Yall really need to understand this!!! This differes if you dont like Feminine guys or Masculine guys. Everbody has there types it doesn't matter!!! for everybody saying "oh There is hate going towards feminine guys." There is fucking hate out throw out the whole damn world!! What does it Matter?
I'll say this once and for all: If you think fem guys give your lives such hardships get a fking rifle and kill them all. what a bunch of complaining pricks.
I understand your point we shouldn't have labels, but you also gotta understand like even in the straight community everyone has a preference. However I dont think anyone should put another person down because of the way they are. Like for example you might only like white guys should you be prosecuted for that? No. anyway nice video=)
Your sexuality should describe who your attracted to and it being the same sex does not mean you should be feminine to the point of being a girl. That only adds to a bad stereotype. If your attracted to men why would you want someone who basically acts like a girl? And why would you act like a girl because your gay?
@MrSinister84 Dont you think that proves that these men dont choose to be feminine? If they know that they would be more desired as masc men they would probably just turn the feminine off. It can't be switched off. If a feminine woman tried being masculine even for ONE DAY she would be mentally exhausted, and that is the same for feminine men. The idea that men are masculine and women are feminine is a social lie, because fem and masc traits in both genders has existed since the dawn of time
I know that men gay or straight are feminine in some way. But not to the degree where your acting more like a girl than a real girl does. I'm sure if that women tried not to be as EXTREMELY feminine instead of being masculine than it wouldn't be mentally exhausting. Its not about feminine or masculine but the level of extreme that can be controlled. The idea that gay men are feminine is a social lie, because who your attracted to and how you act aren't the same thing.
@MrSinister84 Thats your first mistake, is to assume that these men are trying to act like girls. They are born feminine, and are in no way trying i assure you. Have you ever raised a feminine male child? Did you watch Michael Jackson grow up like the rest of us? If you saw one grow up, you would see how natural it came to them... Feminine boys in ancient societies were not just tolerated, they were HONORED. They are creative, emotional children, and we need to learn to appreciate their gifts.
Feminine boys like MJ and I know some too but than there are those that go to the extreme that it would have to be a choice to act that extremely feminine. My point is that gay men are being automatically stereotyped as the typical feminine gay guy just because there gay and its not ok. Just look at some of the TV shows with gay characters, the majority are typed as that feminine stereotype.
@MrSinister84 i understand where youre coming from. The fem homosexual males on television give people the idea that ALL gay men are QUEENS. However those men need to be represented too, because they exist. And I COMPLETELY agree that masculine homosexuals need to be represented as well. But there isnt a demand for them. Everyone knows the masc male, we see him everyday. Who was more popular in Will and Grace? Jack or Will? Jack. The fems are more entertaining. But i totally see your point
I'm glad we agree on this. But I do think there should be a more balance representation. So we can get rid of this perception that people expect to see when they meet a gay male.
@MrSinister84 you know y there are fewer masc gay men in the media? cuz they are too busy trying to "blend in", to try to be "normal" or bury themselves deep in the closet they cant even see the sun let alone have themselves portrayed in the media. Im soooo sick of how masc gays put the blame on fem gays for their bad image. People hate gays because they suck DICKS, doesnt matter how they ACT. most fem guys have it harder already just for being who they r they dont need this shit.
Really? Just because masculine gays don't wear there sexuality on there sleeve there deep in the closet. Maybe there not in the media because they don't feel the need to act likes over the top clowns to get parts as stereotyped token characters. People hate gays also because they think all gay men just want to be girls and want to shove there sexuality in everyone's faces. It does matter how you act because in the end gay or not, if you act like a clown you will be treated like one.
@MrSinister84 Funny how you talk about fem gays as clowns and stuff. Straight acting gays always come across as self-centered assholes who think the world revolves around them. If SOME fem guys are loud and silly so they deserve to be called clowns. But it's not your place to generally say that all fem guys are giving straight acting gays a bad name.
@MrSinister84 Actually it's straight acting gays who give the gays a bad name by pretending to be straight and get married w women. How do u think they deceive those poor women and society? By acting straight and macho. And as far as I know no fem gays accuse those gays of anything. Why straight acting men feel the need to belittle other gays is just beyond any rationalizing process. If you want society to respect you etc respect others first before putting the blame on others.
Straight acting and closet cases are two different things. Acting in any level of extreme from straight and macho to fem and girly helps no one. It only enforces a bad stereotype. If you want society to respect you, respect yourself and how you present yourself. Helping enforce a bad stereotype and being proud about it is beyond common sense.
@MrSinister84 what is bad about femininity? Just because that's against the conventional gender norms doesnt mean it's bad stereotype per se. In the end if people's perceptions about things are according to gender norms there would never be women's rights, racial minorities's rights and gay rights. And if by presenting yourselves u mean to make a conscious effort to TRY to ACT straight then you can live ur "normal" "manly" lives for all I care. Justdont blame others
When people consider that stereotype true as it represents all gay men than it is bad. It would be like that stereotype that all women should be and are good happy homemakers even if some actually are, its not a representation of every women. Its as bad as any racial stereotype as well, despite that some in that race represent that stereotype. There is no acting in sexuality, only when it becomes your whole self being and representation as oppose to just a small fact about yourself.
@MrSinister84 In that case then why not criticize the people who stereotype instead of hating upon the fem gays? In the end they're simply showing who they are. It's like the people who stereotype against women choose that particular type of women to represent all women. It's not the chosen women's fault. As for the fem gays, being fem is a small fact of themselves. It's the straight-acting gays who think that it is what's all about them by zooming that particular trait out.
When they help enforce that stereotype then they are in part responsible for that stereotype. Straight acting guys don't wear there sexuality on there sleeves or feel the need to fit that stereotype, they don't take sexuality as more than what sex they are attracted to.
@MrSinister84 im so fed up w u blaming on the fem guys. just because straight ppl choose them as representatives of the whole gay community does NOT make the stereotype their fault. Is it the big boobed girl's fault when men view women as sex objects? they are being who they are so let them be. nobody has ever asked the straight acting gays to be gayer so idk y u feel the need to ask ppl to conform to ur standard.
@MrSinister84 u talked about feeling the need to fit the stereotype. funny u should talk since ur the one who is trying hard to fit in the gender norms about how men should behave. too bad u will NEVER be a REAL man since in the end u still suck DICKS and thats no men for society. I dont care about that but since u get so worked up about it so im just gonna rub it in. Live a long happy life w ur straight acting superior stuck up attitude. Goodbye and good riddance.
Sorry to me sexuality is just a small part of who you are that just explains who your attracted to. But I guess to people like you it's more than that, its basically your whole personality and your entire being. Real men don't need to yell at people about what they suck or eat, well I guess if you sexuality is your whole personality than you would. Live a long happy stereotypical life that is revolved around your sexuality. Goodbye.
@MrSinister84 u r the one who lives ur sexuality by trying to conform urself into the social gender norm. do u think when the "queens" act do they stop a minute and think how they should act? it's straight acting gay men who have to constantly consciously make an effort to fit in the norms. REAL MEN? yeah, ur one real men who suck cocks. sorry u cant have it both way because conventional REAL MEN fuck pussies.
Fit into gender norms? Just because you suck cock doesn't mean you should act like a girl as well. The real truth is REAL MEN ARE STILL MEN. Sucking all the cock in the world doesn't change the fact that you still a MAN.
@xtacee1990 “Actually it's straight acting gays who give the gays a bad name by pretending to be straight and get married w women. How do u think they deceive those poor women and society? By acting straight and macho.” Wow! Got 1 hell of a flame war raging here so I thought I’d jump in and say that the guy’s u r describing above aren’t masculine gay men their closet cases which is very different....[p1 cont]...
@AdamaKnowsBest....[p2 cont ]....So the point u r trying 2 make is wrong as most masculine gay men tend 2 b open about their sexual preference and so do not have relationships with women. Just wanted 2 say that so don't get all bent out of shape over it dude.
@AdamaKnowsBest im sorry but last time i checked there's no "queens" who shower w straight college football kids and pretend to be their masculine non-gay friend and then sexually abuse them. the straight acting gay men keep blaming the fem gays for everything but dont they look back at themselves and see how ppl like them have damaged all the fights by using their macho straight acting cover to commit all kind of perverted acts w straight guys (kids).
@xtacee1990 “im sorry but last time i checked there's no "queens" who shower w straight college football kids and pretend to be their masculine non-gay friend and then sexually abuse them.”
Do u have any evidence 2 actually support this assertion or r u just pulling it out of thin air? Also how do u get that from what I wrote?....[p1 cont]...
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2 cont]...“im not an irrational person”
Yeah...ok....I really get that from what u wrote and you’re not going 2 get any argument from me about that. But in all honest how am I putting the blame on any1 exactly as all I did was refute 1 point u made in 1 of your posts that’s all.
@AdamaKnowsBest well like i said i know that point is silly and in all sanity i would never say that in real life. my point was if u blame all the bad stereotypes on the fem gays then i just wanna show u that straight acting gay men also accumulate horrible stereotypes for the gay community. but they have to be all superior and blame blame blame others for their conformist life-style.
@AdamaKnowsBest wikipedia Penn State scandal. also look up Green v The Queen (1997) 191 CLR 334. these are the proof that there are SOME straight acting gays use there sexual mannerism to prey on straight men (and kids). and no fems have ever called them out on this. but straight acting men have the audacity to blame these fems for making them look bad, or unable to come out.
