So, what do all us other religions and cultures and non-religious, who arrived in America since its foundation, do now? What do all those who decide christianity is not for them do now? None of us are remotely interested in your religion or its eternal threats, and never will be.
How does coming on to youtube with a video such as this serve to unify us a one country, with acceptance of all others, be they a different religion or atheist or anything in between.
You're correct only in the title of this post, we are currently a Christian nation, although unconstitutionally. The US constitution is suppose to be the supreme law of the USA. Now in the US constitution is the Est. Clause which is meant to prohibit the preference by the US government of one religion over another. In this day an age it's pretty much political suicide to admit being anything other than Christian. Christianity only really took off in the US after the civil war to promote unity.
Many of these political leaders were great men (By the world’s standard), but they held to a Deistic, Unitarian, Masonic belief of a "Supreme Architect", while denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, the Trinity and many other essential teachings of Christianity.
The history of Christianity in America is real and doesn't need to be fabricated by misrepresentation of historical facts. The column of the political establishment, past and present, are by-and-large unchristian.
Continued - The Pilgrims were a courageous group of people, which passed on a wonderful legacy to subsequent generations of Americans. One being that of the world’s greatest group of Christian evangelistic in history. This column of American history is indeed Christian. The column of political leaders, which are so well known to most Americans, were often far from being Christian. Please don’t believe me, do you own research. - Continued on next post -
The fact is many of the key leaders of the [political] establishment of the United States: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, were not believers in Jesus Christ and didn't accept the orthodox teachings of Biblical Christianity (The Virgin birth of Christ, Jesus’ Resurrection, Substitutionary Atonement, etc).
The true founders of America, the Pilgrims, were indeed Christian.
We are a secular nation. I don't see how secularism hurts Christianity anyway. Christianity spread through the Roman Empire despite persecution. As long as we are free to worship, free to share our faith with those in need, who cares if some fake politician claims to be Christian. A lot of people CLAIM to be Christian but aren't. I can't see this being a big deal.
@1105Chance If anything, secularism helps Christianity because it means leaving it alone. What hurts Christianity is science education & critical thinking skills.
@Kllgg Science does not hurt Christianity. There are over 50 Nobel Laureates of Science, MOST OF THEM GIANTS IN PHYSICS that were Christian or Jewish. Francis Bacon developed the Scientific method. The biggest delusional myth of atheists is that they try to lay claim to science, when in fact they don't have a claim on it. Further, most atheists that I have heard make such a silly claim weren't even knowledgeable about science or they didn't get good grades or they never even STUDIED IT!
@1105Chance Science has been making religions obsolete for thousands of years. There's a reason people no longer believe the sun pulled across the sky by Apollo. What reason do you have to think your religion is any different?
@Kllgg Science has been making religious belief obsolete for thousands of years? You pulled that one out of your ass. We often say "the sun sets" when we know it doesn't. Even other scientists were skeptical of Copernicus. If you weren't born in modern times it would appear to you that the sun moved as well. For a long time we didn't have the technology to prove otherwise. Science is wonderful. I love science. But Jesus never said the sun moved did he? You made no point, just rhetoric.
@1105Chance Yes, thousands of years. I'm not sure how you get that I pulled it out of my ass when I followed it with a perfect example. The Greeks believed the sun was pulled across the sky by one of their gods. Science eventually proved that wrong. Now no one believes in those gods. It's not that complicated, so your confusion here is bizarre.
"But Jesus never said the sun moved did he?" Nope, he didn't. Maybe that's why I never claimed he did.
@Kllgg No, your statement that science education threatened Christianity was bizarre (and erroneous) and I proved it. We were talking about Christianity, not the ancient Greeks. Paganism did not die out because of Copernicus! Your history is bizarre. You made a stupid statement about science and critical thought and I listed giants that easily surpass you and I and yet they were religious. So you couldn't back up your point substantively about Science and Christianity or critical thinking. Done
@1105Chance Yup, you were talking about Christianity & not the Greeks. That's why I said science threatens Christianity specifically, instead of saying it threatens all deity based religions (which it does). I brought up the Greeks as an example. I'm not sure why it made your head explode. It's a very simple concept.
@Kllgg Oh and I can add Galileo to the list of Christian giants of science. He was at odds with the Pope, but he never stopped being a Christian. So what you are saying is that because atheism is in vogue with scientists (and represents who gets funding) that none of the actual GIANTS of science mean anything, only your precious and mediocre Richard Dawkins. Please spare me because everything you say I have heard before. Religion and science need not be mutually exclusive. And you're neither.
@Kllgg You couldn't respond to the Nobel Laureates and your bigoted statement. I knew you would move on to just some other rhetorical comment without being able to say anything substantive. I am not going to have some tired cliche debate. It's all been said on Youtube. You think you're more enlightened than other people...the world is full of those types. Nothing original in that. Nothing enlightened. Just vanity. The need to feel superior or more enlightened when you are not.
@Kllgg Dr. Francis Collins, headed the Human Genome Project. He mapped disease genes. He was an atheist but converted to Christian, it made him no less a diligent scientist. Isaac Newton was a Christian and was a giant in physics. So who are YOU? Science only hurts creationists. Most Christians are NOT creationists. St. Augustine was criticizing them back in the 400s. AD
@Kllgg So Max Planck, Werner Heisenberg, Schodinger, Milliken, Townes, Schawlow, William Phillips, Sir William Bragg, Marconi, Compton, Penzias,Carrell...and the list goes on...ALL GIANTS OF PHYSICS, but you think they were threatened by science and lacked critical thinking skills? I think you lack critical thinking skills!
@1105Chance I was talking about religions themselves, not individual follows of those religions. Apples & oranges. The religions of individual scientists are irrelevant. The net effect of science, including theirs, is to disprove religions & make them obsolete. It's already documented in our history, and I've provided you the perfect example of it. If you choose to be obtuse about it, that's your problem.
@Kllgg Your just stating your opinion of what you want science to be. Science just explains "how". It does not disprove belief in God. You implied that science education and critical thinking would "hurt" Christianity. YOUR WORDS. I proved that statement to be erroneous. If anyone is being deflective and obtuse it's you. Your statements are opinions. All of the scientists I listed would disagree with you about the "net effect of science'. Other than creationists, Christians believe in science.
@Kllgg So you don't know history either. Greek mythology gave way to Roman mythology and paganism which gave way to Christianity via Constantine. The worship of Apollo died out centuries before Copernicus presented his beliefs about the solar system. So the paganism belief did not die because of science, it DIED OUT. I have to go. I can't spend my night with you babbling and refusing to respond to the point I made about scientists and critical thinking. You just made an erroneous biased remark.
@Kllgg And your still running away with Apollo because your original comment about Christianity was shit! I have to go, there's life beyond Youtube. Only atheists come here to die.
@1105Chance Well, since the very simple example of Apollo is apparently too much for you, the next best way to prove me right is to apply science to Christianity. I guarantee you none of the scientists you listed would dare do that. You can be a respected scientist in a field unrelated to your religion. It's called compartmentalization. Get any one of them to look at their religion scientifically & see what happens.
The founding fore fathers were deist & pagans. Go visit any of their grave yards. Do you find any crosses on any of their grave sites?? NO you wont. google PAGAN AMERICA check the first link. Our government has been hijacked by zionism
@BigLundi I don't care about the beliefs of the founding fathers. I like the freedom to worship as I please, and I love the freedom for people not to worship if they do not believe.
I believe in tolerance, not constant bickering and petty insults. This guy turned out to be conservative although I like some of his posts, but our country was set up so it would not be a theocracy. So in that sense, it does not matter what the founding fathers believed as long as they believed in liberty!
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All I need is Jeeeesus, but Santa Claus is what I want.
He has a heavy focus on the notion that Separation's purpose is to protect the Church from the State. He's half right. But he ignores the other half. Letting Church influence State runs the risk of the reverse happening.
@Kllgg I am Christian and I don't WANT the churches influencing the government too much. I mean, when they stood up for civil rights etc. that's fine. But when religions try to get like a theocracy (like the Mormons did in California) it scares me. I worship privately and I don't force anyone to believe what I believe nor do I try to cram it down their throat. But I am a Lutheran and our particular type (ELCA) is liberal and tolerant. More than tolerant, they are respectful.
The very first thing said in this video is a strawman. No one makes such claims. Refuting what was never said is quite easy, but also quite dishonest.
In the very same breath as the suggestion research the claim is the implication that much of material available should be avoided. Would someone confident in their claim be afraid of people reviewing everything available?
@BuffyGracie All were prompted by your comments first "Read my post", "I think you just contradicted yourself", "you little fantasy world", and your interpretation of the 1st Amendment is erroneous, too bad. And claiming to be "attacked". If an Islamofascists in their country were to find out what you were, they'd kill you. They see atheism, agnosticism, as the worst form of infidel, so be thankful a true Christian would never do that. :)
@Tsuruta1 "Be thankful a true christian won't do that" Ahhh yes, I know a christian wouldn't do that, no, you guys prefer your GOD to do that.
Yes, Islamofascists in Saud Arabia might persecute atheists directly, but you christians are far more conniving...yes, you just sit, and smile, and say, "It doesn't matter how much more sense they seem to make, I know God will burn them in hell, and I'll get to watch."
@BigLundi I never think about hell. Jesus says that evil people will be "pushed into outer darkness". Most Christians do not believe that the fire is hell, it is a metaphysical self-purgatorial separation from God. So in general, we believe that people just die and it goes dark. We believe that some (whom only Christ choses) will live again. Since I came into this life with no effort of my own, I don't see it outlandish to believe in a new heaven and a new earth.
@1105Chance "Most christians do not believe that the fire is hell" You are in absolutely NO stance to say that.
And even then, you are aware that you're being rewarded fro believing, and I'm being punished for not believing right? You're getting something that I'm being denied...purely based off of whether or not you or I believe.
@BigLundi We believe that all will be judged according to His deeds. "He will come again to judge the living and the dead". As for your comment about Hell, I most certainly can say that. The idea of fire and brimstone is just some allegory. Only fanatics take it seriously. Most mainline churches define hell as the complete separation from God, which is DEATH. You believe you just die, so no biggy.
