Hitler also despised the Poles and tried in great earnest to decimate them.... the point is there is no monopoly on suffering and nor should there be a competition as to who has suffered the most (or even who is suffering the most now). I would argue that the suffering of the Holocaust SHOULD be universalised, so that sense of the suffering of Others- both now, before and in perpetuity- will never be forgotten nor our striving to make amends for it ever cease.
That's why most of mainland Europe were complicite or turned a blind eye. Most of hitlers ideas came from the eugeniscist movement in America. The problem of the international Jew springs to mind. Author: Henry Ford.
@ ronhelf catholicism created the groundwork for the holocaust, Hitler was contrary to opinion, catholic one the two absolutes of catholicism is persecution of Jews for the death of Christ, and women to suffer pain in childbirth, for the sins of eve not Adam, how do you think so many nazis escaped punishment the catholic church issued them with new birth certificates, hitlers hatred of Jews came from not being accepted into vienese art school to less talented bourgeoisie Jews.
ThatLibretto of this piece is taken from the cell wlall of concentration camp in occupied warsaw were germans usually mordered polish prisoners. Soprano seems for me too big.
GORECKI !!! Poland has produced some of the best composers in the world. Chopin, Paderewski, Rubinstein, Lutoslawski, Komeda, Kilar, Penderecki, Preisner, Rubik, etc. Fantastic music coming from there.
It is quite clear, historically, that Christian anti-Semitism, which began about as soon as Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire and which becomes enshrined in the codes of Theodosius and Justinian, laid the foundations for anti-Semitism in Europe into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Hitler and other Nazi ideologues created a hybrid consisting of Xtian anti-Semitism and racial science with its hierarchical categorisation of humans that gave us the Shoah.
The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra will be performing this work as well as Colina's The Unbearable Lightness of Being and Three Cabinets of Wonder with Anastasia Khitruk (violin) on 29 Nov. 2011 at Cadogan Hall in London at 19.30 - I'll be there!
To me and others those who died so young will never,ever be forgotten. Others just, would not understand. God save the Queen. Millions of us of a later age are ever ready for the call,and you can bet your bollocks on that.
"In prison, the whole wall was covered with inscriptions screaming out loud: 'I'm innocent', 'Murderers', 'Executioners', 'Free me', 'You have to save me. Adults were writing this, while here it is an eighteen-year-old girl. And she is so different. She does not despair, does not cry, does not scream for revenge. She does not think about herself; whether she deserves her fate or not. Instead, she only thinks about her mother: because it is her mother who will experience true despair.
@cronosqc Well, I'm not really sure she sings about her mother. Rather Virgin Marry and called her "mother" (which is very much in polish traditions). so beatiful, so moving...
I was crying this whole video. The composition and the singer were wonderful. It breaks my heart, though, that humans could do what was done at Auschwitz, slavery to Africans, and even do continue such horrors today, though on a smaller scale (Bosnia, Taliban & Al-Queda terrorists, etc.). When will we evolve overall as a race? Remember, though, that “All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
A more powerful reminder of the holocaust than any history book or film. Perhaps one of the most important pieces of music written in the past century.
Beautiful, haunting introduction as the rain falls. Reminds me of an unrequited love for a woman at my college that I will never forget. Although it was sad she changed my life for the better and it has taken new directions. Every time I hear this start to the symphony I will never forget her and what might have been....
Not a church, not a ideology, not a political regimes heart peoples. Always men heart men! Every day, every where... Both - hell & heaven are inside. we bring them out.
I remember seeing this programme in 2005 and this song in particular touched my soul. I have been looking ever since to find a copy and have just ordered a copy of the DVD from the Auchwitz Museum.
Regligions, armies and/or countries don't make war, human beings do. Primo Levi said it was not a case of where was God during Auchwitz, it was a case of where was man during Auchwitz?. Individual human beings create war and misery, whatever cause they might purport to implement it in.
@ whaddupmf - The Catholic Church had A LOT to do with Holocaust - worked two thousand years on it!!! I know some people still believe the world is flat or that Jews killed Jesus - it is all the same. Denying facts does not hurt facts but people in the end :(
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."- Adolf Hitler (just saying)
The sheer sense of sorrow that comes through this is overwhelming. We should always remember Auschwitz because, as one old veteran said, if we don't remember it, it will be so, so easy to let it happen again.
After having recently visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, I believe it right to retain the German name. The very language of Polish should not be besmirched by this horror. The greatest of Germans feel only lacerating guilt for no reason. This generation did not commit these, the grossest of wrongs. Those that did would feel nothing of the import and affect of this gorgeously tragic music. It is our task never to forget and always to receive this music as it is - nourishment and solace.
Hitler may have been nominally Christian. Christianity requires a relationship w/ Christ. Jesus would not condone the murder of millions for a pure race. Jesus did not mention races, and all are equal in the eyes of the Christian God. Life is also sacred b/c it was given by God. Hitler and many other were eugenists, a popular scientific movement at the turn of the century. Many in this movement have sought to divide church and science to drive their own secular humanistic beliefs.
This comment at MondoWeiss brought me to this video:
"Israel is a state established by a group of Polish Jews who escaped this"
What I’ve witnessed on the West Bank
by Jdledell
"I have witnessed enough unnecessary violence and degradation by Jews in the West Bank to fill a very large book. I have seen IDF soldiers at a check point pissing on Palestinian shoes. In this instance, the Palestinian man tried to take a swing at the soldier who merely stepped back and shot the man in the chest."
This comment at MondoWeiss brought me to this video:
"Israel is a state established by a group of Polish Jews who escaped this"
What I’ve witnessed on the West Bank
by Jdledell
"I have witnessed enough unnecessary violence and degradation by Jews in the West Bank to fill a very large book. I have seen IDF soldiers at a check point pissing on Palestinian shoes. In this instance, the Palestinian man tried to take a swing at the soldier who merely stepped back and shot the man in the chest."
@croynadebuseny My country was an ally to nazi germany? Hitler wasnt religious? HOLY SHIT DUDE, you need to seriously do some real research outside of what the church wants you to believe. Hitler was Christian and wanted a pure race because of his religious beliefs. America was one of the main countries that went against Germany in WW2. You need some education, kid. Some REAL education.
Some music is made to capture your heart. This captures you, heart, mind, body and soul. Thank you Gorecki for sharing something so beautiful with the world.
one of the most importan posts ever Thank you for the tears - may they fall and heal - ... this is moving - very potent - let the Ghost Go Free - as I think of September 11th and all the Death Camps and those that suffer - May a Healing Balm come.. PLEASE...please xxx
It's not about Catholics, Jews, Poles, Germans, Nazis or whatever. Gorecki, from what I've read, said that this was about the objectivity of human suffering, human loss. Don't politicize something which speaks to the very core of every human being. This is neither a religious nor political piece; It is human.