@xtacee1990 I don’t think the cases u cited show how masculine gay men perpetuate stereotypes 4 the gay community as neither of these cases featured a masculine gay men as the perpetrator of the crimes. Moreover when u read up on the cases u find that the facts show that the men who carried out these crimes were not masculine gay men...[p1 cont]...
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2 cont]...as the case of the Penn State scandal it was a paedophilia who abused the boys and in the case of Green v TheQueen (1997) there is evidence that homophobia played a role in that crime. Furthermore it is these men’s proclivity towards abuse, violence, and possibly homophobia which caused them 2 do these things not masculinity or even homosexuality....[cont p3]...
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p3 cont]...So I fail 2 c how masculine gay men r responsible 4 these cases or how they help 2 create negative stereotypes 4 the gay community.
Also may I ask how masculine gay men r conformist 2 society’s expectations? I mean, I a masculine gay men and I am just me no more no less. So how does that make me a conformist?
@AdamaKnowsBest straight acting men = social conformist to gender norm because they expect males to behave according to how society expects men to act. according to ppl like u if men have to be men and if they're girly they give u a bad name. HOW is that not conforming to the social standards? u talk about being urself and shit but u impose ur standard of behaviour on others and chastise and blame them for ur hardships when they dont. do u even see the hypocrisy?
@xtacee1990 U know I wish u would stop describing all masculine gay men as straight acting because we r not acting straight we simply r masculine men that’s all. Also I don’t want 2 shock u 2 much by telling u this but not all masculine men (regardless of sexual orientation) think alike. And though some masculine men look down on feminine men not all do nor do they demand that all males act, look, and think alike....[p1 cont p2]....
@AdamaKnowsBest...[p2 cont]...Furthermore I and other masculine gay men r not conformist as we act in a way which is most natural 2 us and it seems from reading your posts that u r arguing that men like me should do what u want and act in a way that u deem correct (which would b unnatural/inauthentic way of life 4 men like me) just 2 prove 2 u that what were good enlighten people like u....[cont p3]....
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p3]....Also how do u know that gender traits just come from society and aren’t something more biological in nature?
Finally how have I tried 2 enforce my masculinity on u and others how by simply existing because I have made no statement in my posts which have been targeted towards that end.
@AdamaKnowsBest tell that to ur fellow straight actin gay men and their usual complaints " im stereotyped because of fem guys. fem guys give me a bad name. why do they have to be so girly. why cant they just be men like me." until they change their attitudes dont expect anyone to think differently of them. look at the comments by Mrsinister84. he's ur fellow straight acting gay men.
@AdamaKnowsBest and i really dont care but u act straight or gay or colorful. that's ur life. but pls dont say the shit that i just describe. those fem guys have been shunned by the straight society already. they dont need gay ppl to chastise them as well. who are u to judge them?
@xtacee1990 First whenever I c some1 act horrible 2 another person 4 no reason I try 2 tell that person not 2 do that. This includes masculine gay men.
“until they change their attitudes dont expect anyone to think differently of them.”
So let me get the above straight u mean 2 tell me that if some members of a group act badly that all members of that group deserve 2 b punished 4 the actions of that group as if their guilty even if they themselves have don’t nothing wrong....[p1 cont p2]
Furthermore I have never demeaned a feminine gay man 4 being that way. In fact I have defended them on a few occasions. Also feminine gay’s r not the only people 2 b rejected by straight people.
@AdamaKnowsBest well i didnt see you calling out anyone else who acts straight and puts the blame on the fem guys. you say im punishing straight acting men for some individuals. my ass. everywhere i go there're always straight acting gay men making faces as if fem guys are disgusting. do u go out and change their attitude? do u preach to them that they should not discriminate those fems and let them be who they are? I guess not.
@AdamaKnowsBest when u put a blind on the attitudes of ppl like MrSinister84, but choose me to counter voice ur opinions to, dont preach to me about "First whenever I c some1 act horrible 2 another person 4 no reason I try 2 tell that person not 2 do that. This includes masculine gay men." or "if some members of a group act badly that all members of that group deserve 2 b punished 4 the actions of that group as if their guilty even if they themselves have don’t nothing wrong". U R THEM.
@xtacee1990 First I wasn’t preaching. I was merely stating the truth. Second I will not b held responsible 4 the acts of others (gay or straight, male or female, rich or poor) especially those in which I played little or no part. I guess this must b hard thing 4 u 2 understand after all u seem 2 like the idea of collective guilt....[p1 cont p2]...
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2]....Third I do engage individuals about their conduct towards others though that does not mean that I go around getting people’s faces telling them how 2 live or what 2 think as freedom of expression is something I tend 2 believe in.
Fourth I just have 2 ask out of morbid curiosity. How r feminine gay me discriminated against by masculine gay men such and myself (apparently according 2 u)?....[cont p3]...
@AdamaKnowsBest ....[p3]....And finally the reason me and u r having this back and forth and not Mrsinister84 is because u made post that was wrong and I wanted 2 point that out then u responded which has lead us directly here.
@AdamaKnowsBest As I have said in the beginning, if he and ppl like him keep being irrational and blaming the stigmas they have received on the fem guys, I will keep up w his irrationality. I was simply showing him that not only fem guys perpetuate stereotypes, straight acting gays have been doing the same as well. They are no better than anyone so why get all high and mighty and blame everyone. In the end society hates u because u suck cocks, doesnt matter how masculine u are.
@AdamaKnowsBest also, im fed up w the misogynistic attitude that many straight actin gay men harbour. what's wrong w femininity? why is it offensive to them that some gay men are feminine? gay ourselves are already the anomalies yet some straight acting gay men have the audacity to judge others and call them abnormal according to the gender norms. What a JOKE. Again, im not an irrational person, but if ppl want to be so i promise i'll keep up w that.
@AdamaKnowsBest and how fem guys are discriminated by straight acting gay men? R U blind or deaf? everywhere i go there's got to be some conversations like, why are those guys so girly? why are they such fags? why dont they be like me and be a man? a man has to be a man etc. all these derogatory words are proof and they scream discrimination to me.
@xtacee1990 First off u were not dealing with him during our exchanges u were dealing with me and I have 2 say that u were very rude and insulting towards me 4 no good reason.
Second I do not doubt that some gay men harbour sexist feeling towards women but I also know lesbian who hate femininity 2 and dislike feminine gay men, lesbians, and transwomen 4 being that way so I don’t think it’s just gay men....[p1 cont p2]....
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2]....Finally I disagree with your definition of discrimination as discrimination 2 me involves objective things (e.g. violence against the target group, the denial of legal and economic rights, and a lack of political representation). I do not c masculine gay men doing any of the above against feminine gays. All I c is people expressing an opinion nothing more.
@AdamaKnowsBest I'm very rude and insulting to me? u jumped into a middle of an argument w/out knowing where i was going so it should have been anticipated that i would get combative to u. and he said the shitty thing as well but u said nothing. im not asking u to take my side but if ur giving a hand to ppl like him dont expect me to be nice to u.
@AdamaKnowsBest expressing opinions? more like blaming and insulting to me. according to what i have read if the majority of straight acting gays would never give the fem guys any chance to be near them if they can. they feel ashamed of those fem guys. there's a trend that many gay organizations have put forward the straight actin gay men as representatives and the "too gay" ones are being shunned aside because of the thought that fem guys make bad stereotypes. thats discrimination.
@AdamaKnowsBest I said this, and Im gonna it again. If straight acting gay men feel that irritated by fem gays. buy a fkin rifle and shoot them all. obviously when ur fem and camp ur too gay and bad for the whole "community". so y not clean them out of the world?
@xtacee1990 I am not on his side or any1 else’s and I haven’t given any support or credence 2 his point of view in my posts here. What may I ask could I have done 2 make u happy argue with him and cuss him out like u did. Also when I decided 2 post my first comment 2 u I did not do so hoping 2 start a fight I simply wanted 2 point out an error u made that’s all...[p1 cont p2]...
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2]...However since then u have responded with a certain amount of rudeness and aggression towards me that I feel was unnecessary. Especially since I have done my best 2 engaged with u respectfully.
Also I don’t think that its discrimination when gay organisations choose masculine gay men as their representatives as their r more masculine gay men then feminine 1. I mean how is it discrimination towards feminine gay men they r not being hurt or denied in anyway...[cont p3]..
@AdamaKnowsBest...[p3]...“If straight acting gay men feel that irritated by fem gays. buy a fkin rifle and shoot them all. obviously when ur fem and camp ur too gay and bad for the whole "community". so y not clean them out of the world?”
Ok the above is so melodramatic and over the top that it is just silly.
@AdamaKnowsBest regarding the cases, would a straight man ever feel comfortable enough around a fem gay man to let them be close to them? the psychology of most straight men is that they will only associate w men who act straight when they dont know about the others' sexuality. many cases whereby straight men are sexually assaulted by gay men happen in a private context that means the victims have to trust them enough to let them in. do u think they would trust fem men given the social stigma?
