People say Moorer took a dive, if Cooney did, they must have paid him a gazillion dollars to take that dive. I'd rather dive from a four storey building than take shots like that.
Holy fuck this guy was a monster. If he would've had at least some of the technique or pure skill that guys like Ali, Holmes, Norton, Holyfield or lewis had he would've been unstoppable. His lack of skills dragged him back but still what an amazing career, gotta love Big George
@Hoolygan4ever hmmm. George was a gold medalist in the olympics. And a world champion. He destroyed Frazier. I think Forman had a lot of technique. When you win a world title at the age he did it is all technique.
I never realized what a big, strong guy Cooney was. Foreman said he had he best left hook of any fighter he ever fought, and that includes Joe Frazier, though this may not be a fair comparison, as Frasier was never able to land his. Anyway, Cooney demonstrates decent ring control in this bout. He's clearly a lanky guy, but he's still big, and his balance looks very good. Amazing punchers, and a perfect knockout by Foreman.
most importantly tysons style plays right into the hands of foreman (similer to fraziers and he was brutalized by foreman)
get close to foreman and sooner or later you WILL eat a big uppercut or hook and foremans were EVIL EVIL punches tyson could not take them but george had a good chance of taking tysons.
also tyson liked to swarm and bully that absolutely would not work against foreman hed get pushed/knocked all round the ring!
I dunno ... it's been impossible for me to have ever been a fan of Cooney because he seems to Constantly being throwing low blows. On 6-11-82, he hit Larry Holmes in the balls at least twice.
@wrey12 I'm a fan. But Tyson fought in an era of no names, no talent. When he did fight quality fighters he lost. He wasn't a smart fighter. In the 60s and 70s the fighting game was huge. I grew up during that time. Foreman was my hero. Fighters had the whole package. They were smart and studied each other. Take Ali. He wasn't in Foreman's league. He knew it. That's when he invented the Rope A Dope. He used Foreman's strengths against him. He outsmarted him. That's what's missing today
@sonnstarr You seem to suggest Ali came up with the rope-a-dope after studying Foreman, as though that was his strategy going into the fight. That's not the case. Ali was planning to stick and move, but, to his credit, Foreman had studied Ali and had learnt how to cut him off. Ali became knackered, and hence was 'forced' to adapt his fight, lying on the ropes only because he was tired. I disagree that Tyson fought no talent, it was just that the 60s and mainly 70s produced some awesome fighters.
@seanofafrica Yes that's what I am saying. According to Angelo Dundee, the idea for the strategy against Foreman was suggested by boxing photographer George Kalinsky, "Sort of a dope on the ropes, letting Foreman swing away, but hitting nothing. They perfected it leading up to the fight. They know it would be hot. It wouldn't take long before Foreman wore himself out. Publicist John Condon later polished the phrase into "rope-a-dope".
@sonnstarr YOU'RE DEAD WRONG. He was a very smart fighter, the real fighter hits hard and avoids getting head hit at the same time. His speed, head movement and timing were amazing. He outsmarted every fighter when he had discipline, trained hard. Look at all of tyson's fights between 84-88. Different fighters studied him and tried all sorts of things, they just got outsmarted. If tyson just kept his discipline, stayed with kevin rooney and avoided king. He'd be the greatest of all time.
@wrey12 Tyson had power. That can only go so far. Buster Douglas was the best fighter he faced to that point. Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis were other examples. They all knocked him out. If the fight lasted 8 or more rounds Tyson was in trouble. In Tyson's career he only KOd a fighter once past the 6th round. He was KOd a total of 5 times in his career. The highly regarded Bleacher Report has released the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all-time. Tyson doesn't make the list.
@sonnstarr You're right about power taking you only so far. But it was tyson's evasive skills and speed that made the difference, not his power. Just watch some of his fights closely against the likes of cply, benjamin, spinks and holmes. Watch the video'tysons incredible defence' right here on yt. For you to understand why tyson lost to douglas and others, it was because he lost his discipline and lost the fighting style that made him world champ. Fact- everyone close to him died before 1990.
@sonnstarr That don king piece of shit manipulated him and made him fire Kevin Rooney. The one guy who kept on top of him and made sure he kept his focus and discipline and also the peek a boo style invented by Tyson's guardian Cus D'amato. All tyson did after firing rooney was party, eat like a pig and instead of training he dehydrated himself to burn fat. He lost to douglas because he was in the worst shape of his life. Head movement and speed was what made Tyson the best. He always had power.
@sonnstarr And once tyson lost his head movement and speed and relied only on power. Good fighters exposed him. His career has been pretty much over since that loss to douglas [Tyson said so himself]. Compare the 84-88 fights to the ones against bruno and douglas. He should've avoided king and stayed with rooney, then he would've broken marciano's record and become the greatest.
@sonnstarr And in his prime 84-88, tyson won quite a few uds against the likes of mitch green etc, he could go the distance and outbox anyone. He was never in tip top shape and ust lost all his speed/evasive skills after 88, firing rooney.
@wrey12 most of tyson's fights 84-88 were against bums. he had trouble against bigger guys who fought back. hence buster douglous winning that '90 fight. same with holyfield and lewis
foreman and liston were doing what tyson did in the 80s, knocking everyone out in 1-2 rds. tyson was good, but vastly overrated by boxing fans. not however, boxing experts..
@DrShittyBottomHammer voted 14th in ring magazine's top heavyweights for one. burt suger, boxing historian has tyson at no100 in his 100 greatest fighters book
Also Tyson lost in his prime to Buster Douglass. Ali was undefeated in his prime (before going to prison). And Ali beat world class talent / future hall of famers in the process. Mike's career pales in comparison in every way. Name 3 hall of famers in their prime that Tyson beat....I'll wait. lol
Mike was in the right era at the right time. He would have gotten chewed out in the late 60s-70s.
@Kingjd87 STFU, TYSON NEVER TRAINED FOR DOUGLAS. DID YOU KNOW DIPSHIT, TYSON WAS 30 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT AND FAT JUST DAYS BEFORE THE DOUGLAS FIGHT. AND DEHYDRATED HIMSELF INSTEAD OF TRAINING HARD FOR DOUGLAS. HE LOST THE ''PEEK A BOO'' STYLE ONCE HE FIRED KEVIN ROONEY, WHO TOOK OVER COMPLETELY AFTER CUS DIED. DON KING RUINED TYSON AND HE JUST PARTIED AND SCREWED AROUND. NEVER TRAINED SERIOUSLY AFTER HE FIRED ROONEY. NO TRAINER COULD HELP HIM AFTER KEVIN. COS ONLY KEVIN KNEW THE STYLE.
Cry me a river bitch. Tying in all caps makes doesn't make you're piece of shit argument any stronger. Tyson has himself to blame for "not training." What's Tyson's excuse for losing to Evander TWICE?? He broke a nail? His dog died? Bottom line is this: Tyson was in a shitty era (mid to lat 80s) then when it picked up a bit (early - mid 90s) he couldn't cope. He DUCKED both Bowe and Foreman and got handled by Holyfield.
@Kingjd87 YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S CRYIN BITCH, WHAT YOUR OVERSENSITIVE NANCY ASS CANT HANDLE SOME CAPS. I DINT EVEN NOTICE I TYPED IN CAPS. The fact is Don king screwed tyson and made him fire rooney and rooney was the only one who kept tyson disciplined and focused. After jimmy jacobs died, he had no one else to guide him and king stepped in and took advantage. Tyson lost to holyfield, yeah holyfield fought a great fight but tyson was past his prime, didnt move his head enough.
@Kingjd87 he got headbutted way too many times and holyfield did it intentionally. Unfair advantage, but tyson showed signs of loss of skill and the style that made him A GOD. He showed it soon after the spinks fight against bruno etc. He didnt duck anyone, just decided to fought holyfield and the second fight holyfield deserved to get his ear bitten off and holyfield should've been dq'ed for those intentional jeadbutts. Mike warned him once, then bit him. Wtf do you know about tyson fool?
Ali would beat the shit outta Mike. Mike always, ALWAYS even when he was young faded after about round 4. Ali got stronger as the fight went along. If Ali could take Shaver's hits, Norton's hits, Foreman's hits, Liston's hits, he sure as hell can take Mike's. Everyone I named would also fuck Mike up. Know you're boxing history, the sport existed well before1985. Young motherfuckers...Tyson was overrated.
