Finally, fans of Andy Warhol and the Velvet Underground are brought together with fans of Bob Dylan -TO PISS ON THIS GODDAMN MOVIE !! Actually, it should happened a long time ago. They all liked weed. They should have united against the pushers selling speed. Andy wasn't a villain - just a pasty-faced little twerp who wanted to make money.
@112marian112 It sounds to me like they were just trying to write something that sounds like a VU song for the movie, but I don't believe it's an actual Velvet Underground song. I've never seen the movie, though, so I don't know if they used real VU songs or wrote things for the film.
At least this "Nico" looks like the real one more than the actress who played the same character in The Doors...she looked nothing like her and I dont know how she used to dress but in the doors she looked like some dominatrix hahaha.
And I think that the dress she's wearing in this scene is based on some of the pictures of the band
She looks just like a dumb and slutty blond, who thinks she's cool and rebellious.
And everyone, who has ever listened to an interview with Nico knows that she was a literate and beautiful young woman.
I know this movie is not about Nico, but either you engage a perfect Nico or you don't even let her appear in the movie. Otherwise it is just an insult.
This movie is ridiculous so much crap, Nico is not like what she was, Andy neither... and they couldn't use the original music from the Velvet or Dylan? Ah yes, Bob Dylan is terrible too...
But, the film was not too bad under other aspects...
Ok this movie is a piece of crap. But in some parts I find it very funny how drugged everybody sounds. Like when "Edie" get's her smoke lit she touches the girls face and says "you're so beautiful". And Andy and Nico are such awful knock offs. Nico looks like a little glamor girl from 17 magazine with that crappy red dress on. It's SO AWFUL!!
I feel like this movie really did Andy Warhol justice by making him seem like a superficial douchebag, considering that's exactly what he was. Such an asshole.
I think its supposed to sound like Venus in furs but they probably couldnt get the rights to it, same way they dont use Bob Dylans name but its meant to be him.
@ChildofYouth someone says venus in furs, someone says heroin ........ but this song is non of them. i read all the comments, listened every song but this one is not one of them. i have another version of this film, in that one you can hear the song much longer. i think this song was made only for the movie :(
I actually liked this movie.... The Nico wasn't the best but i find the part with her hitting the tamporine very hyponotic... and the parts after it look like footage from ciao manhatten....
the stiff doing warhol gives off the impression that he learned who andy was 5 minutes before the shoot, the nico here is an insult, and the part with the chick that's supposed to pass off as edie sedgwick is full of errors. aw man and don't even mention that song man, whatta drag this movie
this looks so fucking terrible. thieres so much real footage out thiere on the VU , jhon cale, lou reed, and nico that you have to be insane to watch this fake crap
This is fucking horrible. ANother reason why untalented people should stay away from art completely. The director/producers/actors had no idea what they were getting themselves into, and knew nothing of these people (warhold, Nico, VU) they just took what they saw at face value and bastardized the hell out of the history.
Hey does anyone know the song thats playing in this scene??? Cant find it ANYWHERE! I watched this part with subtitles to see if it would say what song was playing, and it said 'Black Angel's Death Song' by The Velvet Underground, but when I found that song it sounded complelty different. Can anyone help with this dilemma please??
this movie is so embarassingly low budget. why did they even bother to make it? at 0:28 look at all the extras. don't they look suspiciously 2000s? it's like they were too lazy to dress the crowd in 60s garb
Weezer Goes "Underground": Guitarist Brian Bell and drummer Patrick Wilson of Weezer appear briefly in the film as Velvet Underground members Lou Reed and John Cale, respectively. Though Bell and Wilson also recorded a cover of the VU's classic "Heroin," Weezer's official site reports the song did not make it into the final cut of the film (they're still hoping for a spot on a possible soundtrack release). Weezer doing "Heroin"? Guess "Hash Pipe" was just a gateway drug.
I'm also sorry for not mentioning that Warhol said the same thing about Freddy. He wished he'd been able to film Freddy's suicide, right after he died.
"What are they called?" As if Andy Warhol didn't know the name of the band he loved, in which he put his money, etc.. and needed a bimbo version of Nico to remind him... but that's Hollywood for you, i.e: crap. They saw Edie Sedgwick dying in front of them & 30 years later they make ridiculous films about her... Anyway, thanks for posting...
