@KingKaio Yes he even did experiments to disprove a belief by many who claimed the different races were actually a different and lesser species to Caucasians. Darwin, disgusted at this, proved otherwise but you won't hear Creotards shouting that from the roof tops. He also abhorred slavery and had a massive fall out with staunchly Christian Captain Fitzroy on this matter.
Spiritual laws are just as real as physical laws. You don't dare disobey the laws of gravity, electricity, inertia, or heat, .You may very well find out disobeying spiritual laws are the same. The pain comes later than the pain of disobedience of laws of physics. Darwin was a theologian, (19th century Quack) not a scientist of any kind.
There is no such thing as a physical law. What laymen refer to as "laws" scientists refer to as "theories". That's right, science considers gravity a theory. There is a ton of evidence suggesting its correctness (e.g. we don't go flying off the earth as it spins), but it is not proven beyond all possible doubt.
This is the essence of science, and it is this that Christians don't understand. In fact, the theory of gravity has changed at least a half dozen times in 400 years.
@MrDonny134 Except for all the laws you have just described have almost INSTANT rammifications. You have to wait to die to see the negative consiquences on a spiritual level.
The basis for Darwin evolution is the "Simple" cell from which all life evolved. There is no such thing as a simple cell and all the cells mechanisms (trillions) must be in place in order and non reducible in order for the cell to operate.;end of lesson. Now who is "stupid?" Get right with Yahweh or get ready to deal with Satan.
@MrDonny134 You literally just made half of that up. Irreducibility is a theory that has been disproven several times, and you have it in your definition as necessary? No wonder you reject evolution, you don't understand it.
KIrk Cameron is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong, ignorant & misleading it is. The good news is that the vast majority of people think he's a complete ass.
WOW! has anyone seen the new controversial documentary out called 180? Just type in 180 in the search bar, it already has almost 1.5 million views and it hasn't been out that long. i think its still the third one down or you can go to 180movie.com
@The1234ma - Well then, we fall back on gods forgiveness.
IE - god knows our hearts. Knowing WHY we thought the way we did/do and there by understanding the conclusions that we did come to. After all, "he" snapped "his" "fingers" and the universe came into being.
At that moment, knowing all that would happen to the very end of "time". And, since all causality is "his" and "he" is perfect.
All will be "forgiven." Actually, it would be a non-issue.
@YTBruler1 No the only problem is that close-minded fucktards like you get to comment without any real understanding of the arguments or any thing that actually furthers the discussion >.< Unfortunately the plurality of christians that I know, those being family members and friends, always fall back to the position of you're wrong and going to hell because of it, while I and others like me try to reason with them and get them to come out from the rock they live under, I am a black sheep BAH BAH
The problem with trying to reason with the religious is, as a wise man once said, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I personally ahve nothing agaisnt anyone believing any old rubbish. the problems arise when they expect us to believe it or follow their rules or want special treatment because of them.
@realist81UK Well said, I have always believed that freedom of religion also implies freedom FROM religion. In fact I have been using that line of reasoning for some time. I have no problem with people having faith, I believe that the universe itself is whats holy (read life) but when others try to impose their beliefs upon me or anyone else, that's when I develop a "problem" with the whole thing. If they would leave well enough alone everything would be fine. But proselytizing is in the blood.
I like your idea of giving information but it's a little too bias for my liking. Your not getting listeners of the opposite side to listen. You just turn them off by your overloading emotion. I would like to hear arguements against Darwin. Just not the fact that he's a racist.
@jrsampson2000 from my previous comments you should've know what kind of religious person i am... you should've know my way of thinking at this moment... and im not alone...
@retrogamerist sorry... but i dont get it... can you explain to me why you talking bout spanish inquisition in first place? as far as i know spanish inquisition is notorious with their harsh policies n that is not what im trying to present...
@jrsampson2000 that is what im trying to say... i want to tell to other religious person that religion is something personal that cannot be force... religion never cause suffering to one soul... im pretty sure that all religion today has been corrupted n changed from its original purpose...
@jrsampson2000 we all will never know why but one thing for sure, i respect jesus n all of his teaching... all argument bout jesus miracles is pointless... you can ask the question but the answers is within our own self...
@jrsampson2000 well i assume you an atheist then... if i debate with you i surely will speechless because religion will never be proven scientifically but faith cant be separated from mankind...
@jrsampson2000 im a religious person but i will not let religion corrupt my scientific thinking... if something in bible contradict with current science then i will reject it...
whats a big deal... evolution is still a theory... the original theory of evolution from darwin is suck... the scientist find it ridiculous and they decided to corrected the darwins theory into the evolution we know today...
@ImperialEarthEmpire Evolution is a fact. You should look up what theory means in science, and you should look up evolution. Look it up in wiki, in the article about evolution there's also a chapter called *fact of evolution*
@winterstellar i believe in evolution as our evolution from tiny cell is the prove of it... i just dont like the original theory stated by darwin... the evolution we know today differ greatly from that of darwin... and i also believe in god...
@winterstellar that is what im trying to say to those religious freak... they cant take everything in the bible literally... when god said he create the universe in six days doesn't mean it exactly six days it could've been six million years...
All religious zealots have some kind of serious mental problem. For one they are all delusional and very self conscious. People who look to religion to solve all of their own short comings in this life and the next.
I once saw a video where Kirk Cameron got bitch-slapped and spat upon be a transexual sissy over in London. He was harrasing him/her/ it and this person returned the favor.
Why do Atheist try to use scientific talk? Just makes them sound less intelligent than they are.
I'll sum up God in a few words. Taken form the bible. God is Love. If you know God you know love. (This not word for word, but this is simplified that any person of any educational background can understand.)
@cachemachine but how do you know that your god exist? how do you know that your god is the correct god? also how do you know that the bible is the word of your correct god? hmmmm . you follow blind faith. which faith is believeing in something that you dont have evidence on. which is like me saying i believe in unicorns if you dont know unicorns you dont know love. because i have faith in the unicorns
@lilkush909 I was suppose to die a year ago form a massive stroke. Even the doctors said best just take me off life support and let me die. My wife said NO!!! She prayed non stop for 7 hours. In that 7th hour when she told them to take me off the machine, I regained conciseness. The Doctors said it was impossible. I was dead. Boy what idiots they turned out to be.
Now I'm alive with NO brain damage. Explain that? I can God! Science said I was dead. God said he wasn't done with me.
@cachemachine that had nothing to do with god im tired of christians/ muslims using stories like that to prove that god exist. that doesnt prove anything. it just shows that you believe it was god, and that didnt answer the question that i asked all you guys do is walk in circles and not answer the questions.
@lilkush909 My answer is this. I'm here, alive. That is how I know He lives or exist.
I don't need proof life and the miracle of life is more than enough for me. Love exist, nobody can explain where it came from. You can't produce it from any math or scientific problem. but you believe in it and you feel it.
Reason why people share these testimonies with you, because we are happy what God has done for us and We love to share it. If you won the lottery wouldn't you love to tell to others?
@lilkush909 I just know in my heart God is real. I don't need any farther evidence. I wish I could tell you the answer you want to hear. I told you MY answer. You are seeking a materialistic worldly answer, which causing you frustration and confusion. That is the way of the world. The way of the cross is less stressful and confusing. If God does not exist, what do I as a Christian have to loose? Nothing.
If you are wrong, and God is real, what do your risk loosing?
@lilkush909 There are more than 250 specific detailed prophecies given in the old Testament about the coming of the messiah. hundreds were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The probability of even 8 of those prophecies coming to pass as predicted is extremely improbably, and yet, they did. The probability of a single cell by random chance (1 x 10^40000), infinitely beyond possibility; and it didn't happen. yet you'll believe this fairy tale (evolution) instead of what is known to be true (Jesus)
@shopper292 jesus is not 100 percent true yes he lived and was a all about ''peace'' and ''love'' and it isnt random chance please do not use the same lame arguments as creationist do. Also if you are getting your facts abt jesus from your bible let me tell youomething. what are the chances of your belief being true instead of a mormon or a muslim
@lilkush909 what are the chances of what i believe being true instead of those of mormons or muslims? 100%! Jesus was about a lot more than peace and love. The message of the Bible is anything but tolerant. It is Jesus as the way, or nothing! Heaven or hell! One way to heaven, all other ways to hell. That message of peace and love was directed to those who open their hearts and accept the forgiveness of God through the sacrificial blood Jesus shed. The is no other way to be forgiven...
@lilkush909 that's what all religions say. all religions are predicated on the idea that man can do enough good things to overcome whatever bad we have done. "Just be good enough, and you'll get to heaven", they claim. Being good enough as a Muslim would mean cutting the head off infidels. Hmmm. Not exactly the same as what being good means to others. The difference between them all is that the Bible tell us we can never be good enough to make us right with God; never!
@lilkush909 the bible tells us we are sinners, and that sin has separated us from God. What's more, God being just means that He will execute judgment against us because of those sins. The sins must be paid for! God i His justice will hold people accountable for their sins. But God is also love, and out of His love for us He took upon Himself the penalty of and payment for our sins. The shed blood of the Messiah, Jesus, paid for our sins. All we have to do is accept what God has done.
@shopper292 "But God is also love, and out of His love for us He took upon Himself the penalty of and payment for our sins"
So you consider it morally correct to punish one person for the wrongdoings of others? You consider it morally correct that the crimes of the father carry over to the son?
If that's the case, then you really and truelly are morally bankrupt. There is no place in the civilised world for people like you.
@ScientificBob we are all judged for our own sins, not the sins of others. As for the fact that Messiah took upon Himself our sins, He did that as an act of love and of His own will. He was the only One righteous, and could thus do that. And, if He did not do that, nobody would ever go to heaven because we would all be condemned for our sins. The mercy and grace of God enables sinners like me to be forgiven for my sins, because someone paid the penalty due me for my sins.
@ScientificBob In the scenario you gave me, one of those two sought forgiveness for all the things he'd done wrong; the other sought no forgiveness at all, thinking he had done enough to earn his way into heaven. Nobody earns their way into heaven just like the guy in the discovery show i mentioned was held accountable for that act he did even though the rest of his life was exemplary. And you would have been cheering for him to be punished, despite the rest of his life
@ScientificBob so stop with the red herrings. God will execute justice against all those who have sinned and rejected His free gift of forgiveness. All those that think themselves to be their own gods, and that they can dictate the terms of heaven to God, will learn that only God is God. He has set the requirements for forgiveness & heaven, and judgment & hell. Everyone will face one or the other. And it will be solely on what you do with what He did for you!
@shopper292 Do all the people you love and care for share your faith? Suppose an unbelieving son or daughter were to die, will their unending torture in a literal hell in any way affect your eternal bliss in heaven? Do you plan to worship and praise the being who is burning your children? Will you see that as a perfect execution of justice and love? Have you told your loved ones that you will sing praise to God as he tortures them if they should ever disbelieve?
