AIG website is racist! They posed an entire segment to there OWN OPINION regarding the theory of evolution claiming it was racist not on the peer reviewd facts but on the web sites OWN OPINION. That is right AIG web site is racist!
Is it dogmatic to say the earth is round, not flat? Faith is unnecessary when empirical evidence matches scientific theory. The real is not imaginary, and the imaginary is not real unless backed up by theory that has been tested and proven correct with empirical evidence. This is what modern science is based upon. Not knowing the true nature of reality is the very definition of insanity.
Instead of dogmatically declaring that "God is imaginary" why don't you do a little research either by reading a few articles on the web-site or getting the book "The Ultimate Proof of Creation" by Dr. Jason Lisle? No one can defeat the argument that if Biblical Creation is not true then it would not be possible to truly know anything. I dare you to try. And, "a completely insane mentality" is not only to believe the imaginary is real, but also believing that the real is imaginary
The proof that the God of the Bible exists is that He must exist in order for us to exist & know anything. God must exist because the contrary is impossible. The only possible basis for the absolute reliability of the rules of logic is that they reflect the way God thinks, which we are also able to do in a limited way. Any other approach renders these rules arbitrary or changeable, which would make all knowledge impossible. Besides, everyone already knows God is real, but resists the Truth.
@cda76er You can't think of a way for us to exist so you insert god as the explanation. This is called the god of the gaps argument. It is an argument from ignorance. I don't know how Y happened so it must be idea X. This is bad logic.
You say everyone already knows god exist, that is wrong. I do not know that a god exist.
The argument from the impossibility of the contrary is not the same as "the God of the gaps" argument, nor is it an argument from ignorance. But, OK. Then let's focus on your own existence. Just how can you account for this? I am going to assume that you will claim that you are real. So, the burden of proof is on you. Go for it!
@cda76er Okay, I believe it is most probable (unlike religions world views that believe for certain) that I (and all earth life today) am the result of 3.8 billion years of biological evolution. I think it's likely that life first started as basic simple cells from a process called abiogenesis, however it is possible some other means is responsible. I hold these views because there is converging scientific evidence to support them.
I appreciate that you're not as "dogmatic" as many Evolutionists. I'd hope that you'd be willing to read some of the articles on the Answers in Genesis website with an open mind. Both the Evolution worldview & that of ID present evidences & make arguments & if you're willing to truly consider which explanation is better able to account for all existence & knowledge you'd be convinced it is our worldview. For now, I would ask you: How would u explain the origin of human consciousness?
@cda76er Well either world view, yours or mine can be a lot to grasp. Advanced self aware lifeforms mutating and evolving into existence from mere chemicals or a ever existing all powerful being that creates worlds and lifeforms for reasons apparently beyond my comprehension, I would never create a world like ours.
Consciousness came the same way any feature of ours came to be, it was useful so it developed little by little over a very long time. Natural selection favored it for us.
@cda76er Brain chemistry and neural impulses are as much consciousness as random 1's and 0's are a computer program. The self aware mind we call consciousness is a process. The chemicals even the method of how neurons function could be completely replaced (if the technology existed) and the consciousness could remain. This process is not something you can hold in your hand, it is an event. Man has never needed to understand the mind to survive, so we don't and it seems magical to us.
This is a pretty basic concept of understanding that as humans we are all peers to each other meaning no one is greater or really has more authority than any other, because we all bleed and we all die. If the kid in this video were to shoot you and kill you then based on the belief that there is no belief, you cannot hold that kid accountable to a standard principle because you are human and therefore a peer with no ruling power over him regardless of paper documents and the such.
@jesusnoland , Wrong. Try again. Tit-for-tat (i.e. the Golden Rule and the related Silver Rule) is a standard principle that many species have worked out for themselves, including humans, without any need for gods to tell them.
But a religion that tells you that a person you shoot in the face is (if they die) simply going to go to heaven and live forever, makes it much more likely you'll do it.
@rg0057 the "Golden Rule" comes from the Bible, Matthew 7:12. I don't know which religion you are speaking of but the Bible does not say that anyone who is shot in the face goes to heaven Ecclesiastes 9:5.
@jesusnoland Verbal diarrhoea. Its the usual threat of eternal nothingness or pain repackaged. Interesting that "christians" would come up with a gun stuck in your face. Secular society would hold the kid accountable, not religion. When religion last had the sway of the courts we ended up with the inquisition and old single women being burnt at the stake. People are still whipped put to death and have limbs cruelly amputated in countries where religion has courts barbaric really.
@yournotright101 Please do not mistake religion such as Catholicism, Quakers, Islam, and/or any other with the Bible. Religion is not the harbor of good morals, God is. Now as far as "secular" society (which is a poor term to use but for the sake of replying) is concerned you must remember to point both ways, i.e. the Manhattan Project. Good morals in this instance only go as far as nationality. Once recognized as apart from the nationality, that decency may not be given.
Look at a detail, the word God is written in uppercase, which makes it clear that reference is made to the god of Christianity. Is this an attack directed exclusively against atheists, or is directed against those who do not accept the Christian god? We're talking about Christian fundamentalists...
Atheists (code word for communists) are cringing sissies when it comes to gun ownership, cause their totalitarian mind and their eschatological marxism cannot tolerate freedom.
@TakisAthensGr ROTFLMAO! Christians are so cute. Sort of like watching a baby snake hatch from an egg. One can almost hear it hiss "kill a commie for christ!" - but that would be just too much to hope for! :-)
@dan91709 Some thousands of commies have killed over 100.000.000 people as soon as they governed. Billions of Christians not a signle man for centuries. You just can't face the truth.
@TakisAthensGr The single greatest cause of such slaughter is the notion that someone that doesn't believe what you do, or is different from you, is something less than worthy of compassion and grace. (sigh) My poor dear deluded young man, it's not what you believe, its how you treat others different from yourself that reveals what you really are.
Muslim - Christian - Communist - Capitalist.
Spreading hate is merely a symptom of the disease. It's your fear that kills.
@TakisAthensGr One more word of advice, though I'm sure you never asked: Before you say again that no Christians kill, take a few moments to think about Bosnia, or Uganda, or other places where christian organizations have murdered children in the name of Jesus. Hatred is alive and well and living in the hearts of Christians everywhere. In all gentleness, when you say otherwise, it's only because you refuse to look at what is obvious to anyone whose eyes are opened.
@dan91709 Comparing Christianity and Capitalism with every other religion or ideology lacks any measure of proportionality. If you want to talk about Bosnia or Uganda (?) you have to compare it with something, with the hellish arab world regimes, with Stalin and then you can say whether atheists or theists kill more. Saying that one group has hatred in their hearts is not an argument. How do you measure hatred? The Bible teaches love not hatred. Islam teaches holy war, that's hatred.
@TakisAthensGr I didn't compare Christianity with Capitalism, or Islam for that matter. I noted a disease that causes people to demonize people they've never met.
Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood of a human sacrifice that they worship. A god that impregnated it's mother so that it could be horribly tortured and killed for YOUR crimes such as wearing blended fabrics and eating bacon. All this so that it could forgive you only if you believe such nonsense without evidence. That's love?
@TakisAthensGr You said "Billions of Christians not a signle man for centuries." Now, be honest. That wasn't true, was it? You now suggest that you were saying that atheists kill more people by comparing "hellish arab world regimes."
Does your god needs you to lie for it?
The story of Jesus boils down to a god that tortures and kills itself so it can conditionally forgive people - as long as they pay the clergy. An all-powerful peek-a-boo god that refuses to show itself to people it "loves."
@TakisAthensGr The disease is belief without evidence. The lie is that you must believe the absurd to be an advocate of Truth, Justice, and Compassion.
Love doesn’t arise from fear or hate, or a belief that humanity is inherently evil.
The idea that no one will ever love you if you don't believe (whatever) isn’t just sad; it’s an idea calculated to enslave and diminish you so that you may be manipulated by the worst among us.
Basically this vid, in a sensationalized manner, supports one of the many consequences of a morally nihilistic society which is the inevitable result of a Godless society that or totalitarianism.
Here's the full Moral Argument in a 4 part series and nifty outline: Enjoy
@nudaydawning Really, why don't you scroll down the page I quoted John 3:18 and with that said I wouldn't be going around calling others delusional if I were you.
@nudaydawning No doubt you'll respond with 'you took the passage out of context' or stating the passage is justified because the bible says were all born sinners because rib woman listened to a talking snake long ago, ate a fruit and got kicked out of the garden along with 'dirt man'.
@nudaydawning Oh please, I mean just ignoring for now the fact neither you nor your ilk have provided ANY evidence of existance after death, your belief in 'surpreme justice' is a farce.
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Gods one and only son."
Translation: "Without me girl, you're nothing. You're worthless. Also, here's a fucking gun in your face."
I almost want to thumb this abusive garbage up just so more people can see the absolutely disgusting nature of your mythology. But instead I'll just save this video for future use, in case you take it down out of shame.. which you should, if you've got a shred of decency.
You're basically promoting an abusive relationship with a concept that you control.
@Flyborg This is how I see the darwin idea of survival of the fittest. How extreme of an idea it is. That Is the first thought that came into my mind. So...I do believe darwin and hitler controlled this concept first.
