in many of you're gestures and soforth, you remind me of strophanthus. you will likely understand i dont mean this in a negative way, but i have been thinking this more and more as i watch you're videos. you also look like eve kloke from naked lunchand that one guy, whom i cant think of his name or a movie he is in off the top of my head.
@HolyHogShit Dude, I love Strophanthus. That dude hasn't made a video in like 2 years. He needs to stop doing that. I'll have to see what this Kloke guy looks like.
You shouldn't have to redefine words to explain your point unless your explaining something esoteric. You have no choice but to be an individual you are unique simply from the fact that your experiences are completely unique and shape how your brain/mind works. Being a free thinker typically causes one be introspective and take an active roll in how their thought process works. Your major influence being you, you are yourself and no one else, an individual. You can be both or an individuate.
Your deffinition is falacy. Individual, deffined by merriam webster, is simply one of a group. The english language is not subjective. I am a single human, as opposed to multiple humans, therefore I am an individual. I am also a free-thinker (or I try to be). Therefore I am an individual free-thinker, as opposed to free-thinkers in general. I dont know if you were aiming for a different word here, or what.
@5thWatcher Hmmm, not quite sure what your reply means here. What is your definition of "freethinking" and what is your definition of "individual"? Why are they mutually exclusive?
@Jude2Mahoney I either explain it in the video or the video info. One of those. Usually for the sake of debate you have to define your terms. Maybe you wouldn't agree with the definitions of the terms; some people think I should reverse the terms. But it's not the terms that are important, it's the definitions ascribed to them in the context of my argument.
i am mostly an individual. i dont try to be individual i just find myself drifting off to something within my own comfort zone. due to my social anxiety, i have become more distant at many things as a result . i wouldnt say i chose to be an individual, for all i know i probably am not that much of one. At some points i find myself not liking being an individual because i am just avoidant by nature. on the other hand im definately attracted to free thinkers whom i hugely admire.
You can actually be both dude. An individual is someone who is purely him or herself, regardless of what he reads, sees, and hears. Individuals do what they want to do, and live their lives in according to what they feel is right. It doesn't matter if they lean towards a general philosophy, create their own, or don't period. The true nature of the concept isn't supposed to be how you project the exterior perceptions of yourself within social norms - it really has nothing to do with that.
For example, I could wear skate clothes, goth clothes, or any other social subclass which is supposed to be "against" mainstream society (which is actually very contrary - it's still collectivism, which is really what the norm is regardless of your particular bias on that). Now, really, that would have nothing to do with it. The fact that I didn't care what other people thought, regardless of how I acted, the clothes I wore, and the way I thought for myself, would automatically grant me
For example, I could wear skate clothes, goth clothes, or any other social subclass which is supposed to be "against" mainstream society (which is actually very contrary - it's still collectivism). As long I really don't care what other people think, regardless of whether or not someone is to agree with me, I'm an individual. I simply do what I like to do, in the way I like to do it. As long as I'm not hurting anyone by doing so, that's fine by me. So, you can really be both.
a lot of free thinker think there're smart...your result of gay and lesbian...cuz u think you are true in what you think...you are in your own world...nothing...free thinker contribute positive result....you not....WHAT YOU HAVE DONE... NOTHING...
For this video, in order for us to talk about the concept, we need to agree on definitions which I see you are not doing. So we probably agree, you just don't like that I used different terms.
I want to be different.Like everyone else I wanna be like.I wanna be just like all the different people & assert my individuality among others who are different like me.-King Missile-
So a freethinker can't learn something new that alters them, or read a book that changes the way they see something, without not being a free-thinker anymore?
I am an individual, not because I choose to not follow social constructs. Actually, I've tried damn near every social construct I've come into contact with, and in every case it collapses on me and the glaring reality of myself is made obvious. For the longest time I actually thought I wasn't even human because of my utter inability to fit in anywhere.
If you are an individual and you do you own thing but than you influence others to join or the see that what you are doing is a good idea, does that make you less of an individual?
free thinking is a human nature and suppressing it with laws ,social habits religions , rules and accepting common ideologies from the right or the left , without questioning those things. is againist that nature , and we all know that interfering with nature wasn't a good idea , why not unleash your brain endless potentials? and take it to where no one have ever dreamt of going. its sad to know that many minds have been lost living by the book.
conformity is the killer...i respect anyone's effort to be an individual(ist) and/or a free thinker...i am very uncomfortable with conformity on any level...it reduces people to mindless bestiality....however, one does have to guard against a certain degree of lawlessness that goes along with either individualism or free thinking...both require a degree of maturity...good video...
You completely pulled those definitions out of your ass. I think to most people, in both technical and casual terms, being an invidual is simply being true to oneself and not acting on the social obligations society sets. A free thinker is one who uses reason and logic alone, or at least for the most part, to come to conclusions, one who isn't affected by appeal to emotion, authority, or any of that bullshit. The two are completely compatible.
I respect your freethinker, actually I'm a freethinker in Crist, but even a freethinker need to know that everyday is a new chance for doing the diference in this world against a "lazy thinker" (thats is the diference)
It seems you are able to assume what an individual means to everyone subjectively, and that a 'free thinker' is simply someone who freely chooses from a variety of predetermined molds. However, a true free-thinker would have no issue in conformity, nor would a true individual. Anyone who finds themselves easily labeled within pop culture has a false sense of individuality based on external influence, unlike that within personal and subjective terms;a free thinker is indirectly an individual. :)
I think you are discussing the difference initially between the individual and the individual manqué, and if your thesis were that you could be only an individual or an individual manqué, it would be correct.
I suppose non-philosophically or in the common vernacular the individual might be 'someone different to a mass of others', but this isn't really the case.
I'm all for Laymen terms. So much so I am learning about this stuff just now. I think it's important to speak in a way the masses can understand. Thanks for philosophy lesson, though.
Free-thinking leads to individuality and trying to be an individual you become a free thinker. The two can't be hand in hand, yet are in close quaters. Good video, really enjoyed listening to your views.
individuals are made. free thinkers are born. i'd consider myself to be a free thinker. Wonderful vid. very intelligent and entertaining. i'm nuts about philisophical ideas such as the one in the video.
You're torturing definitions. Simply because a group represents much of who you are does not mean you conform to that group. Do you conform to being a believer in gravity simply because you freely thought about the world and decided gravity exists?
