What was the point of linking to Brett Chan's wedding video on your myspace? The man can't have a personal life and be a martial arts expert at the same time?
When the samurai class in its infancy in its own little island, the Vikings built the world's finest ships, made the great geographical discoveries, battled with dozens of different people and won. How many lands and peoples conquered the Vikings and how many samurai who fought in their small clan wars?
Lol stick to larp'ing or w/e, i'm not going to take some guys with pony tails playing in their backyards claiming to be "students of anthropology" any more serious than Spike (which is not serious programming in the first place).
@howlingvamp123 : I would say that the definition of swords into classes based on length are relative terms, and only have importance if applied to the time period in question. The "viking swords" were double edged swords with blades generally longer than 70 cm(evolving to 90-100cm in the late viking age), and is a long sword relative to the single edged short swords with blades shorter than 60cm that was primarily used during the early viking age.
I think it's a great mistake that the Viking in Deadliest Warriors were not equipped with bows, after all the combination of melee and archery capability seemed to give the Vikings great advantage in battles against most of their foes.
But then again the whole show is somewhat stupid....
@k00lkane Yeah thats the question I was going to ask until I saw your comment. There WERE bows that were used in ancient times that had even higher draw weights than that compound bow. For English longbows used in war, they are estimated to be around 150 pounds based on the bows recovered from the sunken ship, Mary Rose. As for other cultures, im sure they also used high draw weights for their bows. Maybe by powerful, he meant arrow speed instead of draw weight.
@k00lkane Yeah thats the question I was going to ask until I saw your comment. There WERE bows that were used in ancient times that had even higher draw weights than that compound bow. For English longbows used in war, they are estimated to be around 150 pounds based on the bows recovered from the sunken ship, Mary Rose. As for other cultures, im sure they also used high draw weights for their bows. Maybe by powerful, he meant arrow speed instead of draw weight.
@k00lkane Yeah thats the question I was going to ask until I saw your comment. There WERE bows that were used in ancient times that had even higher draw weights than that compound bow. For English longbows used in war, they are estimated to be around 150 pounds based on the bows recovered from the sunken ship, Mary Rose. As for other cultures, im sure they also used high draw weights for their bows. Maybe by powerful, he meant arrow speed instead of draw weight.
@EvilDarkJackel The ancient Greeks had plate armor. It was bronze and not steel but it was plate armor. The Romans lorica segmentata was layered plate.
What we call plate armor developed in the 12th and 13th centuries and became what we know today around the 14th century.
@EvilDarkJackel Not any better than western armor. Japanese armor was mostly lacquered leather, inlaid with some metal plates to reinforce. Sometimes they used metal scales, and late period samurai had a coat of plates. There is a reason why the Europeans replaced the coat of plates with 1 solid piece, it protects better.
@EvilDarkJackel But the straight sword will do more blunt force damage to the body through the armor. There is a reason people used maces and warhammers against heavy armor. Neither would actually pierce plate, but the force of the blow will still transfer through and injure the man in armor.
@EvilDarkJackel You get what I am trying to get at though right? Hacking with a straight sword is more effective at transferring the energy of the blow through the armor than cutting with a curved sword. Hacking at cutting are 2 different things. Axes do hacking, razor blades do cutting.
@EvilDarkJackel Thrand's response to locked&loaded is good evidence.
Straight blades bite in due to the angle of impact. Curved blades are like hitting a nail at an angle while straight are like hitting it head on. Straight blades stick into the armor and transfer their energy while curved don't as well.
Not if you know how to work with the balance. I can easily get 2 or 3 swings in a second. Work with the spirit in the axe and it will obey you. Work against it, and it will betray you.
@EvilDarkJackel My axe is about 2 lbs and the warspike can easily pierce most anything you put in its way. While it is blade heavy (of course) it is rather easy to wield even for a scrawny fellow like me when you work with the balance.
Large 2 handed axes weighed 3-4 lbs, which isn't much more than a katana (which was in the 2-3 range usually).
Curved blades glance off due to the shape, lowering damage. Straight swords don't glance near as much and transfer the full force through the armor.
@EvilDarkJackel You ever try getting around a large shield? It is far from easy, especially with a spear.
As for piercing the armor, that is untrue. Many 1 handed weapons were capable of defeating late period plate armor (like the mace or warspike). The longsword would be able to defeat Japanese armor mainly due to the blunt force. Straight swords are far better against armor than curved swords since they bite into the steel and deliver force through the armor instead of simply glancing off.
It is not a japanese art, but a korean one that mimics japanese sword techniques in every way (it was established during japan's control of korea, when korean martial arts were banned). The only real difference is names of techniques are in korean. The only time the sword is used one handed is on the draw, and of course while putting away the blade. Use of two hands just takes more advantage of the katana's curve. I'll try to find a link for you
Hey, I'm sorry if I offended you. Just in my years of haidong gumdo training, I have never seen a katana used in the way you swing it with one hand. I have always experienced the use of one guide hand and one power hand to take advantage of the katana's curve. And what I mean is, as an army, the Samurai had more advanced battle strategies that would give them an edge. Again, sorry if I came off as disrespectful, because I am partial to viking culture myself.
@tcgthevidiots Katana are used one handed quite often Historically? You are telling me there is a Japanese art that does not do that ? I believe you but odd. I am a member and practitioner of the Bujinkan arts we do this all the timeiaijutsupretty much demands it be done this way . Even Miyamoto Musashi Thought katana should be used one handed at times and duel wielded them as his primary style. Although there is more power two handed by far or should I say follow through as well as control.
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but you are not very good with the katana. I love the vikings, and I am most likely biased towards them because of my Danish heritage, but the Samurai would have won any day of the week. They had time tested organized battle tactics that were much more advanced than the vikings' shield walls and charges.
@tcgthevidiots Please check out my latest Video " Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai " /watch?v=mNj5HiCPx1I on You Tube. I am and have been a member of the Bujinkan for as long as I have been a Viking reenactor and SCA'er. Meaning I know both sides of the fight. Your Opinion of my Katana usage is bogus you have no skill from this statement. Your opinion must be coming from fantasy movies and media and an unrealistic expectations.
@ThegnThrand "Your opinion must be coming from fantasy movies and media and an unrealistic expectations." Exactly! They're over glorified and are effective in their own lands. But against chain mail alone is enough for me to stick with the Vikings.
Samurai, Ninja, and Katana's are so mainstream nowadays that's why you see every 14 year old pubescent kid say the Katana would win cause they saw it in Naruto.
(cont) imbalanced weapon (such as a mace) will be harder to swing but will deal more concussive force. The cutting edge is irrelevant IMHO. Thrand shows the speed comparison of the two and they are about equal. I think this speaks well of the katana as the larger heavier weapon can be just as fast as the one handed weapon. I still think the Viking would narrowly win due to the shield and his mail, but the ways the swords differ in usage deserves mentioning in any hypothetical encounter.
(cont) means that not all of its weight is focused on the blade. Normally this isn't a problem because the katana wasn't made to bash (it's ill-advised for the fragile edge) but to quickly slash and stab at weak points on the opponent. In fact, some kenjutsu moves are precisely meant to make the enemy vulnerable so the cutting edge can do its work. The katana will not break bones (bash) as well as the Viking sword because that is not its job. I can't speak for the Viking, but I know an...
A katana has a longer, heavier handle relative to its blade than the Viking sword does. As a student of kenjutsu for the past five years I know this is a great advantage when drawing the sword out quickly to attack in a move (such as shohatstuo) or changing the direction of the sword very quickly in order to counterattack (uko nagash). It also allows for quick, well-controlled cuts against targets because the sword is well-balanced. However, the balance of the katana ...
Continued: Point is, while sword/shield combo lends an advantage over a single sword, there are better techniques to use than what you guys show. As the samurai, I would try to focus more on using my superior speed and attack not the shield, but the Viking's sword arm and weaker right side, which I can dominate with my stronger two-handed weapon. Really, drawing the Viking into attacking me would be best, because he can't penetrate my armor and his arm will be exposed from behind the shield.
@timmy155 This is how you fight a sword and shield with a two handed weapon but knowing this does mean you have the technical advantage due to gear and the Samurai weapons did not only weight only 3lbs and Japanese armour was around 50 to 66 lbs so what speed advantage we prove their is not much using the 3lb blade DW described.The sword and shield can block as well as attack at the same time the Katana can not I fight both styles that's how I know this . I am been a member of the Bujinkan.
@ThegnThrand I'm not denying sword and shield has an advantage. I'm saying there are better ways of fighting against it w/ a two-handed weapon than what you guys show. Namely, the skills of the guys you are fighting against are pretty lacking. In the right hands, a katana is an extremely fast, agile and versitile weapon, which is not being well represented in your videos. Japanese armor is heavy, but it is very well distributed and much less restricting than Euro plate armor. (continued...)
@ThegnThrand Continued: The Viking would be armored as well, and I don't see how you can deny that such a large shield does slow you down and restrict your movement at least somewhat over a non-shielded opponent. Also, the matter of vision restriction of the shield - in Kashima Shinryu, we stand with the sword held low, which you would not be able to see at all over your shield, something which I'm sure could be used to a samurai's advantage.
@timmy155 The shield is center boss designed to be pushed out in to the opponent face to blind him of your actions wile seeing his it only weights around 7lbs to 9 lbs and is 3' in diameter no hindrance at all and excellent for punching. Your point I fight from the Samurai's side I practice Bujinkan and our next Video is Ninja/Samurai Vs. Spartan .This video is concluded from knowing both sides of this fight who has advantage out of 1000 fights not who would win each fight per say.
@ThegnThrand 7 to 9 lbs doesn't seem that light, especially if the fight lasts several minutes. In fact I read something by an ARMA or SCA guy talking about this very subject, saying that if the two-handed swordsman can hold out for a few minutes (assuming he's armored), the sword and shield wielder will begin to get tired heaving around the shield and start to slow down.