@RadManSean What a random comment which has nothing to do with either this video or the comment you're replying too.. But despite being a red herring, it's still silly:
1) Survival of the fittest is a fact that even the most die-hard creationists accept. Not sure why you're ragging on a fact.
2) It's a description of nature, not an ideology. (just like "what goes up must come down" is not a command, but a description)
3) Hitler was a creationist who put imaginary limits on evolution.
@Daracon75 Christianity borrowing from the ancient Babalonians?
I am related to my cousin. Therefore, I am my cousin. Your logic is flawed, Herr Daracon75.
Biological evolution does not preclude free will, but that does not mean that "free will", in the strictest sense, exists. You assume too much when you read comments, reading into them what is not there.
What, precisely, is a "mutated chemical"? I know what a mutated genome is, but I think you are making a category mistake.
@rootfivehigh THAT is a fact... and your worldview is highly inconsistent with that fact - that if evolution were true, killing means nothing. I wasn't defending the claim that belief in evolution leads to homicide. You still couldn't answer my question. Nice dodge. The question was; Who determines what the criteria for justification is?
You have no objective moral standard, therefore your standard is subjective and false.
@rootfivehigh Huh? that was not my logic - My language was used in a different sense. Secondly, what I said still stands unrefuted. According to evolution, we're all related and have a common ancestor, we're worth no more than animals, and you still can't provide any justification for why it would be "wrong" for a human to kill another, considering it would essentially just be one chemical accident getting rid of another chemical accident.
Doesn't matter how hard you try, you won't be able to.
@rootfivehigh Regardless of what you say... information science disproves evolution completely. Spouting incorrect, pointless drivel such as "evolution is a fact" makes no difference.
Would you like another fact? There's no known process in which information can spontaneously generate in matter without an intelligent mind behind it. I know this is true.
I'm a software developer. The chances of biogenesis and evolution happening is the same as an application writing itself.... ZERO.
@Daracon75 You wrote: "There's no known process in which information can spontaneously generate in matter without an intelligent mind behind it."
First, you are going to have to define "information" for your claim to have any meaning. A hydrogen molecule is "information" broadly defined.
But, you probably mean DNA.
Well, I guess you better get busy showing that all gene duplication mutations that occur daily in bacteria to apes are all the actions of an intelligent mind.
@InTheImageOfDNA No, I do not mean DNA. I meant what I said... and No, a Hydrogen molecule itself is not information. Information is not matter or energy. You should know what the (scientific) definition of information is, but it's apparent that you don't. For something to constitute as information it must satisfy the following five areas... 1. Statistics, 2. Syntax, 3. Semantics, 4. Pragmatics and 5. Apobetics. If it does not satisfy these areas, it is not information.
@Daracon75 " Five areas? which you pulled out of your ass? This has been responded to under Information Theory and Creationism Werner Gitt by Rich Baldwin
By asserting that data must have an intelligent source to be considered information, and by assuming genomic sequences are information fitting that definition, Gitt defines into existence an intelligent source for the genome without going to the trouble of checking whether one was actually there. This is circular reasoning.
@InTheImageOfDNA Why should I get busy showing that all gene duplication mutations that occur daily in bacteria to apes are all the actions of an intelligent mind? To duplicate is to copy... copying existing information isn't generating new information, so why even mention it? Well I guess there's no real point now is there :)
@Daracon75 Your pathetic rebuttal relies on the fallacious conflation of code vs. information.
If you really mean what you say, you must concede that the written word contains no "new information" past the alphabet since it is simply recombinations.
@InTheImageOfDNA Your first statement is nothing but arbitrary and false. You still don't understand the definition of information. You like arbitrary assertions? Well here's one - you need some education.
It's possible that new combinations of words don't constitute information. If I strung random words together, would that constitute information? No, because it doesn't satisfy the criteria of the domain areas of information. But CAN new combinations constitute information? Yes. Why?...
@Daracon75 It's funny you define "information" as linguistic in nature and then go on to say that anything that doesn't meet that is not 'information." Beg your questions much? Ah, but logic is not the strong point of ID'ers.
@InTheImageOfDNA It's funny how you didn't refute a single thing I said; instead, resorted to ad hominem and provided no actual argument. What is your argument by the way? Do you actually have one?
"Ah, but logic is not the strong point of ID'ers." That's funny... I was just thinking the same about you.
@Daracon75 Wow, you are really a virgin in academic discussions aren't you? I should have guessed as much. "I didn't refute...?" I just attacked and killed the basic premise of your entire "argument". Please comprehend honey.
@InTheImageOfDNA "Ah, but logic is not the strong point of ID'ers." "Wow, you are really a virgin in academic discussions aren't you?" Hmm, I guess you're right... I don't know what ad hominem is. You really did refute my argument, didn't you?
But seriously, do you actually have an argument, or are you just going to waste my time with your worthless drivel?
@Daracon75 Prediction: you will say calling you a moron constitutes "ad hominem" and you will be demonstrating your ignorance of what the ad hominem argument actually is:) I will love it.
@InTheImageOfDNA New combinations of words may satisfy the all domain areas of information. Specifically in this case, they satisfy Semantics and Apobetics. They provide new meaning and purpose, whereas random mutations clearly do not. This is where you have no argument. You can be as arbitrary as you want, but it won't achieve anything.
@Daracon75 Also, thanks for introducing me to the term "apobetics." Most actual philosophers might address the subject using "teleology". But I've seen that creationists like to have their own jargon like "baraminology" (LOL). It wows the rubes in the pews so I guess you know what you are doing.
Only Listen to AiG. All other Bible scholars are wrong (probably Satanic too). <---obvious sarcasm
You can do all the Hermenutical gymastics you want to back up the position of your organization, but you're not going to convince me that the bible has anything to do with the age of our Universe. :) It simply was not written for that purpose. I don't understand why people like you desire to cause division over this non-issue.
There is nothing in the Bible that directly indicates that the earth is "young" (or old for that matter). The age of the Earth is not a question the Bible was written to answer. For questions involving science, I prefer science books.
See, AnswersInGenesis DOES have answers, you're just not asking the right questions, sit back and ask yourself " whats the biggest bullshit story ever told?" ............. Answer is in genesis
They aren't defending Christianity, they are defending their batshit cult leader Ken Ham who believes the bible says the universe is 6,000 years old, evolution is the cause of violence, and Genesis is more important than Jesus.
AiG, you make me sick. On behalf of all Christians, I demand an apology. In the name of Christ, I demand an apology.
@VforVideo You're right, it seriously hinders other factual Christians from spreading the word. It makes me sad that a Christian organization would so blatantly ignore such abundant science.
According to the bible,the people who didn't matter to God, such as every man, woman and child on the earth except for Noah and his family, then later the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, the Perizzites and the all the men women children and babies that God personally claimed to kill, or had his followers kill, - all these people's lives mattered to me, which is why I could no longer believe the christian claims about God.
@TheMortalhuman Every human matters to God... that's why he sent his Son to die for all mankind. So you think you know better than God, is that it? Do you believe that God has the right to kill someone? You fail to understand that the creator of the universe is infinitely more intelligent, powerful and righteous than any human who has ever lived. Do you think you know better than God when it comes to what is "right"?
@TheMortalhuman He is the creator... and since he created life... he has the right to take it away any time he chooses. He created morality also. His standard is the ultimate and objective standard of morality - anything less is merely relative morality in which anyone can claim what is "moral", as you have done. Unlike you, God cannot just turn a blind eye to sin without atonement. It's like a judge just "letting" a murderer go.
@TheMortalhuman If a man murdered a bunch people, was arrested for it.... and then in the courtroom, instead of jailing the man, the judge simply said "it's okay...let him go"; Wouldn't you be outraged? Of course you would... a judge who just "lets people go" would be evil. We do not have an evil God. He punishes sin, as he SHOULD. But he is also an infinitely loving God - which is why he has provided a way out... he sent his own son to die in our place so that we can have eternal life.
@Daracon75 You ask me if I know better than the god described in the bible. In fact you know better than that God. If you could swap places with your god you would not demand that all people recognise your greatness. You would not demand that all people on earth fall on their knees and worship you. You certainly would not torture and burn people incessantly because they believed in a different god, or didn't believe you existed at all. You would understand that people believe....
@TheMortalhuman Who can contend with the almighty? Compared to God, I know absolutely nothing. The true, living God, the God of the Bible is an infinitely loving, powerful and righteous God. You're projecting your own flawed human nature onto the situation... but what you don't realise is that as God is infinitely more powerful and righteous than we are, so is his standard. His standard is absolute perfection, and not a single human has EVER lived up to his standard.
@TheMortalhuman What would "I" do, you say? I'm not God... if I had infinite intelligence I would know, but I don't. You completely dodged what I said about the "murderer", because you know it's the truth. Every human has the knowledge of God in his heart... but there are those who suppress the truth through their unrighteousness. Why do they do this? Because they can't bare the thought of being accountable to their creator for their wrongdoings... they'd rather be their own God.
