huuuu gasp XD oh and yah the chicken is the closest desendent 2 the trex but the turky is more closely related 2 other types of dinosaurs more closely related 2 some species of dinosaurs then the chicken is 2 the trex
Just hold a bird close one day, you'll see for yourself. Claws, head, eyes, the reptilian origins are very evident. And then throw a little lizard to it, you won't doubt its dinosaurus affiliation!
"Are human better off then the monkeys we evolved from"
I love when poeple say this, like it somthing smart to say. Realy it show how dumb you are. If you go out and study monkeys in the wild, they are not nice animal like that are seen on TV. Get off the computer and TV and study them youself.
That is the most BS i have ever heard! The likeness in bones, warm blooded, and lays eggs simply prove there is a common Designer! evolution has been proven wrong several times. Even darwen doubted his theory he knew it was a load of crap.
Therapod dinos already had the right hips, hollow bones, S-shaped neck, down plumage and birdlike lungs. Several species developed actual feathers, even asymetrical feathers, for all kinds of functions. Using the claws to manipulate the arm feathers, made great airfoils, maybe even just for more grip during running. Once feathers were in place, the bony tail was obsolete. The beak then evolved as a light weight yet strong type of jaw, after which teeth could be left away for weight reduction.
Claws on the wings still appear on some birds. Check out the hoatzin.
Almost every step in evolution from dinos to birds, starting with the strong erect hips of the first dinos, to the disappearance of front claws in modern birds, seems to be about greater speed and mobility. Weight reduction, higher metabolism, grip, powerful muscles, slender build, even flight. They're almost like racing cars that have had their aerofoils turned upside down to create up force instead of down force.
It took millions of years to come from top of the food chain to a turkey. lol Is that backwards evolution maybe? Turkeys are the dumest creatures Ive ever seen, Im around them all the time.
i think evolution is easily misunderstood, this is not an instant change from a dinosaur to a turkey. over millions of years, small changes and mutations triggered by natural adaptations to a changing environment led to the big changes we see today.
Yeah, but, where exactly is the fossil evidence pertaining to those "small changes"? Surely, if raptors evolved into turkeys, then there has to be fossil evidence showing the full intermediate steps from raptor to turkey.
But, all I seem to be hearing from evolution researchers is: "turkeys have similar bone structures to raptors, therefore, turkeys evolved from raptors". There's just not enough proof from the current fossil evidence to make such a conclusion.
you are hung up of the fact that "there has to be fossil evidence showing the full intermediate steps from raptor to turkey." most animals we know of don't show intermediate steps, and you have to realize that fossils are pretty hard to find, especially ones that are intact. evolution doesn't happen in steps, it is a slow process.
You previously said, that evolution "is not an instant change", but now you're saying that "evolution doesn't happen in steps"? Which is it exactly, as you seem to have become confused.
Without conclusive proof from the fossil records, evolution researchers don't have any evidence of raptor evolution - just baseless theories, and their research should be treated as such.
its doesnt happen in steps, there arent steps to evolving. it is a very very slow process. you really are stuck on the fact that animals dont evolve like this. "i am a raptor, now i am a raptor with feathers, now i am a raptor without teeth, now i am a raptor with wings instead of arms etc." and there is an enormous fossil record to prove that raptors are ancient relatives of turkeys, as the tyrannosaurs is to the chicken.
most dinosaurs laid eggs. and saying that a velocipraptor laid turkey eggs is the most retarded thing i've seen in a while. is evolution really that confusing to you? a velociraptor and a turkey aren't the same animal, so i dont even know why you asked that. birds some modern reptiles are the last remaining relatives of the dinosaurs, so there are missing links to be found. and keep in mind this is a 65 mil. year gap, you can't simply put transitional animals in between and call it evolution.
So, now you're claiming that they are "missing links to be found", while you previously disregarded the fact that evolution doesn't occur in steps. I'm finished talking, as you've successfully destroyed your own argument.
And yeah, evolution is pretty confusing, as it doesn't make that much sense to me.
"and way to throw in the red herring there. "
You're welcome? Or would you rather I say, your site sucks, F-you? You're a sad, pathetic little man.
