Marie Antoinette: The Last Queen of France (part5/12)

[janeyrevanescence12]

I highly doubt that MA and Fersen were lovers. If that was the case, her brother/mother would've found out and sent a barrage of letters to her. She wasn't able to be alone.

[OreadNYC]

It's ironic that Louis XVI's contribution to the American Revolution may have played a role in his own ruin. If memory serves, it is thought that the American Revolution helped inspire the French Revolution.

[TonyBranston]

n-word lol

[schizoidboy]

In the case of Marie Antoinette the old Nazi saying that "A lie becomes the truth if it is said often and load enough" is horribly apt.

[rdc197810]

Count Fersen looks a little like Barry Manilow

[peachykatara]

I doubt Fersen and Antoinette were actually lovers - it is basically a legend, not to say that they weren't amazing friends and very close. Also, why did they call Louis short and unattractive when he was one of the tallest men in the French court and (facial wise) a better looking men for that era? I mean he became a fatter man but besides that...

And those cartoons were so rude :( Poor Antoinette!

[NarokiDream]

how much is 7 million uros in the US

[friedafans]

Marie-Antoinette est si incroyablement intéressant. Je voudrais pouvoir vivre comme elle.

[PrincessKLS]

Four children, I though she had 3 children and the youngest died shortly after birth????

[MarinaMaxwellYuy]

@PrincessKLS No. She had Marie-Thérèse ( 1778-1851), Louis-Joseph ( 1781-1789), Louis-Charles ( 1785-1795) and Sophie (1787-1788).

[DemonFoxAkira]

"Cheese makers making cheese."

Aww, I thought they made whoopie cushions. XD

[kjhen]

@DemonFoxAkira This is too funny...Such a simple observation, but had me laughing out loud--literally...

[cleanhomer]

I wonder how Marie would've performed if she were a British queen?... in other words, if she was a parliamentary monarch, who was far more fully aware of affairs of her realm's affairs, even that of the poor, and that she had government power to do this or that about it. (Though, I'm not sure how much actual power the British monarchs had through the ages- George III, Victoria, Elizabeth II)

They said Marie was kind-hearted. Maybe she would've passionately helped the poor!

[KDVx3]

Sometimes I wonder if it really IS as hard to be rich as it is to be broke...

Wouldn't mind at all the opportunity to find out...

[122A7]

@KDVx3 if you believe in god, he is fair actually. a poor person would feel the same amount of happiness for getting 50 bucks as a rich person getting 50 million bucks

[lelestraws]

Cheese makers making cheese... O RLY

[MsMiMo18]

Wish I had a time machine to go back in time and say to the court "Mind your own d*$% business!!" Then run back into the time machine cause I'd probably be caught, hang, drawn and quartered if I stayedmore than a few seconds.

[Mr1958louief]

The French People had been living like this before King Louis. He and Marie were escape goats for a Revelation. On the other hand they should have seen the People not just the "COURT." But, That wasn't the way the "Court" did business.

[uranne]

the historians and biographers here seem like entertainment show reporters hehehe :)

[TheyDontSee]

@LibertineBathory I agree... Paris(ite) Hilton? Don't make me laugh. Shit to diamonds is right! Ick. The 2 names don't belong in the same sentence! lol

[Swtdevilmisery]

What is the song for the beginning of this part of the documentary?

[klaramigbra]

I mean JESUS I usually like listening to french people do learn more french (i'm swedish) but the way that french woman speaks is so FING ANNOYING.

[Bloombaby99]

People say that Marie Antoinette wasn't taught how to be a good queen---this is true, BUT she did receive strict warning from her mother in Vienna, Austria about her frivolous ways...it was so bad that even her brother Leopold came out to scold her. She should have heeded their advice. Plus, she made the French peasant life sound "cutesy" and "in fashion" when it was damningly the opposite. The taxes were crushing, people lost their homes and lands, and the government didn't make things better.

[Bloombaby99]

@LibertineBathory: Maybe so. But thank you for pointing that out...just thought I'd make a comparison but I do agree.

[blue2765]

I have never heard french spoken so poorly.

[pegger1982]

i have to completely agree with some peoples comparisons of Paris Hilton and Marie Antoinette...i was thinking the same thing myself

[DiLancreRoyalty]

@pegger1982 There aresomesimilarities between Paris Hilton and Marie Antoinette but the difference rely on their class and the fact that Paris created that "fabulous" character of herlself and Marie Antoinette was truly fabulous.

