@cuttiepie00 ...and how does that make the way muslims handle apostasy right? no, it doesn't? well, there you go. your "argument" is an ad hominem or to be precise a tu quoque and has no bearing on the point made.
a great majority of muslim thinkers refuse this idea based on the verse in quran that says There is no compulsion in religion.
beacuse if someone left islam that means they dont believe in it anymore and u cant force someone to believe .. and if i mislead u in my previous comment then am sorry
@cuttiepie00 Point is that there are no higher authorities in islam as far as I know, like for instance the pope. Interpretations on any holy book don't impress me much since depending on the person you can get contradictory views. So I can only rely on things like sharia law or how it is lived to base my view of islam on. As atheist I'm in general equally against all religions, like you can find in any religion the crazies and the meek, religion enables both.
we have muhammed his words is the highest authority and the book of god .. and we have so many people who studied and is studying the quran and sunnah to interpret it some thing are clear and others r not ..we dont need a pope to give us a key to heaven muslim relationship with god is clear if u obey him u go to heaven ..we have differences sure but we agree on the major things god is one we disagree on small things unlike christian who have different beliefs
@cuttiepie00 Divine commandments like who is to be killed and for what is important don't you think? Still there are disagreements about that. How come? Shouldn't the "word" be explicit and not free to interpretation about such an important point? As far as I know christians also agree on major concepts like the divinity of jesus and the nature of god. Grace, I think you agree, is an immoral concept but they don't disagree on that issue.
The connection is pretty clear. There are those who want to impose their ancient savage superstition on the free people in civilized countries including the US and the UK. If these kooks had their way, the same savage rules would be applied in the UK as are applied in his beloved superstitious Islamic cesspools.
@wrjamescom hey smart guy.. not attacking u here.. but really??
u forget that those free stupid countries of the west COLONIZED most of the muslim countries UNTIL TODAY, trying to IMPOSE stupid DEMOCRACY over them ?
"WHAT questions blabla LOL" LOLLIPOP !!! I dont know.. I CANT READ it either ~.~' (thats sarkasm)
I will not respond to ur pebble-throwing-distracting-garbage..ur just trying to dodge..U DONT KNOW ANYTHING !! yet u still think ur self intelegent..anyone can see what ur doing here..GOOD JOB..
JUST ADMIT IT.. U DONT KNOW NOTHING !! ALL UR QUESTION AND TRASH-COMMENTS is worthless, Ur just CLAIMING AND CLAIMING again.. distorting history.. I mean.. COME ON !! U dont even KNOW history!!
@proudfemale " its comically amusing " dont try to justify ur pebble-throwing-dodging-distracting comments.. lets pull this of ONE BY ONE.. I LL SMACK EVERY CLAIM U THROW.. if not ur simply just going to throw another garbage when u are CORNERED !! "who's distorting history" YOU and ur stupid INDEPENDENT SOURCE
"how Uthman said blablabla " thats ANOTHER SUBJECT.. ANSWER MY QUESTION FIRST THEN i'll CRUSH EVERY INCH of YOUR CLAIM
@proudfemale HAHaHA I can imagine u googling and googling and can not find the answer ! why because ur "independent source" is stupid and throw hate comments without knowledge..
you can't answer the most simple questions re islams teachings or koran lol
you clearly can't comprehend what an 'independent source' is can you lol?
yep, people with morals/values/intellect who pity you as shackled/lied to & care about its innocent victims will and do hate islam due to how sick/insecure/dirty the hoax is
re knowledge...its YOU who can't read...is gullible/backward lol
@housse51 Islam is the greatest lie ever told. The Quran is nothing but sayings that Mohammad's followers could remember thrown together 20 yrs after he DIED.
That is why there are so many contridictions in the Quran. There is a vid about this on my channel if you want to learn the truth.
@FindingIslam Yeah..its like 1000 years from now,a hater say that soviet never existed its just a lie made by bunch of western idiots..It is called THEORY..created to distort history so that some stupid muslim can have doubt about Qur'an
I can show u many reasons showing that Qur'an is Authentic..U on the other hand relies on bogus informations
'Ala kulli hal.. Just Create an imitation of Qur'an if u can.. if u cant shut it.. U dont know anything about arabic let alone quran..
@housse51 No theory involved you fool. Just learn to read the Quran and hadiths.
Muhammad couldn't read or write. His followers were to memorize what ever evil came from Muhammad. Many followers were killed in Jihad after Mohammad death. About 20 or so yrs later his followers wrote things down. That is the followers that hadn't died in Jihad battle, killing innocent ppl.
I ask u.. please.. consider learning islam from the right source before u learn it from others.. I mean to learn islam u go to a muslim scholar.. not christians or buddhists or atheists!! u go to someone FIRM in knowledge about islam.. to do it, u can get contact with any pious muslims in ur community and i am sure inshaAllah theyll be able to show u where u could get the right and valid source of knowledge..
@FindingIslam The Answer is yes and no at the same time.. because there are a lot of tools which needs to be used to extract a VALID UNDERSTANDING from those sources.. thats why we need scholars.. AND that is why many of ur sources (christians atheist and the like) use weak and unreliable hadith & quranic interpretations..
If u got a shred of understanding of what i said.. U would never ask that kind o question
@proudfemale ANSWER THE QUESTION OR ADMIT that u DONT KNOW !!
this is the 3rd time.. after this.. if u still want to "brawl" without answering my educative question, go find somebody else bcause i cant see any point talking w/ u
"Leaving Islam is similar to treason. You are betraying the brotherhood and the Islamic government."
This is exactly why so many Muslims obey blindly. All the intelligent Muslims who think for themselves and later realize Muhammad is full of shit, is killed by brainwashed followers. This is similar to when people finally began to claim the world is round, but got killed for disagreeing with the church. There's good in Islam, but also far too much evil, this religion isn't inspired by God.
Aww come on. The penalty for treason is death too. Leaving Islam is similar to treason. You are betraying the brotherhood and the Islamic government. This penalty can only be carried out in Islamic states. And besides, its not like the disbelievers are being punished. People are becoming so soft. Man up guys.
that is normal thay should be killed because those kind of people they will spread lies about islam in order to be respected by the kuffar and receive money or by promoting their book etc for example kafira hirsi ali
@TheMohamedroudani you DIRTY weak wimp of a submissive slaveboy...but you do do a great job of showing on here how DIRTY and INSECURE islam is, as well as muslims like yourself
you clearly lack the mental capacity to know that not ALL are gullible/weak like you and can READ the errors/nonsense in koran which prove islam a cruel hoax
its really SICK that yu claim people with brains/integrity 'should' be killed
islam is SO WEAK, SO VERY INSECURE with such proof of its immorality
An Imam is just someone who knows enough Qu'ran to lead the prayer. It doesn't mean he is qualified to give an answer like this. I'm sorry that no self respecting Muslim scholar would come on a show just to get talked over and allowed only sound-bites in preference to actual dialogue and discussion, because then someone might actually learn something.
4:89 "...But if they turn renegades ("reject faith"), seize them and SLAY them wherever ye find them"
4.88-9 (Hilali-Khan).... Comment: Ali Sina This verse is a command to slay apostates. “emigrate in the way of Allah” (Arabic: “yuhajiroo fee sabili Allahi”, transliterated: “make Hijra in the way of Allah”) means; interpreting “hijra” in its spiritual sense, to “become Muslim” and thus people who “turn back” are turning back or away from Islam – i.e. becoming apostate....
Deuteronomy 13:7 "of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9"But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."
@skiesofblue2011 that doesn't say if you denounce your faith you will be killed.. Also, despite me not being Christian, I know Deuteronomy is old testament. OLD. Christians live by new testament. Jews live by the old testament. Christians may however, take and interpret stories from the old testament. Most don't believe them to be accounts but rather cryptic stories and messages.
So ?? yes, penalty for apostasy in islamic country is death penalty done by the judge after the case is established and the person has been given proper understanding of the misunderstood subject matter..
All of islamic rulings is to encourage people to enter islam and prevent any harm to the islamic society like crimes, immorals and kufr&shirk..
@CarolineOskarsson To really make you understand this matter in islam, there are many things to discuss first so that you can understand it properly.. because the answer is not a simple yes and no answer (because you ask me what i think).. although it will come down to "yes"..
remember that it is done by the judge after the case is established with all its intricate details.. so dont picture conan slaying monsters :D
If you dont understand the root you cant understand the branch..