@1105Chance Strange, what about Jesus saying the only path to heaven is through him? Don't get me wrong your more liberal view of christianity is certainly better than most, but you can't sit there and say, "We believe" something not every christian believes. you aren't in the place to do that.
@BigLundi I believe that God has strengthened me in my life to get through horrible traumatic events, I pray for strength not for jobs, money, houses. So if you are saying I think I get something out of it, yes I do. Do I think I am necessarily going to heaven? No I don't. I don't make that decision. Obviously if someone believes in God (and Christ) we believe we are blessed to have a loving God. That doesn't mean "selfish motives" if that's what you're trying to imply.
@BigLundi And you're wrong. MOST CHRISTIANS DO NOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE BURNS IN FIRE FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. Some will live again, some won't. It's often overlooked that in Revelations when it talks of being thrown into a lake of fire (apocalyptic writing is heavy in metaphors and symbolism) he mentions "Destroyers of the Earth" among that group. I always thought that interesting. Perhaps the environment isn't meant to be raped and bombed.
@1105Chance "Most christians do not believe that someone burns in fire for all eternity" Please provide me a source for that, otherwise, keep that opinion to yourself.
@BuffyGracie Judgemental? I asked why are you defending yourself, that's judgemental eh? And my accountability on my Christianity is mine, not yours. :) The Founders were not unhappy in their home, they were unhappy with a unfair king (George III) . They didn't turn away from God's Word like you, they simply made sure no person or government would have automony over how one would worship God or not. We are a Christian nation, not a coercive one as attempted in England and the church of Rome.
@BuffyGracie Attack you with "erroneous" infomation in an aggressive manner??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Need I remind you that you used words and terms like 'little fantasy world', and saying that "I'm failing at my faith", too funny :) !
As you've erred in your interpretation of the 1st Amendment, and you never did give me the names of other Founders that you claim were not Christian, maybe you should just stop and leave it at that. :)
@BuffyGracie You used to be a Christian? No, you are now an apostate. One who has turned away. And now you claim how religions have others at each other's throat's. Well guess what, atheism or "agnostic" as you call yourself, along with your recent post brings me once again to mine.
Why are you defending yourself?
You see, claiming to be irreligious won't exonerate you from conflict either. Other nations that tried that, and failed. Such as "The Great Leap Forward" in China.
@BuffyGracie My "little fantasy world" eh? Earlier I gave you Scripture in an attempt to explain to you why you're allowed to be an atheist without restriction. It's your fantasy world that tries to use Scripture, (none of which you don't believe in), to erroneously use.
And of course, I bet you can't even give me any of the other the Founding Fathers, not just Jefferson and Franklin that you allegedly claim to be not Christian. I'll inform you, you don't want to try me on that. :)
@BuffyGracie To add, the Founding Fathers were not against creating a nation founded on religion, they were against a GOVERNMENT that runs the church, and a church that runs the government. Like what King George III of tried to implement.
@BuffyGracie Guess what, I, a Christian for example, hasn't told you that you can't be a atheist, agnostic. Just like when Elijah told the priests on Mt. Caramel who worshipped Baal they can call upon Baal, but with the provision that he would have his forum afterwards, ref, 1Kings Ch 18: 21-39. He never told the priests, "no don't worship Baal" or anything like that. That's a message of accountability and witnessing for what you believe, not a message to coerce.
PS. It wasn't "secular extremists" who established the 1st Amendement and it's understanding, it was Baptist and Quaker ministers who knew precisely what America needed to be protected from, sitting across the ocean in Rome.
@creationcenterTV That comment of yours is reprobate, that's what I'm talking about. The Founding Fathers of U.S. were Christian and had every intent of giving us a republic based on Biblical values.
@creationcenterTV No they weren't, and no it isn't. Historian and author, David Barton of Wallbuilders with the use of original documentation and unrevised 1st printings of certain books has shown how from the last 50-60 years American history has been taught a re-written form of history that even college professors utilize.
Not to mention the contextual selectivity that many leftists attempt.
Yes they were and he's just about the only one who believes that. We are a secular nation built upon freedom of religion, speech and press. The founders greatly believed in keeping the church out of the government not because they were Christians but because they had a secular way of thinking.
Read the Jefferson Bible and notice his disbelief in miracles. He was not a Christian, neither was Benjamin Franklin to give another example.
@creationcenter The Founders did believe in keeping government out of the church and church out of the government, but not in the way that been interpreted. Before U.S. independence, King George III wanted to implement a one-megachurch (Anglican) that even the buildings had to look the same. That's what the 1st Amendment prevents gov. from doing.
As for Jefferson, he started the Virginia Bible Society, and that's not a Jefferson Bible, it's called The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.
@creationcenterTV "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof...." that part simply means what I explained eairlier.
That what you're suggesting I look at on Amazon, is an example of what I said earlier. The original that Barton provides doesn't say " [The Jefferson Bible], The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth What you're reffering to is a revised copy, not an original. That's part of the deception.
@creationcenterTV I could care less how Thomas Jefferson went through the New Testament didacting what he didn't like and keeping what he did. All I care is that we have liberty and we do.
@creationcenterTV George Washington was. Why bicker? I don't understand. In this day and age it should be a given that people have the right to believe what they want AND THEY DO! What is the problem? I would never say we are a Christian nation because Jesus said "All nations shall rise and fall". So that includes are 50 Nifty United States. But there is a difference between secular and state enforced sterile atheism.
@Badge For the last time, I am not trying to force my worldview on you, just to protect freedom of religion. Unfortunately, it is clear that this conversation is going nowhere. You are likely to keep bringing up marxism and socialism while I will keep saying that those have nothing to do with my argument and neither of us will convince the other, so it is pointless to continue. Thank you for an interesting conversation. Goodbye, and best of luck to you.
@Badge We cannot go around infringing on people's rights just to counter those in power. If we do, then we are just as bad if not worse than those we fight against.
@ww Too sad that to fight against those with Power it must be done without making the People go against you, and the Christians(which turn out to be the Majority here in America) Do not trust you Marxist anymore, Atheist, Gays, Feminists, Socialist whatever they're they don't have the right to imposed their world views on my Family, Community or Church using Big Brother, cause now the Christians are united against their own Government. The Fascist don't take orders from the Marxists.
@Badge Two things. One, you did not actually address the argument I made. Two, my argument does not rely on who is in power. Whether there are democrats, fascists, marxists, or republicans in power, everyone has a right to freedom of religion. It is a universal right. As such, unless anyone can come up with a way to guarantee freedom of religion is not infringed upon without keeping religion out of government, we have no choice but to do so and keep religion out of government.
@Badge Two things. One, you did not actually address the argument I made. Two, my argument does not rely on who is in power. Whether there are democrats, fascists, marxists, or republicans in power, everyone has a right to freedom of religion. It is a universal right. As such, unless anyone can come up with a way to guarantee freedom of religion is not infringed upon without keeping religion out of government, we have no choice but to do so and keep religion out of government.
@Badge Ok, lets make this clear. I have no warfare against Christians. I respect that christians have the right to believe what they want, say what they believe, and act on those beliefs. I simply argue that nobody has the right to use the government to legislate their beliefs and infringe upon other people's right to believe what they want. I also argue that the only way I SEE to ensure this doesn't happen is to keep religion out of government, but I am open to other methods.
@wwbandgeek4 Don't matter what your intentions are, is the intention of the ones in Power, Stalin was a Marxist and run Russia like a Fascist, why? Because the Fascist have more Power than a bunch of Marxists who are nothing more than a bunch of Retired Priests ex Catholics who think they killed God with some apes theory as if it was that simple to eliminate a name that i don't know how but is been well established for about 6000 years, that simple Name can provoke a never ending war.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 [cont] Also, I never claimed you were hypocritical. In addition, I made it explicit that I do not believe there is a theocracy, I was just pointing out that it is possible to end up with one. You are correct that everyone has the right to a voice, they just do not have the right to use their religion to run the government, because that would infringe upon the right to freedom of religion for everyone. (again, I am not sayingthere is a theocracy now)
@wwbandgeek4 What you're doing is playing with fire with gasoline spilled everywhere the game board. The Fascist are dangerous, it is not a joke, is too many of them in Power, Government and Capital, for a Marxist to be so arrogant to pretend the Christians are just a bunch of delusional idiots is an illusion the Marxist put in his head. How many wars have been done in Gods Name? All because people try to erase that name, That name is war and you Marxist are playing with that again?
@TheBadgeOfThe45 Let me see if I can address all of your points in one post. First, I'd like you to explain how atheism is marxism, because as I understand it, Atheism is a single response to a single question. "Do you believe in a god or gods? No." That's all atheism is. Atheists are free to disagree on anything else, as there are no set tenets or required political positions in order to be an atheist. Also, I do not plagiarize any sources, I come up with my opinions on my own. [cont..]
@wwband I don't have to explain how Atheism is Marxism cause thats like saying Feminism isn't Marxism, but the ideology they sale is a 100% Socialistic Marxism, maybe you wish nobody will notice, but you atheist are 24/7 in the Christians face telling them how to behave as better Christians cause atheist knows best, is kind of obvious that the Fascist will connect the dots and see that is too much coincidence that Karl Marx and Christopher Hitchens sound too much alike comrade.
@wwba I don't care of what is the definition of atheist, you Atheist keep repeating it, is irrelevant what atheism is when is Social Marxist Education what you have for sale here! Saul Alinsky did not told you that part? To prove Atheism is Marxism is like proving Feminism is Marxism, we all know it is! Why? cause what they talk 24/7 is Marxism under a segregated girls world view, a Class Warfare against men. Thats what you atheist have, a Class Warfare against Christians only. Thats Marxism.
@wwba I don't care of what is the definition of atheist, you Atheist keep repeating it, is irrelevant what atheism is when is Social Marxist Education what you have for sale here! Saul Alinsky did not told you that part? To prove Atheism is Marxism is like proving Feminism is Marxism, we all know it is! Why? cause what they talk 24/7 is Marxism under a segregated girls world view, a Class Warfare against men. Thats what you atheist have, a Class Warfare against Christians only. Thats Marxism.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 I'll be leaving to sleep now because I have many things I need to do tomorrow. If you do respond to my last post, or if you are in the process of responding as I post this, or if I have somehow missed your reply and have not seen it yet, I would be pleased to continue our conversation when I can tomorrow. Thank you for an interesting conversation thus far. Best wishes and good luck with your endeavors.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 I would not deny that it is possible for a socialist revolution to take over our country. I am all for making sure that does not happen. However, Atheism is not socialism and I do not advocate socialism, so this has nothing to do with my original point. If you'd like to have a conversation about socialism another time I'd be fine with that, but your "rebuttal" does not refute my argument or attack me, it is pointlessly attempting to shift the focus to socialism.
