing up Darwin's "Tree." No matter how many breeds you get you still get dogs. Every time. "Over millions of years" is conveniently in the unobservable, untestable, repeatable past. Proving small changes occur is easy. Poodles & beagles. Show 1 shred of evidence that anything above the level of speciation has ever happened. Again, the real evidence is saying the exact opposite of evo.
@unfad1ng Cont. Adaptation occurs as when new species are created, as when new fish breeds occur. However these are the result of changes within the already existant genes of the animal. Minor gene changes can turn a pet store gold fish into a fancy Japanese type. But in order to turn a fish into a salamander you need new DNA instructions for new lungs, fish to fin, new skin etc. Mutations don't build up and they can't build instructions for previously non existent body parts. Cont.
@unfad1ng Cont. In order for a fin to turn into a foot you don't just change an outer shape. You must change the cranial nerves, the cortex so that new instructions are given, & you must build new muscles, lingaments, blood vessels, etc. etc. etc. How are slow changes over time going to be able to coordinate all those changes and synchronously, plus constantly re-engineer the animal as it "evolves"? What good is a nerve, vessel, etc. until its complete & all its connections are complete? Cont.
@unfad1ng Cont. Again, the real evidence, the many billionis of fossils, show the exact opposite of what evo claims happened. There are no part fish & part tetrapods, part fish lungs & skin, part feathers etc. They are 1 or the other. For ex. with billionis of nautiloids in the Grand Canyon alone, not 1 shows a spiral that is incomplete, or "evolving" tentacles. All life forms seen are totally complete and suited to their particular little niches in the ecosphere, & 0 are in "transition".
im afriad you dont know what youre talking about..
There are part fish part tetrapod animals.
ever heard of tiktaalik?
Its fish with fins that are downward facing, like arms and it could climb up from the water to eat stuff on land and that helped it survive, more food= easier to survive.
slow changes over time is observable, take a look at finches..
@unfad1ng Tiktaalik is 100% fish. Where is any evidence it is part tetrapod? Nowhere. That is based on "simlarities" to this & that, i.e. the usual Correlation Does Not Imply Causation logical fallacy. It is a fish. 100%. It is being used in a very deceptive way not just in verbal descriptons but in art work. Google & find a pic of its fossil. Then Google Melbourne Museum 600 Million Years Tiktaalik. Keep looking at both. Notice anything? The fossil has tiny little frontal fins. Cnt.
@unfad1ng Cnt.The replica has frontal fins that are about 5X bigger. They're long, strong & bend at the bottom sort of like a foot. They show musculature suitable for raising Tik's huge head up in its great "evolution" to walking on land, musculature nowhere seen in the fossil. The fossil has no back end. How convenient. The artist just fills one in based on evo theory. We see leg like back fins & a tail that is not fish like - i.e. not vertical, but horizontal for easy slide to land. Cont.
@unfad1ng Cont. Again, Tik is a fish. It has fish fins that are no way similar to legs - the real fossil, not the "creative" replica. It obviously breathed only water. Notice also the little upward tilt of the nostrils on the replica, suitable for Tik's "evolution" to air breathing. The fossil, again, does not match the replica for the snout is flat withi no upward tilt. Because Tik is a fish. 100%. Look at that fossil. Would you like to be given those little finny bones to walk on? Cnt
@unfad1ng Cnt. "Slow changes over time is observable." If you stick to what is observable you will go far in understanding why evolution is not science. We observe that finches beaks change. We do not observe that this is causing them to turn into non finches or in any way is leading them to climb up the "Tree of Life." We observe speciation. Long before Darwin. We observe 200 species of bees. They all stay bees. Mendell showed change over time & bees stayed bees & peas stayed peas. Cnt
@unfad1ng Cont. If you will really look at the evo lit I don't think you will see it actually saying that Tik could climb up from water to eat stuff. They don't usually work that way. They suggest, they imply, they make tentative speculations. For ex. go back to the Melbourne site & see how they use the usual evo buzz words, "...strong rays suggesting [!] that thtey have have [!] been used to prop the animals' body up under water." Speculation presented as evidence is pseudo science.
@unfad1ng Cont. Notice also in the Melbourne article that it calls Tik "A lobed fin fish." But then it calls it a fishapod. What is it really? It's a fish. What evidence is there that Tik or any "transitional form" ever had any descendants that are significantly different from itself? None. How do we know it isn't just another of many fish who show great diversity due to the great diversity of niches in the planet earth's biosphere? We don't. There is 0 science with 0 evidence.
@unfad1ng Back "observe." That is scientific whereas "believe" & "seems [!] logical" aren't really. Once more with feeling. We observe speciation. It's been observed for a long time. We also observe that bacterria & algae, which multiply & maike new generations at staggering rates - so we don't need "millions of years to check:- stay bacteria & algae. "Millions of years" is conveniently not testable, observable or repeatable. The fossil evidence shows abrupt appearance & stasis. Cont.
@unfad1ng Yes, we do observe new species of bacteria. I believe I have said several times that we observe speciation and that this was observed before Darwin. Do we observe the bacteria becoming non bacteria? No. Re the horse & zebra I am not an expert on them but by Googling I see that they can interbreed - at least some species of zebras can interbreed with horses. Speciation does not lead to upward climbs on Darwin's "Tree of Life" though that is being taught, w/0 data to support it.
you know that the family of bacteria is more genetically difeerent than the family of animals.
bacteria turning into non bacteria is like a mushroom turning into an animal.
speciation proves evolution, if speciation exists then theres nothing prohibiting life to split even more, theres no upward climbing, it doesnt work in an upwards climbing kinda way.
a zebra horse hybrid is sterile because zebras and horses are difeerent species. thought they are close enough to breed.
@unfad1ng If "speciation proves evolution" give details. Give 1 ex. of where a species changed into a different genus & started climbing up the so called Tree of Life. Give me Google references to show where you are getting your info. "There's nothing prohibiting..." Yes there is. To change from genus to species you need new DNA. The informaton in a strand of DNA is more complex than the info in a library. If you are going to say new DNA, new info, is being created, show where & how.
@gamesbok When we really understand something we can put it into our own words. If you have something to say, please don't just cut & paste a link. Use your words & your mind to say it.
@gamesbok Out of curiosity I did glance quickly at the article. Notice the use of "simulation." With simulation you can turn Cinderella's pumpkin into a carriage. Again, if you can state what this article says, please be so kind as to put it in your own words, showing you really do understand it, and then be prepared to defend it.
@LoricaLady The simulation is only used to show growth rates given certain parameters.
Any system, and I do mean any, showing reproduction, variation and selection will show evolution. Evolution is true because of the meaning of the words, inevitable, a logical necessity, unescapable, a priori true. That all emperical evidence, and I do mean all, supports evolution is only to be expected.