Not to start a stupid debate about Ali and Foremann. Ali aside, Foremann was the greatest after him no doubt. 17 more KOs than Marciano. What a machine.
in 1988 tyson wouldve destroyed this old man...the result wouldve been similiar to tyson vs holmes. and larry holmes admitted that the hardest he was ever hit was by tyson
Cooney was such a fluke and a BUM!!!!!He beat a couple of has beens..any heavyweight that gets knocked out by Micheal Spinks, (A light Heavyweigh) is GARBAGE!!!!!!! Great White Joke,I loved when Larry Holmes damn near killed his dumb ass
@nonda1991 cooney did beat a shot lyle and a shot norton, maybe he could beat even a prime norton because styles make fights.. but a a prime lyle 75-76? no fucking way, the lyle who fought cooney was old, he weighed 211 pathetic pounds of fat, the lyle who faced foreman weighed 220 pounds of pure muscle and aggressive animal. lyle 75--76 would ko gerry cooney for sure
@fadethetrade "combates boxeo is actually a schmuck comparing lyle with a classic tyson,DICK!"
congratulations , finally you did show the infantile and ignorant fanboy who you are, your points are horrible, you did not use any logic or any objectivity, you are saying that tyson would ko foreman basing on the fight with lyle, ron lyle did not have the style of tyson ,lyle had more hear than tyson, he was much taller and he had longer reach than tyson
@fadethetrade you used the example of the best version of tyson (physically and mentally) and you compares him with a bad version of george, then i could compare the foreman who fought norton with the tyson of the fight with douglas , right? kid you have no credibility, i exposed you.
foreman was retired in 1977 because he got frustrated , he knew that this era 1977-84 was dominated by stylists like young or larry holmes, it is the motive because foreman did not come back in the early 80s, but then mike tyson a new short puncher got the belt, it was the opportunity of foreman, he was pretty sure to beat mike tyson, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!!!!
the tyson fans can´t take the facts, george foreman destroys mike tyson any day in anytime. PERIOD
@combatesdeboxeo there is no facts as to who would win out of george and mike only peoples opinions bro, remember anything can happen in the ring when you have guys like tyson and foreman banging, i see it as a true 50/50 fight and i wouldn't be suprised if any guy won bcos both are very capable of giving each other hell, people look to much into the frazier fights when deciding who would win and i know that the fight would be nothing like that
@28rampage of course!!! it is about opinions!!! i agree with you on it, but my opinion is the next, george foreman was pretty sure to beat tyson(of course it does not prove the he would win 100%) , i think that young fighters like bowe or lewis would beat old foreman because the styles,(not a prime foreman), the old foreman 93-97 was too old, too fat to beat tyson, but even the old version 89-91 of george would be a nightmare even for a prime tyson. i think that tyson knows it
@28rampage and i agree on it as well, a good lucky right hand from tyson could hurt anyone!!! yes!! , but i think that guys like frazier,dempsey,marciano and tyson were perfect for george the very strong mummy ;)
@combatesdeboxeo .Lyle had foreman(IN HIS PRIME) falling all over from ONE right hand!FOreman,as in tyson NEVER faced a classic killer tyson before either.How would foreman react to a tyson atttack that would be easy as pie for tson to find a lumbering stand up foreman who never held anyone in his life,never had to but against a tyson missile attack,who knows.The key is tyson would find foreman easier to hit then the other way around.Tyson was a great elusive fighter at 21 as well
@fadethetrade LMAO!!!!! "Lyle had foreman(IN HIS PRIME) falling all over from ONE right hand!FOreman"
"TYson past his mental prime took 18 rounds of ruddock"
WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP.. SORRY YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, YOU SAID THAT TYSON WAS PAST HIS PRIME WHEN HE FACED RUDDOCK(THE TYPICAL EXCUSE OF THE TYSON FANS, , WHEN HE LOST OR HE FOUGHT A HARD FIGHT HE WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT HE WAS IN HIS ABSOLUTE PRIME PHYSICALLY, HE WAS IN HIS EARLY 20S)
@combatesdeboxeo you dont understand his mental and physical ability as a 21 yr old training 10 hrs a day 7 days a week,after 1989 he only trained 2 weeks for fights and fought every once a year,before 1989,he was fighting every 3 months,you're a fool
@fadethetrade You use the term " past his prime mentally " adapting it to the convenience of tyson but when foreman was bad mentally you ignore this term with foreman, you are not objective
@fadethetrade FOREMAN WAS DEPRESSED AND FINISHED MENTALLY POST ALI HE WAS DEPRESSED( WHO WAS WITH DOCTORS) AND YOU SAY THAT TYSON WAS PAST HIS PRIME MENTALLY BUT FOREMAN WAS IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE FACED LYLE(NO OBJECTIVITY), AFTER ALL, IF THEY BOTH WERE BAD MENTALLY, FOREMAN WON BY KO AGAINST LYLE IN 5 ROUNDS AND HE LOST BY DECISION AGAINST JIMMY YOUNG (A FIGHTER WHO WAS STOLEN AGAINST ALI,NORTON AND SHAVERS) LYLE AND YOUNG WERE BY FAR BETTER THAN RUDDOCK AND BUSTER DOUGLAS
@combatesdeboxeo again,you're a fool.The point is tyson landing his 6 inch hooks in the first round on easy to hit stand up foreman. and eluding foreman enough to hurt george as lyle HURT GEORGE,HE WASNT A GOD!HE GOT HURT WHEN HIT CLEANLY.
@fadethetrade hey your back LOL well at least we can agree that Tyson had a good chance against foreman in their primes. if Tyson get foreman hurt like lyle did he finishes him off
@combatesdeboxeo Tyson was no way as hurt as foreman was. foreman was out and lyle couldn't finish him off. Tyson crushes him. Tyson chin is underrated. he can take a big punch. one good punch doesn't do it against Tyson
@kingzula lmao because ron lyle was 100 times the fighter who was the bum frank bruno, lyle had a chin to take a beating and to continue fighting, bruno had a glass chin, george foreman had a better chin than tyson, and again you are comparing the foreman who fought lyle with peak tyson, foreman was depressed and he was still fighting he was mentally finished post ali, so ok, buster douglas knocked PRIME tyson out, so foreman would kill tyson,PERIOD
@combatesdeboxeo "lyle was 100 times the fighter" not! no i'm comparing prime Foreman with prime Tyson. lyle ad a ok chin and should have finished of foreman who was out on his feet. lyle had absolutely no defense. foreman never really recovered in that fight and was wobbly thru out the fight. Tyson was also depressed had many personal problems when he lost to Douglas and Douglas was in great shape and had good skills. like i said before their careers are similar Tyson has a good chance.
@kingzula" not! no i'm comparing prime Foreman with prime Tyson"
no!! you are comparing peak tyson 86-88 with foreman 76(lyle version), if you use the example lyle(anyway horrible because lyle was nothing like tyson, he was much bigger) then i will use the example buster douglas who was a light puncher compared with george foreman
@combatesdeboxeo douglas(when in shape) was better than lyle. you like to use Frazier as an example, even though he was coming off a grueling, mentally and physically draining fight with Ali. Frazier had to be hospitalized after the Ali fight and then fights Foreman. Ali a light hitting heavyweight ko'd both foreman and lyle. lyle was taller but not bigger than Tyson. Douglas hit much harder than Ali and Tyson took many punches. tyson has agood chance against foreman.
@king lyle was better than any version of douglas, TOKYO douglas is a product of the excuse of the tyson fans, they insinuates that douglas was a super fighter to excuse the defeat of tyson, the truth is that buster douglas was always the same bucket of garbage, in tokyo,madrid,pekin new york or in the moon, simply tyson was in horrible shape this night, holyfield exposed the bum who was douglas, ron lyle was bigger than tyson, tyson was packed of muscle but lyle had bigger frame
@kingzula "Ali a light hitting heavyweight ko'd both foreman and lyle"
it is probably on of the dumbest anb ignorant comment ever, it show your poor Knowledge about boxing, george foreman and ton lyle took the best shots from ali in the early rounds, simply they got tired , it was not because the hitting power of ali, foreman took shots from hader punchers than ali in norton,frazier,cooney,holyfield,lyle,morrison....