(cause the rest are in youtube and they're not the song). i think the song we're looking for was composed for the movie. posibly it is a reinterpretation of the velvet underground's style.(excuse me for my bad english!!!!!)
i've checked out the whole b.s.o and seems to be one of these : # "I Dream of Jeannie Theme" Written by Richard Wess Performed by Richard Wess Courtesy of Sony Pictures Television, Inc. # "Dinner Date" Written and Performed by Brian Dee Courtesy of 5 Alarm Music, Ocean Ridge Music & Cypress Creek Music # "Blues for Three" Written and Performed by Brian Dee Courtesy of 5 Alarm Music, Ocean Ridge Music & Cypress Creek Music
Come on people its not Venus in Furs. I mean even a baby or an old grandma that doesnt know anything about music knows how to differ these 2. I would really like to know what song this is.
i saw this movie but can anyone clarify for me... was warhol the "bad guy?" & did nico & edie hate eachothe? because the movie shows it as though edie got too famous in a way, warhol got jealous & replaced her with nico and others... yet again i know VU has a songabout edie or something.. so wat was it exactly?
In fact, Nico and Edie were friends before the VU arrived. Andy was told the VU didnt look good on stage. He said, Have Edie sing with them - crazy, because Nico had actually sold a record and Edie couldnt sing. The VU song Femme about Edie is strange. It was Andys idea, but Lou put a lot of anger in it. You wouldnt think Lou and Nico were cruel, but this was really kicking somebody when she was down. I have to think somebody tried to justify it as some kind of tough love.
The song Style It Takes by former VU member John Cale - the lyrics describe an Andy who saw Edie as nothing but an object he could make money with, a girl with good looks from a family that had important connections. If by bad guy you mean criminal, yes, Id say he was one. He hired a 17-year-old girl, high school dropout and problem drinker. Child endangerment.
well ive heard of lou reed talking about 'factory girl' and how it portrayed andy in a way that wasn't him at all. & to me in the movie and is just an ass he uses edie for what he needs her for but then leaves her alone and lost. so i wasn't sure which was accurate.
Everything is simplified. The real Edie originally thought Andy was her friend. At first, she thought he was a shy, sensitive man. The movie's Andy is like a gay robot who won't look anybody in the eye, saying, Look, I'm cold! The real Edie had friends in New York who discouraged her from taking drugs. The self-destructive side of her made the true story complicated. But the basic facts, that she was a very likable and unstable person and that Andy was ruthless, are true.
Please read Warhol's "Popism" book and look over what you just said. By the accounts of every Factory personality (including Warhol), Edie was a spoiled brat. She didn't bathe for days at a time and she was a downright snob to people- she would give you something, but couldn't be done the indignity of someone else borrowing it and then returning it to her. Warhol was no saint, but don't cast him as the opposite either.
Edie Factory Girl by journalist and former Warhol assistant David Dalton. Interviews with Gerard M, Billy N, Ultra, and other Warholites who describe Edie as likeable but self-absorbed.Danny F We were all in love with her (p. 1).Billy: I loved her. She was a brilliant little angel."(p.99). Poor hygiene? Sure, and other behavioral problems with amphetamine psychosis. I won't get into drugs now.
"To study only on side of a dispute is not to study the dispute at all." Martin Luther
I recommend the Drella song "Style It Takes," with John Cale of the Velvet Underground singing about somebody with lots of money, good looks, and connections, and somebody who regards that person as nothing but a business opportunity. It has that old Velvet irony.
That album doesn't hold just that view though. It idolizes Warhol more than it vilifies him. "Hello it's me" has a line that goes "I'm sorry that I doubted your good heart" (not just in reference to when Billy Name was sick- but also to Warhol's personality in general- earlier line: "I thought you were self assured when you acted shy").They were trying to paint a picture with that album, whether from their views at the time or from Warhol's eye ("Small Town").
Forever Changed. (Cale) Thrill, fear of starting art career. Gonna get some work to see me through. Fear doesnt go away. He never stops hustling. Henry Geldzahler will see me through. Edie Sedgwick will see me through. Brigit Berlin will see me through.