@MrSpemat I so agree with you. I happen to hang out with mostly straight guys because, well, we share the same interests (except sexuality of course) and I find it a bit hard to hang out with most women because I don't really enjoy shopping and such. >.<
To all my fellow GAYS(Feminine or NOT): We are HATED by most STRAIGHT people in this world since the world full of STRAIGHT. Why should we not get along and be comfortable and help each other which we all happen to be GAY!? Now, I even feel like I'm not comfortable with my Gay community because of this SHIT of being FEMININE and BUTCHES.SAD! Shouldn't we be UNITED? We all like cocks and fight for the RIGHTS since most of STRAIGHT against us! It's discrimination and unfair.PEACE GAY WORLD! PLZ!
aw your cute, i would give you a chance, you seem loving and caring, I dont date queens but you have a cute mix. Bc i feel like you have the best of both worlds, and I like that! :)
See, thing is, people go off general assumptions and common factors. If you're "feminine" I don't understand why you go after masculine gay guys. The reason I don't date feminine gay guys cause on the whole, how much are you likely gonna have in common? How many fem gays like hockey, atving, hiking, flying planes and cars? Not any I've met. Meanwhile, most feminine gay guys characterised me as an ass cause i'm just blunt and don't give a fuck, whereas they're usually dramatic and sensitive.
@usernamesomeone holy sh*t dude, we're the same. I'm totally considered an ass for the same reason! Why the hell can't gay guys, just be guys. I always had the impression that feminine gay guys put on an act just to be more accepted in what they call their community. Guys, I'm gay, i have no gay friends cause i don't get along with any, all my friends are straight guys, they all know, and they don't give a shit, just be yourselves !
I completely agree with everything you said. I used to be like, "Oh, I'm only looking for masculine guys". And I was unhappy. I met assholes. Etc, etc. Well, then I let all that go, and I met someone who I am really happy with. And he's not the most masculine guy, but he makes me smile. And he's true to himself. And that's how it should be. Good video :)
That's the problem with people,their stuck on hang ups. And why should you be known as just a gay guy? Why not just Francisco who happens to adore men. My best friend from Spain happens to be feminine but it's natural for him. I am considered masculine by other gays but I can appreciate both. Anyone to let a potential life long love pass you buy all because of some dumb hang up you have about dating a masculine or feminine guy is pretty lame.
I hate your logic. And the sense of entitlement that you employ to try and back it up. "Why can't I just be a normal gay guy?" is a thought I'm hearing from you. But the real question should be "why can't I just be a normal guy?". If we're going to apply your weird logic of blending masc. and fem. together, then why do you need to keep a gay identity at all? Don't you get that you're fairly hypocritical in this conviction? It makes no sense that you wan to unify people but remain distinct.
@IchWerdeSterben111 NO, my question is, "why cant I be a normal gay guy?" If I wanted to ask "why cant I be a normal guy?" I would of asked that question. And where do you get off calling my logic weird compared to yours? Who says yours is more "normal" compared to mine? Its a differing of opinions. So sit back with that bullcrap. I want to unify the gay community, yes, but im not asking to be distinct at all. I dont want to classify myself as feminine or masculine. nothing wrong with that.
@Francisco2007 Lol because I have a natural hatred of hypocrisy. You even admit that you're a hypocrite, here. Why is your goal to unify only the gay community? Why don't you want to blend into the rest of the world? It makes no sense to me how you can be so against making distinctions, but you still want to be considered different from the rest of the world with the gay label. Why is that?
@IchWerdeSterben111 Because the gay community is important to me. If somebody doesnt stand up for us, nobody else will. As a gay man, I deal with the most hate because of it, so why try to focus on other things first, when the issue at hand is hate crimes again gay people? You can only deal with one thing at the time, and im focusing WITHIN the gay community.
@Francisco2007 Then therein lies the problem with this debate- that we're thinking on two completely different tracks. It's okay, we're not all born the same, with the same convictions. I would love to continue this, and I might even be able to later, but right now, I have to go to work. I just want you to know that although I think you're hypocritical, and that what you're saying is evocative of communism and is completely unrealistic, I still respect you and your right to say it. Goodbye!
@IchWerdeSterben111 Eh, you can save yourself the trouble and the hassle on continuing to comment on my youtube video, conversation is done. I'm not hypocritical, I have different views on different things. Things are not unrealistic, things are very possible. Anyways, goodbye.
@IchWerdeSterben111 Im against distinctions with-in our community because it keeps us apart and not united as a community. And WE ARE different from the rest of the world. Just like blacks, asians, spanish, mixed, politicians, religious people, ect are ALL different people. We're gay..its not a label.
@IchWerdeSterben111 By the way, I HATE that you try to act like your logic is so much better then mine. It's called "opinions," and everybody has them. So quit trying to act like your so much more almighty then me, cause buddy, your not. Equals.
i like francisco..he just look so calm and comfortable in his own skin......but u know francisco that also happens in the straight community..women want a masculine thuggish guy..so its not just in the gAy community..its everywhere . everyone wants that manly man
Ok so. I am gay and disabled. Plus some may say I am girly or fem. Actually don't care cause I can't change the fact that I am disabled,gay or fem. That is just how I am.
People do not leth you to be who you are, because their narrow minds do not leth them to be who they are, themselves.
Narrow-mindedness is a bitch. One walk outside the door with lack of clarity and your leg could be broken. The comments i read here on youtube towards feminine, even masculine gays are no different incidents.
They do it to themselves...
Poor people. When are they finally going to evolve?
It's not "stupid", as you so brazenly reiterate. It's who we are. As unfathomable to feminine gays as it may seem, we actually ARE masculine by nature, rather than put on an act like you think. I happen to believe this has more to do with the feminine guys' insecurities. It is NOT an act and we can't help who we're attracted to. You should say the same thing to women who wouldn't want feminine men. But you wouldn't even have a case there.
I'd like to thank you for displaying to people what very simple, basic, and unintelligent drivel goes through the heads of most of you who inhabit the gay community. Instead of reacting respectably to my words, you felt like insulting my character, or, better yet, my image. I'm only amused because you don't and will never know what I look like. Not that that has anything to do with it. If you wanted 'your people' to look someone intelligent, you would stick to the issue at hand.
@IchWerdeSterben111 "what very simple, basic, and unintillgent drivel goes through the heads of most of you who inhabit the gay community." You PROVE your complete ignorance and stupidity with-in one sentence. I really don't need to say much more. Yes, he insulted your image, because that's his way of dealing with the situation. But to associate EVERYBODY in the gay community because of ONE person's comment, just shows how ignorant you are. One of the many people today who has no grasp on equal
@Francisco2007 Stupidity isn't demonstrated through the subject matter of what someone says, or if it doesn't fit well with what you think. Stupidity is actually shown through a person's conduct (eg. spelling 'within' as 'with-in' or 'you're' as 'your', as you did). I find it funny that in the same sentence accusing me of being stupid, you reveal your own stupidity. Pretty ironic. You need to be careful, buddy, or your credibility will go right out the window.
@IchWerdeSterben111 Only somebody who has no other basis to try and insult somebody has to talk about vocabulary or punctuation. I dont sit back and spell check my comments, where as, im sure you do. I know the difference between things, trust me. But what im talking about pertaining to you, has NOTHING to do with punctuation or vocabulary. And yes, stupidity is demonstrated from what someone says. People say A LOT of stupid things, which therefore shows their stupidity qualities.
@Francisco2007 Oh yeah, that's fair. I agree with you there, I shouldn't be picking out your spelling mistakes. I just thought it was kind of funny because you were calling me stupid. Calling me stupid essentially for having a different opinion. Before insulting the way you spell, I never called you stupid or attacked you personally at all. It's unnecessary and unprofessional.
@IchWerdeSterben111 I called you stupid because you not only insulted me by saying that simple, basic, and unintelligent drivel goes through my head because "most of you" who inhabit the gay community..you showed ignorance by making such a broad statement, and I called it out. So no, it wasnt about your differing opinion. It was about your hateful comment.
@IchWerdeSterben111 And who are you to judge my credibility? Your a random who watched MY YOUTUBE video. I dont think I was gunning to aim for your approval on my credibility.
@Francisco2007 "Judge, judge judge". Always a word gay people throw around like salad dressing. The truth is, I'm not doing the judgement here- the world is, on you. People judge you based on your conduct. But anyway, that's besides the point. People judge. Shouldn't we just deal with that?
@Francisco2007 Oh, by the way, I didn't infer from HIS COMMENT alone that the gay community was foul. I'm not that simple. I drew my conclusion from a few years of experience dealing with many of them. Yes, it's a generalization, but a pretty fair one to say the least. Don't try to write my comments off as invalid because of THAT. That's loophole-finding, and it's petty. And also, I completely grasp equality.You want me to accept EQUITY, which is completely different and I don't like it.
@IchWerdeSterben111 In the end, what you like is completely different from what I like, so, I honestly just dont care. You must be in a shitty town with shitty people, because the gay people I deal with arent bitter and angry like you are. Smile a bit more and try to enjoy life. You sound like you have many issues and problems. Stop trying to pin point things in my comments to make me look stupid, cause its not working.
@Francisco2007 What I would really like, in all honesty, is to reach a consensus with people of every background and creed and to eliminate things like hypocrisy and making double-standards. I'm sorry sir, but you made a few double standards and they just irked me. I'm not saying you're a bad person; I actually think you are fairly brave to express your opinion over the internet. But you also must be prepared for opposition.
@IchWerdeSterben111 I am prepared for opposition, but not when people try to make it seem like my opinion is wrong, or my logic is not as strong compared to someone else's. An opinion is an opinion for a reason.