@Daracon75 I think that every person is certainly capable of imagining a god. Whether that god is described accurately in the bible or any other text is another matter. I know that as soon as i was mature enough I recognised that the god described in the bible was a very little, petty war god. The god I had in my heart was much bigger and above all feelings of jealousy and need for adoration. My god was truly just, never punishing people for doing what they thought he wanted them to do.
@TheMortalhuman Your argument about morality fails completely. Without an objective moral standard given by God, you have no such thing as morality. Hitler thought it was a good thing to kill 6 million Jews, and he could provide evidence as to why it was a good thing. Some people believe it's a good thing to kill Africans because of their supposed "low IQ", and that it would "benefit the world to get rid of feeders". They have evidence also, so are they moral?
@Daracon75 The evidence that hitler used to justify his treatment of the jews came from the bible. Thankfully the moral majority corrected him. I'm sure people believe many kinds of horrible things about other people. Most of the time they use scripture of one kind or another to provide evidence for their claims. I agree with you, they are not moral.
@TheMortalhuman "The evidence that hitler used to justify his treatment of the jews came from the bible." That's nothing but pure conjecture. One of the many things anti-Christian from Hitler's own mouth:
""The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity...."
Hitler was not a Christian. Nor did he do what he did because of Christianity. Period.
@Daracon75 This is a real separate argument. Doubtlessly you have read all the other quotes where he uses the bible to justify his "struggle" I do feel sorry that you have to to disown Hitler. watching christian do this is like watching someone wipe dog poo off their shoe. There's no denying it, and there no dignity in it.
@TheMortalhuman The statements by Hitler unequivocally prove that he's anti-Christian, therefore nothing that he has ever done can be attributed to or credited to Christianity. He was never a Christian and his motives were clearly not Christian. Attributing Hitler's deeds to Christianity is like attributing a Muslim's deeds to atheists. It's sheer absurdity.
@Daracon75 The god I held into for many years understood why people believed and disbelieved, because He knew people inside and out. He knew why people doubted, He knew why they would choose one religion instead of another. He would never become outraged, He would never subject anyone to torture. If you want to imagine a god who murders, tortures, burns, drowns, bullies and frightens people you are free to do so, but I could never accept such a little god.
@TheMortalhuman God cannot murder by definition. He has the right to kill... since he created life. The supposed "God" you know is not God... The "God" you know, is evil. He allows murderers to go unpunished. So by your logic, I could go around slaughtering thousands of people, and I'd be perfectly justified in doing so.
You haven't thought this through have you. You're all caught up in your own "emotions" which can be fooled very easily.
@Daracon75 You would expect a perfect god not to ever commit murder, this is why it is so obvious that the bible god is not a description of a perfect god because he is described a the perpetrator of many many premeditated slayings. A perfect god who created life would do everything to protect and nurture it, correcting it with appropriate justice, and respect, not slaughter and torture it on the slightest provocation.
@Daracon75 I suppose it is true that my empathy for other people is what made me reject the bible as a true desciption of a real God. Recently I saw footage of the massive floods in Pakistan and there was a woman stuck in a tree with her baby. She was holding it up above her head on the highest branch she could climb as the waters raged around her. I thought "this could be a scene from the flood of Noah". The woman's torment lasted hours. Thousands like her perished miserably...
@Daracon75 I wondered how this scene could in any way be a just treatment for someone who believed in the wrong god, or didn't believe in any god, or didn't worship their god in the right way. I knew that there are many people who could look at her and her child and say "good riddance", "serves you right", "you should have accepted Jesus when you had the chance" I must admit I throw up a little bit in my mouth when I meet people who think like that.
@TheMortalhuman It seems that you're unable to answer two of my simple questions after I repeatedly asked you to. You have no defense against the arguments I've put forth about morality, which is why you haven't answered, and you have no reason to believe otherwise.
The only thing stopping you from coming to the truth is your emotions. You need to get over your feelings and start using some logic.
@Daracon75 Was it the vinegar thing? Was that one of your serious questions that I didn't answer ? Something about being angry with a chemical reaction? I know you don't accept that morality can change and evolve and improve, I know you don't like the idea that morality is a human invention/evolved trait. I know you claim that there are absolute perfect moral standards that are described in the bible, somewhere among the laws for slavery and animal sacrifice. Maybe you can point them out.
@TheMortalhuman It's very simple. You've said that morality is decided upon by what everyone decides is moral. So if in one country, everyone decides that the law is to kill stupid people... is that moral? and you said NO, because it harms people. So clearly your earlier statement about "everyone" deciding what is moral is clearly wrong then... so either your statement about "everyone deciding morality" is wrong, or your statement about "harming people" is wrong. ONE of them is wrong.
@Daracon75 One country is not everyone. We have indeed had examples of nations doing things that were judged immorral by the rest of the worlds standards, and had quite horrible conflicts in order to rid the world of that immorality.
@TheMortalhuman So? Obviously not everyone is going to agree on what is right and wrong.... so it's impossible for "everyone" to decide what morality is. Secondly, what gives you the right to tell others what is right and wrong? They have opinions too... and theirs are just as valid as yours. Relative morality refutes itself by it's own standard. And you're back at square one.
You need to do some hard thinking. I'll leave you with it.
@Daracon75 I want you to understand that if the bible described a god who was actually all loving, abounding in mercy and justice, all knowing and honourable I probably would have remained a believer, at least for a longer period, but the bible god is probably the most evil and immoral character ever described, and as soon as I began reading the bible I was embarrassed and disgusted that his behaviour was held up as something to emulate.
@TheMortalhuman So God sending his only son to die in YOUR place isn't enough? Have you ever told a lie? Of course you have... what does that make you?... a liar! Have you ever stolen something?... of course you have... that makes you a thief... so far you're a liar and a thief. Have you ever thoughts about killing someone? Of course you have. God says that if you even think about killing someone, you've already committed murder in your heart. Yet despite all of this, he's offering salvation.
@Daracon75 ..different things for different reasons. Is there any way you could decide to kill everyone in the world because you felt they were living their lives without proper recognition of you? Is there any way you could watch a mother climb a tree with a baby in her arms and keep the water pouring down until both her and her infant gurgled and drowned in utter despair? Would you feel satisfaction that justice had been done? Would you make a law that demanded an animal be stoned to death?
@TheMortalhuman You see, God can't just turn a blind eye to evil, like you would like him to... he's not evil. He is righteous, and he doesn't allow evil to go unpunished. Every human in the world has sinned and is worthy of death. There is no such thing as a "good" person either. Every single human has an inherently sinful nature. Myself included.
There must be atonement for sin. God provided a way out for everything through his own Son's sacrifice in our place. It's truly amazing.
@Daracon75 Would you demand that your followers kill people? Would you kill them if they showed mercy? Would you put a man through the anguish of having to kill his son in order to prove his loyalty to you? Would you let a man's family be killed as a test to see if he would turn away from you? Would you kill a man if he tried to protect one of your holy relics from falling off a cart?
I am hoping that you have answered an emphatic no to all these questions.
@TheMortalhuman Well if I was God, I'd be responsible for the death of every human in existence now, wouldn't I... why? Because ALL humans die. Whether young, or in their old age... all humans die. Why don't you take that up with God - ask him "Why didn't you make us immortal, God?"
Let me ask you a question - do you believe that you're a "good" person?
@Daracon75 Allowing people to live their natural lifespan and die unmolested would be the moral thing to do if you were a moral God. Perhaps then to look after all people in peace would also be moral.The god described in the bible does not do this. He personally intervenes to brutally cut short the lives of many men, women, children and babies. Not content with that he then subjects them to unending torture. This is evil.
@TheMortalhuman Oh you're a "good" person are you? By who's standard? Yours? Well unfortunately your standard is not God's standard. He is a perfect, holy being, and his standard is perfection. Sad to say, but you clearly don't measure up. According to God - you are not a good person. You're a liar, a thief, and a murderer and an adulterer to name a few...
Your "Good works" are but filthy rags to him... as are mine. Do you really think any "good" thing you've ever done compared to God?
@Daracon75 I'm sorry to have stuffed up your routine. If you are also a liar, like me, why indeed should I listen to anything you have to say about what you think god is like?
@TheMortalhuman Sensitive and humane by who's standard? You're not sensitive and humane or caring compared to what God considers sensitive, humane and caring. It's like comparing your power to Gods. You might say "I'm stronger than that little kid over there... look how strong I am!"... How strong are you compared to God? The strongest man in the world is infinitely weaker than God.
God is infinitely more righteous than anyone in the world - and his standard is pure perfection... and you failed
@Daracon75 perhaps I'm not a thief or a liar by God's standard also. Either way the Ray Comfort routine gets put on the shelf next to the banana routine.
A real's god's standard may indeed be higher than anyone in the world, but the bible certainly does not describe that god accurately.
@TheMortalhuman Don't dodge my question about evolution. Would you get angry at vinegar for reacting with bi-carb soda?
You don't have to believe me. I encourage you to do some research for yourself, pray to God for guidance. Use some of that logic that God has given you.
@Daracon75 vinegar always reacts with bi carb soda, it is a chemical certainty, but people do not have to choose to support immoral teachings, and promote them. This is something you have a choice about and you have chosen differently to me.
