I have just started to watch this video series. I don't know if I would rely on Wikipedia for anything. I would look for a person who is currently studying the dead sea scrolls before I quoted anything in a Wiki. Deadseascrolls . org Here is a site of an actual Dr. studying them. His claim is our Bible today is 99% accurate to the scrolls. That doesn't match "dramatic differences in both language and content". My only question is 'What if you're wrong?'
@clixx13 The producer of this video linked Wikipedia. Then person who wrote the wiki page pasted a piece out of the Oxford Companion. I don't know that the Oxford is a legit source. Tell me how you know this? If I'm wrong that there is no God, then i just die and become extinct. But if he's wrong then there's God who demands justice. Are you willing to take that risk?
@TheActs837 You do know what Oxford is, right? Oxford University? I really hope you do. Besides, you are also aware that Wikipedia links to sources? Wikipedia itself is not a source. It HAS sources. Which he quoted.
What I believe is not based on what holds the most convenient consequences. Whether or not I would like to "risk" simply ceasing to be, or being judged after I die, one has compelling evidence and one does not. The consequences have no bearing on my belief, only the evidence.
@clixx13 Encyclopedias? From 1996? It's odd that the only place on the internet to find out that Exodus and Samuel are bad copies is the Oxford Encyclopedias. It's even more odd that this wiki writer found the only source with this statement. I have been to Israel and to the museum that houses these scrolls, and I don't remember one plague or label saying that Exodus and Samuel are bad copies. My Encyclopedia Americana, 1963, says the universe is 5-9 bya. but now ScienceDaily says 13.75 bya. o.O
@TheActs837 There are more than two options. What if there's a God, and it's Odin? What if there's a God, and it's Zeus? What if there's a God, and he prefers atheists? What if there's a God who hates humans but loves the inhabitants of Zarquon IV? There are an infinite number of choices between "no God" and "Christian God."
@VonAether There are only 3 possible options. 1. Extinction 2. Reincarnation 3. Heaven/Hell. According to "Two Babylons", Odin, Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, Horus, Cupid, Plutus, Osiris, Tammuz, Muth, Hades, Ninus, Linus, Bacchus and Kamut are all one person. Nimrod. Nimrod was a person who ruled the first Babylonian empire. Therefore, none of the above can be God. We know,via the Bible, that God so loved us he sent his Son to die for us, therefore God loves humans. Where's your proof? Self knowledge?
@DeconversionCentral You do know that everyone(according to the koran) goes to hell unless you're a martyr? Then ali recuses people as he chooses. Please read the koran before you make baseless arguments. Next you are using your imagination to make up you're own rules. Tell me... How do you know your name? Did you just know it? No you have your parents and a birth certificate to reference. Basing arguments on what you feel or think is not a true test of reality. Your "about me" even says this :)
@TheActs837 What are you talking about? I simply showed you have double standards.
Do you believe in Allah and Muhammad, or what ever it decrees for possible salvation in Allah. If you don't, than you are taking the risk, as you accuse others of doing with not accepting Jesus.
I think you are wrong about the Koran too, please give verse, so I can review. If it is true I will admit to it, but this doesn't change the question I ask you or the double standards you have.
What rules am I making? I honestly was only doing what you are doing. Claiming that a person is taking a risk if certain things are true of a certain religion.
My name was given to me, not intrinsic to my being, yeah?
You should re-read what the 'about me' says, you missed some things :)
please link your referenced content in the description. I'm sure people would like to read the mentioned information forthemselves instead of relying on your reputation or Oxford for that matter. In case someone would like to do more research...
Irrelevant to the contradicting content of both the King James Bible and the newly discovered Dead Sea Scrolls, The new untouched orignial copy of the book of Isaiah, (which i might add was removed after the the rewrite of the originial bible, hence the reason we even have it) predicts and dates the existance of the lord Jesus christ! Oh and just for the science, it was through DNA testing we found that the sheeps skin it was written on was dated back to at least 50 years prior to BCE!
@thicky I'm not discrediting your experiences, I'm discrediting the common argument that because something in the Bible is true, therefor everything is true. This is not a standard any reasonable person would apply to any text. The better standard is "because the Bible contains crazy magic uncorroborated stuff, it is not a historical record in the modern sense, in spite of containing some actual history."
I don't understand the obsession with this venomfangx guy - yet there are rebuttals to him all over youtube. He's just another obnoxious ignorant idiot.
i dont get this guys point. neither is he saying where he is reading from. if he wants to say that the material from the dead sea scrolls is fallacy you still have to deal with loads of oher material and authors that coroborate events that are historaical fact in nature. picking a few elements form scrioture and then saying its false cos U dont see the evdence is not enough 2 discredit the scriptures as a whole. wut kind of case r u making? laawyers dont evn do this when makin a case.
@thicky Nowhere in the video did he say the material is 'fallacy'. It was quite simple what he was saying, and that was that the Dead Sea scrolls do not match the Masoretic texts word for word.
@thicky Sure, there are plenty of historical facts in the Bible - real places, real people, some real events. Does that mean that *everything* is real, including the crazy uncorroborated magic parts? Surely you wouldn't apply such an absurd standard to any other collection of writings. Have you never seen a UFO "documentary". They're half fact and half fantasy, just like the Bible.
@eventhisidistaken again my more pertinent statement is. becasue you dont see the evidence is not enof 2 discredit material. besides the bible is not that kind of book 2 jump in and out of when u want 2 prove mans idea of physical evidence. the material in it can be used 4 corroborating certain historical things on a human level but on a spiritual level it goes much deepr. u cant discredit someones experiences bcause u have not had it or u think it not true based on ur own human opinion.
i dont have a problem with miracles and supernatural stuff happning there is enough material 2 suggestthat that almost anything is posible in the spernatural level, if a person was to lend himself that space of plausibility
@revjimbob i should rephrase that. anything is possible supernaturally. "butnot in reality" thats the point of supernatural it surreal. its not suppose to appear like something that can actually happen in real. thats why it defies all logic. but because the entire world is not open to this thought it becomes non real. for who? what about the ones whohavehad experiences and can testify of it. we cant discedit there experiences bcos u r bias 2 it.
@revjimbob how unreal is a child molester. if it did not happen 2 u its unreal. i cant picture that hapening but it happens. although its not a supernatural occurence it does bring my point that one persons experience does not discredit their testimony of it having happened just becasue you dont see it as possible.
@revjimbob if course its dumb/stupid caus you dont understand it. threfor to u its not real. you just proved my point. nevermind the analogy voltaire, its the principal of the believing factor and the unbeliving i want to draw on. hence why you find it stupid. of course something you dont nderstsnd is stupid but it does not mean there is no validation in the claims of those who do understand and express clearly the experiences.
You use what seem to be sensible words, but they make no fucking sense.. I am pretty tolerant of commenters who don't slavishly follow the rules of grammar or spelling, but if you are trying to make some kind of sophisticated point, take your time and explain it properly instead of venting fucking word-salads.
I'll try to answer one point:
"how unreal is a child molester. if it did not happen 2 u its unreal."
@revjimbob your answer again conflicts your idea of 'not in reality' whcih is wht led to my comment. if the supernatural is reality to ppl that hv experienced it why wld you say 'it belongs in a fantasy . u see how silly you sound now voltaire. your realities dont dictate other ppl truths and experiences. how conceivable is a guy levitating in thin air or having out of body experience etc? it hapens in the real world and i am not talkin bout no magic trick either.
@thicky if you have no credible argument for the supernatural existence of things its best to say is 'no comment' bcause you cant speak against something you have no experience of your own on. u r just claiming fantasy bcause its beyond mans rational and thats the point of the supernatural. it is beyond our natural existence. thats why we can say it exist becasue we see that it happens. its not fantasy. agn not my fault if you cant grasp the language
Sorry, mate - I gave you the opportunity to try to debate but instead you retreat further into your incomprehensible pidgin. If you can't be bothered making an effort to be understood, I'm fucked if I am going to waste my time trying to decipher what the hell you are trying to say.
The dead sea scrolls confirmed the masoretic texts. There are masoretic texts in 1 Samuel and others that were known to be corrupted before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The DSS merely confirmed the corruption of those texts and provided an earlier manuscript to correct those texts.
Exodus and Samuel? What about The Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremia, Ezekial, Zachariah, and Daniel. These are the books of prophecy, many of which have come true.
Exodus and Samuel have little or no prophecies in them.
