I guess if scriptwriters for any series worried too much about keeping things consistent you wouldn't get such varied, interesting and exciting storylines.
(Continued) meaning The Battle at Canary Wharf,Pretty much all of the Christmas Specials,Everything that happened in Journey's end-all 21st century invasions-NEVER HAPPENED. At least,according to Moffat. He said he wanted to make it so that the public weren't as aware of Aliens as they were when RTD wrote it. This has always upset me because,well,he basically erased everything that happened in series 1-4. ;_;
I agree with everything you've said! Consistency is a big thing with me too,and it gets kind of hard for me to accept things that differ so much from what we've already been drilled into our minds,like fixed and flux points in time,things you can and can't mess with,who The Doctor will and won't save,etc. Something that really bugs me though is the series 5 finale. I read somewhere that Steven Moffat had said that because the reset the Universe,none of alien invasions ever occurred on Earth...
And... and.... before I get bored of this subject entirely (which is taking a surprisingly long time I'll admit) I think if you haven't already already you should watch Coupling in order to understand what he may have meant by that (awfu) quote. The men of Coupling are in a "state of crippled apology" because they deserve to be, not because relationships are unfair. The women OTOH are portrayed as confident and competent, only flawed by their willingness to forgive their dimwitted boyfriends.
Point 2 (of however many): I think your take-away from ACC that the Doctor can now "save everyone" is wrong on several levels. 1, he only decides to "save" KS because he sees evidence that he could have been a good man. 2, he decidedly does not save Abigail -- in fact her tragedy contains a lesson about life and loss that seems meant to mirror the Doctor's own coming to terms with lost love. Watch the "one last night with your beloved" scene again -- it's right up your alley IMO.
I thought your critique was well put, don't get me wrong, BUT w. respect I think demanding consistency from Dr Who is silly. Even Russell's era wasn't as consistent as you make it seem. After all, many of your niggles about Moffat's "inconsistency" come from strories from Russell's era-- whom do we blame there? And furthermore, why is Russell's version the definitive version? SM's simply doing the same as RTD: picking the bits from the past he likes and telling the stories he wants to tell.
This is all just too big for me to comment on. I can say that I love Matt Smith and I really enjoy Amy Pond and her strength. However, I don't think people who prefer RTD are bad or wrong. You're comparison to Coke vs. Pepsi was spot on. Also you were right about the lack of scare. I scare easily so I didn't miss it much, but I notice it now that you mentioned it. Interesting. Judging from the promo though it might get scary. Great videos. Love hearing your opinions on this.
Re: Closed time loop: This is not a Moffet only thing. RTD did plenty of stuff like that, especially with Rose, the Master, Donna, and Jack. Admittedly, not in the same way, and certainely not as confusing, however in a rather back handed way. I don't think theres anything wrong with it, mainly because it makes the series alot more interesting rather than the Doctor being hijakced into a mission by the time lords
(cont) but I sort of felt like River does not seem like a person that the Doctor ~would~ trust and admire, albeit the awesomeness. I am dying to find out who River is in s6 if not just to know what the hell I am supposed to think of her.
And sorry for the rant. I have ~feelings~. None of this was supposed to be negative or character-bashing. I love Moff's work and Matt and Karen and Alex and ESPECIALLY ARTHUR. :D
you just don't know what you're supposed to be feeling. Should we happily go along with Amy and the Doctor funtiem adventures or should we remember that omg she has a fucking boyfriend and extreme abandonment issue. For River Song, I agree that she seems intimidating to me and frankly terrifying. I personally see her as way too violence and guns for someone like the Doctor to fall in love with? I felt like the show was trying to tell me "omg River is badass the doctor is gonna marry her so hard
amen. to like everything you said. what makes me butthurt the most about s5 is that we have these amazing female characters -- River, and Amy -- and sure, there awesome and everything, but then they sort of questionable things according to my stuffy RTD Who rulebook. When Amy made out with the Doctor, I just sort of sat there and watched and sort of ~felt~ the I was supposed to laugh, or maybe go OOOH. But to me, it was very Not Funny or whatever. But the thing with the Moff is that cont
I agree with both of you! I feel really torned right now. I don't want to choose, I want both! Can I have both?
I couldn't fully appreciate A Christmas Carol though for the reasons you brought up. The lack of consistency is really distracting and takes you away from the story.
