at 4:17: Key Point: Bernie Sanders asks Bernanke "You are providing loans at almost 0% interest rates to large financial institutions who are the charging consumers 25% or 30% interest rates to consumers on their credit cards?" "Do you think that that's acceptable or do you think that those institutions that are receiving help from the Fed should substantially cut those interest rates?"
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At the end of each week, the public will vote on who is to be kicked off the show. The person voted out will then, run up the stairs to freedom, but before the final doors open, a special rope will be placed around their neck, in a mock freemasonic ritual. The final doors will then open up from below their feet, much to their surprise, but not to ours, as this happens every week. Applying for the show will be automatic for anyone found guilty under HR 1207 and S 604. regardless of denomination.
once HR 1207 and S 604 have passed we can be assured that Madoff wont be lonely. We can build a special prison for them all called A. Universal. Special. Care. Home. With. Inbuilt. Television. Zoo. This will be broadcast 24/7 showing the washing of underpants, interrogations in the big brother chair, and all the other antics of the inmates. A very secure prison from which there will be no parole, will be simulcasted, on all media, and go by the name of its acronym. A.U.S.C.H.W.I.T.Z.
"so the money we borrow from the bank is our own money? "
NO!!!
That's the whole point lol. The Federal reserve is a PRIVATE bank. They print the dollar bills out of thin air. The the US Treasury borrows it at interest.
This is the best video on You Tube. It is historically important. Because those of us who have done the needed research know, that this is a Usury scam and nothing less than a total takeover of the United States by Foreign interest private banking interests.
Google: (the crisis of credit visualized). Don't watch it on here because it's all chopped up into pieces. It explains everything in layman's terms to where a five year old can understand it.
Then go to Hulu and search for: (House of Cards CNBC). Great stuff for a mainstream report. Of course they don't go into the hardcore shit but at least they're covering it.
Getting rid of the Glass-Steagall Act was a big mistake. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act allowed banks to offer investment, commercial banking, and insurance services. The FED loaned(actually gave the unaccounted money) certain special interest banks to buy out banks, financial co., and insurance co. which were mainly overseas. TARP 1= $387 billion. $100 million was used for US loans. Most of the rest of TARP 1 was used to buy OVER SEAS banks. Economy collapsing and banks are buying out the world.
Nobody will telling jokes about this when the dollar goes into the shitter, and they call it a federal reserve note, HA HA. It should be called an expensive looking piece of toilet paper, Kiss This American's Economy GOODBYE!
you idiot -- that's called a Greek key; it's not a swastika.
The Greek key is a decoraiton that goes back 2000 years, and was used all over the place by the Romans as well. The US uses thousands of Roman decorations because it is a republic. Idiot.
Youre so naïve. Unlike the carving behind the senator, a Greek key design does NOT have swastikas in it. The association with the Roman Empire is because the US has the same colonial world-dominating aspirations. The Nazis also used many RE emblems. The point is that a swastika is an occult symbol representing power and supremacy but can also depict a broken cross: worldly power and supremacy is given to those who break the cross (i.e. Christianity).
Ahh..all he got was a luke-warm verbal reprimand, by an impotent old geezer. So fucking what! The Federal Reserve is still robbing us blind! You dumb-fucks! That's like some decrepit, old security guard giving a verbal warning to the guys who have you tied up, while they rape your children and you Sheep applaud the daring verbose and veracity of the old man's valor. You people make me sick!
He won't say because most of it went to banks in foreign countries, including South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, and European countries.
One bank in little Denmark got $30 Billion.
Imagine how the American people would react if they knew $30 Billion of their money went to a bank in Denmark while there was a debate in congress about $20 Billion for the American auto industry, and foreign banks are getting taxpayer dollars cheap while some Americans pay 25% to 30% credit card interest.
I do agree with Bernanke that these are not risky loans, as most of them are guaranteed by the foreign governments, but that wouldn't do much to dampen the anger of Americans if Bernanke was forced to tell the truth.
Also, the figure is much higher than $2 Trillion, being closer to $9 Trillion.
also just checked the feds website, cant see anywhere where it states which companies have been given the money?! if someone can find it please can you message me. Thanks in advance
He was obviously lying and avoiding the issue. This man is the devil and I loved seeing Senator Sanders take him to school. Bernanke started stuttering like a little bitch!