[Bloombaby99]

Paris Hilton reminds me of Marie Antoinette: People hating them both, both of them growing up in undeniable privilege, being blind to the radical changes in their country, spending money haphazardly for their pursuit of personal pleasure, being duped by thieves, not caring what other people think and yet somehow still manage to fascinate the hell out us.

[Bloombaby99]

I truly believe Marie Antoinette isn't dead... I think in some way her frivolous, vain, luxurious life has been reincarnated into Paris Hilton.

[TheAmericanEvita]

I sincerely doubt thatCount Fersen and Marie were lovers. They were always together in public settings, not private. He was never at Trianon and even if he had been, she wasn't alone with him. She invited her entourage of ladies in waiting and her many friends who came to see her perform in plays and operas. The truth was Marie was NEVER 2 minutes alone except when she was in bed with her husband Louis. Her life was always being monitored. No affairs could be had with that many snoops.

[AllieCat356]

TOTALLY DISRESPECTFUL DRAWING A QUEEN IN THIS WAY. THATS DISGRACEFUL. THE 1700-1800 FRENCH ARE NON HUMAN, TTHE WAY THE TREATED HER, HER FRIENDS AND MOST DISGRACEFULLY, AND HORRIFYING, HER SON, WHO DIED IN THEIR CUSTODY. ITS AMAZING MARIE THERESE SURVIVED, NO WONDER SHA HAD NO CHILDREN, IF I SAW WHAT SHE DID, I WOULDNT EITHER YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF URSELVES, NO DIFFERENT THAN HITLER YET U CRIED 2 US, THE U.S.A. AND OUR BOYS GOT KILLED STICKING UP FOR THE FRENCH,WHEN THAT IS IN THEIR BLOOD.

[IAMWHOIAM237]

what music is being played at  3m 42s 3:42 ?

[RLviddy]

MA could create wherever she was, looks like. Embedded in Versailles, she was a pioneer of fashion and doting but way too sheltered queen. Resting in the Trianon, she was a 'regular' person--well, her definition, anyway. Imprisoned in Paris, she was suddenly an ambassador and diplomat who masterminded an escape.

[itsmister2u]

As Nero said: she must have said as well in her heart after she was presented her home away from home. "Now i can at last began to live as a human being".

[itsmister2u]

You have to understand. This was a girl who grew up in a world far removed from reality. She was living a dream. She didn't work hard to get the power and money she was exposed to. She was born into it. Call it winning tge lottery. She could not read or write very well. Which tells you alot about her upbringing and training in a royal household. He believed in getting married, having babies and letting someone else do the work. She was a 17th cent' pretty chickenhead.

[itsmister2u]

"The Diamond nackless affair" can be considered an earily version of a Nigerian 419 scam.

[Bloombaby99]

As for the "Affair Of The Diamond Necklace" the swindlers knew Marie's weakness and they tried it against her and it failed. Marie had a deep lust for excessive things and places. If she were truly religious, she would have known that was a sin, period. Greed is a sin for the excessive riches and power of the world. She should have listened to her mother and she was hypocritical; telling her daughter to "be considerate of those less fortunate" when she helped France into debt with her fantasies.

[Bloombaby99]

I can see why the French were mad with Marie. Her husband no matter how unattractive, gave us Americans our freedom! He supplied our troops at that time with all the help we needed while his spoiled wife ignored the pains of the French people and the letters of warning from her mother. If that money had been used for the good of the people rather than building her own fantasy like a two year old, maybe she wouldn't have been killed. They should have at least spared Louis XVI and his children.

[LaSerpentaCanta]

I think Marie Antoinette and Fersen had a platonic love because after all she was deeply Catholic and she despised Madame Du Barry for being an adulterous whore, it seems terribly out of character that she would have sex with another man while married.

[calmtides]

the way that historian woman speaks is highly annoying (i'm french and still...)

[carolinesalv]

I can judge her to an extent- as she got older she was no longer as clueless and was made more aware of the situation in France outside Versailles yet still she CHOOSE! not to take it seriously.,and it cost her her life!!

[JulieRebu07]

i really cant judge her she was so young she had all this money and power what was she suposse to do with it. she just did what most of us would have donne just spend like crazy.

[StrongImaginationA]

I hate how they always focus on HER extravagances. ALL rich people back then spent loads and loads of money.

[MasKistershi]

@StrongImaginationA This is very true and she was pretty much simply the person she had been created to be and it was bad luck for her that this occurred at a time when America had just received it's independence so other counties were looking the same way. However even for the time and her situation, her spending was considered by others of a similar rank to be over the top and extravagant. You are right, she was definitely not the only one in a position like this to have acted in such a way

[StrongImaginationA]

@MasKistershi (sorry for the late response) You're absolutely right, I think I meant that everything is relative and should be seen in context of manners and customs of the time, something which in my opinion is not so easily defined ...