Decide for yourself if he was evil. Knowing full-well that the Factory was dangerous for young people, he hired a girl age 17, expelled from school 4 times, problem drinker. Child endangerment. Max: about 10 yrs. in prison.
Warhol hired Edie when she was about 21 (born 1943). And like any lyrics- they're open to interpretation. Warhol depended on his friendships and Edie was one of those friends for a significant period of time (the beginning of "Height of the Factory"). Warhol "hustled" his art and it was often rejected- those people above, they all believed in him (Henry and Brigid were his close friends till the end of his life).
The teen drunk /school dropout was Susan Bottomly - hired after Edie went psychotic, after Andy had stood on the bloody sidewalk where Freddy H had just committed suicide and said to Robert H "I wish Edie would tell us when she's going to commit suicide. We could film it." (Dalton p. 114). When Susan arrived, there had been other suicides. Dalton: "The Factory was a kind of tribe ... The shunned ones came to bad ends ... jumped off balconies, overdosed" (p. 111). Child endangerment.
Also, when we consider that Susan was part of the Warhol operation for two years -during which, she has admitted, she was a problem drinker - we have to ask how many counts of child endangerment Warhol was guilty of.
Not all of the U.S. states regard a person age 17 as a child, but the U.N. says,
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as "every human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child majority is attained earlier.
International was part of it for much longer- She attended the premier of "The Night Porter" with Warhol in '74. But anyways-I hope you realize that your argument has gotten ridiculous. I could keep arguing against it in a number of ways (and if you feel so inclined for me to do so I will), but I'd really like not to; you've pinned Warhol's "Evilness" down to maybe being an enabler for someone who was essentially already an adult and had access to alcohol in other ways.
"Being with Warhol was the best childhood you could have"- John Cale. International Velvet was 17 and came from the modeling world- The Factory didn't make her do anything and if there's one thing Warhol "used" her for- it was for the petty games he sometimes played. Her parents payed for her hotel room and were fully aware that she was perusing a media career. And in regards to the majority of the above: Warhol had a dark sense of humor, no doubt, but that was his humor.
I don't argue that she wasn't liked, but she was also pretty vicious if you ask me- as another Reed song goes "She hits you with a flower" (although you could say the same for Warhol- who actually said that line).
This is youtube- this is my opinion- I think, from what I've read, that Warhol was a better man than what that movie made him out to be and Edie was a bit of a snot. She wasn't the victimized version cast in that movie and Warhol wasn't an evil robot.
The "snot" was raised to hate Jews, gays and blacks. She had a Jewish roommate, gay friends and perhaps black friends, such as Pat H. Did she ever turn away from people? Youve heard of beating the boys off with a stick, havent you? But it's said that she was as nice to the deli people as she was to rock stars. Funny and, at least superficially, sympathetic. "Beauty #2" shows that she was very patient. Difficult at times. Nobody in Dalton says that she was deliberately cruel.
And what source have you read about her besides Dalton? Have you read Brockis? Cale? Warhol? Please- although it may be made out of quotes, one book is not a singular source on a subject.
This movie's actually pretty entertaining and Guy Pierce and Sienna Miller do great jobs in their ROLES (Hayed needs to stick to star wars)- but you really need to take it as essentially fiction. It vilifies Warhol and idolizes Edie when Edie was a real "snob" while Warhol, although having his faults, was a much better person than they made him out to be. I don't think any movie can give the factory justice... ohh well- at least it's exponentially better than those scenes from the doors movie.
I'm going to the find the director and producer of this film and kick them both in the shins. -.- This is the WORST representation of Nico, Andy, and the Velvets.
That girl whoever it is, is a joke. No one can play Nico. If anyone else makes a film in the future about Warhol and crew, just use a life-sized cardboard cut out of the real Nico Or, use CGI technology to bring the real Nico back. I mean what the hell is wrong with people? Obviously this person sounds zero like the real Nico. Even the tempo of her voice is so off. Ughh nothing is sacred anymore.
so i've been reading online that weezer covered heroin by the velvel underground for this movie...and i can't seem to find the song ANYWHERE so maybe it's weezer doing some crazy things. i want this song sooo bad, too.
