Stalin returns to Moscow metro

[Rickyrab]

Uncle Joe, the war hero, the brutal dictator, the contributor to the grand and beautiful Metro, the guy who caused the Holodomor but stopped the Holocaust...he's quite the mixed figure, isn't he?

[ahirzaman1000]

СЛАВА СТАЛИНУ!!!!!!....

[eugeneonegin09]

well, as much as stalin created the metro system, for his words to become lionized, is an affront to all of those folks who died for no sane rational reason.

[DrxKavorkian]

That was for you, MarshallJukov!

[AtilladHun]

UNBELIEVABLE! This is what happens when people like Russians form their government based on personality cults and not of laws! They credit all their OWN achievements to egomaniacs like Stalin, who are just happy to claim it for himself. Stalin did not lead the Russians to victory in WWII (he killed his top military officers a few years prior and he trembled in fear in his dacha when Moscow was about to fall). Lazar Kaganovich, the Wolf of the Kremlin" was the real architect of the Moscow Metro.

[protfl]

even he may have 'trembled in fear' he did not leave Moscow.

[AtilladHun]

He stayed in a dacha outside Moscow, with a contingency plan to go to Siberia by rail if Moscow and SPB did fall. Art treasures and some major military industries were already being carted by rail to the East (a brilliant move by his generals, which paid off greatly later).

[protfl]

it'd be lame not to evacuate art and industries.

also evacuation of government is a matter of common sense. it can not be blamed, even when you try to depict it as smth unbelieveable.

[AtilladHun]

protfl, you misconstrued me there. I meant the rail system was still intact as the major cargoes can still be transported. The KGB had prepared a special coach to transport Stalin as easily. Read this from Lazar Kaganovich's memoirs - he was Stalin's right hand man (and brother of Stalin's 3rd wife). Of course, moving the State's arts and treasure and industries is a very logical thing to do.

[protfl]

the thing that stalin had a bunker waiting for him in kuibyshev is a well known fact.

[AtilladHun]

rotfl, just think about it: why would Kruzhev and the gang, Stalin's closest allies, found it necessary to deStalinize, early on? These guys drank, partied, farted, and their families intermarried, a real close-knit association. Gorbachev was not the first one to come up with the idea of Glastnost. Yet, he also is regarded as a traitor by some.

[protfl]

how can they be called his allies after all. its like calling churchill stalins best friend.

[rocketshipstud2]

joe stalin is the second worst mass murdering marxist criminal criminal nutjob in history! second only to mao-tse-tung!...but his body count far surpasses pol-pot of cambodia!...so he wins the silver medal for russia for mass-marxist-murder!.../milwau­kee

[RussianDefender100]

Stalin is now a polarising figure in Russia

but most still praise his contribution

for winning the great patriotic war for Russia and all of ussr, Stalin was not

all evil he put industrialisation in Siberia in less than 20 years building key cities.

[AtilladHun]

Russian Defender: "most still praise his contribution for winning the great Patriotic War..."

This only shows you grew up on Soviet propaganda and got indoctrinated by it,

Stalin's only contribution to WWII was to cause disaster at every turn. His executions of top Soviet officers emboldened Hitler and his generals (some cross-trained in Russian military schools) to launch Barbarosa. It is seen as the cause of disarray and lack of leadership of Soviet troops in the initial phase of the war.

[MarshallJukov]

It is your brainwashing ignorance which unbelievable

[DrxKavorkian]

I could say pretty much the same thing about you. We do not have a Solzhenitzyins, Politskovskayas, Igor Domnikovs, etc., writers/journalists who go on exile or were killed because they wrote something against the government line.

Welcome to the Free World, indoctrinated Pioneer!

[MarshallJukov]

Free world? Don`t make me laugh again)))

Solzhenitsin? That insane traitor?

You can read about him and Stalin here

northstarcompass. org/nsc9912/lies. htm

Article is based on DOCUMENTS and facts you can doublecheck yourself

It is not some factless novels you use to create your picture of the world kiddo

[AtilladHun]

Marshall Zhukov: "Solzhenitsin? That insane traitor?"

See what I mean, everyone who disagreed with Stalin was labeled as a traitor. Solzhenitzyn is highly revered in the West, and now also in Russia - even without a barrage of propaganda, year in and year out, like Stalin had!

Can you say that of Kruschev as well when he tried to deStalinize Russia?

General Zhukov was miffed by Stalin when he openly said that the LendLease played a very important part in Russia's war efforts.