In an article for Infidels, Jim Lippard says "every case of alleged fulfillment of messianic prophecy suffers from one of the following failings: (1) the alleged Old Testament prophecy is not a messianic prophecy or not a prophecy at all, (2) the prophecy has not been fulfilled by Jesus, or (3) the prophecy is so vague as to be unconvincing in its application to Jesus." Name one specific prophecy that has come true.
We can never convince a person of faith... It's an uphill battle... I personally don't believe to fairy tales and magic bullshit cuz I have intelligence. But hey faith is faith and faith is blind... And dumb. And ignorant... And it fuck up everything in the world
Im sorry for you son....you must have been in a church where people faked it...and you saw the hypocracy..and ran...dont really blame you....and i truly understand. But it looks like you really wont listen to anything i might say to ...convince you to seek thebtrue God....not some BS religion. Good luck son
E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), other great writings are by Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', For sceptical Bible scholars try Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Victor J Stenger, Robert M Price, Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Richard Carrier, David Mills, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
There is only one complete book of the old testament in the dead sea scrolls. It is the book of Isaiah and it predates all other copies by 1100 years. 1100 years and guess what? Same.so much for fluid. Pawned yourself.
Remember, the Catholic Church had 1000 years to pick and choose what they wanted in and out of the Bible. This is why the big coverup of the scrolls. What if it came out that they altered the Bible to suite their own agenda? Since 1962 the church has been issuing encycicals to bring its doctrine more in line with the early church. They've got a long way to go!
I don't really care about the Old Testament. It's such a heap of crap that it's hardly worth faulting any more. Not that I'm saying that the New Testament improves on the old heap of crap to any significant degree, besides making the violence, sexual abuse and homophobia opt-in, instead of compulsory.
I don't agree with either of you. To append and assert to someone else who is obviously misguided, and you also are that due to your source. The Oxford blah blah blah editorial paperback is the wrong move. You must go directly to the source, and view it yourself. ALas that is not attempted here..so both Fail. Straight facts.
It's really pathetic and sick to see so many people defending any historical texts as actual facts, when in truth, much get lost in translation and intepretation... NOT ONLY THAT, there is an old saying that goes ' those who conquer the land writes history' and this means that there is and will always be a bias, distortion and agendas behind such publications!
Whether the bible was written 10 years ago or 10,000,000 years ago doesn't really make much difference. It's still a book of fairy tales and countless examples of immorality.
@Rationalwon It makes a difference to an orphan who is being take care of by christian missionaries who base there belief on the bible. Of course the bible is full of examples of people fucking up -> Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
Fairytale? I would say a wise plan to end hate and conflict.
A living example of this way of doing life is Mossab Hassan Yousef.
Even if modern OT was word for word the same as the "Dead Sea Scrolls" it wouldn't begin begin to validate anything about it apart from the fact it has a lengthy following.
@wa4aos , Eh, he is making fun of venomfangx's obsession with his hair (the guy he is debunking in above vid). "What substantive information or original thought do you produce???? "
1) He is showing that venomfangx is either lying or is sadly misinformed. 2)Why don't you go check out his other vids.
Love the 'Why I'm no longer a Christian' series, though I found it a bit difficult to concentrate due to your voice being so damn sexy.The last ten secs of this one*, damn you did it again. *reminds me of James Spader in 'Secretary'
By the way.. in case someone missed it. .that guy said they were discovered in 1948.. that was wrong.. they were discovered in 1947. AND on top of that they are not originals but Paraphrased BY .. who else ? Enemies of Christianity ? yes.. the Muslims. Figure that one out. Heck, even the USA put them up for Auction in 1991. Most people miss this .. And they wonder why God is not answering their prayers.. lmao.. Pwnd. :-)
Christian Memo: I published a study on Christianity in prison. 98.72 % of violent offenders are 'saved', accepting Jesus as personal savior. Prison Ministers/Chaplin tell all saved inmates they are forgiven and are going to heaven. The violent offender recidivism rate is 87 %. 78% of violent street crimes are committed by a criminal with previous penal contact. So, if you are the victim of a violent crime there is greater than a 75% chance that a Christian did it. Nice.
@CynicalCatharsis Neither do religion in my area-- we've tried to get help from our community leaders-- atheists are the only ones who wouldn't budge-- no one gets credit. The food is prepared by the homeless in trade for shelter, supervised by the local police, and there is no church presence at all... a bunch of atheists using services donated by believers. And I can guarantee-- if we get slapped with a power grid outtage like Nasa warns, a whole bunch of atheists will lining up...
The Dead Sea scrolls belonged to a Jewish sect which split from the central dominance of the Temple of Solomon and its Rabbi's. They advocated purity and seclusion.
If anti-theists and anti-Christian revelers like this young man would focus their energy on finding ways to replace the humanitarian efforts that churches bring to society then it would soften the blow for change. I don't see that happening all too soon-- so for the time being, churches are and will continue to be needed.
This guys work had been so important to me that I have become an ex-christian and renouced my 40 years of being a good catholic. I went though what he documented and explained...I just did it because he went first. Thanks for setting me free. I am now 100% Fairy-Tale Free as they say!
@AtheistSongs That's because if you were a "good Catholic" you never were a Christian! This guy's statements are typical of those who hear what they like and repeat it, never bothering to get enough info to know what they're talking about.
HOW does "The Oxford Companion to Archeology" know that Exodus and Samuel in the dead sea scrolls are not accurate to the verses in the bible? Is Oxford PERFECT in knowledge all of a sudden??? Is western civilization NEVER wrong???
@starsheild7 There is a very clear and simple answer. This is not opinion or conjecture. It has to do with languge itself. If I were to write they way people spoke in midevil times for example, I would be witing to you saying - Ye hearish me O my wench, thoust not be so feeble of mind...etc. You get the idea. So today I write like this...but what cant happen is someone in midevil times writing like this becasue it didn't exist yet. So there are the same ligusitic varriants in the scrolls..
@AtheistSongs Get it now? I can fake old language but old records can't fake futrue language...do you get this? The records was a mix of a 1000 years of changes in lingustics...therefore it MUST of had multiple authors of a span of time written for a myriad of intent.
@AtheistSongs I guess if it's a translation issue then it is most likely that Exodus and Samuel are really accurate to the dead sea scrolls, maybe the Oxford companion to Archeology mistranslated the dead sea scrolls then.
Oh gosh, I found you through your narrated videos first. I didn't know you'd be so attractive :) But anyway, you're doing a great job raising awareness; I can't tell you enough just how important your work is, in a world where hatred, violence, and intolerance take root in ignorance.
my goodness you are reading something and believing it, and expecting others to believe it too. right? thats faith! can you read hebrew or greek? can you date the anchient text? no, but you will trust someone who says they can. so at this point, that article you read could be wrong just like you say the bible is wrong. dont you understand that everything you think you know can be wrong. you think our faith is weak. look at you!
@TheHumanbeingHuman the human consciousness is waking up because religion has to many holes in it, i was a christian for 20yrs, sorry my friend but that's the way it is
@scudster69 What exactly is waking them up? articles? science books? books, youtube and the internet? this is your truth? what discoveries have you made personally? how many laws/theories/concepts are found in this awakening information that you just accept to be truth because enough people agree. im not saying their findings are wrong. but their conclusions are a bit ahead of them selves. no one can conclude there is no God with what we know now. and show me the holes inthe bible i welcome you
@scudster69 I fully support this awakening! I love it and see so much optimism in seeing religion go down the drain. I believe you should keep some pricipals along with it, which we will cause its common sense now, but to hell with religion (haha). Im 24, I was christian up until I was 23.
@scudster69 it's a leaking boat nobody has bothered fixing? yes, why? because people don't want God. pretty simple, why? it's just natural. why? why want to be just like animals? I don't think that it's worth it to just abandon ship when all it needs is some good hard work.
For the record there is a little more to it than just GOD
That being the reason for Jesus's excistance "Dieing for our sins"
Science may appeal to have the upper hand on explanations but at the end of the day when im holding a gun to your head there is no doute yout gonna fall to your knees and pray to god i dont put bullet through your skull.
@natos18 i made that statement based on the beliefs he seems to have to pretty much show that he wishes to break his own moral law and go to "hell" with all the athiests he seemingly wants to kill.
