I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
Why isn't this issue solved yet for Tibetans and Chinese? Chinese should just let Tibetans be free. Tibetans have their rights, so if this is the way that China will so-called figure things out, Tibetans will be more upset.
tibetans are not entitled to own a picture of the dalai lama, so you're wrong about them having religious freedom - wrong again. you think killing is ok. you think tibetans should accept defeat. you are wrong. wrong, wrong wrong. wrong.
You are losing your sense.I will not wasting my time to argue with an unreasonable person.I don't believe a person has so small mind like you could able to help anyone. Please stop to interfere other countries private affairs, otherwise you will completely go insane. In the end, I congrats you at least able to speak your native language better than me.
soft. sorry, your grasp of english isn't good enough to get your point through. you're chinese? where are you writing from? tibetans are chinese citizens because they were faced with two choices: 1. accept defeat / 2.die. it seems like you think thats fair. you are scum. you should die
When journalists were allowed in tibet, we saw footage of tibetans smashing in windows and burning cars. then all media was kicked out. Then saw videos of trucks and trucks of chinese military heading over there. This is not propaganda, we are able to make up our own minds. Its tough isn't it when the han have moved in to tibet, with their families in mind. attacking them is not just, i am saying that the tibetans are entitled to political and religious freedom. I ask again, where are you from?
What do u mean by "attacking them is not just",illustrate clearly.
Not only Tibetans,all 55minorities and han majority entitled to religious freedom as long as they do not harm to other people for this issue.But obviously tibetans disobeyed the rule.Political freedom??As Chinese citizen tibetans should obey theri countries law.Remind u 2 thing,1st,no single country in the world allow brutalities 2nd,Tibet is part of China,they do not awarded any privileges beyond nantional law.
hey kola. there are different figures on the amount of tibetans in '62 2.5million even according to official govt. stats. this has become a question of who's information you believe; that of the chinese government or that of the free press.
Are you saying more than half of Chinese are Tibetans?? Because the total population of China is 1.3billion.If you don't know how you can Change million to billion, I could tell you 622.5mil is 0.6625billion, and if you don't know how it's more than half of 1.3b, I could show u 1.3 divide by 0.6625 is equals to 1.96... oh my god~, do u even have common sense?
no i wasn't saying that you idiot. you're babbling nonsense. 2.5 million tibetans. you need to learn english and maths before you talk to me like that.
Your media's progranda worked and tricked on u as well.otherwase, I couldn't figure out how u could consider brutalities as "fighting for freedom".If u r HAN people living in tibet,and the tibetans burn down your shop,your house and assualt u just because u r HAN people.What you expect your gov do?what u feel like if day go outside just acting as they r pity victims??what u feel like when the ignorant outsiders sympathize them and point at u and say u r the arch-criminal???
sofiwalt, don't you read and answer his question: do you believe that political imprisonment and religious persecution is OK as long as the result is the unification of china? is it worth 1.2 million deaths or don't you believe these people died? also, where are you writing from?
I think if a country's gov can't even maintain the unification, what they sacraficing is not only the 0.1% of their people. If what you said is truth, I will say yes,unification is more important. And I am not your political prisoner, I don't have to answer all of your questions.Please Stop using that kind of manner to ask me again.
softwalt. how could you believe that political imprisonment and religious persecution is OK as long as the result is the unification of china? is it worth 1.2 million deaths or don't you believe these people died? thats very sad. look, what you should do is read up on both sides and get an objective view. also, what you refer to as development of tibet is really economic annexation -in a way they are trying to dampen resistance to china by developing a consumer lifestyle. where are you studying?
Your arrogant and ignorant words really discussed me.If you really do have that much time to intervent in other countries pilitical issue, please help your counntry first, every country have group of people that hates their government, I'm sure your country does too. Are you imagine China the country have 1.3billion population could satisfy 100% of their people?? On Msn 700milion of Chinese people put "love China" before their name,I think this is enough number to show the truth.