They aren't in conflict. This is why philosophy sucks.
That said, bandwagon mentality is stupid and dangerous, but it should be called for what it is.
I have to disagree here. Bandwagon is not initially stupid or dangerous, it's the way humans naturally are because we a tribal species. We form groups and when someone -for any reason- says something that makes the rest uncomfortable, it detracts from our ability to work in a group. Due to our advancement however, the dependency of us thinking alike is not as vital to our survival. Bandwagon mentality does however, make you narrow minded which can lead to stupidity and being dangerous.
"...dependency of us thinking alike is not as vital to our survival. Bandwagon mentality does however, make you narrow minded which can lead to stupidity and being dangerous."
additionally, consider how many definitions there are for "individual." coming up with a solid definition that all or most can agree on, is quite a task, an impossible task.
not only is your definition for "individual" severely lacking, it doesn't even make any sense. free from all forms of thought? i cannot imagine how you settled on that one.
one might ask if you could be describing monks (let's just use it as an example), and whether or not monks are individuals depends on how small the group of people similar to yourself there has to be, in order for it to be a group of "individuals." i think your definition needs some serious work, brother.
Yes - there seems to be a dichotomy between what we think we are & what we are - & a multitude of individual free thinking things after that - unless we think - we agree.?
There is no true free thinker because we can't exist without anything influencing us. We are slaves of so many things. If you think you are a free thinker, think again. You have just changed your views on things and you will do it again every single minutes. We still have to live in this physical world experience things. If you could see the future, you will be surprised to see yourself in the future.
Free thinking does not mean free from outside influence, it means free to think as you wish to. It means free from intellectually oppressive institutions. It means free to think using only logic and reason as criteria and not confined by a dogma that looks for questions to fit the truths instead of the other way around. It means free from fantasy that rules most peoples lives (religion) and controls the way that we see the world by filling our head with nonsense.
Even if you specifically reject religion because you do not wish to conform to it, you are still reacting to it. And even then I could just as easily find a way to stereotypes you in an effort to show that you do infact fit into a nice litle box with other atheists.
For example, I bet I know who you're voting for this fall.
I do not reject religion for any other reason that it makes no sense. That is like telling me that I am reacting to batman because I don`t believe that he is real. (Reacting to something doesn't demonstrate a controlled will in any case)
The only way I conform to other atheists is that I have no belief in god. I am sure that there are groups that I fit into as does everyone. I simply said that atheists are not a group by any real means other than an expressed disbelief in supernatural god.
And no, I have no idea who I will vote for until I hear all the platforms and examine all the possibilities. Why would I decide ahead of time when the information as to who is best is not available?? That makes no sense.
I'm gonna go on a tangent here, but unless you are highly considering wasting your vote on a third party choice, there really is no excuse to not knowing the positions of the two major candidates by now. They had this all worked out in the primaries, and even the third parties have mostly gotten a jump on the early start this time around.
Honestly, unless you are just an indecisive person, (which I suppose is fine) I think you could really have a good idea who to vote for by now.
lol whoops. I'd bet money there are more atheists in Canada than the USA, though. And I guess I could just as easily ask you who you WOULD vote for, since I notice most of the world pays attention to American politics.
not sure about the atheists per capita but you are likely right. haha I think that you are also right about the world watching american politics (it certainly affects us who is president)
and I would vote for Obama based on what little I know. Although since he is seemingly more progressive, that is likely self evident when compared against my way of thinking. :)
Whats really funny here is that you claim to not have ANY reaction to religion in our society... but you felt the need to point this out on a video that has NOTHING to do with religion.
Also, why Batman? Why not Superman, or Spider-man, or even Iron Man?
Could it be possible that you are REACTING to the current popularity and hype of the new box-office record-breaking Batman movie?!!?
Never said that I had no "reaction" I said that I wasn't coloured in my thinking by it. I see evidence of things, I think and consider them, I form opinions. Of course you react to everything you see. Lol, true enough, god could be substituted for any super hero. They are all equally false. (and no, Batman has been my favorite since childhood, well before movies of him)
impossible to be a free-thinker... you can be an individual and free-think . if you arrived at a thought through free thinking you wouldnt be able to act on it or you would become... and individual. Its either that or have no opinions or views that you credit to yourself... a very naive person.I get what you're saying but the way i understood it is like living without acting. no influence to or from the external. thats great in theory, but not in practice. I could be throwing stones though.
I have to pull myself up sometimes when I am trying to be an individual because it really does separate me from the world. The concept of being yourself, or not being yourself, is one which I feel is a lazy description. It presumes that there is a self that is constant and overlooks the importance of being unsure of ourselves for a period of time in our lives. Why is having lack of confidence not being yourself?
everyone is influenced by something, in less they are separate from society all the stages of their life, but the homo-sapian can't be secluded without having faults. So free-thinkers do not really exist with their "own" thoughts.
Isn't the idea of being an individual just being you, without a great influance from the people around you? Doesn't trying to be an individual take away from the meaning of being one?
ive got a couple questions but not enough time to make a video.
so... do you have a video talking about, god knowing everything and creating homos just to send them to hell. Or people not having free will cause god already knows what you are going to do and if you change your mind he already knew so its not free will. Or mesopetamia and the creation of language, or christianity being copied off older religions, etc. Just wondering cause i want to see what you have to say about them
Those colloquialisms are identical synonyms but I choose neither yet I am an individual regardless of choice as determinism lead that to be my current nature i.e. if there were an existing culture that fully agreed with me than I would gladly remain the same yet cease to be an individual. Free thought... makes no sense, I don't understand why it's promoted as a good thing, it's just that free thought seems to contrast with epistemology.
But in actuality the colloquialist use of the term "free thought" means the exact same thing as individuality. Also I refuse to admit I'm goth and never will because I'm not... No matter how many people immediately tell me I am, because only baby bats do that.
If you think they are the same thing, then you failed to understand my definitions or I failed to explain them fully enough. Other than that, I think it should be a sound speech.
No, I think you made a good point in this video, I understood your definitions, that's mostly why I specified the "colloquial" meaning of the two terms. Another thing being that the character limit screwed me in editing while I was way too tired to articulate what I was trying to say (kinda like now, except I was less tired) but I think I still managed to make a point on the differences.