@CatinShackles your comment is obviously an educated one, however i would question the want to depoliticize great art. if the human soul becomes separated from politics, religion or any other form of expression and discourse, then it becomes purely aesthetic. the soul must lie in human experience, and that is why, (in my opinion) you can't separate politics from art, to do so renders it as entertainment, and this goes deeper than that.
@ooooooooser I don't necessarily think that great art should be depoliticized. But politics and religion are merely symptoms of the human condition. I think this music skips that nonsense. It bypasses Religion and politics, and attacks us at our spiritual core. When you listen to this particular piece, do you ponder politics, or do you react emotionally, at a fundamental, unknowable level? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have to think and philosophize to be moved by this music.
@CatinShackles No. Its rebellion against God's law. Thats what it is. Its the depravity of man and the foolishness of humanism. Its the expression of the need of conformity to our creator. Thats what it is.
@CatinShackles I agree. People Need to be more human and less politician or religious. Human feelings are above politics and religion. If only people understood that, life on earth would be much better.
I agree with you, but don't universalize it so much that you take it away from the Jews, as so many people have tried to do. Some people try to erase Jews from everything.
Remember, they did the bulk of the dying.
I am not accusing you of that however; I'm merely pointing it out for all to know.
@whiskerchild Hey whiskerchild palestinians are getting slaughtered every day, Iraqi people are people killed each day by the west. Somalians are slaughtering each other. Jewish were slaughtered and noone should forget but my dear try to remember the here and now and don't give precedence to one death over another. This song is for suffering and as said well by Catlinshackles- it is about Human Despair don't pigeon hole it. Open up.
Uhhh, trying to take it away from the Jews again, are we?
SIX MILLION, THAT IS TWO THIRDS OF EUROPEAN JEWRY DIED THERE. Oh, they were "opened up" alright.
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" - look it up; it's a political term made by enemies of Jews. That area, Palestine, was part of the Ottoman empire, & the whole area had Arabs & Jews. They couldn't stand it that Jews won their war in 1948. They've been calling themsevles "Palestinians" ever since.
Dont spread misinformations, dont manipulate. Only anger probably dwell in your soul/mind. Polish Catholic church were nothing in common with Nazi-Germans.
Nazi-Germans killed almost 6.000.000 Poles, and similar number of Jewish (half of them were Polish - Jewish). Thousands of Jewish people in Poland was saved by Polish Catholics Church or Poles. In Auschwitz died 75000 Pols.
"Queen of Heaven" ? The Catholic church were arm in arm with the Germans from strart to finish. The Holocaust could not have occured without the Church`s willing blessing. Priests accompanied the Nazi`s throughout and gave them 'absulution` at the end.
Gorecki`s music is wonderful. Lets not fall ourselves with these lyrics.It was Hiel Mary and Hitler. Shame but the bitterness and antisemitism still continues.
that doesnt mean that some catholics wernt persecuted. and the catholic church are not the only ones who put faith in mary and have prayes stating "hail mary full of grace. Queen of heaven"
Dont spread misinformations, dont manipulate. Only anger probably dwell in your soul/mind. Polish Catholic church were nothing in common with Nazi-Germans.
Nazi-Germans killed almost 6.000.000 Poles, and similar number of Jewish (half of them were Polish - Jewish). Thousands of Jewish people in Poland was saved by Polish Catholics Church or Poles. In Auschwitz died 75000 Pols.
This has got to be the best recording and videoof this I have seen. It has so much emotion embedded in the singing and video. I don't cry often but this does it for me.
My heart goes out to the people who lost their lives in those times. Hopefully things have changed, but I doubt it. Even now there are lives lost though differences in religion and culture. Man;s inhumanity to man
@laspilly Then you do no credit to either of your countries. For if you think anyone should be thoughtless and reckless, as you do, you deserve to be in the category of that most foul and lowest of filthy creatures, the lurid, licentious and vilest of all the walking dirt; the ignorant or americans.
@odovicor Nazis werent evil. Hitler was right. All german people loved him and he loved germans. Adolf the great was savior of europe, people like you who have mind poisoned by jewish lies will never understand. Heil Hitler, our eternal führer.
IT is so easy to depersonalise people by using a collective name,but the people who died in the death camps were children.women and men they had names,they were loved by family and friends,the children had shoes and socks and coats on when they were put into the camps just like children in every other part of the western world and toys and fears.I will not do this again or listen to the music,which is beautiful,but which tears me apart,how could such amonstrous things happen to any human being
I read accounts in American newspapers of people throughout Europe pulling their cars off to the sides of the road over come with emotion in Germany when they first heard Gorecki’s Symphony No. 3 being played over the FM radio after its release. I first heard it as the soundtrack of the movie Fearless starring Jeff Bridges, as an airplane he was on was crashig, and he ultimately survived. Such a beautiful symphony - i can't help but get tears in my eyes when i hear it.....
See the fascists in Finland and Austria, see Lepen in France, see the financial crisis provoked from the Banks making worker slaves in all the countries, giving poverty to Greece and Portugal, the FMI, the Economic European Union, all of us using the language of England and not Esperanto, the Berlusconni, the spanish fascism against Basque Country... EUROPE RISE UP!!!! LEARN FROM THE PAST!!!!!
@corporate88slave English is not my language. I speak catalan, french, spanish, esperanto, polish and a bit of czech. There are 6.000 languages in the world.
Do you mean you want the english should be known by everybody as Hitler wanted the german for everybody?
@JONNOG88 Why my comment is "pollution"? because you didn't like it?... I'm sorry for you. My comment is MY opinion and it explained very well a real situation than is happening now in Europe and in the world.
@joancatala Excellent post. Not to mention that a recent poll showd 50% of Spaniards had an unfavorable view towards Jews. Goog to see there is opposition to growing hatred throughout Europe. Fight on. From America.
I remember seeing this on tv, tears all over, about 6 years ago and I've thought about it now and then ever since. I'm so glad I found it again. It really moves your heart.