What would you have me research? the Bible? I've read it complete twice and some parts many more times. Did God guide your argument? Did you pray before answering me?
@TheMortalhuman ..."but people do not have to choose to support immoral teachings." If people are merely evolved pondscum, like you believe, then they don't have a choice... because chemicals don't have a choice. So either we're evolved pondscum that doesn't have a choice, or we were created by God and do have a choice.
And you still haven't answered about going back on yourself. You can't keep dodging much longer....
@Daracon75 Being evolved from humble beginnings does not preclude us from having choice. Our highly evolved brains enable us to make very complex choices, based on many different pieces of information which we can process. It is a a false dichotomy that you present and an argument that represents none of my claims.
@TheMortalhuman If we're just evolved pondscum then we do not have a choice... because choices are merely chemical and electrical impulses in our brains. So people doing "bad things" is just the way the chemicals in their brain have reacted. If you think otherwise, then you can't believe in evolution. You have to make a decision.
@Daracon75 Why would you come to that conclusion? Can you explain why you believe a lifeform with a highly complex evolved mind could not behave in a variety of ways? You are making a statement about the nature of living beings that I don't claim . Should I try to justify a claim that I don't make? This is a silly straw man argument. If you claim that because we evolved from humble beginnings we cannot make choices you are not representing anything I support
@TheMortalhuman No, what I'm saying is if you believe that we evolved from sludge from non-living matter, then all we are is chemicals... and that is a fact. Chemicals do not have a choice. Bi-card can't "choose" not to react with vinegar. If we simply evolved in a naturalistic fashion, then someone killing someone else is meaningless... it's just one chemical accident getting rid of another. So why would you be angry at that? You shouldn't be, but you are. Why are you? I'll tell you why...
@TheMortalhuman You get angry at people murdering others because in your heart you know the Biblical God. He's written his laws on your heart. That is where the huge inconsistency is... and you will never ever be able to explain it rationally. Ever. Words will come out of your mouth, but they won't make any sort of sense. Humans do have a choice, because we're more than just chemicals. We're created in the image of God, and our lives are sustained by God.
@TheMortalhuman If you believe that we have a choice, then you can NOT believe in evolution. If you believe in evolution, then you shouldn't be angry at death. One chemical removing another is not "wrong". Would you get angry at a lion killing and eating a zebra? Of course not. Only I can explain your inconsistency. You know the truth, yet you actively suppress it. You have no logical defense to it either.
@Daracon75 You have some strange ideas about the nature of life there. I don't share them.
If you wish to settle for the biblical description of a god that is your choice of course. I am sad for you that you think everyone who believes differently will suffer forever. It is probably a good thing that you consider everyone evil and that you extinguish all empathy for other people so that you can cope with that horrible thought.
@Daracon75 "then you cannot believe in evolution" does not logically follow from a belief in free will, unless you are assuming that biological evolution precludes 'free will', which it does not. This sort of freedom was not available to animals until we evolved the ability to think about ourselves thinking. Second, we do not get mad about a lion killing and eating a zebra because a)"they" are not "us", and b)we do get mad when members of our species kill each other for unjustified reasons,
@rootfivehigh which makes sense because the willy-nilly killing of our own does not promote our specie's survival. Besides all that, we do not get our "ought" from what "is". Just because something "is" in nature, does not mean that we think it "ought" to be that way. Why else would we change our environments so drastically?
@rootfivehigh Who or what said that promoting the survival of our species is desired? Some people just want themselves to survive and no one else. You can't explain the word "ought" and "should", because they relate to morality.... and in an evolutionary worldview, you can only have relative morality - and relative morality refutes itself. You really did fail pretty badly at trying to make a rational defense against your position. Once again, you were unable to rationally explain anything.
@Daracon75 I do not, and did not, promote moral relativity. Also, it seems as though you are too dense to see the point of my post. Typical creationist. Evolution is not a position, it is a fact. Morality is useful in that it helps the propagation of an intelligent species such as ourselves. Also, I should note that it is not my responsibility to explain anything to you. You are defending the claim that "belief in evolution leads to homicide", and you have failed miserably.
@rootfivehigh It doesn't matter if you promoted relative morality or not because you have no other option. You do not have an objective moral standard, therefore you can ONLY believe in relative morality. I saw your point... and it was worthless. Does saying "evolution is a fact" make you feel any better? Your idea of evolution is utter garbage. Abiogenesis is a total joke to say the least and is a complete impossibility.
@rootfivehigh You don't have to explain anything? Then WHY did you bother responding to my comment? Yeah, I thought so. The fact is, that if evolution were true, then relative morality exists, and no one can determine what is actually moral. Some people can decide that killing idiots is wrong, and no one or nothing has the right to tell them otherwise. Why is this? Because according to evolution, we're just chemicals... and one human killing another is just one chemical accident removing another
@rootfivehigh Evolution doesn't allow for free will.. because according to evolution, we're just mutated chemicals, and chemicals don't have free will.
Borrowing from Christianity again, are we? It's not surprising. The Bible clearly makes a distinction between humans and animals - but evolution says that we all came from the same place, and we're all related. So actually, we ARE them. Secondly, who can determine what the criteria for "justification" is? You? The guy down the street?
What's the matter, creatards? Afraid of going to a better place? LOL!
RomansPwnedJesus 1 week ago
AIG website is racist
TheMrgoku1985 2 weeks ago
So, is the kid an atheist going on a killing rampage or is this a christian child killing a random atheist? Looks like the latter to me.
ShippoIsCute18 2 weeks ago
wtf... someone call a shrink we got a case here.
linkuei83 3 weeks ago
AIG website is racist! They posed an entire segment to there OWN OPINION regarding the theory of evolution claiming it was racist not on the peer reviewd facts but on the web sites OWN OPINION. That is right AIG web site is racist!
TheMrgoku1985 4 weeks ago
''If you don't matter to god, you don't matter to anyone''.
That is the most sickening and offensive thing I ever heard, and a bare faced fat lie.
OptimalElement 1 month ago
Is it dogmatic to say the earth is round, not flat? Faith is unnecessary when empirical evidence matches scientific theory. The real is not imaginary, and the imaginary is not real unless backed up by theory that has been tested and proven correct with empirical evidence. This is what modern science is based upon. Not knowing the true nature of reality is the very definition of insanity.
anim8er2 1 month ago
Your friends and relatives are real. You matter to them. God is imaginary. This video shows a completely insane mentality.
anim8er2 1 month ago
@anim8er2
Instead of dogmatically declaring that "God is imaginary" why don't you do a little research either by reading a few articles on the web-site or getting the book "The Ultimate Proof of Creation" by Dr. Jason Lisle? No one can defeat the argument that if Biblical Creation is not true then it would not be possible to truly know anything. I dare you to try. And, "a completely insane mentality" is not only to believe the imaginary is real, but also believing that the real is imaginary
cda76er 1 month ago
@cda76er "dogmatically declaring that "God is imaginary""
Burden of proof is on the one claiming X is real (positive claim).
Khyrid 2 weeks ago
The proof that the God of the Bible exists is that He must exist in order for us to exist & know anything. God must exist because the contrary is impossible. The only possible basis for the absolute reliability of the rules of logic is that they reflect the way God thinks, which we are also able to do in a limited way. Any other approach renders these rules arbitrary or changeable, which would make all knowledge impossible. Besides, everyone already knows God is real, but resists the Truth.
cda76er 2 weeks ago
@cda76er You can't think of a way for us to exist so you insert god as the explanation. This is called the god of the gaps argument. It is an argument from ignorance. I don't know how Y happened so it must be idea X. This is bad logic.
You say everyone already knows god exist, that is wrong. I do not know that a god exist.
Khyrid 2 weeks ago
@Khyrid
The argument from the impossibility of the contrary is not the same as "the God of the gaps" argument, nor is it an argument from ignorance. But, OK. Then let's focus on your own existence. Just how can you account for this? I am going to assume that you will claim that you are real. So, the burden of proof is on you. Go for it!
cda76er 2 weeks ago
@cda76er Okay, I believe it is most probable (unlike religions world views that believe for certain) that I (and all earth life today) am the result of 3.8 billion years of biological evolution. I think it's likely that life first started as basic simple cells from a process called abiogenesis, however it is possible some other means is responsible. I hold these views because there is converging scientific evidence to support them.
Khyrid 2 weeks ago
@Khyrid
I appreciate that you're not as "dogmatic" as many Evolutionists. I'd hope that you'd be willing to read some of the articles on the Answers in Genesis website with an open mind. Both the Evolution worldview & that of ID present evidences & make arguments & if you're willing to truly consider which explanation is better able to account for all existence & knowledge you'd be convinced it is our worldview. For now, I would ask you: How would u explain the origin of human consciousness?
cda76er 2 weeks ago
@cda76er Well either world view, yours or mine can be a lot to grasp. Advanced self aware lifeforms mutating and evolving into existence from mere chemicals or a ever existing all powerful being that creates worlds and lifeforms for reasons apparently beyond my comprehension, I would never create a world like ours.
Consciousness came the same way any feature of ours came to be, it was useful so it developed little by little over a very long time. Natural selection favored it for us.