I'm afraid I don't "get" this. We are individuals whether we think freely or not. Our individuality has little to do with our habits of thought. Now if you mean 'originality', that's a different matter. There are very very few original ideas - even for free thinkers. In fact with all the thinking that's gone one by so many thinkers in so many centuries - all ideas have already been thunk.
Nice man. Very interesting. You pose an important philosophical question. Another example Preps and popular kids are individuals not to mention sheep. Personally I think that being goth is in a way not only a form of expression but also an understanding of philosophy in a way. Gothic culture bases itself upon basic and important philosophical aspects. The meaning and purpose of life. The essence of romance and yes free thinking.
I guess I'm free-thinker. I am confused about this though. I am myself, if i hear a song i like then i like it without regard to its popularity or lack of it. The clothes I wear happen to suit me, if they conform to certain a certain type (avg. suburban white kid i guess) then that is a coincidence. I'm open-minded and try not to make popular beliefs automatically mine. Does that make me a free-thinker or an idividual, not sure. But if i am either I still couldn't care less.
Very interesting concept. I believe I'm more of a free-thinker than anything; I've noticed in the past when I tried to be an individual, and I arrived at basically the same conclusion here. 5 stars.
Catholic Encyclopedia: Those who, abandoning the religious truths and moral dictates of the Christian Revelation, and accepting no dogmatic teaching on the ground of authority, base their beliefs on the unfettered findings of reason alone. On that note I am a free thinker. On that note I am a freethinker.
My initial intention is (by my misguided desire to be an individual) to reject those definitions. :-P But by my free-thinking I ought to accept that I too fit into that. I simply do not reject the core of the faith as well, only the dogma and "authority" concerning it. As usual, the Catholic "definition" is bias, subjective and ridiculous.
5thWatcher. you know how life can only eat life, how do you square that with a God who thinks like we do? A human designer would not have been so brutal.
except when there is injury or disease to the brain, a persons "essence" if you like, is depleted and if the disease or damage is extensive a persons "essence" is excised. This is not compatible with the idea of a soul. Its not the reality of the situation.
Only taking a bit of a stab at this, but if someone is mentally ill, they would likely be cured of it, and thus would act as if they did not have said damage in the first place. =)
I too agree that the catholic definition is bias, but I offered the 2 definitions below also. They all have the same meaning, the catholic one is just more long winded. I can respect that you have your own definition of freethinker, that alone may be freethinking. You just need to take the next step to be one. Having an immortal soul is a fantastic concept, but that does not make it true, even if we may wish it so.
Webster Dictionary(Freethinker) one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma American Heritage : One who has rejected authority and dogma
If given the choice, I want to be a free thinking lemming. Oh wait...does that work? :) I'm just me actually. :) Does free thinking equate to randomness? :)
i understand completely, i dont label myself, but things i wear that each have a significant meaning to me, all add up to me being labeled 'glam rock' though its my fave genre of music, i can explain the reason i wear each thing on my body, but people label us no matter what we do
All of you who have commented on this video must be a lot smarter than I am, because I have watched this video twice, and I can honestly say I don't know what the hell he is talking about.
Can you have no intention? Live spontaneously and you have no choice but to be a free thinking individual. because your thoughts are not contained by any pattern, habit or structure, and nobody but you is in your specific situation. Even if you dress like others, if you are aware of it an view it as a costume/disguise, then it is not a uniform and u are still individual.
I agree with 5thwatcher that bringing religion into these comments sucks. If one doesn't like religion, it would make sense not to attack the video where 5thwatcher finally doesn't promote/defend religion.
dude, intending to be either a free thinker or a individual, by default makes you a douschbag. Why not just intend to be yerself, which makes you who you are, which is a good thing.
you should change the name of the vedio then, becasue you are making it seem as if you can only intend to be one or the other, yet if their is no intention involved then you are being yerself, now if you are just not intending to be anything, thus being yerself, whatever image you happen to have in other peoples perception is actually who you really are.
the title before was not quite appropriate as well. At least this one has that question mark. Suggest a title, because I've already given it as much thought as I am willing to.
As I say in the video "if your free thinking causes you to be an individual then go nuts, but you certainly can't INTEND to be a free thinker without forgoing a vast amount of free thought."
from....explaining...how hot you are? Especially that first picture with the pink arm thing, and you have your hand all saucily placed on your cchest...SONOFABITCH
I tihnk being a freethinker actually allows to you to more avidly pursue your own interests rather than those of others, such as no longer being tempted to conform to trends like goth, emo, punk ,etc. Sure, you can be those things, but you can't be those things for the reason of being part of the crowd. For this reason I think being a freethinker actually promotes the best kind of individuality (not difference, but fullfilling positions, regardless of the majorities choice)
Now, freethought may, perhaps, lead to very close belief systems etc. but it doesn't necessarily detract from individuality. The aesthetic side of life can certainly hold a lot of meaning for a person. For example, your gothy clothing was symbollic of certain things etc. They held meaning that your mind attached to it. I think the aesthetic interests (like music, fashion, hobbies), tend not to be warped by the whole "freethinker" mindset.
Lol at the Gothness. I think you're more trying to address conformist and anti-conformist methods of living your life. Thing is, being anti-conformist means that you conform to being an anti-conformist :P I think a freethinker can go with the mindset of non-conformist. That is, they do not have their choices affected no matter where the majority sit on the issue.
wow.Did you think that in 5 seconds or 3 hours before you write it? :)(5thwatcher. your talking shit as usual)I love this kind of argument it really shows what you are made of! no offence mate but you brought it to yourself...
Individuality possibly comes as a stand alone thing. Can it really be artificial i wonder? Even if intended in the end it would be called style. An individual always involves in everything but i think it must be precisely explained by 5th (although i understand what he means) who an individual is in order to carry on.
And anyway its unfair to count people at all. we are not here for counting we are here i thing for understanding each other and respect one another.:)all of us.
I don't think he changed who he is. I think instead of manifesting on the outside he understood that manifesting it with his soul brain and heart is much more important and correct. Do i get it right 5th? Besides who can really change himself its extremely difficult.
So the fact you changed who you are because you didnt want to be a "goth" makes you an individual (aspiring) and not a free thinker. Though your whole premise is flawed. Those who are individials are similar to other individuals in their state of mind (all individuals dont want to be like others); countering their very philosophy.