@gamesbok "Certain parameters" is speculative too. There is no system showing evo. There are countless bacteria, algae etc. multiplying generations at staggering rates. When does one ever stop being a bacteria or algae? We are told is that evo happens. What we observe is that it does not. If you want to define "evolution" as "change" which some do, I don't accept that. I want to see evidence anywhere of climbs up Darwin's "Tree." The fossil record shows abrupt appearance & stasis. Cont.
@LoricaLady 'When does one ever stop being a bacteria or algae'? That's easy, slime mold and Volvox, and yes, it has been observed.
The fossil record shows nothing but change. I've worked offshore with Micropalentologists to direct drilling operations. It's the primary method of dating rocks because it shows so much change.
@gamesbok You have left too many posts for me to answer at this time. I should probably have time to respond to them on the Sabbath (Fri. eve to Sat. eve for me.)
@gamesbok Give a Google refereence that if purports to show evidence bacteria turn into mold and Volvox. Don't just say it happened, give backup. Better yet, put it into your own words. Wherever you read that I suggest you re-read it. Look for words like "most likely...probably...would have....millions of years ago" i.e. never really observed anywhere. Fossils show diversity just as living animals do. Diversity only means evolutionary change if there is evidence for evo & there is not.
@LoricaLady I understand your need to protect your ignorance, but believe me, it's better if you do your own research. To find a Google Reference to Slime Mould and Volvox go to Google and type 'Slime Mould and Volvox.' You shouldn't be so frightened of the modern world.
What do fossils show? They show no fish before the Cambrian. They show no amphibian before the Devonian. They show no mammal before the Triassic, no birds before the Jurassic.
@gamesbok I see, like most YT evo fans when presented with pressing requests for actual evidence as opposed to speculation, that you have become personally insulting: "You need to protect your ignorance...You shouldn't be so frightened of the modern world." You shouldn't be so frightened to do what I asked you to do twice, show you understand your references and put your points in your own words using your own mind. I debate with the civil & objective. You're now on ignore. Bye!
@gamesbok You cannot date rocks with any validity. There is no "geologic column" to go by as seen in text books but never in real life since that was just a 19th century construct based on 0 evidence and never found in subsequent world wide digs. Yes you will see diversity, and "change" from one layer to another. But you may very well see a different kind of diversity and change in a different sequence somewhere else in the world. Circular reasoning is used to date rocks. You can Google that.
Er, 20 billion years?
lethalsub 4 days ago
Your baseless assertions that life needed an all powerful, all knowing, and all benevolent deity is ridiculous.
So I'm going to go ahead and assume you accept the fact this God is the God of the Bible.
So let me ask you something, what's more likely that the laws of nature should be broken or that men would tell a lie?
Of course I refer to the "miracles" performed by Jesus in the Bible that suspend the laws of nature. Oh that's right God can do anything. Your so child like.
metalsusa1 1 week ago
This guy should submit his ridiculous claims to peer review and get his ass handed to him.
And judging by his triple chins that's a lot of ass.
metalsusa1 1 week ago
@metalsusa1 ..Such claims (very) regularly do get sent for pier review... literally dozens a month. Every few years something with a creationist paragraph buried in it sneaks through.
neverfearchrisishere 3 hours ago
@neverfearchrisishere I know creationists have their own version of peer review. Can you sight one science journal submitted to the National Academy of Sciences peer review process by a creationist scientist that legitimately got published?
metalsusa1 2 hours ago
So God is semi-skilled because he took 6 days? And then the all powerful God had to rest. WTF?
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
I don't think you can add two and two without the use of a calculator, why would I trust anything else you say?
oh, you're going to want to disable ratings on your videos and make the comments moderated. Unless of course you're trolling for insults.
TheSaturnalia 2 weeks ago
Why must every combination be tried?
yugyfoog 3 weeks ago
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The combination of colecules is NOT based on chance.
odinata 1 month ago
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@CovertFrog Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!
Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
The probability of life developing from a chance combination of molecules is equal to 10
-255 (Populated Space / Edited by V.D.Penelis. Moscow, 1972). The probability of a DNA molecule appearing by chance is 10 -80,038 (V. I. Kura-shov, Y. I. Soloviev. On the Problem of ―Reducing‖ Chemistry to Physics //Questions of philoso-phy. 1984. No. 6. p. 96)]?
Pilgrim1411 2 months ago
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@Pilgrim1411 Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!
Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
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@Pilgrim1411 The problem with those meaningless numbers is that biochemical reactions are not chance. Calculate the odds of a stone hitting the ground by chance, and you'll realize why your numbers are irrelevant.
TheScienceFoundation 1 month ago
@CovertFrog When doing this Muslims tried to infiltrate the eastern Christian church to take it over, then they were going to attack the western church. They have always been set on world domination. And if you look over in the middle east there are Christians who are being killed for their faith, and all the churches have been destroyed. Muslims and radicals are blood thirsty, Christians are not. We do not fly planes into towers. I will watch the rest of it later, the holiday.
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Through it yet. I think it's interesting how the 3 of the 4 Atheist horsemen bring up the Taliban. In my pre-Christian days I used to watch Family Guy, I don't know if you do, but there was one episode where Lois was running for Senator or something. And all she had to do is say "9-11" and the crowd went crazy. That's what it reminded me of, Muslims are not Christians, as a matter of fact when the church had a great schism part of the church departed to the east. P2...
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog As far as how old the earth is...don't know, that's not my focal point here. When you're talking about evolution, which one? Micro or Macro? Adam and Eve? Yes, I do believe we came from their line, if not then how did we get here? Noah and the flood...of course. Not just by biblical standards but also early church history. This comment might take 2 parts so I apologize. I watched a little bit of the William Lane Craig and Sam Harris debate, I didn't get all the way ..P1
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog I can tell you're happy and joy-filled.....anyway. So, how am I ignorant? because I don't believe what you believe? That's pretty closed minded. I will check out Sam Harris. Now when I gave you all the info on creation.. all my info is wrong...and all your info is right? Then you call me abusive??? Who doing the cussing and name calling here? Once again I will repeat myself AGAIN...I didn't know the peer testing. And we never discussed how old the earth was, you need to be nice.
bodom71 3 months ago
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@bodom71 Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!
Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
@CovertFrog Who me? Nope I am a happy, joy-filled Christian. The only reason that I had a bit of an attitude with you is because I believe in the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do to you. I was just treating you the way you were treating me, I'm a Christian...not a door mat!! And I really find it arrogant of most Atheists(not all) to call us morons. But, actually I'm a nice guy and I hate talking to people like that but if I have a point I say it. Did you watch the debate?