It doesn't matter if the dead sea scrolls matched the old testament scripture or not. The point is, are you going to believe ancient text to be inspired or written directly by God, just because it's too old to be verified to be true? There were no magic people "empowered by God" (prophets, Moses & Jesus) 2,000+ years ago, just like there are no magic people today. People told stories that became legend and were eventually written to be "sacred" despite no way to tell fact from fiction.
Wikipedia is a source now? That's cool...too bad it can be edited with Amy random bs...but yeah cool source man
And if exodus and Samuel were the only books you say were not accurate...then why don't you believe god exists? Since it does say that in the rest of the bible and you didn't deny that the other books were not true
Man you really gotta check your sources hahaha you cant believe everything you see on the internet. This "oxford companion to archeology" that you talk about was never involved with the dead sea scrolls nor was it ever interested in the dead sea scrolls. There was only man from the oxford companion to archeology who looked into the dead sea scrolls and he believed to find a difference but was later proven wrong. Check your sources before you make another video!!!!!!!!
Sorry, but the copying of the texts of the Torah in scrolls existing in synagogues has been taken very seriously for centuries and centuries with the objective of avoiding "fluidity". There is a tradition in that and much effort to assure no letter is changed. Take a more serious study on this. As for the Dead Sea Scrolls I cannot say the same because they were not texts (scrolls) used in synagogues or religious services.
@sklorbit well, im not jesus christ, so its hard to say what he would. people are stupid and dont care about each other anymore and it pisses me off. people dont educate themselves anymore. we have become a society of take take take take. so forgive me if i wish things were different.
@TheAngryarchangel "its hard to say what he would" Turn the other cheek. Forgive thy neighbor. And all that other shit that THE BIBLE ITSELF claims as Jesus' teachings about love and forgiveness.
"people are stupid and dont care about each other anymore" And no evidence to support this generalization that includes EVERY PERSON. Additionally the LESS STUPID that one becomes, the MORE CARING they tend to become. :P
"it pisses me off" Then make an effort to fucking change things.
"people dont educate themselves anymore" So says the one wishing THOSE WHO DO EDUCATE THEMSELVES TO HELL. So which is it? Do you want people to educate themselves and hence suffer eternal punishment or remain ignorant and bigoted, make you more mad, and at best destroy any chance for things to get better?
@onijester56 sorry i struck a nerve, but i think you would agree that things should be better. jesus was not the meek, turn the other cheek kind of guy we were led to believe.
If you choose a path, walk it with pride and never let anyone make you change your mind. But also, don't you dare to make someone change theirs that they have chosen to walk. Use your intelligence, that would be your true gift from your gods, whatever name you choose to call it.
And I'm pretty sure that there are many others that hint to the same general story line as those listed above. I'm not an expert in theology by any means, but please read, research, and learn for yourself when it comes to religion and spiritualism.
Well, please tell me who the hell Krishna was .. Please explain the story of Isis and Horus. These are even earlier than Christ. Other people that came before he did and had similar lives but all in different cultures and so there are a few differences as far as cultural standards go, but the overall is the same. I'm not saying that I don't believe in God, but I'm also a physicist, and my intelligence urges me to question those stories and information. And I'm pretty sure that there are many o
Okay, first of all .. To the humans that keep referring to God as "he" and "him", please stop. Second of all, to those humans that keep preaching about Christ, stop. I'm not saying he isn't possible, just that there are many flaws here, especially in the bible. And quite possibly communication errors. I for one believe that Christ was real, and a damn good guy. But will I ever pray to him = negatory, chicken nuggets.
Let me first say this .. Christ was supposedly the embodiment of God on earth
I can give you extreme evidence for the opposite side from scholars. although it may not match word for word but the content in terms of meaning is exactly the same. If you say otherwise give me some actuall observable examples not just some letter of a scholar who thinks he knows it all.
even if there are differences you will be sure to find the verses written hundreds of years before Christ Predicting his events. And there is literally loads upon loads of evidence for Christ.
@Gaaminator christ himself is a copy of many other earlier gods like horus and krishna, if you think your book is different from even earlier religions you will find many similarities with early egyptian religion
@youmom80000 The Reason we know Christ exists is because multiple people witnessed him and wrote about him and most historians acknowledge his existence. Jesus was without a doubt a real historical person what you have to decide is what kind.
@Gaaminator The only reference to Jesus (outside of bible "scholorship") is a disputed one written by the historian Josephus, and most historians agree that the jesus he was documenting was not at all the jesus in the bible because he never mentions him being supernatural in any way and claimed he had a brother named james, which contradicts the bible, so unless mary wasnt a virgin then he wasnt documented
@youmom80000 Who cares if its biblical or non biblical? why should that be a difference whether it just happens to be in the Bible or not?
And actually that wouldn't contradict the Bible, Jesus did have a half brother and Mary wasnt a virgin her whole life...
To your other comment 50-100 is actually a very short time by historical standards and it is still just as reliable as any account of Julius Caesar or any other ancient historical character.
What a load of garbage.! You find a few variations in only a few books from 39 and your false video forgets that the rest is over 95% accurate. What you ignored that fact didn't you?. What a useless argument. Either way it doesn't change the theme of the Holy bible. Your attempt is very desperate and holds no value amongst scholars.
@amanwithdreams I see your point, but doesn't the mere fact that the accuracy rate is 95% and not 100% completely destroy the idea of the divine infallibility of the text?
God isn't only 95% perfect, is He? Couldn't He have intervened in order to preserve His Word to the letter?
@orbicularbanana NO it's still serves it's purpose. The corruption of "human" culture and language through sin has not thwarted God's work of inspiration or rendered it inadequate. God is perfect, man is not. The Scripture, having been given by divine inspiration is infallible, so that far from misleading us, it is true and reliable in all the matters it addresses.
@amanwithdreams I don't understand how you can admit a 5% inaccuracy rate and then turn around and call it infallible.
It's not a question of the consistency of the themes addressed. I have no doubt that modern scriptures are thematically consistent with the Dead Sea Scrolls. The issue is that ANY inaccuracy (regardless of the content of that inaccuracy) in the final product is irrefutable evidence of the fallibility of that product.
@orbicularbanana Please remember when God passed down his words of inspiration, these words are infallible. You are confusing the two. Man is fallible therefore mistakes are possible, especially when coping texts over centuries. When we say the Bible is infallible, it is in reference to as I stated earlier God's teaching and words originally spoken. The only evidence you have is that MAN has made some error, but not God. Please note there is a total of 31,173 verses in the Bible.
@amanwithdreams I understand the argument that you're making, but the central problem is that basically we're saying that God entrusted His infallible word to people He knew would adulterate it in the future. In other words, He gave his word to ancient peoples who He knew would pass a fallible version of that word down to their descendants. Why not, being omnipotent, oversee the copying process to eliminate any errors?
@orbicularbanana Yes, but you are trying to get into Gods head. We don't have all the answers as to his processes, but it could be that by going through man (prophets) faith can be achieved. Everything God does is for a purpose, whether we see it or not. At the end of the day, the errors are minuscule in the whole context of the Bible. The ball is red instead of blue, it doesn't change the main body of context and understanding of the Bible. You are picking a needle in a haystack.
@orbicularbanana That is a great question, remember the Bible is for Study and God is the ultimate teacher. God has shown himself to us. but he does it in different ways with different people. First of all, God showed himself in the person of Jesus Christ long ago. And even then when Jesus, who was God in flesh walked among people, many denied who he was. So even though God showed himself in the person of Jesus, people wouldn't recognize who he was. ....
@orbicularbanana This question is also a bit subjective, he shows himself to Christians in ways that Christians understand. Take, for example how a particular Christian might have a problem with a particular sin and he has been praying about it, asking God to give him strength to resist. Then, inexplicably he might encounter several people in a very short period of time who talk to him about that exact issue. They may not know he has that issue, but they address it very specifically.
@orbicularbanana Another way that God reveals himself to us is through the conviction of our heart. God wants us to search for him and through the BIble has revealed himself through his word. The Word tells us 'Seek and ye shall find'. Not, 'you might find'. If one is TRULY seeking, he will find God, and when he does, there will be no question of if he's the 'right one'.
@orbicularbanana Having found Him, they will never be the same. Their life will be changed. And that, really is the key in knowing. A true change of heart. That's something that dead prophets and blocks of wood and stone cannot accomplish. Unless you have an open heart and an open mind to the possibility of God existing, you will never see or find God. Last point we see God in all of creation. The Bible attests to his creation.