I know what you mean sofitwalt, especially the bit about the Chinese. I hope you understand that the reason so many 'outsiders' are concerned with what China is doing to Tibet, is that Tibet was a peaceful, culture-rich region that China slaughtered for no good reason. Tibet had no need to be developed like China wanted. Chinas development is excellent- the whole world is investing there... but the whole world hates when China is mean to other people- that simple. China has been mean. FREE TIBET
your irresponsible words are really mean to 1.3billion of Chinese. And we hate westerns doing this to us without considering China's situation even once. Our dream is that simple too. ONE CHINA FOREVER, TIEBET IS ALWAYS BE PART OF CHINA!!!
instead of rambling in caps, please respond to my question, why are western media banned from tibet?
all i say to you is check out all the reports, open your ears to all the news sources. question the media. also consider that china recently completed a fast train network opening tibet up to increased han settlement. the reason there aren't as high a proportion of tibetans in tibet is because they have been forced out and the chinese govt. have offered financial incentives to work in tibet.
Please open your eye first,I already answered that since you NEVER OPENED YOUR EAR to us that's OUR RIGHT to block your voice. And it's my right to ramble in caps. Actually I willing to open my ear to western worlds. If they before making any story, honestly say "we don't need another developed country in this world,we only need BIG FACTORY that permanently provides cheap products to us, your speed of development scares us."
Thanks for narrating China's effort to develop Tibet.
but if you think developing their own country is a crime, I reaally lost my words to you.after chinese gov developed them, What tibet people lost is not their freedom or their land,in fact they realized their unwisedom and their drop behinded thinking way which scared them
why are western journalists banned from tibet? perhaps its same reason they're banned from zimbabwe, for the same reason chinese google is censored - because the government doesn't like the truth. this is also why they've banned youtube coverage of protests in burma. are you working for the chinese goverment? you keep hitting the caps-lock key, woopsie!
To your kind of people I like to answer in straight forward way. First, I never hit caps lock by mistake,infact I AM HOLDONG IT FOR DEMONSTRATE SPECIAL WORDS.(hopfully it's clear enough) Second, I am only a student. Third, as you blocked your ear from the voice of Chinese (sorry u actually opened half for some chinese traitor which are approximatly 0.1% of 'tibetan'),we have our right to block our ear from your voice.
By 1962 only 70 of the original 2,500 monasteries in the Tibet Autonomous Region were left and 93% of the monks were forced out. The "1.2 million" figure for deaths since 1950 dates to a figure from the Tibetan Government-in-exile which they break down to 433,000 through military action, 343,000 through famine, 173,000 through imprisonment, 157,000 through execution, 93,000 through torture and 9,000 through suicide.
(R McCorquodale, N Orosz.The Posiion of Tibet in International Law)
As alot people think Chinese Media is a big lier, and may consider us as blind insiders I consider western media as big story maker,and only can conclude you as an illinformed OUTSIDER.
The official 1953 census six years before the Chinese crackdown recorded the entire population of Tibet at 1,274,000. Later census counts put the ethnic Tibetan population within the country at about two million. If the Chinese killed 1.2 million in the early 1960s then whole cities and huge portions of the countryside, indeed almost all of Tibet, would have been depopulated, transformed into a killing field dotted with death camps and mass graves of which we have seen no evidence.
If you set fire everywhere and destroyed shops and beat up people, and your government say "it's ok, it's your HUMAN RIGHT",than you can say China don't have human right. Because all these brutalities are exactly what the TIBET people did for their so "beloved" land.
you can't argue around the fact that this was an invasion by force and the tibetans are don't have freedom of religion and aren't allowed photos of the dalai. these people aren't locking away monks, they're protesting against people who shouldn't be there in the first place.