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Apparently, I have to get Crayons and draw pictures, let me repeat myself. I don't mix science with faith, I have nothing against science it's a wonderful thing, but don't think every question will be answered with science. As for the peer testing I don't know, but I did give info and names. Plus, there is a debate on Evolution/ creation with those 2 scientists on you tube. On the Michael Coren show, they can answer that better. At least the Evolutionist is not a angry, atheist troll
bodom71 3 months ago
What he's talking about is minimal gene concept. Also, I think you need to check your scientific stats because The discovery Institute list 3 full pages of credited biologists who profess a belief in Creationism. Look at Dr. Laurence Tisdale the President of creation science association Quebec. What you find might be interesting, if you want to talk creation. I try not to confuse science with faith, Jason Wiles from the Evolution education center says"A belief in God or no God isn't science".
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog No, I've seen a lot of the bunk. They get a lot of their personal belief from Richard Dawkins and other people who have no idea what Christianity is all about. I look at both angles, what I don't do is try to disprove something I don't even believe in. I don't believe in Santa Claus...but, also I don't whine about what he didn't give me for Christmas. I've tried to understand where Atheists are coming from...I can't because what they THINK is erroneous!! It's all personal.
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog No, I'm saying I don't want any remarks by an intellectual.....if you want to call it that, with a hate crime against Christianity. I didn't say all were...You should really read these comments better. And as for avoiding my question, that's what I thought!!! My fragile worldview...Christianity isn't for wimps!! What you're placing here is personal vendetta, it has nothing to do with the past.
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog O.K So what was the history to make it non-credible? Where did you look? And do not include any document from some "intellectual", who is promoting a hate crime on Christians.
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Oh my goodness!! The Bible has been proven a worthy and historical document over and over again. You just simply will not look at the facts because you don't want to, Atheism is defined this way; I don't like old documents; ie, Shakespeare, Plato, and The Declaration of Independence... you all those bronze documents,(despite the year), I'm spiritually lazy so this means I will believe anything other than the Bible, which leaves me open for anything, And I just don't want to! Right?
bodom71 3 months ago
@CovertFrog But, isn't it out of ignorance that you Atheists use that excuse? The word Chist-ian means Christ-like. We are supposed to be Jesus for a dying world. The Christian faith was started by Jesus and the Apostles.all other cults that call themselves "Christians"; Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons so on, have extra books that are read in unison with the Bible, actually they read that book that was created by a confused man more than the Bible. Jesus warns us against that, They are NOT Christians
bodom71 3 months ago
i find it interesting that people can't come up with any evidence at all. Their argument is based off of personal attacks and illogical statements. I'm a Christian, and every atheist that I've ever talked to has never had any evidence EITHER. You can't prove Christianity wrong, so you focus on the person sending the message by calling them names and mocking them. Come up with a RESPECTABLE argument, LISTEN and THINK about the other argument instead of condemning it on the spot.
canadiandaniel 3 months ago
@CovertFrog I thoroughly enjoy your insults to one degree but to the other I have nothing but sheer pity for you. That is the big lie right there. "Enjoy the one life you have." So do what ever you wicked selfish heart desires. If the world was full of selfish people with that philosophy the world would fall apart, as it is today. What will you do until your final day on earth? It is written," Will a man gain the whole world and loose his soul?" or "What price will a man pay to gain his soul?"
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog By the way. How did I know how you were to respond in you next comment? Must be magic? Or maybe yourf ways of foolishness are foretold by scripture. You cannot have a serious dialog because it causes you to go mad so you do the only thing you can do, is lash out. You have no real questions nor do you have any answers. You wouldn't know what truth was if it flew into your eye. You have no desire for the truth only your opinion. And you will go to the gave with it in pride.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog And no matter who is right in their beliefs, me or you, YOUR words are still nothing but chaff in the wind for endless time to swallow up. And so is your life and your selfish self-employed purpose in life, if you have one. There was one little thing about hell that I didn't share with you that I learned afterward. There is no glory in hell. If you were to have a friend or a family member who was forgiven and brought back in union with their redeemer, they would forget everything you
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Here I am testifying to you my experience in hell and your telling me to join a man made cult that doesn't believe in hell... How can you not see your delusion? Yes, I know, next your going to tell me that I'm the one that has a deluded mind and heart. And then your going to add in some internet acronyms like LMAO, and you will probably also want to add one or two F words in there to. Combining that all with an insult. Surprise me...
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Unfortunately no one has ever preached more about the punishment for Sin and hell then Jesus the Christ. I wonder, would you tell an astronaut to live with a tribe of people that didn't believe in outer-space? If you are left to your pride alone then you will die in your sins. As Jesus said," Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." For there is no other name on earth that we are given to be saved by the forgiveness of our sins. God is not required to save anyone.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Turn away from Sin while you can. Call on the name of God and you shall be forgiven. Live in your pride and you shall be judged. As Jesus once said, “If you were blind you would be innocent, but because you profess to see you will then be held to the measure of light you have been given.”
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog There I was back in my room with my wife. And my lips were still burning. Some people I hear get visions of heaven but I praise God for what he has shown me. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone evil or not. But this is a Judgment that belongs to the righteous one, the Lamb of God.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog That night in my room I was brought in a flash to hell. For a short moment that one could blink. I came to know what hell fire was. It was like a great blast of fire with a sound so loud it would rumble your insides. It incased me and I could not move. But the worst thing of all was that I felt such a despair of emptiness and the horror of the eternal set in. I wanted to scream from the shear fear but before I could open my mouth it was all over.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog As for hell and its existence, I’ve been there a few weeks ago. I tell you the truth, that one day as I was contemplating this new life I have been given. I soon realized that the path I should walk would be to difficult and I would stumble and in my failure I would give disgrace to my God whom I love. So I secretly decided that instead of failing while carrying the name of Yahweh that I would give up and except hell as a punishment.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Such curses you have pronounced upon me?.. The innards of your heart's desires lay bare and open. I never said that I know the full counsel of the living God. We only know what He has revealed to the world. For it is written, "The secret things belong to the Lord but what he revels belongs to us and our children." It is not wise to be led by your own understanding and the wickedness of ones heart as you are doing. It also says, "The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?"
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Do you know anything? Or do you just let that blackend heart of your just control your every thought. Man, I knew the bible said that man was evil but I didn't think they were that evil. Then again I was just like you less than a year ago. God would have been just to send me to hell just like he would be just to do the same to you right now. Did that hit a soft spot?