[happybkwrm]

@StrongImaginationA True. All the Royals spent recklessly; wasting a lot of money and they all had HUGE staff - many who did nothing. Read Fraser's book.

[StrongImaginationA]

@happybkwrm I have actually! Although not untill the end, but still a very large part of it.

[songtree27]

@StrongImaginationA the key difference being that this rich person was the queen of france and her people payed her bills for her.

[StrongImaginationA]

@songtree27 What exactly do you mean with 'her people'? The French countrymen or the people who worked for her as her staff? I guess I was saying in my comment a year ago that indeed she was conspicuously extravagant, but in those times it wasn't uncommon for the high nobility to have debts etc. They probably didn't think about money the same way we do now. Also, I wasn't trying to say that MA shouldn't be the focus, but that some more background about the customs of the time should be included.

[songtree27]

@StrongImaginationA ps this documentary is about marie antoinette so wouldnt it make sense to focus on her?

[InnannasRainbow]

@StrongImaginationA It's usually the woman who is blamed, especially if she is foreign. I would never want to be among the absurdly rich or powerful, as the saying goes: 'Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.' I would much rather be a commoner, thank you.

[phatnatyouknow]

My history teacher described her as "The Paris Hilton of the 18th century" LOL

[sephorajones]

@phatnatyouknow your history teacher seems very cool. 

[Jackstowne]

@phatnatyouknow That's the image of her but she was nowhere near as scandalous, particularly with regards to sex.

[TheLemrak]

@phatnatyouknow Your history professor is wrong. Marie Antoinette was virtuous while Paris Hilton is a skank.

[EndOpressionSession]

@phatnatyouknow she was THAT stupid?

[dewhite001]

Young rulers who are not ready to rule

[TheSunIsBlack]

courtiers were really worried about the plight of the poor then.peasants would go to prison for shooting a rabbit (property of the local aaristcrat))eating thier vegetable gardens

[MDkid1]

why is she always depicted in paintings with gray hair?

[fabfashionista13]

@MDkid1 the french court powdered their wigs....

[MiiFromNL]

@MDkid1 It was mode in the 18th century. They had wigs in that colour.

[mcflanette]

@MDkid1 It was the fashion back then, grey hair meant they had wisdom and were mature.... kind of like the opposite of now, nowadays people pay thousands to look YOUNGER back then they put alot of powder in there hair to give it the grey look :)

[laurarox01]

2842 karat necklace.........holy shiz!

[kdvdreamer]

the blames were easily put on the women back in the day since they had no rights...

[LenaGaga100]

@maths36 maybe they used rags ...=S lol

[britneyluver09]

Courtiers: "Hey! She's not letting us watch her every move so we can critique her! It MUST be an unbridled sex-house she's been spending time in." Gosh... Sounds like todays tabloids.

[LenaGaga100]

I always wondered what happen in those days when you get your period? 

[pattygrimaldo1515]

@LenaGaga100 yeah, like how did they lived with it back then?

[kiddooo10]

@pattygrimaldo1515 they used rags

[cHoKoLatPYE]

@LenaGaga100 i think u would use some forms of cloths to stem the flow but that was about it.

[elinheartstristin]

wow. no different from americain media and celebrity magazains of today

[1958louief]

You can't Ignore The People, Just as what happened then, is happening now in

The U.S.A.. The People are ignored and only Time will tell before the same thing happens here in The U.S.A.

[CHCANY]

Clarice1682vlavinder11

.HOW YOU CAN SAY, HE DID NOT?!) ook at some of his portraits, he was very ugly and fat man...you can well see it...his face dull...

[snowflakett]

Marie mustve had an idea of what peasants were cos she was acting them in her plays

[XxEmoAngel]

Marie Antoinette Was So Beautiful..She Certainly Did NOT Desurve To Die Like That. We Love You Queen Marie Antoinette <3

[YourOasis97]

whether she was completely oblivious to the french people's problems is very reasonable but we weren't there. the fact that she shirked her duties or didnt even bother, showed she didnt care to even investigate. im not saying she is horrible cos no one really knows unless you met her. however, i do sympathize with her tragic end if there was no proof to her "crimes" and if she really was oblivious to everything. if she wasn't, it might've saved her head. no pun intended.

[YourOasis97]

i really dont understand people's fascination with her. she seems like the classic airhead. a simple creature with simple pleasures and one that didnt think far beyond that. she was no ruler or great and contributed nothing to french culture or society. so i dont know why there are fans of her. cos of her beauty? thats a bit shallow. we have models for that you know.