@jp87654 it is interesting, how you used everything suitable to describe someone like yourself... how can you not see the facts
try to open your eyes a little bit and allow your love to whatever in life blind you this much... research a little bit -if you really do not want to be so childish and ignorant- and you will find for yourself
@aritasIII I've seen the facts. I've been to Israel 5 times. I've been to Gaza - in an armored vehicle. I know first hand, what is going on, and I can tell you, comparing Israel to the Nazis is outrageous. I go to Northwestern University, one of the top schools in the world. I had two Palestinians stay in my dorm room. I talked to them. I know the facts. Both sides have done wrong. The fact of the matter is, I can practice any religion I want in Israel. In Arab countries, women can't even walk..
@jp87654 ..the streets alone. If they cheat on their husbands, they are stoned to death. Gays are murdered. Israel has done some wrongdoing, but the fact is, they promote the ideals of democracy and liberty that I stand for. The Palestinians don't. Suicide bombings? C'mon, seriously. I feel for some Palestinians, but until they stop supporting Hamas and Hezbollah, and until they recognize the mere fact that Israel has a right to exist, no progress will be made.
@jp87654 You mean like the ants you encounter when you weed your flowerbed? These people. As if the murder of a single righteous man were not something that cries to heaven for justice.
If this does not bring tears to your eyes - I don't know what will. To this day, this portion of Gorecki's moves my heart. I cannot listen to this much longer because I break down .....
truly sad and touching.. but it makes it even harder for me to understand how a nation that had lived somthing as horrible as the Nazi holocaust, could be able to practice atrocities nearly matching those of the nazis against others!
It's important to be aware that, although the symphony was associated to the Jewish Holocaust by the public and media, Gorécki didn't write it about it. In fact, if he wrote it about anything at all, it would be about mothers (he dedicated it to his wife, the mother of his children), since his mother died when he was only two, and he had this special affection to that subject all through is life and work. In fact, not even the text was written by a Jewish girl. Notice the line "Ave Maria."
This is a piece which represents the rawest level of sadness and agony. Never before have I been so moved by a piece of music than when i heard this music. Henryk Gorecki, you are amazing. Thank you for making this as a reminder of what true sadness is and may you rest in peace.
It fascinates me this obsession the Western World has with the terrible holocaust.
What I find so interesting is that many people who know of Nazi Germany 1938-1944 know nothing of Pol Pots Cambodia Idi Amin's Uganda,Rwanda, Yugoslavia etc. Why, do these all more recent atrocities,receive far less attention than what happened in Europe in the 40's? Can anyone answer?
@calico992 A lot of the atrocities that happened in Nazi Germany were filmed, so the general public is shocked and saddened by these videos whereas the other crimes you listed were only photographed. The media ate up what happened in Nazi Germany because it was very well documented. In Cambodia, Uganda, Rwanda, etc the crimes were mostly against the poor who weren't as quick to write down what happened. Personally as Serb it saddens me that so few in America know who about who the Ustase were.
Exactly! But why is it so well documented? We have 1 movie on cambodia, 2 movies on Idi Amin, 1 movie on Rwanda, 6,000 movies on the holocaust. Next time some one says the name hitler, interrupt them and say: do you know who Pol Pot is? I bet 1 in 5 can answer
@calico992 I disagree. I think most well-versed in the Holocaust knows about these atrocities as well. Numbers shouldn't be used to undercut, but 11 million were killed in Holocaust - to my knowledge more than in rwanda, cambodia etc.Also, the Holocaust took place in the western world. The Jews in Europe were major contributors in art, politics, sports,etc. Then totally wiped out in the blink of an eye. In that effect, it was like no other act of genocide. Still, all should be given attention
@jp87654 My understanding was that around 6 million were killed in the Holocaust. But almost 1 million were killed in Rwanda in the matter of a few months, I think that gives the Nazi Holocaust a run for its money
Also anyone who fought for the British Empire/USA should be considered among the "righteous gentiles" like the Polish/French resistance. The British Empire need never have entered the war, Hitler considered Britons "racially equal" & didn't want war, but Britain knew what was right...
@trixwiz7 We shouldn't be comparing the brutality of different genocides. they're all evil, ugly, inhumane. I'm just trying to illustrate why the holocaust receives more fascination - because it took place in a modern, western country. The people who were killed weren't povertized, lower-class people. These people were olympic athletes, politicians, musicians, artists. I think that's what fascinates people about the Holocaust. And Britain, btw, almost let it all happen
@jp87654 Yes I mostly agree. It was because the victims of the Nazi Holocaust were higher profile than most Africans, etc. From the last 50 years till today, Jews exercise more influence over the world (govt & media) than most Rwandans, for instance.
But it shouldn't matter how successful or smart someone is, all people are equal and other genocides should get as much attention.
Britain (& her Empire) did stop Nazism, not in her interests but humanity's, so they are righteous gentiles too
@trixwiz7 I'm not saying anyone deserves more attention.Just saying that when someone high profile dies, people notice. when a low-profile person dies, people don't notice.What's more shocking about the Holocaust is never before have I heard of so many influential people being slaughtered.Doesn't make them more important, just more shocking.And if you consider Britain a righteous gentile,the U.S. would be some sort of God-like martyr because their entire foreign policy is based on that premise
@jp87654 I think saying the Holocaust is more shocking than say the Rwandan genocide is a politically correct way of saying you think it's worse. I agree that high profile people, who have tremendous influence over modern govt + media, which is what the Jews have, attract more attention. But it's not more shocking to me.
@jp87654 Check for my comment not in this thread at bottom too.
But You can't compare Britain's intervention in WW2 to the god awful invasions the US have launched in the last few decades. Britain, and countries like Australia (my 2 countries), needn't have stood up to Nazism, because the Nazis were presenting them with a solution for communism and thought the British racially equal, so didnt want to invade. But the British lost 100000s lives to protect Poland and defy Nazism=righteous gentiles
@trixwiz7 um the nazis wanted to invade GB; and the jews were just scapegoats along with: gypsies, the old and infirmed, mentally ill patients, priests, socialist's, slavs, jehoavah's witnesses', and many more.
@earp1232 I can tell you categorically that the Nazis, or at least Hitler, Goering, etc. originally had no intention of invading GB. This is based on what they've said in private, but more to the point, on their racial pyramid. Hitler considered Britons to be as Aryan, or almost as Aryan, as Germans. And he had the utmost respect for the Royal Family, because he loved aristocracy. Once GB declared war on Germany, things changed. But before that he wanted Anglo-German domination of USSR
Yes, strangely enough Hitler was somewhat of an Anglophile. His fav film was Lancers on the Benegal line. And he admired the British Empire especially its control of India . Since he basically saw it as an example of how a small number of Aryans can dominate a much greater number non-Aryan people.