Hmm... Evolution must work if you go from velociraptor to 65 million years later to a turkey. The dumest animal on earth. ( They are so dumb they drown in the rain but thats evolution for ya.)
Oh wait, it is confusing and doesn't make much sense to me ether.
if we think about the way humans evolved it makes scene that evolution is flawed i mean look at what humans do: genocide, war, enslavement based on color of skin. makes about as much scene if you think about it.
Reseached? I know wild turkeys, I see them all the time. Maybe they dont drown but they do get in the same trap set out the same way over and over agin. They spend hours running after a small bug that can have enough food value to justify that much running. Hunting them all you got to do is be where they want to go becuase they are not going to stop till they get to that spot. So I think I have researched them in the wild.
spicychickenwing31: Me believing in God does not make me uneducated. Just because someone doesn't believe in evolution but rather believes in God doesn't make them dumb.
I never made the claim that all people who believe in god are uneducated. I just implied that you know very little about evolution to say it is false.
spicychickenwing31: I said that becuase most people who don't believe in evolution are believers in a god. And I do know a 'lil bit 'bout evolution. Like that there's no fossils that prove it. =)
I have two friends who are both biology majors that accept evolution and believe in god. The reason why there are no fossils to prove it to you is because whenever you're presented with some and a description along with them, you deny it.
k, but I've never been presented with fosssils and a description and denied it. I am not subjected to believe what people present to me though. I do like science, just don't believe in evolution.
Odviously your the dumbass.... I never said anything about evolution is false now did I. All I was saying was Dino to Turkey would be devolution, would it not? Dino top of the food chain too, turkey bottem of the food chain.
I still can't find the reply where I called you a dumbass. If I did, then I apologize since it might have been a mistake (meant to reply to someone else), but you have to understand, evolution sometimes doesn't favor going from the bottom to the top of the food chain.
Dinosaurs lost their claim to the world after the meteorite crash. Birds are the surviving branch, so its not devolution, it's a change in reign. Birds, in general, are more evolved than their dinosaur ancestors in the refinement and effectiveness of their flying body structures. Except turkey and chicken, but then again by being useful to the dominant species (us), they have ensured massive numbers. Ever guessed how many chicken is alive right now?
If it wasn't for our intelligence we wouldn't be alive today, we would be primitive beings struggling to stay alive, the fact we discovered how to control and make fire saved our species as a whole. So we are not really meant to be dominant are we?
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Since many dinosaurs had feathers and pretty much the same bone structure as birds, it can be argued that birds don't come FROM dinosaurs, but they ARE a type of dinosaur. Really, compare a velociraptor skeleton (not the Jurassic Park one, the real chicken-sized feathery one) with a turkey.
"Gee, science science has irrefutable proof of any given fact but I'd rather blindly believe in theories with absolutely no proof of any sort and which are based on all sorts of silly and often conflicting fairy tales."
well, at least there's people finding out new infomation we don't know. i wonder which one is the bullshit now. if you think that this is bullshit, then shouldn't all museums be full of bullshit too? i bet there are more fossils to prove evolution than churches.
When I was around 10 years old or so.. one of my biggest dream was to see a living dinosour.. and a couple of years ago I saw a documentary about this. This is really amazing stuff but my dream is still to see a "real" dinosour.
The evolutionary branch we came off of was much earlier than the dinosaurs. We came from a line called the Synapsids, and our ancestor is Dimetrodon.
The turkey is like "I'm a dinosaur! Fear me! Why are you not cowering? I will eat you!!"
yerk3 3 months ago
If t-rex is gonna be related to dinner then why can't it's descendence look more like dinosaurs, like a bambiraptor or a sinorthosaurus!
Whiptooth 8 months ago
6 people think Earth is only 6,000 years old.
IPS0125 1 year ago 2
colonel saunders > t-rex
prototype615h 1 year ago
the chiken is EVIL
Epicburnout 1 year ago
omg theres a turkey outside wat do i do
MrPencilthingy 1 year ago
huuuu gasp XD oh and yah the chicken is the closest desendent 2 the trex but the turky is more closely related 2 other types of dinosaurs more closely related 2 some species of dinosaurs then the chicken is 2 the trex
wildlife011803 1 year ago
Can someone upload this full episode please.