@wwband Atheism is Marxism as Feminism is Marxism, and isms don't matter what class you are as long as it becomes a class the Marxists will use it Retired Priest, Who do you think you're fooling? Yourself? You do advocate Socialism, the only problem you have is that you still believe you are cover, that nobody will find out that everything that comes out of your mouth is Marxism 101, but i can bet you there is not even 1 source you will plagiarize that is not Marxist, Socialistic or Progressive.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 Do you deny that if a given religion (nowhere did I specifically mention christianity) got enough power in the senate, house, federal courts, and presidency that they could legislate their religion? I never said it was going on now, I just said it was possible and we should play it safe. As for my comment about it being the only way, I gave you the option of providing an alternative. btw, preventing something is to stop it from happening, not to fix it once it has happened.
@wwbandgeek4 Of course not Retired Priest but here we go again, Imagine this Imagine that, 2 can play that game Priest, Do you deny that if a given Socialist Revolution (nowhere did I specifically mention Atheism) got enough power in the senate, house, federal courts, and presidency that they could legislate their Marxism? It happen before! Will you deny that can't happen?Preventing something is to stop it from happening, not to fix it once it has happened.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 If we're playing chess, you should stop playing with snakes and ladders pieces and get an actual chess board. Once again, I never said seperation of church and state was mandated by law, I said it is the only feasible option to ensure freedom of religion, which is in the constitution. Again, if you have an alternative, feel free to tell us all. If not, then shut up, Comrade.
@wwbandgeek4 Yes you did Comrade. And when you tell me where is this Christian Theocracy taking placed at then i give you an alternative, but i will not IMAGINE THERE IS A THEOCRACY TAKING PLACE and make laws to prevented Comrade, Saul Alinsky wasn't that smart when he wrote that Radicals For Dummies Manual. You either show me where is those Evil Christians enslaving Marxists or be ready for the Chess game of your life cause the Fascists are not buying it anymore, Comrade.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 "Where is this Separation of Church and State Law written at?" I have already said that seperation of church and state is the only way to ENSURE freedom of religion. If you're going to argue against seperation of church and state, feel free to offer an alternative. If you cannot, please stop commentiing and preventing any constructive conversation from happening with your unsubstantiated assertions of communism and fascism on our part.
@wwbandgeek4 "I have already said that seperation of church and state is the only way to ENSURE freedom of religion?" You still don't get it do you? Who are you to tell us that Separation of Sate and is THE ONLY WAY? The only way of what? Where is this Christian Theocracy Conspiracy Theory of yours taking place at? I don't have to offer an alternative for a problem only you can see Retired Priest! What we gonna do with the Christians then? Put them in Jail for not believing in Marxism?
@wwbandgeek4 Thats not the answer. Where is written by Law in a Law Enforce Document the words "Separation Of Religion And State? As far i am concern is nowhere to be found, just in personal letters written by the Slave Master and Imperialistic Indian Killer Atheist in the closet better known as Thomas Jefferson, you know him the one who did prayers and build a Church( maybe he was drunk and forgot he was an atheist). But the Marxist Manifesto do mention by law Separation of Religion and State.
@wwbandgeek4 Thats not the answer. Where is written by Law in a Law Enforce Document the words "Separation Of Religion And State? As far i am concern is nowhere to be found, just in personal letters written by the Slave Master and Imperialistic Indian Killer Atheist in the closet better known as Thomas Jefferson, you know him the one who did prayers and build a Church( maybe he was drunk and forgot he was an atheist). But the Marxist Manifesto do mention by law Separation of Religion and State.
@wwbandgeek4 Also, just in case people think I'm forcing my atheism on them, that is not the case. You have every right to believe what you want. You can even make government decisions based on those beliefs, a secular government just requires that religion not be the only justification, because not everyone believes the same as you. If your position is correct, then it should not be too difficult to justify it without using religion.
@wwband Yes it is, is not your atheism you are imposing on others, is Marxism, when you practice what you preach then you can tell others about their hypocritical status, in the mean time look at you hypocritical views and fix them. Cause right now there is no Christian Theocracy in America, Gays or Lesbians or Atheists are not the only ones who live here with the right of a voice, Christians will not go anywhere and we will have our voices represented too with or without your permission.
@TheAtheistAntidote Is TheBadgeOfThe45 a good example of what you meant about ad hominem attacks and not focusing on the actual points made? (btw, just in case I was unclear, I did address your points. I was trying to convey that whether your historical facts are true or not does not matter because it does not matter what the founders intended. They established freedom of religion and the only plausible way, to me, to keep that freedom is to have a secular gov. If there's another way tell me
@TheBadgeOfThe45 First of all, I am not a communist. A secular nation does not have to be a communist nation (communists tend to be too dogmatic to me anyway). Secondly, I never said I was an atheist either (I am, but my christian friends entirely agree with me on this issue). I find it odd that you see someone who disagrees with one aspect of your political ideology (and I only mentioned one aspect, separation of church and state) and immediately label them a communist.
@wwbandgeek4 I don't need your Marxists schooling Comrade. Whatever a Communist is under your own Personal interpretation is irrelevant, Whatever Christians friends you have is irrelevant since Who the hell are you? Show me where BY LAW the Separation of Religion and Sate is written at? And don't say the 1st Amendment cause is not there. You are a Marxist Padawan Comrade who thinks the Fascist will believe everything you said cause a Marxist told you so? The Game is Chess not Checkers
A country's population does not have to be secular for the government to be secular. The government SHOULD be secular, that way they won't make laws aiding their religion (AKA banning gay marriage, banning abortion, and banning stem cell research). This guy is a fucking nut. Take off the make-up and stop reading other people's articles.
@Xylog And the commies takes the field! Wow! so the Founding Fathers were secular because of gays rights, abortion and stem cell? I did not knew the founding fathers were Eugenicists and Eugenicists are not Secular, they're Darwinian Fanatics, Radicals Marxist. I think instead of telling Fascists how to behave you should realize that the Fascist are not buying your sad stories about gays, abortions, cell reasearch or your Marxist Education, Since when the Marxists gives orders to the Fascists?
@TheBadgeOfThe45 If you don't know what you are talking about, then shut your damn mouth. There is nothing inherently eugenic, communist, marxist, darwinian, or fanatical about wanting the government to treat ALL creeds and ideas equally. The government should not ban victimless crimes and random "moralized" issues, such as gay marriage and stem cell research. A perfectly libertarian democracy can have an equally distributed government that doesn't condone the actions of any one RELIGION. Idiot.
@Xylogeist Come and shut my damn mouth Retired Priest, you don't own me! You Marxist think they killed God and want others to see you as the Replacement? Thats the problem you Marxist can get a grasp on, is too late Comrade! The masks are off and we can see you clear enough to rise all the chips in the pot cause your bluff is pitiful. So instead of playing that you are against every religion, is only Christians your target and we are fully aware of it. The Fascist are waiting for your next move.
@Xylogeist Come and shut my damn mouth Retired Priest, you don't own me! You Marxist think they killed God and want others to see you as the Replacement? Thats the problem you Marxist can get a grasp on, is too late Comrade! The masks are off and we can see you clear enough to rise all the chips in the pot cause your bluff is pitiful. So instead of playing that you are against every religion, is only Christians your target and we are fully aware of it. The Fascist are waiting for your next move.
@TheBadgeOfThe45 FURTHERMORE, you have no idea what marxist or fascist means do you? Idiot, the marxist theory is the idea that Corporations own all political power in a nation, which is, ironically, EXACTLY what we live in here in America, you dumb fuck. As far as fascism goes, we are fascist in the sense that we basically only have a single party state, since the Dems and Reps always vote on the same thing, SPENDING, while tirtiary parties are thrown under the rug.
@Xylogeist FURTHERMORE, you have no idea what marxist or fascist means do you? LOL
Whats next? This ain't the droids you're looking for? Ohh how you wish everybody was an idiot and never find out your Marxist Radical World view isn't Retired Priest? The Problem with you Marxists is that you idiots love to write down your intentions towards anybody who disagree with the Marxist Dogma, call it education indoctrinating the Fascists kids paid by the very Fascists taxes you cheap bastards.
@Xylogeist Go and die? and these is the people we want in Power? Thats all you Marxist do, Kill their own, Marxism ain't no different than a Theocracy, is just a Godless Theocracy. What is funny is that these marxist actually think they can intimidate others without a problem. Come and kill me then big boy! Ain't you indistructible? Make sure my ideology is dead with me cause if not, another one will come and another one and another one and another until you have to kill us all Retired Priest.
@Xylogeist Go and die? and these is the people we want in Power? Thats all you Marxist do, Kill their own, Marxism ain't no different than a Theocracy, is just a Godless Theocracy. What is funny is that these marxist actually think they can intimidate others without a problem. Come and kill me then big boy! Ain't you indistructible? Make sure my ideology is dead with me cause if not, another one will come and another one and another one and another until you have to kill us all Retired Priest.
@Xylogeist Go and die? and these is the people we want in Power? Thats all you Marxist do, Kill their own, Marxism ain't no different than a Theocracy, is just a Godless Theocracy. What is funny is that these marxist actually think they can intimidate others without a problem. Come and kill me then big boy! Ain't you indistructible? Make sure my ideology is dead with me cause if not, another one will come and another one and another one and another until you have to kill us all Retired Priest.
HEY IDIOT, THERE IS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH IN STATE IN THIS COUNTRY. DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN IF WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY? STOP PREACHING YOUR CRAP AND GET A REAL JOB!
@TheTruthHurtsAlot3 HEY MARXIST, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN MARXIST SIGNATURE IN THE DOCUMENTS OF THIS COUNTRY. DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO BE A MARXIST SOCIALIST IF WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY? LEAVE YOUR COMMIE SPEECH FOR YOUR REVOLUTION AND LEAVE THE FASCIST TALK ANY CRAP THEY WANT. IS A FREE COUNTRY, NOT CUBA COMRADE.