"No good deed is done in secrecy or private"!! FACT!. They wont say where the money has gone that for me says it all, its not going where it should. Hang on to your seats ladies and gentlemen as we are in for one heck of a turbulant ride. God Bless you
We need more Sanders' in this world, can't we see what is goin on? The debt is HUGE! Why has all the money off the world, LITTERALY, just got printed again? Can't we see this is just making it worse? Why not invest in the REAL economy such as middleclass businesses who need it the most. Bernanke is a big piece of scam, Ron Paul for president. Revolution!
His face had a dark evil look on it. (Bernanke). Lies.. Go get em Senator Sanders, you've got guts. About time someone put them in their place!!! God help us, we need more like him.
The congress gave the privately owned Fed a big bag of cash to do with it what they want, with no oversight and I bet this guy voted yes. If Bernanke wants to give billions to his buddies privately he legally can.
It really is interesting that he can't explain or answer this:
His organization takes money from the people, lends it to banks for free. Those banks then lend that money back to the people that it was taken from, and charge them 30% interest on it.
In other words, they take your money from you, then expect you to ask for it back at a price.
Interesting how Chairman Bernanke said that he believes that pay and job tenure should depend on job performance. If that's the case, why is he still the Chairman?
bernie talks a good game sometimes then votes for the criminal obama stimulus takeover. he is a socialists and will cower to anything that leans toward commieville. give me a break bernie stalin.
Bernanke is propping up failing banks that ought to fail so that the stronger banks can get their customers and survive, but all Sanders cares about is that corporations in his state can get some of the pork?
They are both idiots.
Let the bad banks go broke. Other banks will buy them up, just as WAMU was in Washington State.
No corp. should get bailouts from the taxpayer. There should be no corporate welfare.
The government is making this recession in to a depression.
Hey Ben, tell me how Bernie's ass taste because you got owned. There's no doubt in my mind these guys are criminals and sadly they will never be prosecuted and sent to the slammer to be Bubba's boy toy.
However, I can take solace in the fact that Helicopter Ben is going to go down as one of the worst Fed Chairmans in US history, and to these guys that means a lot.
Vermont you should stand proud tonight. Sen. Bernie Sanders is a true patriot. This is not the time to talk Dem. vs Rep. and what each has done or not done. We need to be way past that. This country's financial situation is getting worse daily. We need accountability, at all levels. The arrogance of Bernanke is typical of most Congressmen and Senators and even our new President ( whom I voted for since Ron Paul was not on the ballon in Pennsylvania ). That was a big mistake as it turns out.
moron.choosing lesser of 2 evils and now you have the balls to whine ooo things are bad. When there were more awesome people you could have voted for besdies what the retarded media was giving you.You just wait to see how much less the lesser of the 2 evils really is. peace SHEEP.
Bernie has identified as a socialist at some point or another in his life. In terms of his political career I have much respect for his dedication to accountability maybe he can help live by example and redefine the ignorance that accompany socialist reforms, most specifically accountability.
bernanke is smooth as a snake in all his responses.
He's sitting pretty.
TheMysticFiles 3 weeks ago
checkout my 12/21/12 vids everybody
TheTrieye 1 month ago
They are killing europe with their false monopoly money !
imaginalex 1 month ago
Sanders is retarded the Federal Reserve uses its own money.... well prints its own.
The only times th Fed gets money from tax payers when the government pays it back.
Salvysahagun 3 months ago
And now we know it wasn't 2.2 trillion after all. It was 12.3 trillion.
FireAndFlames 1 year ago
Federal Reserve/Neo Cons/Zionists/Elite bankers, etc.. These are the people who are controlling this Country!!!!
Wake up America and free yourselves from the shackles
apical5view 1 year ago
Goddamit...now i have to vote for Bernie...AGAIN!!!
Blueslide 1 year ago
at 4:17: Key Point: Bernie Sanders asks Bernanke "You are providing loans at almost 0% interest rates to large financial institutions who are the charging consumers 25% or 30% interest rates to consumers on their credit cards?" "Do you think that that's acceptable or do you think that those institutions that are receiving help from the Fed should substantially cut those interest rates?"