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog HAHA! Can you please cite the verse were God tells Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter. Because the whole sacrifice thing was instigated by a fallible man like yourself and not an infallible eternal Being such as Yahweh. Go ahead cite the verse in context. I dare you. I think you just hate God because He has set the law inside your heart and you know it. How many times have you gone against your own conscience? Man, judgment day is not looking good for you.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog "dont need a fucking god to do good" This is my point- you cannot define good as morally good (only proactive + for a cause) you cant claim to be a good person for doing those things nor can you claim someone is bad for not doing them. Stop living like a moral Absolutist, its hypocritical of you to do so. It is the measurement from God which defines absolute morals. btw no-one claimed to have a monopoly on anything, moreover, your profanity explains a lot about your character.
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog lol when was the last time you were in a lab trying to cure cancer? when was the last time you worked in a homeless shelter? When were you going to the deepest parts of poverty in the world and feeding the starving. Please dont give me a speech on doing good - its hypocritical from you.
"You said that like I give a fuck about what fucktards think" After several (emotionally charged) comments from you and the fact you watched this video (and probably more) you clearly do care.
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog "Howszat".... completely predictable, nice way to show your true colours. This type of comment ruins your intellectual premise which you claim you posses and try strip from others.... completely lack of empathy from your side too.
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Your position with moral relativism very shaky indeed. As i said before, you cant condemn anyone for any immoral actions because you're "morality" is based on relativism (no firm right or wrong). So are you going to live by your moral relativistic view and apologize to anyone you have hypocritically condemned? or will you carry on living a against the world view in which you boast of its moral superiority (ironically)? I await you reply (filled with ad-hominem attacks i suspect)
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog You also seem to find fault with a God who desires that people should keep their word. As tragic as it was, it was Jephthah's own fault that his daughter died and not God's. You can't be making stupid promises like that to an Almighty Being like Yahweh. But you just miss that point didn't you. I don't have any desire to teach some spiritually bankrupt God hating rebel about the word of a God he hates. So lets just conclude you don't know squat about it. Before you get embarrassed.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog I must thank you again. It's like every time you speak my faith just seems to becomes greater. You once again have shown you know nothing about God or Scripture. What dose Sunday the first day of the week have anything to do with the sabbath? You must of skipped of the part were it said that the seventh day was the Holy day. You obviously don't know a thing about the bible. You seem to try to find fault with the God who gives life and has the right to take it back from evil people.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog I will look forward to your next filthy comment. It seems that's all you have is hatred for anyone that tells you that there is a God who gives life and takes it away. He own this world and there is nothing any created being can do about that, except lash out like you are doing. I love it when scripture is right all the time.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Thank you very much CovertFrog. I appreciate your last comment proving my point about your tongue. It's only a reflection of what is truly in your heart. You should turn from your ways of pride. Your atheist world view gives no room for objective morals leaving everyone who believes in it the strong possibility of acting like the animals they think they evolved from. You will be held accountable for everything you have said and done in your life. I'm sorry if that's to hard for you.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Thank you for pointing out what Jesus said. I would have never seen that. Boy! you sure are smart. Can you give me your address so I can send you a box of cookies for explaining the scriptures for me?lol! Actually this video explains what that all means. Which I think is pretty obvious but since you can't see that then what makes you think you know anything?
watch?v=5JQOBMi4QS8&feature=relmfu
By the way I wouldn't kiss the dog with a filthy mouth like yours.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Im am surprised tbh, Your lack of living out your world view is completely hypocritical, you make it even worse by condemning others when your world view states "there is no absolute right and wrong" then you condemn a Christians world view on subjects you clearly have not studied or understood. You dont even understand the term "slavery" as Chriscoolguy15 explained. Moreover you feel like your world view is the majority (false). You are indeed very deluded.
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog again you miss the point, as moral relativist, you cant be any more moral or less moral than anyone. you have to respect and accept all versions of morals regardless whether you agree with them. you cant claim anything to be "evil" but just negative in your view.
"I guess that makes me more moral than you" This goes against your world view, either you are wrong or you were lying when you said you are a moral relativist, if you were lying, where do you get your moral absolutes from?
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog "Everyone is a moral relativist" Im not,neither is any Christian, or the majority of any religious people (around 65-80% of the population). Moreover "leads nicely to divine command, a wonderful excuse to burn witches, stone homosexuals, leads nicely to divine command, a wonderful excuse to burn witches, stone homosexuals... " as a moral relativist you have to say and accept all those things as ok because your moral grounds are relative. Thanks for answering the question
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog not flattering myself at all. Btw are you going to dodge the question for a third time? or are you going to get all touchy and respond with silly comments about MRI scanners and probes?
Are you a moral relativist? if so then you have no grounds which to declare yourself more moral than anyone?
Or are you amoral absolutist? If so then, where do you get your moral absolutes from?
If you feel like throwing more insults at me then dont waste your time, it just makes you look silly.
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog lol i guess i touched a nerve there. However, ironically, you still try and take the "moral" high ground.... but you are a moral relativist... there is no moral high ground to take. Unless, are you are "moral absolutist" if so where do your moral absolutes come from?
jakry321 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Oh bye the way did you know that song "Amazing Grace" it was written by an ex-slave trader in the 1800s. When he became aware of God's grace he gave up the kidnapping and slave trading thing that God said he didn't like.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog Did you read the part were it says you can't kidnap people and force them to slaves. The modern term used to describe slavery in the bible would be indentured servitude. Use to pay off debt if you didn't have money. It was the alternative to being thrown in jail. There was no such thing as declaring bankruptcy because usury is outlawed by God so no one ever got away with not paying their tab. Look that word up.."usury" it's a cool word.
chriscoolguy15 3 months ago
@CovertFrog "evil totalitarian regime" lol you claim a moral statement like that... yet you (by default of your world view) are a moral relativist.... you cant state that something is absolutely "evil" because somewhere else someone might not define it as "evil"... unless you have "moral absolutes", in that case i ask.. where do your moral absolutes come from?
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What are the odds that foxes are related to wolves?
100%.
odinata 4 months ago
i know everyone has probably heard this before, but if "god" or "jesus" created the universe, then who created them, and if so, whos created the creator etc.
mikeharbour2 4 months ago
@mikeharbour2 that is a good question. In our universe of causality we know that A causes B. If you follow back as far as possible then you reach the first original "cause" of the universe. Now (if the universe is not infinite) then this original cause must be "un-caused" Hence God theoretically doesnt require a cause. If infinite then of course my argument is false... but an infinite universe has many counter arguments which you can find yourself :) ps look for "infinte regression"
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@CovertFrog you assume alot to presume you know ANYTHING about my education! fyi I am a CONVERT and hold a masters license in electrical... I am also omw to a degree in electrical engineering... your so full of shit your breath stinks... and for the record it doesn't matter what you show your kids lmao it's up to god what they become, I sure hope they dont become godless morons who breed hate and foolishness like yourself... as for hell, you'll learn soon enough
alcolyte76 4 months ago
@CovertFrog and teach them that when you get too old to produce and be a useful part of society then they can just have you committed or even euthanized lmao and dont forget having to respect anyone older than yourself even if they r total jerkoffs just brilliant you just keep on wishing for that dude... you can have it all you want... it's all around you... and when you die... you can be some demons biotch and get ars raped by a fire penis
alcolyte76 4 months ago
@CovertFrog yeah I bet you would... then you and the retards can be exactly equal, unless the tards aren't up to snuff then they can be euthenized, oh yeah and the elites can stuff all your working dues in their packets under the table lmao... then a bunch of lil gangster clicks will take power and punish you if you over produce or are too smart... what a great society... the best part is when they take your kids away(if your allowed to have any) and indoctrinate them into the communist cont...