They make Nico look like a dumb bimbo here.
sweatersandcats 1 week ago
What's with Nico's voice? Did the actress not listen to ANY recordings of what Nico talked like? She sounds pseudo-British and it's way too high.
CalandrielAurealin 1 week ago
lol the crowd in the streets looks so suspiciously early 2000s
nana78748 2 weeks ago
i love you nico
penisus33 2 weeks ago
Like Andy Warhol is such a dumbass that he can't even remember The Velvet Underground's name. What a silly film.
lavieperdu 3 weeks ago
Finally, fans of Andy Warhol and the Velvet Underground are brought together with fans of Bob Dylan -TO PISS ON THIS GODDAMN MOVIE !! Actually, it should happened a long time ago. They all liked weed. They should have united against the pushers selling speed. Andy wasn't a villain - just a pasty-faced little twerp who wanted to make money.
ZenPapageno 2 months ago
So is this movie trying to tell Nicos life? I dont get this movie. It looks kinda dumb.
superlilivanilli 2 months ago
terrible movie...
headundead 2 months ago
what is the name of the song??
112marian112 3 months ago
@112marian112 It sounds to me like they were just trying to write something that sounds like a VU song for the movie, but I don't believe it's an actual Velvet Underground song. I've never seen the movie, though, so I don't know if they used real VU songs or wrote things for the film.
CalandrielAurealin 1 week ago
At least this "Nico" looks like the real one more than the actress who played the same character in The Doors...she looked nothing like her and I dont know how she used to dress but in the doors she looked like some dominatrix hahaha.
And I think that the dress she's wearing in this scene is based on some of the pictures of the band
GeankDOORS 5 months ago
@GeankDOORS I don't think so; the only time Nico ever wore dresses was for photoshoots when she was a model.
xXPinkGoddessXx 2 months ago
song sounds like Berlin and Venus in furs mashup
e6e2e3e1 6 months ago
this movies sucks worse than Nico's singing
fishnets86 6 months ago
@fishnets86 fuck you
nana78748 6 months ago
this movies sucks worse than Nico's singing
fishnets86 6 months ago
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nana78748 6 months ago
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This film is SO bad and inacurate.
solomonmonterrey 6 months ago
What is that song? I'm aware that it sounds like Venus In Furs, but I'm not sure.
Nynns 7 months ago
Everyone involved with this film = LOSER.
gummboote 8 months ago
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This just makes me laugh
JerryGnarcia 9 months ago
This just makes me laugh
JerryGnarcia 9 months ago
what is the name of this song????
cicilla22 9 months ago
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This "Nico" is so incredibly bad!
She looks just like a dumb and slutty blond, who thinks she's cool and rebellious.
And everyone, who has ever listened to an interview with Nico knows that she was a literate and beautiful young woman.
I know this movie is not about Nico, but either you engage a perfect Nico or you don't even let her appear in the movie. Otherwise it is just an insult.
DayMonthYearYear 9 months ago
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DayMonthYearYear 9 months ago
Shit acting.
dirtynuke 10 months ago
This movie is ridiculous so much crap, Nico is not like what she was, Andy neither... and they couldn't use the original music from the Velvet or Dylan? Ah yes, Bob Dylan is terrible too...
But, the film was not too bad under other aspects...
cocococoony 10 months ago
WORST NICO EVER
justnicknet 11 months ago
@justnicknet you should've seen ''nico'' in the doors movie way worser
Love60sMusic 10 months ago 2
Ok this movie is a piece of crap. But in some parts I find it very funny how drugged everybody sounds. Like when "Edie" get's her smoke lit she touches the girls face and says "you're so beautiful". And Andy and Nico are such awful knock offs. Nico looks like a little glamor girl from 17 magazine with that crappy red dress on. It's SO AWFUL!!
Heytrigger 1 year ago
wrong chick to play Nico
gdfan38 1 year ago
bad joke
hermanusaanhuis 1 year ago
I always remember Nico wearing pants....