Bernanke
KittyReporter 1 year ago 2
Sir Evelyn Rothschild 2:1 on favourite for being kicked out of the house first, but David Rockefeller, George Bush Snr, Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney are all dark horses at evens, for house eviction. Register your vote for eviction at All Day 24/7 Seeing Eye. Payback Time. Thank the Lord. Com. The final doors will be opened by our special guest and hero of the Wakey Wakey Dumb Sheeple Wars, the honourable Mr. Ron Paul,who will be able assisted by Alex Jones. In case he cant pull the handle.
markscott7777777 2 years ago
At the end of each week, the public will vote on who is to be kicked off the show. The person voted out will then, run up the stairs to freedom, but before the final doors open, a special rope will be placed around their neck, in a mock freemasonic ritual. The final doors will then open up from below their feet, much to their surprise, but not to ours, as this happens every week. Applying for the show will be automatic for anyone found guilty under HR 1207 and S 604. regardless of denomination.
markscott7777777 2 years ago
once HR 1207 and S 604 have passed we can be assured that Madoff wont be lonely. We can build a special prison for them all called A. Universal. Special. Care. Home. With. Inbuilt. Television. Zoo. This will be broadcast 24/7 showing the washing of underpants, interrogations in the big brother chair, and all the other antics of the inmates. A very secure prison from which there will be no parole, will be simulcasted, on all media, and go by the name of its acronym. A.U.S.C.H.W.I.T.Z.
markscott7777777 2 years ago
Bernanke, " Please dont hang me " No ! Swing.
markscott7777777 2 years ago
Sanders is bashing Bernanke for all its worth. The worst problem is a lack of adequate disclosure that would reveal the situation more clearly.
00AgentMan 2 years ago
Bernanke speaks with a forked tongue just like 99 percent of all politicians and bankers
RevoltAgainstTheNWO 2 years ago
sen sanders is one of three noble politicians who doesn't deserve to be tortured!
sherpaswami 2 years ago 2
ben bernanke must be on weed or hes got sleep less nights...
look at his eyes
gutrp 2 years ago
so the money we borrow from the bank is our own money?
unicron24 2 years ago
"so the money we borrow from the bank is our own money? "
NO!!!
That's the whole point lol. The Federal reserve is a PRIVATE bank. They print the dollar bills out of thin air. The the US Treasury borrows it at interest.
its a scam
phospheneca 2 years ago
thanks for the intel.
unicron24 2 years ago
This is the best video on You Tube. It is historically important. Because those of us who have done the needed research know, that this is a Usury scam and nothing less than a total takeover of the United States by Foreign interest private banking interests.
lowtechresistance 2 years ago
Call up your reps to support HR 1207 an S513!
Kapan60 2 years ago 4
They don't wish to make things public because there is a cover up.The feds ponzi scheme makes Madoff look like a piker
cincinnatusnow 2 years ago 3
Call your reps to support HR1207 and S513
Audit the Fed.
Ben thinks we should have more oversight of financial institutions, lets give it to him...
mkauai2 2 years ago 3
Google: (the crisis of credit visualized). Don't watch it on here because it's all chopped up into pieces. It explains everything in layman's terms to where a five year old can understand it.
Then go to Hulu and search for: (House of Cards CNBC). Great stuff for a mainstream report. Of course they don't go into the hardcore shit but at least they're covering it.
chkdg8 2 years ago
Getting rid of the Glass-Steagall Act was a big mistake. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act allowed banks to offer investment, commercial banking, and insurance services. The FED loaned(actually gave the unaccounted money) certain special interest banks to buy out banks, financial co., and insurance co. which were mainly overseas. TARP 1= $387 billion. $100 million was used for US loans. Most of the rest of TARP 1 was used to buy OVER SEAS banks. Economy collapsing and banks are buying out the world.
bbnemesis123 2 years ago 2
listen to bens voice hes lying hes got too much tremble in his voice
carcrusher420 2 years ago 2
Yup and he also pauses, stutters, and looks up and to the right. It is Fact that liars do this when under duress.
lowtechresistance 2 years ago
what a cynical c*nt bernanke is ... yuck . ..
eggnoggerino 2 years ago
Gotta love that swastika in the background... they put this shit right in our faces!
creat3d 2 years ago 2
I thought I was the only one! It is backwards but it is most def in the woodwork behind him!
