Some people are claiming that it would be impossible to train horses without bits and spurs and that Nevzorov wouldn't be able to do that on a horse that was not pre-trained using bits and spurs. Is that true, or are his horses truly trained without such tacks?
@sky if i some1 can train horses much better than u do. i reli can say He is the god of horses.. how the hell did you train your horses like this.. can u talk to them..
This is a very good demonstration of the fact that you need to ask a horse to do something not force him to. Riding with a bit should be the same thing. I think to train a horse like this you have to spend every waking moment with them. Unfortunalty unemployement and horses doesn't go well together! I am sure you could go one step further and ask the horse to do these movements with voice commands! Would love to try it anyone prepared to sponsor me?!
Its not just the ears that tells you are horse is angry. Here the horse is concentrating thats why he has his ears are towards the rear. If a horse is angry the ears will be flat back, his eyes will be angry and his head out and forward. Its not the case here.
I'm not dissing this guy at all. I'm going to get thumbs down just because im stating the obvious,but this dude DOES use tack. He trains the horse with it,then takes it off.
I totally agree!!! There are pictures proving this and in one of the videos posted you can see reins that they couldn't edit out. Actually search Anti Nevzorov I think the pictures are up here on youtube! But in all regards I think it is very possible to train how he trains.
please, use this beautiful art, this connection with the horse and share it with the world. do not hate those that do the wrong thing, but teach them to do the right thing. i think your work is close to perfection, the way it is meant to be, and i believe one day we will know this, but now, teach those who do not know any better, help the horse by drawing those who need the help and showing them a better way.
Even though I don't own a horse, I do try to work like this with horses. It shows the best results, but is hard. Once i get my own horse, this is the way things will be, even if i can be as amazing as this guy, or the horse whispers. If only people could see horses in this amzing way. I sometimes wish taht we could all use horses instead of cars lol. That would be fun.
That comment was like 10 months back, why are you bothering to be so rude now when I never even said anything rude to you in the first place?
Its pretty clear that I didn't red your comment correctly, but I was still not rude to you so its only polite to display the same manners I did to you.
Take note, horses are herd animals, they need to know who is in charge. I believe these horses know their instructors are above them and thus will do anything for them. Let it be known this is not the ONLY way to train a horse. Though it uses little to no man made tools, which is good for the horse, a horse can in fact be "gentled". Humans just need to bond with them.
I have mixed feelings about this... First, I think this man is a very talented and sympathetic horseman. He has achieved wonders without the use of a bit, which is fab. BUT I do not think, that in gentle hands, the bit is cruel. Also a lot of these horses had pinned ears for most of the vid, what's going on there?
what is going on is called 'game'. Yes it's quite tense but NEVER agressive, he appeals to horse's natural energy, strength and temper (though exactly HOT temper is more preferable..) . Game is the way to teach horse to HE movements as all of them are ABSOLUTELY natural for horse because 1) the horse is under NO physical control, 2) the horse does them itself but the Master only fits them to perfection.
but sometimes you can see very complicated elements, which could be hard for a wild horse to do at once... the key is the following - the horse is taught to do definite elemnts ALLOWED in its age and physical form (which is extremely important!) and all of the develop horse physically and also mentally.
if you learn a bit more about horse communication, you will understand about the pinned ears. the ears generally go in the direction of the horse's focus. remember, horses aren't ppl, and what looks like a 'sour' face to us, means a totally different thing to the horse.
The comment below is posted in response to 'horsesandjesus' fallacious comment "He teaches them with a bit spurs and whip along with the cordeo until he only has to use the Cordeo!!!"
This is an untruth based on ten-year-old photos of Nevzorov before he began training bitless and spurless. In the present day, he trains without bit, bridle, spurs, or even halter. The whip is used in its proper function, as an extension of the rider's body, and is never used to punish, but only to touch the horse to give specific signals for certain moves.
I hear in for instance in Russia that their are no bitless classes and everyone traines the Traditional way. Bits are a must and you are not allowed to even show bitless. Training infers Forcing the horse to collect with harsh bits, side reins ,etc. believe me it is way different here in America. We have more freedoms. If we want to show bitless we can we even have a whole bunch of classes devoted to showing bitless and we even have bareback classes.We have vet's that check the horses.
Well, in Russia I hear it's very bad over there. They beat the horse with whips jerk and pull on their mouth's. They torture the horses to just get money and fame etc. Also like racing for instance steeplechasing horses are constantly getting broken legs dying and not only the horses the riders also. He hate's the whole training program and treatment of the horses.
Yeah your right we Americans have the option of showing without bits and we even have bridleless classes.They are very popular these days. But responding to gfhhst: No. In no means am I saying that one country is cruel and one is not because it happens everywhere in the world. I have worked in training barns here in America and it isn't much different. We have many animal right organization that ensure that no harsh treatment goes on at shows.