I don't understand why they should be killed just because they don't believe in the religion anymore? It's crazy and barbaric. I know some people from muslim countries like Iran and they are not following Islam anymore and i don't understand why people like you want these people to be killed beacuse of it?
@housse51 purleeze...you give such idiotic childish 'excuses' for the immorality/filth and INSECURITY of islam
you think people who know the errors in koran which prove islam a hoax, those who don't support the obscene levels of human misery/abuse that islam inflicts don't 'understand' that islam is to control the gullible by taught fears
as caroline notes, you show how SICK IN THE HEAD you are....you too are a victim of the filth/hoax of islam
"immorality/filth" funny.. atheist does not have the right to talk about immorality, because you dont have anything to anchor your moral value to begin with, so if america decides killing innocents in iraq is un-immoral/filthy then it is right.. NO sister no..
"INSECURITY of islam" I dont even know what youre talking about.. Tell me, how many scholar of islam who apostate ?? if you find it zilch then shut it, if not tell me
"people who know the errors in koran" like you ? hahaha
@proudfemale "childish nonsense" yeah just type whatever you want
"muslims the MOST" where ? America ? Living in america is HARAM in the first place for average muslims.. Childish or stupid?
"islam has penalty of MURDER for those who don't believe/leave islam" disbelieve and apostasy is a very different case.. dnt mix them up !!!
"SCARED SILLY of losing control of the minds of muslims" hey where are u from? mars?? btw in earth nowadays there are NO country th actually implement this
@proudfemale On the contrary i can name perhaps dozen people whos parents atheist but they windup being muslims..
"PITIFUL INSEURITY" told u SHUT IT if you cant name a single muslim scholar who apostate !!! unlike christianity, we can name dozens of them
"MILLIONS of those you call muslim don't believe.." ??? HAHAHA weak in eeman yes.. dont believe err..not exactly true.. CLAIMING is apparently one of your most obvious features..
you really are dumb....muslims ARE brainwashed & scared silly of leaving islam...do you really think any scholar who doesn't believe would 'announce' it
yep MILLIONS...there's a massive groundswell of non belief occurring in your ummah...and according to muslim leaders its among the more educated
this will cut you out lol....you will never be a real man, always shackled as a submissive weak wimp
having DEATH for leaving PROVES islams insecurity...shameful weak insecurity
@proudfemale "do you really think any scholar who doesn't believe would 'announce' it"
CLAIMING AGAIN !!
"yep MILLIONS" we use the term "dont believe" ALSO for a person whose very weak in eeman.. not LITERALLY.. u are a dumb atheist.. please if u hear muslim speaking with other muslim.. and u want to make a claim consult it first with a muslim..
"this will cut you out lol" hahahahha.. i am really laughing..XD
@proudfemale "having DEATH for leaving PROVES islams insecurity...shameful weak insecurity" OK MISS SCHOLAR of islam, i want to ask just one question.. DONT BLABBER ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE AGAIN BEFORE U ANSWER THIS !! :
WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND REASON / STORY of this hukm / legislation ?
you want to give EXCUSES for islams filth/insecurity/immorality
how well you show the filth of islam and what a low life you are that you support people who can read the errors in koran/think for themselves/dont wish to be shackled & controlled by the hoax of islam should be killed
you dirty boy...islam is SO FILTHY, so repulsive & attracts the weak, just as you show
"blablabla should be killed" If you now the answer of the question I gave u, then it would be clear.. ie the purpose of capital punishment..
BUT YOU CANT ANSWER IT.. you are not so smart after all
"you clearly know zilch about atheists" well i know a thing or two.. mostly they are angry at god and some of them just want to follow their desires&whims..
and the "scientist" ur talking about many of them ARE DEIST, and AGNOSTIC (meaning they DONT deny god ENTIRELY), you are atheist because you are dumb, not because of knowledge
"atheists know islamic" errr.. NO they dont know.. mostly theyre just trying to be smart like u..
@housse51 LOL wimp...Im atheist because I don't believe in gods - and whats more its an irrefutable fact there isn't a shred of proof of any god...but evolution is proven beyond dispute
how amusing, a muslim calls me dumb....when he believes nonsense/deceit to be true & accepts being lied to
why would it be atheists are the least represented in crime/prison/immorality...and muslims the most
youre saying people with intellect/morals SHOULD BE KILLED -how well you show the filth of islam
Ahh.. Nostalgia.. I remember our last debate.. U are exactly like this.. when cornered u just blaber a bunch of garbage.. throwing pebbles at the thick wall.. Intelectuals are people who based their view on the matter after they have understood it whole heartedly.. U cant even answer a single question.. if u want to just "brawl".. lets take it outside !!
U think i was throwing excuses ? read again.. I was throwing a QUESTION.. I'll rephrase that question then, plus in capital so u can read it understand it and do ur homework :
WHAT IS THE STORY, OR MORE CORRECTLY THE HISTORY or INCIDENT THAT LED THE PROPHET 'alayhi salatu wassalam DECLARE THIS CAPITAL PUNISHMENT TO BE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN SHARIA ??
look this is just the begining of the questions.. i told u there are 8 of em.. IF U DONT KNOW A THING THEN I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SHUT U UP !!!! (thats 4 exclamation mark if u know what i mean)
"'independent' source." displaying another stupidity.. up until almost 1000 years after islam wetern stupid civilization is LITERALLY IN THE GUTTER.. YOUR KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM US.. WE ARE THE ONE WHO PRESERVE THE KNOWLEDGE FROM GREEKS etc.. EVERY MUSLIM who read this know.. This Independent thingy ur talking about is HATE COMMENTS and FALSE DOCUMENTARIES.. most of them HAD BEEN ADDRESSED by muslims..
"you want to give EXCUSES" I AM TIRED of giving you reasons.. since you are THINKING that YOU ARE SMART.. so i decide TO TEACH YOU ABOUT MY RELIGION.. so i did GIVE you just ONE question and it will be UR HOMEWORK.. ANSWER IT OR ADMIT THAT U ARE just simply dumb.. lucky 4 U te other "smart" guy I gave him 8 (thats EIGHT) questions.. guess what he can answer.. NONE that means NOT EVEN ONE
@housse51 there can be NO reason/excuse/justification for penalty of death for those who don't believe or leave islam
and whats more submissive slaveboy, you DONT HAVE THE RIGHT to tell me to shut it or not reply lol
astronomy predates islam by 16,000 years, science/medicine also predate it...and its really funny you 'don't know this' and claim our knowledge comes from muslims LOL
so whats your excuse for how backward your ummah is now...and the errors of that era included in your koran lol
i'll rephrase that 4 u, "people who claim to know the errors in koran"
I remembered commenting ur "claim" You were just going back and forth on my answers..
"levels of human misery/abuse that islam inflicts " READ HISTORY sister
"show islam as DIRTY" And what atheism is not dirtier ?? if islam is dirty, then atheism is.. phew I cant work out the math.. and remember YOU follow that believe > atheism..
@housse51 yes, we certainly do read history AND we see on daily basis how muslims still hate,loathe,despise and kill each other
its really comical that you think 'non belief in gods' equates to dirty LOL
you show how islam attracts,retains the backward/gullible
so you're now telling us that VAST MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS/WORDS BRIGHTEST INTELLECTS are dirty...but muslim males who rip the bottoms of small boys are 'good and clean' LOL
@proudfemale "muslims still hateblabla" on what basis? religion ?? NO !! except for some shiite or those who claim to have new prophets, because they are not muslim.. talking about CLAIMING.. ~.~'
BUT i was telling you to read history about human abuse/misery !! WHERE !
"its really comical blabla" rape, murder,oppression,prostitution, tell me what objective value does atheist have concerning this?? ZILCH.. the ONLY REASON atheists still behave is because religion is still around..
"you will never be a real man" >> yeah ?? i am very thrilled that u say this despite the fact that u are a "FEMALE"
"always shackled as a submissive weak wimp" : ask any one muslim is submitting to GOD not country and not anything else, but TOU and the other atheist submit to who? ofcourse you OWN WHIMS AND DESIRES AND IDEAS.. dont try to flip it around.. it very funny whe u do that XD
@housse51 muslims are indeed shackled...they follow comically inane rules/commands & pagan rituals...and you've shown how shackled they are re your filthy excuses for killing of apostates
'real' men don't accept being shackled/lied to and neither do they support they obscene human misery islam inflicts on its innocent victims...but you do
you think people MUST BE KILLED for having morals/intellect....what a dirty weak boy you are
@housse51 you clearly know zilch about atheists who in fact come from all walks of life/all countries
Im LAUGHING you claim they behave is because religion is still around....atheists know islamic teachings/behaviours as 'repulsive'
I suggest you learn islamic history from an 'independent' source...instead of accepting being conned and lied to by those with a vested interest in keeping you shackled lol
@proudfemale people like u are just "trying to prove" that u are better.. u got ZILCH foundation for being good !! Comical ?? type whatever u want..