I didn't want to say anything but someone else saw it!
lowtechresistance 2 years ago 2
Nobody will telling jokes about this when the dollar goes into the shitter, and they call it a federal reserve note, HA HA. It should be called an expensive looking piece of toilet paper, Kiss This American's Economy GOODBYE!
BablyonsKing 2 years ago
Bernanke was just BITCH SLAPPED!!!
deepwater1974 2 years ago 2
I was shocked to see that Berine is a democratic socialist.. WTF is that?
Also whats ironic is the Bernies father family was killed in the holocaust and they make him sit behind the swasitka molding.
DC is FULL of symbolisim just google it.
wattsun 2 years ago
swastikas were around before the Nazis, they didn't own it.
burlearth 2 years ago
you idiot -- that's called a Greek key; it's not a swastika.
The Greek key is a decoraiton that goes back 2000 years, and was used all over the place by the Romans as well. The US uses thousands of Roman decorations because it is a republic. Idiot.
flakbastard 2 years ago
Youre so naïve. Unlike the carving behind the senator, a Greek key design does NOT have swastikas in it. The association with the Roman Empire is because the US has the same colonial world-dominating aspirations. The Nazis also used many RE emblems. The point is that a swastika is an occult symbol representing power and supremacy but can also depict a broken cross: worldly power and supremacy is given to those who break the cross (i.e. Christianity).
Marco68Polo 2 years ago 3
Besides the swastika was not known to the world as evil until Hitler used it. It was originally an oriental sign used to represent good luck.
bangushard 2 years ago
A Greek Key that just so happens to be in similar to the shape of swasitkas..?
wattsun 2 years ago
l- all I heard were crooks and cowards
FluorideIsBadForYou2 2 years ago
what a bunch of idiots- fucking shit man
FluorideIsBadForYou2 2 years ago
bernanke... what a kaaaahnt
simsZW 2 years ago
go bernie
bumpdchunk 2 years ago
Sanders with the TKO in that round.
The swastika on the wall is no mere happenstance by the way. We are ruled.
blackblade789 2 years ago 3
Shit man, I didn't even notice that! But then again, why should I be suprised when the Fascia are on either side of the speakers podium.
BadBoyTroy69 2 years ago
bernanke know that he work for the dark side. Just look at his gesture and voice at the end. Dark things are done in under darkness.
ENJOYOURMATRIXX 2 years ago 2
What the hell is with the swastika?
Look at Bernanke's face at the very end.
NewWorldOklahoma 2 years ago
the federal reserve is illegal anyway
the fed is a bunch of crooks and want to destroy Americas economy
watch Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo on Google video
FluorideIsBadForYou2 2 years ago 3
Fuck you Bernanke
FluorideIsBadForYou2 2 years ago 3
Bernanke is like man I want to destroy Americas economy-
FluorideIsBadForYou2 2 years ago 2
Man that dude from vermont should roll up his sleaves and beat the piss out of that lying rat Bernanke.
Darlowe 2 years ago 5
Ahh..all he got was a luke-warm verbal reprimand, by an impotent old geezer. So fucking what! The Federal Reserve is still robbing us blind! You dumb-fucks! That's like some decrepit, old security guard giving a verbal warning to the guys who have you tied up, while they rape your children and you Sheep applaud the daring verbose and veracity of the old man's valor. You people make me sick!
n0x23 2 years ago 2
Yeah, he needs to take some lessons from George Galloway on grilling people like Bernanke about the truth.
Watch "The Best Testimony of The 21st Century"
EchelonMonitor 2 years ago
i know i cant spell ,so dont be haten...
NukeMePlz 2 years ago
look at the swaztica on the wall behind bernie sanders,arbeit macht frei.
NukeMePlz 2 years ago
Right on I see the swaztica - that is great-
FluorideIsBadForYou2 2 years ago
He won't say because most of it went to banks in foreign countries, including South Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, and European countries.
One bank in little Denmark got $30 Billion.