@TheMortalhuman no, they don't. In fact, being Jewish, most of my family are not believer's in Messiah. And yes, if they continue to believe as they do, they will die in their sin, and spend an eternity in a very literal hell. And it weighs very heavily on me. As to the past part of your question, it is my belief that God erases our memory when we get to heaven. Scripture does seem to indicate that, and short of that, heaven would not be bliss knowing your loved ones were in hell
@shopper292 Thanks for your honesty. Personally, I would consider the eternal torture of people I love as something that would not just weigh heavily upon me, but would crush me to the point where I may as well be in hell with them. There is no way I could ever be happy, and knowing that that situation would never change. I don't know how I could worship their torturer. I can understand that it would be more humane to wipe the memories of all those in heaven.
Respond to this video... The main part of my question is if you consider the eternal torture and burning of your parents,wife and children as an example of perfect justice and love because they didn't recognise Jesus as their saviour? Do you agree that your parents are worshiping God the way they think they are supposed to, and do you think it is right that they be brutally harmed for all eternity because they chose to keep worshiping God the way they were taught was right?
@TheMortalhuman Is it wrong for a person to spend their entire life in prison for one indiscretion? That is what happens friend; that is justice in action. How much more will a Righteous, Just God execute judgment against lifetimes of indiscretions by all of us? The Bible tells us that all our righteousness is as filthy rags. We have nothing of ourselves we can offer God to cover for a lifetime of sins. And true justice demands that those sins be punished! That punishment will either be..
@shopper292 Both your parents and you are worshiping god the way they think is right, with humility, reverence and piety. Do you think a pure, loving and all knowing God would not understand this? Do you think an all-knowing and perfectly just god would look at your parents and condemn them to eternal hideous torture anyway, even though he knew they thought they were doing his will all along. Do you think it is right that if they die with the beliefs they have, that it is right they burn?
@TheMortalhuman My friend, the folks that flew the planes into the towers thought they were worshipping God with humility, reverence, and piety. Sincerity of belief does not make s things right. Actually, sincerity of belief has led to some of the most horrific crimes in all of history. The Bible is not a tolerant book. It tells us that there is one way and only one way to be forgiven for our sins, and that way was accomplished by an innocent substitute; the only One who could..
@TheMortalhuman God, because He is just, will hold everyone accountable for the sins they have committed. But God in His love made a way for us to escape His judgment for our sins, by taking them upon Himself, to pay the penalty for them that is actually due to us. He has done everything necessary to provide full forgiveness for us. If we insist on rejecting what He has done, we are rejecting the greatest sacrifice ever made, by the only One that never had to make it. And it was all for us
@shopper292 And sincere christian believers have committed their fair share of atrocities in the name of their beliefs too. I agree that sincerity does not make things right, and has led to horrific crimes. You will probably say that the believers who did horrible things in the name of christianity were not "true" christians. The same could be said of moslems or hindu's or any believers who have to explain why some of their number do horrible things.
@shopper292 The fact is most believers manage to live moral, law abiding lives. I would argue that they do so despite their religion rather than because of it. Nevertheless although many could find verses in their scriptures to justify any number of violent immoral behaviours, the vast majority do not. The vast majority worship their gods simply and with tolerance for others, focusing on those passages of their scriptures which support moral, rather than immoral behaviour. These are the..
@TheMortalhuman then we will face a certain reality of a very literal hell as punishment for a lifetime of sins. God won't condemn us because we reject His forgiveness. If we are condemned, it will be because of our sins. And that is what we deserve. And yet, God provided a way of escape, and with it, an eternity of absolute bliss. That way is the blood Jesus Christ shed on that cross, for us. There is no other way to be forgiven, no other way to avoid the judgment of God
Respond to this video... that I think a real all-knowing and all-compassionate god should be able to understand. I can see they are worshiping the way they think is right. I hope you can see that they are worshiping the way they think is right too. How could it be that a real god who is supposedly able to see into the hearts of people would not understand that these people are worshiping their god in the way that they were taught, and are convinced is correct, could not understand that?
@TheMortalhuman The problem your analogy runs up against is truth. You speak from a viewpoint of tolerance. The Biblical message is one that is very intolerant. It tells us there is one way and only one way to be forgiven our sins and receive the promise of heaven. Further, it tells us that all people are sinners, and all of us are under the wrath of God. Short of an act of God, none of us would be able to be forgiven for our sins. But by His act, we can.
@TheMortalhuman You're under the impression that if people are sincere and good, they'll be okay with God. They won't. The Bible tell us that no one is good except God alone. It furthers tells us that all of us are sinners, and that the wages due our sins is death (eternal separation from God). So that is what is due all of us; every single person that has ever lived beyond an age of accountability. And yet, God, in His mercy and His love, offered to take upon Himself all of the sins of...
@TheMortalhuman all of humanity, for all of history. The perfect, sinless, holy God, took upon Himself all the murders, rapes, hate, violence, greed, deceit, all of the sins from the beginning to the end; took them upon Himself and nailed them to a cross. By that act He has paid for each of our sins, and He offers that free gift to every one of us. If we reject that offer; if we tell Him we'll do it our own way, then we remained covered in our sins, and facing His judgment for them.
@shopper292 You are perfectly accurate in your summary of christan dogma. I do not argue that "if people are sincere and good, they'll be okay with God". I am arguing that a real, all-knowing, and loving god could not condemn people because they happen to believe that he is accurately described in a book other than the bible. Of god values belief above all moral behaviour he would have to understand that almost all people get their beliefs from their parents early in life, and stick with them..
@TheMortalhuman He will not be condemning them because they failed to believe in the Biblical description of Him. He will condemn them because of their sins. You are back to the courtroom argument that if someone is good enough or sincere enough, it should outweigh whatever they have done wrong. That's not justice. The person that commits murder is condemned in a court of law for what he did wrong, irregardless of whatever he has done right besides that. Justice requires punishment.
@shopper292 I think you are completely misunderstanding what I am arguing. I am not arguing that if people are good they should go to heaven. I completely understand your (christian) position that God requires people to accept the sacrifice of his son Jesus as atonement for sins which we cannot remove ourselves. The problem that I am at pains to point out to you is that believers in other religions also have the same sorts of beliefs. They too submit to their god's requirements...
@TheMortalhuman and what you are not understanding is that what anyone believes is absolutely irrelevant, unless it's true! So we get to the crux of the matter. If the Bible is true, then so is its intolerant message that only through Jesus Christ will one find forgiveness. If it's not true, then you could select from any other religious system, because they are all predicated on pretty much the same thing with one another; just do enough, and you'll be okay with God.
@shopper292 ..believing that they are as filthy rags. They do the exact things that christians do. What I would like you to consider is that a real god would know that these people, if they happened to have been born in your country instead of iran, or india, or bhutan, would in all likelihood be worshipping a christian god, and according to you, be saved, whereas because they were born elsewhere, and worship a different god, they will burn. I have to wonder how an all knowing, moral god...
@shopper292 .. could punish a person according to circumstances that only he could be accountable for, namely the time and place a person is born.
Remember, the overwhelmingly dominant factor in determining a person's beliefs are the beliefs of their parents, and the overwhelming probability is that those beliefs are geographically determined. A real god would have to know this. If he causes a child to be born in Iran with moslem parents, will he then blame that child for becoming a moslem..
@TheMortalhuman Scripture is clear in that every person who desires to know God and His will, can know God and His will ("you will seek Me and you will fine Me when you search for Me with all your heart").. The problem friend, is that none of us really want to know God ad His will. Our sins blind us to Him, and instead, incline us to what is comfortable to us. If I had died before accepting Messiah, I would stand just as condemned as does anyone else that dies without accepting Him. Why?...
@TheMortalhuman God replaces that sin-filled, sinful nature in us with a nature that is not sin-filled. Instead of satisfying the lusts of our own flesh, we desire to share with the world the love of God they so desperately need to know. He transforms us and our nature to one whose heart of stone is replaced (figuratively) with a heart of flesh. No true follower of Messiah could perpetrate murder. It would run completely opposite to what God leads us to do; to share the good news with them
@shopper292 ..as an adult? When that adult dies, having spent a lifetime worshiping in the way he thought was right, defending his beliefs against rival religions, humbly accepting that it is not by his own good deeds that he is saved, but by the mercy and love and sacrifice of his god, will your god then say to him, "I'm not that god, I'm this god, now burn!"
I know you think that you think everyone should burn for their sins, but it is the claim that you can avoid this if you just reject ..
@TheMortalhuman because all of us are covered in lifetimes of sin. Every single one of us. There are none righteous; there are none that do good; all of us are sinners. All of us are deserving of the judgment of God. And none of us will see His salvation, nor seek His salvation, apart from a literal act of God in our hearts. The reason we won't, is because we are all sinful, sin-filled creatures, who's sole focus in life is to satisfy the lusts of our flesh. When we accept Messiah, ...
@TheMortalhuman and what is that good news? That "God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him." (John 3:16-17) That is the message of Scripture friend. That the God who created you loves you, and did everything possible to forgive you your sins, and receive the promise of eternal life
@shopper292 ..all the religious teachings they've has since they were a child. Reject all the beliefs they have about god, turn their back on every moment they've felt their god's presence in their lives, throw away what they consider the bedrock of their morality, because you say all that is obviously false teaching.
@shopper292 for the remainder of their lives. A real all knowing god would completely understand that a person's beliefs almost entirely depend on the geographical location of their birth, and not upon careful consideration and intense study of all the different religiouns. A real god would know that we as humans have no way of differentiating between the validity of one religion as compared to another, because they all make similar claims, threats, promises and prophesies...
@shopper292 ..and they all produce in their believers feelings of wonder and awe, and of inner oneness with their god or gods. A real god would know all these things, and yet you claim that your god, the only god that could possibly be true, will torture people forever if they believe in an alternative description of him.
@TheMortalhuman as for the situation you postulated about a God with turban, again, it's an irrelevant argument, because it's not true. The God if the Bible is God. He came to earth wrapped in human flesh, lived a perfect life, and offered up that perfect life so that you, me, and everyone that has ever lived can avoid the very punishment you refer to! If we reject what He did for us to accomplish forgiveness for us, then all that is left for us is punishment for our sins. And that He will do
@shopper292 It's a hypothetical argument shopper, I know you don't think it is true. I'm trying to have you see things from another point of view. All adults should be able to do that. I wan't you to imagine what it would be like to face judgement with the realisation that you were wrong about god. I want you to consider what it would be like to have lived a life doing all the things that you considered your god wanted you to do, only to discover that your idea of god was incorrect...
