actually whats funny about this episode is that they show the tricolor being raised above the GPO when in fact the flag flown was green with the words "irish republic" in gold
He says irish republic, but the leaders of this rebellion were planing to turn it into an independent kingdom and put the youngest son of the Kaiser on the throne, if it were won.
@nationalist19 A republic was proclaimed, in a republic everyone is equal, there is no room for ridiculous notions such as thrones or princes. You are mixing up an early Sinn Féin/Arthur Griffith policy with this IRB rebellion. If you think Clarke or MacDiarmada would have put a prince before the people then you are deluded.
@nationalist19 Today you probably do Even though according to studies Ireland has the one of the lowest rates of political corruption. Anyways i was referring to the sort lived provisional government which was a republic in name only. Yes that Easter week was a state of chaos, but any leader who knew they would most likely die in the end, in my book will always be the best leader of any form of government.
I know the first bit of the proclamation by heart now, much more well written than the American declaration. it's a shame that pearse wasnt a brilliant tactician as well as a visionary. maybe they could have accomplished a bit more than signing their own death warrants
that doesn't make it any less of a waste of life. and if his tactical knowledge was 'spot on' the rising would have succeeded militarily. His goal was a nationwide rising. that never happened because of poor planning and just the general broken spirit of the Irish people at that time. The rapid executions of the leaders got the Irish going, but that could have been done without martyrdom.
I am not disagreeing with you on it being a waste of life. You claimed he wasnt a brilliant tactician, was not much he could do when 35000 of the volunteers were over fighting for little Belgium, and the volunteers at home were not mobilized.
He knew there would be no victory, it was a blood sacrifice "got the Irish going"
"but that could have been done without martyrdom"
Martyrdom was the spark so many times for new generations of Irish to fight shackles of oppression.
the occupation of buildings may have seemed naive but Connolly thought that the British would be hesitant about blasting Dublin's commercial centre.. He thought the forces of British Capitalism wouldn't allow it.. So in that sense the rebels weren't as hell bent on blood sacrifice as it might seem. I do agree with you that Pearse was attracted to the idea of martyrdom but like our friend NapperTandy98 says he wasn't a military tactican.
@NapperTandy98 pearse did not come up with the initial plan to revolt yes but he signed on soon enough just the same unlike eoin macneil the brilliant historian and founder of the irish volunteer army who tried to prevent the rising and in fact played a large part it not being as successful as it otherwise may have been even though in the end he suited up armed himself and marched off to face the same fate as the rest only to be immediately arrested without ever having fired a shot
@theboyoofoly MacNeil's counter mobilization completely frigged everything up. Because of him whole companies didn't know what to do or didn't show up as far as I can see he more or less sabotaged the whole damn thing. For instance the 5th Battalion which with around 40 men won the battle of ashbourne they were originally supposed to have 200. The Rising had no chance but as the song goes "better to die neath an Irish sky".
@DrKorn5 oh i absolutely agree, he believed that it would better to wait till after ww1 ended before showing force and even than just as a threat. after roger casement's capture he believed all was lost. but on the fourth or fifth day he went out to make his stand with the rest, only to arrested almost immediately. "than at suvla, or sud el bar"
actually whats funny about this episode is that they show the tricolor being raised above the GPO when in fact the flag flown was green with the words "irish republic" in gold
theboyoofoly 5 months ago
Pearse would not have talked like that ne apparantly had a soft learned tone
Gillespie4100 8 months ago
One great lesson learned from the Easter Rising.
Michael Collins realized what sitting ducks the rebels were occupying buildings. Escape was impossible.
And from this came the seeds of the idea of flying columns and guerrilla warfare.
sbarr10 11 months ago
What's this from?
BrianG831 1 year ago
He says irish republic, but the leaders of this rebellion were planing to turn it into an independent kingdom and put the youngest son of the Kaiser on the throne, if it were won.
nationalist19 1 year ago
@nationalist19 No, that's not true, you are very much mistaken.
jarsonist 1 year ago
@jarsonist Oh reall! then why don't you look up the name of Prince Joachim of Prussia and read the titles and thrones he was offered. if you can
nationalist19 1 year ago
@nationalist19 A republic was proclaimed, in a republic everyone is equal, there is no room for ridiculous notions such as thrones or princes. You are mixing up an early Sinn Féin/Arthur Griffith policy with this IRB rebellion. If you think Clarke or MacDiarmada would have put a prince before the people then you are deluded.
jarsonist 1 year ago 2
@jarsonist the very word republic comes from a greek phrase "ras poblico" which if i remember correctly means without king
theboyoofoly 5 months ago
ira
niamhooooful 1 year ago
God bless the Irish Republic it wasn’t some joke like Brits purport.