Khyrid 2 weeks ago
@Khyrid
Let me ask a different question. What is consciousness to you? Is it only brain chemistry or something more?
cda76er 2 weeks ago
@cda76er Brain chemistry and neural impulses are as much consciousness as random 1's and 0's are a computer program. The self aware mind we call consciousness is a process. The chemicals even the method of how neurons function could be completely replaced (if the technology existed) and the consciousness could remain. This process is not something you can hold in your hand, it is an event. Man has never needed to understand the mind to survive, so we don't and it seems magical to us.
Khyrid 2 weeks ago
Flagged as inappropriate: Threat of violence. Christians are sick.
jjgdenisrobert 1 month ago
This is a pretty basic concept of understanding that as humans we are all peers to each other meaning no one is greater or really has more authority than any other, because we all bleed and we all die. If the kid in this video were to shoot you and kill you then based on the belief that there is no belief, you cannot hold that kid accountable to a standard principle because you are human and therefore a peer with no ruling power over him regardless of paper documents and the such.
jesusnoland 1 month ago
@jesusnoland , Wrong. Try again. Tit-for-tat (i.e. the Golden Rule and the related Silver Rule) is a standard principle that many species have worked out for themselves, including humans, without any need for gods to tell them.
But a religion that tells you that a person you shoot in the face is (if they die) simply going to go to heaven and live forever, makes it much more likely you'll do it.
rg0057 1 month ago
@rg0057 the "Golden Rule" comes from the Bible, Matthew 7:12. I don't know which religion you are speaking of but the Bible does not say that anyone who is shot in the face goes to heaven Ecclesiastes 9:5.
jesusnoland 1 month ago
@jesusnoland Verbal diarrhoea. Its the usual threat of eternal nothingness or pain repackaged. Interesting that "christians" would come up with a gun stuck in your face. Secular society would hold the kid accountable, not religion. When religion last had the sway of the courts we ended up with the inquisition and old single women being burnt at the stake. People are still whipped put to death and have limbs cruelly amputated in countries where religion has courts barbaric really.
yournotright101 1 month ago
@yournotright101 Please do not mistake religion such as Catholicism, Quakers, Islam, and/or any other with the Bible. Religion is not the harbor of good morals, God is. Now as far as "secular" society (which is a poor term to use but for the sake of replying) is concerned you must remember to point both ways, i.e. the Manhattan Project. Good morals in this instance only go as far as nationality. Once recognized as apart from the nationality, that decency may not be given.
jesusnoland 1 month ago
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You are sick
XXshirokuroXX 1 month ago in playlist ¡OH DIOS TUYO!
Look at a detail, the word God is written in uppercase, which makes it clear that reference is made to the god of Christianity. Is this an attack directed exclusively against atheists, or is directed against those who do not accept the Christian god? We're talking about Christian fundamentalists...
MissMariet31 2 months ago
This ad shows how far they can go to discredit Christians to people who uses the brain. It's so sick, however I love to be an atheist.
elchavodelocio 2 months ago
Atheists (code word for communists) are cringing sissies when it comes to gun ownership, cause their totalitarian mind and their eschatological marxism cannot tolerate freedom.
TakisAthensGr 2 months ago
@TakisAthensGr ROTFLMAO! Christians are so cute. Sort of like watching a baby snake hatch from an egg. One can almost hear it hiss "kill a commie for christ!" - but that would be just too much to hope for! :-)
dan91709 1 month ago
@dan91709 Some thousands of commies have killed over 100.000.000 people as soon as they governed. Billions of Christians not a signle man for centuries. You just can't face the truth.
TakisAthensGr 1 month ago
@TakisAthensGr The single greatest cause of such slaughter is the notion that someone that doesn't believe what you do, or is different from you, is something less than worthy of compassion and grace. (sigh) My poor dear deluded young man, it's not what you believe, its how you treat others different from yourself that reveals what you really are.
Muslim - Christian - Communist - Capitalist.
Spreading hate is merely a symptom of the disease. It's your fear that kills.
dan91709 1 month ago 3
@TakisAthensGr One more word of advice, though I'm sure you never asked: Before you say again that no Christians kill, take a few moments to think about Bosnia, or Uganda, or other places where christian organizations have murdered children in the name of Jesus. Hatred is alive and well and living in the hearts of Christians everywhere. In all gentleness, when you say otherwise, it's only because you refuse to look at what is obvious to anyone whose eyes are opened.
Peace.
dan91709 1 month ago 2
@dan91709 Comparing Christianity and Capitalism with every other religion or ideology lacks any measure of proportionality. If you want to talk about Bosnia or Uganda (?) you have to compare it with something, with the hellish arab world regimes, with Stalin and then you can say whether atheists or theists kill more. Saying that one group has hatred in their hearts is not an argument. How do you measure hatred? The Bible teaches love not hatred. Islam teaches holy war, that's hatred.
TakisAthensGr 1 month ago
@TakisAthensGr I didn't compare Christianity with Capitalism, or Islam for that matter. I noted a disease that causes people to demonize people they've never met.
Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood of a human sacrifice that they worship. A god that impregnated it's mother so that it could be horribly tortured and killed for YOUR crimes such as wearing blended fabrics and eating bacon. All this so that it could forgive you only if you believe such nonsense without evidence. That's love?
dan91709 1 month ago
@TakisAthensGr You said "Billions of Christians not a signle man for centuries." Now, be honest. That wasn't true, was it? You now suggest that you were saying that atheists kill more people by comparing "hellish arab world regimes."
Does your god needs you to lie for it?
The story of Jesus boils down to a god that tortures and kills itself so it can conditionally forgive people - as long as they pay the clergy. An all-powerful peek-a-boo god that refuses to show itself to people it "loves."
dan91709 1 month ago
@TakisAthensGr The disease is belief without evidence. The lie is that you must believe the absurd to be an advocate of Truth, Justice, and Compassion.
Love doesn’t arise from fear or hate, or a belief that humanity is inherently evil.
The idea that no one will ever love you if you don't believe (whatever) isn’t just sad; it’s an idea calculated to enslave and diminish you so that you may be manipulated by the worst among us.
dan91709 1 month ago
I'm offensive and I find this Atheist.
Khyrid 2 months ago
Reported for terrorism
Jaimemiguel07 2 months ago
what a ignorant bitch who make this..
murkychampagne 2 months ago 2
Not true, you still matter to me. <3
500Questions 2 months ago
niggers
monkboyrc 2 months ago
offensive
harmeyersteve 2 months ago
Fucking vile.
RySenkari 2 months ago 2
BRAVO! This is the best ad for atheism yet!
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago 7
@InternetDarkLord
I didnt know that Jainism was violent, because it is a religion which has no gods.
MissMariet31 2 months ago
@MissMariet31 You are correct, Jainism preaches nonviolence, but no gods.
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
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@nudaydawning If we're free to do that then Exodus 21:7-11.
pat5168 3 months ago
What a sick video.
PaulinaPaulino 3 months ago
Basically this vid, in a sensationalized manner, supports one of the many consequences of a morally nihilistic society which is the inevitable result of a Godless society that or totalitarianism.
Here's the full Moral Argument in a 4 part series and nifty outline: Enjoy
/watch?v=mj2BeUP52Dc&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLEB04E423535F5D7C
Apologist68 3 months ago
@nudaydawning
So 20-25%(we come out to each other not to the public) of the American population are potential killers?
LMAO!
TheMrgoku1985 3 months ago
@nudaydawning Really, why don't you scroll down the page I quoted John 3:18 and with that said I wouldn't be going around calling others delusional if I were you.
RandomSnot 3 months ago
This video was... pure comic genius? had to be.
LostManSays 3 months ago
@nudaydawning No doubt you'll respond with 'you took the passage out of context' or stating the passage is justified because the bible says were all born sinners because rib woman listened to a talking snake long ago, ate a fruit and got kicked out of the garden along with 'dirt man'.
I've heard it all before.
RandomSnot 3 months ago
@nudaydawning Oh please, I mean just ignoring for now the fact neither you nor your ilk have provided ANY evidence of existance after death, your belief in 'surpreme justice' is a farce.
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Gods one and only son."
John 3:18
So according to this passage one can be a muderous scumbag and be rewarded with heaven so long as one 'believes' in Jesus.
RandomSnot 3 months ago
W...T...FFFFFFUUUUU!!!!! :-O
DaftStrings 3 months ago
Anyone ever heard of Harris and Kleibold?
TechLinkOnline 4 months ago
What's really sad is that this ad actually represents AiG's core beliefs and therefor can't be dismissed as a crazy shock-value publicity stunt.
cadman2300 4 months ago
disgusting propaganda!!
marcianoskate 4 months ago
Behold, the disturbing mind of the christian fundamentalist
RandomSnot 4 months ago 49
@RandomSnot by the kill count god has ....we don't matter anyway:).... at least not that god:)
kahetel13 4 months ago
Answers In Genesis is a bullshit enabling website for YEEC fundamentalists who wish to copy and then paste said bullshit on You Tube etc..
CarajilloDulce 4 months ago
Exactly what in the hell is the point to this?
SnowWalkerPrime 4 months ago
@SnowWalkerPrime To scare people into thinking they'll become homicidal psychos if they stop believing in god.
cadman2300 4 months ago
Holy. Shit.