@amanwithdreams So the bible is solid evidence that the bible is real. Sorry to tell you, but it doesn't work that way. Nothing else other than the bible will ever prove the bible is real. There is no god.
@totallymargeaux NO you are not listening. Bible study will lead you to the truth, the Bible to any non-believer as yourself is just another book, right? So it's in it's study of scripture that we learn the truth. I can send you great information on proofs that have been discovered, making the story of the Bible true. Archaeological finds from stories in the Bible.
@amanwithdreams The bible is not real. No matter how many times you try to tell yourself it is, it is NOT true. The only people who will tell you it is real are other christians only because they want to believe the same thing as you.
@totallymargeaux That's your opinion, based on how much study? The Holy Bible, whether you agree or disagree is real to many. You can choose to believe what you wish, but I very much doubt you have spent years researching. You are just another somebody, stating an opinion, based on no research, appart from the garbage that's on the web. I offered you facts, which you ignored.
@amanwithdreams Harry potter attests to wizards and flying broomsticks, the bible is not a source of fact it is a book written way before any scientific methods were around, everyone was uneducated and could not explain why things happened like we can now, so they invented an answer to everything so nothing would scare them as much
@youmom80000 You obviously have no understanding of literature nor history. They really didnt have many fiction writers back then paper and ink was very expensive and people could not afford to waste time with "fiction" If you want to claim they are lying then you would have to find a motive.
And actually we cant explain why things happen on our own, we can explain how things happen, But not necessarily a reason. Other than coincidence, But if god exists then there should be none.
@Gaaminator you obviously dont know how the game telephone works, the new testament was written between 50-100 years after jesus died, leaving time for real observations to be twisted and falsified. also the bible was edited by byzantine priests for awhile, so i may have been a big upfront with the fiction theme but even if it was true at one point, it is more likely more fiction at this point
@orbicularbanana Let me put it another way. The word "inspiration" means "God breathed." Therefore, when we say that the Bible is inspired, we are saying that it is authored from God, that God moved through the personality and abilities of the biblical writers in such a way that what they wrote WAS without error and was correct in all that they addressed.
@orbicularbanana The process of inspiration was not a mechanical dictation where the apostles heard a voice and wrote down what they heard. Nor does it mean that they went into some sort of a trance and God wrote through them without their knowledge. Instead, the writers were free to write what they wanted as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
@orbicularbanana In fact, the writings reflect the personality and style of the various writers. Yet, the personality and style of the writers did not degrade the quality or authority of the biblical writing. Because the Bible is inspired, it is also inerrant. This means that the Bible is without error, in the ORIGINAL documents and that everything that it addresses is without error in fact or understanding.
Realize what you are doing is simply believing one source over the other.
Have you compared the variants yourself?
Even if you cannot read the language you can put the texts side by side and compare like such.
Granted we all probably take certain things for granted, but if we are going to speak authoritatively on something we owe it to our audience to be as informed as possible.
Do you remember the link where you got this information? I believe you but I just wanna read it and use the link as a source for my statement in a debate I am having.
Don't know why your comment was removed, but anyways:
"This doesn't necessarily prove Islam,"
You're 100% right. All I'm saying is that the claim the the Bible is corrupted, which is a viewpoint Muslims support, is proven here (at least in the OT half). I just meant that "Muslims were right" about the Bible being corrupted. I can't go further than that.
You know your opinion is misinformed when even an wikipedia article can set you straight.
UnionGarside 6 days ago
you look better with the Saturday morning hair tbh.. :D
Carnage2K4 3 weeks ago
I have just started to watch this video series. I don't know if I would rely on Wikipedia for anything. I would look for a person who is currently studying the dead sea scrolls before I quoted anything in a Wiki. Deadseascrolls . org Here is a site of an actual Dr. studying them. His claim is our Bible today is 99% accurate to the scrolls. That doesn't match "dramatic differences in both language and content". My only question is 'What if you're wrong?'
TheActs837 4 weeks ago
@TheActs837 Who quoted Wikipedia? He quoted the Oxford Companion to Archaeology. I would say that's a legitimate source.
And, wrong about what? And what if YOU are wrong?
clixx13 2 weeks ago
@clixx13 The producer of this video linked Wikipedia. Then person who wrote the wiki page pasted a piece out of the Oxford Companion. I don't know that the Oxford is a legit source. Tell me how you know this? If I'm wrong that there is no God, then i just die and become extinct. But if he's wrong then there's God who demands justice. Are you willing to take that risk?
TheActs837 2 weeks ago
@TheActs837 You do know what Oxford is, right? Oxford University? I really hope you do. Besides, you are also aware that Wikipedia links to sources? Wikipedia itself is not a source. It HAS sources. Which he quoted.
What I believe is not based on what holds the most convenient consequences. Whether or not I would like to "risk" simply ceasing to be, or being judged after I die, one has compelling evidence and one does not. The consequences have no bearing on my belief, only the evidence.
clixx13 2 weeks ago
@clixx13 Encyclopedias? From 1996? It's odd that the only place on the internet to find out that Exodus and Samuel are bad copies is the Oxford Encyclopedias. It's even more odd that this wiki writer found the only source with this statement. I have been to Israel and to the museum that houses these scrolls, and I don't remember one plague or label saying that Exodus and Samuel are bad copies. My Encyclopedia Americana, 1963, says the universe is 5-9 bya. but now ScienceDaily says 13.75 bya. o.O
TheActs837 2 weeks ago
@TheActs837 There are more than two options. What if there's a God, and it's Odin? What if there's a God, and it's Zeus? What if there's a God, and he prefers atheists? What if there's a God who hates humans but loves the inhabitants of Zarquon IV? There are an infinite number of choices between "no God" and "Christian God."
VonAether 2 weeks ago 2
@VonAether There are only 3 possible options. 1. Extinction 2. Reincarnation 3. Heaven/Hell. According to "Two Babylons", Odin, Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, Horus, Cupid, Plutus, Osiris, Tammuz, Muth, Hades, Ninus, Linus, Bacchus and Kamut are all one person. Nimrod. Nimrod was a person who ruled the first Babylonian empire. Therefore, none of the above can be God. We know,via the Bible, that God so loved us he sent his Son to die for us, therefore God loves humans. Where's your proof? Self knowledge?
TheActs837 2 weeks ago
@TheActs837
Perhaps the true hell is the Muslim hell, are you willing to take that risk?
Perhaps the true test is to be a good person without god, and the test is not to fall for this religious propaganda?
I think you have been shown the door, don't let it hit you on the way out. Come back if you want to be shown the way out again.
p.s. Leaving and walking out that door, is a good thing, now go deal with the real non-godly world.
DeconversionCentral 1 week ago
@DeconversionCentral You do know that everyone(according to the koran) goes to hell unless you're a martyr? Then ali recuses people as he chooses. Please read the koran before you make baseless arguments. Next you are using your imagination to make up you're own rules. Tell me... How do you know your name? Did you just know it? No you have your parents and a birth certificate to reference. Basing arguments on what you feel or think is not a true test of reality. Your "about me" even says this :)
TheActs837 1 week ago
@TheActs837 What are you talking about? I simply showed you have double standards.
Do you believe in Allah and Muhammad, or what ever it decrees for possible salvation in Allah. If you don't, than you are taking the risk, as you accuse others of doing with not accepting Jesus.
I think you are wrong about the Koran too, please give verse, so I can review. If it is true I will admit to it, but this doesn't change the question I ask you or the double standards you have.
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What rules am I making? I honestly was only doing what you are doing. Claiming that a person is taking a risk if certain things are true of a certain religion.
My name was given to me, not intrinsic to my being, yeah?
You should re-read what the 'about me' says, you missed some things :)
DeconversionCentral 1 week ago
please link your referenced content in the description. I'm sure people would like to read the mentioned information forthemselves instead of relying on your reputation or Oxford for that matter. In case someone would like to do more research...
LLThenu 1 month ago
Irrelevant to the contradicting content of both the King James Bible and the newly discovered Dead Sea Scrolls, The new untouched orignial copy of the book of Isaiah, (which i might add was removed after the the rewrite of the originial bible, hence the reason we even have it) predicts and dates the existance of the lord Jesus christ! Oh and just for the science, it was through DNA testing we found that the sheeps skin it was written on was dated back to at least 50 years prior to BCE!
shogunzoz 1 month ago
You actually said "pwned"? Ah, that just seems unlike you. I mean, I don't really know you but , yeah.