Socoolscienceshow 2 years ago
all human being life started in Africa egyptian africans
fckngolddighoez18 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA this is hilarious
I thought dinosaurs were reptiles? and dinos dont have beaks, turkeys dont have razor sharp teeth..
And... their legs bend different ways...
jianpang88 2 years ago
well thats funny :D
0omikko0 2 years ago
Yeah, but thats because some landbased creatures evolved into the water again.
Praw48 2 years ago
Is there a second part to this?
testament 2 years ago
Darwin probably thought of it, but actually most of his expertise, and research, was in barnacles.
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20whales evolved from small ungulates. :)
gfdud33 2 years ago
it's funny but the chicken is the closest living genetic relative of the T-rex.
selsuru 2 years ago 7
It's so weird! I know!
LocoGaryot 2 years ago
@selsuru Evolution can be cruel huh?
Zwartekaka 1 year ago
Just hold a bird close one day, you'll see for yourself. Claws, head, eyes, the reptilian origins are very evident. And then throw a little lizard to it, you won't doubt its dinosaurus affiliation!
Voydr 2 years ago
When "Dino Park" was published the hypothesis of dinos turned into birds was still kinda wild and disputed I think.
42317 3 years ago
"Are human better off then the monkeys we evolved from"
I love when poeple say this, like it somthing smart to say. Realy it show how dumb you are. If you go out and study monkeys in the wild, they are not nice animal like that are seen on TV. Get off the computer and TV and study them youself.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
LOL 1:52
tetriminos 3 years ago
funy
MiRiHaYaMi 3 years ago
hmmm...i guess,thx to dinosaurs we can enjoy our thx giving meals
adyyy22 3 years ago 4
damnn...i wish they wouldn't stop there...keeping it suspenseful
amitd1986 3 years ago 2
COOL.
Mike07P 3 years ago
That is the most BS i have ever heard! The likeness in bones, warm blooded, and lays eggs simply prove there is a common Designer! evolution has been proven wrong several times. Even darwen doubted his theory he knew it was a load of crap.
Terminator379420 3 years ago
exactly
dias1777777 3 years ago
Except he didn't. Which designer are you talking about, Allah, Jehovah, Jesus, or perhaps a moral god who doesn't murder thousands.
SecularEarth 3 years ago
There is only one designer God. and if you are implying that God is murdering thousands you are sadly mistaken
Terminator379420 3 years ago
Is this the god of the Bible?
SecularEarth 3 years ago
it is
Terminator379420 3 years ago
How are you so sure that there is a god? All you have is blind faith.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
Therapod dinos already had the right hips, hollow bones, S-shaped neck, down plumage and birdlike lungs. Several species developed actual feathers, even asymetrical feathers, for all kinds of functions. Using the claws to manipulate the arm feathers, made great airfoils, maybe even just for more grip during running. Once feathers were in place, the bony tail was obsolete. The beak then evolved as a light weight yet strong type of jaw, after which teeth could be left away for weight reduction.
depperoni 3 years ago
Claws on the wings still appear on some birds. Check out the hoatzin.
Almost every step in evolution from dinos to birds, starting with the strong erect hips of the first dinos, to the disappearance of front claws in modern birds, seems to be about greater speed and mobility. Weight reduction, higher metabolism, grip, powerful muscles, slender build, even flight. They're almost like racing cars that have had their aerofoils turned upside down to create up force instead of down force.
depperoni 3 years ago
i wonder how fast the fastedst dino could run...
depperoni 3 years ago
faster than rocks i bet
TheNightracer 3 years ago
i doubt this happened turkeys have beaks feathers and theirbirds i
wertyfol 3 years ago
It took millions of years to come from top of the food chain to a turkey. lol Is that backwards evolution maybe? Turkeys are the dumest creatures Ive ever seen, Im around them all the time.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
Ha I knew that would come up, the answer is no-one because then he would not be the creator but a creation
Raptor356 3 years ago
It Makes No Sense!