Yeah, for sure, but it's unfair to count people outside their social circle, IE people they do not know exist. Also you missed the point on the Goth thing. Do I look like an individual?
Or do I look like a generic douche bag that just happens to have recognizable hair? I believe I was a free thinker then and now alike, it just is manifesting itself differently.
what i mean is that possibly you are on the path of trying to present that inner appearance if i got it right.Which again is proper and cool.'' i draw a you know what i mean card here hehe''
As a goth (which is/was quite cool)you were a thinking person (otherwise you made an incredible leap)all this years what would you say on that phrase?
''often we tend to appear to others in a standard form but most of us do not show the inner appearance'' which of course is the way of thinking etc etc. comment on that please i would like you to hear your opinion.
Everyones appearence is an outward presentation of internal thoughts and dispositions, it all depends if you follow what you truly believe to be true, or you just go along with what someone else says becasue it feels more comfotable.
It's a loaded question you ask there, but mind you freethinker and individual are not the onlt possabilities. I, for one, prefer to be a warrior and carry the burden of duty on my shoulders.
Seeking artificial individuality distances one from society and freethinkers, as free as they are, busy themselves more in contemplation and less in involvement in what goes around. The social angle is very important. These days you can't allow yourself to be uninvolved.
You very well my be an individual in the only way possible: unintentionally. In which you would also be unaware. Even so i really do see your point. I've got a friend who thinks kinda like that but with more spite. :-P
Actually no, that comment was for theRealDom but it applies to you too, almost word for word. I am big on hating egoism though! It does warrant a post.
Is it not free thinking a requirement of individuality? Personally I understand what you are trying to say but I would change the words individual and free thinker with egoist and philosophy.Think about it and lets both work on that.
Yes but since everyone is a unique person in thinking then it is an individual so what happens when a unique thinking individual person thinks as a free thinker?
As I said in one of the last lines.. you certainly couldn't intend to be an individual without forgoing free thought on some level, so if you're both, it is necissary that you did not try.
why do you think "individual" is a synonym for being unique?
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Wait, so Individualism contradicts Free Thought? How so ?
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Hmm, rather be an invidual.
Free thinking doesn't assure individuality.
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in many of you're gestures and soforth, you remind me of strophanthus. you will likely understand i dont mean this in a negative way, but i have been thinking this more and more as i watch you're videos. you also look like eve kloke from naked lunchand that one guy, whom i cant think of his name or a movie he is in off the top of my head.
HolyHogShit 5 months ago
@HolyHogShit Dude, I love Strophanthus. That dude hasn't made a video in like 2 years. He needs to stop doing that. I'll have to see what this Kloke guy looks like.
5thWatcher 5 months ago
You are an individual. I'm an entire population.
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You shouldn't have to redefine words to explain your point unless your explaining something esoteric. You have no choice but to be an individual you are unique simply from the fact that your experiences are completely unique and shape how your brain/mind works. Being a free thinker typically causes one be introspective and take an active roll in how their thought process works. Your major influence being you, you are yourself and no one else, an individual. You can be both or an individuate.
RoHbotic 10 months ago
I'm a free-thinker. There are a plethera of existing social standards I subscribe to.
naomie76 10 months ago
You look a bit girly, like Julian Assange.
Scousar 1 year ago
regarding free thought - how's my "what i is" vid?
desirefirst 1 year ago
Your deffinition is falacy. Individual, deffined by merriam webster, is simply one of a group. The english language is not subjective. I am a single human, as opposed to multiple humans, therefore I am an individual. I am also a free-thinker (or I try to be). Therefore I am an individual free-thinker, as opposed to free-thinkers in general. I dont know if you were aiming for a different word here, or what.
Xanathea81 1 year ago
A freethinking individual. The two are not mutually exclusive, to state otherwise is a little laughable.
Jude2Mahoney 1 year ago
@Jude2Mahoney You can only say that because you substitute my definitions for your own.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
@5thWatcher Hmmm, not quite sure what your reply means here. What is your definition of "freethinking" and what is your definition of "individual"? Why are they mutually exclusive?
Jude2Mahoney 1 year ago
@Jude2Mahoney I either explain it in the video or the video info. One of those. Usually for the sake of debate you have to define your terms. Maybe you wouldn't agree with the definitions of the terms; some people think I should reverse the terms. But it's not the terms that are important, it's the definitions ascribed to them in the context of my argument.
5thWatcher 1 year ago
i am mostly an individual. i dont try to be individual i just find myself drifting off to something within my own comfort zone. due to my social anxiety, i have become more distant at many things as a result . i wouldnt say i chose to be an individual, for all i know i probably am not that much of one. At some points i find myself not liking being an individual because i am just avoidant by nature. on the other hand im definately attracted to free thinkers whom i hugely admire.
ohhrichie 1 year ago
Yeah, I get you. I'm on that route too. I think the "free thought" is my transitional phase. If I can think for myself, then I can become myself.
tiecuando 1 year ago
You can actually be both dude. An individual is someone who is purely him or herself, regardless of what he reads, sees, and hears. Individuals do what they want to do, and live their lives in according to what they feel is right. It doesn't matter if they lean towards a general philosophy, create their own, or don't period. The true nature of the concept isn't supposed to be how you project the exterior perceptions of yourself within social norms - it really has nothing to do with that.
MoonLightFacade 1 year ago
For example, I could wear skate clothes, goth clothes, or any other social subclass which is supposed to be "against" mainstream society (which is actually very contrary - it's still collectivism, which is really what the norm is regardless of your particular bias on that). Now, really, that would have nothing to do with it. The fact that I didn't care what other people thought, regardless of how I acted, the clothes I wore, and the way I thought for myself, would automatically grant me
MoonLightFacade 1 year ago
For example, I could wear skate clothes, goth clothes, or any other social subclass which is supposed to be "against" mainstream society (which is actually very contrary - it's still collectivism). As long I really don't care what other people think, regardless of whether or not someone is to agree with me, I'm an individual. I simply do what I like to do, in the way I like to do it. As long as I'm not hurting anyone by doing so, that's fine by me. So, you can really be both.
MoonLightFacade 1 year ago
a lot of free thinker think there're smart...your result of gay and lesbian...cuz u think you are true in what you think...you are in your own world...nothing...free thinker contribute positive result....you not....WHAT YOU HAVE DONE... NOTHING...
xxxzzzxxx227 2 years ago
For this video, in order for us to talk about the concept, we need to agree on definitions which I see you are not doing. So we probably agree, you just don't like that I used different terms.