Imagine how the American people would react if they knew $30 Billion of their money went to a bank in Denmark while there was a debate in congress about $20 Billion for the American auto industry, and foreign banks are getting taxpayer dollars cheap while some Americans pay 25% to 30% credit card interest.
EchelonMonitor 2 years ago
I do agree with Bernanke that these are not risky loans, as most of them are guaranteed by the foreign governments, but that wouldn't do much to dampen the anger of Americans if Bernanke was forced to tell the truth.
Also, the figure is much higher than $2 Trillion, being closer to $9 Trillion.
EchelonMonitor 2 years ago
END THE FED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tak1024 2 years ago 3
this guy always has a smirk on face, Im pret sure he will be on alot of patriots list to get rid off.
wtflol420 2 years ago
also just checked the feds website, cant see anywhere where it states which companies have been given the money?! if someone can find it please can you message me. Thanks in advance
perfectioninheaven 2 years ago
He was obviously lying and avoiding the issue. This man is the devil and I loved seeing Senator Sanders take him to school. Bernanke started stuttering like a little bitch!
SgtTravisBickle 2 years ago
One way to some up what they are doing!
"No good deed is done in secrecy or private"!! FACT!. They wont say where the money has gone that for me says it all, its not going where it should. Hang on to your seats ladies and gentlemen as we are in for one heck of a turbulant ride. God Bless you
perfectioninheaven 2 years ago 2
bernanke is scum
damonsecloro 2 years ago 2
We need more Sanders' in this world, can't we see what is goin on? The debt is HUGE! Why has all the money off the world, LITTERALY, just got printed again? Can't we see this is just making it worse? Why not invest in the REAL economy such as middleclass businesses who need it the most. Bernanke is a big piece of scam, Ron Paul for president. Revolution!
HoruSisSerious 2 years ago
Sanders just needs to do his homework--why didn't he know the figure was $9 Trillion and most of the money is going to foreign banks?
EchelonMonitor 2 years ago
Sanders was refering to a specific 2.2 trillion dollar program. Not to totally cost of bailouts which is now OVER 10 Trillion.
peace and love
cooljj82 2 years ago 2
Bernie just bitch-slapped Ben.
ORPHANWORKS 2 years ago
lol look at those bags under bernanke's eyes- hes been losing sleep.
haychex 2 years ago
Colonel Sanders owned that piece of trash!!!! And he makes a mighty fine chicken sandwich as well... but the fries are always soggy.
BmoreStyles 2 years ago
His face had a dark evil look on it. (Bernanke). Lies.. Go get em Senator Sanders, you've got guts. About time someone put them in their place!!! God help us, we need more like him.
ddiiaa52 2 years ago 3
The congress gave the privately owned Fed a big bag of cash to do with it what they want, with no oversight and I bet this guy voted yes. If Bernanke wants to give billions to his buddies privately he legally can.
acrosby11 2 years ago
Sanders has a great point -- why are we paying 30% interest through loans on Taxpayer money!
What a bunch of bullshit eh?
ToobeYoo 2 years ago 4
HERO!
mystikast 2 years ago
haha bernanke got raped in this interview of pwntage :D
eccentricity00 2 years ago 3
HERO!!
chelsica 2 years ago
Ha! Take that Bernanke you scum
ninznormandeau 2 years ago 4
It really is interesting that he can't explain or answer this:
His organization takes money from the people, lends it to banks for free. Those banks then lend that money back to the people that it was taken from, and charge them 30% interest on it.
In other words, they take your money from you, then expect you to ask for it back at a price.
thunderhead777 2 years ago 6
Interesting how Chairman Bernanke said that he believes that pay and job tenure should depend on job performance. If that's the case, why is he still the Chairman?
thunderhead777 2 years ago 3
END THE FED! America was most prosperous without it! The value of the dollar doubled in 50 years! 1820's - 1913!
cooljj82 2 years ago 4
@ 1:08
The information is NOT on the website.
ultimaspirit 2 years ago
Absolutely beautiful. The rest of Congress should take their cues from this Senator.
thunderhead777 2 years ago 3
Is it just me or does this remind anyone else of Steinbrenner going off on Costanza?
Finally more people are holding the Fed's feet to the fire.