@timmy155 This is not true lol sorry but surely you jest I have fought in Shield walls and SCA tournaments for 22 years and even fought from 8 AM till 6PM at events in Wars and you still can wield the Sword and Shield you get tired but not due to the Shield per say and the Two handed wielder gets tired as well.
@ThegnThrand You truly are a warrior to be reckoned with! ;) But I was just pointing out what another guy presumably with experience in these matters as well had to say. Maybe the two of you should get together and hash it out!
Continued: Also, the multiple layers of Japanese lamellar armor provide much better shock absorption than mail/gambeson combo, and therefore better protection against concussive injuries. So while well defended, the Viking's options for attack are very limited, perhaps resulting in a stalemate of superior defense (Viking) vs. superior offense (Samurai). The shield can also be used offensively, but it does slow down the Viking relative to the shieldless Samurai, and can obstruct his vision.
Continued: Someone w/ better technique could cut easily and cleanly through the bone/bottle contraption you had in vid 3. You hacked at it, which is not how a katana is best used. Second, single sword vs. sword and shield is tough, but one thing you're not considering - if both combatants are armored (which they should be if a shield is in use), the one-handed sword absolutely CANNOT penetrate Japanese armor, either w/ slashes or thrusts. (Continued...)
@timmy155 The cut was not a hack it was a broken bone for one reason and not cut the Katana has a fatter Blade in thickness than the long sword providing better armour penetration wile slicing and cutting on certain armour types. So it broke the bone slowing the Katana down wile the long being wider and thinner was able to slice through retain most of its energy better to slice the bottle.
@ThegnThrand But take a look at the guy in the below video to see what superior skill with a katana can do. I'm sure he could cut cleanly through a bone taped to a bottle of water. (hopefully the web address works, if not just search for Isao Machii, and pick the video of him cutting through a steel plate)
@ThegnThrand Cool! Your skill with a Viking sword is indisputable. But...you'll never convince me that a swordsman like Isao couldn't cut through your bone/bottle contraption - unless you actually have video of him trying and failing! The thickness of the body of a katana and the taper to the fine edge is part of what gives it its cutting power, that and the supreme hardness of the edge of course. Plus Isao cut through a steel pipe in that same video. Your bone/bottle wouldn't stand a chance!
@timmy155 I can cut through a pipe as well look up cold steel armory they do this parlor trick all the time to sell their swords and news for you that pipe he cut was not steel.
@ThegnThrand That's great. I still say that your skill with a katana does not represent all a katana is capable of, far from it in fact. Unless you're trying to claim that you are as skilled as any other swordsman in the world, or in history.
@timmy155 I am a practicing member of the Bujinkan and have been for around the same time I have been into the SCA and Viking reenacment (22 years). may I ask your credentials and training and for how many years?If none who are you making you comparison then?
@ThegnThrand I already told you in an earlier post - I studied Kashima Shinryu kenjutsu under Karl Friday at UGA, attained the rank of chuden and received permission to train my own students. I've been training for a total of 9 1/2 years. I invite you to look up Kashima Shinryu and Karl Friday, since you don't seem to know much about them. When you do, you'll see that Kashima is one of the most revered and well-respected koryu kenjutsu styles in existence, and Dr. Friday one of its best teachers
@timmy155 The Katana is thick not thin like the broader European swords so it tends to break no cut bones sorry.We find this is true of the Xipos as well :P
@ThegnThrand Sorry, you're just dead wrong. The body of the blade is thick, but the edge - which actually does the cutting - is as finely honed as any Euro sword, and usually harder and sharper. Once again, Bujinkan notwithstanding, just because you couldn't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
I guess if anyone else is skilled and has a katana they could post a vid of themselves trying to cut through say a ribeye or something like that. Having never tried to cut through bone I can't say either way =P.
Also you are right about the hardness; katana edge was typically 6-15Rc harder, so an EU sword would lose it's edge a bit more quickly but be more durable, less prone to breaking or chipping. Both could be sharpened to the same extent(all in the angle, hardness only dictates how long it would hold it) and though it may dull a bit quicker it's got 2 edges to use. In the end, all swords are awesome =P
That is the big difference between the two, isn't it? For all the benefits that Thrand says viking armor provides, Samurai provides it and more by having more layers and having full coverage of the body, which means the Viking would either have to try and use two-handed weapons to pierce or crush through the armor (which exposes his own weaknesses) or be stuck trying to land a lucky stab in the vitals with a one-handed sword/axe that could do nothing against the most of the Samurai.
@TheManperson It does not have full coverage go look it up they target certain areas that are not as well protected. The sides of neck at certain angles the inside of arms and under arma no protection the in side of legs behind knee no protection just clothe some Japanese armour is weak at the waist as well. They teach us this in Bujinkan I have seen real Japanese amour up close way more gaps in coverage than European late century armour has.
No armor has full protection, but we're not comparing Japanese Armor to European Plate, we're comparing Japanese Armor to Viking Mail. The armor the samurai would be wearing would cover his chest, waist, shoulders, arms, legs, feet, and provide cursory protection to his vitals. The armor the Viking would be wearing protects his chest, upper arms and legs, and shoulders. Both would have helmets, but the viking would have more opens places to attack than the samurai.
@TheManperson What you are not getting the armor you keep talking about is not early period Japanese armor it is around 1700 to 1800+ were they always had that much coverage. The naginata became popular to to lack of leg armor. Then leg armor became more standard Naginata was not used much any more in battles.The Japanese had a pure Kusari era as well were it was the most common they did not always have full coverage with armor this is what you are assuming from watching the last samurai 1800's.
I watched all your videos, interesting stuff. Some things to consider though: first, your technique w/ the Viking sword is much better than your handling of the katana, so it is not an equal test. I'm not trying to bash you, just a critique. I know you train in Bujinkan. I studied Kashima Shinryu kenjutsu under Karl Friday at UGA, attained the rank of chuden and received permission to teach my own students, so I do have a somewhat informed opinion. (To be continued...)
@EvilDarkJackel I folded to simulate actual thickness and yes you can wear that much padding and it was worn underneath at all times. the only exception was in very hot climate Crusaders sometimes removed the padding or wore it on the out side with many layers of clothe over to stop sun from heating mail to flesh searing point. In norther Europe it is cold so padding felt good and could have been made from hair and horse hair being extremely cut resistant and well as linen which was as well.
The Water Bottles represent flesh not bone but no they prove nothing other the speed of the two weapons we were comparing.The pillow? You mean Gambeson is a padded jerkin or under garment worn under chain and can stop some sword slashes by it self. yes this was almost always worn with mail and helps keep the mail from being damaged or penetrated as easily and provides blows absorption as well.
That's extremely impressive that you could draw a 120lb. bow, that's just a bit shy of the old english longbows. Do you have a manufacturer/model for that we could check up on? Would love to see a 150 lb draw bow and a needle bodkin tipped arrow shot against that mail, see just what the poor foot soldiers of medieval europe had to deal with from those damn english archers.
@WitheringintheDark This had Nothing to do with the old welsh long bow it was about Deadliest Warrior Viking Vs. Samurai they tested the Yumi that was why we did this and to prove arrows do not go clean through with out special Bodkin shaped head and a extremely powerful bow. It was to show even if he was hit in the body it would not be an instant kill most likely. Although the shield would have worked 90% time on a charge to archer in his defense.
@Ramyeonman Actually water bottles are not as easy as you are thinking to cut it has to be done properly and is like flesh not bone mind you but this was a speed test between the katana same weight as Deadliest Warrior used against the 9th century long sword. Water provides more resistance with speed if you do not believe me take a stick or sword and swing as fast as you can hitting a pool of water it will slow it down considerably and those plastic bottles can not just be sliced.
heres another interesting test Secrets of the Viking Warriors - Raiders by Design 1/2 - Part 3 a nat geo show, they dont test the maille against an arow but a spear, and its interesting how mch difference the padding makes against blows, they also test three different forms of rivted maille. the one based on actual finds which is riveted/ solid links proves strongest almost stops the spearthrust by itself. it goes in less than half the distance of other maille weaves. all using riveted maille.
@elgostine Yes the Padding or Gambeson under the armor is very important you notice I use it Bow test in this 3 part series and it stops the heavy compound bow easily with a small hardened tapered arrow head( Bodkin like) the padding makes sure the mail has give to absorb the force and not get damaged meaning you don't get stuck :P
It was really good but one thing you should have improved was to make it look a little more professional by going to an open field, or at least cleaning your back yard of all the weeds and tall grass
This is Eldgrimr. Thrand and I have acquired a new camera. New video series coming out soon. Thrand will be on the Deadliest Podcast with Jay and Kirby. Just google Deadliest Podcast and you'll find a link to jay and kirby productions. The message board has a thread titled Jay and Kirby are going to talk to Thrand.
Hey every won who ever Doubted me or likes my videos googe the Deadliest Warrior pod cast and listen to the latest Casey Hendershot Pod Cast .That is the Deadliest Warrior Pod Cast google it :P
Sorry, I just have to ask. How exactly is the chainmail made ? I kinow in another clip you say silver solder. Is there any chance that you can put up a how to clip, or refer me to one? Because frankly what i saw your chainmail do is what I always suspected should be the case. After all almost any warrior culture had it for millenia. Nobody would do that if it ripped aprt so easily. So since your mail does the trick: How to make or get one ?
ive studied scottish warfare and do scottish reenactments...and never was a ball and chain used to break a wall...for the scots..during wallaces time at least...the scots main tactic was a schiltrom..which is basically a wall of spears...if the scots came across a shield wall they would use bows..scots had bows to they werent barbaric poor farmer people like some people like to portray them as.