America has strict laws for humans who abuse their horse or any animals. Hear in America you get a big fine and/or 1 year in jail. Shows in America have to have a veterinarian present to check horses health and if they feel the horse is in pain etc. They have the power to say you can't show.And if the horse is really bad they can call the cops and your horse gets confisated and the owner or the one abusing the horse goes to jail.
Holy cow! What shows do you attend? I see lame, over-lunged, sore and sour horses with way too much hardware with lousy, insensitive riders who go all the way to the winner's circle routinely. It's shameful. I've never heard of a horse being confiscated. Worst I've heard of in terms of retribution is gossip which hasn't stop any one of these money-grubbing trainers.
Well, I attened a horse auction once where the owners were ticketed and threatened. This has happened on many occasions.And yes I have seen the other half you are talking about also! I have worked in trainer's barn's and seen stallions who charge and try to bite people from being locked up in stalls 24/7 and people totrure like soring in the Big Lick shows there horses to just get win! Like in Eventing or Endurance Riding if the horse isn't deemed healthy they are disqualified!
A1 totally agree. same here in Aus. even ppl who THINK they're practicing so called 'natural' horsemanship more often than not use some kind of force. i see that kind of thing all the time as well. just because a horse is capable of something (like running a steeplechase marathon), it doesn't mean they can do so without harm to their mental or physical state - long or short term, present of ruture.
a fine for mentally scarring a living animal? hardly seems 'just' to me. the reality is, the law doesn't recognize things like the misuse of bits or other equipment as cruelty. you would REALLY have to lay into a horse in a public place to have any sort of consiquences, and even then it's hard to persecuite someone on an animal cruelty charge. the law can't enforce that person not to keep animals in the future, and VERY RARELY is it able to remove a horse from a person's custidy without consent.
NHE is on his way to get extrem.....to extrem, it is not more about horses, as they pretend, it is about NHE and Mr. Alexander Nevzorov that you never have to question !
And so they try to gather and to keep only folks that follow him and his doctrins almost blind and without thinking.
no we dont gather people. we tell people about him.. and then if they wish to know more they find out... :/ and for goodness sake look at the forum .. the whole things about horses .. what a ridiculas thing to say that we dont think. my god.. what aload of rubbish. we all could leave the forum if we wanted.. but we enjoy this new way of being with our horses... so we dont leave.. we want to find out more and learn more.. and achieve an even better bond with our Horses. (see its all aba horses)
They are predictable retard you just have to know how to read them, they use body language. If you think your horse is so unpredictable maybe you should think twice about owing one. Of course they can be dangerous just as any other animal, or when in the wrong hands. I'm not implying anything just giving my opionion.
because it trusts him.. so isnt in a rush to get up from lieng down. he never said that sitting was natural. it just shows that they have a wonderful trust in eavhover and that the horse trusts him enough to sit while he stands next to him.. without trying to get up in a rush like most horses would do, it obviouslee doesnt feel threatened by him. which is a good thing :)
I think he does a good job at what he does, like stacey Westfall. however, not all people have not only the time and knowledge to do this, but not all horses CAN do this.
Like people, not all can do mental math. its also sad that alot of ppl who can teach you to do this are very rude and only want it done there way and will only want to teach you if your willing to commit and follow them to greatness. its sad. but there are many ways to train and to do this.
Tigers and horses are two different animals duh! Tigers are natural predators,carnivores , their natural tendencies must be remembered. As horses on the other had are more domesticated and predictable.
lets get serious here. horses are not predictable. and can still be just as vicous as any tiger, more deaths result each year from horse related incidents than from tigers. duh!
idiot horses are predictable,they are not vicious animals anyone who owns horses will probaly agree with me. Of course there would be a larger amount of deaths when their are alot of reckless owners who dont care about the safety that comes with owning a horse. Get your facts straight.
just a fun fact...about deaths...did you know that there are more DEATHS from cocoanuts than SHARK ATTACKS in hawaii.? They fall on people's heads...=/
Kaogi is VERY beautiful. Nevsorov isn't that bad either! I must remember to worship the teachings and not the teacher at all times lol!
For those of you who want to know, on the NHE site there is information about the purchase of the film The Horse Crucified and Reborn. You write to the distributor, and she will put you in touch with a local distributor. I had the film in three days! It is very beautiful! Very informative. Russian with English subtitles.
And now it seems that I must change my forever dressage name, and learn to type Nevsorov with more attentin to detail. Thank you.
If you know, I have a question I would like to have answered. What do you do if a horse needs veterinary proceedures that might be painful. How do you avoid breaking the trust?
Also, where can I find more videos? I have purchased The Horse Crucified and Reborn. Can you tell me how to locate more.
My horse is very clear about which people he trusts & which ones he doesn't trust or respect. Horses don't lie: people do. And in the horse business, most of the professionals chose that profession 'cause they think horses' don't "tell" - they do. If a procedure hurts, most horses seem to understand when something is being done for their welfare, as long as they're not abused while being handled, I don't think they loose trust.
oh yes they do loose trust..... But when it happens - it's the greatest shame to all humans to make this endlessly honest, faithful and Sooo defencless(;() creature into such a life.....