@shopper292 I want you then to consider how moral and just it is to torture people forever for making this kind of simple and honest mistake, of which they had no possible way of knowing they were making, with the result that their sins are not washed clean, and therefore they must burn. It may be too much for me to ask that you see this perspective. You have no trouble imagining other people are wrong, and accepting that their punishment is just. What if it were you? Should you burn?
@TheMortalhuman but friend, the problem with your discussion points is that the Bible absolutely is true; it is what it claims to be, (the word of God), and it does what it was created to be (reveal God to us, and His will for us). Because it is what it is, there are no other options. Personal opinions don't matter in the light of truth. All that matters is what is true. Since Scripture is true, then the issue becomes, what is God's position on this issue. His position? Jesus Christ!
@shopper292 For goodness sake, I know you believe the bible is true. You are twisting and turning away from the question I have asked you. I want you to put yourself in the position of someone else. I want you to imagine that it is you who was facing a god who is different to the one you expected. I want you to tell me if you think it is right and just for God to burn people who thought they were worshiping the right god, but weren't. I don't give a fig what the details of your beliefs...
@shopper292 .. are, or of the circular reasoning you use to justify them. I know exactly how intolerant all monotheistic religions are, especially christianity. I know how intolerant you are. I want to know if you think it is perfect justice for people who have worshiped the wrong god, earnestly but mistakenly,morally but in error, to burn for ever and ever. I would like for you to tell me that of it were you who had been worshiping the wrong god, and the real god sent you to burn...
@shopper292 .. would you see that as perfect justice, and accept his wisdom?
You would rather talk about anything else than face this question. Your reluctance to answer directly indicates that you are embarrassed by intolerant injustice of your beliefs, because you know these beliefs are fundamentally immoral, barbaric, and obscene.
@shopper292 If it is just too hard for you to imagine yourself as being wrong, consider your Jewish relatives, who you "know" will burn. Some may already have died and are burning right now. Imagine being there when God looks at your mother and says "away from me" and casts her into the lake of fire. At that moment, what will you do? Will you avert your eyes and pretend you don't know her? Will you look into her eyes and say "I'ts your fault mother, you rejected christ's loving sacrifice!"..
@shopper292 Will you dance for joy at the implementation of God's perfect and exemplary justice? As she screams will you sing loud praises to God to drown her out? Will you try very hard to make sure you feel no injustice has been done, knowing that god can read your rebellious thoughts? You will have to have some reaction to all these events. You claim that these things are surely going to happen, and because your family are jewish, that you will have to witness their brutal torture.
@shopper292 Sorry about the awkward sentence structure there. I re-wrote it a number of times and didn't fix it properly. The main argument I want to make is that believing in a different god is not a rebellion or defiance of your god, and I don't know why a real god would view it that way. You point out that your God offers redemption and safe passage to the afterlife which all sounds nice, but other religions offer those things too and the people who believe those claims are not ....
@TheMortalhuman again i want to get back to sincerity and what value it has. The people that flew the planes in the towers in 9-11 were very sincere, and were absolutely believing that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do. They couldn't have been more wrong, and they now fully know that. But the point it, sincerity and belief only matter if what you believe is true. If it isn't true, then all the sincerity and belief in something in the world mean nothing!
@shopper292 And of course sincere believing christians have slaughtered also, believing that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do. From the crusades to witch burning, and all the pogroms of the Old testament.
Imagine if it were you that believed in an untrue god. Imagine you die, and God is wearing a turban. Do you deserve to die because you didn't believe in Allah and his prophet Mohammed? Is your crime so unspeakable that of course the only just thing to do is to burn forever?
@shopper292 ..thumbing their nose or shaking their fist at your god. They are doing exactly what they think "God" wants them to do. What I would hope you understand is that Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, and all other believers feel the same way about their gods as you do about yours. You have not sinned for not believing their claims and they have not sinned for not not believing your claims. Even in the unlikely event that some believer was right about their claims, a real god would know that.
@TheMortalhuman but in answering a question posed by my kinsmen trying to trap Him, Jesus clearly conveyed that in heaven we won't be married as we were here; but rather, we shall be brothers and sisters in Messiah, and like the angels. In addition, God tells us that when He forgives us our sins, He remembers them no more. It's just my personal opinion, but since heaven is a place of absolute bliss, and no sorrow, it is my belief that those in heaven will simply not know of those in hell.
@shopper292 I am not trying to trap you, but to make a value judgement about the morality of eternal torture based on private belief or non belief. You know and love your family, and I think you may probably understand why they don't believe the things you do. They believe other things which you do not. Are people evil and deserving of punishment for believing one thing instead of another. Are you evil for not accepting the tenets of islam or hinduism?
@TheMortalhuman Neither islam nor hinduism is true, and neither will lead one to God. For that matter, no other system of good deeds vs bad will lead you there either. Our efforts can never appease God to avert the judgment due us, just as no murderer could walk into court and demand to be let ff because he/she did more good things in their life than bad things. My family doesn't believe for the same reason i didn't; our sins blind us to what is true.
@TheMortalhuman If you walk into court guilty of a serious crime, and the Judge offers to forgive you for that crime based on terms he gives, and you reject his offer, then you will be condemned for that crime. Belief only matters if it is accord with what is true. Neither islam nor hinduism are, nor is any other system of "good deeds appeasing God." We stand condemned as sinners, and our ability to be forgiven what id due us is solely in the atoning sacrifice Jesus made on the cross
@shopper292 Using your analogy, what I would like you to consider is that believers in other religions than yours do think that they are humbly accepting the offer the judge has prepared for them. It's just that their judge is not the one you are accepting your offer from. What we have is a courthouse with many courtrooms, all with different Judges offering different terms to the people being tried. You are in one of those courtrooms claiming that only your courtroom is the legitimate one.
@TheMortalhuman us suffering the punishment for our sins, or God suffering the punishment for our sins. If we reject what He did for us, it will be us. If we accept what He did for us, we are undeservedly forgiven for our sins. Not only are we forgiven, we are promised an eternity in absolute bliss. Neither of these did we earn, or deserve. They were accomplished solely by Him, for us, as a free gift to us, out of His love for us. And if we continue to reject His offer to forgive...
@shopper292 "The shed blood of the Messiah, Jesus, paid for our sins. All we have to do is accept what God has done"
So if Hitler accepted this "gift" right before he was blown up in his bunker underneath Berlin, he's now feasting in heaven? While Bill Gates, who has donated almost more money to charity then the rest of the world combined, who doesn't accept this "gift" will end up in hell being tortured forever?
@ScientificBob He didn't, But i do know of a nazi colonel who was responsible for the deaths of many who did accept God's forgiveness in Messiah after WW2. Is he in heaven now? If that act was sincere, absolutely! And if Bill Gates, who likewise is a sinner and who, like us all, has committed a lifetime of sins, rejects the forgiveness God's offers Him for his sins, then yes, he absolutely will face the wrath of God and eternity in a literal hell.
@lilkush909 every person will face God, either as their savior, or as their judge. Every one. Most will face the wrath of God, because they will stand condemned for their sins, with no way to pay for them. Their good deeds will have done nothing for them! But a few will stand before Him forgiven of their sins, reconciled to God, and spending eternity in bliss beyond human description (heaven), all because they made a heartfelt acceptance of the atoning sacrifice Jesus made for them
@shopper292 The explanation you gave here is exactly the reason why I consider christian philosophy to be the most vile, inhuman, brutal, immoral, disgusting, asanine and the most sickening philosophy EVER to be introduced by and to human kind.
It amazes me that people would want to be part of it.
EVEN if I would believe it, I could NEVER EVER EVER subscribe to such immoral ways of life. EVER.
I'ld be a satanist for sure, who CLEARLY is the good guy in this mythology.
@ScientificBob So that you know, the time will come for you, (as it does for everyone else), when you will acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Whether it is as your Savior or as your Judge depends on whether you do that while you are here in this life, or not until you've breathed your last. Either way friend, is it what will be.
@ScientificBob satan is your hero? The one responsible for all the death and sin sin the world began about 6000 years ago? That one bob? Then you should love folks like hitller, mao, stalin, et al, because they were just carrying out the expression of satans desires for mankind (sin). You reject the One who gave His life to pay for yours solely out of love, hold your fist to Him and claim you will never "bow the knee" to Him, and can't understand why God's judgment on you is just. It is...
@mmmmmarcus what you think, as evidenced by what you believe, has no connection to what is true. I couldn't care less what you think of me. It won't make any difference in your life. But what you think of Jesus will make all difference in your life; now, and forever.
the woman that was not a virgin evidenced that she had adultery. she was engaged/married and that was the penalty for adultery. sin spreads so fast and with 2 million Jews then. the damage to a greater mass of individuals is in view.
then he mocks putting placing evolution with creation giving no support for his contention other than that it is "laughable" and the bible is not a book of laws. It is the will of God given to Israel in the OT and the world in the NT. The NT tells us that the laws purpose was only to show us how evil we are so that we would trust God to live in us and thru us. BTW the catholic church is a misreprentation of Christ, so in part i understand his outrage
@j919or "the catholic church is a misreprentation of Christ"
lol Another stupid fundie who think he/she "has it right" and the rest are doing it wrong...
What denomination are you? Why do you think your denomination "has it right"?
The reason there are thousands of denominations is because the bible is a cluster fuck of nonsense & any moron can interpret it to mean whatever they want it to.
@Zentz29 actually, apart from an act of God, no man can understand Scripture. The natural man cannot understand the things of God. They are foolishness to him, because they are spiritually discerned. But God is wiling to open the eyes of those whom He chooses, and allow some deserving of death to pass from death to life.
@shopper292 "But God is wiling to open the eyes of those whom He chooses"
Right. And OFF COURSE, you are one of those lucky few priviliged ones, right? And you are OFF COURSE a TRUE one, right? Not like all those other people from various religions (or a different denomination of the same religion) who also claim to have their eyes "opened" by their deity of choice, right? No... they are all lying or halucinating. Only YOU have it right.
@ScientificBob God has made the offer of forgiveness available to all. Most will respond just that way you are now. But God, in His great mercy, not only gave everything to forgive you, He also in His sovereign will opens the hearts and the eyes of some so that they will see it, understand it, and accept it. We are all so dead in our lusts that apart from a literal act of God, none of us would ever be able to see and receive this gift. Open your heart friend, while there is time...