alcolyte76 4 months ago
@CovertFrog your the one on a creationist video posting trolling comments lmao YOU gtfo! SHOO! BE GONE! nobody here wants to hear you dribbling. you insistent barrage of oral fecal matter. come on here talking shit telling people to get lost HA f*** off yeah? piss off yeah? your a total tool and need to take your own advice
alcolyte76 4 months ago
@CovertFrog I know how it's spelled... why are you splitting hairs here lol wanna try to bury something? I write how I choose thats an awesome example of how your mind works... wanna tell somebody how to type how to believe how to work how to live totally communist and socialist just like evilution will bring you too eventually especially since luciferianism is the end result of evilution lol
alcolyte76 4 months ago
@CovertFrog yesh I did that intentionally due to the fact that it is EVIL roflmmfao your so dense you actually think I dont know any better jeeeeeez. scum bubble teeheeheehee try harder next time
alcolyte76 4 months ago
how is a mathematical chance the same as a mathemathical impossibility? Are you nuts?
a mathemathical impossibility is by definition an event with a likelihood of 0.
an event with a likelihood of 1 to 1.585 x 10^243 is not impossible.
Although you have brilliantly covered the age ofe the universe, the assumption is made, that only in one single spot of the whole universe, aminoacids would "try" to form into complex structures.How many spots are there in the universe where amino acids could form?
tomtom34b 4 months ago
@CovertFrog or MAYBE your just a brainwashed product of some roadscholar who indoctrinated you into some luciferian belief and you totally have no clue seeing as how IF you dont believe in a god you definately dont believe in satan... the point remains evilution does teach what you deny
alcolyte76 4 months ago
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@alcolyte76
"some roadscholar..."
What's a roadscholar?
odinata 4 months ago
@CovertFrog I think not douche... he is right on and it pisses you off to see somebody actually point it out... it may not be what YOU believe but it is what evolution teaches and believes maybe you just dont know your faith too well...
alcolyte76 4 months ago in playlist crevo rant
AND MATTER IN A REASONABLE AREA (COMPARED TO THIER MASSES) ARE ATTRACT ONE ANOTHER AND GROUP UP THUS EXPONENTIALY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF REACTIONS POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE
(I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE THEORIES OF DARK ENERGY)
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dlMrINSPECTORlb 4 months ago
YOUR IDEA HAS ONE MAJOR FLAW!!!!
YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT EVERY SECOND YOU TAKE ONLY ONE ROLL OF THE DICE, so to say, COMPARE THE AMOUNT OF MATTER IN AN AMINO ACID AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE AMOUNT OF MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE, SO IN REALITY YOUR ARE TAKING BILLIONS ON BILLIONS ON BILLIONS OF ROLLS EVERYSECOND AND LET ME REMIND YOU THAT MANY CHEMICAL REACTIONS HAPPEN IN LESS THAN A SECOND
dlMrINSPECTORlb 4 months ago
math disprove evolution, but god of course is still okay.
hogo1 4 months ago
Your incredulity and ignorance isn't evidence for your religious opinions...
odinata 4 months ago
evolution is impossible... so its jesus? lol
mongrel420 5 months ago
guys! this makes sense! it's mathematically impossible!
mariojjean 5 months ago
Does are rock need an intlligent designer to tell it which way to fall? Evolution only needs the forces of nature to work.
gregrutz 5 months ago
"What processes are going to preserve the correct sequence you have so far."
Natural selection preserves those good genes that produce advantageous proteins.
"I know of no protein that's going to last for 20 billion years."
No kidding. DNA templates make as many proteins as the organism needs. Even the DNA template can be copied and re-copied for current and future organisms.
Seriously dude, take a freaking population genetics course.
UNLebanon 5 months ago
@UNLebanon Natural selection first needs a working protein and so the appearance or creation of that protein to begin with is the mathematical problem. It's such a problem that an entire alternate evolutionary theory was invented called Evolution by Self Organization, but it too is a failure. As a computer programmer I can't randomly flip bits in memory to generate the mere 6 instructions needed to calculate Ohm's law, never mind having it later mutate into something better.
Elhardt 5 months ago
@Elhardt "Natural selection first needs a working protein" precisely my point. Ian is falsely applying natural selection to the chemical process of making proteins. The theory of evolution by natural selection is a model for populations of organisms. It does not cover the making of proteins from scratch. For that, we turn to abiogenesis. This explains how primordial chemical reactions can produce things like amino acids, the building blocks to what would become life.
UNLebanon 5 months ago
And it's SOOO easy to create an amino acid. From scratch. At random. Even Evolutionists have admitted that the Miller-Urey experiment was a cooked-up fraud that proved nothing other than "if you had all the chemicals - in the right place - all at the same time - in the perfect setting - at the exact right moment - you could create SOME of the amino acids you need for life - which you then promptly destroy when trying to create the rest of them." Keep talking and you'll prove you are a fool.
cpkruschke 4 months ago
@cpkruschke There was nothing fraudulent about the Miller-Urey experiment. Its purpose was to prove that organic molecules can arise from inorganic sources. This proof was successful. Even when new data and theories about primordial earth were discovered, other scientists repeated the experiment under the latest data. They too were able to make organic molecules under the broadest of conditions. These series of experiments have made abiogenesis a well accepted theory in the field of science
UNLebanon 4 months ago
This guy actually thinks that evolution works via chemical reactions trying every possible combination of molecules before reacting. Man, I feel sorry for this guy's science teacher. He/she must feel like a total failure.
UNLebanon 5 months ago
And at the end of the day, science is still taught in the schools and universities, and young earth creationism is still just a JOKE.......
odinata 6 months ago
a funny fact: Darwin's theory of Pangenesis was disproved thanks to math.
giorgiv18 6 months ago
@giorgiv18
A funny fact:
Evolution happens.
odinata 6 months ago
@odinata an even funnier fact: i didn't ask for information
giorgiv18 6 months ago
@giorgiv18
Even sadder fact: You don't seem to understand information.
odinata 6 months ago
@odinata a much sadder fact : you don't seem to understand when people want you to fuck off
giorgiv18 6 months ago
@giorgiv18
Even sadder (for you)
DNA works, and we know how.
odinata 6 months ago
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LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
Second thoughts, eh?