"but muslim males who rip blabla"u know that in ISLAM it is NOT ALLOWED, and the basis of this right and wrong is clear..but u on the other hand if america wants to kill people in hiroshima all they should do to make that right is throw bunch of hollywood movies for gullible western atheist like u..once u decide it is right then it is..
LUKE 16:25 "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.
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The idea that a Muslim cannot leave the faith on pain of death shows that Islam is autocratic and cold. A child who is born to Muslim parents, raised as a Muslim, but as an adult comes to doubt what they have been spoon-fed to believe is branded an apostate and put to death. Why is Islam so nervous about losing members? Any TRUE faith can surely withstand doubters, either from without or within? But then, Islam does mean submission and Moslems must NOT be allowed to think for themselves.
Hey asukez if your a historian you suck...in the book of enoch which you should know is the grandfather of Moses he writes in his book that he was taken up to the heavens and saw the whole ROUND of the earth this is at the same time they thought the earth was flat....did they kill him.
Christianity didn't have to threaten it's members with death if they left the Church to grow by leaps and bounds. Pray for the Iranian Pastor who may be executed because he refuses to reject Christianity.
in islam there is a death penalty for apostasy because by doing so they betrayed islam. for example if im an u.s.a army commander and i join the russia army than i betrayed the u.s.a and death will be the punishment. islam is peace and fair.
@asukez Let me clear something up that Musslims get totally wrong with us christians! the Bible can say anything but if is in the Old testament, then we dont follow it, the old testament is for the jews, we have it to proof the jesus is the messiah, We follow Jesus and the New Testament..so find me something in the New testament that u think is wrong then u have a conversation piece with me, but if u quote from the old testament then argue with a Jew :)
@asukez The word Bible is a latin word Biblioteca which means Library! and that is exactly what it is the Bible consist of 73 books,,but like i said before we Christians follow Jesus and the New testament
@asukez hmmm it has 73 books not 73 authors..and the Bible is 100% real, and if is so fake like u musslims claim how come the Qur'an doesnt say that the Bible is corrupted? the Qur'an even teaches that the Bible is the word of God and that it cant not change!! so if u say the Bible has been change, then ur saying the Qur'an was wrong!! so either the Bible is the word of god like it claims or its corrupted and ur Qur'an was wrong in saying the word of God doesnt change PICK UR POISING
@njfreddy dude you are deadly mistaking. the quran said that bible is corrupted wtf where did you get such information? bible says earth is flat how can this be the word of god. doesnt god know that earth is round.? but i as muslim agree that not the whole bible is corrupt it surely contains words from god and prohpets. thats why muhammed pbuh had forbidden it to write any saying of him, because he was afraid that people would mix it with gods word. christians are people of the books like jews.
@asukez Isaiah 40:20..... It does not say the earth is flat. Nice try dude.
Now in Isaiah 11:12 does say the 4 corners of the earth, which is poetic writing first of all... Secondly, when you say "the corner of your eye" you are by no means inferring that your eye is flat. It is a figure of speach.
@aninjru dude im a historian, when a christian believed that the earth is not flat he was executed. christianity thaught their folowers to believe what the church said. if you disagreed you was marked as a pagan. the first men to discover that the earth is round are the amazighen, the owners of el hamra palace.
@aninjru dude im a historian, when a christian believed that the earth is not flat he was executed. christianity thaught their folowers to believe what the church said. if you disagreed you was marked as a pagan. the first men to discover that the earth is round are the amazighen, the owners of el hamra palace.
@asukez Dude there is no such thing in the Qur'an that says the Bible is corrupted NONE!! Show me the verses!! But i can proof to you from ur Qur'an where it says to go to the people of the book when ur in doubt....Surah 10:94...and surah 21:7 God tells muhammed again that whatever he doesnt know to go to the people of the Book...and in Surah 29:46 it tells u not to argue and to believe what was reveal to the us and you..so why would God send you to read the Bible if is corrupted??
@njfreddy yea it says what was revealed to them. WAS so not wat is. the verses has changed. when ALLAH talked about the ghospel he always dais the book wich was revealed to jesus. not on of his conpanions or authors who lived 150 years after jesus pbuh
@asukez You musslems claim that Allah reveal a book to jesus!! and what book is that??u have no shred of evidence that God gave Jesus a Book, then where is it?? how come even us chriistians never heard ot seen a book giving to Jesus..anyways the bible was written before the close of the first century by those who either knew Christ personally, had encountered him, or were under the direction of those who were His disciples.Not 150 years Later!! do reaserch!! and answer me this Question..
@asukez How come u believe what is said about Jesus in the Qura'an even though it was written 600+ years later By a guy who claims he saw an angel with no witness to his claims but dont believe the first hand testamony of the People that walk, talk ate , slept, Laugh with Jesus himself?
all the bad thinks what happend in islamic country is becase europe and america kill and tourtre this pepol in the name of god christianty tourture childeren women raped killd thats why all pepol there have psyical proglems all war the eurpen or american becan allwayse tell pepol lies they began becase i dont know for what evrywhere are american soldiers eurpean all over the world ,why is not muslim islamic soldiers all over the world
THE MUSLIM GIRL SWERVED THE QUESTION BY LYING THROUGH HER BROWN TEETH! SHE KNOWS IF SHE LEFT ISLAM SHE WOULD BE KILLED AND THEREFOR WOULD NEVER SAY IT ON TELEVISION!!
Whats the relevance between what happens in an Islamic country and a British country? Is this guy a complete nut?! He probably WANTS sharia law in Britain and teaches children to want sharia too. What a self destructive bonehead.
please stop saying stupid things like killing a guy if he leaves islam.thats absolutely wrooooooooooooooooooooong.prophet mohammad pbuh said that you cant force religion on anybody
@faycal198 ..yeah and he also said in later verses of quran, if someone leaves the religion to kill him..we all KNOW the later verses cancel out the earlier ones!! good try!! its called ABROGATION..the imam said it right, ! and now you are embarrassed because it shows islam is a barbarian religion. too bad, too sad!
@peacechild61 first quran is different than what mohammad said.it is the word of god.second that s wrong and if it is true i will leave islam.three if the imam said it that doesn t meen he is right.if a man made a mistake that doesn t meen the whole religion is wrong for exemple if i told u that a father in a church raped a little girl do u believe me.the guy is wrong but u cant blame the whole religion.4 hey buddy islam is all about peace
@peacechild61 first quran is different than what mohammad said.it is the word of god.second that s wrong and if it is true i will leave islam.three if the imam said it that doesn t meen he is right.if a man made a mistake that doesn t meen the whole religion is wrong for exemple if i told u that a father in a church raped a little girl do u believe me.the guy is wrong but u cant blame the whole religion.4 hey buddy islam is all about peace
@peacechild61 first quran is different than what mohammad said.it is the word of god.second that s wrong and if it is true i will leave islam.three if the imam said it that doesn t meen he is right.if a man made a mistake that doesn t meen the whole religion is wrong for exemple if i told u that a father in a church raped a little girl do u believe me.the guy is wrong but u cant blame the whole religion.4 hey buddy islam is all about peace
Piece of shit fails to see a connection.. guys.. give us another big religious war, lasting 40-50 years.. Kill each other off so the rest can live in peace, without brain washing and religious terror, this is going too slow and doesn't brng anything.. heck if i die too it will be worth it if the world will finally get rid off religions afterwards.. i am really sick of this crap.
And we would probably solve the overpopulation problem for a while.
No wonder they had to write their own version of the UDHR, removing the bits about equal rights for: women; people with other gender orientations; people with other religions; and, so on.
To think that people actually believe Islam. Have they no education?
I have read enough of the Quran to know that it is just man-made rubbish, originated by an ignorant, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, plagiarising bigot who heard voices in his head that he assumed to be from his invisible friend.
Professor of Islamic Studies at Cambridge University Tim Winter (Abdul Hakim Murad) would disagree with Dr. Muhammad Mukadam that the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for apostasy in Islam. He points out that very few 'ulama in the Muslim world agree with death for apostasy.