@ScientificBob I have noting of my own accord. Apart from an act of God in my life, though His great mercy, I would be dead in my sins, and on my way to a certain, literal hell. That God opened my eyes to His truth says nothing about me or my abilities. I would have never understood apart from Him. Nor does anyone else. Lawbreaking has a tendency to do that; blind people to what is true. Jesus loves you friend, so much so that He gave His life for you. Open your heart, while there is time
@Zentz29 David Berkowicz, Jeffrey Dahmer, and even Ted Bundy, if the transformation in their hearts was/is sincere, will find forgiveness of their sins and eternal life with God. People whose hearts remain hardened such as yours is now will find themselves judged for their sins and facing the eternal wrath of God, all because they bent their knees to acknowledge Jesus as Lord after they breathed their last, instead of before. Open your eyes and your heart, friend...while there is time
@Zentz29 call it whatever you want, but what you will be calling it is "true." Why should you believe in the God of the Bible? Because He is God. There is no religion that will make you right with God. Religions are simply man's attempt to fill a God-void inside him with a system of works. There are no works that will ever make anyone right with God. We all have a sin problem, and that problem stands between us and God. Only the blood Jesus shed can eliminate that problem.
@shopper292 "Why should you believe in the God of the Bible? Because He is God." That's not a satisfactory answer and you know it. For example: 'why should I believe in your koran?' answer: "because Allah is god".
That doesn't sound very convincing now does it? So try again. Why should we believe you?
@Zentz29 as for another of your assertions, the main reason people fall away from the faith is begins with the issue of evolution. By and large the "Christian" community is not prepared to respond to the pseudo-science challenges evolution (and the evolutionary priesthood) confront them with. One of the reasons why AIG, ICR,and many like them are so important, because they are providing the info to believers needed to refute the pseudo science and pseudo scientists.
You can be the most vile, disgusting, evil man that has ever lived... you'll get to go feast in paradise if you are "saved".
While a perfectly friendly, moral, upstanding and kind atheists who believes it's all mumbo-jumbo and bullshit will get to be tortured forever?
Even if I would believe your silly mythology, I'ld never worship an evil dictator who treats his people in that way. That guy is the absolute anti-thesis of justice and morality.
@ScientificBob I just watched a discovery show in which someone murdered a woman and her kids. He was charged with the crime, tried, and exonerated. He went in the service, got married, lived an absolutely exemplary life, and yet, when DNA testing became available, the vaginal swab was tested, and sure enough, it was his semen! The military subsequently tried him for the same crime, (is actually before the Supreme Court as we speak (double jeopardy), found him guilty, & sentenced him to death
@ScientificBob When asked before the retrial, no one that knew him could believe he did that. In fact, they began to deny the DNA evidence, because he had just been so outstanding a person for so many years. And yet, despite all his "good", he was condemned to death! We are all sinners. All of us are law breakers. And every one of us have a guaranteed date before a Just God ho will hold us accountable for our sins. All our "goodness" counts for nothing! We broke the law. All of us!
@ScientificBob And there is someone who will hold us accountable for what we have done. You probably think you're a good person. So does just about everyone else. But good is a relative term. In the eyes of God, all of us are law breakers many, many, many times over. You think if there's a heaven you should get there because you think you're basically a good guy. But you also think that someone like hitler for example should not get there, because he was a bad guy. But in God's eyes -
@ScientificBob you are no better than hitler. You are a law breaker! It doesn't matter if you lie 10 times in your life or a million, you are a liar either way. And all will face the absolute wrath of God and His judgment, short of the penalty of our sins being paid. Why would people like Berkowicz be forgiven, and you, if you don't accept Jesus, not? Because God provided forgiveness for you, and everyone else. He paid the penalty everyone owes. If you reject His offer of forgiveness -
@ScientificBob then God will absolutely execute His wrath on you for your sins. But if Berkowicz accepted God's offer of forgiveness, then He receives it. Jesus shed His righteous blood for everyone to have the opportunity to be forgiven of their sins, and reconciled to a personal relationship with God. What He gave was the single greatest act of love in all of human history. Those that accept it reaps the benefits of it. Those that don't, won't.
show me where genocide should be visited upon any race that doesnt follow the Lord unquestionably. Israel didnt follow unquestionably. This fool pretends to know the extend of the conditions in the ancient near east? he cant even accurately set forth the text to which he refers. Watching an evil fool like this doesnt make me wonder why God sends people to hell but rather why he is so patient with people. I praise Him for if it werent for that patience and forgivenes id be in hell right now.
If these religious kooks simply took a semester on Evolution, we could put to rest this idea that we came from apes and replace it with the knowledge that we have a shared ancestory. My atheist friends will enjoy "Religious fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel.
@Sweence I teach honors high school chemistry and biology. I've discussed and debated this issue with evolutionists for more than 30 years. There is nothing i've seen that lends itself whatsoever to evidence that supports the theories of evolution as opposed to Creation. Maybe you should actually honestly pursue the evidence, instead of blind loyalty to a lie. It would be a lot better for you to believe in Creation while you have breath rather than after you've breathed your last
@shopper292 You teach chem & biology and you reject evolutionary theory? Your mind is clouded with Jesus which is a barrier to logical thinking. Then you suggest that I will suffer punishment in some after-life because I'm skeptical of biblical mythology? I suggest you put aside your old magic book written by middle Eastern goat herders from a forgotten time, and try real science and rationality. I feel sorry for your students...
@Sweence my students are taught all the evolutionary theories, and all the problems associated with them. I actually teach my students, not indoctrinate them. They learn real science, not indoctrination in fairy tales that have no basis in scientific facts. The fact that my mind was opened to logical thinking and scientific thinking was what led to me accept Jesus as Messiah in the first place (I am Jewish). As for your after life, I simply shared with you what is true.
@shopper292 There aren't many problens associated with natural selection. We can watch evolution occur in micro-organisms. It's how antibiotics are designed to keep up with survivable mutations that harm us. You're obviously drunk on god and are deluded. And don't tell me that punishment in some made-up hell for non-believers is "true". It's about as true as a talking snake, and a 8,000 year old Earth.
@Sweence natural selection has nothing to do with evolution. It's a red herring construct of the evolutionary community. Actually,natural selection would mitigate against evolution, not in favor of it. As for microbes, antibiotic resistance has nothing to do with mutations (generation of new info). NOTHING! The evolutionary community won't tell you that, because it will simply be another evolutionary construct down the drain (like all the rest have gone). Stop being blindly led!
@shopper292 The "Evolutionary Community" is 100% of the peer-reviewed scientists in the world. Put simply, you're very wrong, and we're right. Evolutionary theory is the foundation for the biological sciences just as atomic theory is the basis for Chemistry. You have blind faith in an old magic book that puts a wall up between you and the progress we have made in the last 2000 years. You are severly deluded in your thinking.
@Sweence you really should just stop talking. you're making yourself look terrible. There is nothing in Biology based on evolution (with has nothing to do with variation). biological evolution is predicated on two constructs; natural selection, which has nothing to do with speciation (and actually, would mitigate against it), and mutations. However, for evolution to be true, it would be dependent on literally trillions of mutations that increase functional genetic information. NEXT
@Sweence given that there is not a single example of that anywhere in history, the entire construct of biological evolution is based on science that is completely devoid of evidence. All you are left with is speculation, faith, a construct based solely on a worldview, and nothing more. Given that every other postulation of evolutionary thought has either been discredited or had better explanations proposed in the Creation model, and evolution is left with nothing. That's your god.
@shopper292 You are an idiot. Without evolution, there would be no biology.
Evolution is supported by every piece of relevant data in the scientific literature. There is no theory that explains biology better, and no fact it disagrees with.
Compare that to creationism, which is not supported by ANY evidence, and every testable claim put forth by it's adherents has been proven wrong thousands of times. There is no creation model. It explains nothing because it is nothing.
@ThePsychoReturns do you realize that there is not a single scientifically factual statement you made in your entire post? Not a single one! But, i do have a question for you. Since Bilogy has been around for several thousand years, and since you content there would be no biology without evolution, (with is perhaps the most ridiculous assertion i've heard yet), how do you explain that biology existed all that time without evolutionary propaganda?
What passed for biology was an unconnected congregation of ideas before Darwin's theory pulled it all together and made it into a unified scientific field.
@ThePsychoReturns like i said, there was not a single accurate statement in your entire post! And this response in support of pseudo science isn't accurate either!
@shopper292 You don't have an argument. You will only childishly pretend that you're always right and everyone else is always wrong, no matter how obvious the opposite is.
@ThePsychoReturns there is not a single thing i've said to you that is incorrect. There is also not a single thing i've said to you that you yourself won't also believe. The only question with you is whether it will be before or after you've breathed your last here...
Soon as I heard him talking I was like "Oh man, here we go again..."
luvcomedy123 1 week ago
Fuck this guy. I don't care what you believe, making a generalization about a group of people is one of the worst things you can do.
mrrainbowtruffle 2 weeks ago
@mrrainbowtruffle All people who do that are assholes.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
Why do I get fucking church gospel cd advertisements at videos like Elvis music, and all the other "sin" videos like this one.
GTASA911 2 weeks ago
Kirk Cameron is a racist.
TheMrgoku1985 3 weeks ago
Darwin was the least racist than the majority around him. He believed non-whites were just as human as he was.
KingKaio 3 weeks ago
@KingKaio Yes he even did experiments to disprove a belief by many who claimed the different races were actually a different and lesser species to Caucasians. Darwin, disgusted at this, proved otherwise but you won't hear Creotards shouting that from the roof tops. He also abhorred slavery and had a massive fall out with staunchly Christian Captain Fitzroy on this matter.
pilgrimpater 2 weeks ago
maybe Darwin was racist and misogynist, but his scientific theory is right, so fuck it very very much
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ThatCrazyLiberal 2 months ago
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MrDonny134 2 months ago
Spiritual laws are just as real as physical laws. You don't dare disobey the laws of gravity, electricity, inertia, or heat, .You may very well find out disobeying spiritual laws are the same. The pain comes later than the pain of disobedience of laws of physics. Darwin was a theologian, (19th century Quack) not a scientist of any kind.
MrDonny134 2 months ago
@MrDonny134
There is no such thing as a physical law. What laymen refer to as "laws" scientists refer to as "theories". That's right, science considers gravity a theory. There is a ton of evidence suggesting its correctness (e.g. we don't go flying off the earth as it spins), but it is not proven beyond all possible doubt.
This is the essence of science, and it is this that Christians don't understand. In fact, the theory of gravity has changed at least a half dozen times in 400 years.
dipstickewew 2 months ago
@MrDonny134 Except for all the laws you have just described have almost INSTANT rammifications. You have to wait to die to see the negative consiquences on a spiritual level.
Bobbo63 3 weeks ago
The basis for Darwin evolution is the "Simple" cell from which all life evolved. There is no such thing as a simple cell and all the cells mechanisms (trillions) must be in place in order and non reducible in order for the cell to operate.;end of lesson. Now who is "stupid?" Get right with Yahweh or get ready to deal with Satan.