Another fabulous video about Nevsorov! I have been riding for many many years and I too respect Podhajski as my trainer learned from him. But now it is time to take everything a step higher. There are more things on heaven and earth...We need to learn them. I have thrown away bits and spurs and bridles. They will have no further use in my life.
(Nevzorov) "The relationship with horse shows how low, ignorant and stupid can be a human. OR on the contrary, BRAVE, LIGHT AND NOBLE he can be ." Great thanks to you and those who are like you for learning to a human in the best way if its meaning !!!
He wudn't train someone's horse for them, the whole idea is for you to become friends with your horse. its not getting them to do this stuff. it also involves not riding your horse for at LEAST a year. Until the correct muscels are built up. :) yooh can find out more on his website.
Great! I got a very difficult horse, and so I think he trains his horse in the way of Pat Parelli plus on top haute ecole. And it works to respect your partner! You would be surprised what´s possible if you are taff enough to go a new way. Your own way, away from contests back to the heart.
This is not ment to be a video about "trick horses" infact, I think Nezorow would resent having his horses remarked about as "trick horses" these horses are incredibly well trained creatures.
they arent trick horses! its about a man who trains them with trust and respects them, doesnt use bridles or whips or that stuff, there "fanciness" wasnt the point
I love natural horsemanship... Though I think I'll stick with my bit. Don't get me wrong, I really admire and respect people who ride bridleless/bitless. Someday I might try to achieve that much response with my own horse, but I don't consider bridles/bits [when used correctly] abuse. My horse loves his bridle. Whenever I get it out, he reaches for it, ready to work. I try as much as I can to use Clinton Anderson's NH techniques... I find that they work the best for my horse and me.
Correct, just take the things out of NH that work best for you and your horse. Dappleddakota, I hope that one day you will experience on your own that you don´t need a bit or bridle. I wish you and your horse much luck on your journey together. Send you much strenght, Sky.
You can learn alot from NH and especially from classical masters like Podhajsky, Xenophon, Pluvinel and Steinbrecht, but when you experience on your own, you will learn about the behaviour and their response on your own(!) bodylanguage. You never stop learning.
Alexander Nevzorov is amazing... Just the way he works with his horses, and you can SEE the affection they have for him...
I'll be getting my own horse very soon, and I'd /love/ to work with my horse and do some of the things he does(xD Unfortunately, I have NO idea how, so I'll be unable to). Because of Nevzorov's website, I've concluded to never use a bit with my horse xD
Hey ComatoseMuffin, maybe we can help you at the Forum. There are alot of more people who gained and are gaining experience in NHE. Facing and solving problems, how you can start etc. There´s alot to learn.
To Sky212dont let the lack of knolege stop you,there is a way called natural horsemanshipand it provides you with a step by step information ,I my self started ten years ago and like you had no one to turn to for help , I caan not post a e-address but check out youtube ,category ; pets and animals you will get some ideas from that.DRIFTER6
FITZGIBO Natural Horsemanship like Parelli, Monty Roberts etc. I left behind. I do nothing step by step, I just do it my way. Looking at the horse, take each one as a respectable individual. Some horses learn a lot faster then others, some need more protection and safety while the other one needs more inspiration.
To SKY212,I mearly sujested that there was help to be had from a master ,such as Parelli,while i would be in ageement with you about Monty Roberts I think any one with the slightest bit of saavy would leave him behind,hoever i wish you well in your quest for knolage,and like in politic there are many parties,like in horsmanship there are many masters not every one follows the same path to acheive the simular result.DRIFTER6
FITZGIBO I understand what you mean. I´m lucky to have contacts with a lot of great horse(wo)men ;) I never stop learning, there are different ways to Rome. About other NH masters, well just take the things out of it that fits you and your horse. I´m not a Parelli fan but some horses really get in bloom by the Parelli method. Like I said, every horse must be taken as a individual.
I would like to write comment number two, and say, that NHE is the future, and that I can't wait to get started myself (When I one day get that horse >.O)
But I guess I'll se you later on the forum, or something xD
Yeah 1 comment, I guess people are very quiet about it. It reflects truth. People know about the accepted abuse, they know there is a different way. They are only afraid of it. ´How do I acchieve something like this? Everyone rides with spurs, bit etc.´ Everyday I see new things that proves that the traditional way is wrong. And the funniest thing, sport magazines are the ones who come up with it!!!
Well, many of the ones who writes the magazines aren't stupid at all. A few weeks ago I read in an ooooold magazin. They had a topic; Hov to get the bad behavior away. I thought they would write alot about dominans and how to dominate the horse in a traditional way. But many of the things they wrote where gueit true, and came up with the typical reasons and they said, that the problems should be sould from the ground.