5thWatcher 2 years ago
I want to be different.Like everyone else I wanna be like.I wanna be just like all the different people & assert my individuality among others who are different like me.-King Missile-
narfaculus38 2 years ago
Arguing semantics is not going to make you smarter.
TommyDole 2 years ago
"things don't alter that person"
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So a freethinker can't learn something new that alters them, or read a book that changes the way they see something, without not being a free-thinker anymore?
andrew49247 2 years ago
I am an individual, not because I choose to not follow social constructs. Actually, I've tried damn near every social construct I've come into contact with, and in every case it collapses on me and the glaring reality of myself is made obvious. For the longest time I actually thought I wasn't even human because of my utter inability to fit in anywhere.
AnpetuWi 2 years ago
Maybe you're not.... or maybe you're just weird.
I tend to be weird like that.
5thWatcher 2 years ago
People often call me weird or strange yeah.
AnpetuWi 2 years ago
that creates an interesting paradox, because just about everybody arrogant enough feels that exact same way.
andrew49247 2 years ago
That was some funny looking goth makeup man.
OdeToNecrophilia 2 years ago
It was pretty simple, you should have seen the other crap that people did and do.
5thWatcher 2 years ago
If you are an individual and you do you own thing but than you influence others to join or the see that what you are doing is a good idea, does that make you less of an individual?
jedillama9 2 years ago
No but it probably makes them less of one, if they are following you just for the sake of following you.
5thWatcher 2 years ago
I'd be a free thinker.
toxicxxmegzxx 2 years ago
free thinking is a human nature and suppressing it with laws ,social habits religions , rules and accepting common ideologies from the right or the left , without questioning those things. is againist that nature , and we all know that interfering with nature wasn't a good idea , why not unleash your brain endless potentials? and take it to where no one have ever dreamt of going. its sad to know that many minds have been lost living by the book.
marobra00 2 years ago
conformity is the killer...i respect anyone's effort to be an individual(ist) and/or a free thinker...i am very uncomfortable with conformity on any level...it reduces people to mindless bestiality....however, one does have to guard against a certain degree of lawlessness that goes along with either individualism or free thinking...both require a degree of maturity...good video...
marisinging 2 years ago
You completely pulled those definitions out of your ass. I think to most people, in both technical and casual terms, being an invidual is simply being true to oneself and not acting on the social obligations society sets. A free thinker is one who uses reason and logic alone, or at least for the most part, to come to conclusions, one who isn't affected by appeal to emotion, authority, or any of that bullshit. The two are completely compatible.
IcyGoats 3 years ago
The words aren;t as important as the definitions.
But seriously... individual means a unique single out of a whole. That is how I used the term but with people.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
every person is an individual, I guess you meant "individualist"
Muvlonion 3 years ago
Did I not define my terms?
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I respect your freethinker, actually I'm a freethinker in Crist, but even a freethinker need to know that everyday is a new chance for doing the diference in this world against a "lazy thinker" (thats is the diference)
just think about it!
All Freethinker need wisdom and action!
hanicken 3 years ago
This video is a bunch of stupid absolutism.
anavarre 3 years ago
I hate absolutism.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
It seems you are able to assume what an individual means to everyone subjectively, and that a 'free thinker' is simply someone who freely chooses from a variety of predetermined molds. However, a true free-thinker would have no issue in conformity, nor would a true individual. Anyone who finds themselves easily labeled within pop culture has a false sense of individuality based on external influence, unlike that within personal and subjective terms;a free thinker is indirectly an individual. :)
sockmonsterU 3 years ago
I think you are discussing the difference initially between the individual and the individual manqué, and if your thesis were that you could be only an individual or an individual manqué, it would be correct.
I suppose non-philosophically or in the common vernacular the individual might be 'someone different to a mass of others', but this isn't really the case.
hiswayornoway 3 years ago
I'm all for Laymen terms. So much so I am learning about this stuff just now. I think it's important to speak in a way the masses can understand. Thanks for philosophy lesson, though.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Free-thinking leads to individuality and trying to be an individual you become a free thinker. The two can't be hand in hand, yet are in close quaters. Good video, really enjoyed listening to your views.
JollyxRancher 3 years ago
g1rathet
G1RATCHET 3 years ago
individuals are made. free thinkers are born. i'd consider myself to be a free thinker. Wonderful vid. very intelligent and entertaining. i'm nuts about philisophical ideas such as the one in the video.
FrozenPandaPops 3 years ago
Well thank you.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
You're torturing definitions. Simply because a group represents much of who you are does not mean you conform to that group. Do you conform to being a believer in gravity simply because you freely thought about the world and decided gravity exists?
They aren't in conflict. This is why philosophy sucks.
That said, bandwagon mentality is stupid and dangerous, but it should be called for what it is.
directedchaos 3 years ago
I have to disagree here. Bandwagon is not initially stupid or dangerous, it's the way humans naturally are because we a tribal species. We form groups and when someone -for any reason- says something that makes the rest uncomfortable, it detracts from our ability to work in a group. Due to our advancement however, the dependency of us thinking alike is not as vital to our survival. Bandwagon mentality does however, make you narrow minded which can lead to stupidity and being dangerous.
Hellblade8 3 years ago
"...dependency of us thinking alike is not as vital to our survival. Bandwagon mentality does however, make you narrow minded which can lead to stupidity and being dangerous."
Quote of the year, anyone? :-D
LifesOutcastOfDeath 3 years ago
You looked really cool as a goth. Hell, you look pretty awesome now.
garamri 3 years ago
Yeah I'm pretty much just a total badass.
:-P
5thWatcher 3 years ago
LOL those pics were hilarious.
SomePersonNamedAdam 3 years ago
additionally, consider how many definitions there are for "individual." coming up with a solid definition that all or most can agree on, is quite a task, an impossible task.
vjschwartz 3 years ago
not only is your definition for "individual" severely lacking, it doesn't even make any sense. free from all forms of thought? i cannot imagine how you settled on that one.
one might ask if you could be describing monks (let's just use it as an example), and whether or not monks are individuals depends on how small the group of people similar to yourself there has to be, in order for it to be a group of "individuals." i think your definition needs some serious work, brother.
vjschwartz 3 years ago
if i were to choose.. i'd probably be a freethinker... but then again can't you be an individual as a freethinker?
jinsuen 3 years ago
Why must I choose ?
hypermite01 3 years ago
Hi 5!