SkyAllViolet 1 year ago
what's the name of this song called?
giavannag83 1 year ago
Oooooo Edie...you're so wonderful...
henriblasselle 1 year ago
he might have been a superficial asshole, but he was also changed everything about art and was a true genius
CstormCity 1 year ago
@CstormCity I know, I'm not denying that. Just making a statement haha
featheredantlers 1 year ago
I feel like this movie really did Andy Warhol justice by making him seem like a superficial douchebag, considering that's exactly what he was. Such an asshole.
featheredantlers 1 year ago
Siena should do something else now.
Patricklucey5 1 year ago
this movie is so stupid, all the important characters are portrayed as cartoon figures..
Lithiummaxi 1 year ago 4
What movie
DJDansound 1 year ago
The girl who played Nico is awful; Nico did not look arrogant and she did not speak like that.
alfonsodavinti 1 year ago 2
worst nico ever
BrandonG00 1 year ago
I think its supposed to sound like Venus in furs but they probably couldnt get the rights to it, same way they dont use Bob Dylans name but its meant to be him.
juswanaseesomevideos 1 year ago 2
What song is this?
ChildofYouth 2 years ago
@ChildofYouth someone says venus in furs, someone says heroin ........ but this song is non of them. i read all the comments, listened every song but this one is not one of them. i have another version of this film, in that one you can hear the song much longer. i think this song was made only for the movie :(
bittersweet17081987 2 years ago 2
I should see this.
DeeDeeVerlaine 2 years ago
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dearbambii 2 years ago
I want this movie in Brazil!!!
here don´t have...
Dan13rock 2 years ago
The movie is Factory girl with Sienna Miller and Hayden Christensen, they are good perform in the Edie Segdwick and Bob Dylan.
seestern19 2 years ago
what is the name of the movie ?
jorgesk8rock 2 years ago
alguien me puede decir el nombre de la pelicula ????
jorgesk8rock 2 years ago
@jorgesk8rock FACTORY GIRL
cicilla22 9 months ago
shitty blonde wig. shitty portrayl. shitty, exploitive movie. all around SHIT. great job guys:-D
vespergbi 2 years ago
oh they messed up nico never wore dresses when she was with the factory.
taty4ever 2 years ago 29
I actually liked this movie.... The Nico wasn't the best but i find the part with her hitting the tamporine very hyponotic... and the parts after it look like footage from ciao manhatten....
taty4ever 2 years ago 2
I think the song might be Venus In Furs.
NonSaltedTopping 2 years ago
the stiff doing warhol gives off the impression that he learned who andy was 5 minutes before the shoot, the nico here is an insult, and the part with the chick that's supposed to pass off as edie sedgwick is full of errors. aw man and don't even mention that song man, whatta drag this movie
WorldAtlus 2 years ago 10
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taty4ever 2 years ago
wow this film misses out entirely.
jokedout 2 years ago
Use the remaining nukes of the world to deal with this. OMFG!
craptrap 2 years ago
I think the song is made just for this movie
I must say, whatever flaws the movie has, they did a good job of creating the VU sound in this song
luthander 2 years ago 3
this looks so fucking terrible. thieres so much real footage out thiere on the VU , jhon cale, lou reed, and nico that you have to be insane to watch this fake crap
Lucifer986 2 years ago 4
crap
merdailloux 2 years ago
This is fucking horrible. ANother reason why untalented people should stay away from art completely. The director/producers/actors had no idea what they were getting themselves into, and knew nothing of these people (warhold, Nico, VU) they just took what they saw at face value and bastardized the hell out of the history.
modguy1979 2 years ago 3
Hey does anyone know the song thats playing in this scene??? Cant find it ANYWHERE! I watched this part with subtitles to see if it would say what song was playing, and it said 'Black Angel's Death Song' by The Velvet Underground, but when I found that song it sounded complelty different. Can anyone help with this dilemma please??
leezyknoxville 2 years ago 3
I looved this movie. In "factory girl" model/actress/artist Meredith Ostrom play Nico
KingCobra1984 2 years ago
this movie is so embarassingly low budget. why did they even bother to make it? at 0:28 look at all the extras. don't they look suspiciously 2000s? it's like they were too lazy to dress the crowd in 60s garb
ilcourtlesfilles 2 years ago 5
I don't like this film at all....