I respect some riders like Podhajsky and Pluvinel. They achieved some great things. But for me they would be even more adorable without the use of a bit (or bridle, on their level).
I know. Like I said to a girl who has just stopped using a bit; It's nice to see Andreas (Danish dressagerider) ride the horses in a PRI. It's funny to watch Show Jumping on the TV (or IRL). But none of them impress me, and I'm not interested in their way of riding or to see more of what they're doing. And then I mentioned some names of riders that DO impress me, who I know (Or at least has read about) mostly from the NHE forum and school.
Living and feeling the talk. There are people who talk like ´You need to respect the horse´ but they can´t bring that into practice. Horrible, if you ask me.
This guy is amazing, to bad I only lease a horse from the farm I take lessons at. If I got my own horse, I promise not to use a bridle with a bit. I showed my dad too, he said it's a pretty good idea. Oh and is that a version of the music from Bleach? Cool.
Yes it´s the romantic version from asterisk. I thought it fit well :) And I hope that you will learn from your horse (when you have one on your own). It´s a very long path with much work, time and trust but it´s a beautifull path. I also work with stallions and since I´ve started to reward them for every little good thing, no one will believe me that their are actually stallions. No bit, no spurs and yes even no bridle it´s possible and I love it!!
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Some people are claiming that it would be impossible to train horses without bits and spurs and that Nevzorov wouldn't be able to do that on a horse that was not pre-trained using bits and spurs. Is that true, or are his horses truly trained without such tacks?
TejasM14 3 weeks ago
Oh what we could all achieve with a church full of sand !Viva Nevzorov!
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@sky if i some1 can train horses much better than u do. i reli can say He is the god of horses.. how the hell did you train your horses like this.. can u talk to them..
bettyb00p82 1 year ago
@bettyb00p82 You do realize it's not sky212 in the video, right? This is one of like... a thousand videos with exactly the same images in it.
strayfool 1 year ago
WAW.
HatexMosquitoes 2 years ago
i love this video wonderful
BertaHorseB 2 years ago
This is a very good demonstration of the fact that you need to ask a horse to do something not force him to. Riding with a bit should be the same thing. I think to train a horse like this you have to spend every waking moment with them. Unfortunalty unemployement and horses doesn't go well together! I am sure you could go one step further and ask the horse to do these movements with voice commands! Would love to try it anyone prepared to sponsor me?!
wightchemist 2 years ago
o:50 why does the horse look so angry, with the ears and stuf there?
NakuruNebelung 2 years ago
Its not just the ears that tells you are horse is angry. Here the horse is concentrating thats why he has his ears are towards the rear. If a horse is angry the ears will be flat back, his eyes will be angry and his head out and forward. Its not the case here.
wightchemist 2 years ago 2
He is playing i do it all the time with my horse. Watch horses play in the field it looks very similar to fighting.
DeathKitty123456 1 year ago
wie sie genannt wird dem schwarzen Pferd dieser Film?
und wie heißt das braun?
edgar1782 2 years ago
I'm not dissing this guy at all. I'm going to get thumbs down just because im stating the obvious,but this dude DOES use tack. He trains the horse with it,then takes it off.
cowgirl22hannah 2 years ago 2
I totally agree!!! There are pictures proving this and in one of the videos posted you can see reins that they couldn't edit out. Actually search Anti Nevzorov I think the pictures are up here on youtube! But in all regards I think it is very possible to train how he trains.
horsesandjesus 2 years ago
LOVE this vidio:D Fantastic!
elisekjo 2 years ago
I love this song and these horses!!
girlangelcat 2 years ago
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One word.. WOW! :O
ElinPlet 3 years ago 4
please, use this beautiful art, this connection with the horse and share it with the world. do not hate those that do the wrong thing, but teach them to do the right thing. i think your work is close to perfection, the way it is meant to be, and i believe one day we will know this, but now, teach those who do not know any better, help the horse by drawing those who need the help and showing them a better way.
jessieplum 3 years ago 7
Even though I don't own a horse, I do try to work like this with horses. It shows the best results, but is hard. Once i get my own horse, this is the way things will be, even if i can be as amazing as this guy, or the horse whispers. If only people could see horses in this amzing way. I sometimes wish taht we could all use horses instead of cars lol. That would be fun.
xXfillyfoalXx 2 years ago
This is so beautiful!!!
the horses look much happyer then at all the dressage things withs bits and spurs
Louibouilover 3 years ago
it looks easy and funny, but its very hard to do. big respect! ;)
1ellox 3 years ago 5
First you said it looked easy, then you said it looked hard. Confuzzeling... Haha, but i think I get what your ssaying :]
xXfillyfoalXx 2 years ago
idiots.
it looks easy but its very hard to do.
I know, that its hard to do, but many people thinks that its very easy, and good horse is enaugh to do this.