@IchWerdeSterben111 Actually, I would have a case there. But thats another day and another video. Yes, we are masculine by nature, because we're born men. I never said anything about people putting on an act, did I? And trust me, out of all the gays in the community, feminine gay guys are the LEAST to have insecurities. Yes, its true, you cant help but your attracted too, but let possibilities open up for you and dONT BE RUDE to people who arent "masculine or feminine" we're all people.
@Francisco2007 I wrote that because I don't agree with your unrealistic and almost communistic desire to blend two irreconcilable things. Yes, we should avoid persecution. But no, I'm sorry, sometimes we will not all be able to join hands and love each other equally. For instance, it is biologically impossible to instruct a hormone-driven man to find someone else sexually appealing. I will never be attracted to femininity, just like hetero will probably never be attracted to a masculine woman.
@IchWerdeSterben111 Then we make it okay for other people outside of the gay community to be hateful towards us. If we cant accept each other within our own community based off of "feminine and masculine," then we have problems. Its not unrealistic and not irreconcilable. Your a really negative person with no positive views at all. I never said you HAD to be attracted to feminine people, just WISHED masculine guys would give feminine guys or feminine give masculine guys a chance..jeeze.
@Francisco2007 I'm actually quite happy. I am blessed with the ability to look at this issue objectively, for the most part. I live in a wonderful city where people accept my homosexuality and I'm not forced into a rather counterproductive gay community where I'm in danger of having to deal with their issues. And the best part is- I can still find love. People, we don't need to live in communities anymore.
@IchWerdeSterben111 By the way, your the one who mentioned above "who inhabit the gay community." So figure it out. I think calling it a community shows a sense of strength. We are a community. We're a minority of the world and its a very big community.
@IchWerdeSterben111 and how can you say "never?" Your probably one of these people with a routine life, walking around, bored and unhappy. You dont know if a hetero wouldn't like a masculine women, ur not in any of those peoples positions. Just like you dont know if a masculine gay man would wind up liking a feminine dude. Its all about giving chances and taking risks. Anythings possible and thats what in my head, im aiming for. Thats my opinion. You dont have to like it, and I dont care if u do
@Francisco2007 I would love to say things are that positive. When everyone has the potential to be attracted to anyone else. But the thing is, I have lived so long among straight people (I essentially AM straight) that I know what they like. And I know they were exactly like homosexuals in that they are not going to be attracted to certain people. It's just like if I asked you to TRY to like a woman. It's not very likely it will happen. All I want is to eliminate double standards.
@IchWerdeSterben111 everyone does have the potential to be attracted to someone else. It's about opening up your mind and trying new things. Like trying a vegetable you never liked...you NEVER know. Just like you think im hypocritical, I think your pessimistic.
first u are well hot. and i wish i was a gay guy.( i am a woman) second i think what u are sayin is so right. i think being openly gay , ts, tg bisexual etc is part of our very important human evolution. its teaching us what we are. that we arent just boy girl or straight or gay or ts or what ever. we are gynandrous. google it. bisexual was originally a word that ment neither female or male.
i find this whole war pointless theres more than two types of gays i know i fall in between so what am i supose to be netural this war is for lack of better words shouldnt exist we need to fight for rights not eachother
There are no 'gay' defined males who are actually 'masculine gendered'. they just pretend to be masculine ... that's why they're called 'straight acting.'
The actual masculine gendered that like men hide themselves behind a fake heterosexual identity, because, thanks to the faggots, being straight (i.e. masculine gendered) is today defined as 'liking women exclusively.' And they're not feminine gendered, so they're not 'gay'.
Those gay guys who are masculine and look down the feminine guys are do so becouse they having self confidence issues. The feminine guys represent the "gayness" for them what they didndt accpeted within themselves!! They want to act straight becouse they want to get accepted, they are afraid being judged about their gayness. So they judge others. Its mean. They are weak,and they just want to fit into the society, rather to form it.
@Prough1993 Are you saying that anyone who doesn't agree with him or like-minded people are bigoted? Well that's not very nice. So much for the freedoms which the leftists always attribute to themselves. Seems pretty totalitarian to me.
@Prough1993 Yes I did. And whether I agree with it or not, it doesn't matter. I don't like this notion that, because we don't agree with the most left-wing utopian view of things, we're suddenly devils advocates, or "bigoted idiots" as you put it.
@IchWerdeSterben111 why do things ALWAYS have to turn political? HAVE YOUR own damn opinion and stop worrying about politics, the bible, the PUBLIC opinion..jeeeeze!!!
@Francisco2007 Because politics and public opinion affect my life in insurmountable ways. Why deny that? It obviously does to you as well, or you wouldn't have made this video. Duh. I don't even remember mentioning the bible because I wrote that so long ago.
@itsAndrogyn All these rediculous and utopian comments are quite obviously based more upon hyprocritcal insecurity within yourself than actual fact. The actual fact, if you would open your narrow minds, is that we masculine gay guys are NOT ACTING, and that it shouldn't be a huge shocker that we are actually interesting in masculine things. Why is that so hard to fathom? I was called a homophobe once because I was holding a football.
@IchWerdeSterben111 No one said your ACTING masculine. Masculine people are masculine people, but your still gay. no one said its a bad thing if you like to do masculine things. did I SAY that in my video? DID I USE that as a point in my video? at all???? so where in the world are you getting this from?
You go girl! People who have the strength to say this stuff help me go on. I personally am having HUGE troubles with who I am, or what I am. These kinds of videos comfort me. Thank you. And just sayingggg, I find the fem guys who have the balls to be who they are at LEAST ten times as attractive as the masculines who try to hide it.
@KermitWithAShotgun You're saying the same precise hypocritical thing as a ton of other feminine gay men say. According to you, it is the common denominator that all homosexuals will act feminine. This couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm not any more feminine than the average straight guy. Don't assume we all follow the same path. I don't. I guess this is what you meant by "..to be who they are.... try to hide it..."
@IchWerdeSterben111 its fine if u act straight. but i meant people who hide their sexuality. You're an idiot. You come on here batting down every single comment. you're not going to change my views, so stop trying. go suck a dick. thats what im gonna do.
Nah man I wasn't even gonna bother trying to change your views. It's not really up there on my list of priorities. Don't flatter yourself. I just had a little time before homework. You people really don't matter that much to me, I was just practicing for my MUN class. Thanks though. Oh I'm planning on sucking a cock. He's my boyfriend who I've actually managed to keep for two years.
i don't like people to think i'm gay. so all my friends are very masculine straight guys. i'm sure i suffer from internalized homophobia. why do gay men like me like to act str8?
i totally agree with you.. but... people can't help who they are attracted to. like some fem guys just aren't attracted to other fem guys, they can't help it. and then masc guys just aren't attracted to fem guys.. But either way we should not divide ourselves and judge within our community!
I totally agree. Why can't I just be a gay guy? I don't really identify myself as a masculine or feminine gay... I find its better for me to just be myself. I find that at times I can be more feminine and others I can be more masculine and I don't feel as though I'm being untrue to myself in either situation.
And if any guy has seriously turned you down cause you're to feminine he's an idiot... you're gorgeous.
Yall really need to understand this!!! This differes if you dont like Feminine guys or Masculine guys. Everbody has there types it doesn't matter!!! for everybody saying "oh There is hate going towards feminine guys." There is fucking hate out throw out the whole damn world!! What does it Matter?
gom42012 2 months ago
I'll say this once and for all: If you think fem guys give your lives such hardships get a fking rifle and kill them all. what a bunch of complaining pricks.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
I understand your point we shouldn't have labels, but you also gotta understand like even in the straight community everyone has a preference. However I dont think anyone should put another person down because of the way they are. Like for example you might only like white guys should you be prosecuted for that? No. anyway nice video=)
Equality4ya 3 months ago
Well, then you might as well be bi then, if you're just attracted to the person. Regardless of gender.
starfaery 3 months ago
I'm a combo of both, I dress slighlty andrognyous but act and speak completely masculine, my appearance is what throws alot em off
bluBlaq33 3 months ago
unfortunately i can't type with my hands on my hips. so no comment.
roli252520 3 months ago
Your sexuality should describe who your attracted to and it being the same sex does not mean you should be feminine to the point of being a girl. That only adds to a bad stereotype. If your attracted to men why would you want someone who basically acts like a girl? And why would you act like a girl because your gay?
MrSinister84 5 months ago
@MrSinister84 Dont you think that proves that these men dont choose to be feminine? If they know that they would be more desired as masc men they would probably just turn the feminine off. It can't be switched off. If a feminine woman tried being masculine even for ONE DAY she would be mentally exhausted, and that is the same for feminine men. The idea that men are masculine and women are feminine is a social lie, because fem and masc traits in both genders has existed since the dawn of time
RodTalon0000 4 months ago
@RodTalon0000
I know that men gay or straight are feminine in some way. But not to the degree where your acting more like a girl than a real girl does. I'm sure if that women tried not to be as EXTREMELY feminine instead of being masculine than it wouldn't be mentally exhausting. Its not about feminine or masculine but the level of extreme that can be controlled. The idea that gay men are feminine is a social lie, because who your attracted to and how you act aren't the same thing.