@calico992 It's very sad that one genocide gets more attention than another, like it's sad we forget atrocities perpetrated by the Allies on innocent Germans/Japanese. I think the Holocaust gets so much attention because so many Jews were so educated as opposed to in Africa, etc. Also it was discovered at the end of the most famous war ever. Also the Germans were so efficient (killing factories?) and did document, it made it scarier. Also Jews wield more influence today than most Africans, etc.
I remember the first time I heard this piece - I almost stopped breathing - felt like my heart was being ripped out - my stomach twisted into knots...it's so beautiful. Still feel the same every time. It's agony but you don't want it to end.
Je fais cette musique en cours de musique !!!
KaytherTV 5 days ago
so evocative and on an upper level. this is music to me. i can imagine gorecki was on an upper spiritual level when writing this.
lewisbarham 2 weeks ago
Hitler also despised the Poles and tried in great earnest to decimate them.... the point is there is no monopoly on suffering and nor should there be a competition as to who has suffered the most (or even who is suffering the most now). I would argue that the suffering of the Holocaust SHOULD be universalised, so that sense of the suffering of Others- both now, before and in perpetuity- will never be forgotten nor our striving to make amends for it ever cease.
And this music is sublime.
djj676 2 weeks ago 4
That's why most of mainland Europe were complicite or turned a blind eye. Most of hitlers ideas came from the eugeniscist movement in America. The problem of the international Jew springs to mind. Author: Henry Ford.
oDubnobasswithmyhead 3 weeks ago
@ ronhelf catholicism created the groundwork for the holocaust, Hitler was contrary to opinion, catholic one the two absolutes of catholicism is persecution of Jews for the death of Christ, and women to suffer pain in childbirth, for the sins of eve not Adam, how do you think so many nazis escaped punishment the catholic church issued them with new birth certificates, hitlers hatred of Jews came from not being accepted into vienese art school to less talented bourgeoisie Jews.
oDubnobasswithmyhead 3 weeks ago
Your vid went viral on Andorra la Vella
reggielittle25 3 weeks ago
Now I so very upset now...
TheWisemonkey8 3 weeks ago
ThatLibretto of this piece is taken from the cell wlall of concentration camp in occupied warsaw were germans usually mordered polish prisoners. Soprano seems for me too big.
rumpelst 1 month ago
GORECKI !!! Poland has produced some of the best composers in the world. Chopin, Paderewski, Rubinstein, Lutoslawski, Komeda, Kilar, Penderecki, Preisner, Rubik, etc. Fantastic music coming from there.
whaddupmf 1 month ago 6
oh would you just shut up and enjoy the music!
McDurh 1 month ago 2
It is quite clear, historically, that Christian anti-Semitism, which began about as soon as Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire and which becomes enshrined in the codes of Theodosius and Justinian, laid the foundations for anti-Semitism in Europe into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Hitler and other Nazi ideologues created a hybrid consisting of Xtian anti-Semitism and racial science with its hierarchical categorisation of humans that gave us the Shoah.
ronhelf 1 month ago
made me cry xxx
bearmanmr 1 month ago 2
If there's such a place as Heaven. I hope Henryk Gorecki is now there. RIP Friend can't believe its been 1 year already.
JONNOG88 2 months ago 3
I came here for Gorecki's 3rd, I had to watch Davina McAll selling fucking shampoo first. Rah Rah fucking Rah...
fuckheadfuckhead 2 months ago
ineffably beautiful and tragic
pauliewalnuts111 2 months ago
In every dark place a candle burns...
PHOENIXIMMORTAL777 2 months ago in playlist GORECKI and other Polish Music of Note
this is so emotive i can't stop crying, its beautiful and really speaks to me x
SupercellBaebe 2 months ago
The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra will be performing this work as well as Colina's The Unbearable Lightness of Being and Three Cabinets of Wonder with Anastasia Khitruk (violin) on 29 Nov. 2011 at Cadogan Hall in London at 19.30 - I'll be there!
MarelizedeBeurs 2 months ago
12.11.2010 this is time when his gone..
futurepoznan 2 months ago
im actually going to cry, that was so touching. ;(
woodywoodfordmazy 2 months ago
To me and others those who died so young will never,ever be forgotten. Others just, would not understand. God save the Queen. Millions of us of a later age are ever ready for the call,and you can bet your bollocks on that.
willietoyboy 2 months ago
Heart-rendingly beautiful, I have always loved this musical agony as I can feel the pain in the notes.
inspiration1able 3 months ago 2
"In prison, the whole wall was covered with inscriptions screaming out loud: 'I'm innocent', 'Murderers', 'Executioners', 'Free me', 'You have to save me. Adults were writing this, while here it is an eighteen-year-old girl. And she is so different. She does not despair, does not cry, does not scream for revenge. She does not think about herself; whether she deserves her fate or not. Instead, she only thinks about her mother: because it is her mother who will experience true despair.
cronosqc 3 months ago 23
@cronosqc Well, I'm not really sure she sings about her mother. Rather Virgin Marry and called her "mother" (which is very much in polish traditions). so beatiful, so moving...
okowykol87 6 days ago
I was crying this whole video. The composition and the singer were wonderful. It breaks my heart, though, that humans could do what was done at Auschwitz, slavery to Africans, and even do continue such horrors today, though on a smaller scale (Bosnia, Taliban & Al-Queda terrorists, etc.). When will we evolve overall as a race? Remember, though, that “All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
ElegantMinimalist 3 months ago
very emotional song, it moves my soul
panDolek 3 months ago
A more powerful reminder of the holocaust than any history book or film. Perhaps one of the most important pieces of music written in the past century.
Landscapistry 3 months ago
@Landscapistry
Agree.
whiskerchild 1 month ago
I can't stop crying, this has touched my heart.
chloelizlothario 3 months ago 2
Beautiful, haunting introduction as the rain falls. Reminds me of an unrequited love for a woman at my college that I will never forget. Although it was sad she changed my life for the better and it has taken new directions. Every time I hear this start to the symphony I will never forget her and what might have been....
lecturer09 3 months ago
Wow, powerful stuff.
dexorcist 3 months ago
@RedBankKid gingers?
meNtor890 3 months ago
Not a church, not a ideology, not a political regimes heart peoples. Always men heart men! Every day, every where... Both - hell & heaven are inside. we bring them out.
MidgetPigeons 4 months ago
I remember seeing this programme in 2005 and this song in particular touched my soul. I have been looking ever since to find a copy and have just ordered a copy of the DVD from the Auchwitz Museum.