Huh? LOL First of all, I'm NOT a communist. Secondly, I'm talking about religion here. If there is no separation of church and state then that would make this country a theocracy.... oh, kind of like how Iran is you complete idiot
@TheTruthHurts What Theocracy?That Fascist Conspiracy Theory?Where is this Separation of Church and State Law written at?The 1st Amendment? Jefferson' letter?Or the Communist Manifesto? Maybe i am an Idiot, but not YOUR idiot Comrade, I think you should be helping your Sacred Marxist Cows with their signs of protest against those Evil Jews in Palestine cause the Fascists are not buying your commie speech anymore Retired Priest, The dissatisfaction against Marxism have reach the boiling point.
You are completely void of knowledge on this subject. Communists (Marxiists) prohibited the practice of ANY religion. The United States promotes freedom of religion--however, not freedom of ONE religion to overhaul the American justice system, society and laws. You are assuming I'm against the practice of religion; hence, this makes you an idiot. I have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and Agnostic friends who practice freely.
You are completely void of knowledge on this subject. Communists (Marxiists) prohibited the practice of ANY religion. The United States promotes freedom of religion--however, not freedom of ONE religion to overhaul the American justice system, society and laws. You are assuming I'm against the practice of religion; hence, this makes you an idiot. I have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and Agnostic friends who practice freely.
You are completely void of knowledge on this subject. Communists (Marxiists) prohibited the practice of ANY religion. The United States promotes freedom of religion--however, not freedom of ONE religion to overhaul the American justice system, society and laws. You are assuming I'm against the practice of religion; hence, this makes you an idiot. I have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and Agnostic friends who practice freely.
The phrase "separation of church and state" expresses an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The First Amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." Ok, so shit for brains, did you hear that? There can be no law respecting the establishment of religion. Hence, Christiany dogma can NEVER be law!
The phrase "separation of church and state" expresses an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The First Amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." Ok, so shit for brains, did you hear that? There can be no law respecting the establishment of religion. Hence, Christiany dogma can NEVER be law!
@wwbandgeek4 [cont..] enough power to impose their beliefs on those who believe differently. In order to avoid the possibility of that happening it seems like keeping religion and government seperate is the only way.
@wwbandgeek4 Jajajaja...what a Commie speech!...good comrade good!.. So the Christians are making you believe in God? Are you under arrest for being an Atheist? Cause Barack Ubammma claim to be a Christian, so was Clinton! and so was every single goddamn President in this Nation, i never seen those Evil Circumcise bible lovers imposing their beliefs on those who believe different? But what i see is a bunch of Marxist imposing their beliefs on others via indoctrination and intimidation. Comrade
@TheAtheistAntidote Could you clarify something for me about this video? Are you arguing against keeping religion out of government? Because no matter what the intentions of the founding fathers were, the establishment clause does require us to keep the two seperate. The establishment clause prohibits government from infringing upon freedom of religion and the only practical way I see to do that is to keep them completely seperate, or else you risk one religion or denomination gaining [cont..]
Well, that's one of the problems with cherry-picked data: if that's all you have, it's very easy to believe you have all the answers. Unfortunately, it appears more and more evident that, while you may have all the answers, most of those answers are wrong. The US was also a slaveowning state. You seem to be advocating a return to our roots, and thus are advocating slavery. Of course, CO2 levels have demonstrably risen since 1776. I'm sure the FFs would have disapproved. It's in the bible!
Do some more research. We are a secular nation. Its what makes us great. I suppose you think that majority, as you see it, would define us as a christian nation? If the majority of this nation was Islam, would you support it? Saying we are a nation of Islam?
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together"
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State."
Why are you disabling the ratings on all your new videos? So any new viewers don't know how many people disagree with you, and may take you more seriously?
Ad Hom? You mean the ad hominem in your video? Cause half of everything you said in this video is sophist ad hominem.
Gah, I refuted part 2 in the comment section because there was so little material in it anyway, but this video is too much for just comments. I might make a video response instead later (when time permits)
Ok first of all i don't hate god if they rules that where put down in the bible where subjective and in fact good in all views i would love a nation of truthfully just people but that will never happen and you say others feel they "hold the invisible keys to the minds of the founding generation" and if they don't we are to believe you do really
The actual biblical knowledge of many of these self-professed crusaders of the one true Faith is surprisingly lacking. Could it be the American, conservative rightwing, manifested in Tea Partiers screeching about how 'this is a CHRISTIAN notion', only use the divine name of Christ to cover up their materialistic and egotistic desires in christian piety?
@marklross2 No, what? Please tell me what capitalism, pro-death penalty, the carrying of arms, protesting taxes, nationalism, militarism and opposing the government exactly have to do with the Gospel of Christ? Show me one verse that has Christ supporting 1) capitalism (accumulation of MATERIAL wealth) 2) the death penalty 3) carrying arms 4) nationalism/militarism and 5) opposition to taxes/government.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones That the man made corruptions to the Gospel have evolved over time does not negate the fact that the foundation to functioning society in what is now modern day USA is based upon Judeo/Christian tradition. Point out where the Gospel forbids wealth accumulation. Christ used a weapon to drive the money lenders from the temple.
@marklross2 Check out Matthew 6:16-29, Luke 14:33 and Luke 16:13. It's not about forbidding, it is about consistency. I understand one gets easy points by calling Obama a satanic communist, and that in order to 'moralize' ones own political position all you have to do is throw the name of Jesus around, but that's only varnish. Let's get down to the nitty gritty. A christian nation? Really?
@marklross2 Please tell me what working to support yourself has to do with making PROFIT? The first christians worked to support themselves but did not make a profit (Acts 4:32-5:11). Capitalism does not mean simply 'working to support yourself'. Capitalism stands or falls with the concept of making a PROFIT.
@marklross2 In essence, nothing. But it is rather hypocritical to pass your movement (or country) of as 'christian' when the Gospel is pretty clear: accumulating material wealth is not what Christ was about. At all... Ironically, things like universal health care, vehemently opposed by the Tea Party, are way more in line with the teaching of Christ.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones hmmmm - I couldn't find anything in the Bible that said, "Take from the diligent in order to support others," but I did find this: Proverbs 10:4
Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth.
@marklross2 That is because you are adhering to the tried-and-true conservative illusion that 'work automatically equals wealth'. People are working their asses off everyday, my friend, and that literally for pennies. Again: this has nothing to do with accumulating material wealth. Furthermore, as you Tea Partiers are tight above all with Jesus, please quote Jesus as stating anything that is even remotely viable as an endorsement of capitalism. Just one.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones So now a proverb from the Bible is an "illusion." OK - well we know where you stand. I won't find an endorsement of capitalism from Jesus - he was about spirituality - he steered clear of politics. Of course I won't find a condemnation of capitalism either....
@marklross2 Don't be dishonest. You know what Proverbs states. You know that. It has nothing whatsoever to do with this 'free market capitalism profit-making' scheme that the Tea partiers hold so dear. And yes, if you think that by working your ass off you'll automatically get rich, you live in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Oh - now it's what "Proverbs" states - not Jesus - which is it? I already quoted Proverbs: Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth. I'm not saying that if you work wealth comes automatically. If you don't work - what are the chances? Besides you miss the point. If you work - you immediately become rich - rich in the feeling of self-reliance and independence and thrift. A richness of spirit that money can't buy. That's what Jesus taught...
@marklross2 Oh really? I hardly think that's why Tea Partiers are so obsessed with capitalism. Again: show me one verse where Christ is even remotely endorsing the concept of making a material profit. Mind you: this does not mean 'work'. This means: making a material PROFIT.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones For if a man gains the world, but loses his soul what good is it? To lose one's soul - to sellout - for gain is pointless...But there is nothing wrong with HONEST gain - this is the lesson Jesus teaches...
"that you are prepared to give up all your wealth in His name..."
Yes, let me guess, prepared to give up all your wealth once you're dead and have no use for it anymore?
LOL what a pathetic rationalization.
"When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." LUKE 18:22
Now, eternal reward or your life's savings. Which is more important to you?
You gotta be shitting me with your strawmen.
alphaenemy 1 week ago
so Jefferson wasnt the deist who edited a special gospel that disregards Jc as son of god?
kapachangos 3 weeks ago
So, what do all us other religions and cultures and non-religious, who arrived in America since its foundation, do now? What do all those who decide christianity is not for them do now? None of us are remotely interested in your religion or its eternal threats, and never will be.
How does coming on to youtube with a video such as this serve to unify us a one country, with acceptance of all others, be they a different religion or atheist or anything in between.
This was plain ignorant.
OccamsView 1 month ago
You're correct only in the title of this post, we are currently a Christian nation, although unconstitutionally. The US constitution is suppose to be the supreme law of the USA. Now in the US constitution is the Est. Clause which is meant to prohibit the preference by the US government of one religion over another. In this day an age it's pretty much political suicide to admit being anything other than Christian. Christianity only really took off in the US after the civil war to promote unity.
Galahad747 1 month ago
Another idiot with money.
redfoxbennaton 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Many of these political leaders were great men (By the world’s standard), but they held to a Deistic, Unitarian, Masonic belief of a "Supreme Architect", while denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, the Trinity and many other essential teachings of Christianity.
The history of Christianity in America is real and doesn't need to be fabricated by misrepresentation of historical facts. The column of the political establishment, past and present, are by-and-large unchristian.
Isaiah122 2 months ago
Continued - The Pilgrims were a courageous group of people, which passed on a wonderful legacy to subsequent generations of Americans. One being that of the world’s greatest group of Christian evangelistic in history. This column of American history is indeed Christian. The column of political leaders, which are so well known to most Americans, were often far from being Christian. Please don’t believe me, do you own research. - Continued on next post -
Isaiah122 2 months ago
The fact is many of the key leaders of the [political] establishment of the United States: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine, were not believers in Jesus Christ and didn't accept the orthodox teachings of Biblical Christianity (The Virgin birth of Christ, Jesus’ Resurrection, Substitutionary Atonement, etc).
The true founders of America, the Pilgrims, were indeed Christian.