Don't blame you.
Biology is established science.
Your religion is based SOLELY on OPINION.
odinata 6 months ago
@odinata My 2nd thoughts came when, after I wrote the reply, I thought I recognized your "name." Sure enough you are on my list of evo YT fans who get into verbal abuse instead of sticking to science & logic. I was going to ask you to provide evidence - not "could have...might...probably...simulation...millions of years ago" - from evo lit that DNA came thru either natural selection or mutations. It's not my opinioin: Without the spin, there is 0 such evidence. But you're on ignore. Bye!
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
Young Earth Creationism has no logic.
Why isn't THAT on your list?
There is no science NOR logic to it.
The evidence for DNA is in a science called Biology--0something which you have NEVER studied....
odinata 6 months ago
@LoricaLady hey, stop replying to this guy. can't you see, he's a troll. he stopped commenting to me as soon as i asked.
giorgiv18 6 months ago
@giorgiv18 My last reply to him was, as stated, my last reply. Yes, I know how he operates. He is one of quite a few evo guard dogs who go from vid to vid attacking those who don't agree with evolution.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@giorgiv18
Even sadder.
Baby Jeebus cries at your foul mouth....
odinata 6 months ago
@odinata are you an atheist dude?
giorgiv18 6 months ago
@giorgiv18
Not at all, dude.
odinata 6 months ago
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@odinata then what do you want from me? are you a troll?
giorgiv18 6 months ago
This video went from good up until 4:08. All of the logic and ration disappeared.
deviIstudios 6 months ago
ANYONE: In response to the statement that Craig Venter created life from nonlife, using a dead cell, this is simply not true. From Science Mag. "...they [Venter's team] describe a stepwise creation of a bacterial chromosome & the successful transfer of it into a [already living, natural!] bacterium, where it replaced the native DNA..." There are other inaccurate comments I could address, but as stated, I shun verbal abuse and usually prefer to ignore the posts of those who use it.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady - lol, verbal abuse is better than being burned at a stake, or tortured until you confess your belief; which was standard fare for those who challenged the Church's authority prior to humanity getting a clue.
Evolution is a biological fact, and if you disagree with it that much I suggest you boycott hospitals when you are sick because much of their technology/science has its foundations in evolutionary biology; and this isn't because of some political choice, it's reality.
bitphr3ak 6 months ago
@bitphr3ak The RCC, a paganized "version" of Christianity, was indeed responsible for10s of millions of deaths, even more than the atheist regimes of China & Russia & many violent pagan religions. That has 0 to do with whether evo is true or not tho. They don't require evolution classes in medical school because it actually does not improve their ability to heal in any way That's the reality. Why don't you try to debunk some of my debunks below. You have so far said 0 of a scientific nature.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
ANYONE: If you see 0 replies to some posters they know they are on ignore for things like personal insults and name calling - and with Brospec even sexual harrasment. Such behaviors are antithetical to the true purposes of science. As can be see in many, many posts below, I am happy to debate as long as true debate is possible, that is where people are civil & objective.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
so why then did flod need 13,6 billion yeas to make it.....thats not highly skilled??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
turdseeker010101 6 months ago
ANYONE: Brospec is one of several folk who follow me (& others) around YT, guard dogging anything said against evolution. They know they are on ignore for personal insults, name calling gross obscenities, false accusations of lying and also, in his case, sexual harrassment. I like to dispel disinformation but only debate where true debate is possible, with those who are civil & objective.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
This scale of numbers is meaningless without a reference. There is a whole universe that, theoretically, is a chemistry lab wherein a scale of this magnitude may find accommodation.
You have no doubt heard about the Mars meteor discovery; the one that is claimed to contain fossil remains of a cellular bacterium? (hint: it isn't recent) Even if the earth isn't big enough a chemistry lab to randomly generate the molecular chains that would form the first "life" on earth, there is a big universe.
DLmadison100 6 months ago
I'm sorry but, I don't consider this to be a good "proof" of Creation. Evolutionists will surely use the same argument I have, and charge themselves with a huge "win" for doing so. (because they have no other victories to claim, if they take the more physical proof seriously.)
Please give this theoretical concept a physical reference, in say miles of surface area, to give it meaning. The universe is pretty huge too.
Thanks
DLmadison100 6 months ago
Wow, I am convinced. This guy is a genius. Legos to prove Creationism. I think this "scientist" will win the next Nobel prize in Science.
It all makes sense, now.
I don't understand and it is to complicated for me figure out so god did it.
That is enough to throw away 150 years of research & discovery as CrEvo has disproved Evolution by using legos.
MrHoolits 6 months ago
Why do "we" need to try all of the combinations? You aren't at all clear. Not to mention the fact that any combinations could occur by the billions every second. And as for preserving the correct combinations, a basic understanding (which you claim to have) of evolution and molecular bio would have your answer, w/o the superfluous add-on of divine agency. And your "20 billion year protein" straw man is a shameless duplicity-- you're better than that.
Ahabite 6 months ago
ANYONE: If you see no reply to any posters here they know they are on ignore for personal insults & gross obscenities. Such behaviors make true debate impossible and are antithetical to the true purposes of science. We all have limited time and I spend mine withi those who are civil & objective.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
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ReptilianFreemason 6 months ago
@ReptilianFreemason Ah too bad. I looked thru your posts, after responding to the 1st one, & was about to reply when I saw your obscene verbal abuse of the man in the vid. For the record, I don't think everything he says is necessarily 100%, but I do take him seriously as he offers a lot of good info in an entertaining way. I have noticed that people who verbally abuse one person will then turn on another - like me for ex. I'm thru with that kind of behavior on YT. Bye!
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
1#
If he is shown to be wrong on so many instances then how can you take anything he says seriously? The man is a fraud, a religious entrepreneur trying to cash in on the uneducated & the credulous. He relies on ignorance & is a purposely misleading, unscrupulous charlatan & i make no apologies for anything i've said about him, i happen to consider reality to be quite important & that fact this excuse of a man is trying to pollute the minds of our children i deem unacceptable.
ReptilianFreemason 6 months ago
@ReptilianFreemason Have you removed the comment you made about the man who made this vid? Kindly let me know.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
Sorry, i did message you to say it's been removed & apologied for offending you.
ReptilianFreemason 6 months ago
@ReptilianFreemason Thank you! I didn't see the post. I have to bow out of this debate until the Sabbath when I will have more time. (Fri. eve to Sat. eve for me.) You leave a lot of posts. There is nothing at all wrong with that but that means replies & re-replies start multiplying like rabbits & I need to attend to some other things. If you see me responding to another poster, he has left fewer posts so I will have time to reply. But I will not be ignoring you - just waiting til later.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
No problem at all, i will continue to answer the posts you've left ready for when you return. Bye for now.