[oguzsaltik]

@YourOasis97 I think it's her status and situation in life which is intriguing to many. Think about it, to be only 14 years old when you are shipped off to the most extravagant court in Europe, with no balance sheet! Not to mention becoming a queen at such a young age. It's not just her beauty that people are in love with, it's her charisma, charms and elegance.

[YourOasis97]

@oguzsaltik yes but we never met her. all we have are accounts by others of her elegance, etc. and i find that a bit shallow. lots of young women married young and were princesses or queen during that time. yes her story is interesting but to me its only interesting for history's sake. she was the last queen of france and the way she died and why. not because of who she was or what she did.

[lavinder11]

Same reason why people idolize Tyra, Diana, Oprah, etc. They are just fascinating of themselves. It isn't about beauty, it's about what she represented (according to the individual). Mostly a careless teen, perhaps ditzy, and horribly wronged and misunderstood. Imagine the young women these days (and men as well) who would love to be whirled away as she was. By her history, they could create a world in where they would have acted differently, etc.

Just let the admirers be.

[YourOasis97]

@lavinder11 i am letting it be. just find it odd.

[CatAtomic99]

Good on the French for throwing off a whole class of fat, obsolete leaches.

[japeeisalwaysthebest]

you can't blame Marie Antoinette. her parents set her to marry the King but she never wanted to.

[MrRmon1]

please,can you tell me the name of the song ar 00:11?

[MrRmon1]

can you tell me the name of the song at 00:11

[geostat12]

Do you know that there is a present day Marie Antoinette? It's in the personage of GLORIA MACAPAGAL ARROYO, Philippine President

[jsharkee]

GMA can never be compared to Marie Antoinette. Marie Antoinette did not know what she was or was not doing, I like her very much. As for GMA I hope she rots in hell!

[japeeisalwaysthebest]

@geostat12

Marie Antoinette is a lot better than GMA

[Gvanillavodka]

i didnt know there were cartoons made of her. this is really interesting thank you for uploading!

[TheNuharoo]

I don't know why everyone sympathizes with Antoinette. She didn't do her duties, ignores both the nobility and the common people and then proceeds to live life 'how she wants' despite the fact that she could have saved herself. If she had reached out to the people, they never would have hated her and if she had paid attention to the nobility, they could have protected her.

Instead she stupidly snubbed both.

[DiLancreRoyalty]

its easy to judge from a very far position than the one she had. All her live was surrounded by this pink bubble since the day she was born. At 14 she was given a political duty she did not want or even fully understand. She was ignorant of what was happening in real France, and she was not raised to think about it. She was not a good queen, but she was never taught how to be one.

[TheNuharoo]

No way. She was brought up knowing she would marry as would do well for Austria. She was fully aware of what was expected and at her age, well, it was the norm. She was expected to participate in Court functions, be an ornament, and in no way shirk her duties.

She was also raised by her mother to care for the poor, to be religious, and to have an heir and spare. Like all royal princesses. She could have reached out, but didn't choose to.

[DiLancreRoyalty]

I would never rely on 15 year old kids to rule a country no mater how well prepared they were, its just not right

[TheNuharoo]

Well, Antoinette was simply supposed to be a consort, not actually rule. Louis was nineteen and Antoinette 18. Then if they had been younger, there would have been a regency.

[Winterfairy777]

really? well look at Henry VIII how old he was when his father died. And he made it.

you seem to not understand how those kids had to learn and that they where taught completely different then our kids today.

[Gvanillavodka]

@DiLancreRoyalty they were 20 +

[LMFAOASAP]

@DiLancreRoyalty I'm sure that back then that age was considered adulthood sort of like being 25 . If you were at marrying age your were an adult.

[DiLancreRoyalty]

@LMFAOASAP Still, they were teens. Even at 20, a person its waaaay too yourg ot rule a country

[Bloombaby99]

@DiLancreRoyalty: True. This is exactly what you get. But someone in the French court should've taught Louis XVI how to compose himself under pressure and how to solve problems rather than run from them.

[JinxxyToxicValentine]

@DiLancreRoyalty i agree and besides, her mother hardly even spent the time to teach her how to be a queen because she didnt think her daughter would amount to anything; concentrating more on her eldest and favourite daughter.

[Winterfairy777]

i agree. she did not care for the people she only cared for herself. that is not how to rule a country. Her hubby was weak too.

[modelspiceboi]

@TheNuharoo She attended church, supported the arts, gave a lot to charity, had four kids (two died in childhood). The problem is that her husband was a crap ruler and because she was the outsider and wasn't paying attention, she was an easy scapegoat.