@bilverkstan Sorry I meant 10000 every day convert FROM Islam to Christianity in Africa and I heard that on Al Jazira. By the way many many ex-muslims exists in the middle east who never publicly proclaim their conversion to other religions or apostasy from the fear of their lives. They will be killed if they come out. If there was freedom and then a census was taken I guarantee you the number of Muslims would be MUCH lower than what people claim now.
@bilverkstan Actually more Muslims are leaving Islam than entering it! 70% of all converts according to stats leave Islam after a few years. In Africa almost every day close to 10000 people convert to Islam and heard that on AlJazira! Most people who convert to Islam in the west are criminals. The others are women who marry Muslim men and are converted by their husbands without knowing much about Islam. More Muslims are leaving in secret than you can count since they fear for their lives.
This imam is wrong he did not name any surah or verse from the quran to back is statement. First show where it says in the Quran. It doesn't say anywhere.
@Hamzah41081 That has nothing to do with the actuality of what happens though. That's the point. It's not about it being written in the doctrine (because clearly something that insane will not be on paper) it is truly only the matter of how the people around you will respond to your apostasy. Call it in "hidden" rule if you will, but this is common in quite a lot of extremist religions.
If this imam or you claim(s) something (especially this big claim), than he or you MUST back it up from the Quran or Hadith. I dare you to show me in the Quran.
I have read the Quran and I can tell you that it doesn't say anywhere. And I have also asked a imam and he said that their is no such thing in the Quran or Hadith. Those tv-channels invite dumb-ass imams to come and say stupid thing. This imam must back his statement and he doesn't.
"There is no compulsion in religion" the Quran in Surah 2.256
"Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion" the Quran in Surah 109.6
@Hamzah41081 You want Hadith? Here is Hadith: Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
Chapter 6: WHEN IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO TAKE THE LIFE OF A MUSLIM
Sahih Muslim, Book 016, Number 4152:
'Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community.
Sirat Rasoul Allah "The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them, except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaba. Among them was Abdullah Sa'd, brother of the B. Amir Luayy......Continue---->
@Hamzah41081 ....Continue ---> The reason he ordered him to be killed was that he had been a Muslim and used to write down revelation; then he apostatized and returned to Quraysh and fled to Uthman Affan whose foster brother he was. The latter hid him until he brought him to the apostle after the situation in Mecca was tranquil, and asked that he might be granted immunity. They allege that the apostle remained silent for a long time till finally he said yes.
@Hamzah41081 Al Tabari: Abu Bakr’s letter to the apostates.… So God guided with the truth whoever responded to Him, and the Apostle of God, with His permission, struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly.… I have learned that some of you have turned back from your religion after you had acknowledged Islam and labored in it, out of negligence of God and ignorance of His command, and in compliance with the devil…. continue---->
Please go back to the Islamic countries and practise there, you urinate in the same plate from which you eat from!
meeursh 1 month ago
No doubt this guy fucks pigs like the fuckwit he bows to none other they that cowardly fuck Allah
MrZzr12 1 month ago
lol
christians also kill who leave christianity
they do it in egypt
stop with ur lies and double standards
cuttiepie00 1 month ago
@cuttiepie00 ...and how does that make the way muslims handle apostasy right? no, it doesn't? well, there you go. your "argument" is an ad hominem or to be precise a tu quoque and has no bearing on the point made.
MichaelLV99 1 month ago
@MichaelLV99
if i converted to christianty i wont be killed
the penalty for leaving islam is not death
a great majority of muslim thinkers refuse this idea based on the verse in quran that says There is no compulsion in religion.
beacuse if someone left islam that means they dont believe in it anymore and u cant force someone to believe .. and if i mislead u in my previous comment then am sorry
cuttiepie00 1 month ago
@cuttiepie00 Point is that there are no higher authorities in islam as far as I know, like for instance the pope. Interpretations on any holy book don't impress me much since depending on the person you can get contradictory views. So I can only rely on things like sharia law or how it is lived to base my view of islam on. As atheist I'm in general equally against all religions, like you can find in any religion the crazies and the meek, religion enables both.
MichaelLV99 1 month ago
@MichaelLV99
we have muhammed his words is the highest authority and the book of god .. and we have so many people who studied and is studying the quran and sunnah to interpret it some thing are clear and others r not ..we dont need a pope to give us a key to heaven muslim relationship with god is clear if u obey him u go to heaven ..we have differences sure but we agree on the major things god is one we disagree on small things unlike christian who have different beliefs
cuttiepie00 1 month ago
@cuttiepie00 Divine commandments like who is to be killed and for what is important don't you think? Still there are disagreements about that. How come? Shouldn't the "word" be explicit and not free to interpretation about such an important point? As far as I know christians also agree on major concepts like the divinity of jesus and the nature of god. Grace, I think you agree, is an immoral concept but they don't disagree on that issue.
MichaelLV99 1 month ago
There's no admittance here. He's stating a fact. Like it or leave it.
shebzydon 2 months ago
What's the relevance between what happens in an islamic country an Great Britain?
Muslims in the UK are still a meager 1.5 million souls...
But they're numbers are growing, and fast!
comeonbrazil 2 months ago
XD
housse51 2 months ago
The connection is pretty clear. There are those who want to impose their ancient savage superstition on the free people in civilized countries including the US and the UK. If these kooks had their way, the same savage rules would be applied in the UK as are applied in his beloved superstitious Islamic cesspools.
wrjamescom 2 months ago
@wrjamescom hey smart guy.. not attacking u here.. but really??
u forget that those free stupid countries of the west COLONIZED most of the muslim countries UNTIL TODAY, trying to IMPOSE stupid DEMOCRACY over them ?
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 and WHICH countries have muslims invaded imposing islam LOL
why would muslims clambour over themselves to get to west and be calling out for democracy in ME re your claim of 'stupid" LOL
lets look at your dirty prick mohammed and what he did shall we kid
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale
"WHAT questions blabla LOL" LOLLIPOP !!! I dont know.. I CANT READ it either ~.~' (thats sarkasm)
I will not respond to ur pebble-throwing-distracting-garbage..ur just trying to dodge..U DONT KNOW ANYTHING !! yet u still think ur self intelegent..anyone can see what ur doing here..GOOD JOB..
JUST ADMIT IT.. U DONT KNOW NOTHING !! ALL UR QUESTION AND TRASH-COMMENTS is worthless, Ur just CLAIMING AND CLAIMING again.. distorting history.. I mean.. COME ON !! U dont even KNOW history!!
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 you're not even coherent LOL
its comically amusing that you can't answer questions re your claims, and call facts,truths,reality to be trash and worthless
who's distorting history...we KNOW islams vile history
remember how Uthman said he HAD to leave out so much when compiling koran re mohammed, as most people would find it just too disgraceful/disgusting
what COULD be worse than what we already know the sick deviant scumbag....the murderer of innocents, the rapist/thief/pedo
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale " its comically amusing " dont try to justify ur pebble-throwing-dodging-distracting comments.. lets pull this of ONE BY ONE.. I LL SMACK EVERY CLAIM U THROW.. if not ur simply just going to throw another garbage when u are CORNERED !! "who's distorting history" YOU and ur stupid INDEPENDENT SOURCE
"how Uthman said blablabla " thats ANOTHER SUBJECT.. ANSWER MY QUESTION FIRST THEN i'll CRUSH EVERY INCH of YOUR CLAIM
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale THIS IS THE LAST WARNING
ANSWER ONE BY ONE.. I'll SHOW EVERYONE how mouthful you are
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 answer WHAT one by one
tell me, WHEN did the purported adam live LOL
and was he really 90ft tall?
and why is it there isn't a shred of proof of any allah AND errors in koran lol
im laughing that you, the weak submissive slaveboy controlled by islam, thinks he can warn me about anything LOL
you're to be pitied...koran proves you've been lied to and you prove how gullible you are
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale HAHaHA I can imagine u googling and googling and can not find the answer ! why because ur "independent source" is stupid and throw hate comments without knowledge..
Blaber all u like.. GOOD BYE
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 you dribble the most inane nonsense LOL
you can't answer the most simple questions re islams teachings or koran lol
you clearly can't comprehend what an 'independent source' is can you lol?
yep, people with morals/values/intellect who pity you as shackled/lied to & care about its innocent victims will and do hate islam due to how sick/insecure/dirty the hoax is
re knowledge...its YOU who can't read...is gullible/backward lol
proudfemale 2 months ago
@housse51 Islam is the greatest lie ever told. The Quran is nothing but sayings that Mohammad's followers could remember thrown together 20 yrs after he DIED.
That is why there are so many contridictions in the Quran. There is a vid about this on my channel if you want to learn the truth.