Isaiah122 2 months ago
We are a secular nation. I don't see how secularism hurts Christianity anyway. Christianity spread through the Roman Empire despite persecution. As long as we are free to worship, free to share our faith with those in need, who cares if some fake politician claims to be Christian. A lot of people CLAIM to be Christian but aren't. I can't see this being a big deal.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance If anything, secularism helps Christianity because it means leaving it alone. What hurts Christianity is science education & critical thinking skills.
Kllgg 2 months ago
@Kllgg Science does not hurt Christianity. There are over 50 Nobel Laureates of Science, MOST OF THEM GIANTS IN PHYSICS that were Christian or Jewish. Francis Bacon developed the Scientific method. The biggest delusional myth of atheists is that they try to lay claim to science, when in fact they don't have a claim on it. Further, most atheists that I have heard make such a silly claim weren't even knowledgeable about science or they didn't get good grades or they never even STUDIED IT!
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance Science has been making religions obsolete for thousands of years. There's a reason people no longer believe the sun pulled across the sky by Apollo. What reason do you have to think your religion is any different?
Kllgg 2 months ago
@Kllgg Science has been making religious belief obsolete for thousands of years? You pulled that one out of your ass. We often say "the sun sets" when we know it doesn't. Even other scientists were skeptical of Copernicus. If you weren't born in modern times it would appear to you that the sun moved as well. For a long time we didn't have the technology to prove otherwise. Science is wonderful. I love science. But Jesus never said the sun moved did he? You made no point, just rhetoric.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance Yes, thousands of years. I'm not sure how you get that I pulled it out of my ass when I followed it with a perfect example. The Greeks believed the sun was pulled across the sky by one of their gods. Science eventually proved that wrong. Now no one believes in those gods. It's not that complicated, so your confusion here is bizarre.
"But Jesus never said the sun moved did he?" Nope, he didn't. Maybe that's why I never claimed he did.
Kllgg 2 months ago
@Kllgg No, your statement that science education threatened Christianity was bizarre (and erroneous) and I proved it. We were talking about Christianity, not the ancient Greeks. Paganism did not die out because of Copernicus! Your history is bizarre. You made a stupid statement about science and critical thought and I listed giants that easily surpass you and I and yet they were religious. So you couldn't back up your point substantively about Science and Christianity or critical thinking. Done
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance Yup, you were talking about Christianity & not the Greeks. That's why I said science threatens Christianity specifically, instead of saying it threatens all deity based religions (which it does). I brought up the Greeks as an example. I'm not sure why it made your head explode. It's a very simple concept.
Kllgg 2 months ago
@Kllgg Oh and I can add Galileo to the list of Christian giants of science. He was at odds with the Pope, but he never stopped being a Christian. So what you are saying is that because atheism is in vogue with scientists (and represents who gets funding) that none of the actual GIANTS of science mean anything, only your precious and mediocre Richard Dawkins. Please spare me because everything you say I have heard before. Religion and science need not be mutually exclusive. And you're neither.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@Kllgg You couldn't respond to the Nobel Laureates and your bigoted statement. I knew you would move on to just some other rhetorical comment without being able to say anything substantive. I am not going to have some tired cliche debate. It's all been said on Youtube. You think you're more enlightened than other people...the world is full of those types. Nothing original in that. Nothing enlightened. Just vanity. The need to feel superior or more enlightened when you are not.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@Kllgg Dr. Francis Collins, headed the Human Genome Project. He mapped disease genes. He was an atheist but converted to Christian, it made him no less a diligent scientist. Isaac Newton was a Christian and was a giant in physics. So who are YOU? Science only hurts creationists. Most Christians are NOT creationists. St. Augustine was criticizing them back in the 400s. AD
1105Chance 2 months ago
@Kllgg So Max Planck, Werner Heisenberg, Schodinger, Milliken, Townes, Schawlow, William Phillips, Sir William Bragg, Marconi, Compton, Penzias,Carrell...and the list goes on...ALL GIANTS OF PHYSICS, but you think they were threatened by science and lacked critical thinking skills? I think you lack critical thinking skills!
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance I was talking about religions themselves, not individual follows of those religions. Apples & oranges. The religions of individual scientists are irrelevant. The net effect of science, including theirs, is to disprove religions & make them obsolete. It's already documented in our history, and I've provided you the perfect example of it. If you choose to be obtuse about it, that's your problem.
Kllgg 2 months ago
@Kllgg Your just stating your opinion of what you want science to be. Science just explains "how". It does not disprove belief in God. You implied that science education and critical thinking would "hurt" Christianity. YOUR WORDS. I proved that statement to be erroneous. If anyone is being deflective and obtuse it's you. Your statements are opinions. All of the scientists I listed would disagree with you about the "net effect of science'. Other than creationists, Christians believe in science.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance Really? Find me one scientist (no matter their religion) who doesn't admit that science is the reason Apollo is no longer believed in.
Kllgg 2 months ago
@Kllgg So you don't know history either. Greek mythology gave way to Roman mythology and paganism which gave way to Christianity via Constantine. The worship of Apollo died out centuries before Copernicus presented his beliefs about the solar system. So the paganism belief did not die because of science, it DIED OUT. I have to go. I can't spend my night with you babbling and refusing to respond to the point I made about scientists and critical thinking. You just made an erroneous biased remark.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@Kllgg And your still running away with Apollo because your original comment about Christianity was shit! I have to go, there's life beyond Youtube. Only atheists come here to die.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance Well, since the very simple example of Apollo is apparently too much for you, the next best way to prove me right is to apply science to Christianity. I guarantee you none of the scientists you listed would dare do that. You can be a respected scientist in a field unrelated to your religion. It's called compartmentalization. Get any one of them to look at their religion scientifically & see what happens.
Kllgg 2 months ago
The founding fore fathers were deist & pagans. Go visit any of their grave yards. Do you find any crosses on any of their grave sites?? NO you wont. google PAGAN AMERICA check the first link. Our government has been hijacked by zionism
MAZDAKPRODUCTION 2 months ago
Can you do me a favor, and find a single mention of "God" or "The Creator" or any sort of religious advocation in the federal constitution?
Go ahead, try. I'll just sit here and laugh at you.
BigLundi 3 months ago
@BigLundi I don't care about the beliefs of the founding fathers. I like the freedom to worship as I please, and I love the freedom for people not to worship if they do not believe.
I believe in tolerance, not constant bickering and petty insults. This guy turned out to be conservative although I like some of his posts, but our country was set up so it would not be a theocracy. So in that sense, it does not matter what the founding fathers believed as long as they believed in liberty!
1105Chance 2 months ago
Learn to read.
jenlight 4 months ago
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All I need is Jeeeesus, but Santa Claus is what I want.
kevyk135 4 months ago
He has a heavy focus on the notion that Separation's purpose is to protect the Church from the State. He's half right. But he ignores the other half. Letting Church influence State runs the risk of the reverse happening.
Kllgg 4 months ago
@Kllgg I am Christian and I don't WANT the churches influencing the government too much. I mean, when they stood up for civil rights etc. that's fine. But when religions try to get like a theocracy (like the Mormons did in California) it scares me. I worship privately and I don't force anyone to believe what I believe nor do I try to cram it down their throat. But I am a Lutheran and our particular type (ELCA) is liberal and tolerant. More than tolerant, they are respectful.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance I'm sure you're within the majority of Christians. Too bad the crazies dominate the conversation & political policy anyway.
Kllgg 2 months ago
The very first thing said in this video is a strawman. No one makes such claims. Refuting what was never said is quite easy, but also quite dishonest.
Kllgg 4 months ago
In the very same breath as the suggestion research the claim is the implication that much of material available should be avoided. Would someone confident in their claim be afraid of people reviewing everything available?
Kllgg 4 months ago
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Treaty of Tripoli: "As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion, . . "
armylegalbeagle 4 months ago
"Failing at my faith", HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie All were prompted by your comments first "Read my post", "I think you just contradicted yourself", "you little fantasy world", and your interpretation of the 1st Amendment is erroneous, too bad. And claiming to be "attacked". If an Islamofascists in their country were to find out what you were, they'd kill you. They see atheism, agnosticism, as the worst form of infidel, so be thankful a true Christian would never do that. :)
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@Tsuruta1 "Be thankful a true christian won't do that" Ahhh yes, I know a christian wouldn't do that, no, you guys prefer your GOD to do that.
Yes, Islamofascists in Saud Arabia might persecute atheists directly, but you christians are far more conniving...yes, you just sit, and smile, and say, "It doesn't matter how much more sense they seem to make, I know God will burn them in hell, and I'll get to watch."
BigLundi 3 months ago
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@BigLundi You either believe in God, or you don't. Your accountability.
Tsuruta1 3 months ago
@BigLundi I never think about hell. Jesus says that evil people will be "pushed into outer darkness". Most Christians do not believe that the fire is hell, it is a metaphysical self-purgatorial separation from God. So in general, we believe that people just die and it goes dark. We believe that some (whom only Christ choses) will live again. Since I came into this life with no effort of my own, I don't see it outlandish to believe in a new heaven and a new earth.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance "Most christians do not believe that the fire is hell" You are in absolutely NO stance to say that.
And even then, you are aware that you're being rewarded fro believing, and I'm being punished for not believing right? You're getting something that I'm being denied...purely based off of whether or not you or I believe.
BigLundi 2 months ago
@BigLundi We believe that all will be judged according to His deeds. "He will come again to judge the living and the dead". As for your comment about Hell, I most certainly can say that. The idea of fire and brimstone is just some allegory. Only fanatics take it seriously. Most mainline churches define hell as the complete separation from God, which is DEATH. You believe you just die, so no biggy.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance Strange, what about Jesus saying the only path to heaven is through him? Don't get me wrong your more liberal view of christianity is certainly better than most, but you can't sit there and say, "We believe" something not every christian believes. you aren't in the place to do that.