So when it shows through in episodes like the one with the dreamlord, where all of the doctor's darkness is made apparent, it hit's you when you don't expect it. This very youthful, boyish character is suddenly 900 years old and has all the drama and all the anger, and all the experiences that come with that - good and bad. It throws you off balance and challenges that view of the Doctor that's been built up throughout the season.
Also, I like the happier, light-hearted version of the Doctor, because sometimes he has these moments. LIke, when he tells people to "bequiet because he's thinking" or when he stands in front of a horde of aliens and scares them enough to stay away. When 10 did it it was expected, he was The Oncoming Storm and you knew that there was a very dark and dangerous part of him. But with 11, that isn't made obvious.
Does sex distinguish a relationship? Wow, Moffat is a dick.
Overall I was more disappointed by the story-line of season 5 rather than the characters and how they were portrayed. I couldn't explain things to my brother about what was happening with my prior Who knowledge because it seemed as if it didn't matter. Changing time and fixing people was just ridiculous. Time can't be rewritten. This past season almost felt like a different show for me.
I was never scared by the Daleks. They never really worked as villains for me. I get that they're supposed to be completely devoid of any sort of humanity or emotion to be a perfect opposite of the Doctor, but it makes them so boring.
I agree with most of the stuff you said, but I disagree about the scariness factor. Everyone always said that "Blink" was terrifying, so I was really pumped to see it. I had seen the fifth season first and then went back to the beginning. The episode with the angels in the fifth season creeped me out. The angel coming out of the TV? Freaky. The man counting down? Creepy. But, "Blink," while a very good plot, didn't scare me. Maybe my expectations were too high, but it didn't scare me.
Just spent the last half an hour watching your face and not studying for my exam tomorrow. I am far too exhausted to actually give an intelligent response, however, so you'll have to forgive me. I'll try and come back to this and share opinions when I have free time, till then: <3
I guess if scriptwriters for any series worried too much about keeping things consistent you wouldn't get such varied, interesting and exciting storylines.
cyberwilkz 6 months ago
(Continued) meaning The Battle at Canary Wharf,Pretty much all of the Christmas Specials,Everything that happened in Journey's end-all 21st century invasions-NEVER HAPPENED. At least,according to Moffat. He said he wanted to make it so that the public weren't as aware of Aliens as they were when RTD wrote it. This has always upset me because,well,he basically erased everything that happened in series 1-4. ;_;
Lexpelliarmus 9 months ago
I agree with everything you've said! Consistency is a big thing with me too,and it gets kind of hard for me to accept things that differ so much from what we've already been drilled into our minds,like fixed and flux points in time,things you can and can't mess with,who The Doctor will and won't save,etc. Something that really bugs me though is the series 5 finale. I read somewhere that Steven Moffat had said that because the reset the Universe,none of alien invasions ever occurred on Earth...
Lexpelliarmus 9 months ago
And... and.... before I get bored of this subject entirely (which is taking a surprisingly long time I'll admit) I think if you haven't already already you should watch Coupling in order to understand what he may have meant by that (awfu) quote. The men of Coupling are in a "state of crippled apology" because they deserve to be, not because relationships are unfair. The women OTOH are portrayed as confident and competent, only flawed by their willingness to forgive their dimwitted boyfriends.
tzlifts 1 year ago
Point 2 (of however many): I think your take-away from ACC that the Doctor can now "save everyone" is wrong on several levels. 1, he only decides to "save" KS because he sees evidence that he could have been a good man. 2, he decidedly does not save Abigail -- in fact her tragedy contains a lesson about life and loss that seems meant to mirror the Doctor's own coming to terms with lost love. Watch the "one last night with your beloved" scene again -- it's right up your alley IMO.
tzlifts 1 year ago
I thought your critique was well put, don't get me wrong, BUT w. respect I think demanding consistency from Dr Who is silly. Even Russell's era wasn't as consistent as you make it seem. After all, many of your niggles about Moffat's "inconsistency" come from strories from Russell's era-- whom do we blame there? And furthermore, why is Russell's version the definitive version? SM's simply doing the same as RTD: picking the bits from the past he likes and telling the stories he wants to tell.
tzlifts 1 year ago
This is all just too big for me to comment on. I can say that I love Matt Smith and I really enjoy Amy Pond and her strength. However, I don't think people who prefer RTD are bad or wrong. You're comparison to Coke vs. Pepsi was spot on. Also you were right about the lack of scare. I scare easily so I didn't miss it much, but I notice it now that you mentioned it. Interesting. Judging from the promo though it might get scary. Great videos. Love hearing your opinions on this.