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@FindingIslam Yeah..its like 1000 years from now,a hater say that soviet never existed its just a lie made by bunch of western idiots..It is called THEORY..created to distort history so that some stupid muslim can have doubt about Qur'an
I can show u many reasons showing that Qur'an is Authentic..U on the other hand relies on bogus informations
'Ala kulli hal.. Just Create an imitation of Qur'an if u can.. if u cant shut it.. U dont know anything about arabic let alone quran..
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 No theory involved you fool. Just learn to read the Quran and hadiths.
Muhammad couldn't read or write. His followers were to memorize what ever evil came from Muhammad. Many followers were killed in Jihad after Mohammad death. About 20 or so yrs later his followers wrote things down. That is the followers that hadn't died in Jihad battle, killing innocent ppl.
FindingIslam 2 months ago
@FindingIslam 1
"No theory involved" XD, I can see that u dont understand a thing..
"Just learn to read.." There are more than to just "read".. that is why there are scholars..
"Muhammad couldn't read or write" Alhamdulillah
"His followers were to memorize blabla" yeah.. and WROTE IT DOWN too
Ur really naive..u think a muslim dont know this history?
They KNOW and I KNOW.. U on the other hand keep listening to lies and filth that came out of atheists mouths..
housse51 2 months ago
@FindingIslam 2
I ask u.. please.. consider learning islam from the right source before u learn it from others.. I mean to learn islam u go to a muslim scholar.. not christians or buddhists or atheists!! u go to someone FIRM in knowledge about islam.. to do it, u can get contact with any pious muslims in ur community and i am sure inshaAllah theyll be able to show u where u could get the right and valid source of knowledge..
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 You mean the Quran and hadiths aren't a good source to learn about Islam?
FindingIslam 2 months ago
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@FindingIslam The Answer is yes and no at the same time.. because there are a lot of tools which needs to be used to extract a VALID UNDERSTANDING from those sources.. thats why we need scholars.. AND that is why many of ur sources (christians atheist and the like) use weak and unreliable hadith & quranic interpretations..
If u got a shred of understanding of what i said.. U would never ask that kind o question
"You mean ... aren't a good source...?"
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale ANSWER THE QUESTION OR ADMIT that u DONT KNOW !!
this is the 3rd time.. after this.. if u still want to "brawl" without answering my educative question, go find somebody else bcause i cant see any point talking w/ u
housse51 2 months ago
"Leaving Islam is similar to treason. You are betraying the brotherhood and the Islamic government."
This is exactly why so many Muslims obey blindly. All the intelligent Muslims who think for themselves and later realize Muhammad is full of shit, is killed by brainwashed followers. This is similar to when people finally began to claim the world is round, but got killed for disagreeing with the church. There's good in Islam, but also far too much evil, this religion isn't inspired by God.
meszenger 3 months ago
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meszenger 3 months ago
Aww come on. The penalty for treason is death too. Leaving Islam is similar to treason. You are betraying the brotherhood and the Islamic government. This penalty can only be carried out in Islamic states. And besides, its not like the disbelievers are being punished. People are becoming so soft. Man up guys.
freghorn 3 months ago
@freghorn LOL
how well you show the filth/INSECURITY of islam and the hideous immorality of muslim who call 'intellect/integrity' to be treason LOL
dont lie...this is hideous and very dirty punishment on disbelievers...which shows how SICK/DIRTY islam really is
however,the groundswell of non belief is happening DESPITE islams filth...its occurring among the more educated, not the gullible wimps
proudfemale 2 months ago
islam is for terrorists
blopajmbar62 3 months ago
that is normal thay should be killed because those kind of people they will spread lies about islam in order to be respected by the kuffar and receive money or by promoting their book etc for example kafira hirsi ali
TheMohamedroudani 3 months ago
@TheMohamedroudani you DIRTY weak wimp of a submissive slaveboy...but you do do a great job of showing on here how DIRTY and INSECURE islam is, as well as muslims like yourself
you clearly lack the mental capacity to know that not ALL are gullible/weak like you and can READ the errors/nonsense in koran which prove islam a cruel hoax
its really SICK that yu claim people with brains/integrity 'should' be killed
islam is SO WEAK, SO VERY INSECURE with such proof of its immorality
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale there are many proofs that islam is the truth, the question is are you ready to accept the truth????????????
TheMohamedroudani 2 months ago
@TheMohamedroudani yep...people with intellect always accept truth/facts/realities - thats why were not muslim
dont lie...THERE ISNT A SHRED OF PROOF of any allah....absolutely zilch
so why do you lie...the errors of that era in koran prove islam a hoax
there is NO PROOF islam is truth...none whatsoever
its time to grow up, wake up and stop being such a weak submissive ignorant
proudfemale 2 months ago
i had sex with that girl at 0:02 few yrz back
btw, im muslim myself but i think that this imam is a liar and an asshole
terajasoos 3 months ago 2
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@terajasoos why do you say such thing about your muslim sister man respect your sister man do not act like the kuffar brother
TheMohamedroudani 3 months ago
Richard Dawkins is a hero..
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
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Allah AK-BAR!!! a selective-fire, gas-operated 7.62×39mm assault rifle, first developed in Saudi Arabia by funky mullahs
DarkprinX2500 3 months ago
An Imam is just someone who knows enough Qu'ran to lead the prayer. It doesn't mean he is qualified to give an answer like this. I'm sorry that no self respecting Muslim scholar would come on a show just to get talked over and allowed only sound-bites in preference to actual dialogue and discussion, because then someone might actually learn something.
ZarruqFilms 4 months ago
The penalty for leaving Atheism, is stupidity and adherence to stultifying dogma.
aoxomoxoa88 4 months ago 2
@aoxomoxoa88 LOL
so you're saying the atheists who then convert to islam (that muslims boast about) are stupid...yes, I agree
proudfemale 2 months ago
schnellmann. org/death_for_apostasy.html
yabay101 4 months ago
4:89 "...But if they turn renegades ("reject faith"), seize them and SLAY them wherever ye find them"
4.88-9 (Hilali-Khan).... Comment: Ali Sina This verse is a command to slay apostates. “emigrate in the way of Allah” (Arabic: “yuhajiroo fee sabili Allahi”, transliterated: “make Hijra in the way of Allah”) means; interpreting “hijra” in its spiritual sense, to “become Muslim” and thus people who “turn back” are turning back or away from Islam – i.e. becoming apostate....
yabay101 4 months ago
The PENALTY for leaving Christianity is DEATH
Deuteronomy 13:7 "of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9"But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."
skiesofblue2011 4 months ago
@skiesofblue2011 that doesn't say if you denounce your faith you will be killed.. Also, despite me not being Christian, I know Deuteronomy is old testament. OLD. Christians live by new testament. Jews live by the old testament. Christians may however, take and interpret stories from the old testament. Most don't believe them to be accounts but rather cryptic stories and messages.
SmileChicky 4 months ago
So ?? yes, penalty for apostasy in islamic country is death penalty done by the judge after the case is established and the person has been given proper understanding of the misunderstood subject matter..
All of islamic rulings is to encourage people to enter islam and prevent any harm to the islamic society like crimes, immorals and kufr&shirk..
housse51 4 months ago
@housse51
So if a muslim leaves Islam you seriously think that they should be killed? You must be sick in the head.
CarolineOskarsson 3 months ago
@CarolineOskarsson To really make you understand this matter in islam, there are many things to discuss first so that you can understand it properly.. because the answer is not a simple yes and no answer (because you ask me what i think).. although it will come down to "yes"..
remember that it is done by the judge after the case is established with all its intricate details.. so dont picture conan slaying monsters :D
If you dont understand the root you cant understand the branch..
housse51 3 months ago
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@housse51
I don't understand why they should be killed just because they don't believe in the religion anymore? It's crazy and barbaric. I know some people from muslim countries like Iran and they are not following Islam anymore and i don't understand why people like you want these people to be killed beacuse of it?
CarolineOskarsson 3 months ago
@housse51 purleeze...you give such idiotic childish 'excuses' for the immorality/filth and INSECURITY of islam
you think people who know the errors in koran which prove islam a hoax, those who don't support the obscene levels of human misery/abuse that islam inflicts don't 'understand' that islam is to control the gullible by taught fears
as caroline notes, you show how SICK IN THE HEAD you are....you too are a victim of the filth/hoax of islam
you're to be pitied...but you show islam as DIRTY
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale 1
"immorality/filth" funny.. atheist does not have the right to talk about immorality, because you dont have anything to anchor your moral value to begin with, so if america decides killing innocents in iraq is un-immoral/filthy then it is right.. NO sister no..