[312827JCK]

I agree with you... She was only a child when her mother decide it for her to get marry and send her to a country that dislike everything regards her or her culture. She was so beautiful.

[Winterfairy777]

not correct

[vinnyflintoff]

@DiLancreRoyalty Your comment is the best one i've read on youtube regarding Marie Antoinette."She was not a good queen, but she was never taught how to be one"................too good bro

[mattconn]

@vinnyflintoff She kinda was though. For years before she left Austria she was taught how to be a Queen, she was groomed for the role. Unfortunately she was only taught how to keep Louis happy, not the people. Nobody foresaw Louis being such a hopeless King, but when he was Marie Antoinette held some of the blame too.

[bs87xxx]

What is the name of the classical music piece at 00:11 ?

[Clarice1682]

LOOL Evelyne Lever is soo fucking great *ironic!!!!!* LOOOL Fersen wasn´t the opposite of Lozis ..yeah..but Louis wan´t smaller than fersen. In truth, Louis was 1,94 tall and much beter looking than Fersen..Oh my...yes these woman should wake up of her own lies and illusions...*eyesroll*

[lavinder11]

... those paintings of Louis after the first 6 years of their marriage showed a kind, but gross looking man. You may have different tastes, but Fersen looked better. As for who was taller, it could have been Loius' girth that made him look shorter in comparison.

[Clarice1682]

@lavinder11 Louis never looked gross o.0 In fact he was a very attractive man. And sorry i really cannot see where Fersen looks better. He just understand to "look better" in the way he handle the ladies around him. He flatter them and used them. A second Casanova..*brr* And sry, but the girth have nothing to do how tall you are, at least not in these kind of size. My BF have the same size (1,94cm) like Louis and he is still tall even if he have some kg´s.This is rubbish.

[lavinder11]

According to my tastes, Louis around the same time she had an 'affair' with Fersen looked piggish. He was rotund, if you will. That's what I meant by girth. Just chalk it up to taste and leave it at that.

[Clarice1682]

@lavinder11 well ...its really a kind of taste and with this, i´m more than sry for Louis to live with such a woman like MA...*brr* If someone of them was the gross one...well surely not him! Au revoir ;)

[CHCANY]

@Clarice1682 Clarice1682vlavinder11

.HOW YOU CAN SAY, HE DID NOT?!) look at some of his portraits, he was very ugly and fat man...you can well see it...his face dull...I think we all know he was very king a human, one of those kings who care but he was weak...so weak he didn´t do anything- if Louis XVI. wasn´t so weak there would be no Revolution.

[Clarice1682]

@CHCANY LOOL yes yes *eyesroll* With such words, i see your knowledge of history. I say that cause i´m not! a blind girly which see the world through pink-MA glasses....*sigh* The reasons for the revolution where more than complex.. but to give you know the wink, to take a look eg. to your so beloved austrian, or to explain it to YOU would be totally useless. So come on, get along! Cause with YOU i don´t talk! Much fun in your " she was so innocent and pretty "-fairytale illusions!

[CHCANY]

@Clarice1682

WHY such cruel, cold reply...you seems very upset for I spoke the truth. We all here love Marie Antoinette, without her Louis XVi. who loved her completely, would be very sad and deserted man...but he was weak...I know about Marie Antoinette probebly even more that you, who always seem to transfer her into some of stupid, evil, arrogant woman. ...just becouse you love(It seems) Louis XVI....remind you- he was not as J.F. Balmer portraits him in La Révolution Francaise...

[Clarice1682]

@CHCANY LOL i don´t think you know MA better than me. The difference is you believe in these fairytale people wants to see with her. Or that you means to guess i wouldn´t know her just cause i truly prefer Louis. And i don´t put her in these kind of positions, cause she do/did by herself. *eyesroll* And lool@Balmer. He did the best job ever, better the Jane or Kirsten ever could! And yes, he was a lil bit to shy sometimes....

[Clarice1682]

@CHCANY ...., cause Louis was much more "harder". But as said, from someone like you i don´t expect anything of to understand the truth. And yes yes you love these terrible woman, good job. Bravo! Great way to show a certificat d'indigence. XD Keep believing in your pink illusions... i don´t care ;)

[312827JCK]

Where can I find the rest? Please let me know. thanks

[WarRogers]

This is very interesting. Too few documentaries go into details of the affair of the necklace. I wonder if any of those political pamphlets survive today and, if so, what's their worth

[Winterfairy777]

thhere are dicumentations on why is believed happend to the jewels. they got sold and showed up. can not recall the story 100% but u should be able to find infos on it online.