MrSinister84 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 Thats your first mistake, is to assume that these men are trying to act like girls. They are born feminine, and are in no way trying i assure you. Have you ever raised a feminine male child? Did you watch Michael Jackson grow up like the rest of us? If you saw one grow up, you would see how natural it came to them... Feminine boys in ancient societies were not just tolerated, they were HONORED. They are creative, emotional children, and we need to learn to appreciate their gifts.
RodTalon0000 4 months ago
@RodTalon0000
Feminine boys like MJ and I know some too but than there are those that go to the extreme that it would have to be a choice to act that extremely feminine. My point is that gay men are being automatically stereotyped as the typical feminine gay guy just because there gay and its not ok. Just look at some of the TV shows with gay characters, the majority are typed as that feminine stereotype.
MrSinister84 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 i understand where youre coming from. The fem homosexual males on television give people the idea that ALL gay men are QUEENS. However those men need to be represented too, because they exist. And I COMPLETELY agree that masculine homosexuals need to be represented as well. But there isnt a demand for them. Everyone knows the masc male, we see him everyday. Who was more popular in Will and Grace? Jack or Will? Jack. The fems are more entertaining. But i totally see your point
RodTalon0000 4 months ago
@RodTalon0000
I'm glad we agree on this. But I do think there should be a more balance representation. So we can get rid of this perception that people expect to see when they meet a gay male.
MrSinister84 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 you know y there are fewer masc gay men in the media? cuz they are too busy trying to "blend in", to try to be "normal" or bury themselves deep in the closet they cant even see the sun let alone have themselves portrayed in the media. Im soooo sick of how masc gays put the blame on fem gays for their bad image. People hate gays because they suck DICKS, doesnt matter how they ACT. most fem guys have it harder already just for being who they r they dont need this shit.
xtacee1990 4 months ago
@xtacee1990
Really? Just because masculine gays don't wear there sexuality on there sleeve there deep in the closet. Maybe there not in the media because they don't feel the need to act likes over the top clowns to get parts as stereotyped token characters. People hate gays also because they think all gay men just want to be girls and want to shove there sexuality in everyone's faces. It does matter how you act because in the end gay or not, if you act like a clown you will be treated like one.
MrSinister84 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 Funny how you talk about fem gays as clowns and stuff. Straight acting gays always come across as self-centered assholes who think the world revolves around them. If SOME fem guys are loud and silly so they deserve to be called clowns. But it's not your place to generally say that all fem guys are giving straight acting gays a bad name.
xtacee1990 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 Actually it's straight acting gays who give the gays a bad name by pretending to be straight and get married w women. How do u think they deceive those poor women and society? By acting straight and macho. And as far as I know no fem gays accuse those gays of anything. Why straight acting men feel the need to belittle other gays is just beyond any rationalizing process. If you want society to respect you etc respect others first before putting the blame on others.
xtacee1990 4 months ago
@xtacee1990
Straight acting and closet cases are two different things. Acting in any level of extreme from straight and macho to fem and girly helps no one. It only enforces a bad stereotype. If you want society to respect you, respect yourself and how you present yourself. Helping enforce a bad stereotype and being proud about it is beyond common sense.
MrSinister84 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 what is bad about femininity? Just because that's against the conventional gender norms doesnt mean it's bad stereotype per se. In the end if people's perceptions about things are according to gender norms there would never be women's rights, racial minorities's rights and gay rights. And if by presenting yourselves u mean to make a conscious effort to TRY to ACT straight then you can live ur "normal" "manly" lives for all I care. Justdont blame others
xtacee1990 4 months ago
@xtacee1990
When people consider that stereotype true as it represents all gay men than it is bad. It would be like that stereotype that all women should be and are good happy homemakers even if some actually are, its not a representation of every women. Its as bad as any racial stereotype as well, despite that some in that race represent that stereotype. There is no acting in sexuality, only when it becomes your whole self being and representation as oppose to just a small fact about yourself.
MrSinister84 4 months ago
@MrSinister84 In that case then why not criticize the people who stereotype instead of hating upon the fem gays? In the end they're simply showing who they are. It's like the people who stereotype against women choose that particular type of women to represent all women. It's not the chosen women's fault. As for the fem gays, being fem is a small fact of themselves. It's the straight-acting gays who think that it is what's all about them by zooming that particular trait out.
xtacee1990 4 months ago
@xtacee1990
When they help enforce that stereotype then they are in part responsible for that stereotype. Straight acting guys don't wear there sexuality on there sleeves or feel the need to fit that stereotype, they don't take sexuality as more than what sex they are attracted to.
MrSinister84 3 months ago
@MrSinister84 im so fed up w u blaming on the fem guys. just because straight ppl choose them as representatives of the whole gay community does NOT make the stereotype their fault. Is it the big boobed girl's fault when men view women as sex objects? they are being who they are so let them be. nobody has ever asked the straight acting gays to be gayer so idk y u feel the need to ask ppl to conform to ur standard.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@MrSinister84 u talked about feeling the need to fit the stereotype. funny u should talk since ur the one who is trying hard to fit in the gender norms about how men should behave. too bad u will NEVER be a REAL man since in the end u still suck DICKS and thats no men for society. I dont care about that but since u get so worked up about it so im just gonna rub it in. Live a long happy life w ur straight acting superior stuck up attitude. Goodbye and good riddance.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990
Sorry to me sexuality is just a small part of who you are that just explains who your attracted to. But I guess to people like you it's more than that, its basically your whole personality and your entire being. Real men don't need to yell at people about what they suck or eat, well I guess if you sexuality is your whole personality than you would. Live a long happy stereotypical life that is revolved around your sexuality. Goodbye.
MrSinister84 3 months ago
@MrSinister84 u r the one who lives ur sexuality by trying to conform urself into the social gender norm. do u think when the "queens" act do they stop a minute and think how they should act? it's straight acting gay men who have to constantly consciously make an effort to fit in the norms. REAL MEN? yeah, ur one real men who suck cocks. sorry u cant have it both way because conventional REAL MEN fuck pussies.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990
Fit into gender norms? Just because you suck cock doesn't mean you should act like a girl as well. The real truth is REAL MEN ARE STILL MEN. Sucking all the cock in the world doesn't change the fact that you still a MAN.
MrSinister84 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 “Actually it's straight acting gays who give the gays a bad name by pretending to be straight and get married w women. How do u think they deceive those poor women and society? By acting straight and macho.” Wow! Got 1 hell of a flame war raging here so I thought I’d jump in and say that the guy’s u r describing above aren’t masculine gay men their closet cases which is very different....[p1 cont]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest....[p2 cont ]....So the point u r trying 2 make is wrong as most masculine gay men tend 2 b open about their sexual preference and so do not have relationships with women. Just wanted 2 say that so don't get all bent out of shape over it dude.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest im sorry but last time i checked there's no "queens" who shower w straight college football kids and pretend to be their masculine non-gay friend and then sexually abuse them. the straight acting gay men keep blaming the fem gays for everything but dont they look back at themselves and see how ppl like them have damaged all the fights by using their macho straight acting cover to commit all kind of perverted acts w straight guys (kids).
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990
Wow are you serious? Comparing pedophiles to straight acting gay men? There pedophiles because they like little kids, no matter there sexuality.
MrSinister84 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest im not an irrational person but if u want to put the blame on others irrationally i'll keep it up w ya.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 “im sorry but last time i checked there's no "queens" who shower w straight college football kids and pretend to be their masculine non-gay friend and then sexually abuse them.”
Do u have any evidence 2 actually support this assertion or r u just pulling it out of thin air? Also how do u get that from what I wrote?....[p1 cont]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2 cont]...“im not an irrational person”
Yeah...ok....I really get that from what u wrote and you’re not going 2 get any argument from me about that. But in all honest how am I putting the blame on any1 exactly as all I did was refute 1 point u made in 1 of your posts that’s all.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest well like i said i know that point is silly and in all sanity i would never say that in real life. my point was if u blame all the bad stereotypes on the fem gays then i just wanna show u that straight acting gay men also accumulate horrible stereotypes for the gay community. but they have to be all superior and blame blame blame others for their conformist life-style.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest wikipedia Penn State scandal. also look up Green v The Queen (1997) 191 CLR 334. these are the proof that there are SOME straight acting gays use there sexual mannerism to prey on straight men (and kids). and no fems have ever called them out on this. but straight acting men have the audacity to blame these fems for making them look bad, or unable to come out.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 I don’t think the cases u cited show how masculine gay men perpetuate stereotypes 4 the gay community as neither of these cases featured a masculine gay men as the perpetrator of the crimes. Moreover when u read up on the cases u find that the facts show that the men who carried out these crimes were not masculine gay men...[p1 cont]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2 cont]...as the case of the Penn State scandal it was a paedophilia who abused the boys and in the case of Green v TheQueen (1997) there is evidence that homophobia played a role in that crime. Furthermore it is these men’s proclivity towards abuse, violence, and possibly homophobia which caused them 2 do these things not masculinity or even homosexuality....[cont p3]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p3 cont]...So I fail 2 c how masculine gay men r responsible 4 these cases or how they help 2 create negative stereotypes 4 the gay community.
Also may I ask how masculine gay men r conformist 2 society’s expectations? I mean, I a masculine gay men and I am just me no more no less. So how does that make me a conformist?