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@thicky I'm not discrediting your experiences, I'm discrediting the common argument that because something in the Bible is true, therefor everything is true. This is not a standard any reasonable person would apply to any text. The better standard is "because the Bible contains crazy magic uncorroborated stuff, it is not a historical record in the modern sense, in spite of containing some actual history."
eventhisidistaken 2 months ago
I don't understand the obsession with this venomfangx guy - yet there are rebuttals to him all over youtube. He's just another obnoxious ignorant idiot.
eventhisidistaken 2 months ago
i dont get this guys point. neither is he saying where he is reading from. if he wants to say that the material from the dead sea scrolls is fallacy you still have to deal with loads of oher material and authors that coroborate events that are historaical fact in nature. picking a few elements form scrioture and then saying its false cos U dont see the evdence is not enough 2 discredit the scriptures as a whole. wut kind of case r u making? laawyers dont evn do this when makin a case.
thicky 2 months ago
@thicky Nowhere in the video did he say the material is 'fallacy'. It was quite simple what he was saying, and that was that the Dead Sea scrolls do not match the Masoretic texts word for word.
MythicalManMoth 2 months ago
@thicky Sure, there are plenty of historical facts in the Bible - real places, real people, some real events. Does that mean that *everything* is real, including the crazy uncorroborated magic parts? Surely you wouldn't apply such an absurd standard to any other collection of writings. Have you never seen a UFO "documentary". They're half fact and half fantasy, just like the Bible.
eventhisidistaken 2 months ago
@eventhisidistaken again my more pertinent statement is. becasue you dont see the evidence is not enof 2 discredit material. besides the bible is not that kind of book 2 jump in and out of when u want 2 prove mans idea of physical evidence. the material in it can be used 4 corroborating certain historical things on a human level but on a spiritual level it goes much deepr. u cant discredit someones experiences bcause u have not had it or u think it not true based on ur own human opinion.
thicky 2 months ago
i dont have a problem with miracles and supernatural stuff happning there is enough material 2 suggestthat that almost anything is posible in the spernatural level, if a person was to lend himself that space of plausibility
thicky 2 months ago
@thicky
"almost anything is posible in the spernatural level"
But not in reality. Everything is possible in the fantasy world, and that is where the supernatural belongs.
revjimbob 1 month ago
@revjimbob i should rephrase that. anything is possible supernaturally. "butnot in reality" thats the point of supernatural it surreal. its not suppose to appear like something that can actually happen in real. thats why it defies all logic. but because the entire world is not open to this thought it becomes non real. for who? what about the ones whohavehad experiences and can testify of it. we cant discedit there experiences bcos u r bias 2 it.
thicky 1 month ago
@revjimbob how unreal is a child molester. if it did not happen 2 u its unreal. i cant picture that hapening but it happens. although its not a supernatural occurence it does bring my point that one persons experience does not discredit their testimony of it having happened just becasue you dont see it as possible.
thicky 1 month ago
@thicky
That argument is so stupefyingly dumb that I cannot respond without causing irreversible damage to my brain.
revjimbob 1 month ago
@revjimbob if course its dumb/stupid caus you dont understand it. threfor to u its not real. you just proved my point. nevermind the analogy voltaire, its the principal of the believing factor and the unbeliving i want to draw on. hence why you find it stupid. of course something you dont nderstsnd is stupid but it does not mean there is no validation in the claims of those who do understand and express clearly the experiences.
thicky 1 month ago
@thicky
You use what seem to be sensible words, but they make no fucking sense.. I am pretty tolerant of commenters who don't slavishly follow the rules of grammar or spelling, but if you are trying to make some kind of sophisticated point, take your time and explain it properly instead of venting fucking word-salads.
I'll try to answer one point:
"how unreal is a child molester. if it did not happen 2 u its unreal."
It did not happen to me, but it is real.
You just lost your argument.
revjimbob 1 month ago
@revjimbob your answer again conflicts your idea of 'not in reality' whcih is wht led to my comment. if the supernatural is reality to ppl that hv experienced it why wld you say 'it belongs in a fantasy . u see how silly you sound now voltaire. your realities dont dictate other ppl truths and experiences. how conceivable is a guy levitating in thin air or having out of body experience etc? it hapens in the real world and i am not talkin bout no magic trick either.
thicky 1 month ago
@thicky if you have no credible argument for the supernatural existence of things its best to say is 'no comment' bcause you cant speak against something you have no experience of your own on. u r just claiming fantasy bcause its beyond mans rational and thats the point of the supernatural. it is beyond our natural existence. thats why we can say it exist becasue we see that it happens. its not fantasy. agn not my fault if you cant grasp the language
thicky 1 month ago
@thicky
Sorry, mate - I gave you the opportunity to try to debate but instead you retreat further into your incomprehensible pidgin. If you can't be bothered making an effort to be understood, I'm fucked if I am going to waste my time trying to decipher what the hell you are trying to say.
revjimbob 1 month ago
@revjimbob now i dont understand you.. you right i must retreat.
thicky 1 month ago
it's still sad leaving religion behind because the ideal of god is comforting, like how the romeo and juliette story of eternal love beautiful
gilllie666 2 months ago
@gilllie666
Romeo and Juliet comforting? They both wind up dead, you know.
revjimbob 1 month ago
The majority of the dead sea scrolls are nearly identical to the Masoretic texts.
randplaty 3 months ago
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VFX said that they matched "WORD FOR WORD". That is what I was responding to. Nothing else.
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TheActs837 4 weeks ago
The dead sea scrolls confirmed the masoretic texts. There are masoretic texts in 1 Samuel and others that were known to be corrupted before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The DSS merely confirmed the corruption of those texts and provided an earlier manuscript to correct those texts.
randplaty 3 months ago
Exodus and Samuel? What about The Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremia, Ezekial, Zachariah, and Daniel. These are the books of prophecy, many of which have come true.
Exodus and Samuel have little or no prophecies in them.
Pwn that.
udanbug 4 months ago
@udanbug
In an article for Infidels, Jim Lippard says "every case of alleged fulfillment of messianic prophecy suffers from one of the following failings: (1) the alleged Old Testament prophecy is not a messianic prophecy or not a prophecy at all, (2) the prophecy has not been fulfilled by Jesus, or (3) the prophecy is so vague as to be unconvincing in its application to Jesus." Name one specific prophecy that has come true.
infidels.org/library/modern/jim_lippard/fabulous-prophecies.html
chirectomy 3 months ago
@udanbug phrophecies or no prophecies its important. PWN THAT.
ButteryAssAbel 3 months ago
We can never convince a person of faith... It's an uphill battle... I personally don't believe to fairy tales and magic bullshit cuz I have intelligence. But hey faith is faith and faith is blind... And dumb. And ignorant... And it fuck up everything in the world
bcamara145 4 months ago
@MrNickape hey, guess what? I could make wikipedia say that the dead sea scrolls were written by an atheist......fyi, it is editable......
filmjunkie998 4 months ago
Im sorry for you son....you must have been in a church where people faked it...and you saw the hypocracy..and ran...dont really blame you....and i truly understand. But it looks like you really wont listen to anything i might say to ...convince you to seek thebtrue God....not some BS religion. Good luck son
hoot48 4 months ago
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E.A.Wallis Budge translation of, 'The Papyrus of Ani' (1500BCE comp O.T.800-300BCE ish), other great writings are by Donald A. Mackenzie,' Egyptian myth and legend', James G Frazer, 'The Golden Bough', For sceptical Bible scholars try Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Joseph Wheless, Robert Ingersoll, C.Dennis Mckinsey, Victor J Stenger, Robert M Price, Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Bart Ehrman, Gary Greenberg, Richard Carrier, David Mills, Valerie Tarico, Ken Humphreys, archaeologist Israel Finkelstein
zytigon 4 months ago
There is only one complete book of the old testament in the dead sea scrolls. It is the book of Isaiah and it predates all other copies by 1100 years. 1100 years and guess what? Same.so much for fluid. Pawned yourself.
mejc2 4 months ago
Remember, the Catholic Church had 1000 years to pick and choose what they wanted in and out of the Bible. This is why the big coverup of the scrolls. What if it came out that they altered the Bible to suite their own agenda? Since 1962 the church has been issuing encycicals to bring its doctrine more in line with the early church. They've got a long way to go!