I thought this from an apologetics website, not the Christian Al-Qaeda.
TheBiAtheist 4 months ago
So that Christian kid is going to shoot me cause I don't believe in god?
DAVIDISAKSON 5 months ago 3
@DAVIDISAKSON No, I think the message is that if you're just an animal you'll act like one. The kid in the video is representing an atheist.
TechLinkOnline 4 months ago
pathetic religious dogs....
Soetman 5 months ago
Translation: "Without me girl, you're nothing. You're worthless. Also, here's a fucking gun in your face."
I almost want to thumb this abusive garbage up just so more people can see the absolutely disgusting nature of your mythology. But instead I'll just save this video for future use, in case you take it down out of shame.. which you should, if you've got a shred of decency.
You're basically promoting an abusive relationship with a concept that you control.
That's sick.
Flyborg 5 months ago 27
@Flyborg This is how I see the darwin idea of survival of the fittest. How extreme of an idea it is. That Is the first thought that came into my mind. So...I do believe darwin and hitler controlled this concept first.
RadManSean 1 month ago
@RadManSean What a random comment which has nothing to do with either this video or the comment you're replying too.. But despite being a red herring, it's still silly:
1) Survival of the fittest is a fact that even the most die-hard creationists accept. Not sure why you're ragging on a fact.
2) It's a description of nature, not an ideology. (just like "what goes up must come down" is not a command, but a description)
3) Hitler was a creationist who put imaginary limits on evolution.
Try again.
Flyborg 1 month ago
@Daracon75 Christianity borrowing from the ancient Babalonians?
I am related to my cousin. Therefore, I am my cousin. Your logic is flawed, Herr Daracon75.
Biological evolution does not preclude free will, but that does not mean that "free will", in the strictest sense, exists. You assume too much when you read comments, reading into them what is not there.
What, precisely, is a "mutated chemical"? I know what a mutated genome is, but I think you are making a category mistake.
rootfivehigh 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh THAT is a fact... and your worldview is highly inconsistent with that fact - that if evolution were true, killing means nothing. I wasn't defending the claim that belief in evolution leads to homicide. You still couldn't answer my question. Nice dodge. The question was; Who determines what the criteria for justification is?
You have no objective moral standard, therefore your standard is subjective and false.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh Huh? that was not my logic - My language was used in a different sense. Secondly, what I said still stands unrefuted. According to evolution, we're all related and have a common ancestor, we're worth no more than animals, and you still can't provide any justification for why it would be "wrong" for a human to kill another, considering it would essentially just be one chemical accident getting rid of another chemical accident.
Doesn't matter how hard you try, you won't be able to.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh Regardless of what you say... information science disproves evolution completely. Spouting incorrect, pointless drivel such as "evolution is a fact" makes no difference.
Would you like another fact? There's no known process in which information can spontaneously generate in matter without an intelligent mind behind it. I know this is true.
I'm a software developer. The chances of biogenesis and evolution happening is the same as an application writing itself.... ZERO.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 You wrote: "There's no known process in which information can spontaneously generate in matter without an intelligent mind behind it."
First, you are going to have to define "information" for your claim to have any meaning. A hydrogen molecule is "information" broadly defined.
But, you probably mean DNA.
Well, I guess you better get busy showing that all gene duplication mutations that occur daily in bacteria to apes are all the actions of an intelligent mind.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA No, I do not mean DNA. I meant what I said... and No, a Hydrogen molecule itself is not information. Information is not matter or energy. You should know what the (scientific) definition of information is, but it's apparent that you don't. For something to constitute as information it must satisfy the following five areas... 1. Statistics, 2. Syntax, 3. Semantics, 4. Pragmatics and 5. Apobetics. If it does not satisfy these areas, it is not information.
Daracon75 5 months ago
@Daracon75 " Five areas? which you pulled out of your ass? This has been responded to under Information Theory and Creationism Werner Gitt by Rich Baldwin
By asserting that data must have an intelligent source to be considered information, and by assuming genomic sequences are information fitting that definition, Gitt defines into existence an intelligent source for the genome without going to the trouble of checking whether one was actually there. This is circular reasoning.
Feed me more.
ikt123 4 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Why should I get busy showing that all gene duplication mutations that occur daily in bacteria to apes are all the actions of an intelligent mind? To duplicate is to copy... copying existing information isn't generating new information, so why even mention it? Well I guess there's no real point now is there :)
Daracon75 5 months ago
@Daracon75 Your pathetic rebuttal relies on the fallacious conflation of code vs. information.
If you really mean what you say, you must concede that the written word contains no "new information" past the alphabet since it is simply recombinations.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA Your first statement is nothing but arbitrary and false. You still don't understand the definition of information. You like arbitrary assertions? Well here's one - you need some education.
It's possible that new combinations of words don't constitute information. If I strung random words together, would that constitute information? No, because it doesn't satisfy the criteria of the domain areas of information. But CAN new combinations constitute information? Yes. Why?...
Daracon75 5 months ago
@Daracon75 It's funny you define "information" as linguistic in nature and then go on to say that anything that doesn't meet that is not 'information." Beg your questions much? Ah, but logic is not the strong point of ID'ers.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA It's funny how you didn't refute a single thing I said; instead, resorted to ad hominem and provided no actual argument. What is your argument by the way? Do you actually have one?
"Ah, but logic is not the strong point of ID'ers." That's funny... I was just thinking the same about you.
Daracon75 5 months ago
@Daracon75 Wow, you are really a virgin in academic discussions aren't you? I should have guessed as much. "I didn't refute...?" I just attacked and killed the basic premise of your entire "argument". Please comprehend honey.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA "Ah, but logic is not the strong point of ID'ers." "Wow, you are really a virgin in academic discussions aren't you?" Hmm, I guess you're right... I don't know what ad hominem is. You really did refute my argument, didn't you?
But seriously, do you actually have an argument, or are you just going to waste my time with your worthless drivel?
Daracon75 5 months ago
@Daracon75 Please comprehend honey: my argument is that you don't have one. I've shown it rests on fallacy.
Just for giggles: define the ad hominem fallacy.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA You just proved that you're a waste of time without any argument. Good day.
Daracon75 5 months ago
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@Daracon75 That's right. You can't define ad hominem because you are a moron. Thanks :)
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
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@Daracon75 Prediction: you will say calling you a moron constitutes "ad hominem" and you will be demonstrating your ignorance of what the ad hominem argument actually is:) I will love it.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@Daracon75 The fact you don't know what constitutes "ad hominem" really just solidifies the case that you don't know logic.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@InTheImageOfDNA New combinations of words may satisfy the all domain areas of information. Specifically in this case, they satisfy Semantics and Apobetics. They provide new meaning and purpose, whereas random mutations clearly do not. This is where you have no argument. You can be as arbitrary as you want, but it won't achieve anything.
Daracon75 5 months ago
@Daracon75 Also, thanks for introducing me to the term "apobetics." Most actual philosophers might address the subject using "teleology". But I've seen that creationists like to have their own jargon like "baraminology" (LOL). It wows the rubes in the pews so I guess you know what you are doing.
InTheImageOfDNA 5 months ago
@Daracon75 q) "There's no known process in which information can spontaneously generate in matter without an intelligent mind behind it"
a) your comments are a good indication information can spontaneously generate in matter without an intelligent mind behind it.
check mate.
ikt123 4 months ago
no sir
i didnt like this at all
ANCESTERSMEMORIES 6 months ago
Is that referring to the psychotic passage in the bible that encourages parents to murder their atheist children by stoning?
riverlioness 7 months ago
Video is really saying "If you don't matter to my god, you don't matter to anyone so I'll kill you... you heathen bastard."
I bet Answers in Genesis wasn't aware of the double meaning of this commercial.
Durethia 7 months ago
What sort of freakish twist on the Christian teaching is this? would work better as the intro to a terrorist training video.
kidiboar1 7 months ago 2
fuck you. my mom loves me
Yahwehsninja 7 months ago
@ctrlaltWOOT
There is NOTHING in Genesis that explains, in scientific terms, HOW things were made... only that they were made by God.
.....Or I must have missed the part of Genesis where it talks about how DNA works.
Can you seriously defend this video....??
VforVideo 7 months ago
@ctrlaltWOOT
Only Listen to AiG. All other Bible scholars are wrong (probably Satanic too). <---obvious sarcasm
You can do all the Hermenutical gymastics you want to back up the position of your organization, but you're not going to convince me that the bible has anything to do with the age of our Universe. :) It simply was not written for that purpose. I don't understand why people like you desire to cause division over this non-issue.
Genesis 1:2
VforVideo 7 months ago
@ctrlaltWOOT
There is nothing in the Bible that directly indicates that the earth is "young" (or old for that matter). The age of the Earth is not a question the Bible was written to answer. For questions involving science, I prefer science books.
VforVideo 8 months ago
See, AnswersInGenesis DOES have answers, you're just not asking the right questions, sit back and ask yourself " whats the biggest bullshit story ever told?" ............. Answer is in genesis
SANHEDRIN666 8 months ago
What does this have to do with creationism?