MrDonny134 2 months ago
@MrDonny134 You literally just made half of that up. Irreducibility is a theory that has been disproven several times, and you have it in your definition as necessary? No wonder you reject evolution, you don't understand it.
webmaster2089 2 months ago 4
Do the Jesus Freaks have ANYBODY with a little brains to impress those who reasonably argue AGAINST te hokus pokus the sell as "evidence" of God?
To serve up this pretty faced milquetoast as their perpetual cheerleader is embarassing.
Either bring out some real guns, or get out of the war. You can't win atomic powered REAL scientific arguments with Bible school spit ball ammo.
Chelsea4President 2 months ago
KIrk Cameron is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong, ignorant & misleading it is. The good news is that the vast majority of people think he's a complete ass.
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rom116rom 2 months ago
What if you are wrong in what YOU believe in?
Then what?
The1234ma 3 months ago
@The1234ma - Well then, we fall back on gods forgiveness.
IE - god knows our hearts. Knowing WHY we thought the way we did/do and there by understanding the conclusions that we did come to. After all, "he" snapped "his" "fingers" and the universe came into being.
At that moment, knowing all that would happen to the very end of "time". And, since all causality is "his" and "he" is perfect.
All will be "forgiven." Actually, it would be a non-issue.
Rocketryman 2 months ago
The only problem with youtube is close minded fucktards like this get to make stupid videos.
YTBruler1 3 months ago
@YTBruler1 No the only problem is that close-minded fucktards like you get to comment without any real understanding of the arguments or any thing that actually furthers the discussion >.< Unfortunately the plurality of christians that I know, those being family members and friends, always fall back to the position of you're wrong and going to hell because of it, while I and others like me try to reason with them and get them to come out from the rock they live under, I am a black sheep BAH BAH
IamZren89 2 months ago
@IamZren89
The problem with trying to reason with the religious is, as a wise man once said, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I personally ahve nothing agaisnt anyone believing any old rubbish. the problems arise when they expect us to believe it or follow their rules or want special treatment because of them.
realist81UK 2 months ago
@realist81UK Well said, I have always believed that freedom of religion also implies freedom FROM religion. In fact I have been using that line of reasoning for some time. I have no problem with people having faith, I believe that the universe itself is whats holy (read life) but when others try to impose their beliefs upon me or anyone else, that's when I develop a "problem" with the whole thing. If they would leave well enough alone everything would be fine. But proselytizing is in the blood.
IamZren89 2 months ago
I like your idea of giving information but it's a little too bias for my liking. Your not getting listeners of the opposite side to listen. You just turn them off by your overloading emotion. I would like to hear arguements against Darwin. Just not the fact that he's a racist.
MightyEmperor3 4 months ago
What a load of sh##
NoisyWorm 4 months ago
@jrsampson2000 from my previous comments you should've know what kind of religious person i am... you should've know my way of thinking at this moment... and im not alone...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
@ImperialEarthEmpire Spanish inquisition.
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@retrogamerist what?
ImperialEarthEmpire 4 months ago
@ImperialEarthEmpire Speaks for itself.
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@retrogamerist you dont understand... im not that kind of religious person...
ImperialEarthEmpire 4 months ago
@ImperialEarthEmpire So? Was I speaking about you?
retrogamerist 4 months ago
@retrogamerist sorry... but i dont get it... can you explain to me why you talking bout spanish inquisition in first place? as far as i know spanish inquisition is notorious with their harsh policies n that is not what im trying to present...
ImperialEarthEmpire 4 months ago
@jrsampson2000 that is what im trying to say... i want to tell to other religious person that religion is something personal that cannot be force... religion never cause suffering to one soul... im pretty sure that all religion today has been corrupted n changed from its original purpose...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
@jrsampson2000 we all will never know why but one thing for sure, i respect jesus n all of his teaching... all argument bout jesus miracles is pointless... you can ask the question but the answers is within our own self...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
@jrsampson2000 well i assume you an atheist then... if i debate with you i surely will speechless because religion will never be proven scientifically but faith cant be separated from mankind...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
@jrsampson2000 im a religious person but i will not let religion corrupt my scientific thinking... if something in bible contradict with current science then i will reject it...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
Good video! : )
winterstellar 5 months ago
whats a big deal... evolution is still a theory... the original theory of evolution from darwin is suck... the scientist find it ridiculous and they decided to corrected the darwins theory into the evolution we know today...
ImperialEarthEmpire 6 months ago
@ImperialEarthEmpire Evolution is a fact. You should look up what theory means in science, and you should look up evolution. Look it up in wiki, in the article about evolution there's also a chapter called *fact of evolution*
winterstellar 5 months ago
@winterstellar i believe in evolution as our evolution from tiny cell is the prove of it... i just dont like the original theory stated by darwin... the evolution we know today differ greatly from that of darwin... and i also believe in god...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
@ImperialEarthEmpire Good. Many people do accept both evolution and God, but in America there seems to be very many who don't accept both: )
winterstellar 5 months ago
@winterstellar that is what im trying to say to those religious freak... they cant take everything in the bible literally... when god said he create the universe in six days doesn't mean it exactly six days it could've been six million years...
ImperialEarthEmpire 5 months ago
Evolution is a bad fairy tale.
darkfur35 6 months ago
@darkfur35 Adam and Eve is a bad Fairy Tale.
treasuredroperX 5 months ago
@treasuredroperX No bueno
oNallieGirl 5 months ago
@treasuredroperX A lot of people believe in them. It is logical, people had to start from somewhere.
darkfur35 5 months ago
@darkfur35 Lmao, it's not even Genetically possible. So no it did not start from Adam and Eve.
treasuredroperX 5 months ago
@treasuredroperX Lmao, Why not? One would have to know a lot about genetics to make that statement. No one on earth knows that much.
darkfur35 5 months ago
@darkfur35 Evolution is fact, look it up in wiki. Oh, and "Adam & Eve" and "The Talking Snake" and "The Flood" are examples of fairy-tales..
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youneekk 6 months ago
The recycle line was stupid. But, I really like the rest of it!
TheSultan03 6 months ago
All religious zealots have some kind of serious mental problem. For one they are all delusional and very self conscious. People who look to religion to solve all of their own short comings in this life and the next.
chrispycritter2 7 months ago
Oh man, this is some good crazy right here. Shopper292 has so much mentally insane win in him. Rant on crazy motherfucker, rant on!
Aezelll 7 months ago
I once saw a video where Kirk Cameron got bitch-slapped and spat upon be a transexual sissy over in London. He was harrasing him/her/ it and this person returned the favor.
somethingdiffereable 7 months ago
Why do Atheist try to use scientific talk? Just makes them sound less intelligent than they are.
I'll sum up God in a few words. Taken form the bible. God is Love. If you know God you know love. (This not word for word, but this is simplified that any person of any educational background can understand.)
cachemachine 7 months ago
@cachemachine but how do you know that your god exist? how do you know that your god is the correct god? also how do you know that the bible is the word of your correct god? hmmmm . you follow blind faith. which faith is believeing in something that you dont have evidence on. which is like me saying i believe in unicorns if you dont know unicorns you dont know love. because i have faith in the unicorns
lilkush909 7 months ago
@lilkush909 I was suppose to die a year ago form a massive stroke. Even the doctors said best just take me off life support and let me die. My wife said NO!!! She prayed non stop for 7 hours. In that 7th hour when she told them to take me off the machine, I regained conciseness. The Doctors said it was impossible. I was dead. Boy what idiots they turned out to be.
Now I'm alive with NO brain damage. Explain that? I can God! Science said I was dead. God said he wasn't done with me.
cachemachine 7 months ago
@cachemachine that had nothing to do with god im tired of christians/ muslims using stories like that to prove that god exist. that doesnt prove anything. it just shows that you believe it was god, and that didnt answer the question that i asked all you guys do is walk in circles and not answer the questions.
lilkush909 7 months ago
@lilkush909 My answer is this. I'm here, alive. That is how I know He lives or exist.
I don't need proof life and the miracle of life is more than enough for me. Love exist, nobody can explain where it came from. You can't produce it from any math or scientific problem. but you believe in it and you feel it.
Reason why people share these testimonies with you, because we are happy what God has done for us and We love to share it. If you won the lottery wouldn't you love to tell to others?
cachemachine 7 months ago
@cachemachine but your still not answering the question
lilkush909 7 months ago
@lilkush909 I just know in my heart God is real. I don't need any farther evidence. I wish I could tell you the answer you want to hear. I told you MY answer. You are seeking a materialistic worldly answer, which causing you frustration and confusion. That is the way of the world. The way of the cross is less stressful and confusing. If God does not exist, what do I as a Christian have to loose? Nothing.
If you are wrong, and God is real, what do your risk loosing?
cachemachine 7 months ago
@lilkush909 There are more than 250 specific detailed prophecies given in the old Testament about the coming of the messiah. hundreds were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The probability of even 8 of those prophecies coming to pass as predicted is extremely improbably, and yet, they did. The probability of a single cell by random chance (1 x 10^40000), infinitely beyond possibility; and it didn't happen. yet you'll believe this fairy tale (evolution) instead of what is known to be true (Jesus)
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 jesus is not 100 percent true yes he lived and was a all about ''peace'' and ''love'' and it isnt random chance please do not use the same lame arguments as creationist do. Also if you are getting your facts abt jesus from your bible let me tell youomething. what are the chances of your belief being true instead of a mormon or a muslim
lilkush909 7 months ago
@lilkush909 what are the chances of what i believe being true instead of those of mormons or muslims? 100%! Jesus was about a lot more than peace and love. The message of the Bible is anything but tolerant. It is Jesus as the way, or nothing! Heaven or hell! One way to heaven, all other ways to hell. That message of peace and love was directed to those who open their hearts and accept the forgiveness of God through the sacrificial blood Jesus shed. The is no other way to be forgiven...
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 but thats what muslims say too. one way allah
lilkush909 7 months ago
@lilkush909 that's what all religions say. all religions are predicated on the idea that man can do enough good things to overcome whatever bad we have done. "Just be good enough, and you'll get to heaven", they claim. Being good enough as a Muslim would mean cutting the head off infidels. Hmmm. Not exactly the same as what being good means to others. The difference between them all is that the Bible tell us we can never be good enough to make us right with God; never!
shopper292 7 months ago
@lilkush909 the bible tells us we are sinners, and that sin has separated us from God. What's more, God being just means that He will execute judgment against us because of those sins. The sins must be paid for! God i His justice will hold people accountable for their sins. But God is also love, and out of His love for us He took upon Himself the penalty of and payment for our sins. The shed blood of the Messiah, Jesus, paid for our sins. All we have to do is accept what God has done.
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 "But God is also love, and out of His love for us He took upon Himself the penalty of and payment for our sins"
So you consider it morally correct to punish one person for the wrongdoings of others? You consider it morally correct that the crimes of the father carry over to the son?