@kingzula the example of frazier is perfect because it was mentally a prime foreman, not the lyle version. actually tyson was not very different physically than frazier, the versions of frazier who fought foreman weighed 214 and 224 pounds in 5´11 of height, and foreman did move frazier like a toy, he would do the same thing with tyson(who was not specially strong, big muscles is not =great functional physical strength , tyson was handled easily in the clinch by weaker men than foreman
@kingzula "Frazier had to be hospitalized after the Ali fight and then fights Foreman"
because frazier could take a beating and to continue fighting . plain and simple i would like to see tyson vs ali and foreman... if he got knocked out by a bum imagines him in a ring with a good version of ali and foreman
@combatesdeboxeo i think Douglas would have beat a lot of fighters that night. Tyson doesnt beat Ali.so whats your point?foreman couldnt take a beating from the light hitting Ali and was knocked down by an even lighter hitting Jimmy Young. Tyson(in his prime)had good defense and would be capable of hurting foreman even more than lyle did. and Tyson chin would be good enough to take foreman shots for a while. a big puncher like Tyson could hurt foreman. Tyson has a good chance.
@kingzula "foreman couldnt take a beating from the light hitting Ali and was knocked down by an even lighter hitting Jimmy Young"
again the same horrible point... ali and jimmy young were stylists with great defence and great chin, foreman always had problems with stylists but he destroy punchers, foreman never was down because the "great punch" of jimmy young or ali, he was tired, very different, basing on his styles tyson never would survive long time against foreman
@kin "and Tyson chin would be good enough to take foreman shots for a while. a big puncher like Tyson could hurt foreman."
tyson was hurt by bruno,past prime holyfield,douglas,tucker,past prime lewis or kevin mcbride(does not matter if he was old against mc bride, old foreman took a beating by a peak holyfield). tyson had a decent chin but foreman had a better chin than tyson, foreman never was hurt early except by lyle , ron lyle was rated by shavers like the 3 hardest puncher ever
@kingzula and foreman was dropped he got up and he won the fight by ko even when he was not in his mentally prime, tyson never got up and won a fight, so foreman was by far more proved, foreman could be hurt by tyson and he would be mentally strong to take it and win the fight, tyson would be hurt by foreman and he would get finished mentally, the mental factor would be very important.
@kingzula "a big puncher like Tyson could hurt foreman"
well, it is the only one decent comment from you, of course tyson and foreman could hurt anyone because foreman is top 2 hardest puncher and tyson top 5. but MY POINT IS THAT TYSON IS TOO SHORT TO HIT FOREMAN CLEANLY IN THE FACE, FOREMAN PUSHED BACK SHORT GUYS, I AM NOT SAYING THAT TYSON DID NOT HAVE THE HITTING POWER, I AM SAYING THAT HE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS TO USE HIS HITTING POWER AGAINST FOREMAN.
@combatesdeboxeo tyson hits just as hard as foreman. Tyson would not just walk in to Foreman. Tyson would jab his way in. Foreman defense is not good enough to block all of Tyson punches. once again using Frazier is a bad example. all of Tyson opponents were much taller than him. Tyson was also physically strong. Tyson also had good boxing skills.to say that foreman would just wipe the floor with Tyson is ridicules. Tyson vs Foreman would be exciting and the winner is uncertain.
@combatesdeboxeo jimmy young had a good chin. are you kidding??lol. jimmy young was all defense and was one of the lighter hitting HW of all time. Douglas was as skilled as any HW of his era. what he lacked was commitment. he was 6ft 4inch. 230lbs(in shape). he was a big strong guy. foreman actually stayed away from the big punchers after lyle. your basing all your assessments on foreman-Frazier. which for many reasons is a bad example. Frazier was never the same after the first fight with Ali.
@kingzula Tyson will knockout Ali with ease. Tyson was second to none. His footwork was just as great as Ali without the flashy moves. Tyson does everything better besides Ali's footwork and Foreman's power. Rope a dope and a powerful haymaker is useless against a Prime Tyson. There was no escape against a 1986 Tyson with D'amato still alive, Richard Steele as the ref, and Don king and woman controversies out of his life.
Dude u MUST be crazy...i was a huuuuge Tyson fan and im from NY so i support Mike all day..but i was a huuuge Ali fan too cos that dude could not be beaten in his PRIME..an older Ali vs younger tyson, maybe Tyson has a chance but then Ali was sly...depenmds what age I am talking about..but a prime Ali vs a Prime Tyson..OMG, not even close..why do you think the critics drool over how great ALI was..he was so quick...jabs would destroy anyone...
Ali embarassed anyone..mentally got to anyone..he fought Sonny Liston who was Mike tYson before Mike Tyson (had even a harder jab than Mike) and Ali walked over him twice...Ive seen all the films of Ali and Tyson...Tyson had problems will taller guys who could BOX! Didnt u see the Tucker/Tyson fight in the 80s..Mike barely won that..talk about the GOAT in ALI? He would eat Tyson..Tyson's game is to intimidate..shooo, Ali was the king of that..he's make Mike cry lol
@combatesdeboxeo TYson past his mental prime took 18 rounds of ruddock left smashes thaat almost killed bonecrusher and dokes,thats a strong enough chin for my books against a formeman,at least enough to get his shots in.My points are very valid and strong.
@combatesdeboxeo yeah bro but the big difference between all the guys you mention is tysons defence, of course if tyson had no head movement like those guys i would agree and say foreman would obliterate tyson but i think the defence of tyson would be the key to him having a great chance in the fight, i think prime tyson,foreman and ali would be the 3 hardest guys to beat when they are fighting at 100%, in reality all 3 only ever beat themselves when you think about it, i mean..
when foreman lost to ali he was to over confident in his own power he thought he could just bang away and eventually his man would fall and this alone was his downfall vs ali, ali when he lost to frazier never gave the proper respect to joe and came in the wrong frame of mind for a machine like joe, tyson after he became famous was always going to slip up after having so many easy fights he took his eye off the prize and when facing a journeyman like buster how can you..
prepare mentally if you are expected to ko this guy in 1-2rds and he just wasn't prepared for what buster brought that night and got his ass kicked big time... that's what i believe anyway bro
@28rampage i agree in every word that you said, i can talk with you because obviously you know your boxing, you don´t use shits like " foreman was in his absolute prime against lyle but tyson was past his prime against douglas". i agree, i think that a motivated tyson 88 would ko douglas, no question about, simply i said that this guy was not talking with objectivity, and i agree this point is very valid, tyson had a better move of head and he had faster hands from any angle
@28rampage but tyson was nothing like lyle, the point is that ron lyle had a longer reach than tyson it is because he did catch foreman, yes, tyson was faster but he was also shorter
the only truth is that foreman called out tyson 100 times but tyson ignored foreman and tyson faced a finished shot stylist like larry holmes who was not even a top contender and was retired since 1986,but tyson did ignore foreman because tyson was not dumb, he knew the arte of the boxing and the styles, cus damato told tyson that his style would be a suicide against george foreman.
@combatesdeboxeo who actually said cus said that to tyson bro? bcos i just think it's weird that a teacher as great as cus would try to install negative thoughts in his fighters mind?
george later acknoledged cooney as a very hard puncher, to bad cooney didnt have "IT" . when George fought Lyle boxing up on his toes he was very ali like
One of the great setups in history! Cooney already got ko'd early by a 175 pounder blown up to heavyweight,spinks.,tyson ko'd spinks in 90 seconds.cooney was the biggest fraud in heavyweight history.Foreman would have lost to tyson in this period regardless if tyson ducked him or tyson lost to douglas.A foreman /tyson fight would be in tysons favor becasue he would get off first.
@fadethetrade horrible points, because styles make fights, does not matter if tyson destroyed spinks, tyson had the perfect style to destroy spinks, foreman was the nightmare of tyson, foreman would ko tyson in 2 rounds, i would pick even old foreman 90-91 to destroy prime tyson, foreman was bigger,stronger, he had better chin, he was mentally stronger as well, and he did hit harder, ali and larry holmes would outpoint foreman, george destroys tyson.
@combatesdeboxeo My point is that Lyle hurt and should have ko'd foreman if lyle was a better finisher as tyson of 21 yrs old was.Tyson would have been ready since he and cus watched foreman together every night in 1984.Foremans claim to fame was koing two guys who were more suseptible for 2 round ko then a prime classi 21 yr old tyson was,frazier wasa notoriously slow starter and ALWAYS lost the first few rounds,norton couldnt handle anyone with a punch
@fadethetrade MIKE TYSON WAS NOTHING LIKE LYLE, RON LYLE WAS A BOXER PUNCHER WITH LONG REACH, TYSON WAS A SHORT PUNCHER, LYLE WAS 6´3 AND TYSON 5´10, HORRIBLE POINT
@combatesdeboxeo Easy point,tyson finds foreman in the first 30 to 60 seconds,COmparing ron lyle with a classic tyson who defended his title 8 times before his 22nds birthday.you're an idiot,Actually!