JohnMGilbert 4 months ago
So my question is, WAS JESUS A MUSHROOM!?
Raybee 4 months ago
I don't really care about the Old Testament. It's such a heap of crap that it's hardly worth faulting any more. Not that I'm saying that the New Testament improves on the old heap of crap to any significant degree, besides making the violence, sexual abuse and homophobia opt-in, instead of compulsory.
jamesbonq 5 months ago
I don't agree with either of you. To append and assert to someone else who is obviously misguided, and you also are that due to your source. The Oxford blah blah blah editorial paperback is the wrong move. You must go directly to the source, and view it yourself. ALas that is not attempted here..so both Fail. Straight facts.
freqazoidiak 5 months ago
The very first words from VFX's mouth here were priceless.
Other guy: "Those books have been written and rewritten so many times."
VFX: "I disagree."
Is he disagreeing with the known fact that the Bible's been rewritten??
LucasI3434 5 months ago
@LucasI3434 i think the convo was about how things being rewritten, as in changed. Not transcribed. VFX doesn't think that they have been altered.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
It's really pathetic and sick to see so many people defending any historical texts as actual facts, when in truth, much get lost in translation and intepretation... NOT ONLY THAT, there is an old saying that goes ' those who conquer the land writes history' and this means that there is and will always be a bias, distortion and agendas behind such publications!
Stardomchild 5 months ago
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Whether the bible was written 10 years ago or 10,000,000 years ago doesn't really make much difference. It's still a book of fairy tales and countless examples of immorality.
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@Rationalwon It makes a difference to an orphan who is being take care of by christian missionaries who base there belief on the bible. Of course the bible is full of examples of people fucking up -> Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
Fairytale? I would say a wise plan to end hate and conflict.
A living example of this way of doing life is Mossab Hassan Yousef.
LLThenu 1 month ago
Even if modern OT was word for word the same as the "Dead Sea Scrolls" it wouldn't begin begin to validate anything about it apart from the fact it has a lengthy following.
socksumi 7 months ago
it's owned not powned, pwned is how was written later in wow and fps games
dumbnetworks 8 months ago
LOL. You don't seem like the kinda of guy who'd say pwned. I didn't expect that.
RedCrescentDemon 8 months ago
And your contribution is what??? That you don't read so well???? Your hair is so important to you that you need to play with it in your video???
What substantive information or original thought do you produce???? Thought so..
GO back to playing with your hair..
wa4aos 8 months ago
@wa4aos , Eh, he is making fun of venomfangx's obsession with his hair (the guy he is debunking in above vid). "What substantive information or original thought do you produce???? "
1) He is showing that venomfangx is either lying or is sadly misinformed. 2)Why don't you go check out his other vids.
thegalwegian 8 months ago 2
@wa4aos Stop abusing your question mark key and go learn some grammar before you accuse someone of not reading well.
darkpersianuk 8 months ago
Love the 'Why I'm no longer a Christian' series, though I found it a bit difficult to concentrate due to your voice being so damn sexy.The last ten secs of this one*, damn you did it again. *reminds me of James Spader in 'Secretary'
thegalwegian 8 months ago 4
By the way.. in case someone missed it. .that guy said they were discovered in 1948.. that was wrong.. they were discovered in 1947. AND on top of that they are not originals but Paraphrased BY .. who else ? Enemies of Christianity ? yes.. the Muslims. Figure that one out. Heck, even the USA put them up for Auction in 1991. Most people miss this .. And they wonder why God is not answering their prayers.. lmao.. Pwnd. :-)
janequorzar 8 months ago
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janequorzar 8 months ago
Christian Memo: I published a study on Christianity in prison. 98.72 % of violent offenders are 'saved', accepting Jesus as personal savior. Prison Ministers/Chaplin tell all saved inmates they are forgiven and are going to heaven. The violent offender recidivism rate is 87 %. 78% of violent street crimes are committed by a criminal with previous penal contact. So, if you are the victim of a violent crime there is greater than a 75% chance that a Christian did it. Nice.
AtheistSongs 8 months ago
Well done, no need to apologize.
mcrd2001 9 months ago
@CynicalCatharsis Neither do religion in my area-- we've tried to get help from our community leaders-- atheists are the only ones who wouldn't budge-- no one gets credit. The food is prepared by the homeless in trade for shelter, supervised by the local police, and there is no church presence at all... a bunch of atheists using services donated by believers. And I can guarantee-- if we get slapped with a power grid outtage like Nasa warns, a whole bunch of atheists will lining up...
RayTech70 9 months ago
The Dead Sea scrolls belonged to a Jewish sect which split from the central dominance of the Temple of Solomon and its Rabbi's. They advocated purity and seclusion.
Iker888 9 months ago
If anti-theists and anti-Christian revelers like this young man would focus their energy on finding ways to replace the humanitarian efforts that churches bring to society then it would soften the blow for change. I don't see that happening all too soon-- so for the time being, churches are and will continue to be needed.
RayTech70 9 months ago
This guys work had been so important to me that I have become an ex-christian and renouced my 40 years of being a good catholic. I went though what he documented and explained...I just did it because he went first. Thanks for setting me free. I am now 100% Fairy-Tale Free as they say!
AtheistSongs 9 months ago
@AtheistSongs That's because if you were a "good Catholic" you never were a Christian! This guy's statements are typical of those who hear what they like and repeat it, never bothering to get enough info to know what they're talking about.
breezebro 9 months ago
HOW does "The Oxford Companion to Archeology" know that Exodus and Samuel in the dead sea scrolls are not accurate to the verses in the bible? Is Oxford PERFECT in knowledge all of a sudden??? Is western civilization NEVER wrong???
starsheild7 9 months ago
@starsheild7 There is a very clear and simple answer. This is not opinion or conjecture. It has to do with languge itself. If I were to write they way people spoke in midevil times for example, I would be witing to you saying - Ye hearish me O my wench, thoust not be so feeble of mind...etc. You get the idea. So today I write like this...but what cant happen is someone in midevil times writing like this becasue it didn't exist yet. So there are the same ligusitic varriants in the scrolls..
AtheistSongs 9 months ago
@AtheistSongs Get it now? I can fake old language but old records can't fake futrue language...do you get this? The records was a mix of a 1000 years of changes in lingustics...therefore it MUST of had multiple authors of a span of time written for a myriad of intent.
AtheistSongs 9 months ago
@AtheistSongs I guess if it's a translation issue then it is most likely that Exodus and Samuel are really accurate to the dead sea scrolls, maybe the Oxford companion to Archeology mistranslated the dead sea scrolls then.
starsheild7 9 months ago
@starsheild7 Again, it's NOT translation...it's linguistics!
AtheistSongs 9 months ago
@AtheistSongs oops! That's what I meant to say LINGUISTICS, sometimes I type what I didn't mean to say, sorry.
starsheild7 9 months ago
"PWNED."
Lawd you are adorable.
demonella 9 months ago
Oh gosh, I found you through your narrated videos first. I didn't know you'd be so attractive :) But anyway, you're doing a great job raising awareness; I can't tell you enough just how important your work is, in a world where hatred, violence, and intolerance take root in ignorance.
LaLunalovegood 10 months ago
No mention whatsoever about jesus in the dead sea scrolls. None at all.
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Seraph821 10 months ago
VFX reminds me of a very sexually repressed Todd Flanders. Dunno why, but he just has that vibe going for him
berner 10 months ago 29
my goodness you are reading something and believing it, and expecting others to believe it too. right? thats faith! can you read hebrew or greek? can you date the anchient text? no, but you will trust someone who says they can. so at this point, that article you read could be wrong just like you say the bible is wrong. dont you understand that everything you think you know can be wrong. you think our faith is weak. look at you!