@Seldanas Honestly, I thought the matchups were totally fucked up, Viking Vs Spartan should have been one, as well as Knight vs Samurai and who can forget Pirate vs Ninja! Spartan hoplites really are shrouded mostly in myth, and have been popularized so much, I wouldn't consider them "unbeatable", in fact I was supprised the Samurai didn't get the edge in that match-up
@TheSpurtus No I want Deadliest Warrior to actually do what they say they are and use Historical research and real experts and represent the Warriors and time periods properly. If not they need to State its just an entertainment program scripted and based on Fantasy not History and Science Because saying its Historical and scientific Dishonors every ones ancestors and contributes to the ignorance of future society of the world.
I like deadliest warrior but the choice of host is terrible, they have a computer nerd, a docter who treats wounds from car crashes and construction accidents, and a guy who, besides being a black belt, knows nothing about the warriors matching up and rarely (if ever) makes an intelligent comment.
@lordbeaker Vikings started by using Frankish Swords which were pattern welded from different Steel pieces of different carbon content welded together to form excellent blades ,before Viking smiths became proficient with these techniques them selves. So the swords were extremely durable and had razor sharp edges.The technique was akin to Damascus steel but not quite the same. Accounts of razor edges like a sword that cut a hair floating on top of water.Like The sword described in Beowulf.
@lordbeaker To answer your questions the Swords we are testing would be of equal sharpness to my studies but would be produced differently and about same weights. The historical counterparts would retain edges better and could even be more durable but a razor sharp blade is still razor sharp. A lot of whats important is durability and and edge retention. Light sabers did not exist even though every one seems to believe so. Almost any armor even clothe possibly can stop an edge.
@EhSteve8690 the bow he used in this??? a longbow had a 105 pound draw wereas this has a 120 pound draw (for some reason this has transfered form one of his other vids were he tests chainmail against a bow XD)
@TheFaRrElL494HD It might be that the clips aren't in the right order. It happened in "Aftermath 2 of 3" with the axe; just an editing error. At the end of the arrow test, I think he said, "I do not think they made a Yumi over 90 pounds." Now I know what you were talking about.
ok I'm a fan now. You should do a video on the aztec jaguar vs zande warrior fight. That episode was filled with inaccuracies. and also the gladiator vs apache.
One more point all historical Documents state the the art of the ninja was stealth,espionage,Spying,tools for it and psychology that it entails. They do not mention that they had their own martial art for killing and fighting during the waring era. It was common to train with different schools and was not illegal to do so at that period nor carry swords/weapons and wear armor .From what we can tell the ninja would have had the same training as the Samurai such as kenjutsu, ,kumi-uchi ect.
@KnightValhalla So if you looked that up, You would not be making a fool of you self. The history of the ninja goes back further than Okinawan weapons and the martial study of them.you your self said these were modified tools used by peasants that is true. They came from Okinawa no they are not the true implements but came about in the non waring era around 1600 when weapons and martial training to peasants was banned. We have two factors then from one area from too late a period.
@ThegnThrand Most sources indicate that the skills that became ninjutsu, the ninja's art of stealth, began to develop between 600-900 A.D. Prince Shotoku, (574-622), is said to have employed Otomono Sahito as a shinobi spy.
Compared too
Okinawa
1477, he banned the practice of martial arts. Tō-te and kobudō continued to be taught in secret. The ban was continued in 1609 after Okinawa was invaded by the Satsuma Domain of Japan. The bans contributed to the development of kobudō, Sai and Nunchaku
@ThegnThrand I might add Okinawa is not part of the Japanese main land and at the time you speak of was not part of Japan even. Meaning the Ninja would not have had contact with the people who created the Sai and Nunchaku if they had existed in the time time of the ninja/shinobi. Also the Jutte would not be used till after 1600 either.
@KnightValhalla In 1429, the three kingdoms on Okinawa unified to form the Kingdom of Ryūkyū. When King Shō Shin came into power in 1477, he banned the practice of martial arts. Tō-te and kobudō continued to be taught in secret. The ban was continued in 1609 after Okinawa was invaded by the Satsuma Domain of Japan. The bans contributed to the development of kobudō, which uses common household and farming implements as weaponry.
@KnightValhalla yes I banned you before ,you are not banned now manperson on that account either. The higher ups or true Ninja were of the Samurai class originally being Ronin .The Sai and Nunchaku are both specifically Okinawan and from that province meaning there are no historical accounts of the ninja being or coming from there at all ever historically. The Sai and Nunchaku was not used during the waring era pre 1600 that I know of weapons were not illegal then nor practicing martial arts.
@KnightValhalla yes and Deadliest Warrior should have as well. Remember the Shinobi/Ninja was a Warrior like commando as well as a spy in the Heyday prior to that era. They even fought in open field Battles most high ranks were Ronin and Bushi.
The Edo Period (1603-1868) brought stability and peace to Japan, bringing the ninja story to a close.They may have still been around. Ninja skills and legends survived, though, and were embellished to enliven the movies, games and comic books of today.
What EXACTLY means that someone with a job cannot properly represent a specific warrior? Hnmh? You have a job, do you not? You claim to speak for the Viking, and you have a job. He has a job, and claims to speak for the Ninja. What exactly is the difference between you two?
I seem to think you are mistaking "Scripted" for "Fake." Did you have an idea what you were going to say to the camera before you turned it on? If you did, you had a mental script.
@KnightValhalla I used no script and showed test as they were done. As for Deadliest Warrior why are all the experts actors,stuntmen, Fight choreographers and comedians. Very few have ever been unknowns are history buffs actually only two I can count history and an unknown.
I urge any one to start googling the experts and see how many have resume , sites and reels to apply for acting jobs and say nothing about ever studying or having any experience about any thing they portrayed on DW.
I said there is documented successful assassination in Japanese history. If going to quote me do it right.
The Ninja or the Samurai would have beaten the Spartan more often due to him being set up as a formation fighter and his gear was ancient and inferior to the Japanese.
How am I supposed to quote you correctly when you can't even speak correctly?
"There is documented successful assassination in Japanese History" you say. Does this mean that you are taking back your previous statement that Ninja were never hired as Assassins? Or are you, once again, typing poorly?
I would say the show is just about cutting pig carcasses . Any sword used historically always cuts to or though the bone with out armor they all kill if hit what they are aiming at flesh does not ever put up resistance at all so what good is this.Max says he has to put in special programming for these extreme wounds. You mean to tell me the computer program took 7 years to write (Max being 21 and alters it at whim?)and it dose not already have an instant death parameter sounds like D&D to me.
"It dose not already have an instant death parameter sounds like D&D to me."
First of all: Nearly every single episode they talk about instant kills. What was mentioned in the Wallace episode was things like dismemberment, which is incredibly hard to do.
Secondly: Max didn't write the entire program from scratch, why do you think there's such a big hooplah about that Slytherin place?
Thirdly: Programmers can alter programs. Holy crap what a surprise.
So what we need to do is ask our selves if they made these Warriors up over hundreds of years mix matching weapons and even adding stuff like Wallace's ball and chain the Scottish never used to break shield walls or a weapon for throwing at all. They also said he wore Chain armor not riveted , never used historically. Then what are these guys doing? They do not follow proper scientific comparison of arms and armor either nor take into account actual fighting style or the era.
This ignorance to picking a time and social class and making up a combination spanning hundreds of years brings up all kinds of inaccurate comparisons allowing them to say any one that want will win and misrepresenting all this warriors from history. Look at the Ninja he could have used fire skills, explosives and fire arms. The Samurai with armor they said he had should have a had fire arm as well and the Knight could have had a hand cannon easily or heavy lance and cross bow.
A major problem with Deadliest Warrior they pick a warrior and use stereotype based on what every one expects not the actual historical counterpart. If the pick the Viking which could span many social classes regions and time periods they do not specify which century nor do they specify rank and social class. Instead they make up a generic warrior that has nothing to do with history spanning several hundred years. The ninja lets say could come from many different times over 800 years.
What they should do on Deadliest Warrior, is pick 2 of the experts, give them their warriors weapons (training ones so they don't get sued) and have them go at it. Like give the guy representing the Romans the Gladius and scutum and the samurai his katana and let them have at each other and see who gets the most kills.
@CuteKittyBiggles By this reply we can tell that you are of genius intelligence level your I.Q is much higher than any one on Deadliest Warrior and we will not reply as to try to keep from embarrassing you more than it all ready seems you have done.
@tyger0603 It was to prove you can't hit one target four times in the same amount of time as four targets in one swing. DW always forgets that you still have to recover your weapon to follow up an attack.
@EhSteve8690 dude im commenting on the fact that you didnt use a stopwatch,not the aspect of fighting.DW is a fake series..not because they dont use cultural backgrounds or what not.because of all the methods that they use in order to gauge the skill of the warrior and the effect of teh weapon.just stabbing at random stuff aint enough and in order to start and experiment.all the factors should be similar (almost 100%)to each other.its simple science.in DW its not.thus its not a scientific!
As a practitioner of kenjutsu for four years I agree that the sword technique is wrong, and that a katana is much more effective in the hands of a capable user. The sword should be raised over the head for maximum cutting power. However, I disagree on the inherent superiority of asian martial arts. Fact is, European martial arts, while equally complex, were abandoned with the introduction of gunpowder. The Japanese kept their traditions in a purer form, but this does not mean they were superior.
@DoctorSargeMD Viacom (owners of Spike TV) removed the episodes. All you can find now are response videos, final battle videos (some were removed by Viacom), and parodies.
THIS IS SO STUPID they compare wrong wepons togheter and katana single handedly can cutt through all the wooden wepons of hte viking..
samurai was much quicker and had a more advaned armor..
katana could cutt down the spearks.. their exposed necks . they could shoot down the viking if htey had 4 archmen on the back road of the attack..
i thought it was plain and simple dumbed down to make entertainment.. the katana could cutt down axe handle. arm. the speers.. and in sword fight who would win?