@fadethetrade "COmparing ron lyle with a classic tyson who defended his title 8 times before his 22nds birthday.you're an idiot,Actually!"
actually ron lyle was better than ruddock ,james smith,james tillis or buster douglas and all them were competent against tyson, ron lyle did put down twice to a young george foreman, peak holyfield,tommy morrison, alex stewart, gerry cooney... no of these hard punchers could knock down even old foreman, ron lyle gave a great fight to ali
@fadethetrade ron lyle won the olimpic gold medal , tyson never did, even larry holmes never did, ron lyle destroyed earnie shavers, earnie shavers fought a great fight against peak larry holmes, ron lyle did beat oscar bonavena, joe bugner,jimmy ellis... ron lyle did his pro debut in his 30s. ken norton avoided ron lyle like pest. actually you know shit about ron lyle
Tyson was pretty overrated imo. He was knocking out bums man. His camp outright refused to fight 40 something year old Foreman. They knew Mike would lose. Especially after his Buster Douglass performance they knew Mike would lose. Foreman was like Douglass X5 even at 40.
@Kingjd87 Knocking out bums? Your joking right? Most of the bums he was fighting also had numerous wins all by KO. Your just riding on old school boxers. There was no boxer like Tyson. He was better than Ali, everything better except the footwork and not by much.
Tyson's camp best move was to not fight George. George was the hardest puncher EVER. Hands of stone NO more like punches of sledge hammers . The mans arms weighed 30lbs
Your right!! Tyson KNEW he could never have beaten Big George. Tyson was nothing more than a front-running bully. As soon as you hit him back he starts bitin. George would have walked all over Tyson..even at this late stage. And it also goes to show how good the quality of hvyweights in Foremans era.
@mmttomb3 It was the best ere ever of HW's . Skilled Boxers and Punchers each fighting more than 1 or 2 x per year. Ali stood out and for my money the best ever. His best years taken away, he doesn't pout, he got hungrier to prove he was the best. No fighter has done more for the sport than Ali.
Oh my god 7.38, The Ref never even started a count, He stopped the fight before cooney even hit the deck! No wonder he ain't been seen for years, hes only just woke up!
@Kingjd87 Not to sure about that.Tyson was still a 90 second bombout fighter who would have found foreman very easy in the first round.Foreman needs 2 rounds.Tysons fast start might discombobulate foreman and allow tyson to land his 6 inch hooks on a foreman who never had holding experience and tieing experience becaue foreman never needed to!
@Kingjd87 Very possible at this stage, and he could definitely beat him when he was in his prime. Would have toyed with Tyson like he did with Frazier and Norton.
actually i think that this version f foreman did hit harder than shavers, and he was much stronger, with a sturdy chin, shavers had a great right hand but is is all, glass chin... foreman would rape shavers easy and early
George is WIDE open for a left hook when he slaps that bear pawing right @ 7:13 just before he nails him with the left uppercut that effectively ends it...Cooney was shot here and just a sitting duck
NOBODY beats George trying to brawl with him. Ali and Morrison won because they outboxed him, they didn't get stupid and try to stand toe to toe. Moorer lost because he stood in front of him. Cooney didn't have the skills or style to have a chance against George, he's a slugger but wasn't powerful enough to hurt George, but then again I don't know if there has ever been a fighter powerful enough to really hurt George.
after what cooney did 2 norton, i have no sympathy 4 him
sliat1981 1 day ago
I love how Foreman just walks in there and throws an uppercut like its nothing
masterknaster 2 days ago
That's... my favorite knock-out of all time.
rikk60 2 days ago
Boom boom OUT!
philscafe 4 days ago
That was boxing...
Respects for Cooney 'cause Big George was a bulldozer and all his opponents can't say they stood on the ring more time...
gauth44 4 days ago
@gauth44 I know! George was a fuckin wrecking house
SickAudi 1 day ago
People say Moorer took a dive, if Cooney did, they must have paid him a gazillion dollars to take that dive. I'd rather dive from a four storey building than take shots like that.
Maxshard 5 days ago
Holy fuck this guy was a monster. If he would've had at least some of the technique or pure skill that guys like Ali, Holmes, Norton, Holyfield or lewis had he would've been unstoppable. His lack of skills dragged him back but still what an amazing career, gotta love Big George
Hoolygan4ever 1 week ago
@Hoolygan4ever hmmm. George was a gold medalist in the olympics. And a world champion. He destroyed Frazier. I think Forman had a lot of technique. When you win a world title at the age he did it is all technique.
mixmastermeeks 1 week ago
I never realized what a big, strong guy Cooney was. Foreman said he had he best left hook of any fighter he ever fought, and that includes Joe Frazier, though this may not be a fair comparison, as Frasier was never able to land his. Anyway, Cooney demonstrates decent ring control in this bout. He's clearly a lanky guy, but he's still big, and his balance looks very good. Amazing punchers, and a perfect knockout by Foreman.
tommypickles7 1 week ago
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65-2 After this fight :)
turk0571 1 week ago
@turk0571 That's scary lol. He went from knockin people's grills out to sellin em. Lol
moonreaper66 1 week ago
64-2?! God DAMN!
moonreaper66 1 week ago
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turk0571 1 week ago
@moonreaper66 And half of those loses was to Ali.
Bigrobkerr 4 hours ago
George still had great punching power in his second time around in his career
genimp1 2 weeks ago
most importantly tysons style plays right into the hands of foreman (similer to fraziers and he was brutalized by foreman)
get close to foreman and sooner or later you WILL eat a big uppercut or hook and foremans were EVIL EVIL punches tyson could not take them but george had a good chance of taking tysons.
also tyson liked to swarm and bully that absolutely would not work against foreman hed get pushed/knocked all round the ring!
imho foreman (young or old) in 3
either way it would be short
eatthisvr6 2 weeks ago
foreman had more power than tyson (both awesome in that regard)
foreman had a better chin than tyson (slightly debatable but he did get hit fucking hard without going down)
tyson was MUCH faster than foreman
tyson was more accurate than foreman with his fantastic combos
tyson had better defence than foreman (foreman never NEEDED defense lol)
foreman had MUCH more heart than tyson ( ie he got back up on the rare occasion he got knocked down)
most importanltly
eatthisvr6 2 weeks ago
ITS SUCH A SHAME THAT FOREMAN VS TYSON DIDN'T HAPPEN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT FIGHT!!!
truebeliever786 2 weeks ago
Cooney beat an old, should have retired Ken Norton and suddenly he was the "Great White Hope"?! Larry Holmes took his ass to school!
justentime77 2 weeks ago
Take Sominex tonight and sleep, safe and restful sleep, sleep sleeeeeeep.
gfine2000 3 weeks ago
George Foreman said Gerry Cooney was the hardest puncher he faced. >_>
necrom21221 3 weeks ago
@necrom21221 He was just being nice.
Bulwark1911 2 weeks ago
@necrom21221 when? where?
DrShittyBottomHammer 2 weeks ago
I'm really surprised Gerry Cooney managed to get up after the first knockdown. Say what you want about him, but he sure could take a punch!
danning1 3 weeks ago
foreman walks in like a boss and ko's him
LiighTBLAZE 3 weeks ago
This is what happens when you are hurt and you expect a big right hand...and your opponent throws a left uppercut.
mapache11 3 weeks ago
I think Glass Joe from Mike Tyson's Punch Out was based on Cooney.
toucansam3 3 weeks ago
@toucansam3 who is Glass joe?