1993TRS1 8 months ago
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And christians doubt the morals of atheists?
When was the last time a war was fought to promote the nonexistence of a God?
- NEVER
How about religion?
- Nearly every war, religious was a tool to blind people from rational thinking.
Many wars are fought with not religion being merely a tool, but the cause.
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EpicAthiest 8 months ago
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EpicAthiest 8 months ago
MADE ME LOL
xtra7765 8 months ago
This is sick. Answers in Genesis is a cult.
They aren't defending Christianity, they are defending their batshit cult leader Ken Ham who believes the bible says the universe is 6,000 years old, evolution is the cause of violence, and Genesis is more important than Jesus.
AiG, you make me sick. On behalf of all Christians, I demand an apology. In the name of Christ, I demand an apology.
VforVideo 8 months ago 5
@VforVideo You're right, it seriously hinders other factual Christians from spreading the word. It makes me sad that a Christian organization would so blatantly ignore such abundant science.
christiano241525 6 months ago
What a pathetic attempt at shock-advertising. Morality exists outside religion.
Task5003 9 months ago 2
i can see what this is trying to get across but....i think it may have been done in the wrong way.
8superdooper8 9 months ago
If I didnt matter to anyone could I antimatter to someone?
Gupta1205 9 months ago 2
But god isn't real .. So that means I don't matter .. So anyone hmmm
bedtimegirl654654 9 months ago
So true!!
sprinkleddought 10 months ago
According to the bible,the people who didn't matter to God, such as every man, woman and child on the earth except for Noah and his family, then later the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, the Perizzites and the all the men women children and babies that God personally claimed to kill, or had his followers kill, - all these people's lives mattered to me, which is why I could no longer believe the christian claims about God.
TheMortalhuman 10 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Every human matters to God... that's why he sent his Son to die for all mankind. So you think you know better than God, is that it? Do you believe that God has the right to kill someone? You fail to understand that the creator of the universe is infinitely more intelligent, powerful and righteous than any human who has ever lived. Do you think you know better than God when it comes to what is "right"?
Daracon75 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman He is the creator... and since he created life... he has the right to take it away any time he chooses. He created morality also. His standard is the ultimate and objective standard of morality - anything less is merely relative morality in which anyone can claim what is "moral", as you have done. Unlike you, God cannot just turn a blind eye to sin without atonement. It's like a judge just "letting" a murderer go.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman If a man murdered a bunch people, was arrested for it.... and then in the courtroom, instead of jailing the man, the judge simply said "it's okay...let him go"; Wouldn't you be outraged? Of course you would... a judge who just "lets people go" would be evil. We do not have an evil God. He punishes sin, as he SHOULD. But he is also an infinitely loving God - which is why he has provided a way out... he sent his own son to die in our place so that we can have eternal life.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 You ask me if I know better than the god described in the bible. In fact you know better than that God. If you could swap places with your god you would not demand that all people recognise your greatness. You would not demand that all people on earth fall on their knees and worship you. You certainly would not torture and burn people incessantly because they believed in a different god, or didn't believe you existed at all. You would understand that people believe....
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Who can contend with the almighty? Compared to God, I know absolutely nothing. The true, living God, the God of the Bible is an infinitely loving, powerful and righteous God. You're projecting your own flawed human nature onto the situation... but what you don't realise is that as God is infinitely more powerful and righteous than we are, so is his standard. His standard is absolute perfection, and not a single human has EVER lived up to his standard.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman What would "I" do, you say? I'm not God... if I had infinite intelligence I would know, but I don't. You completely dodged what I said about the "murderer", because you know it's the truth. Every human has the knowledge of God in his heart... but there are those who suppress the truth through their unrighteousness. Why do they do this? Because they can't bare the thought of being accountable to their creator for their wrongdoings... they'd rather be their own God.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 I think that every person is certainly capable of imagining a god. Whether that god is described accurately in the bible or any other text is another matter. I know that as soon as i was mature enough I recognised that the god described in the bible was a very little, petty war god. The god I had in my heart was much bigger and above all feelings of jealousy and need for adoration. My god was truly just, never punishing people for doing what they thought he wanted them to do.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Your argument about morality fails completely. Without an objective moral standard given by God, you have no such thing as morality. Hitler thought it was a good thing to kill 6 million Jews, and he could provide evidence as to why it was a good thing. Some people believe it's a good thing to kill Africans because of their supposed "low IQ", and that it would "benefit the world to get rid of feeders". They have evidence also, so are they moral?
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 The evidence that hitler used to justify his treatment of the jews came from the bible. Thankfully the moral majority corrected him. I'm sure people believe many kinds of horrible things about other people. Most of the time they use scripture of one kind or another to provide evidence for their claims. I agree with you, they are not moral.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman "The evidence that hitler used to justify his treatment of the jews came from the bible." That's nothing but pure conjecture. One of the many things anti-Christian from Hitler's own mouth:
""The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity...."
Hitler was not a Christian. Nor did he do what he did because of Christianity. Period.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 This is a real separate argument. Doubtlessly you have read all the other quotes where he uses the bible to justify his "struggle" I do feel sorry that you have to to disown Hitler. watching christian do this is like watching someone wipe dog poo off their shoe. There's no denying it, and there no dignity in it.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman The statements by Hitler unequivocally prove that he's anti-Christian, therefore nothing that he has ever done can be attributed to or credited to Christianity. He was never a Christian and his motives were clearly not Christian. Attributing Hitler's deeds to Christianity is like attributing a Muslim's deeds to atheists. It's sheer absurdity.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Keep wiping.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@Daracon75 The god I held into for many years understood why people believed and disbelieved, because He knew people inside and out. He knew why people doubted, He knew why they would choose one religion instead of another. He would never become outraged, He would never subject anyone to torture. If you want to imagine a god who murders, tortures, burns, drowns, bullies and frightens people you are free to do so, but I could never accept such a little god.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman God cannot murder by definition. He has the right to kill... since he created life. The supposed "God" you know is not God... The "God" you know, is evil. He allows murderers to go unpunished. So by your logic, I could go around slaughtering thousands of people, and I'd be perfectly justified in doing so.
You haven't thought this through have you. You're all caught up in your own "emotions" which can be fooled very easily.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 You would expect a perfect god not to ever commit murder, this is why it is so obvious that the bible god is not a description of a perfect god because he is described a the perpetrator of many many premeditated slayings. A perfect god who created life would do everything to protect and nurture it, correcting it with appropriate justice, and respect, not slaughter and torture it on the slightest provocation.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@Daracon75 I suppose it is true that my empathy for other people is what made me reject the bible as a true desciption of a real God. Recently I saw footage of the massive floods in Pakistan and there was a woman stuck in a tree with her baby. She was holding it up above her head on the highest branch she could climb as the waters raged around her. I thought "this could be a scene from the flood of Noah". The woman's torment lasted hours. Thousands like her perished miserably...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@Daracon75 I wondered how this scene could in any way be a just treatment for someone who believed in the wrong god, or didn't believe in any god, or didn't worship their god in the right way. I knew that there are many people who could look at her and her child and say "good riddance", "serves you right", "you should have accepted Jesus when you had the chance" I must admit I throw up a little bit in my mouth when I meet people who think like that.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman It seems that you're unable to answer two of my simple questions after I repeatedly asked you to. You have no defense against the arguments I've put forth about morality, which is why you haven't answered, and you have no reason to believe otherwise.
The only thing stopping you from coming to the truth is your emotions. You need to get over your feelings and start using some logic.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Was it the vinegar thing? Was that one of your serious questions that I didn't answer ? Something about being angry with a chemical reaction? I know you don't accept that morality can change and evolve and improve, I know you don't like the idea that morality is a human invention/evolved trait. I know you claim that there are absolute perfect moral standards that are described in the bible, somewhere among the laws for slavery and animal sacrifice. Maybe you can point them out.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
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@TheMortalhuman It's very simple. You've said that morality is decided upon by what everyone decides is moral. So if in one country, everyone decides that the law is to kill stupid people... is that moral? and you said NO, because it harms people. So clearly your earlier statement about "everyone" deciding what is moral is clearly wrong then... so either your statement about "everyone deciding morality" is wrong, or your statement about "harming people" is wrong. ONE of them is wrong.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 One country is not everyone. We have indeed had examples of nations doing things that were judged immorral by the rest of the worlds standards, and had quite horrible conflicts in order to rid the world of that immorality.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman So? Obviously not everyone is going to agree on what is right and wrong.... so it's impossible for "everyone" to decide what morality is. Secondly, what gives you the right to tell others what is right and wrong? They have opinions too... and theirs are just as valid as yours. Relative morality refutes itself by it's own standard. And you're back at square one.