1ellox 2 years ago 3
That comment was like 10 months back, why are you bothering to be so rude now when I never even said anything rude to you in the first place?
Its pretty clear that I didn't red your comment correctly, but I was still not rude to you so its only polite to display the same manners I did to you.
xXfillyfoalXx 2 years ago
theres no doubt he's amazing. but can he ride without that neck rope?
MercuryJokerCasino 3 years ago
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what would it matter?
PrincessAbbieXXX 3 years ago
of course he can. and every one following his way correctly can also.
fleur4198 3 years ago
That is also my question. Because if you look at Honza Blaha you will see him do the same but without a neck rope.
ropefast 2 years ago
Plus the music is better..lol
ropefast 2 years ago
Magnifique.
J3at0n 3 years ago 2
this man is amazing - even top notch dressage trainers cant acheive this with bits and reins and more devices! hahahaha!!!
PrincessAbbieXXX 3 years ago
fajne one kochają gościa:):)
lumi1994 3 years ago
Take note, horses are herd animals, they need to know who is in charge. I believe these horses know their instructors are above them and thus will do anything for them. Let it be known this is not the ONLY way to train a horse. Though it uses little to no man made tools, which is good for the horse, a horse can in fact be "gentled". Humans just need to bond with them.
mypunknightmare 3 years ago 3
I have mixed feelings about this... First, I think this man is a very talented and sympathetic horseman. He has achieved wonders without the use of a bit, which is fab. BUT I do not think, that in gentle hands, the bit is cruel. Also a lot of these horses had pinned ears for most of the vid, what's going on there?
Middershins 3 years ago
what is going on is called 'game'. Yes it's quite tense but NEVER agressive, he appeals to horse's natural energy, strength and temper (though exactly HOT temper is more preferable..) . Game is the way to teach horse to HE movements as all of them are ABSOLUTELY natural for horse because 1) the horse is under NO physical control, 2) the horse does them itself but the Master only fits them to perfection.
fleur4198 3 years ago
but sometimes you can see very complicated elements, which could be hard for a wild horse to do at once... the key is the following - the horse is taught to do definite elemnts ALLOWED in its age and physical form (which is extremely important!) and all of the develop horse physically and also mentally.
fleur4198 3 years ago
if you learn a bit more about horse communication, you will understand about the pinned ears. the ears generally go in the direction of the horse's focus. remember, horses aren't ppl, and what looks like a 'sour' face to us, means a totally different thing to the horse.
yorkheardt 3 years ago
The comment below is posted in response to 'horsesandjesus' fallacious comment "He teaches them with a bit spurs and whip along with the cordeo until he only has to use the Cordeo!!!"
songoftheopenroad 3 years ago
La musik é de lalbum de bleach le mangas ?
chibimymy 3 years ago
Everyone no matter what country, has the 'option' to treat their horse well, bit or no bit.
Tarot020 3 years ago
perfect
milliesos 3 years ago
To view the photos vists Freewebs dot com slash nevzorovhauteecole
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
He teaches them with a bit spurs and whip along with the cordeo until he only has to use the Cordeo!!!
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
This is an untruth based on ten-year-old photos of Nevzorov before he began training bitless and spurless. In the present day, he trains without bit, bridle, spurs, or even halter. The whip is used in its proper function, as an extension of the rider's body, and is never used to punish, but only to touch the horse to give specific signals for certain moves.
songoftheopenroad 3 years ago
I hear in for instance in Russia that their are no bitless classes and everyone traines the Traditional way. Bits are a must and you are not allowed to even show bitless. Training infers Forcing the horse to collect with harsh bits, side reins ,etc. believe me it is way different here in America. We have more freedoms. If we want to show bitless we can we even have a whole bunch of classes devoted to showing bitless and we even have bareback classes.We have vet's that check the horses.
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
Seriously, some of the cruellest training in the world takes place in America.
Middershins 3 years ago
Why is he so against equestrian sport?
gfhhst 3 years ago
Well, in Russia I hear it's very bad over there. They beat the horse with whips jerk and pull on their mouth's. They torture the horses to just get money and fame etc. Also like racing for instance steeplechasing horses are constantly getting broken legs dying and not only the horses the riders also. He hate's the whole training program and treatment of the horses.
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
So one country treats their horses bad in sport and everyone that does equestrian sport is cruel?
gfhhst 3 years ago
yea! America is amazing to their horses.
LoveMyHorseDo 3 years ago
LoveMyHorseDo,
Yeah your right we Americans have the option of showing without bits and we even have bridleless classes.They are very popular these days. But responding to gfhhst: No. In no means am I saying that one country is cruel and one is not because it happens everywhere in the world. I have worked in training barns here in America and it isn't much different. We have many animal right organization that ensure that no harsh treatment goes on at shows.
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
America has strict laws for humans who abuse their horse or any animals. Hear in America you get a big fine and/or 1 year in jail. Shows in America have to have a veterinarian present to check horses health and if they feel the horse is in pain etc. They have the power to say you can't show.And if the horse is really bad they can call the cops and your horse gets confisated and the owner or the one abusing the horse goes to jail.
