Money is just a means of exchange, pure barter is simply impossible. Crime exists because of scarcity, eliminating money doesn't solve that. Profit, at least in capitalism, creates an incentive to do things that benefit others. It's a good thing.
@Houshalter Scientist who studies the incentive/motivation agree that what incentive the most is not a physical reward but a emotional reward of the proud and the pleasure to do what you want to do. Do you know how many engineers inventors, medics are willing and desire to create better products, new ideas, improve heath techniques but the monetary system says no because is not profitable?
@agustinbs if they truly have better products and ideas, then they would be profitable. And if they truly don't care about the profit they make from doing so, they are free to give it all to charity or whatever else they feel should be done with it.
@Houshalter NO. Harvesting solar or wind energy, vertical farms to feed all the world population, those are not profitable solutions in the immediate and mid term, specially education, education is made profitable when you make it scarce and therefore people are willing to pay a lot of money for that, see the university system in USA.
And the best examples are diseases, pharmaceutics always prefer long/life span treatment instead to a definitive cure, take a look cancer, AIDS and many others.
@agustinbs those things aren't profitable because the value they create is far less than their cost. Wind and solar are absurdly expensive relative to the energy they produce, and they are unreliable as a main source of power since they depend on the weather.
Vertical farms would be extraordinarily inefficient since the large construction costs, and the fact they don't increase the amount of light you can collect to grow food. The surrounding land would just be in a shadow.
@Houshalter Solar thermal energy is already being implemented, it works and in the long run they are the more profitable, but you need much more time to return your investment than others. and in a good red distributed in many areas you will always have energy available, also you can store it in liquid salt chambers, is about to combine the several method to overcome their weakness and we HAVE the resource to do that.
@Houshalter When i said vertical farms i was meaning organic food in controlled environment so you DON"T NEED TO USE PESTICIDES. How much worth you your health??? Obviously is cheaper cultivate in horizontal and outdoor way but that isn't renewable, the soil can't resist that. and you need far more water and fertilizers.
@Houshalter Sicentist already give them away for free their discoveries and solutions but many of those solutions request a lot of resource which in this system they translates to money, which is sad and stupid. You can't get 50 billions to improve significantly the energy system but you can get trillions to pay to bankers for their mistakes, this is your money system, enjoy it.
@agustinbs if you or anyone else is willing to fund it you are free to. If the project actually ends up being worth more than it's cost, it will be profitable, thus increasing people's incentive to fund things like this.
@Houshalter Again man, you can't get out of the money box, is not about if we have the money, is about if we have the resources, and we have a lot of them, WE HAVE the resources to get energy without poison the environment, we have the resources to eat healthy food, we have the resource to cure many diseases, we have the resources to house everyone... BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT... so ridiculous.
@agustinbs investments that pay off the fastest are logically the ones that should be made first. In your system, what investments get made is obviously completely arbitrary because any decent cost/benefit analysis will show these projects to be ridiculous. Vertical farms will still require massive amounts of fertilizer and water, and if they are exposed to the environment there will still be a need for pesticides. If they aren't, well that's just makes it even more costly.
@Houshalter No, no no, man. Your investment payoff system is about PROFIT, profit encourage you exploit whatever you can find at the lowest effort possible. what that means?
Exploit the oil without care about the long run/contamination, it doesn't payoff clean your waste when you manufacture something, nor when you cut a tree and reestablish another one. Or manufacture something that last, you need to manufacture stuff that are periodically consumed.
@Houshalter Profit system is NOT about efficient management of resources is about maximizing your differential advantage over the exchange, it doesn't have anything to do with taking into account the earth and its renewable operation.
Organic food via aeroponics is the most efficient way to create food up to 90% less water and nutrients, ZERO pesticides, the problem as always is the initial cost, inform yourself first.
@agustinbs money represents real resources. Prices reflect how scarce each resource is, and therefore determines what people produce and invest in. Really money is no different than pure barter, except instead of having to trade multiple times to get what you want from what you have, you just have to trade what you have for money, then trade the money for what you want. Of course nothing is stopping you from bartering if you want, but using money is vastly superior.
@Houshalter In the money system there is no better cost effective business than a financial sector. a Sector that by definition Doesn't produce anything real. The concept of interest is a blackhole in the economy where the money is sucked in exchange of nothing real. Financial should be a state dedication as a economy service, not a profit activity. But money system is a way to accumulate power that corrupts any effort to regulate economy and bring equality, THATS the main problem with the money
@agustinbs Any economy is based on profit. Any time you create something of more value than it costs you are creating profit. The only thing that makes capitalism different is creator gets to keep the profit. There is nothing unfair about that.
Please look up time preference theory if you really want to understand interest.
The Zeitgiest Movement and the Venus Project sound like such amazing ideas -- almost too good to be true -- and in fact, like in most cases ...THEY ARE! The main goal of the New World Order is the destruction of all religion, replaced by the worship of reason (humanism) and the destruction of all independent governments secretly replaced by a world government ruled by the Illuminati. Please do some research on this before moving forward with this advocation.
hell yea man. its good to see so much support from everywhere around the world. i feel like this is one of those times where more shit is going to change in the next year than has in the last 50 years. cheers
"Peace is not the absence of conflict, but the presence of creative alternatives for responding to conflict." - Dorothy Thompson
ISMOPANAMA 6 months ago
You have a beautiful mind! Cheers from America :)
SoSpeakEasy 6 months ago
Money is just a means of exchange, pure barter is simply impossible. Crime exists because of scarcity, eliminating money doesn't solve that. Profit, at least in capitalism, creates an incentive to do things that benefit others. It's a good thing.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter Scientist who studies the incentive/motivation agree that what incentive the most is not a physical reward but a emotional reward of the proud and the pleasure to do what you want to do. Do you know how many engineers inventors, medics are willing and desire to create better products, new ideas, improve heath techniques but the monetary system says no because is not profitable?
agustinbs 1 month ago
@agustinbs if they truly have better products and ideas, then they would be profitable. And if they truly don't care about the profit they make from doing so, they are free to give it all to charity or whatever else they feel should be done with it.