Regligions, armies and/or countries don't make war, human beings do. Primo Levi said it was not a case of where was God during Auchwitz, it was a case of where was man during Auchwitz?. Individual human beings create war and misery, whatever cause they might purport to implement it in.
lkofron 4 months ago
@ whaddupmf - The Catholic Church had A LOT to do with Holocaust - worked two thousand years on it!!! I know some people still believe the world is flat or that Jews killed Jesus - it is all the same. Denying facts does not hurt facts but people in the end :(
grzymol 4 months ago
@RedBankKid 32 now...
ajaoan 4 months ago
Hitler used Christianity as a tool in early speeches, but ultimately planned on wiping out all religion after the final victory.
Thunderlips502 4 months ago
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."- Adolf Hitler (just saying)
Thunderlips502 4 months ago
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123jsbach 4 months ago
The sheer sense of sorrow that comes through this is overwhelming. We should always remember Auschwitz because, as one old veteran said, if we don't remember it, it will be so, so easy to let it happen again.
ivorlottandtonybroke 4 months ago in playlist ivorlottandtonybroke's Favourited Videos
After having recently visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, I believe it right to retain the German name. The very language of Polish should not be besmirched by this horror. The greatest of Germans feel only lacerating guilt for no reason. This generation did not commit these, the grossest of wrongs. Those that did would feel nothing of the import and affect of this gorgeously tragic music. It is our task never to forget and always to receive this music as it is - nourishment and solace.
MrParacelsus12345 4 months ago
Hitler may have been nominally Christian. Christianity requires a relationship w/ Christ. Jesus would not condone the murder of millions for a pure race. Jesus did not mention races, and all are equal in the eyes of the Christian God. Life is also sacred b/c it was given by God. Hitler and many other were eugenists, a popular scientific movement at the turn of the century. Many in this movement have sought to divide church and science to drive their own secular humanistic beliefs.
sweetpotatopieful 4 months ago
really -it is about the music,the sentiments are there. We are not stupid -.-
lmlOoOlml 4 months ago
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This comment at MondoWeiss brought me to this video:
"Israel is a state established by a group of Polish Jews who escaped this"
What I’ve witnessed on the West Bank
by Jdledell
"I have witnessed enough unnecessary violence and degradation by Jews in the West Bank to fill a very large book. I have seen IDF soldiers at a check point pissing on Palestinian shoes. In this instance, the Palestinian man tried to take a swing at the soldier who merely stepped back and shot the man in the chest."
optimistsRUS 4 months ago
This comment at MondoWeiss brought me to this video:
"Israel is a state established by a group of Polish Jews who escaped this"
What I’ve witnessed on the West Bank
by Jdledell
"I have witnessed enough unnecessary violence and degradation by Jews in the West Bank to fill a very large book. I have seen IDF soldiers at a check point pissing on Palestinian shoes. In this instance, the Palestinian man tried to take a swing at the soldier who merely stepped back and shot the man in the chest."
optimistsRUS 4 months ago
amazing- but could anyone tell me while the words seem to addressing seemingly Christian or Roman Catholic figures?
Massev6871 4 months ago
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croynadebuseny 4 months ago
@croynadebuseny My country was an ally to nazi germany? Hitler wasnt religious? HOLY SHIT DUDE, you need to seriously do some real research outside of what the church wants you to believe. Hitler was Christian and wanted a pure race because of his religious beliefs. America was one of the main countries that went against Germany in WW2. You need some education, kid. Some REAL education.
aepceo1 4 months ago
@aepceo1
Hitler's crimes were motivated not by Christianity but by Malthusianism.
GCarty80 4 months ago
3agleChick11... well spoken, beautiful music, sad matter...
spikehugg 4 months ago
Some music is made to capture your heart. This captures you, heart, mind, body and soul. Thank you Gorecki for sharing something so beautiful with the world.
3agleChick11 4 months ago 2
Always makes me sad listening to this, but I love it.
AtomWire 4 months ago
one of the most importan posts ever Thank you for the tears - may they fall and heal - ... this is moving - very potent - let the Ghost Go Free - as I think of September 11th and all the Death Camps and those that suffer - May a Healing Balm come.. PLEASE...please xxx
bearmanmr 5 months ago
emotive. moving. brilliant.
BabylonAGoGo 5 months ago
Is it possible to buy this entire video somewhere?
tcolkett 5 months ago
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MelissaSevern 5 months ago
It's so beutifull.. oh my god I'm crying!!
Really I like so much!!
solau9 5 months ago
czytałem o niej Hanna Czenicka jej curka zyje i i jest zagozalom aktywistkom w londynie
Damiano151521 5 months ago
It's not about Catholics, Jews, Poles, Germans, Nazis or whatever. Gorecki, from what I've read, said that this was about the objectivity of human suffering, human loss. Don't politicize something which speaks to the very core of every human being. This is neither a religious nor political piece; It is human.
CatinShackles 5 months ago 58
@CatinShackles This is a great comment. Thank you.
stevetadworkz 5 months ago
@CatinShackles your comment is obviously an educated one, however i would question the want to depoliticize great art. if the human soul becomes separated from politics, religion or any other form of expression and discourse, then it becomes purely aesthetic. the soul must lie in human experience, and that is why, (in my opinion) you can't separate politics from art, to do so renders it as entertainment, and this goes deeper than that.
ooooooooser 5 months ago 2
@ooooooooser I don't necessarily think that great art should be depoliticized. But politics and religion are merely symptoms of the human condition. I think this music skips that nonsense. It bypasses Religion and politics, and attacks us at our spiritual core. When you listen to this particular piece, do you ponder politics, or do you react emotionally, at a fundamental, unknowable level? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have to think and philosophize to be moved by this music.
CatinShackles 5 months ago 2
exactly
bobaymix 5 months ago
@CatinShackles good reply!
ooooooooser 2 months ago
@CatinShackles
Yes it is human, and in this one instance, its humanity is applied to a context involving the Holocaust.
What, exactly, is wrong with that?
terratrema 3 months ago
@CatinShackles No. Its rebellion against God's law. Thats what it is. Its the depravity of man and the foolishness of humanism. Its the expression of the need of conformity to our creator. Thats what it is.
psycofloyd 2 months ago
@CatinShackles I agree. People Need to be more human and less politician or religious. Human feelings are above politics and religion. If only people understood that, life on earth would be much better.
POsE1DoN87 1 month ago
@CatinShackles
I agree with you, but don't universalize it so much that you take it away from the Jews, as so many people have tried to do. Some people try to erase Jews from everything.
Remember, they did the bulk of the dying.