TheHumanbeingHuman 10 months ago
@TheHumanbeingHuman the human consciousness is waking up because religion has to many holes in it, i was a christian for 20yrs, sorry my friend but that's the way it is
scudster69 10 months ago 24
@scudster69 What exactly is waking them up? articles? science books? books, youtube and the internet? this is your truth? what discoveries have you made personally? how many laws/theories/concepts are found in this awakening information that you just accept to be truth because enough people agree. im not saying their findings are wrong. but their conclusions are a bit ahead of them selves. no one can conclude there is no God with what we know now. and show me the holes inthe bible i welcome you
TheHumanbeingHuman 10 months ago
@TheHumanbeingHuman sorry dude, i can't show you, you have to look for yourself because no matter what i type in here, your gonna tell me i'm wrong
scudster69 10 months ago
@TheHumanbeingHuman besides if you bothered to read properly i said religion not the bible
scudster69 10 months ago
@scudster69 some start with satan,but end with GOD.some start with GOD,but end with satan.you sir fall into the latter
lance9772 6 months ago
@lance9772 funny considering you know nothing about me & according to your own belief only "He" can judge you really don't know much at all, fool
scudster69 6 months ago
@scudster69 I fully support this awakening! I love it and see so much optimism in seeing religion go down the drain. I believe you should keep some pricipals along with it, which we will cause its common sense now, but to hell with religion (haha). Im 24, I was christian up until I was 23.
seanturpin01 5 months ago
@scudster69 it's a leaking boat nobody has bothered fixing? yes, why? because people don't want God. pretty simple, why? it's just natural. why? why want to be just like animals? I don't think that it's worth it to just abandon ship when all it needs is some good hard work.
filmjunkie998 4 months ago
@filmjunkie998 life is hard work!!!...religion just over complicates it.
scudster69 3 months ago
@scudster69 yes, being dignified is too hard sometimes, I understand that! If I can do it, surely you can!
filmjunkie998 3 months ago
For the record there is a little more to it than just GOD
That being the reason for Jesus's excistance "Dieing for our sins"
Science may appeal to have the upper hand on explanations but at the end of the day when im holding a gun to your head there is no doute yout gonna fall to your knees and pray to god i dont put bullet through your skull.
shogunzoz 10 months ago
@shogunzoz Quite a typical threat from a Christian or Muslim.
KaraRvn 10 months ago
@shogunzoz what are you gonna do when you go to hell for murder? pray to God not to damn you for eternity?
AngelEater0001 10 months ago
@AngelEater0001 do you realise what you admitted to just now? retard.
natos18 10 months ago
@natos18 i made that statement based on the beliefs he seems to have to pretty much show that he wishes to break his own moral law and go to "hell" with all the athiests he seemingly wants to kill.
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scudster69 10 months ago
you are wrong. why? it matches the septuagint..
gerryboy101 10 months ago
Arceology also suggest that many of the sites, events, and stories did infact take exist and take place.
WDTripps 11 months ago
It doesn't matter if the dead sea scrolls matched the old testament scripture or not. The point is, are you going to believe ancient text to be inspired or written directly by God, just because it's too old to be verified to be true? There were no magic people "empowered by God" (prophets, Moses & Jesus) 2,000+ years ago, just like there are no magic people today. People told stories that became legend and were eventually written to be "sacred" despite no way to tell fact from fiction.
mjwaldrep 11 months ago
PWNED!!! lol
javonne 11 months ago
Wikipedia is a source now? That's cool...too bad it can be edited with Amy random bs...but yeah cool source man
And if exodus and Samuel were the only books you say were not accurate...then why don't you believe god exists? Since it does say that in the rest of the bible and you didn't deny that the other books were not true
1theoneandonly7 11 months ago
Man you really gotta check your sources hahaha you cant believe everything you see on the internet. This "oxford companion to archeology" that you talk about was never involved with the dead sea scrolls nor was it ever interested in the dead sea scrolls. There was only man from the oxford companion to archeology who looked into the dead sea scrolls and he believed to find a difference but was later proven wrong. Check your sources before you make another video!!!!!!!!
natejillson 11 months ago
Sorry, but the copying of the texts of the Torah in scrolls existing in synagogues has been taken very seriously for centuries and centuries with the objective of avoiding "fluidity". There is a tradition in that and much effort to assure no letter is changed. Take a more serious study on this. As for the Dead Sea Scrolls I cannot say the same because they were not texts (scrolls) used in synagogues or religious services.
gilsonbicudo 11 months ago
argue away all u stupid heathens. the truth has escaped all of you. have fun in your misery.
TheAngryarchangel 1 year ago
@TheAngryarchangel I AGREE KUDOS TO YOU THEIR ALL GOING TO HELLLLLLLLL
ThePocohontis 11 months ago
@ThePocohontis YES!!! All those who refuse to worship the FSM will definitely burn in hell!!!!
gupsphoo 11 months ago
@TheAngryarchangel that is not a very christian thing to say
sklorbit 11 months ago
@sklorbit well, im not jesus christ, so its hard to say what he would. people are stupid and dont care about each other anymore and it pisses me off. people dont educate themselves anymore. we have become a society of take take take take. so forgive me if i wish things were different.
TheAngryarchangel 11 months ago
@TheAngryarchangel "its hard to say what he would" Turn the other cheek. Forgive thy neighbor. And all that other shit that THE BIBLE ITSELF claims as Jesus' teachings about love and forgiveness.
"people are stupid and dont care about each other anymore" And no evidence to support this generalization that includes EVERY PERSON. Additionally the LESS STUPID that one becomes, the MORE CARING they tend to become. :P
"it pisses me off" Then make an effort to fucking change things.
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onijester56 11 months ago
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"people dont educate themselves anymore" So says the one wishing THOSE WHO DO EDUCATE THEMSELVES TO HELL. So which is it? Do you want people to educate themselves and hence suffer eternal punishment or remain ignorant and bigoted, make you more mad, and at best destroy any chance for things to get better?
Make up your mind or fuck off.
onijester56 11 months ago
@onijester56 the search for knowledge is what caused the fall of man in the bible. They do not want you to think!
sklorbit 11 months ago
@onijester56 sorry i struck a nerve, but i think you would agree that things should be better. jesus was not the meek, turn the other cheek kind of guy we were led to believe.
TheAngryarchangel 11 months ago
youre sexy
Summer0Life 1 year ago
If you choose a path, walk it with pride and never let anyone make you change your mind. But also, don't you dare to make someone change theirs that they have chosen to walk. Use your intelligence, that would be your true gift from your gods, whatever name you choose to call it.
stacysloss 1 year ago
And I'm pretty sure that there are many others that hint to the same general story line as those listed above. I'm not an expert in theology by any means, but please read, research, and learn for yourself when it comes to religion and spiritualism.
stacysloss 1 year ago
Well, please tell me who the hell Krishna was .. Please explain the story of Isis and Horus. These are even earlier than Christ. Other people that came before he did and had similar lives but all in different cultures and so there are a few differences as far as cultural standards go, but the overall is the same. I'm not saying that I don't believe in God, but I'm also a physicist, and my intelligence urges me to question those stories and information. And I'm pretty sure that there are many o
stacysloss 1 year ago
Okay, first of all .. To the humans that keep referring to God as "he" and "him", please stop. Second of all, to those humans that keep preaching about Christ, stop. I'm not saying he isn't possible, just that there are many flaws here, especially in the bible. And quite possibly communication errors. I for one believe that Christ was real, and a damn good guy. But will I ever pray to him = negatory, chicken nuggets.
Let me first say this .. Christ was supposedly the embodiment of God on earth
stacysloss 1 year ago
I can give you extreme evidence for the opposite side from scholars. although it may not match word for word but the content in terms of meaning is exactly the same. If you say otherwise give me some actuall observable examples not just some letter of a scholar who thinks he knows it all.
even if there are differences you will be sure to find the verses written hundreds of years before Christ Predicting his events. And there is literally loads upon loads of evidence for Christ.
Gaaminator 1 year ago
@Gaaminator christ himself is a copy of many other earlier gods like horus and krishna, if you think your book is different from even earlier religions you will find many similarities with early egyptian religion
youmom80000 11 months ago
@youmom80000 The Reason we know Christ exists is because multiple people witnessed him and wrote about him and most historians acknowledge his existence. Jesus was without a doubt a real historical person what you have to decide is what kind.
Gaaminator 11 months ago
@Gaaminator The only reference to Jesus (outside of bible "scholorship") is a disputed one written by the historian Josephus, and most historians agree that the jesus he was documenting was not at all the jesus in the bible because he never mentions him being supernatural in any way and claimed he had a brother named james, which contradicts the bible, so unless mary wasnt a virgin then he wasnt documented
youmom80000 11 months ago
@youmom80000 Who cares if its biblical or non biblical? why should that be a difference whether it just happens to be in the Bible or not?
And actually that wouldn't contradict the Bible, Jesus did have a half brother and Mary wasnt a virgin her whole life...
To your other comment 50-100 is actually a very short time by historical standards and it is still just as reliable as any account of Julius Caesar or any other ancient historical character.