Yes - there seems to be a dichotomy between what we think we are & what we are - & a multitude of individual free thinking things after that - unless we think - we agree.?
docrufus 3 years ago
There is no true free thinker because we can't exist without anything influencing us. We are slaves of so many things. If you think you are a free thinker, think again. You have just changed your views on things and you will do it again every single minutes. We still have to live in this physical world experience things. If you could see the future, you will be surprised to see yourself in the future.
godequaljesus 3 years ago
Free thinking does not mean free from outside influence, it means free to think as you wish to. It means free from intellectually oppressive institutions. It means free to think using only logic and reason as criteria and not confined by a dogma that looks for questions to fit the truths instead of the other way around. It means free from fantasy that rules most peoples lives (religion) and controls the way that we see the world by filling our head with nonsense.
Peace
nekidchickens 3 years ago
Even if you specifically reject religion because you do not wish to conform to it, you are still reacting to it. And even then I could just as easily find a way to stereotypes you in an effort to show that you do infact fit into a nice litle box with other atheists.
For example, I bet I know who you're voting for this fall.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
I do not reject religion for any other reason that it makes no sense. That is like telling me that I am reacting to batman because I don`t believe that he is real. (Reacting to something doesn't demonstrate a controlled will in any case)
The only way I conform to other atheists is that I have no belief in god. I am sure that there are groups that I fit into as does everyone. I simply said that atheists are not a group by any real means other than an expressed disbelief in supernatural god.
nekidchickens 3 years ago
And no, I have no idea who I will vote for until I hear all the platforms and examine all the possibilities. Why would I decide ahead of time when the information as to who is best is not available?? That makes no sense.
Peace
nekidchickens 3 years ago
I'm gonna go on a tangent here, but unless you are highly considering wasting your vote on a third party choice, there really is no excuse to not knowing the positions of the two major candidates by now. They had this all worked out in the primaries, and even the third parties have mostly gotten a jump on the early start this time around.
Honestly, unless you are just an indecisive person, (which I suppose is fine) I think you could really have a good idea who to vote for by now.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Didn't realize that you would have no way of knowing unless you saw my page. I am Canadian. The elections are a way off. :)
nekidchickens 3 years ago
lol whoops. I'd bet money there are more atheists in Canada than the USA, though. And I guess I could just as easily ask you who you WOULD vote for, since I notice most of the world pays attention to American politics.
5thWatcher 3 years ago
not sure about the atheists per capita but you are likely right. haha I think that you are also right about the world watching american politics (it certainly affects us who is president)
and I would vote for Obama based on what little I know. Although since he is seemingly more progressive, that is likely self evident when compared against my way of thinking. :)
nekidchickens 3 years ago
Whats really funny here is that you claim to not have ANY reaction to religion in our society... but you felt the need to point this out on a video that has NOTHING to do with religion.
Also, why Batman? Why not Superman, or Spider-man, or even Iron Man?
Could it be possible that you are REACTING to the current popularity and hype of the new box-office record-breaking Batman movie?!!?
5thWatcher 3 years ago
Never said that I had no "reaction" I said that I wasn't coloured in my thinking by it. I see evidence of things, I think and consider them, I form opinions. Of course you react to everything you see. Lol, true enough, god could be substituted for any super hero. They are all equally false. (and no, Batman has been my favorite since childhood, well before movies of him)
nekidchickens 3 years ago
"you are not your fucking khakis"
snapapple123 4 years ago
impossible to be a free-thinker... you can be an individual and free-think . if you arrived at a thought through free thinking you wouldnt be able to act on it or you would become... and individual. Its either that or have no opinions or views that you credit to yourself... a very naive person.I get what you're saying but the way i understood it is like living without acting. no influence to or from the external. thats great in theory, but not in practice. I could be throwing stones though.
snapapple123 4 years ago
Gothtard.
CadicusTheDamned 4 years ago
This of course the only video where this comment is warranted. I hoped you watched it so you know what I am talking about.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
I am both
I am nothing
sorry
careful
maybe you hold that thought
no4giveness 4 years ago
I have to pull myself up sometimes when I am trying to be an individual because it really does separate me from the world. The concept of being yourself, or not being yourself, is one which I feel is a lazy description. It presumes that there is a self that is constant and overlooks the importance of being unsure of ourselves for a period of time in our lives. Why is having lack of confidence not being yourself?
nG370 4 years ago
That's a valid observation as well.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
Individuality is overrated, and everyone is a product of the enviroment. Hence everything you have thought has already been taught to you!
If you have thought of an original thought please tell me. The best parts of you and I come from kings philosophers and good old evolution.
To be an individual you would have to absorb the information given to you and decide if the information is valid/invalid and then progress!
notloz2 4 years ago
everyone is influenced by something, in less they are separate from society all the stages of their life, but the homo-sapian can't be secluded without having faults. So free-thinkers do not really exist with their "own" thoughts.
voodoochile6169 4 years ago
Isn't the idea of being an individual just being you, without a great influance from the people around you? Doesn't trying to be an individual take away from the meaning of being one?
Asadawa 4 years ago
that was my point
5thWatcher 4 years ago
ive got a couple questions but not enough time to make a video.
so... do you have a video talking about, god knowing everything and creating homos just to send them to hell. Or people not having free will cause god already knows what you are going to do and if you change your mind he already knew so its not free will. Or mesopetamia and the creation of language, or christianity being copied off older religions, etc. Just wondering cause i want to see what you have to say about them
fishandrice89 4 years ago
Yeah, some of that stuff is coming up.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
Those colloquialisms are identical synonyms but I choose neither yet I am an individual regardless of choice as determinism lead that to be my current nature i.e. if there were an existing culture that fully agreed with me than I would gladly remain the same yet cease to be an individual. Free thought... makes no sense, I don't understand why it's promoted as a good thing, it's just that free thought seems to contrast with epistemology.
Birdtrooper 4 years ago
But in actuality the colloquialist use of the term "free thought" means the exact same thing as individuality. Also I refuse to admit I'm goth and never will because I'm not... No matter how many people immediately tell me I am, because only baby bats do that.