C41THsithFfVII 2 years ago
Weezer Goes "Underground": Guitarist Brian Bell and drummer Patrick Wilson of Weezer appear briefly in the film as Velvet Underground members Lou Reed and John Cale, respectively. Though Bell and Wilson also recorded a cover of the VU's classic "Heroin," Weezer's official site reports the song did not make it into the final cut of the film (they're still hoping for a spot on a possible soundtrack release). Weezer doing "Heroin"? Guess "Hash Pipe" was just a gateway drug.
neska6txa 2 years ago
I'm also sorry for not mentioning that Warhol said the same thing about Freddy. He wished he'd been able to film Freddy's suicide, right after he died.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
it sounds like venus in furs and heroine mized together and sped up what do u guys think ?
BrandonG10 2 years ago
"What are they called?" As if Andy Warhol didn't know the name of the band he loved, in which he put his money, etc.. and needed a bimbo version of Nico to remind him... but that's Hollywood for you, i.e: crap. They saw Edie Sedgwick dying in front of them & 30 years later they make ridiculous films about her... Anyway, thanks for posting...
kidcalabria 2 years ago 23
You couldn't have said it better.
iwantwatermellon 2 years ago
good point but she does look alot like nico btw nico wasnt a guy was he slash she i hear d that might be true
BrandonG10 2 years ago
i vote its an original recorded for the movie. i can hear nuances of all heroin, venus in furs (drums), and even "i'm set free" (guitar).
crewsvideo 2 years ago 2
oh wow good ears
gocanes93 2 years ago
"I Dream of Jeannie Theme" it's a classic song from a tv serie. so we only got the other two!
neska6txa 2 years ago
(cause the rest are in youtube and they're not the song). i think the song we're looking for was composed for the movie. posibly it is a reinterpretation of the velvet underground's style.(excuse me for my bad english!!!!!)
neska6txa 2 years ago
neska6txa 2 years ago
Come on people its not Venus in Furs. I mean even a baby or an old grandma that doesnt know anything about music knows how to differ these 2. I would really like to know what song this is.
drenqiqi 3 years ago
me to
BrandonG10 2 years ago
The song might not even have a name. The Velvets did a lot of improv/jam stuff in their live shows.
knowfuture22172 3 years ago
I think the song is Heroin. Brian Bell and Pat Wilson of Weezer made a cover of the song for, and appeared in the movie.
ChilliD 3 years ago
it sounds like venus in furs but better version ......... if someone have it send it to me please =)
ediegirlboy 3 years ago
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ediegirlboy 3 years ago
It sounds nothing like venus in furs or all tomorrows parties, if anyone nos the name of the song let me no please
DisapearHere 3 years ago
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DisapearHere 3 years ago
i think a mix of VENUS IN FURS and ALL TOMORROW's PARTIES
SUPERPLYTNT 3 years ago 2
what is the name of this song?? I've been trying to find it
avaadore123444 3 years ago
me too! impossible!
kspocover 3 years ago
i saw this movie but can anyone clarify for me... was warhol the "bad guy?" & did nico & edie hate eachothe? because the movie shows it as though edie got too famous in a way, warhol got jealous & replaced her with nico and others... yet again i know VU has a songabout edie or something.. so wat was it exactly?
daniella9876 3 years ago
In fact, Nico and Edie were friends before the VU arrived. Andy was told the VU didnt look good on stage. He said, Have Edie sing with them - crazy, because Nico had actually sold a record and Edie couldnt sing. The VU song Femme about Edie is strange. It was Andys idea, but Lou put a lot of anger in it. You wouldnt think Lou and Nico were cruel, but this was really kicking somebody when she was down. I have to think somebody tried to justify it as some kind of tough love.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago
The song Style It Takes by former VU member John Cale - the lyrics describe an Andy who saw Edie as nothing but an object he could make money with, a girl with good looks from a family that had important connections. If by bad guy you mean criminal, yes, Id say he was one. He hired a 17-year-old girl, high school dropout and problem drinker. Child endangerment.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago
well ive heard of lou reed talking about 'factory girl' and how it portrayed andy in a way that wasn't him at all. & to me in the movie and is just an ass he uses edie for what he needs her for but then leaves her alone and lost. so i wasn't sure which was accurate.