Nazizombiesdie 1 year ago
@Nazizombiesdie But the republic we have today is a bloody joke.
nationalist19 1 year ago
@nationalist19 Today you probably do Even though according to studies Ireland has the one of the lowest rates of political corruption. Anyways i was referring to the sort lived provisional government which was a republic in name only. Yes that Easter week was a state of chaos, but any leader who knew they would most likely die in the end, in my book will always be the best leader of any form of government.
Nazizombiesdie 1 year ago
This is the real Dublin GPO, not a set as they used in Michael Collins.
Cool2BCeltic 1 year ago
today theres a chance that will happen again and depose the republic.
nationalist19 1 year ago
I don't think Pearse would have had a strong Dublin accent myself. :)
CillRos 2 years ago
go on the boyos
timpatjoe 2 years ago
I know the first bit of the proclamation by heart now, much more well written than the American declaration. it's a shame that pearse wasnt a brilliant tactician as well as a visionary. maybe they could have accomplished a bit more than signing their own death warrants
rifleman1122 3 years ago
His aim was a blood sacrifice; he succeeded in this. So his tactics were fairly spot on.
Ormond1 2 years ago
that doesn't make it any less of a waste of life. and if his tactical knowledge was 'spot on' the rising would have succeeded militarily. His goal was a nationwide rising. that never happened because of poor planning and just the general broken spirit of the Irish people at that time. The rapid executions of the leaders got the Irish going, but that could have been done without martyrdom.
rifleman1122 2 years ago
I am not disagreeing with you on it being a waste of life. You claimed he wasnt a brilliant tactician, was not much he could do when 35000 of the volunteers were over fighting for little Belgium, and the volunteers at home were not mobilized.
He knew there would be no victory, it was a blood sacrifice "got the Irish going"
"but that could have been done without martyrdom"
Martyrdom was the spark so many times for new generations of Irish to fight shackles of oppression.
Ormond1 2 years ago
Pearse didn't come up with the military plan for the Rising, it was Plunkett with some help from James Connolly.
NapperTandy98 2 years ago 5
I am not trying to get aggressive about this, but are you honestly saying Pearse did not support the idea of a blood sacrifice?
Ormond1 2 years ago
Why would you be aggressive?
Of course he believed in a blood sacrifice but that is not a military tactic. It's more of a political doctrine, or quasi-religious belief.
The actual plan of what buildings to occupy etc was not in the hands of Pearse so he was not to blame for any tactical errors. Thats my point.
NapperTandy98 2 years ago
the occupation of buildings may have seemed naive but Connolly thought that the British would be hesitant about blasting Dublin's commercial centre.. He thought the forces of British Capitalism wouldn't allow it.. So in that sense the rebels weren't as hell bent on blood sacrifice as it might seem. I do agree with you that Pearse was attracted to the idea of martyrdom but like our friend NapperTandy98 says he wasn't a military tactican.
Kuabla 2 years ago 7
@NapperTandy98 pearse did not come up with the initial plan to revolt yes but he signed on soon enough just the same unlike eoin macneil the brilliant historian and founder of the irish volunteer army who tried to prevent the rising and in fact played a large part it not being as successful as it otherwise may have been even though in the end he suited up armed himself and marched off to face the same fate as the rest only to be immediately arrested without ever having fired a shot
theboyoofoly 1 year ago
@theboyoofoly MacNeil's counter mobilization completely frigged everything up. Because of him whole companies didn't know what to do or didn't show up as far as I can see he more or less sabotaged the whole damn thing. For instance the 5th Battalion which with around 40 men won the battle of ashbourne they were originally supposed to have 200. The Rising had no chance but as the song goes "better to die neath an Irish sky".
DrKorn5 5 months ago
@DrKorn5 oh i absolutely agree, he believed that it would better to wait till after ww1 ended before showing force and even than just as a threat. after roger casement's capture he believed all was lost. but on the fourth or fifth day he went out to make his stand with the rest, only to arrested almost immediately. "than at suvla, or sud el bar"
theboyoofoly 5 months ago
half of the men where in the big war the rest died in the revolution. who was left to have children?.
Chokula99 2 years ago
Irish republican army .You mean the republican state .
raysoul45 3 years ago
wow didn;t know Indy witnessed the establishment
of the Irish republican army
nativegerry335 3 years ago
brilliant!!! does it show anymore of the easter rising?
godbrother10 3 years ago
Yes. Half of this episode is about it :)
YoungIndyFan 3 years ago
please upload if you could ;)
godbrother10 3 years ago