I am not accusing you of that however; I'm merely pointing it out for all to know.
whiskerchild 1 month ago
@CatinShackles
I'm sorry, but it's very much about religion- 6 million of a certain religion got slaughtered here for it- don't try to erase that.
whiskerchild 1 month ago
@whiskerchild Hey whiskerchild palestinians are getting slaughtered every day, Iraqi people are people killed each day by the west. Somalians are slaughtering each other. Jewish were slaughtered and noone should forget but my dear try to remember the here and now and don't give precedence to one death over another. This song is for suffering and as said well by Catlinshackles- it is about Human Despair don't pigeon hole it. Open up.
uggybigboots 1 month ago 10
@uggybigboots
Uhhh, trying to take it away from the Jews again, are we?
SIX MILLION, THAT IS TWO THIRDS OF EUROPEAN JEWRY DIED THERE. Oh, they were "opened up" alright.
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" - look it up; it's a political term made by enemies of Jews. That area, Palestine, was part of the Ottoman empire, & the whole area had Arabs & Jews. They couldn't stand it that Jews won their war in 1948. They've been calling themsevles "Palestinians" ever since.
whiskerchild 1 month ago
@whiskerchild This is sad. Read Maus. Noone is denying suffering. You are not alone in it however. See the reality. Peace out.
uggybigboots 1 month ago
Dear Kabewest,
Dont spread misinformations, dont manipulate. Only anger probably dwell in your soul/mind. Polish Catholic church were nothing in common with Nazi-Germans.
Nazi-Germans killed almost 6.000.000 Poles, and similar number of Jewish (half of them were Polish - Jewish). Thousands of Jewish people in Poland was saved by Polish Catholics Church or Poles. In Auschwitz died 75000 Pols.
ziemowitzima 6 months ago
@ziemowitzima : Actually the number of Polish Catholics who died at Auschwitz were 140,000.
whaddupmf 4 months ago
This entire video was extremely well done. The performance, composition, all of it.
zenmachinefilms 6 months ago
"Queen of Heaven" ? The Catholic church were arm in arm with the Germans from strart to finish. The Holocaust could not have occured without the Church`s willing blessing. Priests accompanied the Nazi`s throughout and gave them 'absulution` at the end.
Gorecki`s music is wonderful. Lets not fall ourselves with these lyrics.It was Hiel Mary and Hitler. Shame but the bitterness and antisemitism still continues.
kabewest 6 months ago
@kabewest
that doesnt mean that some catholics wernt persecuted. and the catholic church are not the only ones who put faith in mary and have prayes stating "hail mary full of grace. Queen of heaven"
howling2nite10 6 months ago
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@kabewest
Dear Kabewest,
Dont spread misinformations, dont manipulate. Only anger probably dwell in your soul/mind. Polish Catholic church were nothing in common with Nazi-Germans.
Nazi-Germans killed almost 6.000.000 Poles, and similar number of Jewish (half of them were Polish - Jewish). Thousands of Jewish people in Poland was saved by Polish Catholics Church or Poles. In Auschwitz died 75000 Pols.
ziemowitzima 6 months ago
@kabewest
Read some good historic books, memories, interviews, then think, and at the very end say or write.
Catholic (not only) priests were shot, killed and sent to death camps without any judgement. For helping Germans? Or maybe for helping Russians?
spiritof44 6 months ago
@kabewest : Stop spreading stupidities. The Catholic Church had nothing to do with the Holocaust. You're just a revisionist !!!
whaddupmf 4 months ago
czy to jest po polsku??
nevermint1 6 months ago in playlist spokojne
@nevermint1 Niedosłyszący, czy ignorant? Oczywiście, że po polsku.
CrazYIwaN666 6 months ago
@nevermint1 tak to jest po polsku ale nie śpiewa tego Polka stąd taki akcent.
irish231985 5 months ago
Hauntingly beautiful.
jabariabramson 6 months ago
This has got to be the best recording and videoof this I have seen. It has so much emotion embedded in the singing and video. I don't cry often but this does it for me.
My heart goes out to the people who lost their lives in those times. Hopefully things have changed, but I doubt it. Even now there are lives lost though differences in religion and culture. Man;s inhumanity to man
cheveyo100 6 months ago
An 18 year old girl should be thoughtless and having fun with friends, not waiting to die in a place like that.
laspilly 6 months ago 35
@laspilly Whoa, hold on a second. Thoughtless?
clamburgler 4 months ago
@clamburgler Yes. With no worries I mean.
laspilly 4 months ago
@laspilly yep...thats the horror of war and grandeur
mojopin70 4 months ago
@laspilly thoughtless? you must be an american
AngelBiLove 2 months ago
@AngelBiLove No, actually I'm half Italian and half British.
laspilly 2 months ago
@laspilly Then you do no credit to either of your countries. For if you think anyone should be thoughtless and reckless, as you do, you deserve to be in the category of that most foul and lowest of filthy creatures, the lurid, licentious and vilest of all the walking dirt; the ignorant or americans.
AngelBiLove 2 months ago
@AngelBiLove I'm afraid you misunderstood my comment and I'm sure that other youtubers have got what I meant to say.
laspilly 2 months ago
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Uenoeki54 6 months ago
Hauntingly beautiful music, but such a sad sad story, especially as it is true...
dercarsus 6 months ago
This tune always puts a lump in my throat, amazing song
Smithy1049 6 months ago
Humanity is beautiful and kind yet brutal and cruel.
davejb23 6 months ago
Awesome! love it....
doubleoroos 7 months ago
Lovely song for a people who met evil in its worst form--Nazis who wanted to wrap the world in barbed wire. Beautiful song for a beautiful people.
odovicor 7 months ago
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Uenoeki54 6 months ago
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@odovicor Nazis werent evil. Hitler was right. All german people loved him and he loved germans. Adolf the great was savior of europe, people like you who have mind poisoned by jewish lies will never understand. Heil Hitler, our eternal führer.
Uenoeki54 6 months ago
Henryk Mikolaj Gorecki passed away? He is in heaven now .. not playing any 'sorrowful' music ... Thank you (dziikuje) Henryk !
kksd2 7 months ago
He was a man of God, a true Catholic.
agvis1 7 months ago
This will be my funeral music.
deepcut66 7 months ago
Simply amazing.
Goregrind777 7 months ago
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what an extremely touching piece.
what an incredibly amazing soprano.
thanks so much for posting.
HappyLuckyGlad 7 months ago
what a extremely touching piece.
what an incredibly amazing soprano.
thanks so much for posting.