@TheRogueMonk the cuts with the boradsword i see in your video require agression and streangth while the katana was designed to be possible to cutt for most people using tehcnique and not so much streangth that is A BIG pluss. .also the katana would be very light
i would definetly say that a samurai warrior should have had also a higher degree of fitness to be able to execute nearly aerodynamic movements.. i know cause i do aikido and the way we have to move is incredibly hard
@TheRogueMonk LOL THIS IS RUBISH you used more force when you used the broad sword common! haha
you can say all you want.. but samurai was a much more complex warrior and would win hands down.. and besides without armor and weapons samuri would still win
@TheRogueMonk The Long sword of the 9th century does put out more force than the katana due to simple physics. Skill will not make up for the weapon style used. Even with out armor on either opponent the Viking would win more fights out of 1000 than the Samurai if the Viking was using Sword and Shield against any weapon depicted the Samurai used on Deadliest Warrior.
The Samurai was not more complex that a Viking Jarl or Hersir . All warriors since the beginning of time were very complex :P
@ThegnThrand but the katana in my belief is not even a sword its a stick with an edge and is used to slice and not truly cut ... i cant dispute the fact that chianmail and leather is too though for it but i would say katana is superior because it can be used by many people unlike most other swords who require a good swinging arm and a strong arm.. this might sound like a bad argument but its relative..
also in minimal armor situations katana would be best.. but its all cultural to their time
@ThegnThrand i think that wepons seem to change according to the peoples bodybuild and culture.. if you notice they are all weak compared to each other because they are dictated by their current cultures and situations only..
eventhough i say that the samurai was highly omre advanced but it is only according to their time ..vikings must have been the most advanced at their time .. i see very clear paralells viking = samurai is more true alike then dislike.. they were bred propaganda of war
@ThegnThrand think about it . the samurai is a modern version of the viking.. they were told almost the same things.. while somethings changed due to advancements of general public so they had to change some details.. who knows if the samurai before them they had vikings of their own that belived in vaallhalla and hel..
i think its basic military propeganda mixed with religion that exist in any militia since dawn of time.. die go to heaven for your country.. war IS life and LIFE is WAR .
@TheRogueMonk the only problem the Samurai did not use shields in single combat due to honor which would make him more modern but at a major disadvantage . This is all I have been saying European battle field was tested against all nations and styles of combat sword and shield reined supreme. The Japanese on the other only fought and won wars against them selves. Meaning they could fight any way they wanted due to honor with out major consequences but against a European army they would fall.
@ThegnThrand that is not true.. samurais could take over hte whole asia but htey did not.. much like mongolians.. samurai WAS the viking of their century..
also the samurai DID HAVE SHIELD they had wrist padding and glowes which was sort of a shield.. its not true that they did not have protection.. they did .. their protection prob was much more coverage then vikings had. I just dont know how effective their armor would be to european weapons. .
@ThegnThrand keep on dreaming.. you cant compare the vikings to the modern version of vikings that were actually the samurai.. its like comparing old ford to new ford...
if the vikings had lived as long as to the day of samurais and well over then you could prob see that i am telling the truth cause people evolve so does fighting skills .. its not like time stood still since viking time..
if i tmakes you feel better keep believing that no prob but htis is simple logic not my biased opinion
@ThegnThrand pluss you seem to have this incredibly scewed idea that japanese warriors were weak .. FAR FROM TEH TRUTH both ninja warriors and samurai warriors underwent a much harder body conditioning .. we all know how bruce lee was well that was because he tried to live up to his art potencial.. the samurai were both mentally and physically prepared unlike todays modern budo.. i am very confident that 1 samurai was much more strong and endurant then 5 or 10 warrios or viking era ...EVOLVE
@TheRogueMonk The ninja would have beat the spartan I plan on doing a video on this but have not had much time .I have practiced with and do with the Bujinkan and this is were I am basing my opinions on both sides. I also have fought in several medieval society's the main being the SCA. Masaaki Hatsumi is one of the greatest teachers and historians of Japanese combat arts. The Japanese were not weak of poor warriors and far from it.
@TheRogueMonk The sword and shield would give the Viking the win though out of a Thousand battles against the weapons depicted on the Program Deadliest Warrior. The Samurai was not depicted accurately at all nor was the Viking. Like I said I have knowledge of both sides. So in my opinion and many who have fought cross styles the Sword and shield would have came out on top in that situation more often that is why I made this video and to stand up for the Samurai and the Viking against DW.
@ThegnThrand i dot understand that you dont realize that the armor of the samurai was his shield..
just caus someone holds a shield does not make hima good warrior.. it all depends on who is using the wepons.. unless you have them fight today its all speculation.
i am very ocnfident that samurai was much modern and much more evolved combatant also had much more martial arts expertize .. based on everything .. samurai was the modern viking .. there is no way the best viking could win over
@ThegnThrand you have your opinion i have mine. I dont think you can ever convince me that the viking would win over the samurai.. you cant base it on simple things like a shield .. there is much more to real war then playing with weapons and basing it on that
@TheRogueMonk Although separated by time and land, vikings and samurai had alot in common and used alot of the same weaponry. I guess if you go at it for long enough you'll find the best way to kill your enemy.
But the thing that did separate them alot was the shield and believe me, it gives a huge advantage in single combat.
Can you agree with me that a viking hersir or Jarl (warrior and noble) had the same level of stamina strength and speed as a samurai warrior. Not counting the equipment.
@Grottman96 no i cannot agree with you... the samurai had better diet cause they lived in better times.. they had more constant training cause they were local and had more time..
if the samurai and viking were living in viking time then viking would win.. its obvious that the viking were good cause they had control over their times problems .. but samurai had the advantage in their time..
i dont like to compare these two because as you also said they are the same but from different times
@TheRogueMonk According to what I've read vikings had the better diet. More meat and milk products. According to sources viking hersir and Jarls also trained constantly from the time they were twelve.
It is my belief that a scandinavian has the same potential to build muscle just as a japanese can.
Therefore I conqur with thrand that we should lay more weight on fighting styles and equipment more than on whose the strongest/fastest etc.
@Grottman96 they are like two causins and that is it..
i mean you have to consider that the time, the consistancy .. whealth.. and all that was much more in the future time of the new viking that was samurai.. and it is a huge advantage..
technology does affect IMMENSELY .. had the viking been in the future and had the same convinience they would prob take over the world.. teh japanese refused to expand japan.. but the viking would love to take over the world. The viking were deff though
Medevil bow where150 pounds
SuperRoadkill10 2 weeks ago
What was the point of linking to Brett Chan's wedding video on your myspace? The man can't have a personal life and be a martial arts expert at the same time?
21fretsalute 2 weeks ago
When the samurai class in its infancy in its own little island, the Vikings built the world's finest ships, made the great geographical discoveries, battled with dozens of different people and won. How many lands and peoples conquered the Vikings and how many samurai who fought in their small clan wars?
MrRobaut 1 month ago
AND UR USING BOTTLES NO PIG BODIES OR BALLISTIC GEL U DNT KNO NOTIN!
crazyshark8000 1 month ago
sooooo basicly your saying people who are experts somtimes even desendents of these warriors are actors? ARE YOU STUPID?! DISLIKE TO THE 50TH DEGREE
crazyshark8000 1 month ago
Lol stick to larp'ing or w/e, i'm not going to take some guys with pony tails playing in their backyards claiming to be "students of anthropology" any more serious than Spike (which is not serious programming in the first place).
BabaRamDass 1 month ago
Deadliest Warrior is fun, but it's crap
Macovic 3 months ago
Sorry to say guys but 1:25 i did not beleve my ears.. "long sword speed test"? xD thats not a long sword dude!
howlingvamp123 3 months ago
@howlingvamp123 : I would say that the definition of swords into classes based on length are relative terms, and only have importance if applied to the time period in question. The "viking swords" were double edged swords with blades generally longer than 70 cm(evolving to 90-100cm in the late viking age), and is a long sword relative to the single edged short swords with blades shorter than 60cm that was primarily used during the early viking age.
Ts6451 3 months ago
I think it's a great mistake that the Viking in Deadliest Warriors were not equipped with bows, after all the combination of melee and archery capability seemed to give the Vikings great advantage in battles against most of their foes.
But then again the whole show is somewhat stupid....
HaNsWiDjAjA 4 months ago
I always love seeing chainmail myths disproved.
ChishioAme 5 months ago
Uhh didnt they have 160 pound bows in the medievil times?
k00lkane 6 months ago
@k00lkane Yeah thats the question I was going to ask until I saw your comment. There WERE bows that were used in ancient times that had even higher draw weights than that compound bow. For English longbows used in war, they are estimated to be around 150 pounds based on the bows recovered from the sunken ship, Mary Rose. As for other cultures, im sure they also used high draw weights for their bows. Maybe by powerful, he meant arrow speed instead of draw weight.
LotusDragon09 5 months ago
@k00lkane Yeah thats the question I was going to ask until I saw your comment. There WERE bows that were used in ancient times that had even higher draw weights than that compound bow. For English longbows used in war, they are estimated to be around 150 pounds based on the bows recovered from the sunken ship, Mary Rose. As for other cultures, im sure they also used high draw weights for their bows. Maybe by powerful, he meant arrow speed instead of draw weight.
LotusDragon09 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@k00lkane Yeah thats the question I was going to ask until I saw your comment. There WERE bows that were used in ancient times that had even higher draw weights than that compound bow. For English longbows used in war, they are estimated to be around 150 pounds based on the bows recovered from the sunken ship, Mary Rose. As for other cultures, im sure they also used high draw weights for their bows. Maybe by powerful, he meant arrow speed instead of draw weight.
LotusDragon09 5 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel That plate existed well before the knights.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel The ancient Greeks had plate armor. It was bronze and not steel but it was plate armor. The Romans lorica segmentata was layered plate.