ReptilianFreemason 6 months ago
2#
If you wish to use this as an excuse for being unable to address the evidence i've offered then so be it. I haven't verbally abused you or been rude to you in any way so you have no reason for your actions. I also have no intentions of being rude to you, i simply want an intelligent & rational debate discussing the evidence. Would it make you feel better if i removed the said comment? I'll gladly do so if it means you'll acknowledge the evidence put forth.
ReptilianFreemason 6 months ago
@ReptilianFreemason Okay, if you remove the insult to the person in this vid I will give it one more chance with you. However, after 2 years of debating with evolutionists, in the few instance where a 2nd chance was asked for and given, they went right back to the same pattern of insults after a short time. But we'll see. Plz let me know when/if you removed it. It is hard to look thru all these posts.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
That's fine & i'm sorry that is your experience in debating 'evolutionists'. I have personally found the same when debating creationists but i judge each individual by their own merits & don't tar everybody with the same brush. Hopefully we can keep this civil & both take something positive away from it.
I've deleted the comment & apologies for any offence it's caused you.
ReptilianFreemason 6 months ago
Cnt. The Q is: When do we see life coming from inorganic matter, ever? Historical observations, real data with real sciencem shows that life comes from life period, hence the LAW of biogenesis. So some evolutionists say "We don't deeal with biogenesis." Bull. Darwin's letters poke of it. Miller & Urey tried to prove it. Little children read about it in books on evo. Many call EVOLUTION a religion because it has faith in the unseen - like the primal pond, scales to feather, etc. etc.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
There is an easy explanation for the problem you raise, its called DNA.
DNA has a code with instructions for how to make proteins, DNA molecules make proteins according to the instructions in them.
DNA is self-replicating, that means that it builds new almost identical pieces of DNA which builds the same proteins as the DNA that created it.
Sometimes there are small variations in the DNA molecules and thaths what causes evolution to take place.
god could have created the first DNA molecule.
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Please cite your source, & evolutionary literature is not just fine but preferred, that you feel shows evidence for"small variationis in the DNA...causes evolution to take place." There is 0 evidence that any such chantges build over time on top of one another to create new dna instructions leading to things like fins to feet and scales to feathers etc. (All fossils, of which there are billions & literally tons, show 100% feet or fins or feathers or scales,no inbetweens anywhere.)
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
they change their function and theres tons of evidence...
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng I see your faith. Show me your data, your science. With "tons of evidence" it should not be difficult. All you have to do in fact is tell me what site to Google that shows evidence that small variations in DNA causes evolution to take place. Friend, if you can't support it with your own words, even with citing a site, you really don't understand it. If you don't understand it but defend it anyway, you are operating on faith not science & logic. You can do better.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
all you have to realize is that if something copies itself, the copies with small changes that makes it easier for it to copy itself gets copied more and thus makes for more of those copies and it adds togheter over millions of years.
so if i prove that there occurs small changes in the dna sometimes then i can prove the possibility of evolution.
and if mutations add upp evolution occurs.
you can see that with dogs for example.
The mutations add upp and new breeds develop.
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng "If something copies itself." "If" is not evidence, but conjecture w/o data being presented as data. There is 0 evidence that "mutations add up", 1 building on top of another to leading to needed new instructions for turning a scale into a feather. What the real observable data shows is that Yes there is speciation. But bees stay bees & peas stay peas. Billions of bacteri, algea etc. life forms are having new generations at staggering rates & all stay bacteria, algae etc. Cont.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. You see 0 evo with dogs. They are not even changing their species much less climbing up Darwin's "Tree." No matter how many breeds you get you still get dogs. Every time. "Over millions of years" is conveniently in the unobservable, untestable, repeatable past. Proving small changes occur is easy. Poodles & beagles. Show 1 shred of evidence that anything above the level of speciation has ever happened. Again, the real evidence is saying the exact opposite of evo.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. Adaptation occurs as when new species are created, as when new fish breeds occur. However these are the result of changes within the already existant genes of the animal. Minor gene changes can turn a pet store gold fish into a fancy Japanese type. But in order to turn a fish into a salamander you need new DNA instructions for new lungs, fish to fin, new skin etc. Mutations don't build up and they can't build instructions for previously non existent body parts. Cont.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. In order for a fin to turn into a foot you don't just change an outer shape. You must change the cranial nerves, the cortex so that new instructions are given, & you must build new muscles, lingaments, blood vessels, etc. etc. etc. How are slow changes over time going to be able to coordinate all those changes and synchronously, plus constantly re-engineer the animal as it "evolves"? What good is a nerve, vessel, etc. until its complete & all its connections are complete? Cont.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. Again, the real evidence, the many billionis of fossils, show the exact opposite of what evo claims happened. There are no part fish & part tetrapods, part fish lungs & skin, part feathers etc. They are 1 or the other. For ex. with billionis of nautiloids in the Grand Canyon alone, not 1 shows a spiral that is incomplete, or "evolving" tentacles. All life forms seen are totally complete and suited to their particular little niches in the ecosphere, & 0 are in "transition".
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
im afriad you dont know what youre talking about..
There are part fish part tetrapod animals.
ever heard of tiktaalik?
Its fish with fins that are downward facing, like arms and it could climb up from the water to eat stuff on land and that helped it survive, more food= easier to survive.
slow changes over time is observable, take a look at finches..