[MarshallJukov]

Nope - Zhukov`s exile by Stalin has noting to do with AT ALL. Zhukov just became more popular than even Stalin - e became a live monument to himself - and he had very straight and independent character - that was reason to his problems thats all.

As for Khurusev - yes he was insane idiot too. He blackened Stalin just to distract ppl from his own crimes and bad managmenetd in 30s-40s. He was ignorant villain and clown who ruined almost everything Stalin created

[ahirzaman1000]

@MarshallJukov жуков без Сталина ...мышь.!

[Rickyrab]

@MarshallJukov The only thing I know about Krushchev was that he was bald and that he pledged to "bury" the West. Oh yeah, and there was that tussle with John F. Kennedy that almost started a nuclear war.

[Rickyrab]

@AtilladHun Stalin started the war on the wrong foot. I think he thought of himself as essentially a Communist tsar, and so he set about doing some things tsars traditionally did, including promoting Russia (never mind his Georgian origins) and partitioning Poland with Germany. And he wanted Finland back. So he tried to get Finland. Unfortunately for him, he goofed and so Finland stayed a free country. And then Hitler invaded almost as far as Moscow.

[Rickyrab]

What made Stalin a war hero was his rushing to solve the situation (perhaps by letting his generals get their way) when the enemy was at Moscow and Leningrad/St. Petersburg's gates. Troops got shipped in. Things got hairy for a couple of years. Stalin moved the other way, and Germany was defeated. Of course, Hitler didn't listen to his own generals...

[AtilladHun]

During the early phase of the War, Stalin, who had no real military experience (ex-corporal Hitler had a bit 'more') pretended to be an armchair general directing his troops into one disastrous battles after another. Hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers were killed and captured by the Nazis. Only when he allowed his generals, specially Gen Zhukov, to direct and plan the war efforts did the tide turn. Zhukov, WWII's most brilliant tactician, was purposedly sidelined by Stalin after the war,

[MarshalGeorgyZhukov]

I see the station as a valuable part of Russian History.

[natlissits]

I think putting that line back was a very bad idea, art or not art. That's an insult to millions who died from Stalin's hands and to their families. "Art" should be responsible for the message it delivers.

[trokoro]

It is good for tourism.

[NDHS1990]

It is sad that Russians still glorify man (Stalin) who killed 15.000.000 of them + next millions from other countries. Wake up Russians, Stalin was not good for you, he killed 15 million of you!

[DiscoverRussia]

said by Nazi scum, who wanted to destroy Russia from the map !

[natlissits]

Don't worry, the majority of Russians don't glorify Stalin -that's mostly what the West wants to believe. It's not a secret to anyone in Russia that Stalin was a mass murderer and a psychopath. However Russians do feel offended when the whole nation (his victims) gets the blame for his crimes.

[KramerLeo]

Build a shrine to the new martyrs near the station.

[avianak]

My last comment was addressed to

abarzilai664

[avianak]

I don't think the monument is glorifying anything, in fact the monument is stone and metal with a verbal statement. I think its the person that looks at it, that processes it, and looks back at it, has a choice to glorify it or not, but I think only the older generation can say.

[antoshahorosha]

Art is not Art.

Communication is ART, what is this idiotic idea that Art does not communicate. This DOES communicate the glorification of Stalin, no doubt.

Lets see them try to save art is not communication.

Bunch of useless reporters and sources.

[antoshahorosha]

say*

[MarshallJukov]

Actualy many people are way too brainwashed and ingnorant about Stalin

It is result of decades of amazing lies and propaganda in the west.

Here is true way of things story based on DOCUMENTS

northstarcompass. org/nsc9912/lies. htm

[avianak]

Even Art has logic behind it. I think its a monument to mark a period in history, a dark period but it did happen. So if you where to take it away it does not mean that period did not exist. In fact its good to remind people of that facts that shaped the present.

and by the way Hitler was a artist before going into politics and Stalin was a poet.

[fostereric]

The gas chambers in Auschwitz are also art, lets glorify that in Berlin subway

[TheNonConformative]

u mean the desinfection installations? Or the building the soviets raised after end of the war? The chimney which also was built after end of the war? The same ausschwitz that lowered its death toll from 4 to 1 mio?

[DestroyerAlexandros]

stalin is the greatest STATESMAN in history. i stress the word STATESMAN

[rocketshipstud2]

napoleon bonaparte friend of the united states of america sold us the huge louisiana purchase...i think we should build giant 100 meters high statues to his greatness!...(oh ...lets just over look that moscow burned in 1812...they were only peasnts murdered...) /milwaukee

[rocketshipstud2]

3 baltic states had plenty of stalinist mass murder into siberia!