What we call plate armor developed in the 12th and 13th centuries and became what we know today around the 14th century.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel Not any better than western armor. Japanese armor was mostly lacquered leather, inlaid with some metal plates to reinforce. Sometimes they used metal scales, and late period samurai had a coat of plates. There is a reason why the Europeans replaced the coat of plates with 1 solid piece, it protects better.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel But the straight sword will do more blunt force damage to the body through the armor. There is a reason people used maces and warhammers against heavy armor. Neither would actually pierce plate, but the force of the blow will still transfer through and injure the man in armor.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel You get what I am trying to get at though right? Hacking with a straight sword is more effective at transferring the energy of the blow through the armor than cutting with a curved sword. Hacking at cutting are 2 different things. Axes do hacking, razor blades do cutting.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel Thrand's response to locked&loaded is good evidence.
Straight blades bite in due to the angle of impact. Curved blades are like hitting a nail at an angle while straight are like hitting it head on. Straight blades stick into the armor and transfer their energy while curved don't as well.
Not if you know how to work with the balance. I can easily get 2 or 3 swings in a second. Work with the spirit in the axe and it will obey you. Work against it, and it will betray you.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel My axe is about 2 lbs and the warspike can easily pierce most anything you put in its way. While it is blade heavy (of course) it is rather easy to wield even for a scrawny fellow like me when you work with the balance.
Large 2 handed axes weighed 3-4 lbs, which isn't much more than a katana (which was in the 2-3 range usually).
Curved blades glance off due to the shape, lowering damage. Straight swords don't glance near as much and transfer the full force through the armor.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel You ever try getting around a large shield? It is far from easy, especially with a spear.
As for piercing the armor, that is untrue. Many 1 handed weapons were capable of defeating late period plate armor (like the mace or warspike). The longsword would be able to defeat Japanese armor mainly due to the blunt force. Straight swords are far better against armor than curved swords since they bite into the steel and deliver force through the armor instead of simply glancing off.
demomanchaos 7 months ago
You guys have as much credability as a cheap whore promising that she loves you.
dustbin lid to represent plate. dumb as fuck.
ice0ice0age 8 months ago
@ice0ice0age This is Thrand!!!
Well John We did this especially for you look here on youtube
Thrand and Eldgrimr's Responce to Lock N' Load Blades
/watch?v=avnjDouvuRc
Sorry results are the same :P
And the new video
Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai
/watch?v=mNj5HiCPx1I
Where is my 50 dollars my arse hurts and no lard either John you suck :P
ThegnThrand 7 months ago
It is not a japanese art, but a korean one that mimics japanese sword techniques in every way (it was established during japan's control of korea, when korean martial arts were banned). The only real difference is names of techniques are in korean. The only time the sword is used one handed is on the draw, and of course while putting away the blade. Use of two hands just takes more advantage of the katana's curve. I'll try to find a link for you
tcgthevidiots 8 months ago
Hey, I'm sorry if I offended you. Just in my years of haidong gumdo training, I have never seen a katana used in the way you swing it with one hand. I have always experienced the use of one guide hand and one power hand to take advantage of the katana's curve. And what I mean is, as an army, the Samurai had more advanced battle strategies that would give them an edge. Again, sorry if I came off as disrespectful, because I am partial to viking culture myself.
tcgthevidiots 8 months ago
@tcgthevidiots Katana are used one handed quite often Historically? You are telling me there is a Japanese art that does not do that ? I believe you but odd. I am a member and practitioner of the Bujinkan arts we do this all the timeiaijutsupretty much demands it be done this way . Even Miyamoto Musashi Thought katana should be used one handed at times and duel wielded them as his primary style. Although there is more power two handed by far or should I say follow through as well as control.
ThegnThrand 8 months ago
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but you are not very good with the katana. I love the vikings, and I am most likely biased towards them because of my Danish heritage, but the Samurai would have won any day of the week. They had time tested organized battle tactics that were much more advanced than the vikings' shield walls and charges.
tcgthevidiots 8 months ago
@tcgthevidiots Please check out my latest Video " Deadliest Warrior : Thrand's Spartan Vs. Ninja / Samurai " /watch?v=mNj5HiCPx1I on You Tube. I am and have been a member of the Bujinkan for as long as I have been a Viking reenactor and SCA'er. Meaning I know both sides of the fight. Your Opinion of my Katana usage is bogus you have no skill from this statement. Your opinion must be coming from fantasy movies and media and an unrealistic expectations.
ThegnThrand 8 months ago
@ThegnThrand "Your opinion must be coming from fantasy movies and media and an unrealistic expectations." Exactly! They're over glorified and are effective in their own lands. But against chain mail alone is enough for me to stick with the Vikings.
Samurai, Ninja, and Katana's are so mainstream nowadays that's why you see every 14 year old pubescent kid say the Katana would win cause they saw it in Naruto.
stoicfan 4 months ago
(cont) imbalanced weapon (such as a mace) will be harder to swing but will deal more concussive force. The cutting edge is irrelevant IMHO. Thrand shows the speed comparison of the two and they are about equal. I think this speaks well of the katana as the larger heavier weapon can be just as fast as the one handed weapon. I still think the Viking would narrowly win due to the shield and his mail, but the ways the swords differ in usage deserves mentioning in any hypothetical encounter.
JHanson712 9 months ago 2
(cont) means that not all of its weight is focused on the blade. Normally this isn't a problem because the katana wasn't made to bash (it's ill-advised for the fragile edge) but to quickly slash and stab at weak points on the opponent. In fact, some kenjutsu moves are precisely meant to make the enemy vulnerable so the cutting edge can do its work. The katana will not break bones (bash) as well as the Viking sword because that is not its job. I can't speak for the Viking, but I know an...
JHanson712 9 months ago 2
Here are my two cents:
A katana has a longer, heavier handle relative to its blade than the Viking sword does. As a student of kenjutsu for the past five years I know this is a great advantage when drawing the sword out quickly to attack in a move (such as shohatstuo) or changing the direction of the sword very quickly in order to counterattack (uko nagash). It also allows for quick, well-controlled cuts against targets because the sword is well-balanced. However, the balance of the katana ...
JHanson712 9 months ago 2
where the hell do you live??
raztin1 9 months ago
Continued: Point is, while sword/shield combo lends an advantage over a single sword, there are better techniques to use than what you guys show. As the samurai, I would try to focus more on using my superior speed and attack not the shield, but the Viking's sword arm and weaker right side, which I can dominate with my stronger two-handed weapon. Really, drawing the Viking into attacking me would be best, because he can't penetrate my armor and his arm will be exposed from behind the shield.
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 This is how you fight a sword and shield with a two handed weapon but knowing this does mean you have the technical advantage due to gear and the Samurai weapons did not only weight only 3lbs and Japanese armour was around 50 to 66 lbs so what speed advantage we prove their is not much using the 3lb blade DW described.The sword and shield can block as well as attack at the same time the Katana can not I fight both styles that's how I know this . I am been a member of the Bujinkan.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand I'm not denying sword and shield has an advantage. I'm saying there are better ways of fighting against it w/ a two-handed weapon than what you guys show. Namely, the skills of the guys you are fighting against are pretty lacking. In the right hands, a katana is an extremely fast, agile and versitile weapon, which is not being well represented in your videos. Japanese armor is heavy, but it is very well distributed and much less restricting than Euro plate armor. (continued...)
timmy155 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand Continued: The Viking would be armored as well, and I don't see how you can deny that such a large shield does slow you down and restrict your movement at least somewhat over a non-shielded opponent. Also, the matter of vision restriction of the shield - in Kashima Shinryu, we stand with the sword held low, which you would not be able to see at all over your shield, something which I'm sure could be used to a samurai's advantage.
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 The shield is center boss designed to be pushed out in to the opponent face to blind him of your actions wile seeing his it only weights around 7lbs to 9 lbs and is 3' in diameter no hindrance at all and excellent for punching. Your point I fight from the Samurai's side I practice Bujinkan and our next Video is Ninja/Samurai Vs. Spartan .This video is concluded from knowing both sides of this fight who has advantage out of 1000 fights not who would win each fight per say.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand 7 to 9 lbs doesn't seem that light, especially if the fight lasts several minutes. In fact I read something by an ARMA or SCA guy talking about this very subject, saying that if the two-handed swordsman can hold out for a few minutes (assuming he's armored), the sword and shield wielder will begin to get tired heaving around the shield and start to slow down.
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 This is not true lol sorry but surely you jest I have fought in Shield walls and SCA tournaments for 22 years and even fought from 8 AM till 6PM at events in Wars and you still can wield the Sword and Shield you get tired but not due to the Shield per say and the Two handed wielder gets tired as well.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand You truly are a warrior to be reckoned with! ;) But I was just pointing out what another guy presumably with experience in these matters as well had to say. Maybe the two of you should get together and hash it out!
timmy155 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand Point is, though what you show here is interesting, it is not the end all be all
timmy155 9 months ago
Continued: Also, the multiple layers of Japanese lamellar armor provide much better shock absorption than mail/gambeson combo, and therefore better protection against concussive injuries. So while well defended, the Viking's options for attack are very limited, perhaps resulting in a stalemate of superior defense (Viking) vs. superior offense (Samurai). The shield can also be used offensively, but it does slow down the Viking relative to the shieldless Samurai, and can obstruct his vision.
timmy155 9 months ago
Continued: Someone w/ better technique could cut easily and cleanly through the bone/bottle contraption you had in vid 3. You hacked at it, which is not how a katana is best used. Second, single sword vs. sword and shield is tough, but one thing you're not considering - if both combatants are armored (which they should be if a shield is in use), the one-handed sword absolutely CANNOT penetrate Japanese armor, either w/ slashes or thrusts. (Continued...)
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 The cut was not a hack it was a broken bone for one reason and not cut the Katana has a fatter Blade in thickness than the long sword providing better armour penetration wile slicing and cutting on certain armour types. So it broke the bone slowing the Katana down wile the long being wider and thinner was able to slice through retain most of its energy better to slice the bottle.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand But take a look at the guy in the below video to see what superior skill with a katana can do. I'm sure he could cut cleanly through a bone taped to a bottle of water. (hopefully the web address works, if not just search for Isao Machii, and pick the video of him cutting through a steel plate)
watch?v=RyO46RQhYkQ
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 This is Thrand!!!