Gaaminator 11 months ago
Wikipedia? No.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
What a load of garbage.! You find a few variations in only a few books from 39 and your false video forgets that the rest is over 95% accurate. What you ignored that fact didn't you?. What a useless argument. Either way it doesn't change the theme of the Holy bible. Your attempt is very desperate and holds no value amongst scholars.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams Agreed.
jamesluc256 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams I see your point, but doesn't the mere fact that the accuracy rate is 95% and not 100% completely destroy the idea of the divine infallibility of the text?
God isn't only 95% perfect, is He? Couldn't He have intervened in order to preserve His Word to the letter?
orbicularbanana 1 year ago 2
@orbicularbanana NO it's still serves it's purpose. The corruption of "human" culture and language through sin has not thwarted God's work of inspiration or rendered it inadequate. God is perfect, man is not. The Scripture, having been given by divine inspiration is infallible, so that far from misleading us, it is true and reliable in all the matters it addresses.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams I don't understand how you can admit a 5% inaccuracy rate and then turn around and call it infallible.
It's not a question of the consistency of the themes addressed. I have no doubt that modern scriptures are thematically consistent with the Dead Sea Scrolls. The issue is that ANY inaccuracy (regardless of the content of that inaccuracy) in the final product is irrefutable evidence of the fallibility of that product.
orbicularbanana 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana Please remember when God passed down his words of inspiration, these words are infallible. You are confusing the two. Man is fallible therefore mistakes are possible, especially when coping texts over centuries. When we say the Bible is infallible, it is in reference to as I stated earlier God's teaching and words originally spoken. The only evidence you have is that MAN has made some error, but not God. Please note there is a total of 31,173 verses in the Bible.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams I understand the argument that you're making, but the central problem is that basically we're saying that God entrusted His infallible word to people He knew would adulterate it in the future. In other words, He gave his word to ancient peoples who He knew would pass a fallible version of that word down to their descendants. Why not, being omnipotent, oversee the copying process to eliminate any errors?
orbicularbanana 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana Yes, but you are trying to get into Gods head. We don't have all the answers as to his processes, but it could be that by going through man (prophets) faith can be achieved. Everything God does is for a purpose, whether we see it or not. At the end of the day, the errors are minuscule in the whole context of the Bible. The ball is red instead of blue, it doesn't change the main body of context and understanding of the Bible. You are picking a needle in a haystack.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams Why is it that God's processes all seem to operate in such a way as to obscure evidence of His existence?
This is a question I've been struggling with for a long time, and nobody seems to have a good answer.
orbicularbanana 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana That is a great question, remember the Bible is for Study and God is the ultimate teacher. God has shown himself to us. but he does it in different ways with different people. First of all, God showed himself in the person of Jesus Christ long ago. And even then when Jesus, who was God in flesh walked among people, many denied who he was. So even though God showed himself in the person of Jesus, people wouldn't recognize who he was. ....
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana This question is also a bit subjective, he shows himself to Christians in ways that Christians understand. Take, for example how a particular Christian might have a problem with a particular sin and he has been praying about it, asking God to give him strength to resist. Then, inexplicably he might encounter several people in a very short period of time who talk to him about that exact issue. They may not know he has that issue, but they address it very specifically.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana Another way that God reveals himself to us is through the conviction of our heart. God wants us to search for him and through the BIble has revealed himself through his word. The Word tells us 'Seek and ye shall find'. Not, 'you might find'. If one is TRULY seeking, he will find God, and when he does, there will be no question of if he's the 'right one'.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana Having found Him, they will never be the same. Their life will be changed. And that, really is the key in knowing. A true change of heart. That's something that dead prophets and blocks of wood and stone cannot accomplish. Unless you have an open heart and an open mind to the possibility of God existing, you will never see or find God. Last point we see God in all of creation. The Bible attests to his creation.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@amanwithdreams So the bible is solid evidence that the bible is real. Sorry to tell you, but it doesn't work that way. Nothing else other than the bible will ever prove the bible is real. There is no god.
totallymargeaux 11 months ago
@totallymargeaux NO you are not listening. Bible study will lead you to the truth, the Bible to any non-believer as yourself is just another book, right? So it's in it's study of scripture that we learn the truth. I can send you great information on proofs that have been discovered, making the story of the Bible true. Archaeological finds from stories in the Bible.
amanwithdreams 11 months ago
@amanwithdreams The bible is not real. No matter how many times you try to tell yourself it is, it is NOT true. The only people who will tell you it is real are other christians only because they want to believe the same thing as you.
totallymargeaux 11 months ago
@totallymargeaux That's your opinion, based on how much study? The Holy Bible, whether you agree or disagree is real to many. You can choose to believe what you wish, but I very much doubt you have spent years researching. You are just another somebody, stating an opinion, based on no research, appart from the garbage that's on the web. I offered you facts, which you ignored.
amanwithdreams 11 months ago
@amanwithdreams Harry potter attests to wizards and flying broomsticks, the bible is not a source of fact it is a book written way before any scientific methods were around, everyone was uneducated and could not explain why things happened like we can now, so they invented an answer to everything so nothing would scare them as much
youmom80000 11 months ago
@youmom80000 You obviously have no understanding of literature nor history. They really didnt have many fiction writers back then paper and ink was very expensive and people could not afford to waste time with "fiction" If you want to claim they are lying then you would have to find a motive.
And actually we cant explain why things happen on our own, we can explain how things happen, But not necessarily a reason. Other than coincidence, But if god exists then there should be none.
Gaaminator 11 months ago
@Gaaminator you obviously dont know how the game telephone works, the new testament was written between 50-100 years after jesus died, leaving time for real observations to be twisted and falsified. also the bible was edited by byzantine priests for awhile, so i may have been a big upfront with the fiction theme but even if it was true at one point, it is more likely more fiction at this point
youmom80000 11 months ago
@youmom80000 Yes I agree with you "Harry Potter" is fictional. Just like your theory.
amanwithdreams 11 months ago
@orbicularbanana Let me put it another way. The word "inspiration" means "God breathed." Therefore, when we say that the Bible is inspired, we are saying that it is authored from God, that God moved through the personality and abilities of the biblical writers in such a way that what they wrote WAS without error and was correct in all that they addressed.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana The process of inspiration was not a mechanical dictation where the apostles heard a voice and wrote down what they heard. Nor does it mean that they went into some sort of a trance and God wrote through them without their knowledge. Instead, the writers were free to write what they wanted as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
@orbicularbanana In fact, the writings reflect the personality and style of the various writers. Yet, the personality and style of the writers did not degrade the quality or authority of the biblical writing. Because the Bible is inspired, it is also inerrant. This means that the Bible is without error, in the ORIGINAL documents and that everything that it addresses is without error in fact or understanding.
amanwithdreams 1 year ago
This was not a surprise to me at all. The Qum ran was written by a cult of that day.
It still brings valadation to the OT.
jesuskopp 1 year ago
this was written in 1996 so I can't see how this is credible....
SCSultan88 1 year ago
Realize what you are doing is simply believing one source over the other.
Have you compared the variants yourself?
Even if you cannot read the language you can put the texts side by side and compare like such.
Granted we all probably take certain things for granted, but if we are going to speak authoritatively on something we owe it to our audience to be as informed as possible.
preachinshawn 1 year ago
Do you remember the link where you got this information? I believe you but I just wanna read it and use the link as a source for my statement in a debate I am having.
MMAUpdater 1 year ago
Thank You Man!!! You speak the truth!!! My sister kept on telling me about all of this Dead Sea Scroll stuff, buy now I am gonna show her this video.
MMAUpdater 1 year ago
That was the friendliest pwnage I ever saw.
Neanderthalcouzin 1 year ago
Muslims were right. And now there is proof.
Raisonic 1 year ago
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LDSfaithDefender 1 year ago
@LDSfaithDefender
Don't know why your comment was removed, but anyways:
"This doesn't necessarily prove Islam,"
You're 100% right. All I'm saying is that the claim the the Bible is corrupted, which is a viewpoint Muslims support, is proven here (at least in the OT half). I just meant that "Muslims were right" about the Bible being corrupted. I can't go further than that.
Raisonic 1 year ago
@Raisonic That's what I was trying to tell you: Mormons, too, believe the Bible has been tampered with: their own scriptures say that.
LDSfaithDefender 1 year ago