[MarshallJukov]

Dummy - there was NO mass murders during Stalin and life in Siberia is not so awful as you was told to think - go visit that land and you will see.

Also - many of those from baltic states moved there WILLINGLY and also it saved many lifes because Hitler would burn them in Salaspils.

[abarzilai664]

May want to re-think that. There are tons of evidence that contridict your statement.

[MarshallJukov]

Really? Which one? Some novells?)))

[avianak]

Could you please share one or two with us. it's interesting to know. Thank you in advance.

[abarzilai664]

A good place to start would be the Black Book of Communism though it is a tad biased it is packed with statisics and other information regarding Russia and the rest of the USSR under Stalin. And Marshall Jukov there is matireal in the Soviet Archives which document Stalinist crimes.

[TheNorthchild]

MarshallJukov,

Пойми, даже если погибли не 20 миллионов, а пусть даже тысяча, сто или один человек, убийца все равно останется убийцей. Нельзя его прославлять.

[MarshallJukov]

Ничего я понимать не хочу - ты несешь бред - управлять огромной страной в ее самые трудные времена это тебе не в берюльки играть - надо делать выбор межды смертью тысяч и смертью миллионов - а Сталин не продал одину даже ради жизни сына.

[MarshallJukov]

Да и помни слова Геббельса - "После 1937 года в СССР пятой колонны нет"

а еще почитай статейку что я давал вот она на русском

tambov. su/index. php?option=com_content&task=vi­ew&id=150&Itemid=532

[TheNorthchild]

Знаешь, один мой прадед был офицером КА, его расстреляли в 37, без объяснения причины, второй прадед просидел 10 лет без права переписки..его обвинили в шпионаже, это при том, что он жил в маленкой деревеньке на алтае.

[TheNorthchild]

Таких примеров полно, лично я никого смысла в этих убийствах не вижу.

[TheNorthchild]

Сталин угробил лучших офицеров, многие прекрасные ученые, врачи отправились за решетку или были расстреляны. То, чего достиг СССР было, во многом, вопреки разрушительным действиям сталина, а не благодаря ему.

[rocketshipstud2]

don't forget the 3 little batic states estonia latvia and lithuania are in nato! you neo-stalinist red scum even sneeze at them your are going to get h-bombed!/milwaukee

[rocketshipstud2]

honestly...a far better way is to put photos of every single murdered victim by stalins checka and a historical display denouncing that paranoid pig fucking criminal!...usa still points 1000 nuclear warheads at you neo-stalinist assholes and you call us insane!...why yes we invented nuclear war in the usa!/milwaukee

[rocketshipstud2]

5-stars...well stalinist rats still infest the sewers of moscow!...this is why many many countries rush to join nato!...remember red commie murdering scum...the right talon of the american eagle holds 13 arrows of war!/milwaukee

[thomaserossi]

If that's true then their families deserved everything. They deserve the death, torture, and suffering at the hands of the leftist dictator Stalin.

[Kalinin1917]

Welcome back, comrade Stalin.

[natanon009]

Such a SHAME :(((((

[MarshallKutuzov]

A deeply retrograde step.

[Nitrorus]

А меня прикололо. :-) Кстати, ничего предосудительного в этом не вижу.

П.С. Минус не от меня. )

[MarshallKutuzov]

В стране нет дефицита настоящих героев. Не надо хвалит преступника. ((

Лучше было бы отметить Жукова, Королева, Гагарина, Терешкову. Почему нет станций имени Гагарина? Самый известный герой СССРа по миру??

[Nitrorus]

Огорчу, считающих Сталина преступником меньшинство. Как пример - его кандидатура долгое время лидировала на дурацкой голосовалке "Имя России", пока Любимов не поткрутил голосов царю-неудачнику. И лично я не считаю Сталина преступником, скорее даже наоборот.

[Nitrorus]

*подкрутил. :-)

Прошу прощения за ошибку, жаль, нельзя править свои отзывы.

Причём накрутка голосов Николаю происходила ночью, где-то с 2 до 4 часов по Москве, увеличивая число голосов сразу на несколько сот тысяч.

[Nitrorus]

Да и памятник лишь восстановили, он стоял там на момент основания. Ещё восстановили строчки из гимна "...и Сталин великий нам путь озарил." + красные звёзды.