He could not cut through the Bone with a Katana with out breaking the bone because the katana blade is too fat.
Here is my reply to that Video!!! on Youtube!!!
Viking Challenge! Long Sword cutting Steel Plate Thrand , Reply to Samurai Challenge
/watch?v=reec-2QBGw4
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand Cool! Your skill with a Viking sword is indisputable. But...you'll never convince me that a swordsman like Isao couldn't cut through your bone/bottle contraption - unless you actually have video of him trying and failing! The thickness of the body of a katana and the taper to the fine edge is part of what gives it its cutting power, that and the supreme hardness of the edge of course. Plus Isao cut through a steel pipe in that same video. Your bone/bottle wouldn't stand a chance!
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 I can cut through a pipe as well look up cold steel armory they do this parlor trick all the time to sell their swords and news for you that pipe he cut was not steel.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand That's great. I still say that your skill with a katana does not represent all a katana is capable of, far from it in fact. Unless you're trying to claim that you are as skilled as any other swordsman in the world, or in history.
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 I am a practicing member of the Bujinkan and have been for around the same time I have been into the SCA and Viking reenacment (22 years). may I ask your credentials and training and for how many years?If none who are you making you comparison then?
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand My current study lab is wanyunloong:com you can look them up if you like :P
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand I already told you in an earlier post - I studied Kashima Shinryu kenjutsu under Karl Friday at UGA, attained the rank of chuden and received permission to train my own students. I've been training for a total of 9 1/2 years. I invite you to look up Kashima Shinryu and Karl Friday, since you don't seem to know much about them. When you do, you'll see that Kashima is one of the most revered and well-respected koryu kenjutsu styles in existence, and Dr. Friday one of its best teachers
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155 Supreme hardness? As opposed to what?
TheScandinavianOne 9 months ago
@timmy155 The Katana is thick not thin like the broader European swords so it tends to break no cut bones sorry.We find this is true of the Xipos as well :P
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand Sorry, you're just dead wrong. The body of the blade is thick, but the edge - which actually does the cutting - is as finely honed as any Euro sword, and usually harder and sharper. Once again, Bujinkan notwithstanding, just because you couldn't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
timmy155 9 months ago
@timmy155
I guess if anyone else is skilled and has a katana they could post a vid of themselves trying to cut through say a ribeye or something like that. Having never tried to cut through bone I can't say either way =P.
WitheringintheDark 9 months ago
@timmy155
Also you are right about the hardness; katana edge was typically 6-15Rc harder, so an EU sword would lose it's edge a bit more quickly but be more durable, less prone to breaking or chipping. Both could be sharpened to the same extent(all in the angle, hardness only dictates how long it would hold it) and though it may dull a bit quicker it's got 2 edges to use. In the end, all swords are awesome =P
WitheringintheDark 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand
as if you've ever used an actual katana against actual bone.
TheManperson 9 months ago
@timmy155
That is the big difference between the two, isn't it? For all the benefits that Thrand says viking armor provides, Samurai provides it and more by having more layers and having full coverage of the body, which means the Viking would either have to try and use two-handed weapons to pierce or crush through the armor (which exposes his own weaknesses) or be stuck trying to land a lucky stab in the vitals with a one-handed sword/axe that could do nothing against the most of the Samurai.
TheManperson 9 months ago
@TheManperson It does not have full coverage go look it up they target certain areas that are not as well protected. The sides of neck at certain angles the inside of arms and under arma no protection the in side of legs behind knee no protection just clothe some Japanese armour is weak at the waist as well. They teach us this in Bujinkan I have seen real Japanese amour up close way more gaps in coverage than European late century armour has.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
@ThegnThrand
No armor has full protection, but we're not comparing Japanese Armor to European Plate, we're comparing Japanese Armor to Viking Mail. The armor the samurai would be wearing would cover his chest, waist, shoulders, arms, legs, feet, and provide cursory protection to his vitals. The armor the Viking would be wearing protects his chest, upper arms and legs, and shoulders. Both would have helmets, but the viking would have more opens places to attack than the samurai.
TheManperson 9 months ago
@TheManperson What you are not getting the armor you keep talking about is not early period Japanese armor it is around 1700 to 1800+ were they always had that much coverage. The naginata became popular to to lack of leg armor. Then leg armor became more standard Naginata was not used much any more in battles.The Japanese had a pure Kusari era as well were it was the most common they did not always have full coverage with armor this is what you are assuming from watching the last samurai 1800's.
ThegnThrand 9 months ago
I watched all your videos, interesting stuff. Some things to consider though: first, your technique w/ the Viking sword is much better than your handling of the katana, so it is not an equal test. I'm not trying to bash you, just a critique. I know you train in Bujinkan. I studied Kashima Shinryu kenjutsu under Karl Friday at UGA, attained the rank of chuden and received permission to teach my own students, so I do have a somewhat informed opinion. (To be continued...)
timmy155 9 months ago
Comment removed
timmy155 9 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel I folded to simulate actual thickness and yes you can wear that much padding and it was worn underneath at all times. the only exception was in very hot climate Crusaders sometimes removed the padding or wore it on the out side with many layers of clothe over to stop sun from heating mail to flesh searing point. In norther Europe it is cold so padding felt good and could have been made from hair and horse hair being extremely cut resistant and well as linen which was as well.
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
@EvilDarkJackel This is Thrand!!!
The Water Bottles represent flesh not bone but no they prove nothing other the speed of the two weapons we were comparing.The pillow? You mean Gambeson is a padded jerkin or under garment worn under chain and can stop some sword slashes by it self. yes this was almost always worn with mail and helps keep the mail from being damaged or penetrated as easily and provides blows absorption as well.
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
That's extremely impressive that you could draw a 120lb. bow, that's just a bit shy of the old english longbows. Do you have a manufacturer/model for that we could check up on? Would love to see a 150 lb draw bow and a needle bodkin tipped arrow shot against that mail, see just what the poor foot soldiers of medieval europe had to deal with from those damn english archers.
WitheringintheDark 10 months ago
@WitheringintheDark This had Nothing to do with the old welsh long bow it was about Deadliest Warrior Viking Vs. Samurai they tested the Yumi that was why we did this and to prove arrows do not go clean through with out special Bodkin shaped head and a extremely powerful bow. It was to show even if he was hit in the body it would not be an instant kill most likely. Although the shield would have worked 90% time on a charge to archer in his defense.
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
@ThegnThrand
I realize that. I was just wondering if you had the means to test that scenario as well, I thought it would be interesting to see.
WitheringintheDark 10 months ago
wow, you can cut water!
Ramyeonman 10 months ago
@Ramyeonman Actually water bottles are not as easy as you are thinking to cut it has to be done properly and is like flesh not bone mind you but this was a speed test between the katana same weight as Deadliest Warrior used against the 9th century long sword. Water provides more resistance with speed if you do not believe me take a stick or sword and swing as fast as you can hitting a pool of water it will slow it down considerably and those plastic bottles can not just be sliced.
ThegnThrand 10 months ago
Use red dye or something, and this would be beter than deaiset warrior.
AsparagusMonster 10 months ago 2
heres another interesting test Secrets of the Viking Warriors - Raiders by Design 1/2 - Part 3 a nat geo show, they dont test the maille against an arow but a spear, and its interesting how mch difference the padding makes against blows, they also test three different forms of rivted maille. the one based on actual finds which is riveted/ solid links proves strongest almost stops the spearthrust by itself. it goes in less than half the distance of other maille weaves. all using riveted maille.
elgostine 11 months ago
@elgostine Yes the Padding or Gambeson under the armor is very important you notice I use it Bow test in this 3 part series and it stops the heavy compound bow easily with a small hardened tapered arrow head( Bodkin like) the padding makes sure the mail has give to absorb the force and not get damaged meaning you don't get stuck :P
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
This is Thrand!!!!
The Pod Cast is out!!!!!!
Google Jay and kirby's Deadliest Pod Cast look for the Thrand final pod cast on top :P
ThegnThrand 11 months ago
Is he in a rain forest lol
ParadeofSkeletons 11 months ago
It was really good but one thing you should have improved was to make it look a little more professional by going to an open field, or at least cleaning your back yard of all the weeds and tall grass
Leibniz97 11 months ago
This is Eldgrimr. Thrand and I have acquired a new camera. New video series coming out soon. Thrand will be on the Deadliest Podcast with Jay and Kirby. Just google Deadliest Podcast and you'll find a link to jay and kirby productions. The message board has a thread titled Jay and Kirby are going to talk to Thrand.
LordEldgrimr 11 months ago
This is Thrand!!!!
Hey every won who ever Doubted me or likes my videos googe the Deadliest Warrior pod cast and listen to the latest Casey Hendershot Pod Cast .That is the Deadliest Warrior Pod Cast google it :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Sorry, I just have to ask. How exactly is the chainmail made ? I kinow in another clip you say silver solder. Is there any chance that you can put up a how to clip, or refer me to one? Because frankly what i saw your chainmail do is what I always suspected should be the case. After all almost any warrior culture had it for millenia. Nobody would do that if it ripped aprt so easily. So since your mail does the trick: How to make or get one ?
take care and have a nice day
silk
;-))
blacksilkblacksilk 1 year ago
@blacksilkblacksilk I will try to do this in future video I have talked about this with Eldgrimr :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
ive studied scottish warfare and do scottish reenactments...and never was a ball and chain used to break a wall...for the scots..during wallaces time at least...the scots main tactic was a schiltrom..which is basically a wall of spears...if the scots came across a shield wall they would use bows..scots had bows to they werent barbaric poor farmer people like some people like to portray them as.
mouthforwar17 1 year ago
@mouthforwar17 Well said!!!