In fact, I really don't know where the invasion the word you mentioned comming from. TIBET IS ORIGINALLY PART OF CHINA AND ALWAYS BE PART OF CHINA.Does your country invade their own part???First of all, this issue is none of your business. Second of all, I wish your country can be separated to hundreds of part so that you can fully enjoy your freedom and at the same time u can experience REAL INVASION which is not from your own COUNTRY.
To kni999: To China, the Olympic is not symbol of peace, love & sport spirit only. China boycotted Olympic many times because politic problem! China boycotted Olympic from 1965 to 1984 because Olympic Committe recognized Twaiwan.
Olympic torch is a symbol of peace and love and it comes, and traditionally, with the Olympic spirit. Unfortunately the Pro-Tibetans colored it with violence and conflict, which should have been separated from each other.
Please Australian don't angry with all chinese! China embassy tell us to go to Canberra. If we don't go - our family in china have big problems. Not all Chinese students are communists - but most are.
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I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
Globalvisual 3 years ago
Why isn't this issue solved yet for Tibetans and Chinese? Chinese should just let Tibetans be free. Tibetans have their rights, so if this is the way that China will so-called figure things out, Tibetans will be more upset.
bamboo890 3 years ago
theres no point in arguing with people who don't deal with the points of argument. you are convinced and theres no changing you
vjfibro 3 years ago
tibetans are not entitled to own a picture of the dalai lama, so you're wrong about them having religious freedom - wrong again. you think killing is ok. you think tibetans should accept defeat. you are wrong. wrong, wrong wrong. wrong.
vjfibro 3 years ago
You are losing your sense.I will not wasting my time to argue with an unreasonable person.I don't believe a person has so small mind like you could able to help anyone. Please stop to interfere other countries private affairs, otherwise you will completely go insane. In the end, I congrats you at least able to speak your native language better than me.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
soft. sorry, your grasp of english isn't good enough to get your point through. you're chinese? where are you writing from? tibetans are chinese citizens because they were faced with two choices: 1. accept defeat / 2.die. it seems like you think thats fair. you are scum. you should die
vjfibro 3 years ago
When journalists were allowed in tibet, we saw footage of tibetans smashing in windows and burning cars. then all media was kicked out. Then saw videos of trucks and trucks of chinese military heading over there. This is not propaganda, we are able to make up our own minds. Its tough isn't it when the han have moved in to tibet, with their families in mind. attacking them is not just, i am saying that the tibetans are entitled to political and religious freedom. I ask again, where are you from?
vjfibro 3 years ago
What do u mean by "attacking them is not just",illustrate clearly.
Not only Tibetans,all 55minorities and han majority entitled to religious freedom as long as they do not harm to other people for this issue.But obviously tibetans disobeyed the rule.Political freedom??As Chinese citizen tibetans should obey theri countries law.Remind u 2 thing,1st,no single country in the world allow brutalities 2nd,Tibet is part of China,they do not awarded any privileges beyond nantional law.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
And obviously,I am Chinese,You don't need and you don't have right ask me more than this.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
hey kola. there are different figures on the amount of tibetans in '62 2.5million even according to official govt. stats. this has become a question of who's information you believe; that of the chinese government or that of the free press.
onedotzero96 3 years ago
Are you saying more than half of Chinese are Tibetans?? Because the total population of China is 1.3billion.If you don't know how you can Change million to billion, I could tell you 622.5mil is 0.6625billion, and if you don't know how it's more than half of 1.3b, I could show u 1.3 divide by 0.6625 is equals to 1.96... oh my god~, do u even have common sense?
sofiwalt 3 years ago
no i wasn't saying that you idiot. you're babbling nonsense. 2.5 million tibetans. you need to learn english and maths before you talk to me like that.
onedotzero96 3 years ago
the government propaganda machine has worked its tricks on you and you are incapable of objective thought.