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Tiktaalik is 100% fish. Where is any evidence it is part tetrapod? Nowhere. That is based on "simlarities" to this & that, i.e. the usual Correlation Does Not Imply Causation logical fallacy. It is a fish. 100%. It is being used in a very deceptive way not just in verbal descriptons but in art work. Google & find a pic of its fossil. Then Google Melbourne Museum 600 Million Years Tiktaalik. Keep looking at both. Notice anything? The fossil has tiny little frontal fins. Cnt.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cnt.The replica has frontal fins that are about 5X bigger. They're long, strong & bend at the bottom sort of like a foot. They show musculature suitable for raising Tik's huge head up in its great "evolution" to walking on land, musculature nowhere seen in the fossil. The fossil has no back end. How convenient. The artist just fills one in based on evo theory. We see leg like back fins & a tail that is not fish like - i.e. not vertical, but horizontal for easy slide to land. Cont.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. Again, Tik is a fish. It has fish fins that are no way similar to legs - the real fossil, not the "creative" replica. It obviously breathed only water. Notice also the little upward tilt of the nostrils on the replica, suitable for Tik's "evolution" to air breathing. The fossil, again, does not match the replica for the snout is flat withi no upward tilt. Because Tik is a fish. 100%. Look at that fossil. Would you like to be given those little finny bones to walk on? Cnt
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cnt. "Slow changes over time is observable." If you stick to what is observable you will go far in understanding why evolution is not science. We observe that finches beaks change. We do not observe that this is causing them to turn into non finches or in any way is leading them to climb up the "Tree of Life." We observe speciation. Long before Darwin. We observe 200 species of bees. They all stay bees. Mendell showed change over time & bees stayed bees & peas stayed peas. Cnt
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. If you will really look at the evo lit I don't think you will see it actually saying that Tik could climb up from water to eat stuff. They don't usually work that way. They suggest, they imply, they make tentative speculations. For ex. go back to the Melbourne site & see how they use the usual evo buzz words, "...strong rays suggesting [!] that thtey have have [!] been used to prop the animals' body up under water." Speculation presented as evidence is pseudo science.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Cont. Notice also in the Melbourne article that it calls Tik "A lobed fin fish." But then it calls it a fishapod. What is it really? It's a fish. What evidence is there that Tik or any "transitional form" ever had any descendants that are significantly different from itself? None. How do we know it isn't just another of many fish who show great diversity due to the great diversity of niches in the planet earth's biosphere? We don't. There is 0 science with 0 evidence.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
what the hell, you seem to admit that they change over time, what makes it so hard to believe tha they change more given more time?
seems logical.
if something changes a bit during your life , logically it would change alto more during millions of years.
question: Do you agree that a zebra and a horse are difeerent kinds of animals?
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Back "observe." That is scientific whereas "believe" & "seems [!] logical" aren't really. Once more with feeling. We observe speciation. It's been observed for a long time. We also observe that bacterria & algae, which multiply & maike new generations at staggering rates - so we don't need "millions of years to check:- stay bacteria & algae. "Millions of years" is conveniently not testable, observable or repeatable. The fossil evidence shows abrupt appearance & stasis. Cont.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
well we observe new species of bacteria
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng Yes, we do observe new species of bacteria. I believe I have said several times that we observe speciation and that this was observed before Darwin. Do we observe the bacteria becoming non bacteria? No. Re the horse & zebra I am not an expert on them but by Googling I see that they can interbreed - at least some species of zebras can interbreed with horses. Speciation does not lead to upward climbs on Darwin's "Tree of Life" though that is being taught, w/0 data to support it.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady
you know that the family of bacteria is more genetically difeerent than the family of animals.
bacteria turning into non bacteria is like a mushroom turning into an animal.
speciation proves evolution, if speciation exists then theres nothing prohibiting life to split even more, theres no upward climbing, it doesnt work in an upwards climbing kinda way.
a zebra horse hybrid is sterile because zebras and horses are difeerent species. thought they are close enough to breed.
unfad1ng 6 months ago
@unfad1ng If "speciation proves evolution" give details. Give 1 ex. of where a species changed into a different genus & started climbing up the so called Tree of Life. Give me Google references to show where you are getting your info. "There's nothing prohibiting..." Yes there is. To change from genus to species you need new DNA. The informaton in a strand of DNA is more complex than the info in a library. If you are going to say new DNA, new info, is being created, show where & how.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady ‘Evolution of Biological Information’, Thomas Schneider, Journal of Nuclaic Acid Research, Oxford University, July 2000.
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok When we really understand something we can put it into our own words. If you have something to say, please don't just cut & paste a link. Use your words & your mind to say it.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@gamesbok Out of curiosity I did glance quickly at the article. Notice the use of "simulation." With simulation you can turn Cinderella's pumpkin into a carriage. Again, if you can state what this article says, please be so kind as to put it in your own words, showing you really do understand it, and then be prepared to defend it.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady The simulation is only used to show growth rates given certain parameters.
Any system, and I do mean any, showing reproduction, variation and selection will show evolution. Evolution is true because of the meaning of the words, inevitable, a logical necessity, unescapable, a priori true. That all emperical evidence, and I do mean all, supports evolution is only to be expected.
'...glance quickly'. That's willful ignorance,
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok "Certain parameters" is speculative too. There is no system showing evo. There are countless bacteria, algae etc. multiplying generations at staggering rates. When does one ever stop being a bacteria or algae? We are told is that evo happens. What we observe is that it does not. If you want to define "evolution" as "change" which some do, I don't accept that. I want to see evidence anywhere of climbs up Darwin's "Tree." The fossil record shows abrupt appearance & stasis. Cont.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady 'When does one ever stop being a bacteria or algae'? That's easy, slime mold and Volvox, and yes, it has been observed.
The fossil record shows nothing but change. I've worked offshore with Micropalentologists to direct drilling operations. It's the primary method of dating rocks because it shows so much change.
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok You have left too many posts for me to answer at this time. I should probably have time to respond to them on the Sabbath (Fri. eve to Sat. eve for me.)
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady שַׁבָּת שָׁלוֹם
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok I do not read Hebrew though I recognize it. Wish I did & hope to some day. You'll have to stick to English.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@gamesbok Give a Google refereence that if purports to show evidence bacteria turn into mold and Volvox. Don't just say it happened, give backup. Better yet, put it into your own words. Wherever you read that I suggest you re-read it. Look for words like "most likely...probably...would have....millions of years ago" i.e. never really observed anywhere. Fossils show diversity just as living animals do. Diversity only means evolutionary change if there is evidence for evo & there is not.
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady I understand your need to protect your ignorance, but believe me, it's better if you do your own research. To find a Google Reference to Slime Mould and Volvox go to Google and type 'Slime Mould and Volvox.' You shouldn't be so frightened of the modern world.
What do fossils show? They show no fish before the Cambrian. They show no amphibian before the Devonian. They show no mammal before the Triassic, no birds before the Jurassic.
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok I see, like most YT evo fans when presented with pressing requests for actual evidence as opposed to speculation, that you have become personally insulting: "You need to protect your ignorance...You shouldn't be so frightened of the modern world." You shouldn't be so frightened to do what I asked you to do twice, show you understand your references and put your points in your own words using your own mind. I debate with the civil & objective. You're now on ignore. Bye!
LoricaLady 6 months ago
@LoricaLady And you still haven't researched the subject, and now you never will. Why am I not surprised?
gamesbok 6 months ago
@gamesbok You cannot date rocks with any validity. There is no "geologic column" to go by as seen in text books but never in real life since that was just a 19th century construct based on 0 evidence and never found in subsequent world wide digs. Yes you will see diversity, and "change" from one layer to another. But you may very well see a different kind of diversity and change in a different sequence somewhere else in the world. Circular reasoning is used to date rocks. You can Google that.
LoricaLady 6 months ago