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
29 people are stupid
mouthforwar17 1 year ago
@mouthforwar17 LMAO!!!!! good one!!! JA!!!!
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
where did u film this?
puffmasta3000 1 year ago
it does not matter which weapons r better,it only matters how the warriors fight.
zGGodRavage 1 year ago
@zGGodRavage ok so if i have m134 mini gun and you have a stick weapons and any advantages matter
crashdummy40 1 year ago
Viking > Everything :D
Seldanas 1 year ago 14
@Seldanas Honestly, I thought the matchups were totally fucked up, Viking Vs Spartan should have been one, as well as Knight vs Samurai and who can forget Pirate vs Ninja! Spartan hoplites really are shrouded mostly in myth, and have been popularized so much, I wouldn't consider them "unbeatable", in fact I was supprised the Samurai didn't get the edge in that match-up
MrDiem2 1 year ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
u r a fucking retard. all u want to do is be on deadlist warrior thats y ur fucking bitching about it!!!
TheSpurtus 1 year ago
@TheSpurtus No I want Deadliest Warrior to actually do what they say they are and use Historical research and real experts and represent the Warriors and time periods properly. If not they need to State its just an entertainment program scripted and based on Fantasy not History and Science Because saying its Historical and scientific Dishonors every ones ancestors and contributes to the ignorance of future society of the world.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago 2
@ThegnThrand I agree! because I see things on that show that are inaccurate and dishonorable.
cuongnhu246 11 months ago 2
@TheSpurtus lol retard
liamdudeeee 1 year ago
I like deadliest warrior but the choice of host is terrible, they have a computer nerd, a docter who treats wounds from car crashes and construction accidents, and a guy who, besides being a black belt, knows nothing about the warriors matching up and rarely (if ever) makes an intelligent comment.
godzillaskywalker456 1 year ago 19
@godzillaskywalker456 The guy who is the black belt is also is the Canadian special forces.
Subderhenge 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Subderhenge
"is also is the Canadian special forces. "
That speaks Volumes on how unqualified he is to comment on Anything fighting related. 'Special' forces indeed.
J.k.!! Canadians are awesome <3
WitheringintheDark 9 months ago
As Bruce Lee would say "Milk jugs don't hit back" ;)
Now how adept would the Vikings be at hardening and sharpening their steel to what you have access to?
lordbeaker 1 year ago
@lordbeaker Vikings started by using Frankish Swords which were pattern welded from different Steel pieces of different carbon content welded together to form excellent blades ,before Viking smiths became proficient with these techniques them selves. So the swords were extremely durable and had razor sharp edges.The technique was akin to Damascus steel but not quite the same. Accounts of razor edges like a sword that cut a hair floating on top of water.Like The sword described in Beowulf.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@lordbeaker To answer your questions the Swords we are testing would be of equal sharpness to my studies but would be produced differently and about same weights. The historical counterparts would retain edges better and could even be more durable but a razor sharp blade is still razor sharp. A lot of whats important is durability and and edge retention. Light sabers did not exist even though every one seems to believe so. Almost any armor even clothe possibly can stop an edge.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
lol thats 15 pound more than a long bow XD
TheFaRrElL494HD 1 year ago
@TheFaRrElL494HD What are you talking about? What is heavier than a long bow?
EhSteve8690 1 year ago
@EhSteve8690 the bow he used in this??? a longbow had a 105 pound draw wereas this has a 120 pound draw (for some reason this has transfered form one of his other vids were he tests chainmail against a bow XD)
TheFaRrElL494HD 1 year ago
@TheFaRrElL494HD It might be that the clips aren't in the right order. It happened in "Aftermath 2 of 3" with the axe; just an editing error. At the end of the arrow test, I think he said, "I do not think they made a Yumi over 90 pounds." Now I know what you were talking about.
EhSteve8690 1 year ago
@EhSteve8690 haha sorry for the confusion :)
TheFaRrElL494HD 1 year ago
@EhSteve8690 The modern compund bows can bring alot of force to the game mate.
Grottman96 1 year ago
DEADLIEST WARRIOR NINJA VS SPARTAN DISCUSSION PART 1 (on youtube)
Please check this video out about the Ninja he is correct and I back up completely :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago 4
ok I'm a fan now. You should do a video on the aztec jaguar vs zande warrior fight. That episode was filled with inaccuracies. and also the gladiator vs apache.
artislife271 1 year ago
@artislife271 will do them as I can. I am working on a new video ATM :P Thanks for your comment !!!
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
One more point all historical Documents state the the art of the ninja was stealth,espionage,Spying,tools for it and psychology that it entails. They do not mention that they had their own martial art for killing and fighting during the waring era. It was common to train with different schools and was not illegal to do so at that period nor carry swords/weapons and wear armor .From what we can tell the ninja would have had the same training as the Samurai such as kenjutsu, ,kumi-uchi ect.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
ttp://asianhistory.about.com/od/warsinasia/p/NinjaProfile.htm
go here
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla So if you looked that up, You would not be making a fool of you self. The history of the ninja goes back further than Okinawan weapons and the martial study of them.you your self said these were modified tools used by peasants that is true. They came from Okinawa no they are not the true implements but came about in the non waring era around 1600 when weapons and martial training to peasants was banned. We have two factors then from one area from too late a period.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand Most sources indicate that the skills that became ninjutsu, the ninja's art of stealth, began to develop between 600-900 A.D. Prince Shotoku, (574-622), is said to have employed Otomono Sahito as a shinobi spy.
Compared too
Okinawa
1477, he banned the practice of martial arts. Tō-te and kobudō continued to be taught in secret. The ban was continued in 1609 after Okinawa was invaded by the Satsuma Domain of Japan. The bans contributed to the development of kobudō, Sai and Nunchaku
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand I might add Okinawa is not part of the Japanese main land and at the time you speak of was not part of Japan even. Meaning the Ninja would not have had contact with the people who created the Sai and Nunchaku if they had existed in the time time of the ninja/shinobi. Also the Jutte would not be used till after 1600 either.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand Knight you do know that some Samurai used bo shuriken and Kusarigama ?
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla In 1429, the three kingdoms on Okinawa unified to form the Kingdom of Ryūkyū. When King Shō Shin came into power in 1477, he banned the practice of martial arts. Tō-te and kobudō continued to be taught in secret. The ban was continued in 1609 after Okinawa was invaded by the Satsuma Domain of Japan. The bans contributed to the development of kobudō, which uses common household and farming implements as weaponry.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla yes I banned you before ,you are not banned now manperson on that account either. The higher ups or true Ninja were of the Samurai class originally being Ronin .The Sai and Nunchaku are both specifically Okinawan and from that province meaning there are no historical accounts of the ninja being or coming from there at all ever historically. The Sai and Nunchaku was not used during the waring era pre 1600 that I know of weapons were not illegal then nor practicing martial arts.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
How many times must I say this before it gets through to you:
I
am
not
that
guy
On another note, why are you so obsessed with the warring era pre 1600? Is there some reason you're ignoring everything after that?
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla yes and Deadliest Warrior should have as well. Remember the Shinobi/Ninja was a Warrior like commando as well as a spy in the Heyday prior to that era. They even fought in open field Battles most high ranks were Ronin and Bushi.
The Edo Period (1603-1868) brought stability and peace to Japan, bringing the ninja story to a close.They may have still been around. Ninja skills and legends survived, though, and were embellished to enliven the movies, games and comic books of today.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
asianhistory.about.com/od/warsinasia/p/NinjaProfile.htm
this very close to actual history read it .
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
Here is you ninja expert off DW look up on youtube /watch?v=7IWpCI9ahO8
LOU KLEIN ACTOR DEMO REEL on youtube
Note what the title is noobKnight enjoy:P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
I repeat what I have said before: so?
What EXACTLY means that someone with a job cannot properly represent a specific warrior? Hnmh? You have a job, do you not? You claim to speak for the Viking, and you have a job. He has a job, and claims to speak for the Ninja. What exactly is the difference between you two?
I seem to think you are mistaking "Scripted" for "Fake." Did you have an idea what you were going to say to the camera before you turned it on? If you did, you had a mental script.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
@KnightValhalla I used no script and showed test as they were done. As for Deadliest Warrior why are all the experts actors,stuntmen, Fight choreographers and comedians. Very few have ever been unknowns are history buffs actually only two I can count history and an unknown.
I urge any one to start googling the experts and see how many have resume , sites and reels to apply for acting jobs and say nothing about ever studying or having any experience about any thing they portrayed on DW.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
I said there is documented successful assassination in Japanese history. If going to quote me do it right.
The Ninja or the Samurai would have beaten the Spartan more often due to him being set up as a formation fighter and his gear was ancient and inferior to the Japanese.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
How am I supposed to quote you correctly when you can't even speak correctly?
"There is documented successful assassination in Japanese History" you say. Does this mean that you are taking back your previous statement that Ninja were never hired as Assassins? Or are you, once again, typing poorly?
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
I would say the show is just about cutting pig carcasses . Any sword used historically always cuts to or though the bone with out armor they all kill if hit what they are aiming at flesh does not ever put up resistance at all so what good is this.Max says he has to put in special programming for these extreme wounds. You mean to tell me the computer program took 7 years to write (Max being 21 and alters it at whim?)and it dose not already have an instant death parameter sounds like D&D to me.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
"It dose not already have an instant death parameter sounds like D&D to me."
First of all: Nearly every single episode they talk about instant kills. What was mentioned in the Wallace episode was things like dismemberment, which is incredibly hard to do.
Secondly: Max didn't write the entire program from scratch, why do you think there's such a big hooplah about that Slytherin place?
Thirdly: Programmers can alter programs. Holy crap what a surprise.
Lastly: Learn to spell. Does =/= dose.