Birdtrooper 4 years ago
If you think they are the same thing, then you failed to understand my definitions or I failed to explain them fully enough. Other than that, I think it should be a sound speech.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
No, I think you made a good point in this video, I understood your definitions, that's mostly why I specified the "colloquial" meaning of the two terms. Another thing being that the character limit screwed me in editing while I was way too tired to articulate what I was trying to say (kinda like now, except I was less tired) but I think I still managed to make a point on the differences.
Birdtrooper 4 years ago
I'm afraid I don't "get" this. We are individuals whether we think freely or not. Our individuality has little to do with our habits of thought. Now if you mean 'originality', that's a different matter. There are very very few original ideas - even for free thinkers. In fact with all the thinking that's gone one by so many thinkers in so many centuries - all ideas have already been thunk.
thethikboy 4 years ago
Nice jeans, liked the belt buckle too. Free thinker all the way.
werewolfchewtoy 4 years ago
lol I'm not sure why but I think this is funny.
THExBENJ 4 years ago
Nice man. Very interesting. You pose an important philosophical question. Another example Preps and popular kids are individuals not to mention sheep. Personally I think that being goth is in a way not only a form of expression but also an understanding of philosophy in a way. Gothic culture bases itself upon basic and important philosophical aspects. The meaning and purpose of life. The essence of romance and yes free thinking.
Mattdevastator 4 years ago
I guess I'm free-thinker. I am confused about this though. I am myself, if i hear a song i like then i like it without regard to its popularity or lack of it. The clothes I wear happen to suit me, if they conform to certain a certain type (avg. suburban white kid i guess) then that is a coincidence. I'm open-minded and try not to make popular beliefs automatically mine. Does that make me a free-thinker or an idividual, not sure. But if i am either I still couldn't care less.
Hibbidyhai 4 years ago
Very interesting concept. I believe I'm more of a free-thinker than anything; I've noticed in the past when I tried to be an individual, and I arrived at basically the same conclusion here. 5 stars.
Muaguana 4 years ago
Catholic Encyclopedia: Those who, abandoning the religious truths and moral dictates of the Christian Revelation, and accepting no dogmatic teaching on the ground of authority, base their beliefs on the unfettered findings of reason alone. On that note I am a free thinker. On that note I am a freethinker.
archraw 4 years ago
My initial intention is (by my misguided desire to be an individual) to reject those definitions. :-P But by my free-thinking I ought to accept that I too fit into that. I simply do not reject the core of the faith as well, only the dogma and "authority" concerning it. As usual, the Catholic "definition" is bias, subjective and ridiculous.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
5thWatcher. you know how life can only eat life, how do you square that with a God who thinks like we do? A human designer would not have been so brutal.
AgnosticApe 4 years ago
Cuz under God we have immortal souls.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
except when there is injury or disease to the brain, a persons "essence" if you like, is depleted and if the disease or damage is extensive a persons "essence" is excised. This is not compatible with the idea of a soul. Its not the reality of the situation.
AgnosticApe 4 years ago
Only taking a bit of a stab at this, but if someone is mentally ill, they would likely be cured of it, and thus would act as if they did not have said damage in the first place. =)
Hellblade8 4 years ago
Hellblade. i dont understand what you mean, i am talking about the implausibility of a soul.
CrackInReality 4 years ago
I too agree that the catholic definition is bias, but I offered the 2 definitions below also. They all have the same meaning, the catholic one is just more long winded. I can respect that you have your own definition of freethinker, that alone may be freethinking. You just need to take the next step to be one. Having an immortal soul is a fantastic concept, but that does not make it true, even if we may wish it so.
archraw 4 years ago
Webster Dictionary(Freethinker) one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma American Heritage : One who has rejected authority and dogma
archraw 4 years ago
Who was that pretty lady in the pics? LOL
gospelmaestro 4 years ago
Free thinker.
Brainmold 4 years ago
If given the choice, I want to be a free thinking lemming. Oh wait...does that work? :) I'm just me actually. :) Does free thinking equate to randomness? :)
BrightOmen 4 years ago
i understand completely, i dont label myself, but things i wear that each have a significant meaning to me, all add up to me being labeled 'glam rock' though its my fave genre of music, i can explain the reason i wear each thing on my body, but people label us no matter what we do
much love ~T~
Tereza1 4 years ago
i wont pretend i understand
AgnosticApe 4 years ago
I think I get what you mean, an indiviual is one who purposefully makes his/herself unicue, while a freethinker pays no mind?
DanielMurphy007 4 years ago
right.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
All of you who have commented on this video must be a lot smarter than I am, because I have watched this video twice, and I can honestly say I don't know what the hell he is talking about.
frid9999 4 years ago
Frid. i know what you mean. i like him but he doesnt make much sense.
FuckBertrandRussell 4 years ago
Eh, it was a little rushed but most people seem to understand it enough.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
Can you have no intention? Live spontaneously and you have no choice but to be a free thinking individual. because your thoughts are not contained by any pattern, habit or structure, and nobody but you is in your specific situation. Even if you dress like others, if you are aware of it an view it as a costume/disguise, then it is not a uniform and u are still individual.
DanielMurphy007 4 years ago
I agree completely if you replace your usage of the word "individual" at the end with "free-thinker".
5thWatcher 4 years ago
you have an angelic face
DnaRnaDnaRnaDna 4 years ago
Thanks ^_^
5thWatcher 4 years ago
no man is an island.
summaatheologica 4 years ago
I knew someone was gonna say that. I'm talking in degrees, not absolutes, though.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
I agree with 5thwatcher that bringing religion into these comments sucks. If one doesn't like religion, it would make sense not to attack the video where 5thwatcher finally doesn't promote/defend religion.
cryptographix 4 years ago
dude, intending to be either a free thinker or a individual, by default makes you a douschbag. Why not just intend to be yerself, which makes you who you are, which is a good thing.
Theorizer8888 4 years ago
Intending to be yourself is exactly what I mean when I say "free thinker".
5thWatcher 4 years ago
you should change the name of the vedio then, becasue you are making it seem as if you can only intend to be one or the other, yet if their is no intention involved then you are being yerself, now if you are just not intending to be anything, thus being yerself, whatever image you happen to have in other peoples perception is actually who you really are.
Theorizer8888 4 years ago
the title before was not quite appropriate as well. At least this one has that question mark. Suggest a title, because I've already given it as much thought as I am willing to.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
why were you a Goth, what does being a Goth mean?