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
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xtacee1990 3 months ago
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@xtacee1990 i said this and im gonna say it again, whoever removed my comments can SUCK IT.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest straight acting men = social conformist to gender norm because they expect males to behave according to how society expects men to act. according to ppl like u if men have to be men and if they're girly they give u a bad name. HOW is that not conforming to the social standards? u talk about being urself and shit but u impose ur standard of behaviour on others and chastise and blame them for ur hardships when they dont. do u even see the hypocrisy?
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 U know I wish u would stop describing all masculine gay men as straight acting because we r not acting straight we simply r masculine men that’s all. Also I don’t want 2 shock u 2 much by telling u this but not all masculine men (regardless of sexual orientation) think alike. And though some masculine men look down on feminine men not all do nor do they demand that all males act, look, and think alike....[p1 cont p2]....
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest...[p2 cont]...Furthermore I and other masculine gay men r not conformist as we act in a way which is most natural 2 us and it seems from reading your posts that u r arguing that men like me should do what u want and act in a way that u deem correct (which would b unnatural/inauthentic way of life 4 men like me) just 2 prove 2 u that what were good enlighten people like u....[cont p3]....
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p3]....Also how do u know that gender traits just come from society and aren’t something more biological in nature?
Finally how have I tried 2 enforce my masculinity on u and others how by simply existing because I have made no statement in my posts which have been targeted towards that end.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest tell that to ur fellow straight actin gay men and their usual complaints " im stereotyped because of fem guys. fem guys give me a bad name. why do they have to be so girly. why cant they just be men like me." until they change their attitudes dont expect anyone to think differently of them. look at the comments by Mrsinister84. he's ur fellow straight acting gay men.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest and i really dont care but u act straight or gay or colorful. that's ur life. but pls dont say the shit that i just describe. those fem guys have been shunned by the straight society already. they dont need gay ppl to chastise them as well. who are u to judge them?
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 First whenever I c some1 act horrible 2 another person 4 no reason I try 2 tell that person not 2 do that. This includes masculine gay men.
“until they change their attitudes dont expect anyone to think differently of them.”
So let me get the above straight u mean 2 tell me that if some members of a group act badly that all members of that group deserve 2 b punished 4 the actions of that group as if their guilty even if they themselves have don’t nothing wrong....[p1 cont p2]
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest [p2]...What interesting logic.
Furthermore I have never demeaned a feminine gay man 4 being that way. In fact I have defended them on a few occasions. Also feminine gay’s r not the only people 2 b rejected by straight people.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest well i didnt see you calling out anyone else who acts straight and puts the blame on the fem guys. you say im punishing straight acting men for some individuals. my ass. everywhere i go there're always straight acting gay men making faces as if fem guys are disgusting. do u go out and change their attitude? do u preach to them that they should not discriminate those fems and let them be who they are? I guess not.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest when u put a blind on the attitudes of ppl like MrSinister84, but choose me to counter voice ur opinions to, dont preach to me about "First whenever I c some1 act horrible 2 another person 4 no reason I try 2 tell that person not 2 do that. This includes masculine gay men." or "if some members of a group act badly that all members of that group deserve 2 b punished 4 the actions of that group as if their guilty even if they themselves have don’t nothing wrong". U R THEM.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 First I wasn’t preaching. I was merely stating the truth. Second I will not b held responsible 4 the acts of others (gay or straight, male or female, rich or poor) especially those in which I played little or no part. I guess this must b hard thing 4 u 2 understand after all u seem 2 like the idea of collective guilt....[p1 cont p2]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2]....Third I do engage individuals about their conduct towards others though that does not mean that I go around getting people’s faces telling them how 2 live or what 2 think as freedom of expression is something I tend 2 believe in.
Fourth I just have 2 ask out of morbid curiosity. How r feminine gay me discriminated against by masculine gay men such and myself (apparently according 2 u)?....[cont p3]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ....[p3]....And finally the reason me and u r having this back and forth and not Mrsinister84 is because u made post that was wrong and I wanted 2 point that out then u responded which has lead us directly here.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest Also u r right I am a masculine gay man and I’m very proud 2 b 1.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest As I have said in the beginning, if he and ppl like him keep being irrational and blaming the stigmas they have received on the fem guys, I will keep up w his irrationality. I was simply showing him that not only fem guys perpetuate stereotypes, straight acting gays have been doing the same as well. They are no better than anyone so why get all high and mighty and blame everyone. In the end society hates u because u suck cocks, doesnt matter how masculine u are.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest also, im fed up w the misogynistic attitude that many straight actin gay men harbour. what's wrong w femininity? why is it offensive to them that some gay men are feminine? gay ourselves are already the anomalies yet some straight acting gay men have the audacity to judge others and call them abnormal according to the gender norms. What a JOKE. Again, im not an irrational person, but if ppl want to be so i promise i'll keep up w that.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest and how fem guys are discriminated by straight acting gay men? R U blind or deaf? everywhere i go there's got to be some conversations like, why are those guys so girly? why are they such fags? why dont they be like me and be a man? a man has to be a man etc. all these derogatory words are proof and they scream discrimination to me.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 First off u were not dealing with him during our exchanges u were dealing with me and I have 2 say that u were very rude and insulting towards me 4 no good reason.
Second I do not doubt that some gay men harbour sexist feeling towards women but I also know lesbian who hate femininity 2 and dislike feminine gay men, lesbians, and transwomen 4 being that way so I don’t think it’s just gay men....[p1 cont p2]....
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2]....Finally I disagree with your definition of discrimination as discrimination 2 me involves objective things (e.g. violence against the target group, the denial of legal and economic rights, and a lack of political representation). I do not c masculine gay men doing any of the above against feminine gays. All I c is people expressing an opinion nothing more.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest I'm very rude and insulting to me? u jumped into a middle of an argument w/out knowing where i was going so it should have been anticipated that i would get combative to u. and he said the shitty thing as well but u said nothing. im not asking u to take my side but if ur giving a hand to ppl like him dont expect me to be nice to u.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest expressing opinions? more like blaming and insulting to me. according to what i have read if the majority of straight acting gays would never give the fem guys any chance to be near them if they can. they feel ashamed of those fem guys. there's a trend that many gay organizations have put forward the straight actin gay men as representatives and the "too gay" ones are being shunned aside because of the thought that fem guys make bad stereotypes. thats discrimination.
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest I said this, and Im gonna it again. If straight acting gay men feel that irritated by fem gays. buy a fkin rifle and shoot them all. obviously when ur fem and camp ur too gay and bad for the whole "community". so y not clean them out of the world?
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@xtacee1990 I am not on his side or any1 else’s and I haven’t given any support or credence 2 his point of view in my posts here. What may I ask could I have done 2 make u happy argue with him and cuss him out like u did. Also when I decided 2 post my first comment 2 u I did not do so hoping 2 start a fight I simply wanted 2 point out an error u made that’s all...[p1 cont p2]...
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest ...[p2]...However since then u have responded with a certain amount of rudeness and aggression towards me that I feel was unnecessary. Especially since I have done my best 2 engaged with u respectfully.
Also I don’t think that its discrimination when gay organisations choose masculine gay men as their representatives as their r more masculine gay men then feminine 1. I mean how is it discrimination towards feminine gay men they r not being hurt or denied in anyway...[cont p3]..
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest...[p3]...“If straight acting gay men feel that irritated by fem gays. buy a fkin rifle and shoot them all. obviously when ur fem and camp ur too gay and bad for the whole "community". so y not clean them out of the world?”
Ok the above is so melodramatic and over the top that it is just silly.
AdamaKnowsBest 3 months ago
@AdamaKnowsBest regarding the cases, would a straight man ever feel comfortable enough around a fem gay man to let them be close to them? the psychology of most straight men is that they will only associate w men who act straight when they dont know about the others' sexuality. many cases whereby straight men are sexually assaulted by gay men happen in a private context that means the victims have to trust them enough to let them in. do u think they would trust fem men given the social stigma?
xtacee1990 3 months ago
@MrSpemat I so agree with you. I happen to hang out with mostly straight guys because, well, we share the same interests (except sexuality of course) and I find it a bit hard to hang out with most women because I don't really enjoy shopping and such. >.<
TheYipedo 5 months ago
Let people be who they want to be. Period.
MissTeenageNothing 6 months ago
To all my fellow GAYS(Feminine or NOT): We are HATED by most STRAIGHT people in this world since the world full of STRAIGHT. Why should we not get along and be comfortable and help each other which we all happen to be GAY!? Now, I even feel like I'm not comfortable with my Gay community because of this SHIT of being FEMININE and BUTCHES.SAD! Shouldn't we be UNITED? We all like cocks and fight for the RIGHTS since most of STRAIGHT against us! It's discrimination and unfair.PEACE GAY WORLD! PLZ!
preciousprettypaula 8 months ago
BTW your not fem, i can see that you have a sence of man, but a heart of a girl!! that makes me smile when someone is like that!