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
Holy cow! What shows do you attend? I see lame, over-lunged, sore and sour horses with way too much hardware with lousy, insensitive riders who go all the way to the winner's circle routinely. It's shameful. I've never heard of a horse being confiscated. Worst I've heard of in terms of retribution is gossip which hasn't stop any one of these money-grubbing trainers.
sjjcce 3 years ago
Well, I attened a horse auction once where the owners were ticketed and threatened. This has happened on many occasions.And yes I have seen the other half you are talking about also! I have worked in trainer's barn's and seen stallions who charge and try to bite people from being locked up in stalls 24/7 and people totrure like soring in the Big Lick shows there horses to just get win! Like in Eventing or Endurance Riding if the horse isn't deemed healthy they are disqualified!
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
except vets don't perform tests on mental health...
yorkheardt 3 years ago
A1 totally agree. same here in Aus. even ppl who THINK they're practicing so called 'natural' horsemanship more often than not use some kind of force. i see that kind of thing all the time as well. just because a horse is capable of something (like running a steeplechase marathon), it doesn't mean they can do so without harm to their mental or physical state - long or short term, present of ruture.
yorkheardt 3 years ago
a fine for mentally scarring a living animal? hardly seems 'just' to me. the reality is, the law doesn't recognize things like the misuse of bits or other equipment as cruelty. you would REALLY have to lay into a horse in a public place to have any sort of consiquences, and even then it's hard to persecuite someone on an animal cruelty charge. the law can't enforce that person not to keep animals in the future, and VERY RARELY is it able to remove a horse from a person's custidy without consent.
yorkheardt 3 years ago
NHE is on his way to get extrem.....to extrem, it is not more about horses, as they pretend, it is about NHE and Mr. Alexander Nevzorov that you never have to question !
And so they try to gather and to keep only folks that follow him and his doctrins almost blind and without thinking.
horsesandjesus 3 years ago
no we dont gather people. we tell people about him.. and then if they wish to know more they find out... :/ and for goodness sake look at the forum .. the whole things about horses .. what a ridiculas thing to say that we dont think. my god.. what aload of rubbish. we all could leave the forum if we wanted.. but we enjoy this new way of being with our horses... so we dont leave.. we want to find out more and learn more.. and achieve an even better bond with our Horses. (see its all aba horses)
TatianaLovesPonies 3 years ago
They are predictable retard you just have to know how to read them, they use body language. If you think your horse is so unpredictable maybe you should think twice about owing one. Of course they can be dangerous just as any other animal, or when in the wrong hands. I'm not implying anything just giving my opionion.
roxyfaux 3 years ago
when people say that he has the horses do natural things that they would do in the wild...why would a horse sit?
LoveMyHorseDo 3 years ago
because it trusts him.. so isnt in a rush to get up from lieng down. he never said that sitting was natural. it just shows that they have a wonderful trust in eavhover and that the horse trusts him enough to sit while he stands next to him.. without trying to get up in a rush like most horses would do, it obviouslee doesnt feel threatened by him. which is a good thing :)
TatianaLovesPonies 3 years ago
oh! BTW GREAT VID! I LOVE THE SONG!
Mut2234 4 years ago
I think he does a good job at what he does, like stacey Westfall. however, not all people have not only the time and knowledge to do this, but not all horses CAN do this.
Mut2234 4 years ago
Like people, not all can do mental math. its also sad that alot of ppl who can teach you to do this are very rude and only want it done there way and will only want to teach you if your willing to commit and follow them to greatness. its sad. but there are many ways to train and to do this.
Mut2234 4 years ago
Absolutely stunning to watch. Bravo. More like it, please!
AeronRiding 4 years ago
you know,
siegfried and roy had tigers that they could do that stuff with;;
maybe you should rethink this.
twhsuspendee 4 years ago
Tigers and horses are two different animals duh! Tigers are natural predators,carnivores , their natural tendencies must be remembered. As horses on the other had are more domesticated and predictable.
roxyfaux 4 years ago
lets get serious here. horses are not predictable. and can still be just as vicous as any tiger, more deaths result each year from horse related incidents than from tigers. duh!
twhsuspendee 4 years ago
and may we wonder, those deaths are from sport horses ?
fleur4198 4 years ago
idiot horses are predictable,they are not vicious animals anyone who owns horses will probaly agree with me. Of course there would be a larger amount of deaths when their are alot of reckless owners who dont care about the safety that comes with owning a horse. Get your facts straight.
roxyfaux 4 years ago
maybe YOUR horse is predictable but mine sure isn't! Oh yea and being unpredictalbe does not mean they are dangerous which you seemed to be implying
LoveMyHorseDo 3 years ago
just a fun fact...about deaths...did you know that there are more DEATHS from cocoanuts than SHARK ATTACKS in hawaii.? They fall on people's heads...=/
LoveMyHorseDo 3 years ago
Kaogi is VERY beautiful. Nevsorov isn't that bad either! I must remember to worship the teachings and not the teacher at all times lol!