AAOAA100 2 weeks ago
@AAOAA100 What is "Google"?
toucansam3 2 weeks ago
I dunno ... it's been impossible for me to have ever been a fan of Cooney because he seems to Constantly being throwing low blows. On 6-11-82, he hit Larry Holmes in the balls at least twice.
groofoot 3 weeks ago
just walks in an nonchalantly throws that left uppercut. gansta as hell
DarkTerror98 1 month ago
In his prime, MIKE TYSON was the best fighter ever, the perfect fighter. Hit and not get hit.
wrey12 1 month ago
@wrey12 I'm a fan. But Tyson fought in an era of no names, no talent. When he did fight quality fighters he lost. He wasn't a smart fighter. In the 60s and 70s the fighting game was huge. I grew up during that time. Foreman was my hero. Fighters had the whole package. They were smart and studied each other. Take Ali. He wasn't in Foreman's league. He knew it. That's when he invented the Rope A Dope. He used Foreman's strengths against him. He outsmarted him. That's what's missing today
sonnstarr 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr You seem to suggest Ali came up with the rope-a-dope after studying Foreman, as though that was his strategy going into the fight. That's not the case. Ali was planning to stick and move, but, to his credit, Foreman had studied Ali and had learnt how to cut him off. Ali became knackered, and hence was 'forced' to adapt his fight, lying on the ropes only because he was tired. I disagree that Tyson fought no talent, it was just that the 60s and mainly 70s produced some awesome fighters.
seanofafrica 3 weeks ago
@seanofafrica Yes that's what I am saying. According to Angelo Dundee, the idea for the strategy against Foreman was suggested by boxing photographer George Kalinsky, "Sort of a dope on the ropes, letting Foreman swing away, but hitting nothing. They perfected it leading up to the fight. They know it would be hot. It wouldn't take long before Foreman wore himself out. Publicist John Condon later polished the phrase into "rope-a-dope".
sonnstarr 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr YOU'RE DEAD WRONG. He was a very smart fighter, the real fighter hits hard and avoids getting head hit at the same time. His speed, head movement and timing were amazing. He outsmarted every fighter when he had discipline, trained hard. Look at all of tyson's fights between 84-88. Different fighters studied him and tried all sorts of things, they just got outsmarted. If tyson just kept his discipline, stayed with kevin rooney and avoided king. He'd be the greatest of all time.
wrey12 3 weeks ago
@wrey12 Tyson had power. That can only go so far. Buster Douglas was the best fighter he faced to that point. Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis were other examples. They all knocked him out. If the fight lasted 8 or more rounds Tyson was in trouble. In Tyson's career he only KOd a fighter once past the 6th round. He was KOd a total of 5 times in his career. The highly regarded Bleacher Report has released the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all-time. Tyson doesn't make the list.
sonnstarr 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr You're right about power taking you only so far. But it was tyson's evasive skills and speed that made the difference, not his power. Just watch some of his fights closely against the likes of cply, benjamin, spinks and holmes. Watch the video'tysons incredible defence' right here on yt. For you to understand why tyson lost to douglas and others, it was because he lost his discipline and lost the fighting style that made him world champ. Fact- everyone close to him died before 1990.
wrey12 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr That don king piece of shit manipulated him and made him fire Kevin Rooney. The one guy who kept on top of him and made sure he kept his focus and discipline and also the peek a boo style invented by Tyson's guardian Cus D'amato. All tyson did after firing rooney was party, eat like a pig and instead of training he dehydrated himself to burn fat. He lost to douglas because he was in the worst shape of his life. Head movement and speed was what made Tyson the best. He always had power.
wrey12 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr And once tyson lost his head movement and speed and relied only on power. Good fighters exposed him. His career has been pretty much over since that loss to douglas [Tyson said so himself]. Compare the 84-88 fights to the ones against bruno and douglas. He should've avoided king and stayed with rooney, then he would've broken marciano's record and become the greatest.
wrey12 3 weeks ago
@wrey12 Kevin Rooney was a fine trainer.
sonnstarr 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr yeah he was. that all you got in your argument?
wrey12 3 weeks ago
@wrey12 I'm not arguing. I agree with you. Kevin Rooney was a fine trainer.
sonnstarr 3 weeks ago
@sonnstarr And in his prime 84-88, tyson won quite a few uds against the likes of mitch green etc, he could go the distance and outbox anyone. He was never in tip top shape and ust lost all his speed/evasive skills after 88, firing rooney.
wrey12 3 weeks ago
@wrey12 most of tyson's fights 84-88 were against bums. he had trouble against bigger guys who fought back. hence buster douglous winning that '90 fight. same with holyfield and lewis
foreman and liston were doing what tyson did in the 80s, knocking everyone out in 1-2 rds. tyson was good, but vastly overrated by boxing fans. not however, boxing experts..
ronan5547 3 weeks ago
@ronan5547 experts? name them.
DrShittyBottomHammer 2 weeks ago
@DrShittyBottomHammer voted 14th in ring magazine's top heavyweights for one. burt suger, boxing historian has tyson at no100 in his 100 greatest fighters book
ronan5547 2 weeks ago
Also Tyson lost in his prime to Buster Douglass. Ali was undefeated in his prime (before going to prison). And Ali beat world class talent / future hall of famers in the process. Mike's career pales in comparison in every way. Name 3 hall of famers in their prime that Tyson beat....I'll wait. lol
Mike was in the right era at the right time. He would have gotten chewed out in the late 60s-70s.
Kingjd87 1 month ago
@Kingjd87 STFU, TYSON NEVER TRAINED FOR DOUGLAS. DID YOU KNOW DIPSHIT, TYSON WAS 30 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT AND FAT JUST DAYS BEFORE THE DOUGLAS FIGHT. AND DEHYDRATED HIMSELF INSTEAD OF TRAINING HARD FOR DOUGLAS. HE LOST THE ''PEEK A BOO'' STYLE ONCE HE FIRED KEVIN ROONEY, WHO TOOK OVER COMPLETELY AFTER CUS DIED. DON KING RUINED TYSON AND HE JUST PARTIED AND SCREWED AROUND. NEVER TRAINED SERIOUSLY AFTER HE FIRED ROONEY. NO TRAINER COULD HELP HIM AFTER KEVIN. COS ONLY KEVIN KNEW THE STYLE.
wrey12 1 month ago
@wrey12
Cry me a river bitch. Tying in all caps makes doesn't make you're piece of shit argument any stronger. Tyson has himself to blame for "not training." What's Tyson's excuse for losing to Evander TWICE?? He broke a nail? His dog died? Bottom line is this: Tyson was in a shitty era (mid to lat 80s) then when it picked up a bit (early - mid 90s) he couldn't cope. He DUCKED both Bowe and Foreman and got handled by Holyfield.
Kingjd87 1 month ago
@Kingjd87 YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S CRYIN BITCH, WHAT YOUR OVERSENSITIVE NANCY ASS CANT HANDLE SOME CAPS. I DINT EVEN NOTICE I TYPED IN CAPS. The fact is Don king screwed tyson and made him fire rooney and rooney was the only one who kept tyson disciplined and focused. After jimmy jacobs died, he had no one else to guide him and king stepped in and took advantage. Tyson lost to holyfield, yeah holyfield fought a great fight but tyson was past his prime, didnt move his head enough.
wrey12 1 month ago
@Kingjd87 he got headbutted way too many times and holyfield did it intentionally. Unfair advantage, but tyson showed signs of loss of skill and the style that made him A GOD. He showed it soon after the spinks fight against bruno etc. He didnt duck anyone, just decided to fought holyfield and the second fight holyfield deserved to get his ear bitten off and holyfield should've been dq'ed for those intentional jeadbutts. Mike warned him once, then bit him. Wtf do you know about tyson fool?
wrey12 1 month ago
@wrey12 i know tyson did duck foreman
eatthisvr6 2 weeks ago
@eatthisvr6 no he didn't
JoeyPencils 1 week ago
@JoeyPencilswho didn't what?
eatthisvr6 1 week ago
@eatthisvr6 duck foreman
JoeyPencils 1 week ago
@JoeyPencils yes he did there's plenty of evidence
eatthisvr6 1 week ago
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Ali would beat the shit outta Mike. Mike always, ALWAYS even when he was young faded after about round 4. Ali got stronger as the fight went along. If Ali could take Shaver's hits, Norton's hits, Foreman's hits, Liston's hits, he sure as hell can take Mike's. Everyone I named would also fuck Mike up. Know you're boxing history, the sport existed well before1985. Young motherfuckers...Tyson was overrated.
Kingjd87 1 month ago
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Kingjd87 1 month ago
George was really at his best here. Thats a frightening knockout
jbsmarcus 1 month ago
i didn't know george clooney was a boxer..
bosefffis 1 month ago
I love Mike Tyson....but i really hate the tyson boys always saying that Tyson would beat foreman...go ask Tyson himself...
Will84ABA 1 month ago 2
"Lets see if he's learned antyhing about how to survive"
walks chin first into george's upper cut
guess not.
equalcharliebrown 1 month ago
Conney was driving a Ferrari last time I saw him in Arlington VA... circa 1998
GenerationKill001 1 month ago
Not to start a stupid debate about Ali and Foremann. Ali aside, Foremann was the greatest after him no doubt. 17 more KOs than Marciano. What a machine.