daniella9876 3 years ago
Everything is simplified. The real Edie originally thought Andy was her friend. At first, she thought he was a shy, sensitive man. The movie's Andy is like a gay robot who won't look anybody in the eye, saying, Look, I'm cold! The real Edie had friends in New York who discouraged her from taking drugs. The self-destructive side of her made the true story complicated. But the basic facts, that she was a very likable and unstable person and that Andy was ruthless, are true.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago
Please read Warhol's "Popism" book and look over what you just said. By the accounts of every Factory personality (including Warhol), Edie was a spoiled brat. She didn't bathe for days at a time and she was a downright snob to people- she would give you something, but couldn't be done the indignity of someone else borrowing it and then returning it to her. Warhol was no saint, but don't cast him as the opposite either.
punkace 2 years ago
Edie Factory Girl by journalist and former Warhol assistant David Dalton. Interviews with Gerard M, Billy N, Ultra, and other Warholites who describe Edie as likeable but self-absorbed.Danny F We were all in love with her (p. 1).Billy: I loved her. She was a brilliant little angel."(p.99). Poor hygiene? Sure, and other behavioral problems with amphetamine psychosis. I won't get into drugs now.
"To study only on side of a dispute is not to study the dispute at all." Martin Luther
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
Get Lou Reed's opinion on the subject on Warhol's gossip. Songs for Drella is a great album, by the way.
"Andy lived with his mother
Collecting gossip and toys."
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
I recommend the Drella song "Style It Takes," with John Cale of the Velvet Underground singing about somebody with lots of money, good looks, and connections, and somebody who regards that person as nothing but a business opportunity. It has that old Velvet irony.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
That album doesn't hold just that view though. It idolizes Warhol more than it vilifies him. "Hello it's me" has a line that goes "I'm sorry that I doubted your good heart" (not just in reference to when Billy Name was sick- but also to Warhol's personality in general- earlier line: "I thought you were self assured when you acted shy").They were trying to paint a picture with that album, whether from their views at the time or from Warhol's eye ("Small Town").
punkace 2 years ago
Forever Changed. (Cale) Thrill, fear of starting art career. Gonna get some work to see me through. Fear doesnt go away. He never stops hustling. Henry Geldzahler will see me through. Edie Sedgwick will see me through. Brigit Berlin will see me through.
Decide for yourself if he was evil. Knowing full-well that the Factory was dangerous for young people, he hired a girl age 17, expelled from school 4 times, problem drinker. Child endangerment. Max: about 10 yrs. in prison.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
It's spelled "Brigid".
Warhol hired Edie when she was about 21 (born 1943). And like any lyrics- they're open to interpretation. Warhol depended on his friendships and Edie was one of those friends for a significant period of time (the beginning of "Height of the Factory"). Warhol "hustled" his art and it was often rejected- those people above, they all believed in him (Henry and Brigid were his close friends till the end of his life).
punkace 2 years ago
The teen drunk /school dropout was Susan Bottomly - hired after Edie went psychotic, after Andy had stood on the bloody sidewalk where Freddy H had just committed suicide and said to Robert H "I wish Edie would tell us when she's going to commit suicide. We could film it." (Dalton p. 114). When Susan arrived, there had been other suicides. Dalton: "The Factory was a kind of tribe ... The shunned ones came to bad ends ... jumped off balconies, overdosed" (p. 111). Child endangerment.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
Also, when we consider that Susan was part of the Warhol operation for two years -during which, she has admitted, she was a problem drinker - we have to ask how many counts of child endangerment Warhol was guilty of.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
Not all of the U.S. states regard a person age 17 as a child, but the U.N. says,
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as "every human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child majority is attained earlier.