"INSECURITY of islam" I dont even know what youre talking about.. Tell me, how many scholar of islam who apostate ?? if you find it zilch then shut it, if not tell me
"people who know the errors in koran" like you ? hahaha
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 whats with the childish nonsense re immorality/atheism lol
the facts are atheists are the LEAST represented in prisons/crime....muslims the MOST
insecurity lol...islam has penalty of MURDER for those who don't believe/leave islam....its SCARED SILLY of losing control of the minds of muslims lol
such shows its PITIFUL INSEURITY
MILLIONS of those you call muslim don't believe..but forced to be living a lie to stay alive due to islams filth/insecurity
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale "childish nonsense" yeah just type whatever you want
"muslims the MOST" where ? America ? Living in america is HARAM in the first place for average muslims.. Childish or stupid?
"islam has penalty of MURDER for those who don't believe/leave islam" disbelieve and apostasy is a very different case.. dnt mix them up !!!
"SCARED SILLY of losing control of the minds of muslims" hey where are u from? mars?? btw in earth nowadays there are NO country th actually implement this
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale On the contrary i can name perhaps dozen people whos parents atheist but they windup being muslims..
"PITIFUL INSEURITY" told u SHUT IT if you cant name a single muslim scholar who apostate !!! unlike christianity, we can name dozens of them
"MILLIONS of those you call muslim don't believe.." ??? HAHAHA weak in eeman yes.. dont believe err..not exactly true.. CLAIMING is apparently one of your most obvious features..
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 lol
you really are dumb....muslims ARE brainwashed & scared silly of leaving islam...do you really think any scholar who doesn't believe would 'announce' it
yep MILLIONS...there's a massive groundswell of non belief occurring in your ummah...and according to muslim leaders its among the more educated
this will cut you out lol....you will never be a real man, always shackled as a submissive weak wimp
having DEATH for leaving PROVES islams insecurity...shameful weak insecurity
proudfemale 2 months ago
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@proudfemale "do you really think any scholar who doesn't believe would 'announce' it"
CLAIMING AGAIN !!
"yep MILLIONS" we use the term "dont believe" ALSO for a person whose very weak in eeman.. not LITERALLY.. u are a dumb atheist.. please if u hear muslim speaking with other muslim.. and u want to make a claim consult it first with a muslim..
"this will cut you out lol" hahahahha.. i am really laughing..XD
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale "having DEATH for leaving PROVES islams insecurity...shameful weak insecurity" OK MISS SCHOLAR of islam, i want to ask just one question.. DONT BLABBER ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE AGAIN BEFORE U ANSWER THIS !! :
WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND REASON / STORY of this hukm / legislation ?
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 oh purleeze lol
you want to give EXCUSES for islams filth/insecurity/immorality
how well you show the filth of islam and what a low life you are that you support people who can read the errors in koran/think for themselves/dont wish to be shackled & controlled by the hoax of islam should be killed
you dirty boy...islam is SO FILTHY, so repulsive & attracts the weak, just as you show
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale 1
"the errors in koran/" errr... CLAIMING AGAIN..
"blablabla should be killed" If you now the answer of the question I gave u, then it would be clear.. ie the purpose of capital punishment..
BUT YOU CANT ANSWER IT.. you are not so smart after all
"you clearly know zilch about atheists" well i know a thing or two.. mostly they are angry at god and some of them just want to follow their desires&whims..
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale 2
and the "scientist" ur talking about many of them ARE DEIST, and AGNOSTIC (meaning they DONT deny god ENTIRELY), you are atheist because you are dumb, not because of knowledge
"atheists know islamic" errr.. NO they dont know.. mostly theyre just trying to be smart like u..
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 LOL wimp...Im atheist because I don't believe in gods - and whats more its an irrefutable fact there isn't a shred of proof of any god...but evolution is proven beyond dispute
how amusing, a muslim calls me dumb....when he believes nonsense/deceit to be true & accepts being lied to
why would it be atheists are the least represented in crime/prison/immorality...and muslims the most
youre saying people with intellect/morals SHOULD BE KILLED -how well you show the filth of islam
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale 1
Ahh.. Nostalgia.. I remember our last debate.. U are exactly like this.. when cornered u just blaber a bunch of garbage.. throwing pebbles at the thick wall.. Intelectuals are people who based their view on the matter after they have understood it whole heartedly.. U cant even answer a single question.. if u want to just "brawl".. lets take it outside !!
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 WHAT questions submissive slaveboy LOL
you did indeed try to give excuses for murder for apostasy....and you even admit that such filth came from insecurity of your mohammed
you do a great job of exposing how sick/dirty islam is
WHY should people with intellect/morals be killed...when thy can read errors in koran so can't believe
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale 2
U think i was throwing excuses ? read again.. I was throwing a QUESTION.. I'll rephrase that question then, plus in capital so u can read it understand it and do ur homework :
WHAT IS THE STORY, OR MORE CORRECTLY THE HISTORY or INCIDENT THAT LED THE PROPHET 'alayhi salatu wassalam DECLARE THIS CAPITAL PUNISHMENT TO BE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN SHARIA ??
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale 3
look this is just the begining of the questions.. i told u there are 8 of em.. IF U DONT KNOW A THING THEN I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SHUT U UP !!!! (thats 4 exclamation mark if u know what i mean)
Just.. answer point 2..or really.. SHUT IT
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale 3
"'independent' source." displaying another stupidity.. up until almost 1000 years after islam wetern stupid civilization is LITERALLY IN THE GUTTER.. YOUR KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM US.. WE ARE THE ONE WHO PRESERVE THE KNOWLEDGE FROM GREEKS etc.. EVERY MUSLIM who read this know.. This Independent thingy ur talking about is HATE COMMENTS and FALSE DOCUMENTARIES.. most of them HAD BEEN ADDRESSED by muslims..
housse51 2 months ago
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"you want to give EXCUSES" I AM TIRED of giving you reasons.. since you are THINKING that YOU ARE SMART.. so i decide TO TEACH YOU ABOUT MY RELIGION.. so i did GIVE you just ONE question and it will be UR HOMEWORK.. ANSWER IT OR ADMIT THAT U ARE just simply dumb.. lucky 4 U te other "smart" guy I gave him 8 (thats EIGHT) questions.. guess what he can answer.. NONE that means NOT EVEN ONE
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 there can be NO reason/excuse/justification for penalty of death for those who don't believe or leave islam
and whats more submissive slaveboy, you DONT HAVE THE RIGHT to tell me to shut it or not reply lol
astronomy predates islam by 16,000 years, science/medicine also predate it...and its really funny you 'don't know this' and claim our knowledge comes from muslims LOL
so whats your excuse for how backward your ummah is now...and the errors of that era included in your koran lol
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale 5 SHUT IT..
DONT REPLY TO ME AGAIN UTIL U CAN ANSWER
AND IF BY CHANCE U CAN ANSWER I WILL GIVE U ANOTHER QUESTIONS, usually up until 8.. if U CAN ANSWER IT CORRECTLY then you are a legit hater of Islam
housse51 2 months ago
@proudfemale 2
i'll rephrase that 4 u, "people who claim to know the errors in koran"
I remembered commenting ur "claim" You were just going back and forth on my answers..
"levels of human misery/abuse that islam inflicts " READ HISTORY sister
"show islam as DIRTY" And what atheism is not dirtier ?? if islam is dirty, then atheism is.. phew I cant work out the math.. and remember YOU follow that believe > atheism..
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 yes, we certainly do read history AND we see on daily basis how muslims still hate,loathe,despise and kill each other
its really comical that you think 'non belief in gods' equates to dirty LOL
you show how islam attracts,retains the backward/gullible
so you're now telling us that VAST MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS/WORDS BRIGHTEST INTELLECTS are dirty...but muslim males who rip the bottoms of small boys are 'good and clean' LOL
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale "muslims still hateblabla" on what basis? religion ?? NO !! except for some shiite or those who claim to have new prophets, because they are not muslim.. talking about CLAIMING.. ~.~'
BUT i was telling you to read history about human abuse/misery !! WHERE !
"its really comical blabla" rape, murder,oppression,prostitution, tell me what objective value does atheist have concerning this?? ZILCH.. the ONLY REASON atheists still behave is because religion is still around..
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 ... I really cant helpbut to comment..