Seguris 1 month ago
in 1988 tyson wouldve destroyed this old man...the result wouldve been similiar to tyson vs holmes. and larry holmes admitted that the hardest he was ever hit was by tyson
Uprising771 1 month ago
22 years ago... feck!
mr2gti 1 month ago
Cooney really sucks.
knockup100 1 month ago
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LedWilde 1 month ago
Cooney was such a fluke and a BUM!!!!!He beat a couple of has beens..any heavyweight that gets knocked out by Micheal Spinks, (A light Heavyweigh) is GARBAGE!!!!!!! Great White Joke,I loved when Larry Holmes damn near killed his dumb ass
DaGrizzla 1 month ago
Thumbs up if you think Cooney is a wannabe punk
djk28161 1 month ago
@djk28161 he beat Ken Norton and Ron Lyle....
nonda1991 1 month ago
@nonda1991 cooney did beat a shot lyle and a shot norton, maybe he could beat even a prime norton because styles make fights.. but a a prime lyle 75-76? no fucking way, the lyle who fought cooney was old, he weighed 211 pathetic pounds of fat, the lyle who faced foreman weighed 220 pounds of pure muscle and aggressive animal. lyle 75--76 would ko gerry cooney for sure
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
combates boxeo is actually a schmuck comparing lyle with a classic tyson,DICK!
fadethetrade 1 month ago
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@fadethetrade "combates boxeo is actually a schmuck comparing lyle with a classic tyson,DICK!"
congratulations , finally you did show the infantile and ignorant fanboy who you are, your points are horrible, you did not use any logic or any objectivity, you are saying that tyson would ko foreman basing on the fight with lyle, ron lyle did not have the style of tyson ,lyle had more hear than tyson, he was much taller and he had longer reach than tyson
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@fadethetrade you used the example of the best version of tyson (physically and mentally) and you compares him with a bad version of george, then i could compare the foreman who fought norton with the tyson of the fight with douglas , right? kid you have no credibility, i exposed you.
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
foreman was retired in 1977 because he got frustrated , he knew that this era 1977-84 was dominated by stylists like young or larry holmes, it is the motive because foreman did not come back in the early 80s, but then mike tyson a new short puncher got the belt, it was the opportunity of foreman, he was pretty sure to beat mike tyson, STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!!!!
the tyson fans can´t take the facts, george foreman destroys mike tyson any day in anytime. PERIOD
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo there is no facts as to who would win out of george and mike only peoples opinions bro, remember anything can happen in the ring when you have guys like tyson and foreman banging, i see it as a true 50/50 fight and i wouldn't be suprised if any guy won bcos both are very capable of giving each other hell, people look to much into the frazier fights when deciding who would win and i know that the fight would be nothing like that
28rampage 1 month ago
@28rampage of course!!! it is about opinions!!! i agree with you on it, but my opinion is the next, george foreman was pretty sure to beat tyson(of course it does not prove the he would win 100%) , i think that young fighters like bowe or lewis would beat old foreman because the styles,(not a prime foreman), the old foreman 93-97 was too old, too fat to beat tyson, but even the old version 89-91 of george would be a nightmare even for a prime tyson. i think that tyson knows it
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@28rampage and i agree on it as well, a good lucky right hand from tyson could hurt anyone!!! yes!! , but i think that guys like frazier,dempsey,marciano and tyson were perfect for george the very strong mummy ;)
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo .Lyle had foreman(IN HIS PRIME) falling all over from ONE right hand!FOreman,as in tyson NEVER faced a classic killer tyson before either.How would foreman react to a tyson atttack that would be easy as pie for tson to find a lumbering stand up foreman who never held anyone in his life,never had to but against a tyson missile attack,who knows.The key is tyson would find foreman easier to hit then the other way around.Tyson was a great elusive fighter at 21 as well
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@fadethetrade LMAO!!!!! "Lyle had foreman(IN HIS PRIME) falling all over from ONE right hand!FOreman"
"TYson past his mental prime took 18 rounds of ruddock"
WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP.. SORRY YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, YOU SAID THAT TYSON WAS PAST HIS PRIME WHEN HE FACED RUDDOCK(THE TYPICAL EXCUSE OF THE TYSON FANS, , WHEN HE LOST OR HE FOUGHT A HARD FIGHT HE WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT HE WAS IN HIS ABSOLUTE PRIME PHYSICALLY, HE WAS IN HIS EARLY 20S)
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo you dont understand his mental and physical ability as a 21 yr old training 10 hrs a day 7 days a week,after 1989 he only trained 2 weeks for fights and fought every once a year,before 1989,he was fighting every 3 months,you're a fool
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@fadethetrade You use the term " past his prime mentally " adapting it to the convenience of tyson but when foreman was bad mentally you ignore this term with foreman, you are not objective
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@fadethetrade FOREMAN WAS DEPRESSED AND FINISHED MENTALLY POST ALI HE WAS DEPRESSED( WHO WAS WITH DOCTORS) AND YOU SAY THAT TYSON WAS PAST HIS PRIME MENTALLY BUT FOREMAN WAS IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE FACED LYLE(NO OBJECTIVITY), AFTER ALL, IF THEY BOTH WERE BAD MENTALLY, FOREMAN WON BY KO AGAINST LYLE IN 5 ROUNDS AND HE LOST BY DECISION AGAINST JIMMY YOUNG (A FIGHTER WHO WAS STOLEN AGAINST ALI,NORTON AND SHAVERS) LYLE AND YOUNG WERE BY FAR BETTER THAN RUDDOCK AND BUSTER DOUGLAS
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo again,you're a fool.The point is tyson landing his 6 inch hooks in the first round on easy to hit stand up foreman. and eluding foreman enough to hurt george as lyle HURT GEORGE,HE WASNT A GOD!HE GOT HURT WHEN HIT CLEANLY.
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@fadethetrade hey your back LOL well at least we can agree that Tyson had a good chance against foreman in their primes. if Tyson get foreman hurt like lyle did he finishes him off
kingzula 1 month ago
@kingzula "if Tyson get foreman hurt like lyle did he finishes him off"
if foreman hurts tyson like bruno did(he would do for sure) tyson would get get raped in the ring
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo Tyson was no way as hurt as foreman was. foreman was out and lyle couldn't finish him off. Tyson crushes him. Tyson chin is underrated. he can take a big punch. one good punch doesn't do it against Tyson
kingzula 1 month ago
@kingzula lmao because ron lyle was 100 times the fighter who was the bum frank bruno, lyle had a chin to take a beating and to continue fighting, bruno had a glass chin, george foreman had a better chin than tyson, and again you are comparing the foreman who fought lyle with peak tyson, foreman was depressed and he was still fighting he was mentally finished post ali, so ok, buster douglas knocked PRIME tyson out, so foreman would kill tyson,PERIOD
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo "lyle was 100 times the fighter" not! no i'm comparing prime Foreman with prime Tyson. lyle ad a ok chin and should have finished of foreman who was out on his feet. lyle had absolutely no defense. foreman never really recovered in that fight and was wobbly thru out the fight. Tyson was also depressed had many personal problems when he lost to Douglas and Douglas was in great shape and had good skills. like i said before their careers are similar Tyson has a good chance.
kingzula 1 month ago
@kingzula" not! no i'm comparing prime Foreman with prime Tyson"
no!! you are comparing peak tyson 86-88 with foreman 76(lyle version), if you use the example lyle(anyway horrible because lyle was nothing like tyson, he was much bigger) then i will use the example buster douglas who was a light puncher compared with george foreman
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo douglas(when in shape) was better than lyle. you like to use Frazier as an example, even though he was coming off a grueling, mentally and physically draining fight with Ali. Frazier had to be hospitalized after the Ali fight and then fights Foreman. Ali a light hitting heavyweight ko'd both foreman and lyle. lyle was taller but not bigger than Tyson. Douglas hit much harder than Ali and Tyson took many punches. tyson has agood chance against foreman.
kingzula 1 month ago
@king lyle was better than any version of douglas, TOKYO douglas is a product of the excuse of the tyson fans, they insinuates that douglas was a super fighter to excuse the defeat of tyson, the truth is that buster douglas was always the same bucket of garbage, in tokyo,madrid,pekin new york or in the moon, simply tyson was in horrible shape this night, holyfield exposed the bum who was douglas, ron lyle was bigger than tyson, tyson was packed of muscle but lyle had bigger frame
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula "Ali a light hitting heavyweight ko'd both foreman and lyle"
it is probably on of the dumbest anb ignorant comment ever, it show your poor Knowledge about boxing, george foreman and ton lyle took the best shots from ali in the early rounds, simply they got tired , it was not because the hitting power of ali, foreman took shots from hader punchers than ali in norton,frazier,cooney,holyfield,lyle,morrison....