Gonzo707 2 years ago
fuckin pwnd
syndrah 2 years ago
We wouldn't have this problem if we had more Sens like Sanders working for us.
hdtwoodsman 2 years ago 2
Check out the Swastika behind Sanders.
WhiteQueen420 2 years ago
I wish Ron Paul were as harsh as this. I your reading this Dr. Paul, please take notes!
jrabsig84 2 years ago 3
It's easy to rip on Bernanke but this whole deal could have been a whole lot worse without the fed looking back at 1929.
jpbalkenende 2 years ago
lol 4:59. I almost feel sorry for Mr Bernanke
adrian170790 2 years ago
Eff the criminal Bernanke.... Arrest him now! He lied earlier in this interview.
Damn!
matrixxx123456789 2 years ago
bernie talks a good game sometimes then votes for the criminal obama stimulus takeover. he is a socialists and will cower to anything that leans toward commieville. give me a break bernie stalin.
DennyMclain2008 2 years ago
Go Bernie go. I bet this won't make it on Fox news, just more hate the mother of 8 stories instead.
jxh261 2 years ago
I have never heard so much double-speak since i read 1984.
rundoetx 2 years ago
Bernanke is propping up failing banks that ought to fail so that the stronger banks can get their customers and survive, but all Sanders cares about is that corporations in his state can get some of the pork?
They are both idiots.
Let the bad banks go broke. Other banks will buy them up, just as WAMU was in Washington State.
No corp. should get bailouts from the taxpayer. There should be no corporate welfare.
The government is making this recession in to a depression.
freesk8 2 years ago
Hey Ben, tell me how Bernie's ass taste because you got owned. There's no doubt in my mind these guys are criminals and sadly they will never be prosecuted and sent to the slammer to be Bubba's boy toy.
However, I can take solace in the fact that Helicopter Ben is going to go down as one of the worst Fed Chairmans in US history, and to these guys that means a lot.
phd1969 2 years ago
bernanke is sanders bitch! lol he talks to him like a child.
Justice4all311 2 years ago
bernanke is a damn criminal, high high props to bernie sanders...as usual,
jliddymusic 2 years ago 3
Wow, I love Bernie. He has NUTS AND bERNAKE, IS nuts!
skepticalinquier 2 years ago
Vermont you should stand proud tonight. Sen. Bernie Sanders is a true patriot. This is not the time to talk Dem. vs Rep. and what each has done or not done. We need to be way past that. This country's financial situation is getting worse daily. We need accountability, at all levels. The arrogance of Bernanke is typical of most Congressmen and Senators and even our new President ( whom I voted for since Ron Paul was not on the ballon in Pennsylvania ). That was a big mistake as it turns out.
honkersdd 2 years ago 3
moron.choosing lesser of 2 evils and now you have the balls to whine ooo things are bad. When there were more awesome people you could have voted for besdies what the retarded media was giving you.You just wait to see how much less the lesser of the 2 evils really is. peace SHEEP.
dapoazeez 2 years ago
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Bernanke, the extortionist has weaved a web of deceipt. He, is a fool.
taznruby 2 years ago
Bernanke, the extortionist has weaved a web of deceipt. He, is a fool.
taznruby 2 years ago
This is a HUGE question, however I bet it will go unnoticed by mainstream media. Look out Fed, People are WAKING UP!
thenodnarb 2 years ago 3
Where is the politician of "CHANGE?"
MARCUS3XTV 2 years ago 2
Bernanke looks like such a smug asshole. He should be arrested and the Fed should be shut down cause they're all a bunch of criminals.
cobra75410 2 years ago
Bernie has identified as a socialist at some point or another in his life. In terms of his political career I have much respect for his dedication to accountability maybe he can help live by example and redefine the ignorance that accompany socialist reforms, most specifically accountability.
HullHouseProductions 2 years ago
Hahaha that senator has balls! LOL But everybody knows that AIG=criminals
madcatzy 2 years ago
let it be known that the public whipping has not gone out of style
Dameskinos 2 years ago 3
I hope this crisis is over with when it's all done and said!!!
kascnef82 2 years ago
Hope we can believe in? I don't think so
puppetjaw 2 years ago 5