DANCER720ful 11 months ago
aw your cute, i would give you a chance, you seem loving and caring, I dont date queens but you have a cute mix. Bc i feel like you have the best of both worlds, and I like that! :)
DANCER720ful 11 months ago
See, thing is, people go off general assumptions and common factors. If you're "feminine" I don't understand why you go after masculine gay guys. The reason I don't date feminine gay guys cause on the whole, how much are you likely gonna have in common? How many fem gays like hockey, atving, hiking, flying planes and cars? Not any I've met. Meanwhile, most feminine gay guys characterised me as an ass cause i'm just blunt and don't give a fuck, whereas they're usually dramatic and sensitive.
usernamesomeone 1 year ago
@usernamesomeone holy sh*t dude, we're the same. I'm totally considered an ass for the same reason! Why the hell can't gay guys, just be guys. I always had the impression that feminine gay guys put on an act just to be more accepted in what they call their community. Guys, I'm gay, i have no gay friends cause i don't get along with any, all my friends are straight guys, they all know, and they don't give a shit, just be yourselves !
roporo 1 year ago
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newfish09 10 months ago
@usernamesomeone @roporo maybe they are being themselves you want them to fake their way into machoness?
newfish09 10 months ago
I completely agree with everything you said. I used to be like, "Oh, I'm only looking for masculine guys". And I was unhappy. I met assholes. Etc, etc. Well, then I let all that go, and I met someone who I am really happy with. And he's not the most masculine guy, but he makes me smile. And he's true to himself. And that's how it should be. Good video :)
TcgRichard 1 year ago
In the Army its even more of a divide as far as the super heteros segregating themselves from the less "straight acting", Its frustrating.
333FireStarter 1 year ago
That's the problem with people,their stuck on hang ups. And why should you be known as just a gay guy? Why not just Francisco who happens to adore men. My best friend from Spain happens to be feminine but it's natural for him. I am considered masculine by other gays but I can appreciate both. Anyone to let a potential life long love pass you buy all because of some dumb hang up you have about dating a masculine or feminine guy is pretty lame.
StefanoTiano 1 year ago
I hate your logic. And the sense of entitlement that you employ to try and back it up. "Why can't I just be a normal gay guy?" is a thought I'm hearing from you. But the real question should be "why can't I just be a normal guy?". If we're going to apply your weird logic of blending masc. and fem. together, then why do you need to keep a gay identity at all? Don't you get that you're fairly hypocritical in this conviction? It makes no sense that you wan to unify people but remain distinct.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 NO, my question is, "why cant I be a normal gay guy?" If I wanted to ask "why cant I be a normal guy?" I would of asked that question. And where do you get off calling my logic weird compared to yours? Who says yours is more "normal" compared to mine? Its a differing of opinions. So sit back with that bullcrap. I want to unify the gay community, yes, but im not asking to be distinct at all. I dont want to classify myself as feminine or masculine. nothing wrong with that.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 Lol because I have a natural hatred of hypocrisy. You even admit that you're a hypocrite, here. Why is your goal to unify only the gay community? Why don't you want to blend into the rest of the world? It makes no sense to me how you can be so against making distinctions, but you still want to be considered different from the rest of the world with the gay label. Why is that?
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Because the gay community is important to me. If somebody doesnt stand up for us, nobody else will. As a gay man, I deal with the most hate because of it, so why try to focus on other things first, when the issue at hand is hate crimes again gay people? You can only deal with one thing at the time, and im focusing WITHIN the gay community.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 Then therein lies the problem with this debate- that we're thinking on two completely different tracks. It's okay, we're not all born the same, with the same convictions. I would love to continue this, and I might even be able to later, but right now, I have to go to work. I just want you to know that although I think you're hypocritical, and that what you're saying is evocative of communism and is completely unrealistic, I still respect you and your right to say it. Goodbye!
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Eh, you can save yourself the trouble and the hassle on continuing to comment on my youtube video, conversation is done. I'm not hypocritical, I have different views on different things. Things are not unrealistic, things are very possible. Anyways, goodbye.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Im against distinctions with-in our community because it keeps us apart and not united as a community. And WE ARE different from the rest of the world. Just like blacks, asians, spanish, mixed, politicians, religious people, ect are ALL different people. We're gay..its not a label.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 By the way, I HATE that you try to act like your logic is so much better then mine. It's called "opinions," and everybody has them. So quit trying to act like your so much more almighty then me, cause buddy, your not. Equals.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
you have a masculine face
kfag101 1 year ago
the sad thing is you are good looking MAN now act like one!! you can be manly and gay
kfag101 1 year ago
you dont have to be anything francisco you can just be HOT! lol
OhSleeperAwake 1 year ago
i like francisco..he just look so calm and comfortable in his own skin......but u know francisco that also happens in the straight community..women want a masculine thuggish guy..so its not just in the gAy community..its everywhere . everyone wants that manly man
onedominicanfellow 1 year ago
@onedominicanfellow yeah, i know it happens everywhere. such a shame! :(
Francisco2007 1 year ago
Ok so. I am gay and disabled. Plus some may say I am girly or fem. Actually don't care cause I can't change the fact that I am disabled,gay or fem. That is just how I am.
phoenix9ty 1 year ago
@phoenix9ty yeah, everybody is, who they are. and thats the way it is.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
People do not leth you to be who you are, because their narrow minds do not leth them to be who they are, themselves.
Narrow-mindedness is a bitch. One walk outside the door with lack of clarity and your leg could be broken. The comments i read here on youtube towards feminine, even masculine gays are no different incidents.
They do it to themselves...
Poor people. When are they finally going to evolve?
ImADancerrrr 1 year ago
you are a flamer! you talk like kim kardashian queen!! act like a MAN!!!
kfag101 1 year ago
@kfag101 pfff. go somewhere else with your ignorance. punk.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
It's not "stupid", as you so brazenly reiterate. It's who we are. As unfathomable to feminine gays as it may seem, we actually ARE masculine by nature, rather than put on an act like you think. I happen to believe this has more to do with the feminine guys' insecurities. It is NOT an act and we can't help who we're attracted to. You should say the same thing to women who wouldn't want feminine men. But you wouldn't even have a case there.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 feminine men are hot. so i wish all gays were feminine. ur probably a bear and dont like the fact that fems are hotter than u.
KermitWithAShotgun 1 year ago
I'd like to thank you for displaying to people what very simple, basic, and unintelligent drivel goes through the heads of most of you who inhabit the gay community. Instead of reacting respectably to my words, you felt like insulting my character, or, better yet, my image. I'm only amused because you don't and will never know what I look like. Not that that has anything to do with it. If you wanted 'your people' to look someone intelligent, you would stick to the issue at hand.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 "what very simple, basic, and unintillgent drivel goes through the heads of most of you who inhabit the gay community." You PROVE your complete ignorance and stupidity with-in one sentence. I really don't need to say much more. Yes, he insulted your image, because that's his way of dealing with the situation. But to associate EVERYBODY in the gay community because of ONE person's comment, just shows how ignorant you are. One of the many people today who has no grasp on equal
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 Stupidity isn't demonstrated through the subject matter of what someone says, or if it doesn't fit well with what you think. Stupidity is actually shown through a person's conduct (eg. spelling 'within' as 'with-in' or 'you're' as 'your', as you did). I find it funny that in the same sentence accusing me of being stupid, you reveal your own stupidity. Pretty ironic. You need to be careful, buddy, or your credibility will go right out the window.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Only somebody who has no other basis to try and insult somebody has to talk about vocabulary or punctuation. I dont sit back and spell check my comments, where as, im sure you do. I know the difference between things, trust me. But what im talking about pertaining to you, has NOTHING to do with punctuation or vocabulary. And yes, stupidity is demonstrated from what someone says. People say A LOT of stupid things, which therefore shows their stupidity qualities.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 Oh yeah, that's fair. I agree with you there, I shouldn't be picking out your spelling mistakes. I just thought it was kind of funny because you were calling me stupid. Calling me stupid essentially for having a different opinion. Before insulting the way you spell, I never called you stupid or attacked you personally at all. It's unnecessary and unprofessional.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 I called you stupid because you not only insulted me by saying that simple, basic, and unintelligent drivel goes through my head because "most of you" who inhabit the gay community..you showed ignorance by making such a broad statement, and I called it out. So no, it wasnt about your differing opinion. It was about your hateful comment.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 And who are you to judge my credibility? Your a random who watched MY YOUTUBE video. I dont think I was gunning to aim for your approval on my credibility.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 "Judge, judge judge". Always a word gay people throw around like salad dressing. The truth is, I'm not doing the judgement here- the world is, on you. People judge you based on your conduct. But anyway, that's besides the point. People judge. Shouldn't we just deal with that?
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 Oh, by the way, I didn't infer from HIS COMMENT alone that the gay community was foul. I'm not that simple. I drew my conclusion from a few years of experience dealing with many of them. Yes, it's a generalization, but a pretty fair one to say the least. Don't try to write my comments off as invalid because of THAT. That's loophole-finding, and it's petty. And also, I completely grasp equality.You want me to accept EQUITY, which is completely different and I don't like it.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 In the end, what you like is completely different from what I like, so, I honestly just dont care. You must be in a shitty town with shitty people, because the gay people I deal with arent bitter and angry like you are. Smile a bit more and try to enjoy life. You sound like you have many issues and problems. Stop trying to pin point things in my comments to make me look stupid, cause its not working.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 What I would really like, in all honesty, is to reach a consensus with people of every background and creed and to eliminate things like hypocrisy and making double-standards. I'm sorry sir, but you made a few double standards and they just irked me. I'm not saying you're a bad person; I actually think you are fairly brave to express your opinion over the internet. But you also must be prepared for opposition.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 I am prepared for opposition, but not when people try to make it seem like my opinion is wrong, or my logic is not as strong compared to someone else's. An opinion is an opinion for a reason.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@KermitWithAShotgun haha! Nailed it.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@KermitWithAShotgun Careful, your inferiority complex is showing.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 I'm done with you. Goodbye.