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula the example of frazier is perfect because it was mentally a prime foreman, not the lyle version. actually tyson was not very different physically than frazier, the versions of frazier who fought foreman weighed 214 and 224 pounds in 5´11 of height, and foreman did move frazier like a toy, he would do the same thing with tyson(who was not specially strong, big muscles is not =great functional physical strength , tyson was handled easily in the clinch by weaker men than foreman
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula "Frazier had to be hospitalized after the Ali fight and then fights Foreman"
because frazier could take a beating and to continue fighting . plain and simple i would like to see tyson vs ali and foreman... if he got knocked out by a bum imagines him in a ring with a good version of ali and foreman
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo i think Douglas would have beat a lot of fighters that night. Tyson doesnt beat Ali.so whats your point?foreman couldnt take a beating from the light hitting Ali and was knocked down by an even lighter hitting Jimmy Young. Tyson(in his prime)had good defense and would be capable of hurting foreman even more than lyle did. and Tyson chin would be good enough to take foreman shots for a while. a big puncher like Tyson could hurt foreman. Tyson has a good chance.
kingzula 1 month ago
@kingzula "foreman couldnt take a beating from the light hitting Ali and was knocked down by an even lighter hitting Jimmy Young"
again the same horrible point... ali and jimmy young were stylists with great defence and great chin, foreman always had problems with stylists but he destroy punchers, foreman never was down because the "great punch" of jimmy young or ali, he was tired, very different, basing on his styles tyson never would survive long time against foreman
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
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@kin "and Tyson chin would be good enough to take foreman shots for a while. a big puncher like Tyson could hurt foreman."
tyson was hurt by bruno,past prime holyfield,douglas,tucker,past prime lewis or kevin mcbride(does not matter if he was old against mc bride, old foreman took a beating by a peak holyfield). tyson had a decent chin but foreman had a better chin than tyson, foreman never was hurt early except by lyle , ron lyle was rated by shavers like the 3 hardest puncher ever
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula and foreman was dropped he got up and he won the fight by ko even when he was not in his mentally prime, tyson never got up and won a fight, so foreman was by far more proved, foreman could be hurt by tyson and he would be mentally strong to take it and win the fight, tyson would be hurt by foreman and he would get finished mentally, the mental factor would be very important.
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula "i think Douglas would have beat a lot of fighters that night"
i assure you that any great hw in his prime would destroy this version of this bum. tyson was pathetic this night.
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula "foreman couldnt take a beating from the light hitting Ali and was knocked down by an even lighter hitting Jimmy Young"
tyson could not take the shots from buster douglas so foreman could kill him right?
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@kingzula "a big puncher like Tyson could hurt foreman"
well, it is the only one decent comment from you, of course tyson and foreman could hurt anyone because foreman is top 2 hardest puncher and tyson top 5. but MY POINT IS THAT TYSON IS TOO SHORT TO HIT FOREMAN CLEANLY IN THE FACE, FOREMAN PUSHED BACK SHORT GUYS, I AM NOT SAYING THAT TYSON DID NOT HAVE THE HITTING POWER, I AM SAYING THAT HE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS TO USE HIS HITTING POWER AGAINST FOREMAN.
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo tyson hits just as hard as foreman. Tyson would not just walk in to Foreman. Tyson would jab his way in. Foreman defense is not good enough to block all of Tyson punches. once again using Frazier is a bad example. all of Tyson opponents were much taller than him. Tyson was also physically strong. Tyson also had good boxing skills.to say that foreman would just wipe the floor with Tyson is ridicules. Tyson vs Foreman would be exciting and the winner is uncertain.
kingzula 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo jimmy young had a good chin. are you kidding??lol. jimmy young was all defense and was one of the lighter hitting HW of all time. Douglas was as skilled as any HW of his era. what he lacked was commitment. he was 6ft 4inch. 230lbs(in shape). he was a big strong guy. foreman actually stayed away from the big punchers after lyle. your basing all your assessments on foreman-Frazier. which for many reasons is a bad example. Frazier was never the same after the first fight with Ali.
kingzula 1 month ago
@kingzula zzzzzzz you right you right
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo just my opinion!! Tyson vs Foreman would be a toss-up
kingzula 1 month ago
@kingzula Tyson will knockout Ali with ease. Tyson was second to none. His footwork was just as great as Ali without the flashy moves. Tyson does everything better besides Ali's footwork and Foreman's power. Rope a dope and a powerful haymaker is useless against a Prime Tyson. There was no escape against a 1986 Tyson with D'amato still alive, Richard Steele as the ref, and Don king and woman controversies out of his life.
JiveDG 1 month ago
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Dude u MUST be crazy...i was a huuuuge Tyson fan and im from NY so i support Mike all day..but i was a huuuge Ali fan too cos that dude could not be beaten in his PRIME..an older Ali vs younger tyson, maybe Tyson has a chance but then Ali was sly...depenmds what age I am talking about..but a prime Ali vs a Prime Tyson..OMG, not even close..why do you think the critics drool over how great ALI was..he was so quick...jabs would destroy anyone...
kaye10 1 month ago
@JiveDG
Ali embarassed anyone..mentally got to anyone..he fought Sonny Liston who was Mike tYson before Mike Tyson (had even a harder jab than Mike) and Ali walked over him twice...Ive seen all the films of Ali and Tyson...Tyson had problems will taller guys who could BOX! Didnt u see the Tucker/Tyson fight in the 80s..Mike barely won that..talk about the GOAT in ALI? He would eat Tyson..Tyson's game is to intimidate..shooo, Ali was the king of that..he's make Mike cry lol
kaye10 1 month ago
@JiveDG as much as i love Tyson . he doesn't beat Ali. it would be closer than people think but he wouldnt beat Ali
kingzula 1 month ago
@fadethetrade TYSON COULD NOT STOP RUDDOCK EARLY AND HE WAS DESTROYED BY DOUGLAS, HE DID NOT LOSE BY DECISION LIKE FOREMAN
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo TYson past his mental prime took 18 rounds of ruddock left smashes thaat almost killed bonecrusher and dokes,thats a strong enough chin for my books against a formeman,at least enough to get his shots in.My points are very valid and strong.
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo yeah bro but the big difference between all the guys you mention is tysons defence, of course if tyson had no head movement like those guys i would agree and say foreman would obliterate tyson but i think the defence of tyson would be the key to him having a great chance in the fight, i think prime tyson,foreman and ali would be the 3 hardest guys to beat when they are fighting at 100%, in reality all 3 only ever beat themselves when you think about it, i mean..
28rampage 1 month ago
when foreman lost to ali he was to over confident in his own power he thought he could just bang away and eventually his man would fall and this alone was his downfall vs ali, ali when he lost to frazier never gave the proper respect to joe and came in the wrong frame of mind for a machine like joe, tyson after he became famous was always going to slip up after having so many easy fights he took his eye off the prize and when facing a journeyman like buster how can you..
28rampage 1 month ago
prepare mentally if you are expected to ko this guy in 1-2rds and he just wasn't prepared for what buster brought that night and got his ass kicked big time... that's what i believe anyway bro
28rampage 1 month ago
@28rampage i agree in every word that you said, i can talk with you because obviously you know your boxing, you don´t use shits like " foreman was in his absolute prime against lyle but tyson was past his prime against douglas". i agree, i think that a motivated tyson 88 would ko douglas, no question about, simply i said that this guy was not talking with objectivity, and i agree this point is very valid, tyson had a better move of head and he had faster hands from any angle
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo actually their in the ring careers are similar. once they lost there fights got harder.
kingzula 1 month ago
@28rampage but tyson was nothing like lyle, the point is that ron lyle had a longer reach than tyson it is because he did catch foreman, yes, tyson was faster but he was also shorter
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
the only truth is that foreman called out tyson 100 times but tyson ignored foreman and tyson faced a finished shot stylist like larry holmes who was not even a top contender and was retired since 1986,but tyson did ignore foreman because tyson was not dumb, he knew the arte of the boxing and the styles, cus damato told tyson that his style would be a suicide against george foreman.