For those of you who want to know, on the NHE site there is information about the purchase of the film The Horse Crucified and Reborn. You write to the distributor, and she will put you in touch with a local distributor. I had the film in three days! It is very beautiful! Very informative. Russian with English subtitles.
Suzanne
ForeverDressage 4 years ago
HOW beautiful is Kaogi !!!!!
fleur4198 4 years ago
And now it seems that I must change my forever dressage name, and learn to type Nevsorov with more attentin to detail. Thank you.
If you know, I have a question I would like to have answered. What do you do if a horse needs veterinary proceedures that might be painful. How do you avoid breaking the trust?
Also, where can I find more videos? I have purchased The Horse Crucified and Reborn. Can you tell me how to locate more.
Thank you
Suzanne
ForeverDressage 4 years ago
As far as I know, that movie is not for broadcasting yet, there are only short videos presenting the film...
fleur4198 4 years ago
My horse is very clear about which people he trusts & which ones he doesn't trust or respect. Horses don't lie: people do. And in the horse business, most of the professionals chose that profession 'cause they think horses' don't "tell" - they do. If a procedure hurts, most horses seem to understand when something is being done for their welfare, as long as they're not abused while being handled, I don't think they loose trust.
kgbcolor 3 years ago 3
oh yes they do loose trust..... But when it happens - it's the greatest shame to all humans to make this endlessly honest, faithful and Sooo defencless(;() creature into such a life.....
fleur4198 3 years ago
Another fabulous video about Nevsorov! I have been riding for many many years and I too respect Podhajski as my trainer learned from him. But now it is time to take everything a step higher. There are more things on heaven and earth...We need to learn them. I have thrown away bits and spurs and bridles. They will have no further use in my life.
I will begin now to learn all over again.
Suzanne
ForeverDressage 4 years ago
(Nevzorov) "The relationship with horse shows how low, ignorant and stupid can be a human. OR on the contrary, BRAVE, LIGHT AND NOBLE he can be ." Great thanks to you and those who are like you for learning to a human in the best way if its meaning !!!
fleur4198 4 years ago
He wudn't train someone's horse for them, the whole idea is for you to become friends with your horse. its not getting them to do this stuff. it also involves not riding your horse for at LEAST a year. Until the correct muscels are built up. :) yooh can find out more on his website.
TatianaLovesPonies 4 years ago
Great! I got a very difficult horse, and so I think he trains his horse in the way of Pat Parelli plus on top haute ecole. And it works to respect your partner! You would be surprised what´s possible if you are taff enough to go a new way. Your own way, away from contests back to the heart.
nyxnoir 4 years ago
A real kind of 'Horse whisperer'.If i had a horse,i would love for him to train it for me.
StingDrift 4 years ago
Saddleforsale
This is not ment to be a video about "trick horses" infact, I think Nezorow would resent having his horses remarked about as "trick horses" these horses are incredibly well trained creatures.
PwnieChick 4 years ago
These are fancy trick horses --- pretty for movies but not grand prix material !
saddlesforsale 4 years ago
they arent trick horses! its about a man who trains them with trust and respects them, doesnt use bridles or whips or that stuff, there "fanciness" wasnt the point
Taliaa070 4 years ago
Umm...he does carry a whip..if you look at other videos you see it more easily..
trixie123123123 4 years ago
i know, but not to hit the horses!
its when hes training them.. like in his other vids , he sais its his extended arm, not a whip.
Taliaa070 4 years ago
yeh i know i was just picking that up incase u were blasted for it another time x
trixie123123123 4 years ago
hahah ok thanks =p
Taliaa070 4 years ago
yes as an extension, so he can reach bits of the horse, he treats the whip an another arm.
TatianaLovesPonies 4 years ago
i would love to see him ride a grand prix dressage test bridleless!
Ima09er 4 years ago 2
Nevzorov is a true master. And his Kaogi is a fantastic stallion!
KosarskayaKatya 4 years ago
I love natural horsemanship... Though I think I'll stick with my bit. Don't get me wrong, I really admire and respect people who ride bridleless/bitless. Someday I might try to achieve that much response with my own horse, but I don't consider bridles/bits [when used correctly] abuse. My horse loves his bridle. Whenever I get it out, he reaches for it, ready to work. I try as much as I can to use Clinton Anderson's NH techniques... I find that they work the best for my horse and me.
dappleddakota 4 years ago
Correct, just take the things out of NH that work best for you and your horse. Dappleddakota, I hope that one day you will experience on your own that you don´t need a bit or bridle. I wish you and your horse much luck on your journey together. Send you much strenght, Sky.