FuckBertrandRussell 4 years ago
you should cut your hair and spike it up
ThePriceIsRightFan 4 years ago
Are you serious? That probably one of the last haircuts I would ever get.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
what if my free thinking leads me to be an individual? wouldnt I then become an individual free thinker? or maybe a free thinking individual?
Teferi65 4 years ago
As I say in the video "if your free thinking causes you to be an individual then go nuts, but you certainly can't INTEND to be a free thinker without forgoing a vast amount of free thought."
5thWatcher 4 years ago
wow
I shall restrain myself
Leilatheloony 4 years ago
from what?
5thWatcher 4 years ago
from....explaining...how hot you are? Especially that first picture with the pink arm thing, and you have your hand all saucily placed on your cchest...SONOFABITCH
Leilatheloony 4 years ago
It's RED. Thank you.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
5th. how big is your penis
EonsWillpass 4 years ago
Bigger than yours from what I hear.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
I tihnk being a freethinker actually allows to you to more avidly pursue your own interests rather than those of others, such as no longer being tempted to conform to trends like goth, emo, punk ,etc. Sure, you can be those things, but you can't be those things for the reason of being part of the crowd. For this reason I think being a freethinker actually promotes the best kind of individuality (not difference, but fullfilling positions, regardless of the majorities choice)
OverusedChewToy 4 years ago
Now, freethought may, perhaps, lead to very close belief systems etc. but it doesn't necessarily detract from individuality. The aesthetic side of life can certainly hold a lot of meaning for a person. For example, your gothy clothing was symbollic of certain things etc. They held meaning that your mind attached to it. I think the aesthetic interests (like music, fashion, hobbies), tend not to be warped by the whole "freethinker" mindset.
OverusedChewToy 4 years ago
Lol at the Gothness. I think you're more trying to address conformist and anti-conformist methods of living your life. Thing is, being anti-conformist means that you conform to being an anti-conformist :P I think a freethinker can go with the mindset of non-conformist. That is, they do not have their choices affected no matter where the majority sit on the issue.
OverusedChewToy 4 years ago
wow.Did you think that in 5 seconds or 3 hours before you write it? :)(5thwatcher. your talking shit as usual)I love this kind of argument it really shows what you are made of! no offence mate but you brought it to yourself...
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
Individuality possibly comes as a stand alone thing. Can it really be artificial i wonder? Even if intended in the end it would be called style. An individual always involves in everything but i think it must be precisely explained by 5th (although i understand what he means) who an individual is in order to carry on.
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
What definition of individual are you using? The common definition is a person or a specific object out of a group.
BurningIssue 4 years ago
Naw, I'm using the "different than most" definition.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
And anyway its unfair to count people at all. we are not here for counting we are here i thing for understanding each other and respect one another.:)all of us.
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
I don't think he changed who he is. I think instead of manifesting on the outside he understood that manifesting it with his soul brain and heart is much more important and correct. Do i get it right 5th? Besides who can really change himself its extremely difficult.
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
That might be a factor, but really I just made a slight shift as a person.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
So the fact you changed who you are because you didnt want to be a "goth" makes you an individual (aspiring) and not a free thinker. Though your whole premise is flawed. Those who are individials are similar to other individuals in their state of mind (all individuals dont want to be like others); countering their very philosophy.
enclave2k1 4 years ago
Yeah, for sure, but it's unfair to count people outside their social circle, IE people they do not know exist. Also you missed the point on the Goth thing. Do I look like an individual?
Or do I look like a generic douche bag that just happens to have recognizable hair? I believe I was a free thinker then and now alike, it just is manifesting itself differently.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
BTW: I didn't quit goth because I didn't want to be in a group, my free-thought evolution simply moved me away from it.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
what i mean is that possibly you are on the path of trying to present that inner appearance if i got it right.Which again is proper and cool.'' i draw a you know what i mean card here hehe''
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
by the way did you get the email i send you?
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
Yeah I haven't gone to read it yet though, but I will.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
As a goth (which is/was quite cool)you were a thinking person (otherwise you made an incredible leap)all this years what would you say on that phrase?
''often we tend to appear to others in a standard form but most of us do not show the inner appearance'' which of course is the way of thinking etc etc. comment on that please i would like you to hear your opinion.
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
My apperance was an outward presentation on internal thoughts and dispositions. So if that is true I broke the mold on that front.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
Everyones appearence is an outward presentation of internal thoughts and dispositions, it all depends if you follow what you truly believe to be true, or you just go along with what someone else says becasue it feels more comfotable.
Theorizer8888 4 years ago
Another masterpiece. Good job.
It's a loaded question you ask there, but mind you freethinker and individual are not the onlt possabilities. I, for one, prefer to be a warrior and carry the burden of duty on my shoulders.
BladesForTounges 4 years ago
Thanks. And yeah, you can totally be neither.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
Seeking artificial individuality distances one from society and freethinkers, as free as they are, busy themselves more in contemplation and less in involvement in what goes around. The social angle is very important. These days you can't allow yourself to be uninvolved.
BladesForTounges 4 years ago
You very well my be an individual in the only way possible: unintentionally. In which you would also be unaware. Even so i really do see your point. I've got a friend who thinks kinda like that but with more spite. :-P
5thWatcher 4 years ago
perfect!Yes i accept the you know what i mean card i understand what you say provided you replied to me.
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
Actually no, that comment was for theRealDom but it applies to you too, almost word for word. I am big on hating egoism though! It does warrant a post.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
No more eyeliner! Yay! Good for you.
Jeans rule. I love jeans. ~L~
WoosterFanGirl 4 years ago
Is it not free thinking a requirement of individuality? Personally I understand what you are trying to say but I would change the words individual and free thinker with egoist and philosophy.Think about it and lets both work on that.
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
I suppose you could do that, but my thoughts on egoism are, again, another post.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
Yes but since everyone is a unique person in thinking then it is an individual so what happens when a unique thinking individual person thinks as a free thinker?
ZOLTRAN1 4 years ago
As I said in one of the last lines.. you certainly couldn't intend to be an individual without forgoing free thought on some level, so if you're both, it is necissary that you did not try.
5thWatcher 4 years ago
The way you described a free thinker would be synonomous with close minded...
TheRealDom 4 years ago