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo who actually said cus said that to tyson bro? bcos i just think it's weird that a teacher as great as cus would try to install negative thoughts in his fighters mind?
28rampage 1 month ago
george later acknoledged cooney as a very hard puncher, to bad cooney didnt have "IT" . when George fought Lyle boxing up on his toes he was very ali like
fischparov 1 month ago
Tyson would distroy foreman!
jasper1453 1 month ago
@jasper1453 foreman would clean the floor with the body of tyson...
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
One of the great setups in history! Cooney already got ko'd early by a 175 pounder blown up to heavyweight,spinks.,tyson ko'd spinks in 90 seconds.cooney was the biggest fraud in heavyweight history.Foreman would have lost to tyson in this period regardless if tyson ducked him or tyson lost to douglas.A foreman /tyson fight would be in tysons favor becasue he would get off first.
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@fadethetrade horrible points, because styles make fights, does not matter if tyson destroyed spinks, tyson had the perfect style to destroy spinks, foreman was the nightmare of tyson, foreman would ko tyson in 2 rounds, i would pick even old foreman 90-91 to destroy prime tyson, foreman was bigger,stronger, he had better chin, he was mentally stronger as well, and he did hit harder, ali and larry holmes would outpoint foreman, george destroys tyson.
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo My point is that Lyle hurt and should have ko'd foreman if lyle was a better finisher as tyson of 21 yrs old was.Tyson would have been ready since he and cus watched foreman together every night in 1984.Foremans claim to fame was koing two guys who were more suseptible for 2 round ko then a prime classi 21 yr old tyson was,frazier wasa notoriously slow starter and ALWAYS lost the first few rounds,norton couldnt handle anyone with a punch
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@fadethetrade MIKE TYSON WAS NOTHING LIKE LYLE, RON LYLE WAS A BOXER PUNCHER WITH LONG REACH, TYSON WAS A SHORT PUNCHER, LYLE WAS 6´3 AND TYSON 5´10, HORRIBLE POINT
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@combatesdeboxeo Easy point,tyson finds foreman in the first 30 to 60 seconds,COmparing ron lyle with a classic tyson who defended his title 8 times before his 22nds birthday.you're an idiot,Actually!
fadethetrade 1 month ago
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@fadethetrade "COmparing ron lyle with a classic tyson who defended his title 8 times before his 22nds birthday.you're an idiot,Actually!"
actually ron lyle was better than ruddock ,james smith,james tillis or buster douglas and all them were competent against tyson, ron lyle did put down twice to a young george foreman, peak holyfield,tommy morrison, alex stewart, gerry cooney... no of these hard punchers could knock down even old foreman, ron lyle gave a great fight to ali
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
@fadethetrade ron lyle won the olimpic gold medal , tyson never did, even larry holmes never did, ron lyle destroyed earnie shavers, earnie shavers fought a great fight against peak larry holmes, ron lyle did beat oscar bonavena, joe bugner,jimmy ellis... ron lyle did his pro debut in his 30s. ken norton avoided ron lyle like pest. actually you know shit about ron lyle
combatesdeboxeo 1 month ago
George would not beat tyson at this stage come on great boxer tho but have to definately disagree
Antsouth1 2 months ago
@Antsouth1
Tyson was pretty overrated imo. He was knocking out bums man. His camp outright refused to fight 40 something year old Foreman. They knew Mike would lose. Especially after his Buster Douglass performance they knew Mike would lose. Foreman was like Douglass X5 even at 40.
Kingjd87 2 months ago 9
@Kingjd87 Knocking out bums? Your joking right? Most of the bums he was fighting also had numerous wins all by KO. Your just riding on old school boxers. There was no boxer like Tyson. He was better than Ali, everything better except the footwork and not by much.
JiveDG 1 month ago
Revenge for Ken Norton !
ANCIENTMYS 2 months ago
64 wins - 60kos - 2 lost - fighted the best Boxers in the World since Boxing excist !!!
Nothing else to say !!!
thekingakaitsme 2 months ago
Foreman's record at the time: 64 wins, 2 losses, 60 wins by KO....WTF!!!!!!! Holy shit that's intimidating.
Kingjd87 2 months ago 10
holyfied took roids....foreman would just club you to death
lynnethc 2 months ago
Tyson's camp best move was to not fight George. George was the hardest puncher EVER. Hands of stone NO more like punches of sledge hammers . The mans arms weighed 30lbs
tellthetruthg 2 months ago 2
@tellthetruthg
Your right!! Tyson KNEW he could never have beaten Big George. Tyson was nothing more than a front-running bully. As soon as you hit him back he starts bitin. George would have walked all over Tyson..even at this late stage. And it also goes to show how good the quality of hvyweights in Foremans era.
mmttomb3 2 months ago
@mmttomb3 It was the best ere ever of HW's . Skilled Boxers and Punchers each fighting more than 1 or 2 x per year. Ali stood out and for my money the best ever. His best years taken away, he doesn't pout, he got hungrier to prove he was the best. No fighter has done more for the sport than Ali.
tellthetruthg 2 months ago
@1976GGus1 full of shit...
NateTheG0v 2 months ago
min 107 of round 2. xcellent.
cstmrsking 2 months ago
cooneys a joke and a bully he got what he desrved
djk28161 2 months ago
What is with the welt on Cooney’s cheek?
Before the fight?
Cooney was scared shit-less.
Cooney had the most powerrful body shot of all time, but no one will know.
theloosegoose333 2 months ago
Oh my god 7.38, The Ref never even started a count, He stopped the fight before cooney even hit the deck! No wonder he ain't been seen for years, hes only just woke up!
edwardjleavy85 2 months ago
i would have liked these two to fight tyson back then, he was in his prime
consiliere96 2 months ago
Shook hands with him once in Las Vegas and my hand dissapeared in his. I'd hate to be a recipient of one of those fists!
vatosharpei 2 months ago
Cooney thought the referee asked after the first knockdown, "Do you wanna live?" and so he said "Yes" in reply.
caloy2x 2 months ago
big george was a true warrior
lens2optic 3 months ago
I would go as far to say George even at this stage would beat Tyson.
Kingjd87 3 months ago 13
@Kingjd87 HAHAHAHAHA that was the stupidest thing that i ever heard!
7331Viktor 3 months ago
@Kingjd87 Shortly after this fight, Tyson lost his title and Don King thought thought that Big George would be the ideal comeback opponent for him.
Tyson knew better and refused the fight.
BruceinFalkirk 3 months ago
@Kingjd8
No way,look at his moves,and check Tyson in his period,just no way.
Regzus 2 months ago
@Kingjd87 i definitely agree. IMO his most underrated quality is his chin
gonzojon 1 month ago
@Kingjd87 Not to sure about that.Tyson was still a 90 second bombout fighter who would have found foreman very easy in the first round.Foreman needs 2 rounds.Tysons fast start might discombobulate foreman and allow tyson to land his 6 inch hooks on a foreman who never had holding experience and tieing experience becaue foreman never needed to!
fadethetrade 1 month ago
@Kingjd87 sure he would.
Alltimeboxing 1 month ago
@Kingjd87 Very possible at this stage, and he could definitely beat him when he was in his prime. Would have toyed with Tyson like he did with Frazier and Norton.
crapfacejoe 1 month ago
@crapfacejoe he didnt toy with frazier or norton he DESTROYED them
eatthisvr6 2 weeks ago
actually i think that this version f foreman did hit harder than shavers, and he was much stronger, with a sturdy chin, shavers had a great right hand but is is all, glass chin... foreman would rape shavers easy and early
combatesdeboxeo 3 months ago
George is WIDE open for a left hook when he slaps that bear pawing right @ 7:13 just before he nails him with the left uppercut that effectively ends it...Cooney was shot here and just a sitting duck
drmbowen 3 months ago
Gorge is a good fighter,...I Like him...but I think he is not smart enough.....
jokie360 3 months ago
@jokie360 Not smart enough? Do you have a George Foreman Grill... I'd say he's plenty smart.
Splackwell 3 months ago
NOBODY beats George trying to brawl with him. Ali and Morrison won because they outboxed him, they didn't get stupid and try to stand toe to toe. Moorer lost because he stood in front of him. Cooney didn't have the skills or style to have a chance against George, he's a slugger but wasn't powerful enough to hurt George, but then again I don't know if there has ever been a fighter powerful enough to really hurt George.
zettadom 3 months ago