Dinosaurs were made extinct. So how can you evolve from something that's not there?
Raptor356 3 years ago
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Raptor356 3 years ago
i think evolution is easily misunderstood, this is not an instant change from a dinosaur to a turkey. over millions of years, small changes and mutations triggered by natural adaptations to a changing environment led to the big changes we see today.
aviloud 3 years ago
Yeah, but, where exactly is the fossil evidence pertaining to those "small changes"? Surely, if raptors evolved into turkeys, then there has to be fossil evidence showing the full intermediate steps from raptor to turkey.
But, all I seem to be hearing from evolution researchers is: "turkeys have similar bone structures to raptors, therefore, turkeys evolved from raptors". There's just not enough proof from the current fossil evidence to make such a conclusion.
TekkamanRain 3 years ago
There is a protein they say maches the T-Rex's to turkeys. It was in the news.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
you are hung up of the fact that "there has to be fossil evidence showing the full intermediate steps from raptor to turkey." most animals we know of don't show intermediate steps, and you have to realize that fossils are pretty hard to find, especially ones that are intact. evolution doesn't happen in steps, it is a slow process.
aviloud 3 years ago
You previously said, that evolution "is not an instant change", but now you're saying that "evolution doesn't happen in steps"? Which is it exactly, as you seem to have become confused.
Without conclusive proof from the fossil records, evolution researchers don't have any evidence of raptor evolution - just baseless theories, and their research should be treated as such.
TekkamanRain 3 years ago
its doesnt happen in steps, there arent steps to evolving. it is a very very slow process. you really are stuck on the fact that animals dont evolve like this. "i am a raptor, now i am a raptor with feathers, now i am a raptor without teeth, now i am a raptor with wings instead of arms etc." and there is an enormous fossil record to prove that raptors are ancient relatives of turkeys, as the tyrannosaurs is to the chicken.
aviloud 3 years ago
Ok, tell me this. If "there arent steps to evolving" (as you claimed), then do you believe, that at one point in time, velociraptor laid turkey eggs?
TekkamanRain 3 years ago
most dinosaurs laid eggs. and saying that a velocipraptor laid turkey eggs is the most retarded thing i've seen in a while. is evolution really that confusing to you? a velociraptor and a turkey aren't the same animal, so i dont even know why you asked that. birds some modern reptiles are the last remaining relatives of the dinosaurs, so there are missing links to be found. and keep in mind this is a 65 mil. year gap, you can't simply put transitional animals in between and call it evolution.
aviloud 3 years ago
Anyways, dude, you do have a cool YouTube page, I'll give you that. Congrats on all the subscriptions this week, Halo is pretty cool.
TekkamanRain 3 years ago
and way to throw in the red herring there.
aviloud 3 years ago
So, now you're claiming that they are "missing links to be found", while you previously disregarded the fact that evolution doesn't occur in steps. I'm finished talking, as you've successfully destroyed your own argument.
And yeah, evolution is pretty confusing, as it doesn't make that much sense to me.
"and way to throw in the red herring there. "
You're welcome? Or would you rather I say, your site sucks, F-you? You're a sad, pathetic little man.
TekkamanRain 3 years ago
Hmm... Evolution must work if you go from velociraptor to 65 million years later to a turkey. The dumest animal on earth. ( They are so dumb they drown in the rain but thats evolution for ya.)
Oh wait, it is confusing and doesn't make much sense to me ether.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
if we think about the way humans evolved it makes scene that evolution is flawed i mean look at what humans do: genocide, war, enslavement based on color of skin. makes about as much scene if you think about it.
shawnchuwpy2 3 years ago
Are humans surviving better off then the monkeys we evolved from?
Judge for yourself...
pieceofparadox 3 years ago
Anyway the drowning thing was a joke sorry you didnt get it.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
It's all about survival, and the turkeys are fairing better than dinosaurs...
pieceofparadox 3 years ago
and no, turkeys don't drown by looking in the rain, it's a proven myth.
And if they did, that would actually make them smart, because fascination requires intelligence.