"you will never be a real man" >> yeah ?? i am very thrilled that u say this despite the fact that u are a "FEMALE"
"always shackled as a submissive weak wimp" : ask any one muslim is submitting to GOD not country and not anything else, but TOU and the other atheist submit to who? ofcourse you OWN WHIMS AND DESIRES AND IDEAS.. dont try to flip it around.. it very funny whe u do that XD
housse51 2 months ago
@housse51 muslims are indeed shackled...they follow comically inane rules/commands & pagan rituals...and you've shown how shackled they are re your filthy excuses for killing of apostates
'real' men don't accept being shackled/lied to and neither do they support they obscene human misery islam inflicts on its innocent victims...but you do
you think people MUST BE KILLED for having morals/intellect....what a dirty weak boy you are
how well you EXPOSE islams filth/insecurity
proudfemale 2 months ago
@housse51 you clearly know zilch about atheists who in fact come from all walks of life/all countries
Im LAUGHING you claim they behave is because religion is still around....atheists know islamic teachings/behaviours as 'repulsive'
I suggest you learn islamic history from an 'independent' source...instead of accepting being conned and lied to by those with a vested interest in keeping you shackled lol
proudfemale 2 months ago
@proudfemale people like u are just "trying to prove" that u are better.. u got ZILCH foundation for being good !! Comical ?? type whatever u want..
"but muslim males who rip blabla"u know that in ISLAM it is NOT ALLOWED, and the basis of this right and wrong is clear..but u on the other hand if america wants to kill people in hiroshima all they should do to make that right is throw bunch of hollywood movies for gullible western atheist like u..once u decide it is right then it is..
housse51 2 months ago
Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
ROBSTA69able 4 months ago
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LUKE 16:25 "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
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Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.
ROBSTA69able 4 months ago
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Show the FULL DEBADE FULL noo just that whot u need to tel let the man speak ,.don be like romasn who did nont let the Isus.a.s To tock...IDIOT
gini20 4 months ago
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ROBSTA69able 4 months ago
The idea that a Muslim cannot leave the faith on pain of death shows that Islam is autocratic and cold. A child who is born to Muslim parents, raised as a Muslim, but as an adult comes to doubt what they have been spoon-fed to believe is branded an apostate and put to death. Why is Islam so nervous about losing members? Any TRUE faith can surely withstand doubters, either from without or within? But then, Islam does mean submission and Moslems must NOT be allowed to think for themselves.
1408alan 4 months ago
I thought Islam was tolerant of other religions and peoples decision to criticize and leave islam.
F-f-f-f-Fucking FAIL.
smk374 4 months ago
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ROBSTA69able 4 months ago
Hey asukez if your a historian you suck...in the book of enoch which you should know is the grandfather of Moses he writes in his book that he was taken up to the heavens and saw the whole ROUND of the earth this is at the same time they thought the earth was flat....did they kill him.
kbuds1 4 months ago
Muslims are fucked up evil,evil,evil baby rapers
kbuds1 4 months ago
@talwad kill this filthy pig Muslim he's a child molester just like the child ass fucker muhPIGman
kennyufc09 4 months ago
Christianity didn't have to threaten it's members with death if they left the Church to grow by leaps and bounds. Pray for the Iranian Pastor who may be executed because he refuses to reject Christianity.
pmoyer50 4 months ago 2
@wajidmajid Where do u get ur info from??
aninjru 5 months ago
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PowerofLove100 5 months ago
in islam there is a death penalty for apostasy because by doing so they betrayed islam. for example if im an u.s.a army commander and i join the russia army than i betrayed the u.s.a and death will be the punishment. islam is peace and fair.
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez Islam is peace and Fair??? hahahahahhaha ur the dumbest perdon on the planet! oh wai so is 1,2 billion of ya,
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy at least we dont believ that the world is flat like said in your bible fairytale bible.
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez we Christians dont believe that either!! so u better get ur facts straight
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy but ure bible does say that . so if you dont believe in the bible what kind of christian are you?
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez Let me clear something up that Musslims get totally wrong with us christians! the Bible can say anything but if is in the Old testament, then we dont follow it, the old testament is for the jews, we have it to proof the jesus is the messiah, We follow Jesus and the New Testament..so find me something in the New testament that u think is wrong then u have a conversation piece with me, but if u quote from the old testament then argue with a Jew :)
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy why do you call it bible than?
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez The word Bible is a latin word Biblioteca which means Library! and that is exactly what it is the Bible consist of 73 books,,but like i said before we Christians follow Jesus and the New testament
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy thats why i say the bible is fake it has 73 authors . those people cant think in the same way exactly.
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez hmmm it has 73 books not 73 authors..and the Bible is 100% real, and if is so fake like u musslims claim how come the Qur'an doesnt say that the Bible is corrupted? the Qur'an even teaches that the Bible is the word of God and that it cant not change!! so if u say the Bible has been change, then ur saying the Qur'an was wrong!! so either the Bible is the word of god like it claims or its corrupted and ur Qur'an was wrong in saying the word of God doesnt change PICK UR POISING
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy dude you are deadly mistaking. the quran said that bible is corrupted wtf where did you get such information? bible says earth is flat how can this be the word of god. doesnt god know that earth is round.? but i as muslim agree that not the whole bible is corrupt it surely contains words from god and prohpets. thats why muhammed pbuh had forbidden it to write any saying of him, because he was afraid that people would mix it with gods word. christians are people of the books like jews.
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez Isaiah 40:20..... It does not say the earth is flat. Nice try dude.
Now in Isaiah 11:12 does say the 4 corners of the earth, which is poetic writing first of all... Secondly, when you say "the corner of your eye" you are by no means inferring that your eye is flat. It is a figure of speach.
aninjru 5 months ago
@aninjru dude im a historian, when a christian believed that the earth is not flat he was executed. christianity thaught their folowers to believe what the church said. if you disagreed you was marked as a pagan. the first men to discover that the earth is round are the amazighen, the owners of el hamra palace.
asukez 5 months ago
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@aninjru dude im a historian, when a christian believed that the earth is not flat he was executed. christianity thaught their folowers to believe what the church said. if you disagreed you was marked as a pagan. the first men to discover that the earth is round are the amazighen, the owners of el hamra palace.
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez Dude there is no such thing in the Qur'an that says the Bible is corrupted NONE!! Show me the verses!! But i can proof to you from ur Qur'an where it says to go to the people of the book when ur in doubt....Surah 10:94...and surah 21:7 God tells muhammed again that whatever he doesnt know to go to the people of the Book...and in Surah 29:46 it tells u not to argue and to believe what was reveal to the us and you..so why would God send you to read the Bible if is corrupted??
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy yea it says what was revealed to them. WAS so not wat is. the verses has changed. when ALLAH talked about the ghospel he always dais the book wich was revealed to jesus. not on of his conpanions or authors who lived 150 years after jesus pbuh
asukez 5 months ago
@asukez You musslems claim that Allah reveal a book to jesus!! and what book is that??u have no shred of evidence that God gave Jesus a Book, then where is it?? how come even us chriistians never heard ot seen a book giving to Jesus..anyways the bible was written before the close of the first century by those who either knew Christ personally, had encountered him, or were under the direction of those who were His disciples.Not 150 years Later!! do reaserch!! and answer me this Question..
njfreddy 5 months ago
@asukez How come u believe what is said about Jesus in the Qura'an even though it was written 600+ years later By a guy who claims he saw an angel with no witness to his claims but dont believe the first hand testamony of the People that walk, talk ate , slept, Laugh with Jesus himself?
njfreddy 5 months ago
@njfreddy : Because he is indoctrinated in to ridiculous horrible superstition, just like you.
bary1234 4 months ago
@bary1234 U name me something that its superstious about Jesus besides that he spoke from the caddle!!
njfreddy 4 months ago
@njfreddy : Every single supernatural claim ever made.
bary1234 4 months ago
@asukez And im still waiting for the verse that u say is in the Koran where it says the Bible is corrupted!!!!!
njfreddy 5 months ago
@xMcLoven ok buddy say what do you want to say believe what do you want to believe in i don t really care
faycal198 5 months ago
all the bad thinks what happend in islamic country is becase europe and america kill and tourtre this pepol in the name of god christianty tourture childeren women raped killd thats why all pepol there have psyical proglems all war the eurpen or american becan allwayse tell pepol lies they began becase i dont know for what evrywhere are american soldiers eurpean all over the world ,why is not muslim islamic soldiers all over the world
Mrbeg27 5 months ago
"Apostasy...Apostrophe is dealth with the death penality"
LOL@slight of words by the Iman
EriPages 5 months ago
THE MUSLIM GIRL SWERVED THE QUESTION BY LYING THROUGH HER BROWN TEETH! SHE KNOWS IF SHE LEFT ISLAM SHE WOULD BE KILLED AND THEREFOR WOULD NEVER SAY IT ON TELEVISION!!