If that's the case, then you really and truelly are morally bankrupt. There is no place in the civilised world for people like you.
ScientificBob 7 months ago
@ScientificBob we are all judged for our own sins, not the sins of others. As for the fact that Messiah took upon Himself our sins, He did that as an act of love and of His own will. He was the only One righteous, and could thus do that. And, if He did not do that, nobody would ever go to heaven because we would all be condemned for our sins. The mercy and grace of God enables sinners like me to be forgiven for my sins, because someone paid the penalty due me for my sins.
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob In the scenario you gave me, one of those two sought forgiveness for all the things he'd done wrong; the other sought no forgiveness at all, thinking he had done enough to earn his way into heaven. Nobody earns their way into heaven just like the guy in the discovery show i mentioned was held accountable for that act he did even though the rest of his life was exemplary. And you would have been cheering for him to be punished, despite the rest of his life
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob so stop with the red herrings. God will execute justice against all those who have sinned and rejected His free gift of forgiveness. All those that think themselves to be their own gods, and that they can dictate the terms of heaven to God, will learn that only God is God. He has set the requirements for forgiveness & heaven, and judgment & hell. Everyone will face one or the other. And it will be solely on what you do with what He did for you!
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 Do all the people you love and care for share your faith? Suppose an unbelieving son or daughter were to die, will their unending torture in a literal hell in any way affect your eternal bliss in heaven? Do you plan to worship and praise the being who is burning your children? Will you see that as a perfect execution of justice and love? Have you told your loved ones that you will sing praise to God as he tortures them if they should ever disbelieve?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman no, they don't. In fact, being Jewish, most of my family are not believer's in Messiah. And yes, if they continue to believe as they do, they will die in their sin, and spend an eternity in a very literal hell. And it weighs very heavily on me. As to the past part of your question, it is my belief that God erases our memory when we get to heaven. Scripture does seem to indicate that, and short of that, heaven would not be bliss knowing your loved ones were in hell
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 Thanks for your honesty. Personally, I would consider the eternal torture of people I love as something that would not just weigh heavily upon me, but would crush me to the point where I may as well be in hell with them. There is no way I could ever be happy, and knowing that that situation would never change. I don't know how I could worship their torturer. I can understand that it would be more humane to wipe the memories of all those in heaven.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
Respond to this video... The main part of my question is if you consider the eternal torture and burning of your parents,wife and children as an example of perfect justice and love because they didn't recognise Jesus as their saviour? Do you agree that your parents are worshiping God the way they think they are supposed to, and do you think it is right that they be brutally harmed for all eternity because they chose to keep worshiping God the way they were taught was right?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Is it wrong for a person to spend their entire life in prison for one indiscretion? That is what happens friend; that is justice in action. How much more will a Righteous, Just God execute judgment against lifetimes of indiscretions by all of us? The Bible tells us that all our righteousness is as filthy rags. We have nothing of ourselves we can offer God to cover for a lifetime of sins. And true justice demands that those sins be punished! That punishment will either be..
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 Both your parents and you are worshiping god the way they think is right, with humility, reverence and piety. Do you think a pure, loving and all knowing God would not understand this? Do you think an all-knowing and perfectly just god would look at your parents and condemn them to eternal hideous torture anyway, even though he knew they thought they were doing his will all along. Do you think it is right that if they die with the beliefs they have, that it is right they burn?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman My friend, the folks that flew the planes into the towers thought they were worshipping God with humility, reverence, and piety. Sincerity of belief does not make s things right. Actually, sincerity of belief has led to some of the most horrific crimes in all of history. The Bible is not a tolerant book. It tells us that there is one way and only one way to be forgiven for our sins, and that way was accomplished by an innocent substitute; the only One who could..
shopper292 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman God, because He is just, will hold everyone accountable for the sins they have committed. But God in His love made a way for us to escape His judgment for our sins, by taking them upon Himself, to pay the penalty for them that is actually due to us. He has done everything necessary to provide full forgiveness for us. If we insist on rejecting what He has done, we are rejecting the greatest sacrifice ever made, by the only One that never had to make it. And it was all for us
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 And sincere christian believers have committed their fair share of atrocities in the name of their beliefs too. I agree that sincerity does not make things right, and has led to horrific crimes. You will probably say that the believers who did horrible things in the name of christianity were not "true" christians. The same could be said of moslems or hindu's or any believers who have to explain why some of their number do horrible things.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 The fact is most believers manage to live moral, law abiding lives. I would argue that they do so despite their religion rather than because of it. Nevertheless although many could find verses in their scriptures to justify any number of violent immoral behaviours, the vast majority do not. The vast majority worship their gods simply and with tolerance for others, focusing on those passages of their scriptures which support moral, rather than immoral behaviour. These are the..
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman then we will face a certain reality of a very literal hell as punishment for a lifetime of sins. God won't condemn us because we reject His forgiveness. If we are condemned, it will be because of our sins. And that is what we deserve. And yet, God provided a way of escape, and with it, an eternity of absolute bliss. That way is the blood Jesus Christ shed on that cross, for us. There is no other way to be forgiven, no other way to avoid the judgment of God
shopper292 6 months ago
Respond to this video... that I think a real all-knowing and all-compassionate god should be able to understand. I can see they are worshiping the way they think is right. I hope you can see that they are worshiping the way they think is right too. How could it be that a real god who is supposedly able to see into the hearts of people would not understand that these people are worshiping their god in the way that they were taught, and are convinced is correct, could not understand that?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman The problem your analogy runs up against is truth. You speak from a viewpoint of tolerance. The Biblical message is one that is very intolerant. It tells us there is one way and only one way to be forgiven our sins and receive the promise of heaven. Further, it tells us that all people are sinners, and all of us are under the wrath of God. Short of an act of God, none of us would be able to be forgiven for our sins. But by His act, we can.
shopper292 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman You're under the impression that if people are sincere and good, they'll be okay with God. They won't. The Bible tell us that no one is good except God alone. It furthers tells us that all of us are sinners, and that the wages due our sins is death (eternal separation from God). So that is what is due all of us; every single person that has ever lived beyond an age of accountability. And yet, God, in His mercy and His love, offered to take upon Himself all of the sins of...
shopper292 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman all of humanity, for all of history. The perfect, sinless, holy God, took upon Himself all the murders, rapes, hate, violence, greed, deceit, all of the sins from the beginning to the end; took them upon Himself and nailed them to a cross. By that act He has paid for each of our sins, and He offers that free gift to every one of us. If we reject that offer; if we tell Him we'll do it our own way, then we remained covered in our sins, and facing His judgment for them.
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 You are perfectly accurate in your summary of christan dogma. I do not argue that "if people are sincere and good, they'll be okay with God". I am arguing that a real, all-knowing, and loving god could not condemn people because they happen to believe that he is accurately described in a book other than the bible. Of god values belief above all moral behaviour he would have to understand that almost all people get their beliefs from their parents early in life, and stick with them..
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman He will not be condemning them because they failed to believe in the Biblical description of Him. He will condemn them because of their sins. You are back to the courtroom argument that if someone is good enough or sincere enough, it should outweigh whatever they have done wrong. That's not justice. The person that commits murder is condemned in a court of law for what he did wrong, irregardless of whatever he has done right besides that. Justice requires punishment.
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 I think you are completely misunderstanding what I am arguing. I am not arguing that if people are good they should go to heaven. I completely understand your (christian) position that God requires people to accept the sacrifice of his son Jesus as atonement for sins which we cannot remove ourselves. The problem that I am at pains to point out to you is that believers in other religions also have the same sorts of beliefs. They too submit to their god's requirements...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman and what you are not understanding is that what anyone believes is absolutely irrelevant, unless it's true! So we get to the crux of the matter. If the Bible is true, then so is its intolerant message that only through Jesus Christ will one find forgiveness. If it's not true, then you could select from any other religious system, because they are all predicated on pretty much the same thing with one another; just do enough, and you'll be okay with God.
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 ..believing that they are as filthy rags. They do the exact things that christians do. What I would like you to consider is that a real god would know that these people, if they happened to have been born in your country instead of iran, or india, or bhutan, would in all likelihood be worshipping a christian god, and according to you, be saved, whereas because they were born elsewhere, and worship a different god, they will burn. I have to wonder how an all knowing, moral god...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 .. could punish a person according to circumstances that only he could be accountable for, namely the time and place a person is born.
Remember, the overwhelmingly dominant factor in determining a person's beliefs are the beliefs of their parents, and the overwhelming probability is that those beliefs are geographically determined. A real god would have to know this. If he causes a child to be born in Iran with moslem parents, will he then blame that child for becoming a moslem..
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Scripture is clear in that every person who desires to know God and His will, can know God and His will ("you will seek Me and you will fine Me when you search for Me with all your heart").. The problem friend, is that none of us really want to know God ad His will. Our sins blind us to Him, and instead, incline us to what is comfortable to us. If I had died before accepting Messiah, I would stand just as condemned as does anyone else that dies without accepting Him. Why?...
shopper292 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman God replaces that sin-filled, sinful nature in us with a nature that is not sin-filled. Instead of satisfying the lusts of our own flesh, we desire to share with the world the love of God they so desperately need to know. He transforms us and our nature to one whose heart of stone is replaced (figuratively) with a heart of flesh. No true follower of Messiah could perpetrate murder. It would run completely opposite to what God leads us to do; to share the good news with them
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 ..as an adult? When that adult dies, having spent a lifetime worshiping in the way he thought was right, defending his beliefs against rival religions, humbly accepting that it is not by his own good deeds that he is saved, but by the mercy and love and sacrifice of his god, will your god then say to him, "I'm not that god, I'm this god, now burn!"
I know you think that you think everyone should burn for their sins, but it is the claim that you can avoid this if you just reject ..