- Child in Wikipedia
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
International was part of it for much longer- She attended the premier of "The Night Porter" with Warhol in '74. But anyways-I hope you realize that your argument has gotten ridiculous. I could keep arguing against it in a number of ways (and if you feel so inclined for me to do so I will), but I'd really like not to; you've pinned Warhol's "Evilness" down to maybe being an enabler for someone who was essentially already an adult and had access to alcohol in other ways.
punkace 2 years ago
Sorry for being "ridiculous." Have a nice day.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
"Being with Warhol was the best childhood you could have"- John Cale. International Velvet was 17 and came from the modeling world- The Factory didn't make her do anything and if there's one thing Warhol "used" her for- it was for the petty games he sometimes played. Her parents payed for her hotel room and were fully aware that she was perusing a media career. And in regards to the majority of the above: Warhol had a dark sense of humor, no doubt, but that was his humor.
punkace 2 years ago
I don't argue that she wasn't liked, but she was also pretty vicious if you ask me- as another Reed song goes "She hits you with a flower" (although you could say the same for Warhol- who actually said that line).
This is youtube- this is my opinion- I think, from what I've read, that Warhol was a better man than what that movie made him out to be and Edie was a bit of a snot. She wasn't the victimized version cast in that movie and Warhol wasn't an evil robot.
punkace 2 years ago 2
The "snot" was raised to hate Jews, gays and blacks. She had a Jewish roommate, gay friends and perhaps black friends, such as Pat H. Did she ever turn away from people? Youve heard of beating the boys off with a stick, havent you? But it's said that she was as nice to the deli people as she was to rock stars. Funny and, at least superficially, sympathetic. "Beauty #2" shows that she was very patient. Difficult at times. Nobody in Dalton says that she was deliberately cruel.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
And what source have you read about her besides Dalton? Have you read Brockis? Cale? Warhol? Please- although it may be made out of quotes, one book is not a singular source on a subject.
punkace 2 years ago
This movie's actually pretty entertaining and Guy Pierce and Sienna Miller do great jobs in their ROLES (Hayed needs to stick to star wars)- but you really need to take it as essentially fiction. It vilifies Warhol and idolizes Edie when Edie was a real "snob" while Warhol, although having his faults, was a much better person than they made him out to be. I don't think any movie can give the factory justice... ohh well- at least it's exponentially better than those scenes from the doors movie.
punkace 3 years ago 5
Nico never wore her dress ;-/
ChilliLady 3 years ago 2
I mean, only in her modeling days...
ChilliLady 3 years ago
I'm going to the find the director and producer of this film and kick them both in the shins. -.- This is the WORST representation of Nico, Andy, and the Velvets.
ItsCassieFoo 3 years ago 4
Have you SEEN the doors movie? This is Lawrence of Arabia compared to that.
punkace 3 years ago
it is one of the worst films of all time,
here is what Lou Reed said about it, "It's one of the most disgusting, foul things I've seen - by any illiterate retard - in a long time."
gordak 3 years ago 5
ME TOO i want to know it too, anyone got any ideasssss?
amazingperson5 3 years ago
This is not Venus in Furs, it's totally different.. This is a really good song and I need the name of it!
callergrim 3 years ago 3
poor edie sedgwick good movie about her past lifestyle
xMIssxSallyx 3 years ago
jeez that film looks like a bag of shite.
ronannestor 3 years ago
The girl is terrible. Although the song's great so please, anyone, what-is-the-song's-name?
olgaloza 3 years ago
Venus in furs
juswanaseesomevideos 3 years ago
she's so very much unlike nico.
eeelectricboogaloo 3 years ago 5
what is the name of this song...?
jphoney85 3 years ago
Its called venus in furs
juswanaseesomevideos 3 years ago
hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
51221119 3 years ago 6
this girl is everything, but not nico. i wished they would have cast a german girl.
this girl's not even trying to speak slowly and deep.
ChilliLady 3 years ago 2
ILikeCalliopes 3 years ago 10
@ILikeCalliopes AMEN!
BrandonG00 1 year ago
I love this scene ^^
besidesgreysky 3 years ago 2
Ugh I need to get my hands on that song.
irisapkavala 3 years ago 3
I need the name of this song
jessaonfire 3 years ago 2
anyone know the name of the song...msg me please
bizzwoosh 3 years ago 3
so i've been reading online that weezer covered heroin by the velvel underground for this movie...and i can't seem to find the song ANYWHERE so maybe it's weezer doing some crazy things. i want this song sooo bad, too.
Cattywoman 3 years ago