KermitWithAShotgun 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Actually, I would have a case there. But thats another day and another video. Yes, we are masculine by nature, because we're born men. I never said anything about people putting on an act, did I? And trust me, out of all the gays in the community, feminine gay guys are the LEAST to have insecurities. Yes, its true, you cant help but your attracted too, but let possibilities open up for you and dONT BE RUDE to people who arent "masculine or feminine" we're all people.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 I wrote that because I don't agree with your unrealistic and almost communistic desire to blend two irreconcilable things. Yes, we should avoid persecution. But no, I'm sorry, sometimes we will not all be able to join hands and love each other equally. For instance, it is biologically impossible to instruct a hormone-driven man to find someone else sexually appealing. I will never be attracted to femininity, just like hetero will probably never be attracted to a masculine woman.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Then we make it okay for other people outside of the gay community to be hateful towards us. If we cant accept each other within our own community based off of "feminine and masculine," then we have problems. Its not unrealistic and not irreconcilable. Your a really negative person with no positive views at all. I never said you HAD to be attracted to feminine people, just WISHED masculine guys would give feminine guys or feminine give masculine guys a chance..jeeze.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 I'm actually quite happy. I am blessed with the ability to look at this issue objectively, for the most part. I live in a wonderful city where people accept my homosexuality and I'm not forced into a rather counterproductive gay community where I'm in danger of having to deal with their issues. And the best part is- I can still find love. People, we don't need to live in communities anymore.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 By the way, your the one who mentioned above "who inhabit the gay community." So figure it out. I think calling it a community shows a sense of strength. We are a community. We're a minority of the world and its a very big community.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 and how can you say "never?" Your probably one of these people with a routine life, walking around, bored and unhappy. You dont know if a hetero wouldn't like a masculine women, ur not in any of those peoples positions. Just like you dont know if a masculine gay man would wind up liking a feminine dude. Its all about giving chances and taking risks. Anythings possible and thats what in my head, im aiming for. Thats my opinion. You dont have to like it, and I dont care if u do
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 I would love to say things are that positive. When everyone has the potential to be attracted to anyone else. But the thing is, I have lived so long among straight people (I essentially AM straight) that I know what they like. And I know they were exactly like homosexuals in that they are not going to be attracted to certain people. It's just like if I asked you to TRY to like a woman. It's not very likely it will happen. All I want is to eliminate double standards.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 everyone does have the potential to be attracted to someone else. It's about opening up your mind and trying new things. Like trying a vegetable you never liked...you NEVER know. Just like you think im hypocritical, I think your pessimistic.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
first u are well hot. and i wish i was a gay guy.( i am a woman) second i think what u are sayin is so right. i think being openly gay , ts, tg bisexual etc is part of our very important human evolution. its teaching us what we are. that we arent just boy girl or straight or gay or ts or what ever. we are gynandrous. google it. bisexual was originally a word that ment neither female or male.
OhSleeperAwake 1 year ago
@OhSleeperAwake exactly! :)
Francisco2007 1 year ago
I utterly agree with you.
Thus, I shall leave a video response.
P.S I like your attitude haha
P.P.S Youre totally adorable. K, I'll stop now lol
Keep on going strong! :]
KaiserFailed 1 year ago
@KaiserFailed ur the bomb
Francisco2007 1 year ago
i find this whole war pointless theres more than two types of gays i know i fall in between so what am i supose to be netural this war is for lack of better words shouldnt exist we need to fight for rights not eachother
boyblue00008 1 year ago
you are cute!
sunfighter86 1 year ago
i dont think it's judging. it's just preference. but i do think you have to try both fem. and masc. before you dismiss one lol :D
luisflick 1 year ago
@luisflick yeah, it is preference. but you cant knock something until you tryi t.
Francisco2007 1 year ago
Gay means feminine.
There are no 'gay' defined males who are actually 'masculine gendered'. they just pretend to be masculine ... that's why they're called 'straight acting.'
The actual masculine gendered that like men hide themselves behind a fake heterosexual identity, because, thanks to the faggots, being straight (i.e. masculine gendered) is today defined as 'liking women exclusively.' And they're not feminine gendered, so they're not 'gay'.
masculinity2007 2 years ago
I agree with this video 100%.
Can't we all just get along??
The problem is there's way too much fear and insecurities in this world in general.
TheAndyLoraProgram 2 years ago
Those gay guys who are masculine and look down the feminine guys are do so becouse they having self confidence issues. The feminine guys represent the "gayness" for them what they didndt accpeted within themselves!! They want to act straight becouse they want to get accepted, they are afraid being judged about their gayness. So they judge others. Its mean. They are weak,and they just want to fit into the society, rather to form it.
itsAndrogyn 2 years ago
you're an idiot.
DiVeronica 2 years ago
????
Francisco2007 2 years ago
@DiVeronica No he's not. You just don't agree with him because you're a bigoted idiot.
Prough1993 1 year ago
@Prough1993 Are you saying that anyone who doesn't agree with him or like-minded people are bigoted? Well that's not very nice. So much for the freedoms which the leftists always attribute to themselves. Seems pretty totalitarian to me.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Did you even read their comment?
Prough1993 1 year ago
@Prough1993 Yes I did. And whether I agree with it or not, it doesn't matter. I don't like this notion that, because we don't agree with the most left-wing utopian view of things, we're suddenly devils advocates, or "bigoted idiots" as you put it.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 why do things ALWAYS have to turn political? HAVE YOUR own damn opinion and stop worrying about politics, the bible, the PUBLIC opinion..jeeeeze!!!
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@Francisco2007 Because politics and public opinion affect my life in insurmountable ways. Why deny that? It obviously does to you as well, or you wouldn't have made this video. Duh. I don't even remember mentioning the bible because I wrote that so long ago.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@Prough1993 thanks for sticking up for me love! :D
Francisco2007 1 year ago
@itsAndrogyn All these rediculous and utopian comments are quite obviously based more upon hyprocritcal insecurity within yourself than actual fact. The actual fact, if you would open your narrow minds, is that we masculine gay guys are NOT ACTING, and that it shouldn't be a huge shocker that we are actually interesting in masculine things. Why is that so hard to fathom? I was called a homophobe once because I was holding a football.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 No one said your ACTING masculine. Masculine people are masculine people, but your still gay. no one said its a bad thing if you like to do masculine things. did I SAY that in my video? DID I USE that as a point in my video? at all???? so where in the world are you getting this from?
Francisco2007 1 year ago
You go girl! People who have the strength to say this stuff help me go on. I personally am having HUGE troubles with who I am, or what I am. These kinds of videos comfort me. Thank you. And just sayingggg, I find the fem guys who have the balls to be who they are at LEAST ten times as attractive as the masculines who try to hide it.
KermitWithAShotgun 2 years ago
exactly!!
Francisco2007 2 years ago
@KermitWithAShotgun You're saying the same precise hypocritical thing as a ton of other feminine gay men say. According to you, it is the common denominator that all homosexuals will act feminine. This couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm not any more feminine than the average straight guy. Don't assume we all follow the same path. I don't. I guess this is what you meant by "..to be who they are.... try to hide it..."
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 its fine if u act straight. but i meant people who hide their sexuality. You're an idiot. You come on here batting down every single comment. you're not going to change my views, so stop trying. go suck a dick. thats what im gonna do.
KermitWithAShotgun 1 year ago
Nah man I wasn't even gonna bother trying to change your views. It's not really up there on my list of priorities. Don't flatter yourself. I just had a little time before homework. You people really don't matter that much to me, I was just practicing for my MUN class. Thanks though. Oh I'm planning on sucking a cock. He's my boyfriend who I've actually managed to keep for two years.
IchWerdeSterben111 1 year ago
@IchWerdeSterben111 Good job. Happy for ya.
KermitWithAShotgun 1 year ago
i don't like people to think i'm gay. so all my friends are very masculine straight guys. i'm sure i suffer from internalized homophobia. why do gay men like me like to act str8?
zaynzaynzayn 2 years ago
cause your afraid of social adversities and what people have to say about you,
Francisco2007 2 years ago
In queer as folk there is no divide and that represents gay communities
jayjaybal 2 years ago
@jayjaybal Queer as folk is a tv show...... not real life.
KermitWithAShotgun 1 year ago
So many gay jocks who are typically masculine go for twinks who are typically feminine
jayjaybal 2 years ago
@jayjaybal not me! if I wanted a woman I would go for a real one!!
kfag101 2 years ago
i totally agree with you.. but... people can't help who they are attracted to. like some fem guys just aren't attracted to other fem guys, they can't help it. and then masc guys just aren't attracted to fem guys.. But either way we should not divide ourselves and judge within our community!
LiveThroughGarbage 2 years ago
I just think that you have to be open to all possibilities :)
Francisco2007 2 years ago
you sayy likee a lott :P
lucasloverkaylee 2 years ago
i knoww lol
Francisco2007 2 years ago
I totally agree. Why can't I just be a gay guy? I don't really identify myself as a masculine or feminine gay... I find its better for me to just be myself. I find that at times I can be more feminine and others I can be more masculine and I don't feel as though I'm being untrue to myself in either situation.
And if any guy has seriously turned you down cause you're to feminine he's an idiot... you're gorgeous.
wparietti22 2 years ago 2
for suree!!!
Francisco2007 2 years ago