You need to do some hard thinking. I'll leave you with it.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 I want you to understand that if the bible described a god who was actually all loving, abounding in mercy and justice, all knowing and honourable I probably would have remained a believer, at least for a longer period, but the bible god is probably the most evil and immoral character ever described, and as soon as I began reading the bible I was embarrassed and disgusted that his behaviour was held up as something to emulate.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman So God sending his only son to die in YOUR place isn't enough? Have you ever told a lie? Of course you have... what does that make you?... a liar! Have you ever stolen something?... of course you have... that makes you a thief... so far you're a liar and a thief. Have you ever thoughts about killing someone? Of course you have. God says that if you even think about killing someone, you've already committed murder in your heart. Yet despite all of this, he's offering salvation.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 ..different things for different reasons. Is there any way you could decide to kill everyone in the world because you felt they were living their lives without proper recognition of you? Is there any way you could watch a mother climb a tree with a baby in her arms and keep the water pouring down until both her and her infant gurgled and drowned in utter despair? Would you feel satisfaction that justice had been done? Would you make a law that demanded an animal be stoned to death?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman You see, God can't just turn a blind eye to evil, like you would like him to... he's not evil. He is righteous, and he doesn't allow evil to go unpunished. Every human in the world has sinned and is worthy of death. There is no such thing as a "good" person either. Every single human has an inherently sinful nature. Myself included.
There must be atonement for sin. God provided a way out for everything through his own Son's sacrifice in our place. It's truly amazing.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Would you demand that your followers kill people? Would you kill them if they showed mercy? Would you put a man through the anguish of having to kill his son in order to prove his loyalty to you? Would you let a man's family be killed as a test to see if he would turn away from you? Would you kill a man if he tried to protect one of your holy relics from falling off a cart?
I am hoping that you have answered an emphatic no to all these questions.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Well if I was God, I'd be responsible for the death of every human in existence now, wouldn't I... why? Because ALL humans die. Whether young, or in their old age... all humans die. Why don't you take that up with God - ask him "Why didn't you make us immortal, God?"
Let me ask you a question - do you believe that you're a "good" person?
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Allowing people to live their natural lifespan and die unmolested would be the moral thing to do if you were a moral God. Perhaps then to look after all people in peace would also be moral.The god described in the bible does not do this. He personally intervenes to brutally cut short the lives of many men, women, children and babies. Not content with that he then subjects them to unending torture. This is evil.
I know the ray Comfort "liar" routine
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Th ray comfort routine:
Are you a good person? Yes
Have you ever stolen or told a lie? er Yes.
Then you're a thief and a liar aren't you? er Yes.
What should God do with thieves and liars? um.. punish them
etc etc.
If that is the direction you were going to go , may I ask suggest a parallel set of questions?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Oh you're a "good" person are you? By who's standard? Yours? Well unfortunately your standard is not God's standard. He is a perfect, holy being, and his standard is perfection. Sad to say, but you clearly don't measure up. According to God - you are not a good person. You're a liar, a thief, and a murderer and an adulterer to name a few...
Your "Good works" are but filthy rags to him... as are mine. Do you really think any "good" thing you've ever done compared to God?
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 I'm sorry to have stuffed up your routine. If you are also a liar, like me, why indeed should I listen to anything you have to say about what you think god is like?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Something like
Are you a good person? Yes
Have you ever treated other people with love and respect? um yes
Have you ever taught someone to treat others well? Yes I have
Have you ever put other people's needs ahead of your own? Yes I have.
So your a sensiitve humane person who cares for other people? I suppose so
What should God do to sensitive humane people who care for other people?
(insert your answer here)
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Sensitive and humane by who's standard? You're not sensitive and humane or caring compared to what God considers sensitive, humane and caring. It's like comparing your power to Gods. You might say "I'm stronger than that little kid over there... look how strong I am!"... How strong are you compared to God? The strongest man in the world is infinitely weaker than God.
God is infinitely more righteous than anyone in the world - and his standard is pure perfection... and you failed
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 perhaps I'm not a thief or a liar by God's standard also. Either way the Ray Comfort routine gets put on the shelf next to the banana routine.
A real's god's standard may indeed be higher than anyone in the world, but the bible certainly does not describe that god accurately.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Don't dodge my question about evolution. Would you get angry at vinegar for reacting with bi-carb soda?
You don't have to believe me. I encourage you to do some research for yourself, pray to God for guidance. Use some of that logic that God has given you.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 vinegar always reacts with bi carb soda, it is a chemical certainty, but people do not have to choose to support immoral teachings, and promote them. This is something you have a choice about and you have chosen differently to me.
What would you have me research? the Bible? I've read it complete twice and some parts many more times. Did God guide your argument? Did you pray before answering me?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman ..."but people do not have to choose to support immoral teachings." If people are merely evolved pondscum, like you believe, then they don't have a choice... because chemicals don't have a choice. So either we're evolved pondscum that doesn't have a choice, or we were created by God and do have a choice.
And you still haven't answered about going back on yourself. You can't keep dodging much longer....
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Being evolved from humble beginnings does not preclude us from having choice. Our highly evolved brains enable us to make very complex choices, based on many different pieces of information which we can process. It is a a false dichotomy that you present and an argument that represents none of my claims.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman If we're just evolved pondscum then we do not have a choice... because choices are merely chemical and electrical impulses in our brains. So people doing "bad things" is just the way the chemicals in their brain have reacted. If you think otherwise, then you can't believe in evolution. You have to make a decision.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 Why would you come to that conclusion? Can you explain why you believe a lifeform with a highly complex evolved mind could not behave in a variety of ways? You are making a statement about the nature of living beings that I don't claim . Should I try to justify a claim that I don't make? This is a silly straw man argument. If you claim that because we evolved from humble beginnings we cannot make choices you are not representing anything I support
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman No, what I'm saying is if you believe that we evolved from sludge from non-living matter, then all we are is chemicals... and that is a fact. Chemicals do not have a choice. Bi-card can't "choose" not to react with vinegar. If we simply evolved in a naturalistic fashion, then someone killing someone else is meaningless... it's just one chemical accident getting rid of another. So why would you be angry at that? You shouldn't be, but you are. Why are you? I'll tell you why...
Daracon75 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman You get angry at people murdering others because in your heart you know the Biblical God. He's written his laws on your heart. That is where the huge inconsistency is... and you will never ever be able to explain it rationally. Ever. Words will come out of your mouth, but they won't make any sort of sense. Humans do have a choice, because we're more than just chemicals. We're created in the image of God, and our lives are sustained by God.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman If you believe that we have a choice, then you can NOT believe in evolution. If you believe in evolution, then you shouldn't be angry at death. One chemical removing another is not "wrong". Would you get angry at a lion killing and eating a zebra? Of course not. Only I can explain your inconsistency. You know the truth, yet you actively suppress it. You have no logical defense to it either.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 You have some strange ideas about the nature of life there. I don't share them.
If you wish to settle for the biblical description of a god that is your choice of course. I am sad for you that you think everyone who believes differently will suffer forever. It is probably a good thing that you consider everyone evil and that you extinguish all empathy for other people so that you can cope with that horrible thought.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@Daracon75 "then you cannot believe in evolution" does not logically follow from a belief in free will, unless you are assuming that biological evolution precludes 'free will', which it does not. This sort of freedom was not available to animals until we evolved the ability to think about ourselves thinking. Second, we do not get mad about a lion killing and eating a zebra because a)"they" are not "us", and b)we do get mad when members of our species kill each other for unjustified reasons,
rootfivehigh 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh which makes sense because the willy-nilly killing of our own does not promote our specie's survival. Besides all that, we do not get our "ought" from what "is". Just because something "is" in nature, does not mean that we think it "ought" to be that way. Why else would we change our environments so drastically?
rootfivehigh 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh Who or what said that promoting the survival of our species is desired? Some people just want themselves to survive and no one else. You can't explain the word "ought" and "should", because they relate to morality.... and in an evolutionary worldview, you can only have relative morality - and relative morality refutes itself. You really did fail pretty badly at trying to make a rational defense against your position. Once again, you were unable to rationally explain anything.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@Daracon75 I do not, and did not, promote moral relativity. Also, it seems as though you are too dense to see the point of my post. Typical creationist. Evolution is not a position, it is a fact. Morality is useful in that it helps the propagation of an intelligent species such as ourselves. Also, I should note that it is not my responsibility to explain anything to you. You are defending the claim that "belief in evolution leads to homicide", and you have failed miserably.
rootfivehigh 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh It doesn't matter if you promoted relative morality or not because you have no other option. You do not have an objective moral standard, therefore you can ONLY believe in relative morality. I saw your point... and it was worthless. Does saying "evolution is a fact" make you feel any better? Your idea of evolution is utter garbage. Abiogenesis is a total joke to say the least and is a complete impossibility.
Daracon75 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh You don't have to explain anything? Then WHY did you bother responding to my comment? Yeah, I thought so. The fact is, that if evolution were true, then relative morality exists, and no one can determine what is actually moral. Some people can decide that killing idiots is wrong, and no one or nothing has the right to tell them otherwise. Why is this? Because according to evolution, we're just chemicals... and one human killing another is just one chemical accident removing another
Daracon75 6 months ago
@rootfivehigh Evolution doesn't allow for free will.. because according to evolution, we're just mutated chemicals, and chemicals don't have free will.
Borrowing from Christianity again, are we? It's not surprising. The Bible clearly makes a distinction between humans and animals - but evolution says that we all came from the same place, and we're all related. So actually, we ARE them. Secondly, who can determine what the criteria for "justification" is? You? The guy down the street?
Daracon75 6 months ago
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rootfivehigh 6 months ago