BigLundi 2 months ago
@BigLundi I believe that God has strengthened me in my life to get through horrible traumatic events, I pray for strength not for jobs, money, houses. So if you are saying I think I get something out of it, yes I do. Do I think I am necessarily going to heaven? No I don't. I don't make that decision. Obviously if someone believes in God (and Christ) we believe we are blessed to have a loving God. That doesn't mean "selfish motives" if that's what you're trying to imply.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@BigLundi And you're wrong. MOST CHRISTIANS DO NOT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE BURNS IN FIRE FOR ALL OF ETERNITY. Some will live again, some won't. It's often overlooked that in Revelations when it talks of being thrown into a lake of fire (apocalyptic writing is heavy in metaphors and symbolism) he mentions "Destroyers of the Earth" among that group. I always thought that interesting. Perhaps the environment isn't meant to be raped and bombed.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@1105Chance "Most christians do not believe that someone burns in fire for all eternity" Please provide me a source for that, otherwise, keep that opinion to yourself.
BigLundi 2 months ago
@BuffyGracie Judgemental? I asked why are you defending yourself, that's judgemental eh? And my accountability on my Christianity is mine, not yours. :) The Founders were not unhappy in their home, they were unhappy with a unfair king (George III) . They didn't turn away from God's Word like you, they simply made sure no person or government would have automony over how one would worship God or not. We are a Christian nation, not a coercive one as attempted in England and the church of Rome.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie Attack you with "erroneous" infomation in an aggressive manner??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Need I remind you that you used words and terms like 'little fantasy world', and saying that "I'm failing at my faith", too funny :) !
As you've erred in your interpretation of the 1st Amendment, and you never did give me the names of other Founders that you claim were not Christian, maybe you should just stop and leave it at that. :)
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie You used to be a Christian? No, you are now an apostate. One who has turned away. And now you claim how religions have others at each other's throat's. Well guess what, atheism or "agnostic" as you call yourself, along with your recent post brings me once again to mine.
Why are you defending yourself?
You see, claiming to be irreligious won't exonerate you from conflict either. Other nations that tried that, and failed. Such as "The Great Leap Forward" in China.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie My "little fantasy world" eh? Earlier I gave you Scripture in an attempt to explain to you why you're allowed to be an atheist without restriction. It's your fantasy world that tries to use Scripture, (none of which you don't believe in), to erroneously use.
And of course, I bet you can't even give me any of the other the Founding Fathers, not just Jefferson and Franklin that you allegedly claim to be not Christian. I'll inform you, you don't want to try me on that. :)
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie No it's you that didn't read MY post. Your contextual selectivity, twisting views, is apparent. Read it again, and in full.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie To add, the Founding Fathers were not against creating a nation founded on religion, they were against a GOVERNMENT that runs the church, and a church that runs the government. Like what King George III of tried to implement.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie Guess what, I, a Christian for example, hasn't told you that you can't be a atheist, agnostic. Just like when Elijah told the priests on Mt. Caramel who worshipped Baal they can call upon Baal, but with the provision that he would have his forum afterwards, ref, 1Kings Ch 18: 21-39. He never told the priests, "no don't worship Baal" or anything like that. That's a message of accountability and witnessing for what you believe, not a message to coerce.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie And what are the original values?
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@BuffyGracie Then why are you defending yourself? You came onto this clip with no coercion from anyone whatsoever.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
PS. It wasn't "secular extremists" who established the 1st Amendement and it's understanding, it was Baptist and Quaker ministers who knew precisely what America needed to be protected from, sitting across the ocean in Rome.
RadioFreeJerusalem 5 months ago
It's a glass half full or half empty depending on where you wish to steer the car. Your steering it into a Roman Fascism ditch.
RadioFreeJerusalem 5 months ago
America is secular and I hope it gets more and more secular because religion in government poisons the system and gives rise to dictatorships.
creationcenterTV 5 months ago
@creationcenterTV What are you talking about??
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@Tsuruta1
What was so hard to understand?
creationcenterTV 5 months ago
@creationcenterTV That comment of yours is reprobate, that's what I'm talking about. The Founding Fathers of U.S. were Christian and had every intent of giving us a republic based on Biblical values.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@Tsuruta1
The Founding Fathers were mostly deists. The Constitution is a very secular document.
creationcenterTV 5 months ago
@creationcenterTV No they weren't, and no it isn't. Historian and author, David Barton of Wallbuilders with the use of original documentation and unrevised 1st printings of certain books has shown how from the last 50-60 years American history has been taught a re-written form of history that even college professors utilize.
Not to mention the contextual selectivity that many leftists attempt.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@Tsuruta1
Yes they were and he's just about the only one who believes that. We are a secular nation built upon freedom of religion, speech and press. The founders greatly believed in keeping the church out of the government not because they were Christians but because they had a secular way of thinking.
Read the Jefferson Bible and notice his disbelief in miracles. He was not a Christian, neither was Benjamin Franklin to give another example.
creationcenterTV 5 months ago
@creationcenter The Founders did believe in keeping government out of the church and church out of the government, but not in the way that been interpreted. Before U.S. independence, King George III wanted to implement a one-megachurch (Anglican) that even the buildings had to look the same. That's what the 1st Amendment prevents gov. from doing.
As for Jefferson, he started the Virginia Bible Society, and that's not a Jefferson Bible, it's called The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@Tsuruta1
The 1st Amendment is about any religion. They wanted the exact opposite of what Britain was.
It's called The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. Go check it out on Amazon.
creationcenterTV 5 months ago
@creationcenterTV "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof...." that part simply means what I explained eairlier.
That what you're suggesting I look at on Amazon, is an example of what I said earlier. The original that Barton provides doesn't say " [The Jefferson Bible], The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth What you're reffering to is a revised copy, not an original. That's part of the deception.
Tsuruta1 5 months ago
@creationcenterTV I could care less how Thomas Jefferson went through the New Testament didacting what he didn't like and keeping what he did. All I care is that we have liberty and we do.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@creationcenterTV George Washington was. Why bicker? I don't understand. In this day and age it should be a given that people have the right to believe what they want AND THEY DO! What is the problem? I would never say we are a Christian nation because Jesus said "All nations shall rise and fall". So that includes are 50 Nifty United States. But there is a difference between secular and state enforced sterile atheism.
1105Chance 2 months ago
@Badge For the last time, I am not trying to force my worldview on you, just to protect freedom of religion. Unfortunately, it is clear that this conversation is going nowhere. You are likely to keep bringing up marxism and socialism while I will keep saying that those have nothing to do with my argument and neither of us will convince the other, so it is pointless to continue. Thank you for an interesting conversation. Goodbye, and best of luck to you.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Thank you same to you.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@Badge We cannot go around infringing on people's rights just to counter those in power. If we do, then we are just as bad if not worse than those we fight against.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@ww Too sad that to fight against those with Power it must be done without making the People go against you, and the Christians(which turn out to be the Majority here in America) Do not trust you Marxist anymore, Atheist, Gays, Feminists, Socialist whatever they're they don't have the right to imposed their world views on my Family, Community or Church using Big Brother, cause now the Christians are united against their own Government. The Fascist don't take orders from the Marxists.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
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@Badge Two things. One, you did not actually address the argument I made. Two, my argument does not rely on who is in power. Whether there are democrats, fascists, marxists, or republicans in power, everyone has a right to freedom of religion. It is a universal right. As such, unless anyone can come up with a way to guarantee freedom of religion is not infringed upon without keeping religion out of government, we have no choice but to do so and keep religion out of government.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@Badge Two things. One, you did not actually address the argument I made. Two, my argument does not rely on who is in power. Whether there are democrats, fascists, marxists, or republicans in power, everyone has a right to freedom of religion. It is a universal right. As such, unless anyone can come up with a way to guarantee freedom of religion is not infringed upon without keeping religion out of government, we have no choice but to do so and keep religion out of government.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@Badge Ok, lets make this clear. I have no warfare against Christians. I respect that christians have the right to believe what they want, say what they believe, and act on those beliefs. I simply argue that nobody has the right to use the government to legislate their beliefs and infringe upon other people's right to believe what they want. I also argue that the only way I SEE to ensure this doesn't happen is to keep religion out of government, but I am open to other methods.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Don't matter what your intentions are, is the intention of the ones in Power, Stalin was a Marxist and run Russia like a Fascist, why? Because the Fascist have more Power than a bunch of Marxists who are nothing more than a bunch of Retired Priests ex Catholics who think they killed God with some apes theory as if it was that simple to eliminate a name that i don't know how but is been well established for about 6000 years, that simple Name can provoke a never ending war.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 [cont] Also, I never claimed you were hypocritical. In addition, I made it explicit that I do not believe there is a theocracy, I was just pointing out that it is possible to end up with one. You are correct that everyone has the right to a voice, they just do not have the right to use their religion to run the government, because that would infringe upon the right to freedom of religion for everyone. (again, I am not sayingthere is a theocracy now)
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 What you're doing is playing with fire with gasoline spilled everywhere the game board. The Fascist are dangerous, it is not a joke, is too many of them in Power, Government and Capital, for a Marxist to be so arrogant to pretend the Christians are just a bunch of delusional idiots is an illusion the Marxist put in his head. How many wars have been done in Gods Name? All because people try to erase that name, That name is war and you Marxist are playing with that again?
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 Let me see if I can address all of your points in one post. First, I'd like you to explain how atheism is marxism, because as I understand it, Atheism is a single response to a single question. "Do you believe in a god or gods? No." That's all atheism is. Atheists are free to disagree on anything else, as there are no set tenets or required political positions in order to be an atheist. Also, I do not plagiarize any sources, I come up with my opinions on my own. [cont..]