KnightValhalla 1 year ago
So what we need to do is ask our selves if they made these Warriors up over hundreds of years mix matching weapons and even adding stuff like Wallace's ball and chain the Scottish never used to break shield walls or a weapon for throwing at all. They also said he wore Chain armor not riveted , never used historically. Then what are these guys doing? They do not follow proper scientific comparison of arms and armor either nor take into account actual fighting style or the era.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
This ignorance to picking a time and social class and making up a combination spanning hundreds of years brings up all kinds of inaccurate comparisons allowing them to say any one that want will win and misrepresenting all this warriors from history. Look at the Ninja he could have used fire skills, explosives and fire arms. The Samurai with armor they said he had should have a had fire arm as well and the Knight could have had a hand cannon easily or heavy lance and cross bow.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
A major problem with Deadliest Warrior they pick a warrior and use stereotype based on what every one expects not the actual historical counterpart. If the pick the Viking which could span many social classes regions and time periods they do not specify which century nor do they specify rank and social class. Instead they make up a generic warrior that has nothing to do with history spanning several hundred years. The ninja lets say could come from many different times over 800 years.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
What they should do on Deadliest Warrior, is pick 2 of the experts, give them their warriors weapons (training ones so they don't get sued) and have them go at it. Like give the guy representing the Romans the Gladius and scutum and the samurai his katana and let them have at each other and see who gets the most kills.
demomanchaos 1 year ago
Get A life nobody needs to hear a bunch of Hippies trying to Act Smart.
CuteKittyBiggles 1 year ago
@CuteKittyBiggles By this reply we can tell that you are of genius intelligence level your I.Q is much higher than any one on Deadliest Warrior and we will not reply as to try to keep from embarrassing you more than it all ready seems you have done.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
"four targets ,,like in like less than a second"..use a stopwatch!!
tyger0603 1 year ago
@tyger0603 It was to prove you can't hit one target four times in the same amount of time as four targets in one swing. DW always forgets that you still have to recover your weapon to follow up an attack.
EhSteve8690 1 year ago
@EhSteve8690 dude im commenting on the fact that you didnt use a stopwatch,not the aspect of fighting.DW is a fake series..not because they dont use cultural backgrounds or what not.because of all the methods that they use in order to gauge the skill of the warrior and the effect of teh weapon.just stabbing at random stuff aint enough and in order to start and experiment.all the factors should be similar (almost 100%)to each other.its simple science.in DW its not.thus its not a scientific!
tyger0603 1 year ago
As a practitioner of kenjutsu for four years I agree that the sword technique is wrong, and that a katana is much more effective in the hands of a capable user. The sword should be raised over the head for maximum cutting power. However, I disagree on the inherent superiority of asian martial arts. Fact is, European martial arts, while equally complex, were abandoned with the introduction of gunpowder. The Japanese kept their traditions in a purer form, but this does not mean they were superior.
JHanson712 1 year ago
I looked up the episode not someones views on it...
DoctorSargeMD 1 year ago
@DoctorSargeMD Viacom (owners of Spike TV) removed the episodes. All you can find now are response videos, final battle videos (some were removed by Viacom), and parodies.
EhSteve8690 1 year ago
THIS IS SO STUPID they compare wrong wepons togheter and katana single handedly can cutt through all the wooden wepons of hte viking..
samurai was much quicker and had a more advaned armor..
katana could cutt down the spearks.. their exposed necks . they could shoot down the viking if htey had 4 archmen on the back road of the attack..
i thought it was plain and simple dumbed down to make entertainment.. the katana could cutt down axe handle. arm. the speers.. and in sword fight who would win?
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk the cuts with the boradsword i see in your video require agression and streangth while the katana was designed to be possible to cutt for most people using tehcnique and not so much streangth that is A BIG pluss. .also the katana would be very light
i would definetly say that a samurai warrior should have had also a higher degree of fitness to be able to execute nearly aerodynamic movements.. i know cause i do aikido and the way we have to move is incredibly hard
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk LOL THIS IS RUBISH you used more force when you used the broad sword common! haha
you can say all you want.. but samurai was a much more complex warrior and would win hands down.. and besides without armor and weapons samuri would still win
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago 2
@TheRogueMonk The Long sword of the 9th century does put out more force than the katana due to simple physics. Skill will not make up for the weapon style used. Even with out armor on either opponent the Viking would win more fights out of 1000 than the Samurai if the Viking was using Sword and Shield against any weapon depicted the Samurai used on Deadliest Warrior.
The Samurai was not more complex that a Viking Jarl or Hersir . All warriors since the beginning of time were very complex :P
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand but the katana in my belief is not even a sword its a stick with an edge and is used to slice and not truly cut ... i cant dispute the fact that chianmail and leather is too though for it but i would say katana is superior because it can be used by many people unlike most other swords who require a good swinging arm and a strong arm.. this might sound like a bad argument but its relative..
also in minimal armor situations katana would be best.. but its all cultural to their time
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand i think that wepons seem to change according to the peoples bodybuild and culture.. if you notice they are all weak compared to each other because they are dictated by their current cultures and situations only..
eventhough i say that the samurai was highly omre advanced but it is only according to their time ..vikings must have been the most advanced at their time .. i see very clear paralells viking = samurai is more true alike then dislike.. they were bred propaganda of war
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand think about it . the samurai is a modern version of the viking.. they were told almost the same things.. while somethings changed due to advancements of general public so they had to change some details.. who knows if the samurai before them they had vikings of their own that belived in vaallhalla and hel..
i think its basic military propeganda mixed with religion that exist in any militia since dawn of time.. die go to heaven for your country.. war IS life and LIFE is WAR .
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk the only problem the Samurai did not use shields in single combat due to honor which would make him more modern but at a major disadvantage . This is all I have been saying European battle field was tested against all nations and styles of combat sword and shield reined supreme. The Japanese on the other only fought and won wars against them selves. Meaning they could fight any way they wanted due to honor with out major consequences but against a European army they would fall.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand that is not true.. samurais could take over hte whole asia but htey did not.. much like mongolians.. samurai WAS the viking of their century..
also the samurai DID HAVE SHIELD they had wrist padding and glowes which was sort of a shield.. its not true that they did not have protection.. they did .. their protection prob was much more coverage then vikings had. I just dont know how effective their armor would be to european weapons. .
they were the advanced viking how can they loose
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand keep on dreaming.. you cant compare the vikings to the modern version of vikings that were actually the samurai.. its like comparing old ford to new ford...
if the vikings had lived as long as to the day of samurais and well over then you could prob see that i am telling the truth cause people evolve so does fighting skills .. its not like time stood still since viking time..
if i tmakes you feel better keep believing that no prob but htis is simple logic not my biased opinion
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand pluss you seem to have this incredibly scewed idea that japanese warriors were weak .. FAR FROM TEH TRUTH both ninja warriors and samurai warriors underwent a much harder body conditioning .. we all know how bruce lee was well that was because he tried to live up to his art potencial.. the samurai were both mentally and physically prepared unlike todays modern budo.. i am very confident that 1 samurai was much more strong and endurant then 5 or 10 warrios or viking era ...EVOLVE
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk The ninja would have beat the spartan I plan on doing a video on this but have not had much time .I have practiced with and do with the Bujinkan and this is were I am basing my opinions on both sides. I also have fought in several medieval society's the main being the SCA. Masaaki Hatsumi is one of the greatest teachers and historians of Japanese combat arts. The Japanese were not weak of poor warriors and far from it.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk The sword and shield would give the Viking the win though out of a Thousand battles against the weapons depicted on the Program Deadliest Warrior. The Samurai was not depicted accurately at all nor was the Viking. Like I said I have knowledge of both sides. So in my opinion and many who have fought cross styles the Sword and shield would have came out on top in that situation more often that is why I made this video and to stand up for the Samurai and the Viking against DW.
ThegnThrand 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand i dot understand that you dont realize that the armor of the samurai was his shield..
just caus someone holds a shield does not make hima good warrior.. it all depends on who is using the wepons.. unless you have them fight today its all speculation.
i am very ocnfident that samurai was much modern and much more evolved combatant also had much more martial arts expertize .. based on everything .. samurai was the modern viking .. there is no way the best viking could win over
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@ThegnThrand you have your opinion i have mine. I dont think you can ever convince me that the viking would win over the samurai.. you cant base it on simple things like a shield .. there is much more to real war then playing with weapons and basing it on that
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk Although separated by time and land, vikings and samurai had alot in common and used alot of the same weaponry. I guess if you go at it for long enough you'll find the best way to kill your enemy.
But the thing that did separate them alot was the shield and believe me, it gives a huge advantage in single combat.
Can you agree with me that a viking hersir or Jarl (warrior and noble) had the same level of stamina strength and speed as a samurai warrior. Not counting the equipment.
Grottman96 1 year ago
@Grottman96 no i cannot agree with you... the samurai had better diet cause they lived in better times.. they had more constant training cause they were local and had more time..
if the samurai and viking were living in viking time then viking would win.. its obvious that the viking were good cause they had control over their times problems .. but samurai had the advantage in their time..
i dont like to compare these two because as you also said they are the same but from different times
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago
@TheRogueMonk According to what I've read vikings had the better diet. More meat and milk products. According to sources viking hersir and Jarls also trained constantly from the time they were twelve.
It is my belief that a scandinavian has the same potential to build muscle just as a japanese can.
Therefore I conqur with thrand that we should lay more weight on fighting styles and equipment more than on whose the strongest/fastest etc.
Grottman96 1 year ago
@Grottman96 they are like two causins and that is it..
i mean you have to consider that the time, the consistancy .. whealth.. and all that was much more in the future time of the new viking that was samurai.. and it is a huge advantage..
technology does affect IMMENSELY .. had the viking been in the future and had the same convinience they would prob take over the world.. teh japanese refused to expand japan.. but the viking would love to take over the world. The viking were deff though
TheRogueMonk 1 year ago