And don't compare domesticated turkeys bred by humans and wild turkeys that are stronger, faster, smarter and less panicking in scary situations.
If you're going to criticize something, criticize something you researched about.
pieceofparadox 3 years ago
Reseached? I know wild turkeys, I see them all the time. Maybe they dont drown but they do get in the same trap set out the same way over and over agin. They spend hours running after a small bug that can have enough food value to justify that much running. Hunting them all you got to do is be where they want to go becuase they are not going to stop till they get to that spot. So I think I have researched them in the wild.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
haha the curator looks like Steve Martin! lolz
avideoproject 3 years ago
that's a joke...
guest58 3 years ago
diNOSAURS ?
kekec100 3 years ago
i tot the title was some kind of joke
columbustheslayer 3 years ago
Same Characteristics = Same Creator
Raptor356 3 years ago
which creator? how are you so sure? what about other peoples' creator? do you have evidence?
SpeciationEverywhere 3 years ago
theres only one creator, if u were not created you would not exist... unless you know another way to create without creating, evidence is existance
Raptor356 3 years ago
Or maybe we were created by a way our little minds cant even begin to understand. According to your logic who created the creator?
Sethok103 3 years ago
Evolution: "alright, it think that you being a small helpless bird is way better then what you are now"
Dinosaur:"wait, what!?!?!"
aznflatland 3 years ago
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Oh boy, where to begin? Evolution is for idiots.
V1RU5ex3 3 years ago
bahahaha......you fucking dumbass.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
Once a ruler of the earth, becomes a meal for the world today LOL!!!
windslasherx 3 years ago
Untill there brothers and sisters return from traveling space to find mamals have evolved and started eating there family and humans go to war :/
ste4test 3 years ago
theyre so delicious
tall1992 3 years ago
i thought dinosaurs were closely related to chickens not turkeys or at least that was what i was told
SHRELL623 3 years ago
*Waits for the hardcore evangelist comments to come*
Esplender 3 years ago
"GOD DID IT!!!!"
LMAO!!!!
axemurderer27 3 years ago
mmmm I love the taste of turkeysaurus rex
tyranus226 3 years ago 2
im going dino in april
21cglock 3 years ago
turkey in the straw...
scorpius319 3 years ago
man i love dinos for dinner
oViRiLe 3 years ago
I like my dino thinly sliced with mayo and swiss cheese.
aznflayva 3 years ago
man, turkeys are stupid
ArtisianRadio 3 years ago
you are stupid,fuck you
ozgul3507 3 years ago
you'll get over it someday ;)
ArtisianRadio 3 years ago
lol why did dinosaurs opt to become tiny pussies? idk
Daritto7117 3 years ago
cuz all the big ass ones died out lol
fiendin281 3 years ago
Talk about downsizing!Does this mean Barney is a Turkey in disguise?:P
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evolution isn't true.
crazyaboutsquirrels 3 years ago
So where did your squirrels come from? Walmart?
anmoose 3 years ago 3
K Mart :P
Bobofet241 3 years ago
anmoose: Squirrels were created by God. Thanks for asking and their super cute! =)
crazyaboutsquirrels 3 years ago
I think they come with 2 cases of mange free.
isegoria1 3 years ago
Obviously you need an education.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
spicychickenwing31: Me believing in God does not make me uneducated. Just because someone doesn't believe in evolution but rather believes in God doesn't make them dumb.
crazyaboutsquirrels 3 years ago
I never made the claim that all people who believe in god are uneducated. I just implied that you know very little about evolution to say it is false.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
spicychickenwing31: I said that becuase most people who don't believe in evolution are believers in a god. And I do know a 'lil bit 'bout evolution. Like that there's no fossils that prove it. =)
crazyaboutsquirrels 3 years ago
I have two friends who are both biology majors that accept evolution and believe in god. The reason why there are no fossils to prove it to you is because whenever you're presented with some and a description along with them, you deny it.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
k, but I've never been presented with fosssils and a description and denied it. I am not subjected to believe what people present to me though. I do like science, just don't believe in evolution.