vjfibro 3 years ago
Your media's progranda worked and tricked on u as well.otherwase, I couldn't figure out how u could consider brutalities as "fighting for freedom".If u r HAN people living in tibet,and the tibetans burn down your shop,your house and assualt u just because u r HAN people.What you expect your gov do?what u feel like if day go outside just acting as they r pity victims??what u feel like when the ignorant outsiders sympathize them and point at u and say u r the arch-criminal???
sofiwalt 3 years ago
sofiwalt, don't you read and answer his question: do you believe that political imprisonment and religious persecution is OK as long as the result is the unification of china? is it worth 1.2 million deaths or don't you believe these people died? also, where are you writing from?
onedotzero96 3 years ago
I think if a country's gov can't even maintain the unification, what they sacraficing is not only the 0.1% of their people. If what you said is truth, I will say yes,unification is more important. And I am not your political prisoner, I don't have to answer all of your questions.Please Stop using that kind of manner to ask me again.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
softwalt. how could you believe that political imprisonment and religious persecution is OK as long as the result is the unification of china? is it worth 1.2 million deaths or don't you believe these people died? thats very sad. look, what you should do is read up on both sides and get an objective view. also, what you refer to as development of tibet is really economic annexation -in a way they are trying to dampen resistance to china by developing a consumer lifestyle. where are you studying?
vjfibro 3 years ago
Your arrogant and ignorant words really discussed me.If you really do have that much time to intervent in other countries pilitical issue, please help your counntry first, every country have group of people that hates their government, I'm sure your country does too. Are you imagine China the country have 1.3billion population could satisfy 100% of their people?? On Msn 700milion of Chinese people put "love China" before their name,I think this is enough number to show the truth.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
I know what you mean sofitwalt, especially the bit about the Chinese. I hope you understand that the reason so many 'outsiders' are concerned with what China is doing to Tibet, is that Tibet was a peaceful, culture-rich region that China slaughtered for no good reason. Tibet had no need to be developed like China wanted. Chinas development is excellent- the whole world is investing there... but the whole world hates when China is mean to other people- that simple. China has been mean. FREE TIBET
boomzoomtv 3 years ago
your irresponsible words are really mean to 1.3billion of Chinese. And we hate westerns doing this to us without considering China's situation even once. Our dream is that simple too. ONE CHINA FOREVER, TIEBET IS ALWAYS BE PART OF CHINA!!!
sofiwalt 3 years ago
instead of rambling in caps, please respond to my question, why are western media banned from tibet?
all i say to you is check out all the reports, open your ears to all the news sources. question the media. also consider that china recently completed a fast train network opening tibet up to increased han settlement. the reason there aren't as high a proportion of tibetans in tibet is because they have been forced out and the chinese govt. have offered financial incentives to work in tibet.
onedotzero96 3 years ago
Please open your eye first,I already answered that since you NEVER OPENED YOUR EAR to us that's OUR RIGHT to block your voice. And it's my right to ramble in caps. Actually I willing to open my ear to western worlds. If they before making any story, honestly say "we don't need another developed country in this world,we only need BIG FACTORY that permanently provides cheap products to us, your speed of development scares us."
Thanks for narrating China's effort to develop Tibet.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
but if you think developing their own country is a crime, I reaally lost my words to you.after chinese gov developed them, What tibet people lost is not their freedom or their land,in fact they realized their unwisedom and their drop behinded thinking way which scared them
sofiwalt 3 years ago
why are western journalists banned from tibet? perhaps its same reason they're banned from zimbabwe, for the same reason chinese google is censored - because the government doesn't like the truth. this is also why they've banned youtube coverage of protests in burma. are you working for the chinese goverment? you keep hitting the caps-lock key, woopsie!
onedotzero96 3 years ago
To your kind of people I like to answer in straight forward way. First, I never hit caps lock by mistake,infact I AM HOLDONG IT FOR DEMONSTRATE SPECIAL WORDS.(hopfully it's clear enough) Second, I am only a student. Third, as you blocked your ear from the voice of Chinese (sorry u actually opened half for some chinese traitor which are approximatly 0.1% of 'tibetan'),we have our right to block our ear from your voice.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
By 1962 only 70 of the original 2,500 monasteries in the Tibet Autonomous Region were left and 93% of the monks were forced out. The "1.2 million" figure for deaths since 1950 dates to a figure from the Tibetan Government-in-exile which they break down to 433,000 through military action, 343,000 through famine, 173,000 through imprisonment, 157,000 through execution, 93,000 through torture and 9,000 through suicide.