theHatchett1 5 months ago
Whats the relevance between what happens in an Islamic country and a British country? Is this guy a complete nut?! He probably WANTS sharia law in Britain and teaches children to want sharia too. What a self destructive bonehead.
spook79 5 months ago
please stop saying stupid things like killing a guy if he leaves islam.thats absolutely wrooooooooooooooooooooong.prophet mohammad pbuh said that you cant force religion on anybody
faycal198 5 months ago
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spook79 5 months ago
@faycal198 ..yeah and he also said in later verses of quran, if someone leaves the religion to kill him..we all KNOW the later verses cancel out the earlier ones!! good try!! its called ABROGATION..the imam said it right, ! and now you are embarrassed because it shows islam is a barbarian religion. too bad, too sad!
peacechild61 5 months ago
@peacechild61 first quran is different than what mohammad said.it is the word of god.second that s wrong and if it is true i will leave islam.three if the imam said it that doesn t meen he is right.if a man made a mistake that doesn t meen the whole religion is wrong for exemple if i told u that a father in a church raped a little girl do u believe me.the guy is wrong but u cant blame the whole religion.4 hey buddy islam is all about peace
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@peacechild61 first quran is different than what mohammad said.it is the word of god.second that s wrong and if it is true i will leave islam.three if the imam said it that doesn t meen he is right.if a man made a mistake that doesn t meen the whole religion is wrong for exemple if i told u that a father in a church raped a little girl do u believe me.the guy is wrong but u cant blame the whole religion.4 hey buddy islam is all about peace
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@peacechild61 first quran is different than what mohammad said.it is the word of god.second that s wrong and if it is true i will leave islam.three if the imam said it that doesn t meen he is right.if a man made a mistake that doesn t meen the whole religion is wrong for exemple if i told u that a father in a church raped a little girl do u believe me.the guy is wrong but u cant blame the whole religion.4 hey buddy islam is all about peace
faycal198 5 months ago
Piece of shit fails to see a connection.. guys.. give us another big religious war, lasting 40-50 years.. Kill each other off so the rest can live in peace, without brain washing and religious terror, this is going too slow and doesn't brng anything.. heck if i die too it will be worth it if the world will finally get rid off religions afterwards.. i am really sick of this crap.
And we would probably solve the overpopulation problem for a while.
realbojay 5 months ago
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realbojay 5 months ago
No wonder they had to write their own version of the UDHR, removing the bits about equal rights for: women; people with other gender orientations; people with other religions; and, so on.
To think that people actually believe Islam. Have they no education?
I have read enough of the Quran to know that it is just man-made rubbish, originated by an ignorant, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, plagiarising bigot who heard voices in his head that he assumed to be from his invisible friend.
waddletop 5 months ago 2
@waddletop This applies to the Bible as well you hypocrite.
homeros8000 5 months ago
@homeros8000 'This applies to the Bible as well you hypocrite.'
Which bit do you think makes me a hypocrite?
1. There is no Christian version of the UDHR, it is accepted in other religions and by those of no religion;
2. Islam is egregious as a major religion in that most of its followers explicitly prevent education from being available equally; and,
3. Are you talking about the Christian Bible? I only mentioned the Quran - this vid is about Islam - but all Abrahamic religions are rubbish.
waddletop 5 months ago
And what is the punishment of leaving Christianity, according to the Bible?
fahadshippuden 5 months ago
Professor of Islamic Studies at Cambridge University Tim Winter (Abdul Hakim Murad) would disagree with Dr. Muhammad Mukadam that the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for apostasy in Islam. He points out that very few 'ulama in the Muslim world agree with death for apostasy.
bayreuth79 5 months ago
Take all the infidel and Joooo-hatred out of the Kooran, and all you're left with, is a measly fucking pamphlet.
FeldwebelWolfenstool 5 months ago
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deport all muslims from Britain!
jigglyfidda125 5 months ago
@bilverkstan Sorry I meant 10000 every day convert FROM Islam to Christianity in Africa and I heard that on Al Jazira. By the way many many ex-muslims exists in the middle east who never publicly proclaim their conversion to other religions or apostasy from the fear of their lives. They will be killed if they come out. If there was freedom and then a census was taken I guarantee you the number of Muslims would be MUCH lower than what people claim now.
ritamalik 5 months ago
@bilverkstan Actually more Muslims are leaving Islam than entering it! 70% of all converts according to stats leave Islam after a few years. In Africa almost every day close to 10000 people convert to Islam and heard that on AlJazira! Most people who convert to Islam in the west are criminals. The others are women who marry Muslim men and are converted by their husbands without knowing much about Islam. More Muslims are leaving in secret than you can count since they fear for their lives.
ritamalik 5 months ago
Lol if u leave Islam once twice but 3 time is death coz u shouldn't play with religi...
hopesparkle 5 months ago
he fails to see the connection
even though the hardcore muslims are pushing for sharia law to be adopted in the uk
whitesquirrel7 5 months ago
Whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve - 18,29
So Sharia is fake and man-made.
nestcanz 5 months ago
Full with Darkness Devil
nokosirit 6 months ago
This imam is wrong he did not name any surah or verse from the quran to back is statement. First show where it says in the Quran. It doesn't say anywhere.
You guys believe anything.
Hamzah41081 6 months ago
@Hamzah41081 That has nothing to do with the actuality of what happens though. That's the point. It's not about it being written in the doctrine (because clearly something that insane will not be on paper) it is truly only the matter of how the people around you will respond to your apostasy. Call it in "hidden" rule if you will, but this is common in quite a lot of extremist religions.
XSilvenX 6 months ago
@Hamzah41081
I suggest you go back to your Imam, and ask his opinion. Or watch Fitna, the relevant surahs are there for all to see.
The Imam in the video says apostates in an Islamic state are condemned to death, but what about non Islamic states when Muslims become a majority?
bmwr90s 6 months ago
@bmwr90s Then they will become, for all intents and purposes, an islamic state.
BillyIsATwat23 6 months ago
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My point exactly....
bmwr90s 6 months ago
@BillyIsATwat23
If this imam or you claim(s) something (especially this big claim), than he or you MUST back it up from the Quran or Hadith. I dare you to show me in the Quran.
Hamzah41081 6 months ago
@BillyIsATwat23
Sorry the last message was ment for BMWR90S
Hamzah41081 6 months ago
@Hamzah41081 Thought it might be. No offense taken.
BillyIsATwat23 6 months ago
@bmwr90s
I have read the Quran and I can tell you that it doesn't say anywhere. And I have also asked a imam and he said that their is no such thing in the Quran or Hadith. Those tv-channels invite dumb-ass imams to come and say stupid thing. This imam must back his statement and he doesn't.
"There is no compulsion in religion" the Quran in Surah 2.256
"Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion" the Quran in Surah 109.6
Hamzah41081 6 months ago
@Hamzah41081 You want Hadith? Here is Hadith: Bukhari, volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
ritamalik 5 months ago
@Hamzah41081 Bukhari, volume 9, #57
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
ritamalik 5 months ago
Chapter 6: WHEN IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO TAKE THE LIFE OF A MUSLIM
Sahih Muslim, Book 016, Number 4152:
'Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community.
ritamalik 5 months ago
Sirat Rasoul Allah "The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them, except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaba. Among them was Abdullah Sa'd, brother of the B. Amir Luayy......Continue---->
ritamalik 5 months ago
@Hamzah41081 ....Continue ---> The reason he ordered him to be killed was that he had been a Muslim and used to write down revelation; then he apostatized and returned to Quraysh and fled to Uthman Affan whose foster brother he was. The latter hid him until he brought him to the apostle after the situation in Mecca was tranquil, and asked that he might be granted immunity. They allege that the apostle remained silent for a long time till finally he said yes.
ritamalik 5 months ago
@Hamzah41081 Al Tabari: Abu Bakr’s letter to the apostates.… So God guided with the truth whoever responded to Him, and the Apostle of God, with His permission, struck whoever turned his back to Him until he came to Islam, willingly or grudgingly.… I have learned that some of you have turned back from your religion after you had acknowledged Islam and labored in it, out of negligence of God and ignorance of His command, and in compliance with the devil…. continue---->
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