HappyLuckyGlad 7 months ago
IT is so easy to depersonalise people by using a collective name,but the people who died in the death camps were children.women and men they had names,they were loved by family and friends,the children had shoes and socks and coats on when they were put into the camps just like children in every other part of the western world and toys and fears.I will not do this again or listen to the music,which is beautiful,but which tears me apart,how could such amonstrous things happen to any human being
21katybug 7 months ago
I read accounts in American newspapers of people throughout Europe pulling their cars off to the sides of the road over come with emotion in Germany when they first heard Gorecki’s Symphony No. 3 being played over the FM radio after its release. I first heard it as the soundtrack of the movie Fearless starring Jeff Bridges, as an airplane he was on was crashig, and he ultimately survived. Such a beautiful symphony - i can't help but get tears in my eyes when i hear it.....
LiberTBo 7 months ago
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PleaseGoAway1000 7 months ago
Panie Górecki, będzie nam Pana naprawdę brakować!
Mr Górecki, we will really miss you!
Sayi2 8 months ago
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Sayi2 8 months ago
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
Tobermaury101 8 months ago
Such beauty, from such ugliness. Phoenix-like. God bless their souls.
aledw 8 months ago
REEM!!!!
12dankingers34 8 months ago
This is such a moving song , it always makes me cry .
fafafini 8 months ago
Song is beautiful but europeans DON'T learn.
See the fascists in Finland and Austria, see Lepen in France, see the financial crisis provoked from the Banks making worker slaves in all the countries, giving poverty to Greece and Portugal, the FMI, the Economic European Union, all of us using the language of England and not Esperanto, the Berlusconni, the spanish fascism against Basque Country... EUROPE RISE UP!!!! LEARN FROM THE PAST!!!!!
joancatala 8 months ago
@joancatala Avoid ruining the musical experience with your nonsensical ranting.
corporate88slave 8 months ago
@corporate88slave Amen to that.
Tobermaury101 8 months ago
@corporate88slave You put the only nonsensical comment, because you didn't understand my post. And it was very clear....
joancatala 7 months ago
@joancatala I never commented on your English abilities. It is your mind that is not clear or even worse your intent that is not honest.
corporate88slave 7 months ago
@corporate88slave English is not my language. I speak catalan, french, spanish, esperanto, polish and a bit of czech. There are 6.000 languages in the world.
Do you mean you want the english should be known by everybody as Hitler wanted the german for everybody?
Are you telling me this?
joancatala 7 months ago
@joancatala My mother tounge is Swedish and with a few beers it turns into Danish and Norwegian.
But this is not interesting. Because I never mentioned or question your English skills before you did.
corporate88slave 7 months ago
@corporate88slave hahahahaha XD I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. My horrible English sometimes is disgusting :-)
joancatala 7 months ago
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PleaseGoAway1000 7 months ago 2
@joancatala
What!! stop polluting the internet with your ignorance and bigotry and take your crackpot nonsenicle rantings elsewhere.
JONNOG88 7 months ago
@JONNOG88 Why my comment is "pollution"? because you didn't like it?... I'm sorry for you. My comment is MY opinion and it explained very well a real situation than is happening now in Europe and in the world.
joancatala 7 months ago
@joancatala Excellent post. Not to mention that a recent poll showd 50% of Spaniards had an unfavorable view towards Jews. Goog to see there is opposition to growing hatred throughout Europe. Fight on. From America.
jp87654 7 months ago
I remember seeing this on tv, tears all over, about 6 years ago and I've thought about it now and then ever since. I'm so glad I found it again. It really moves your heart.
BooxsRox 8 months ago
i heard this for the first time last night, i've played it pretty much non-stop since. a perfect piece of emotive music.
fixuplooksharp66 8 months ago
@jp87654 it is interesting, how you used everything suitable to describe someone like yourself... how can you not see the facts
try to open your eyes a little bit and allow your love to whatever in life blind you this much... research a little bit -if you really do not want to be so childish and ignorant- and you will find for yourself
aritasIII 9 months ago
@aritasIII I've seen the facts. I've been to Israel 5 times. I've been to Gaza - in an armored vehicle. I know first hand, what is going on, and I can tell you, comparing Israel to the Nazis is outrageous. I go to Northwestern University, one of the top schools in the world. I had two Palestinians stay in my dorm room. I talked to them. I know the facts. Both sides have done wrong. The fact of the matter is, I can practice any religion I want in Israel. In Arab countries, women can't even walk..
jp87654 7 months ago 2
@jp87654 ..the streets alone. If they cheat on their husbands, they are stoned to death. Gays are murdered. Israel has done some wrongdoing, but the fact is, they promote the ideals of democracy and liberty that I stand for. The Palestinians don't. Suicide bombings? C'mon, seriously. I feel for some Palestinians, but until they stop supporting Hamas and Hezbollah, and until they recognize the mere fact that Israel has a right to exist, no progress will be made.
jp87654 7 months ago 2
How this could bring out the anti-semites is beyond me.
JRobbySh 9 months ago
@JRobbySh anything brings out anti-Semites.
jp87654 9 months ago
@jp87654 You mean like the ants you encounter when you weed your flowerbed? These people. As if the murder of a single righteous man were not something that cries to heaven for justice.
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PleaseGoAway1000 7 months ago
Gorecki's haunting composition, exquisitely performed by Isabel Bayrakdarian. (See her "Joyous Light" cd for more, sheer beauty.)
elvisgospel77 9 months ago
If this does not bring tears to your eyes - I don't know what will. To this day, this portion of Gorecki's moves my heart. I cannot listen to this much longer because I break down .....
MrChristian326 9 months ago
I played this to my Creative Writing class......fucking wasted on them!!! How could you not be moved by this? No soul, if that is the case. T_T
jamesaellis 9 months ago
truly sad and touching.. but it makes it even harder for me to understand how a nation that had lived somthing as horrible as the Nazi holocaust, could be able to practice atrocities nearly matching those of the nazis against others!
aritasIII 9 months ago
@aritasIII comparing Israel to Nazis is childish and completely unmerited and requires ignorance and stupidity
jp87654 9 months ago
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JONNOG88 8 months ago
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anggeilbabe67ist 9 months ago
Holocaust: 3-10 million, most estimates guess around 6 million.
Congolese tragedy 10 million plus. Who here knows anything about what happened in the Congo when the europeans left? Go research it!
calico992 9 months ago
Really beautiful
primaveraensaloniki 9 months ago
after listening to this i would think we had chased all the monsters away but no they are still here with us.
jensonee 9 months ago
It's important to be aware that, although the symphony was associated to the Jewish Holocaust by the public and media, Gorécki didn't write it about it. In fact, if he wrote it about anything at all, it would be about mothers (he dedicated it to his wife, the mother of his children), since his mother died when he was only two, and he had this special affection to that subject all through is life and work. In fact, not even the text was written by a Jewish girl. Notice the line "Ave Maria."