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwband I don't have to explain how Atheism is Marxism cause thats like saying Feminism isn't Marxism, but the ideology they sale is a 100% Socialistic Marxism, maybe you wish nobody will notice, but you atheist are 24/7 in the Christians face telling them how to behave as better Christians cause atheist knows best, is kind of obvious that the Fascist will connect the dots and see that is too much coincidence that Karl Marx and Christopher Hitchens sound too much alike comrade.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@wwba I don't care of what is the definition of atheist, you Atheist keep repeating it, is irrelevant what atheism is when is Social Marxist Education what you have for sale here! Saul Alinsky did not told you that part? To prove Atheism is Marxism is like proving Feminism is Marxism, we all know it is! Why? cause what they talk 24/7 is Marxism under a segregated girls world view, a Class Warfare against men. Thats what you atheist have, a Class Warfare against Christians only. Thats Marxism.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@wwba I don't care of what is the definition of atheist, you Atheist keep repeating it, is irrelevant what atheism is when is Social Marxist Education what you have for sale here! Saul Alinsky did not told you that part? To prove Atheism is Marxism is like proving Feminism is Marxism, we all know it is! Why? cause what they talk 24/7 is Marxism under a segregated girls world view, a Class Warfare against men. Thats what you atheist have, a Class Warfare against Christians only. Thats Marxism.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 I'll be leaving to sleep now because I have many things I need to do tomorrow. If you do respond to my last post, or if you are in the process of responding as I post this, or if I have somehow missed your reply and have not seen it yet, I would be pleased to continue our conversation when I can tomorrow. Thank you for an interesting conversation thus far. Best wishes and good luck with your endeavors.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Thank you
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 I would not deny that it is possible for a socialist revolution to take over our country. I am all for making sure that does not happen. However, Atheism is not socialism and I do not advocate socialism, so this has nothing to do with my original point. If you'd like to have a conversation about socialism another time I'd be fine with that, but your "rebuttal" does not refute my argument or attack me, it is pointlessly attempting to shift the focus to socialism.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwband Atheism is Marxism as Feminism is Marxism, and isms don't matter what class you are as long as it becomes a class the Marxists will use it Retired Priest, Who do you think you're fooling? Yourself? You do advocate Socialism, the only problem you have is that you still believe you are cover, that nobody will find out that everything that comes out of your mouth is Marxism 101, but i can bet you there is not even 1 source you will plagiarize that is not Marxist, Socialistic or Progressive.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 Do you deny that if a given religion (nowhere did I specifically mention christianity) got enough power in the senate, house, federal courts, and presidency that they could legislate their religion? I never said it was going on now, I just said it was possible and we should play it safe. As for my comment about it being the only way, I gave you the option of providing an alternative. btw, preventing something is to stop it from happening, not to fix it once it has happened.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Of course not Retired Priest but here we go again, Imagine this Imagine that, 2 can play that game Priest, Do you deny that if a given Socialist Revolution (nowhere did I specifically mention Atheism) got enough power in the senate, house, federal courts, and presidency that they could legislate their Marxism? It happen before! Will you deny that can't happen?Preventing something is to stop it from happening, not to fix it once it has happened.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 If we're playing chess, you should stop playing with snakes and ladders pieces and get an actual chess board. Once again, I never said seperation of church and state was mandated by law, I said it is the only feasible option to ensure freedom of religion, which is in the constitution. Again, if you have an alternative, feel free to tell us all. If not, then shut up, Comrade.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Yes you did Comrade. And when you tell me where is this Christian Theocracy taking placed at then i give you an alternative, but i will not IMAGINE THERE IS A THEOCRACY TAKING PLACE and make laws to prevented Comrade, Saul Alinsky wasn't that smart when he wrote that Radicals For Dummies Manual. You either show me where is those Evil Christians enslaving Marxists or be ready for the Chess game of your life cause the Fascists are not buying it anymore, Comrade.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 "Where is this Separation of Church and State Law written at?" I have already said that seperation of church and state is the only way to ENSURE freedom of religion. If you're going to argue against seperation of church and state, feel free to offer an alternative. If you cannot, please stop commentiing and preventing any constructive conversation from happening with your unsubstantiated assertions of communism and fascism on our part.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 "I have already said that seperation of church and state is the only way to ENSURE freedom of religion?" You still don't get it do you? Who are you to tell us that Separation of Sate and is THE ONLY WAY? The only way of what? Where is this Christian Theocracy Conspiracy Theory of yours taking place at? I don't have to offer an alternative for a problem only you can see Retired Priest! What we gonna do with the Christians then? Put them in Jail for not believing in Marxism?
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Thats not the answer. Where is written by Law in a Law Enforce Document the words "Separation Of Religion And State? As far i am concern is nowhere to be found, just in personal letters written by the Slave Master and Imperialistic Indian Killer Atheist in the closet better known as Thomas Jefferson, you know him the one who did prayers and build a Church( maybe he was drunk and forgot he was an atheist). But the Marxist Manifesto do mention by law Separation of Religion and State.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
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@wwbandgeek4 Thats not the answer. Where is written by Law in a Law Enforce Document the words "Separation Of Religion And State? As far i am concern is nowhere to be found, just in personal letters written by the Slave Master and Imperialistic Indian Killer Atheist in the closet better known as Thomas Jefferson, you know him the one who did prayers and build a Church( maybe he was drunk and forgot he was an atheist). But the Marxist Manifesto do mention by law Separation of Religion and State.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Also, just in case people think I'm forcing my atheism on them, that is not the case. You have every right to believe what you want. You can even make government decisions based on those beliefs, a secular government just requires that religion not be the only justification, because not everyone believes the same as you. If your position is correct, then it should not be too difficult to justify it without using religion.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwband Yes it is, is not your atheism you are imposing on others, is Marxism, when you practice what you preach then you can tell others about their hypocritical status, in the mean time look at you hypocritical views and fix them. Cause right now there is no Christian Theocracy in America, Gays or Lesbians or Atheists are not the only ones who live here with the right of a voice, Christians will not go anywhere and we will have our voices represented too with or without your permission.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheAtheistAntidote Is TheBadgeOfThe45 a good example of what you meant about ad hominem attacks and not focusing on the actual points made? (btw, just in case I was unclear, I did address your points. I was trying to convey that whether your historical facts are true or not does not matter because it does not matter what the founders intended. They established freedom of religion and the only plausible way, to me, to keep that freedom is to have a secular gov. If there's another way tell me
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 First of all, I am not a communist. A secular nation does not have to be a communist nation (communists tend to be too dogmatic to me anyway). Secondly, I never said I was an atheist either (I am, but my christian friends entirely agree with me on this issue). I find it odd that you see someone who disagrees with one aspect of your political ideology (and I only mentioned one aspect, separation of church and state) and immediately label them a communist.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 I don't need your Marxists schooling Comrade. Whatever a Communist is under your own Personal interpretation is irrelevant, Whatever Christians friends you have is irrelevant since Who the hell are you? Show me where BY LAW the Separation of Religion and Sate is written at? And don't say the 1st Amendment cause is not there. You are a Marxist Padawan Comrade who thinks the Fascist will believe everything you said cause a Marxist told you so? The Game is Chess not Checkers
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
A country's population does not have to be secular for the government to be secular. The government SHOULD be secular, that way they won't make laws aiding their religion (AKA banning gay marriage, banning abortion, and banning stem cell research). This guy is a fucking nut. Take off the make-up and stop reading other people's articles.
Xylogeist 5 months ago
@Xylog And the commies takes the field! Wow! so the Founding Fathers were secular because of gays rights, abortion and stem cell? I did not knew the founding fathers were Eugenicists and Eugenicists are not Secular, they're Darwinian Fanatics, Radicals Marxist. I think instead of telling Fascists how to behave you should realize that the Fascist are not buying your sad stories about gays, abortions, cell reasearch or your Marxist Education, Since when the Marxists gives orders to the Fascists?
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 If you don't know what you are talking about, then shut your damn mouth. There is nothing inherently eugenic, communist, marxist, darwinian, or fanatical about wanting the government to treat ALL creeds and ideas equally. The government should not ban victimless crimes and random "moralized" issues, such as gay marriage and stem cell research. A perfectly libertarian democracy can have an equally distributed government that doesn't condone the actions of any one RELIGION. Idiot.
Xylogeist 5 months ago
@Xylogeist Come and shut my damn mouth Retired Priest, you don't own me! You Marxist think they killed God and want others to see you as the Replacement? Thats the problem you Marxist can get a grasp on, is too late Comrade! The masks are off and we can see you clear enough to rise all the chips in the pot cause your bluff is pitiful. So instead of playing that you are against every religion, is only Christians your target and we are fully aware of it. The Fascist are waiting for your next move.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
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@Xylogeist Come and shut my damn mouth Retired Priest, you don't own me! You Marxist think they killed God and want others to see you as the Replacement? Thats the problem you Marxist can get a grasp on, is too late Comrade! The masks are off and we can see you clear enough to rise all the chips in the pot cause your bluff is pitiful. So instead of playing that you are against every religion, is only Christians your target and we are fully aware of it. The Fascist are waiting for your next move.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 FURTHERMORE, you have no idea what marxist or fascist means do you? Idiot, the marxist theory is the idea that Corporations own all political power in a nation, which is, ironically, EXACTLY what we live in here in America, you dumb fuck. As far as fascism goes, we are fascist in the sense that we basically only have a single party state, since the Dems and Reps always vote on the same thing, SPENDING, while tirtiary parties are thrown under the rug.
Xylogeist 5 months ago
@Xylogeist FURTHERMORE, you have no idea what marxist or fascist means do you? LOL
Whats next? This ain't the droids you're looking for? Ohh how you wish everybody was an idiot and never find out your Marxist Radical World view isn't Retired Priest? The Problem with you Marxists is that you idiots love to write down your intentions towards anybody who disagree with the Marxist Dogma, call it education indoctrinating the Fascists kids paid by the very Fascists taxes you cheap bastards.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45 ... At this point, your responses are comical, please go die, you incoherent fuck.
Xylogeist 5 months ago
@Xylogeist Go and die? and these is the people we want in Power? Thats all you Marxist do, Kill their own, Marxism ain't no different than a Theocracy, is just a Godless Theocracy. What is funny is that these marxist actually think they can intimidate others without a problem. Come and kill me then big boy! Ain't you indistructible? Make sure my ideology is dead with me cause if not, another one will come and another one and another one and another until you have to kill us all Retired Priest.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@Xylogeist Go and die? and these is the people we want in Power? Thats all you Marxist do, Kill their own, Marxism ain't no different than a Theocracy, is just a Godless Theocracy. What is funny is that these marxist actually think they can intimidate others without a problem. Come and kill me then big boy! Ain't you indistructible? Make sure my ideology is dead with me cause if not, another one will come and another one and another one and another until you have to kill us all Retired Priest.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@Xylogeist Go and die? and these is the people we want in Power? Thats all you Marxist do, Kill their own, Marxism ain't no different than a Theocracy, is just a Godless Theocracy. What is funny is that these marxist actually think they can intimidate others without a problem. Come and kill me then big boy! Ain't you indistructible? Make sure my ideology is dead with me cause if not, another one will come and another one and another one and another until you have to kill us all Retired Priest.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
HEY IDIOT, THERE IS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH IN STATE IN THIS COUNTRY. DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN IF WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY? STOP PREACHING YOUR CRAP AND GET A REAL JOB!