(R McCorquodale, N Orosz.The Posiion of Tibet in International Law)
vjfibro 3 years ago
As alot people think Chinese Media is a big lier, and may consider us as blind insiders I consider western media as big story maker,and only can conclude you as an illinformed OUTSIDER.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
The official 1953 census six years before the Chinese crackdown recorded the entire population of Tibet at 1,274,000. Later census counts put the ethnic Tibetan population within the country at about two million. If the Chinese killed 1.2 million in the early 1960s then whole cities and huge portions of the countryside, indeed almost all of Tibet, would have been depopulated, transformed into a killing field dotted with death camps and mass graves of which we have seen no evidence.
kolalajoe 3 years ago
go beijing.. go oz...
jia yo jia yo jia yo
08570001 3 years ago
very disappointing from australia. what about human rights. don't you care?
vjfibro 3 years ago
If you set fire everywhere and destroyed shops and beat up people, and your government say "it's ok, it's your HUMAN RIGHT",than you can say China don't have human right. Because all these brutalities are exactly what the TIBET people did for their so "beloved" land.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
you can't argue around the fact that this was an invasion by force and the tibetans are don't have freedom of religion and aren't allowed photos of the dalai. these people aren't locking away monks, they're protesting against people who shouldn't be there in the first place.
vjfibro 3 years ago
In fact, I really don't know where the invasion the word you mentioned comming from. TIBET IS ORIGINALLY PART OF CHINA AND ALWAYS BE PART OF CHINA.Does your country invade their own part???First of all, this issue is none of your business. Second of all, I wish your country can be separated to hundreds of part so that you can fully enjoy your freedom and at the same time u can experience REAL INVASION which is not from your own COUNTRY.
sofiwalt 3 years ago
Bravo China! Bravo Aussies!
HSJ233 3 years ago
To kni999: To China, the Olympic is not symbol of peace, love & sport spirit only. China boycotted Olympic many times because politic problem! China boycotted Olympic from 1965 to 1984 because Olympic Committe recognized Twaiwan.
VietBoatPeople 3 years ago
Oi Oi Oi! Aussie champions of peace and friendship.
Love from Malaysia.
slinkys 3 years ago
Olympic torch is a symbol of peace and love and it comes, and traditionally, with the Olympic spirit. Unfortunately the Pro-Tibetans colored it with violence and conflict, which should have been separated from each other.
kni999 3 years ago
The French have a long history of liberty equality and fraternity - it is quite at odds with Communist brutality.
QQBusy 3 years ago
Isn't it Tibet mob brutality?
frenchwar500 3 years ago
Australia, well done. Australian people showed how ugly and stupid those french pigs were.
ususopen 3 years ago
Great job, Australia!!!
momoelmo 3 years ago
Good day mate!! Thank you Australian, welcome to Beijing!
webcat850 3 years ago
Long live China-Australian friendship!
Hug from China! :-)
freeperspective 3 years ago
Australians~~~~!!! well done... love ya.
DannyChan333 3 years ago 3
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Please Australian don't angry with all chinese! China embassy tell us to go to Canberra. If we don't go - our family in china have big problems. Not all Chinese students are communists - but most are.
flily09 3 years ago
Australia is a great country.
fyan007 3 years ago 3
with civilized people and true Olympic spirit,I think Australia is a great country with bright future!
bhshootingstar 3 years ago 5
Thank you Australia! Thank you Australians!!
saven00 3 years ago 3