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yyesptnm 9 months ago
This is a piece which represents the rawest level of sadness and agony. Never before have I been so moved by a piece of music than when i heard this music. Henryk Gorecki, you are amazing. Thank you for making this as a reminder of what true sadness is and may you rest in peace.
kidbe864 9 months ago
brings tears to my eyes.
jensonee 9 months ago
I'm so proud he was Polish... Great music... Rest in Peace
MrDiabeu 9 months ago
The only thing i can say is .......HOLY CRAP!!
MetalheadMr666 9 months ago
Very well done video..Thank You for this upload..Bless those who lost there lives in Auschwitz!
Midnightryder7 9 months ago
I grow so tired of the suffering in this world.
prozack711 10 months ago
It fascinates me this obsession the Western World has with the terrible holocaust.
What I find so interesting is that many people who know of Nazi Germany 1938-1944 know nothing of Pol Pots Cambodia Idi Amin's Uganda,Rwanda, Yugoslavia etc. Why, do these all more recent atrocities,receive far less attention than what happened in Europe in the 40's? Can anyone answer?
calico992 10 months ago
@calico992 A lot of the atrocities that happened in Nazi Germany were filmed, so the general public is shocked and saddened by these videos whereas the other crimes you listed were only photographed. The media ate up what happened in Nazi Germany because it was very well documented. In Cambodia, Uganda, Rwanda, etc the crimes were mostly against the poor who weren't as quick to write down what happened. Personally as Serb it saddens me that so few in America know who about who the Ustase were.
Lazo089 10 months ago
@Lazo089
Exactly! But why is it so well documented? We have 1 movie on cambodia, 2 movies on Idi Amin, 1 movie on Rwanda, 6,000 movies on the holocaust. Next time some one says the name hitler, interrupt them and say: do you know who Pol Pot is? I bet 1 in 5 can answer
calico992 9 months ago
@calico992 I disagree. I think most well-versed in the Holocaust knows about these atrocities as well. Numbers shouldn't be used to undercut, but 11 million were killed in Holocaust - to my knowledge more than in rwanda, cambodia etc.Also, the Holocaust took place in the western world. The Jews in Europe were major contributors in art, politics, sports,etc. Then totally wiped out in the blink of an eye. In that effect, it was like no other act of genocide. Still, all should be given attention
jp87654 9 months ago
@jp87654 My understanding was that around 6 million were killed in the Holocaust. But almost 1 million were killed in Rwanda in the matter of a few months, I think that gives the Nazi Holocaust a run for its money
Also anyone who fought for the British Empire/USA should be considered among the "righteous gentiles" like the Polish/French resistance. The British Empire need never have entered the war, Hitler considered Britons "racially equal" & didn't want war, but Britain knew what was right...
trixwiz7 9 months ago
@trixwiz7 We shouldn't be comparing the brutality of different genocides. they're all evil, ugly, inhumane. I'm just trying to illustrate why the holocaust receives more fascination - because it took place in a modern, western country. The people who were killed weren't povertized, lower-class people. These people were olympic athletes, politicians, musicians, artists. I think that's what fascinates people about the Holocaust. And Britain, btw, almost let it all happen
jp87654 9 months ago
@jp87654 Yes I mostly agree. It was because the victims of the Nazi Holocaust were higher profile than most Africans, etc. From the last 50 years till today, Jews exercise more influence over the world (govt & media) than most Rwandans, for instance.
But it shouldn't matter how successful or smart someone is, all people are equal and other genocides should get as much attention.
Britain (& her Empire) did stop Nazism, not in her interests but humanity's, so they are righteous gentiles too
trixwiz7 9 months ago
@trixwiz7 I'm not saying anyone deserves more attention.Just saying that when someone high profile dies, people notice. when a low-profile person dies, people don't notice.What's more shocking about the Holocaust is never before have I heard of so many influential people being slaughtered.Doesn't make them more important, just more shocking.And if you consider Britain a righteous gentile,the U.S. would be some sort of God-like martyr because their entire foreign policy is based on that premise
jp87654 9 months ago
@jp87654 I think saying the Holocaust is more shocking than say the Rwandan genocide is a politically correct way of saying you think it's worse. I agree that high profile people, who have tremendous influence over modern govt + media, which is what the Jews have, attract more attention. But it's not more shocking to me.
trixwiz7 9 months ago
@jp87654 Check for my comment not in this thread at bottom too.
But You can't compare Britain's intervention in WW2 to the god awful invasions the US have launched in the last few decades. Britain, and countries like Australia (my 2 countries), needn't have stood up to Nazism, because the Nazis were presenting them with a solution for communism and thought the British racially equal, so didnt want to invade. But the British lost 100000s lives to protect Poland and defy Nazism=righteous gentiles
trixwiz7 9 months ago
@trixwiz7 um the nazis wanted to invade GB; and the jews were just scapegoats along with: gypsies, the old and infirmed, mentally ill patients, priests, socialist's, slavs, jehoavah's witnesses', and many more.
earp1232 8 months ago
@earp1232 I can tell you categorically that the Nazis, or at least Hitler, Goering, etc. originally had no intention of invading GB. This is based on what they've said in private, but more to the point, on their racial pyramid. Hitler considered Britons to be as Aryan, or almost as Aryan, as Germans. And he had the utmost respect for the Royal Family, because he loved aristocracy. Once GB declared war on Germany, things changed. But before that he wanted Anglo-German domination of USSR
trixwiz7 8 months ago
@trixwiz7
Yes, strangely enough Hitler was somewhat of an Anglophile. His fav film was Lancers on the Benegal line. And he admired the British Empire especially its control of India . Since he basically saw it as an example of how a small number of Aryans can dominate a much greater number non-Aryan people.
JONNOG88 8 months ago
@calico992 It's very sad that one genocide gets more attention than another, like it's sad we forget atrocities perpetrated by the Allies on innocent Germans/Japanese. I think the Holocaust gets so much attention because so many Jews were so educated as opposed to in Africa, etc. Also it was discovered at the end of the most famous war ever. Also the Germans were so efficient (killing factories?) and did document, it made it scarier. Also Jews wield more influence today than most Africans, etc.
trixwiz7 9 months ago
I remember the first time I heard this piece - I almost stopped breathing - felt like my heart was being ripped out - my stomach twisted into knots...it's so beautiful. Still feel the same every time. It's agony but you don't want it to end.
WWJDLove 10 months ago