Houshalter 1 month ago
@Houshalter NO. Harvesting solar or wind energy, vertical farms to feed all the world population, those are not profitable solutions in the immediate and mid term, specially education, education is made profitable when you make it scarce and therefore people are willing to pay a lot of money for that, see the university system in USA.
And the best examples are diseases, pharmaceutics always prefer long/life span treatment instead to a definitive cure, take a look cancer, AIDS and many others.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@agustinbs those things aren't profitable because the value they create is far less than their cost. Wind and solar are absurdly expensive relative to the energy they produce, and they are unreliable as a main source of power since they depend on the weather.
Vertical farms would be extraordinarily inefficient since the large construction costs, and the fact they don't increase the amount of light you can collect to grow food. The surrounding land would just be in a shadow.
Houshalter 1 month ago
@Houshalter Solar thermal energy is already being implemented, it works and in the long run they are the more profitable, but you need much more time to return your investment than others. and in a good red distributed in many areas you will always have energy available, also you can store it in liquid salt chambers, is about to combine the several method to overcome their weakness and we HAVE the resource to do that.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@Houshalter When i said vertical farms i was meaning organic food in controlled environment so you DON"T NEED TO USE PESTICIDES. How much worth you your health??? Obviously is cheaper cultivate in horizontal and outdoor way but that isn't renewable, the soil can't resist that. and you need far more water and fertilizers.
WE HAVE The resources to implement that.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@Houshalter Sicentist already give them away for free their discoveries and solutions but many of those solutions request a lot of resource which in this system they translates to money, which is sad and stupid. You can't get 50 billions to improve significantly the energy system but you can get trillions to pay to bankers for their mistakes, this is your money system, enjoy it.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@agustinbs if you or anyone else is willing to fund it you are free to. If the project actually ends up being worth more than it's cost, it will be profitable, thus increasing people's incentive to fund things like this.
Houshalter 1 month ago
@Houshalter Again man, you can't get out of the money box, is not about if we have the money, is about if we have the resources, and we have a lot of them, WE HAVE the resources to get energy without poison the environment, we have the resources to eat healthy food, we have the resource to cure many diseases, we have the resources to house everyone... BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT... so ridiculous.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@agustinbs investments that pay off the fastest are logically the ones that should be made first. In your system, what investments get made is obviously completely arbitrary because any decent cost/benefit analysis will show these projects to be ridiculous. Vertical farms will still require massive amounts of fertilizer and water, and if they are exposed to the environment there will still be a need for pesticides. If they aren't, well that's just makes it even more costly.
Houshalter 1 month ago
@Houshalter No, no no, man. Your investment payoff system is about PROFIT, profit encourage you exploit whatever you can find at the lowest effort possible. what that means?
Exploit the oil without care about the long run/contamination, it doesn't payoff clean your waste when you manufacture something, nor when you cut a tree and reestablish another one. Or manufacture something that last, you need to manufacture stuff that are periodically consumed.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@Houshalter Profit system is NOT about efficient management of resources is about maximizing your differential advantage over the exchange, it doesn't have anything to do with taking into account the earth and its renewable operation.
Organic food via aeroponics is the most efficient way to create food up to 90% less water and nutrients, ZERO pesticides, the problem as always is the initial cost, inform yourself first.
agustinbs 1 month ago
@agustinbs money represents real resources. Prices reflect how scarce each resource is, and therefore determines what people produce and invest in. Really money is no different than pure barter, except instead of having to trade multiple times to get what you want from what you have, you just have to trade what you have for money, then trade the money for what you want. Of course nothing is stopping you from bartering if you want, but using money is vastly superior.
Houshalter 1 month ago
@Houshalter In the money system there is no better cost effective business than a financial sector. a Sector that by definition Doesn't produce anything real. The concept of interest is a blackhole in the economy where the money is sucked in exchange of nothing real. Financial should be a state dedication as a economy service, not a profit activity. But money system is a way to accumulate power that corrupts any effort to regulate economy and bring equality, THATS the main problem with the money
agustinbs 1 month ago
@agustinbs Any economy is based on profit. Any time you create something of more value than it costs you are creating profit. The only thing that makes capitalism different is creator gets to keep the profit. There is nothing unfair about that.
Please look up time preference theory if you really want to understand interest.
Houshalter 1 month ago
All the best from Portugal...=)
FranciscoKGuerreiro 9 months ago
well done!!! :)
eatsimplefood 10 months ago
GO GO GO :3 WELL donee. Thank you :3
Skaiste3theskay 11 months ago
thank you for being so aware!
jazzmynd 1 year ago
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The Zeitgiest Movement and the Venus Project sound like such amazing ideas -- almost too good to be true -- and in fact, like in most cases ...THEY ARE! The main goal of the New World Order is the destruction of all religion, replaced by the worship of reason (humanism) and the destruction of all independent governments secretly replaced by a world government ruled by the Illuminati. Please do some research on this before moving forward with this advocation.
Interracialnow 1 year ago
Braziuuu.....Boa mano..Força nisso..Peace..=D
FranciscoKGuerreiro 1 year ago
hell yea man. its good to see so much support from everywhere around the world. i feel like this is one of those times where more shit is going to change in the next year than has in the last 50 years. cheers
truthisouttheir 1 year ago