crazyaboutsquirrels 3 years ago
Odviously your the dumbass.... I never said anything about evolution is false now did I. All I was saying was Dino to Turkey would be devolution, would it not? Dino top of the food chain too, turkey bottem of the food chain.
biblethumper098 3 years ago
I wasn't talking to you. Now, leave me alone you little troll. I have to study for my midterms.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
Well dont say dumbass above my name then, and the only troll here is you. Flunky!
biblethumper098 3 years ago
I still can't find the reply where I called you a dumbass. If I did, then I apologize since it might have been a mistake (meant to reply to someone else), but you have to understand, evolution sometimes doesn't favor going from the bottom to the top of the food chain.
spicychickenwing31 3 years ago
Dinosaurs lost their claim to the world after the meteorite crash. Birds are the surviving branch, so its not devolution, it's a change in reign. Birds, in general, are more evolved than their dinosaur ancestors in the refinement and effectiveness of their flying body structures. Except turkey and chicken, but then again by being useful to the dominant species (us), they have ensured massive numbers. Ever guessed how many chicken is alive right now?
Voydr 2 years ago
If it wasn't for our intelligence we wouldn't be alive today, we would be primitive beings struggling to stay alive, the fact we discovered how to control and make fire saved our species as a whole. So we are not really meant to be dominant are we?
DrRevolutions 2 years ago
we should eatin turkey then
littleviet18 3 years ago
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singinizmahlife26 3 years ago
LOL...gobble
aucifiel 3 years ago 2
creepy
kathleenvh 3 years ago
Lol, no way.
biologyprodigy 3 years ago
hmm no wonder we get all tired from eatting turkey... it's old meat...
SDJ37 3 years ago 4
KaDoosh!
drainoftheage369 3 years ago
Since many dinosaurs had feathers and pretty much the same bone structure as birds, it can be argued that birds don't come FROM dinosaurs, but they ARE a type of dinosaur. Really, compare a velociraptor skeleton (not the Jurassic Park one, the real chicken-sized feathery one) with a turkey.
Flyborg 3 years ago 2
"Next year at Thanksgiving dinner, imagine you're eating a dinosaur. You won't be far from the truth."
No, but you will be far from your ass from all the dope you just smoked to think that.
BinkieMcFartnuggets 3 years ago
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agreed. They think about evolution too much.
animeultrafan 3 years ago
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read the bible and you will know the answer.
aznlilboiz 3 years ago
gaah oh no not this
airsofttanker 3 years ago
Disgusting.
ThinkingLeft 3 years ago
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if i see this kind of bullshit.....i wont watch NG channel anymore.
UChainT 3 years ago
"if i see this kind of bullshit.....i wont watch NG channel anymore."
Who cares , you retarded religious zombie.
IC1101 3 years ago 12
"Gee, science science has irrefutable proof of any given fact but I'd rather blindly believe in theories with absolutely no proof of any sort and which are based on all sorts of silly and often conflicting fairy tales."
Is that the long and the short of it?
arachniabat 3 years ago 3
well, at least there's people finding out new infomation we don't know. i wonder which one is the bullshit now. if you think that this is bullshit, then shouldn't all museums be full of bullshit too? i bet there are more fossils to prove evolution than churches.
ineedtothink 3 years ago 4
"i wont watch NG channel anymore."
Do you need help finding the Unsubscribe button?
anmoose 3 years ago 2
Gobble gobble
Xmokko 3 years ago 5
When I was around 10 years old or so.. one of my biggest dream was to see a living dinosour.. and a couple of years ago I saw a documentary about this. This is really amazing stuff but my dream is still to see a "real" dinosour.
catha86 3 years ago 3
itd be awesome if humans were descendents of dinosaurs
airsofttanker 3 years ago 3
The evolutionary branch we came off of was much earlier than the dinosaurs. We came from a line called the Synapsids, and our ancestor is Dimetrodon.
cerebulon 3 years ago 2
FIRST WOW I R EAT DINOSAUR
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pop1290 3 years ago
Fuck off.
wolfy18 3 years ago
wolfy18 lol.
AWAKENxEXMORTIS 3 years ago