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman because all of us are covered in lifetimes of sin. Every single one of us. There are none righteous; there are none that do good; all of us are sinners. All of us are deserving of the judgment of God. And none of us will see His salvation, nor seek His salvation, apart from a literal act of God in our hearts. The reason we won't, is because we are all sinful, sin-filled creatures, who's sole focus in life is to satisfy the lusts of our flesh. When we accept Messiah, ...
shopper292 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman and what is that good news? That "God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him." (John 3:16-17) That is the message of Scripture friend. That the God who created you loves you, and did everything possible to forgive you your sins, and receive the promise of eternal life
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 ..all the religious teachings they've has since they were a child. Reject all the beliefs they have about god, turn their back on every moment they've felt their god's presence in their lives, throw away what they consider the bedrock of their morality, because you say all that is obviously false teaching.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 for the remainder of their lives. A real all knowing god would completely understand that a person's beliefs almost entirely depend on the geographical location of their birth, and not upon careful consideration and intense study of all the different religiouns. A real god would know that we as humans have no way of differentiating between the validity of one religion as compared to another, because they all make similar claims, threats, promises and prophesies...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 ..and they all produce in their believers feelings of wonder and awe, and of inner oneness with their god or gods. A real god would know all these things, and yet you claim that your god, the only god that could possibly be true, will torture people forever if they believe in an alternative description of him.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman as for the situation you postulated about a God with turban, again, it's an irrelevant argument, because it's not true. The God if the Bible is God. He came to earth wrapped in human flesh, lived a perfect life, and offered up that perfect life so that you, me, and everyone that has ever lived can avoid the very punishment you refer to! If we reject what He did for us to accomplish forgiveness for us, then all that is left for us is punishment for our sins. And that He will do
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 It's a hypothetical argument shopper, I know you don't think it is true. I'm trying to have you see things from another point of view. All adults should be able to do that. I wan't you to imagine what it would be like to face judgement with the realisation that you were wrong about god. I want you to consider what it would be like to have lived a life doing all the things that you considered your god wanted you to do, only to discover that your idea of god was incorrect...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 I want you then to consider how moral and just it is to torture people forever for making this kind of simple and honest mistake, of which they had no possible way of knowing they were making, with the result that their sins are not washed clean, and therefore they must burn. It may be too much for me to ask that you see this perspective. You have no trouble imagining other people are wrong, and accepting that their punishment is just. What if it were you? Should you burn?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman but friend, the problem with your discussion points is that the Bible absolutely is true; it is what it claims to be, (the word of God), and it does what it was created to be (reveal God to us, and His will for us). Because it is what it is, there are no other options. Personal opinions don't matter in the light of truth. All that matters is what is true. Since Scripture is true, then the issue becomes, what is God's position on this issue. His position? Jesus Christ!
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 For goodness sake, I know you believe the bible is true. You are twisting and turning away from the question I have asked you. I want you to put yourself in the position of someone else. I want you to imagine that it is you who was facing a god who is different to the one you expected. I want you to tell me if you think it is right and just for God to burn people who thought they were worshiping the right god, but weren't. I don't give a fig what the details of your beliefs...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 .. are, or of the circular reasoning you use to justify them. I know exactly how intolerant all monotheistic religions are, especially christianity. I know how intolerant you are. I want to know if you think it is perfect justice for people who have worshiped the wrong god, earnestly but mistakenly,morally but in error, to burn for ever and ever. I would like for you to tell me that of it were you who had been worshiping the wrong god, and the real god sent you to burn...
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 .. would you see that as perfect justice, and accept his wisdom?
You would rather talk about anything else than face this question. Your reluctance to answer directly indicates that you are embarrassed by intolerant injustice of your beliefs, because you know these beliefs are fundamentally immoral, barbaric, and obscene.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 If it is just too hard for you to imagine yourself as being wrong, consider your Jewish relatives, who you "know" will burn. Some may already have died and are burning right now. Imagine being there when God looks at your mother and says "away from me" and casts her into the lake of fire. At that moment, what will you do? Will you avert your eyes and pretend you don't know her? Will you look into her eyes and say "I'ts your fault mother, you rejected christ's loving sacrifice!"..
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 Will you dance for joy at the implementation of God's perfect and exemplary justice? As she screams will you sing loud praises to God to drown her out? Will you try very hard to make sure you feel no injustice has been done, knowing that god can read your rebellious thoughts? You will have to have some reaction to all these events. You claim that these things are surely going to happen, and because your family are jewish, that you will have to witness their brutal torture.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 Sorry about the awkward sentence structure there. I re-wrote it a number of times and didn't fix it properly. The main argument I want to make is that believing in a different god is not a rebellion or defiance of your god, and I don't know why a real god would view it that way. You point out that your God offers redemption and safe passage to the afterlife which all sounds nice, but other religions offer those things too and the people who believe those claims are not ....
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman again i want to get back to sincerity and what value it has. The people that flew the planes in the towers in 9-11 were very sincere, and were absolutely believing that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do. They couldn't have been more wrong, and they now fully know that. But the point it, sincerity and belief only matter if what you believe is true. If it isn't true, then all the sincerity and belief in something in the world mean nothing!
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 And of course sincere believing christians have slaughtered also, believing that they were doing exactly what God wanted them to do. From the crusades to witch burning, and all the pogroms of the Old testament.
Imagine if it were you that believed in an untrue god. Imagine you die, and God is wearing a turban. Do you deserve to die because you didn't believe in Allah and his prophet Mohammed? Is your crime so unspeakable that of course the only just thing to do is to burn forever?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@shopper292 ..thumbing their nose or shaking their fist at your god. They are doing exactly what they think "God" wants them to do. What I would hope you understand is that Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, and all other believers feel the same way about their gods as you do about yours. You have not sinned for not believing their claims and they have not sinned for not not believing your claims. Even in the unlikely event that some believer was right about their claims, a real god would know that.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman but in answering a question posed by my kinsmen trying to trap Him, Jesus clearly conveyed that in heaven we won't be married as we were here; but rather, we shall be brothers and sisters in Messiah, and like the angels. In addition, God tells us that when He forgives us our sins, He remembers them no more. It's just my personal opinion, but since heaven is a place of absolute bliss, and no sorrow, it is my belief that those in heaven will simply not know of those in hell.
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 I am not trying to trap you, but to make a value judgement about the morality of eternal torture based on private belief or non belief. You know and love your family, and I think you may probably understand why they don't believe the things you do. They believe other things which you do not. Are people evil and deserving of punishment for believing one thing instead of another. Are you evil for not accepting the tenets of islam or hinduism?
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman Neither islam nor hinduism is true, and neither will lead one to God. For that matter, no other system of good deeds vs bad will lead you there either. Our efforts can never appease God to avert the judgment due us, just as no murderer could walk into court and demand to be let ff because he/she did more good things in their life than bad things. My family doesn't believe for the same reason i didn't; our sins blind us to what is true.
shopper292 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman If you walk into court guilty of a serious crime, and the Judge offers to forgive you for that crime based on terms he gives, and you reject his offer, then you will be condemned for that crime. Belief only matters if it is accord with what is true. Neither islam nor hinduism are, nor is any other system of "good deeds appeasing God." We stand condemned as sinners, and our ability to be forgiven what id due us is solely in the atoning sacrifice Jesus made on the cross
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 Using your analogy, what I would like you to consider is that believers in other religions than yours do think that they are humbly accepting the offer the judge has prepared for them. It's just that their judge is not the one you are accepting your offer from. What we have is a courthouse with many courtrooms, all with different Judges offering different terms to the people being tried. You are in one of those courtrooms claiming that only your courtroom is the legitimate one.
TheMortalhuman 6 months ago
@TheMortalhuman us suffering the punishment for our sins, or God suffering the punishment for our sins. If we reject what He did for us, it will be us. If we accept what He did for us, we are undeservedly forgiven for our sins. Not only are we forgiven, we are promised an eternity in absolute bliss. Neither of these did we earn, or deserve. They were accomplished solely by Him, for us, as a free gift to us, out of His love for us. And if we continue to reject His offer to forgive...
shopper292 6 months ago
@shopper292 "The shed blood of the Messiah, Jesus, paid for our sins. All we have to do is accept what God has done"
So if Hitler accepted this "gift" right before he was blown up in his bunker underneath Berlin, he's now feasting in heaven? While Bill Gates, who has donated almost more money to charity then the rest of the world combined, who doesn't accept this "gift" will end up in hell being tortured forever?
You consider this morally correct and just?
Please choke during communion.
ScientificBob 7 months ago
@ScientificBob He didn't, But i do know of a nazi colonel who was responsible for the deaths of many who did accept God's forgiveness in Messiah after WW2. Is he in heaven now? If that act was sincere, absolutely! And if Bill Gates, who likewise is a sinner and who, like us all, has committed a lifetime of sins, rejects the forgiveness God's offers Him for his sins, then yes, he absolutely will face the wrath of God and eternity in a literal hell.
shopper292 7 months ago
@lilkush909 every person will face God, either as their savior, or as their judge. Every one. Most will face the wrath of God, because they will stand condemned for their sins, with no way to pay for them. Their good deeds will have done nothing for them! But a few will stand before Him forgiven of their sins, reconciled to God, and spending eternity in bliss beyond human description (heaven), all because they made a heartfelt acceptance of the atoning sacrifice Jesus made for them
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 The explanation you gave here is exactly the reason why I consider christian philosophy to be the most vile, inhuman, brutal, immoral, disgusting, asanine and the most sickening philosophy EVER to be introduced by and to human kind.
It amazes me that people would want to be part of it.
EVEN if I would believe it, I could NEVER EVER EVER subscribe to such immoral ways of life. EVER.
I'ld be a satanist for sure, who CLEARLY is the good guy in this mythology.
ScientificBob 7 months ago
@ScientificBob So that you know, the time will come for you, (as it does for everyone else), when you will acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Whether it is as your Savior or as your Judge depends on whether you do that while you are here in this life, or not until you've breathed your last. Either way friend, is it what will be.
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob satan is your hero? The one responsible for all the death and sin sin the world began about 6000 years ago? That one bob? Then you should love folks like hitller, mao, stalin, et al, because they were just carrying out the expression of satans desires for mankind (sin). You reject the One who gave His life to pay for yours solely out of love, hold your fist to Him and claim you will never "bow the knee" to Him, and can't understand why God's judgment on you is just. It is...
shopper292 7 months ago
@lilkush909 yeah yeah and a unicorn told me to eat a pop tart
lilkush909 7 months ago
Thumb My comment on the top up if you think shopper292 is a total moron. Come, my fellow atheists. Let us pwn this lamer!
mmmmmarcus 7 months ago
@mmmmmarcus what you think, as evidenced by what you believe, has no connection to what is true. I couldn't care less what you think of me. It won't make any difference in your life. But what you think of Jesus will make all difference in your life; now, and forever.
shopper292 7 months ago
the woman that was not a virgin evidenced that she had adultery. she was engaged/married and that was the penalty for adultery. sin spreads so fast and with 2 million Jews then. the damage to a greater mass of individuals is in view.
j919or 7 months ago
then he mocks putting placing evolution with creation giving no support for his contention other than that it is "laughable" and the bible is not a book of laws. It is the will of God given to Israel in the OT and the world in the NT. The NT tells us that the laws purpose was only to show us how evil we are so that we would trust God to live in us and thru us. BTW the catholic church is a misreprentation of Christ, so in part i understand his outrage
j919or 7 months ago
@j919or "the catholic church is a misreprentation of Christ"
lol Another stupid fundie who think he/she "has it right" and the rest are doing it wrong...
What denomination are you? Why do you think your denomination "has it right"?
The reason there are thousands of denominations is because the bible is a cluster fuck of nonsense & any moron can interpret it to mean whatever they want it to.