Sky212 4 years ago
You can learn alot from NH and especially from classical masters like Podhajsky, Xenophon, Pluvinel and Steinbrecht, but when you experience on your own, you will learn about the behaviour and their response on your own(!) bodylanguage. You never stop learning.
Sky212 4 years ago
Alexander Nevzorov is amazing... Just the way he works with his horses, and you can SEE the affection they have for him...
I'll be getting my own horse very soon, and I'd /love/ to work with my horse and do some of the things he does(xD Unfortunately, I have NO idea how, so I'll be unable to). Because of Nevzorov's website, I've concluded to never use a bit with my horse xD
ComatoseMuffin 4 years ago
Hey ComatoseMuffin, maybe we can help you at the Forum. There are alot of more people who gained and are gaining experience in NHE. Facing and solving problems, how you can start etc. There´s alot to learn.
Sky212 4 years ago
To Sky212dont let the lack of knolege stop you,there is a way called natural horsemanshipand it provides you with a step by step information ,I my self started ten years ago and like you had no one to turn to for help , I caan not post a e-address but check out youtube ,category ; pets and animals you will get some ideas from that.DRIFTER6
FITZGIBO 4 years ago
FITZGIBO Natural Horsemanship like Parelli, Monty Roberts etc. I left behind. I do nothing step by step, I just do it my way. Looking at the horse, take each one as a respectable individual. Some horses learn a lot faster then others, some need more protection and safety while the other one needs more inspiration.
Sky212 4 years ago
To SKY212,I mearly sujested that there was help to be had from a master ,such as Parelli,while i would be in ageement with you about Monty Roberts I think any one with the slightest bit of saavy would leave him behind,hoever i wish you well in your quest for knolage,and like in politic there are many parties,like in horsmanship there are many masters not every one follows the same path to acheive the simular result.DRIFTER6
FITZGIBO 4 years ago
FITZGIBO I understand what you mean. I´m lucky to have contacts with a lot of great horse(wo)men ;) I never stop learning, there are different ways to Rome. About other NH masters, well just take the things out of it that fits you and your horse. I´m not a Parelli fan but some horses really get in bloom by the Parelli method. Like I said, every horse must be taken as a individual.
Sky212 4 years ago
I'll have to take a look into it =]
To the website! -Hums theme music-
ComatoseMuffin 4 years ago
824 views - and only 1 comment!?
I would like to write comment number two, and say, that NHE is the future, and that I can't wait to get started myself (When I one day get that horse >.O)
But I guess I'll se you later on the forum, or something xD
Chawell 4 years ago
Thanks Chawell :D
Yeah 1 comment, I guess people are very quiet about it. It reflects truth. People know about the accepted abuse, they know there is a different way. They are only afraid of it. ´How do I acchieve something like this? Everyone rides with spurs, bit etc.´ Everyday I see new things that proves that the traditional way is wrong. And the funniest thing, sport magazines are the ones who come up with it!!!
Sky212 4 years ago
Well, many of the ones who writes the magazines aren't stupid at all. A few weeks ago I read in an ooooold magazin. They had a topic; Hov to get the bad behavior away. I thought they would write alot about dominans and how to dominate the horse in a traditional way. But many of the things they wrote where gueit true, and came up with the typical reasons and they said, that the problems should be sould from the ground.
Chawell 4 years ago
......I didn't expect that from some traidtional riders :) The really good ones aren't stupid at all, they just have to get rid of the bit.
Chawell 4 years ago
I respect some riders like Podhajsky and Pluvinel. They achieved some great things. But for me they would be even more adorable without the use of a bit (or bridle, on their level).
Sky212 4 years ago
I know. Like I said to a girl who has just stopped using a bit; It's nice to see Andreas (Danish dressagerider) ride the horses in a PRI. It's funny to watch Show Jumping on the TV (or IRL). But none of them impress me, and I'm not interested in their way of riding or to see more of what they're doing. And then I mentioned some names of riders that DO impress me, who I know (Or at least has read about) mostly from the NHE forum and school.
Chawell 4 years ago
Living and feeling the talk. There are people who talk like ´You need to respect the horse´ but they can´t bring that into practice. Horrible, if you ask me.
Sky212 4 years ago
well at least they sort of try and aren't like "you shouldn't respect the horse"
LoveMyHorseDo 3 years ago
This guy is amazing, to bad I only lease a horse from the farm I take lessons at. If I got my own horse, I promise not to use a bridle with a bit. I showed my dad too, he said it's a pretty good idea. Oh and is that a version of the music from Bleach? Cool.
Kylaia 4 years ago
Yes it´s the romantic version from asterisk. I thought it fit well :) And I hope that you will learn from your horse (when you have one on your own). It´s a very long path with much work, time and trust but it´s a beautifull path. I also work with stallions and since I´ve started to reward them for every little good thing, no one will believe me that their are actually stallions. No bit, no spurs and yes even no bridle it´s possible and I love it!!
Sky212 4 years ago