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
@TheTruthHurtsAlot3 HEY MARXIST, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN MARXIST SIGNATURE IN THE DOCUMENTS OF THIS COUNTRY. DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO BE A MARXIST SOCIALIST IF WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY? LEAVE YOUR COMMIE SPEECH FOR YOUR REVOLUTION AND LEAVE THE FASCIST TALK ANY CRAP THEY WANT. IS A FREE COUNTRY, NOT CUBA COMRADE.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45
Huh? LOL First of all, I'm NOT a communist. Secondly, I'm talking about religion here. If there is no separation of church and state then that would make this country a theocracy.... oh, kind of like how Iran is you complete idiot
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
@TheTruthHurts What Theocracy?That Fascist Conspiracy Theory?Where is this Separation of Church and State Law written at?The 1st Amendment? Jefferson' letter?Or the Communist Manifesto? Maybe i am an Idiot, but not YOUR idiot Comrade, I think you should be helping your Sacred Marxist Cows with their signs of protest against those Evil Jews in Palestine cause the Fascists are not buying your commie speech anymore Retired Priest, The dissatisfaction against Marxism have reach the boiling point.
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45
You are completely void of knowledge on this subject. Communists (Marxiists) prohibited the practice of ANY religion. The United States promotes freedom of religion--however, not freedom of ONE religion to overhaul the American justice system, society and laws. You are assuming I'm against the practice of religion; hence, this makes you an idiot. I have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and Agnostic friends who practice freely.
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
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@TheBadgeOfThe45
You are completely void of knowledge on this subject. Communists (Marxiists) prohibited the practice of ANY religion. The United States promotes freedom of religion--however, not freedom of ONE religion to overhaul the American justice system, society and laws. You are assuming I'm against the practice of religion; hence, this makes you an idiot. I have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and Agnostic friends who practice freely.
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
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@TheBadgeOfThe45
You are completely void of knowledge on this subject. Communists (Marxiists) prohibited the practice of ANY religion. The United States promotes freedom of religion--however, not freedom of ONE religion to overhaul the American justice system, society and laws. You are assuming I'm against the practice of religion; hence, this makes you an idiot. I have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist and Agnostic friends who practice freely.
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
@TheBadgeOfThe45
The phrase "separation of church and state" expresses an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The First Amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." Ok, so shit for brains, did you hear that? There can be no law respecting the establishment of religion. Hence, Christiany dogma can NEVER be law!
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
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@TheBadgeOfThe45
The phrase "separation of church and state" expresses an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The First Amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." Ok, so shit for brains, did you hear that? There can be no law respecting the establishment of religion. Hence, Christiany dogma can NEVER be law!
TheTruthHurtsAlot3 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 [cont..] enough power to impose their beliefs on those who believe differently. In order to avoid the possibility of that happening it seems like keeping religion and government seperate is the only way.
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
@wwbandgeek4 Jajajaja...what a Commie speech!...good comrade good!.. So the Christians are making you believe in God? Are you under arrest for being an Atheist? Cause Barack Ubammma claim to be a Christian, so was Clinton! and so was every single goddamn President in this Nation, i never seen those Evil Circumcise bible lovers imposing their beliefs on those who believe different? But what i see is a bunch of Marxist imposing their beliefs on others via indoctrination and intimidation. Comrade
TheBadgeOfThe45 5 months ago
@TheAtheistAntidote Could you clarify something for me about this video? Are you arguing against keeping religion out of government? Because no matter what the intentions of the founding fathers were, the establishment clause does require us to keep the two seperate. The establishment clause prohibits government from infringing upon freedom of religion and the only practical way I see to do that is to keep them completely seperate, or else you risk one religion or denomination gaining [cont..]
wwbandgeek4 5 months ago
Why do people debate over what the founders wanted? It's so utterly irrelevant.
Secularism is not good because some founding father wanted it, but because the alternative is so horribly bad.
Timrath 6 months ago
Well, that's one of the problems with cherry-picked data: if that's all you have, it's very easy to believe you have all the answers. Unfortunately, it appears more and more evident that, while you may have all the answers, most of those answers are wrong. The US was also a slaveowning state. You seem to be advocating a return to our roots, and thus are advocating slavery. Of course, CO2 levels have demonstrably risen since 1776. I'm sure the FFs would have disapproved. It's in the bible!
rogerdotlee 6 months ago
"Ratings have been disabled for this video."
Of course they have. You fucking pussy...
SakuNamiChan 6 months ago
Worthless cunt...
SakuNamiChan 6 months ago
Do some more research. We are a secular nation. Its what makes us great. I suppose you think that majority, as you see it, would define us as a christian nation? If the majority of this nation was Islam, would you support it? Saying we are a nation of Islam?
studyhistory2ctruth 6 months ago
Oh, look. Another Christian that doesn't know any better. -sigh-
guthzammysara 6 months ago
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together"
- james madison
sunset261 6 months ago
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State."
-james madison
sunset261 6 months ago
Why are you disabling the ratings on all your new videos? So any new viewers don't know how many people disagree with you, and may take you more seriously?
procritic09 6 months ago
Ad Hom? You mean the ad hominem in your video? Cause half of everything you said in this video is sophist ad hominem.
Gah, I refuted part 2 in the comment section because there was so little material in it anyway, but this video is too much for just comments. I might make a video response instead later (when time permits)
wutdaFU3K 6 months ago
Who cares what the founding fathers wanted? They lived in an entirely different culture.
zeektheawesome 6 months ago
Ok first of all i don't hate god if they rules that where put down in the bible where subjective and in fact good in all views i would love a nation of truthfully just people but that will never happen and you say others feel they "hold the invisible keys to the minds of the founding generation" and if they don't we are to believe you do really
PacifisticAtheist 6 months ago
The actual biblical knowledge of many of these self-professed crusaders of the one true Faith is surprisingly lacking. Could it be the American, conservative rightwing, manifested in Tea Partiers screeching about how 'this is a CHRISTIAN notion', only use the divine name of Christ to cover up their materialistic and egotistic desires in christian piety?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones No...
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 No, what? Please tell me what capitalism, pro-death penalty, the carrying of arms, protesting taxes, nationalism, militarism and opposing the government exactly have to do with the Gospel of Christ? Show me one verse that has Christ supporting 1) capitalism (accumulation of MATERIAL wealth) 2) the death penalty 3) carrying arms 4) nationalism/militarism and 5) opposition to taxes/government.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones That the man made corruptions to the Gospel have evolved over time does not negate the fact that the foundation to functioning society in what is now modern day USA is based upon Judeo/Christian tradition. Point out where the Gospel forbids wealth accumulation. Christ used a weapon to drive the money lenders from the temple.
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 Check out Matthew 6:16-29, Luke 14:33 and Luke 16:13. It's not about forbidding, it is about consistency. I understand one gets easy points by calling Obama a satanic communist, and that in order to 'moralize' ones own political position all you have to do is throw the name of Jesus around, but that's only varnish. Let's get down to the nitty gritty. A christian nation? Really?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones A nation founded by Christians, based upon their religious practices.
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 Practices like? Making material and financial profit?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones No...Practices like respecting one another and working hard to support oneself.
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 Please tell me what working to support yourself has to do with making PROFIT? The first christians worked to support themselves but did not make a profit (Acts 4:32-5:11). Capitalism does not mean simply 'working to support yourself'. Capitalism stands or falls with the concept of making a PROFIT.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones What's wrong with profit?
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 In essence, nothing. But it is rather hypocritical to pass your movement (or country) of as 'christian' when the Gospel is pretty clear: accumulating material wealth is not what Christ was about. At all... Ironically, things like universal health care, vehemently opposed by the Tea Party, are way more in line with the teaching of Christ.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones hmmmm - I couldn't find anything in the Bible that said, "Take from the diligent in order to support others," but I did find this: Proverbs 10:4
Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth.
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 That is because you are adhering to the tried-and-true conservative illusion that 'work automatically equals wealth'. People are working their asses off everyday, my friend, and that literally for pennies. Again: this has nothing to do with accumulating material wealth. Furthermore, as you Tea Partiers are tight above all with Jesus, please quote Jesus as stating anything that is even remotely viable as an endorsement of capitalism. Just one.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones So now a proverb from the Bible is an "illusion." OK - well we know where you stand. I won't find an endorsement of capitalism from Jesus - he was about spirituality - he steered clear of politics. Of course I won't find a condemnation of capitalism either....
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 Don't be dishonest. You know what Proverbs states. You know that. It has nothing whatsoever to do with this 'free market capitalism profit-making' scheme that the Tea partiers hold so dear. And yes, if you think that by working your ass off you'll automatically get rich, you live in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Oh - now it's what "Proverbs" states - not Jesus - which is it? I already quoted Proverbs: Lazy hands make for poverty, but diligent hands bring wealth. I'm not saying that if you work wealth comes automatically. If you don't work - what are the chances? Besides you miss the point. If you work - you immediately become rich - rich in the feeling of self-reliance and independence and thrift. A richness of spirit that money can't buy. That's what Jesus taught...
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 Oh really? I hardly think that's why Tea Partiers are so obsessed with capitalism. Again: show me one verse where Christ is even remotely endorsing the concept of making a material profit. Mind you: this does not mean 'work'. This means: making a material PROFIT.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones For if a man gains the world, but loses his soul what good is it? To lose one's soul - to sellout - for gain is pointless...But there is nothing wrong with HONEST gain - this is the lesson Jesus teaches...
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2 So, you say Jesus taught that it is OK to increase your material wealth?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@marklross2 So, you say Jesus taught that it is OK to increase your material wealth?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 6 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Yes - provided that you don't loser your soul in doing so - and that you are prepared to give up all your wealth in His name...
marklross2 6 months ago
@marklross2
"that you are prepared to give up all your wealth in His name..."
Yes, let me guess, prepared to give up all your wealth once you're dead and have no use for it anymore?
LOL what a pathetic rationalization.
"When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." LUKE 18:22
Now, eternal reward or your life's savings. Which is more important to you?
MegaSensimilla 6 months ago