Ravenclaw2313 1 year ago
Re: Closed time loop: This is not a Moffet only thing. RTD did plenty of stuff like that, especially with Rose, the Master, Donna, and Jack. Admittedly, not in the same way, and certainely not as confusing, however in a rather back handed way. I don't think theres anything wrong with it, mainly because it makes the series alot more interesting rather than the Doctor being hijakced into a mission by the time lords
LilRonin01 1 year ago
(cont) but I sort of felt like River does not seem like a person that the Doctor ~would~ trust and admire, albeit the awesomeness. I am dying to find out who River is in s6 if not just to know what the hell I am supposed to think of her.
And sorry for the rant. I have ~feelings~. None of this was supposed to be negative or character-bashing. I love Moff's work and Matt and Karen and Alex and ESPECIALLY ARTHUR. :D
tl;dr I agree. A lot.
idiotjello 1 year ago
you just don't know what you're supposed to be feeling. Should we happily go along with Amy and the Doctor funtiem adventures or should we remember that omg she has a fucking boyfriend and extreme abandonment issue. For River Song, I agree that she seems intimidating to me and frankly terrifying. I personally see her as way too violence and guns for someone like the Doctor to fall in love with? I felt like the show was trying to tell me "omg River is badass the doctor is gonna marry her so hard
idiotjello 1 year ago
amen. to like everything you said. what makes me butthurt the most about s5 is that we have these amazing female characters -- River, and Amy -- and sure, there awesome and everything, but then they sort of questionable things according to my stuffy RTD Who rulebook. When Amy made out with the Doctor, I just sort of sat there and watched and sort of ~felt~ the I was supposed to laugh, or maybe go OOOH. But to me, it was very Not Funny or whatever. But the thing with the Moff is that cont
idiotjello 1 year ago
I agree with both of you! I feel really torned right now. I don't want to choose, I want both! Can I have both?
I couldn't fully appreciate A Christmas Carol though for the reasons you brought up. The lack of consistency is really distracting and takes you away from the story.
TheOrangeDream 1 year ago
So when it shows through in episodes like the one with the dreamlord, where all of the doctor's darkness is made apparent, it hit's you when you don't expect it. This very youthful, boyish character is suddenly 900 years old and has all the drama and all the anger, and all the experiences that come with that - good and bad. It throws you off balance and challenges that view of the Doctor that's been built up throughout the season.
ThatBookGirl 1 year ago
Also, I like the happier, light-hearted version of the Doctor, because sometimes he has these moments. LIke, when he tells people to "bequiet because he's thinking" or when he stands in front of a horde of aliens and scares them enough to stay away. When 10 did it it was expected, he was The Oncoming Storm and you knew that there was a very dark and dangerous part of him. But with 11, that isn't made obvious.
ThatBookGirl 1 year ago
Does sex distinguish a relationship? Wow, Moffat is a dick.
Overall I was more disappointed by the story-line of season 5 rather than the characters and how they were portrayed. I couldn't explain things to my brother about what was happening with my prior Who knowledge because it seemed as if it didn't matter. Changing time and fixing people was just ridiculous. Time can't be rewritten. This past season almost felt like a different show for me.
Please do not interpret this an offensive.
-Franc
oneqwerty 1 year ago
I was never scared by the Daleks. They never really worked as villains for me. I get that they're supposed to be completely devoid of any sort of humanity or emotion to be a perfect opposite of the Doctor, but it makes them so boring.
ThatBookGirl 1 year ago
I didn't watch your video so as not to be spoiled. But I'm glad you made a video. More please.
homeontheburrow 1 year ago
I agree with most of the stuff you said, but I disagree about the scariness factor. Everyone always said that "Blink" was terrifying, so I was really pumped to see it. I had seen the fifth season first and then went back to the beginning. The episode with the angels in the fifth season creeped me out. The angel coming out of the TV? Freaky. The man counting down? Creepy. But, "Blink," while a very good plot, didn't scare me. Maybe my expectations were too high, but it didn't scare me.
penguinsrule8000 1 year ago
Just spent the last half an hour watching your face and not studying for my exam tomorrow. I am far too exhausted to actually give an intelligent response, however, so you'll have to forgive me. I'll try and come back to this and share opinions when I have free time, till then: <3
owlssayhooot 1 year ago