You all do it...
Zentz29 7 months ago
@Zentz29 actually, apart from an act of God, no man can understand Scripture. The natural man cannot understand the things of God. They are foolishness to him, because they are spiritually discerned. But God is wiling to open the eyes of those whom He chooses, and allow some deserving of death to pass from death to life.
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 "But God is wiling to open the eyes of those whom He chooses"
Right. And OFF COURSE, you are one of those lucky few priviliged ones, right? And you are OFF COURSE a TRUE one, right? Not like all those other people from various religions (or a different denomination of the same religion) who also claim to have their eyes "opened" by their deity of choice, right? No... they are all lying or halucinating. Only YOU have it right.
Hahahaha. Don't forget your tin foil hat.
ScientificBob 7 months ago
@ScientificBob God has made the offer of forgiveness available to all. Most will respond just that way you are now. But God, in His great mercy, not only gave everything to forgive you, He also in His sovereign will opens the hearts and the eyes of some so that they will see it, understand it, and accept it. We are all so dead in our lusts that apart from a literal act of God, none of us would ever be able to see and receive this gift. Open your heart friend, while there is time...
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob I have noting of my own accord. Apart from an act of God in my life, though His great mercy, I would be dead in my sins, and on my way to a certain, literal hell. That God opened my eyes to His truth says nothing about me or my abilities. I would have never understood apart from Him. Nor does anyone else. Lawbreaking has a tendency to do that; blind people to what is true. Jesus loves you friend, so much so that He gave His life for you. Open your heart, while there is time
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292
So what was that "act of God" in your life?
THECHRISTCOMEDYHOUR 7 months ago
@Zentz29 David Berkowicz, Jeffrey Dahmer, and even Ted Bundy, if the transformation in their hearts was/is sincere, will find forgiveness of their sins and eternal life with God. People whose hearts remain hardened such as yours is now will find themselves judged for their sins and facing the eternal wrath of God, all because they bent their knees to acknowledge Jesus as Lord after they breathed their last, instead of before. Open your eyes and your heart, friend...while there is time
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 I'm not worried about it & you shouldn't be either.
Take a step back and look at what you believe... It's absolute insanity. I'm not calling you insane, I'm calling your religion insane.
I don't think that's possible for you to do. Ya see, people lose faith in their religions because they're not afraid to question EVERYTHING about it.
Why should I believe in your god and none of the other religions?
Zentz29 7 months ago
@Zentz29 call it whatever you want, but what you will be calling it is "true." Why should you believe in the God of the Bible? Because He is God. There is no religion that will make you right with God. Religions are simply man's attempt to fill a God-void inside him with a system of works. There are no works that will ever make anyone right with God. We all have a sin problem, and that problem stands between us and God. Only the blood Jesus shed can eliminate that problem.
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 "Why should you believe in the God of the Bible? Because He is God." That's not a satisfactory answer and you know it. For example: 'why should I believe in your koran?' answer: "because Allah is god".
That doesn't sound very convincing now does it? So try again. Why should we believe you?
ScientificBob 7 months ago
@Zentz29 as for another of your assertions, the main reason people fall away from the faith is begins with the issue of evolution. By and large the "Christian" community is not prepared to respond to the pseudo-science challenges evolution (and the evolutionary priesthood) confront them with. One of the reasons why AIG, ICR,and many like them are so important, because they are providing the info to believers needed to refute the pseudo science and pseudo scientists.
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 lolz
Okie dokie...
Zentz29 7 months ago
@shopper292 Wait, let me get this straight...
You can be the most vile, disgusting, evil man that has ever lived... you'll get to go feast in paradise if you are "saved".
While a perfectly friendly, moral, upstanding and kind atheists who believes it's all mumbo-jumbo and bullshit will get to be tortured forever?
Even if I would believe your silly mythology, I'ld never worship an evil dictator who treats his people in that way. That guy is the absolute anti-thesis of justice and morality.
ScientificBob 7 months ago
@ScientificBob I just watched a discovery show in which someone murdered a woman and her kids. He was charged with the crime, tried, and exonerated. He went in the service, got married, lived an absolutely exemplary life, and yet, when DNA testing became available, the vaginal swab was tested, and sure enough, it was his semen! The military subsequently tried him for the same crime, (is actually before the Supreme Court as we speak (double jeopardy), found him guilty, & sentenced him to death
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob When asked before the retrial, no one that knew him could believe he did that. In fact, they began to deny the DNA evidence, because he had just been so outstanding a person for so many years. And yet, despite all his "good", he was condemned to death! We are all sinners. All of us are law breakers. And every one of us have a guaranteed date before a Just God ho will hold us accountable for our sins. All our "goodness" counts for nothing! We broke the law. All of us!
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob And there is someone who will hold us accountable for what we have done. You probably think you're a good person. So does just about everyone else. But good is a relative term. In the eyes of God, all of us are law breakers many, many, many times over. You think if there's a heaven you should get there because you think you're basically a good guy. But you also think that someone like hitler for example should not get there, because he was a bad guy. But in God's eyes -
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob you are no better than hitler. You are a law breaker! It doesn't matter if you lie 10 times in your life or a million, you are a liar either way. And all will face the absolute wrath of God and His judgment, short of the penalty of our sins being paid. Why would people like Berkowicz be forgiven, and you, if you don't accept Jesus, not? Because God provided forgiveness for you, and everyone else. He paid the penalty everyone owes. If you reject His offer of forgiveness -
shopper292 7 months ago
@ScientificBob then God will absolutely execute His wrath on you for your sins. But if Berkowicz accepted God's offer of forgiveness, then He receives it. Jesus shed His righteous blood for everyone to have the opportunity to be forgiven of their sins, and reconciled to a personal relationship with God. What He gave was the single greatest act of love in all of human history. Those that accept it reaps the benefits of it. Those that don't, won't.
shopper292 7 months ago
show me where genocide should be visited upon any race that doesnt follow the Lord unquestionably. Israel didnt follow unquestionably. This fool pretends to know the extend of the conditions in the ancient near east? he cant even accurately set forth the text to which he refers. Watching an evil fool like this doesnt make me wonder why God sends people to hell but rather why he is so patient with people. I praise Him for if it werent for that patience and forgivenes id be in hell right now.
j919or 7 months ago
If these religious kooks simply took a semester on Evolution, we could put to rest this idea that we came from apes and replace it with the knowledge that we have a shared ancestory. My atheist friends will enjoy "Religious fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel.
Sweence 8 months ago
@Sweence I teach honors high school chemistry and biology. I've discussed and debated this issue with evolutionists for more than 30 years. There is nothing i've seen that lends itself whatsoever to evidence that supports the theories of evolution as opposed to Creation. Maybe you should actually honestly pursue the evidence, instead of blind loyalty to a lie. It would be a lot better for you to believe in Creation while you have breath rather than after you've breathed your last
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 You teach chem & biology and you reject evolutionary theory? Your mind is clouded with Jesus which is a barrier to logical thinking. Then you suggest that I will suffer punishment in some after-life because I'm skeptical of biblical mythology? I suggest you put aside your old magic book written by middle Eastern goat herders from a forgotten time, and try real science and rationality. I feel sorry for your students...
Sweence 7 months ago
@Sweence my students are taught all the evolutionary theories, and all the problems associated with them. I actually teach my students, not indoctrinate them. They learn real science, not indoctrination in fairy tales that have no basis in scientific facts. The fact that my mind was opened to logical thinking and scientific thinking was what led to me accept Jesus as Messiah in the first place (I am Jewish). As for your after life, I simply shared with you what is true.
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 There aren't many problens associated with natural selection. We can watch evolution occur in micro-organisms. It's how antibiotics are designed to keep up with survivable mutations that harm us. You're obviously drunk on god and are deluded. And don't tell me that punishment in some made-up hell for non-believers is "true". It's about as true as a talking snake, and a 8,000 year old Earth.
Sweence 7 months ago
@Sweence natural selection has nothing to do with evolution. It's a red herring construct of the evolutionary community. Actually,natural selection would mitigate against evolution, not in favor of it. As for microbes, antibiotic resistance has nothing to do with mutations (generation of new info). NOTHING! The evolutionary community won't tell you that, because it will simply be another evolutionary construct down the drain (like all the rest have gone). Stop being blindly led!
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 The "Evolutionary Community" is 100% of the peer-reviewed scientists in the world. Put simply, you're very wrong, and we're right. Evolutionary theory is the foundation for the biological sciences just as atomic theory is the basis for Chemistry. You have blind faith in an old magic book that puts a wall up between you and the progress we have made in the last 2000 years. You are severly deluded in your thinking.
Sweence 7 months ago
@Sweence you really should just stop talking. you're making yourself look terrible. There is nothing in Biology based on evolution (with has nothing to do with variation). biological evolution is predicated on two constructs; natural selection, which has nothing to do with speciation (and actually, would mitigate against it), and mutations. However, for evolution to be true, it would be dependent on literally trillions of mutations that increase functional genetic information. NEXT
shopper292 7 months ago
@Sweence given that there is not a single example of that anywhere in history, the entire construct of biological evolution is based on science that is completely devoid of evidence. All you are left with is speculation, faith, a construct based solely on a worldview, and nothing more. Given that every other postulation of evolutionary thought has either been discredited or had better explanations proposed in the Creation model, and evolution is left with nothing. That's your god.
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 You are an idiot. Without evolution, there would be no biology.
Evolution is supported by every piece of relevant data in the scientific literature. There is no theory that explains biology better, and no fact it disagrees with.
Compare that to creationism, which is not supported by ANY evidence, and every testable claim put forth by it's adherents has been proven wrong thousands of times. There is no creation model. It explains nothing because it is nothing.
ThePsychoReturns 7 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns do you realize that there is not a single scientifically factual statement you made in your entire post? Not a single one! But, i do have a question for you. Since Bilogy has been around for several thousand years, and since you content there would be no biology without evolution, (with is perhaps the most ridiculous assertion i've heard yet), how do you explain that biology existed all that time without evolutionary propaganda?
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 Everything I said was accurate.
What passed for biology was an unconnected congregation of ideas before Darwin's theory pulled it all together and made it into a unified scientific field.
ThePsychoReturns 7 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns like i said, there was not a single accurate statement in your entire post! And this response in support of pseudo science isn't accurate either!
shopper292 7 months ago
@shopper292 You don't have an argument. You will only childishly pretend that you're always right and everyone else is always wrong, no matter how obvious the opposite is.
ThePsychoReturns 7 months ago
@ThePsychoReturns there is not a single thing i've said to you that is incorrect. There is also not a single thing i've said to you that you yourself won't also believe. The only question with you is whether it will be before or after you've breathed your last here...
shopper292 7 months ago