the ego of men, tring to make things more complicated and their for themselves cleaver/superior. when ppl start to amke something overtly complicated, is more oftern than not, that their full of sh*t. McDougall and esselstyn are taking from expirance. documented expirance, with great success. if your not getting your cal intake in your diet, your going to crash..how could you not??
Dr Fuhrman is well intentioned but his claim to obtain the majority of your calories from vegetables is unrealistic. For example you would need to eat over 10kg of broccoli to obtain just 1200 calories. Or how about 20kg of kale to get 2000 calories. Who has time to do this??!! Starch based diet with the addition of fruits and vegetables is the optimal diet for human beings and science and history have proven this.
@ConcreteRiver that's not his point, along with vegetables, Dr Furman recommends eating nuts and seeds to supplement the human body's need for calories. He also emphasizes consuming high nutient dense foods rather than stachy foods not just to stay thin and fit but to assist the body in cleansing the body of harmful toxins, cell repair in avoiding disease.
@greg4161 His point is ARGUING that starches contain more calories than the nutrients which are obtained from the food. He argues supplementing high fat foods such as nuts and seeds(which I do enjoy also btw in small amounts) instead of starches like rice,corn and potatoes. Starch eaters are thin and lean people. Joe Everyman who is obese and suffering from type 2 diabetes did NOT get that way eating brown rice, corn and beans. He got that way from eating burgers,steaks,eggs and bacon fat.
@CBasie2856 There is no doubt that our ancestors ate fruit as their primary source of calories and energy. However eventually our ancestors migrated out of areas where fruit was in abundance and didn't grow all year round like it does on the equator. So we evolved to be starch eaters. We maintained our herbivore biology(weak stomach acids,no claws or sharp teeth, repulsion to blood and gore) and somehow, our Amylase enzyme concentration is 6-8 times more than our ape cousins. Why is that,friend?
@CBasie2856 cont. Amylase is a digestive enzyme soley present for the purpose of breaking down starches into simple sugars (glucose) which are delivered to our cells by insulin to fuel our bodies. Starches contain abundant nutrients. Dr Fuhrman repeats ad nauseum how he believes starches do not have the nutrient density of vegetables, when this is clearly not true. Most who have some aversion to gluten/grains generally have this issues related to existing unhealthy dietician choices.
his own life the truth...no one creature who live in nature eats cooked food,bread, drink coffee,(another very very bad kind of drug and very addictive...try to give it to cat even with milk even if it thirsty ...tea...very bad ...make people nervous,worry all the time have no focus on the work ,irritated, after they want to drink wine to make them calm ...)these doctors probably should read one of his books,and let them try to find something wrong in there...
I think the worst thing people eat is bread...another is fry potatoes ,and fried food in general , pasta is not the best,soda ...alcohol ... if people eliminate these products they definitely will get better ...these very good and very brave doctors go against the system,which make people sick...but they make things very complicated and they have no agreement between themselves and many many years ago there were great teachers,and explorers Dr,. H Shelton as an example probably who prove by ..
It is kind of comical watching these types of video clips at this moment when I am not overweight any more - my dirty little secret is DietOramy surplus fat loss plan program (search Google) - that thing certainly helped me enhance my entire body, overall health as well as my whole life.
I think both Dr. McDougall and Dr. Fuhrman are correct to a certain extent.
If you're overweight, have a lower metabolic rate or are more sedentary, you need to consume less carbohydrates such as starches and replace it with green vegetables supplemented with fatty plant foods.
If you're at a healthy weight, have a higher metabolic rate or are more active, you should increase the amount of starches to get the energy, and then supplement with green vegetables and some fatty plant foods.
The extraterrestrial referred to as "Our Lady of Lourdes" visited this planet in 1858 and told humans to "eat of the plants". Since the ET's can take out the human race any Saturday afternoon, I recommend listening to them.
I've observed this new nutritious diet known as DietOramy (search on google) - my cousin said she begun working with this and already shed couple of kilos, without feeling starving or even exhausted whatsoever... what do you suppose, has anybody ever done it yet?
As a star McDougaller, I run faster now than I did at 28. As an AFAA certified personal trainer & RRCA running coach, I've studied the Kenyan marathoners-McDougallers with a 70-80% carb diet. Most of us aren't marathoners, but at almost 60, I place in 5K races for my age group, was the 5th oldest female to finish '10 Palm Beaches marathon & often run faster/longer than the high school cross country team girls I coach. When's VegSource going to use more trained women like me ;) for these panels?
Fuhrman focuses too much on what he thinks "ought to be" the case, rather than on reality. He talks about "white rice" as if that instantly disqualifies the diet of Asians, who have fantastic health. He talks about "a diet that can sustain people to middle age", and I wonder if he realizes that the people McDougall is talking about live to be 90-100 *routinely* with excellent health. The highest concentration of centenarians on Earth is in Okinawa. They live on sweet potatoes and rice.
@Mentat1231 Asians have mercury poisoning from eating whales, dolphins and other fish. What about the good karma from not killing and eating animals? How can any population be healthy when The Animal Liberation Front plans to kill flesh-eaters? Asians have over-fished the oceans, so that even the 200-million-year-old sturgeon fish is almost extinct. Asians eat horses and dogs and break the international whaling codes. The 8.9 earthquake and tsunami was their bad karma for this.
@redfordforpresident might be bad karma,but c'on?..how many are they?..not anytime soon..they will continue to keep on killing whatever they can eat..period..i had an asian man offer me 50. dlls for my Maltese..i trust me, i dont think it was for keeping him as a pet..this guy had a corner store, and all streets dogs, and some home dogs, disappeared from the neighborhooh...go figure...
@Mentat1231 well, 3 generations ago people didn't have that conveniences like what we have today. It was far more phsyical to survive 3 generations ago. That means it was OK to have more starchy food like potatoes since they lived in a more laboring world.Fuhrman is right on the point when it comes to starches. Starchy food is good, but don't over eat them.
@Mentat1231 - I am not an expert on the Okinawan diet, but from reading online it seems their staple was sweet potatoes even more so than white rice. Also, they actually ate green leafy, soy, legumes...all high nutrient dense foods and on holidays would even eat PORK...omg! My question is apart from rice, what other "grains" did these people eat? Did these people eat any wheat/gluten? Are there any healthy civilizations that ate wheat as a staple?
Sweet potatoes do, by far, make up the bulk of the traditional Okinawan diet. But they are also a starch, which goes along with McDougall's point. And they eat pork on special occasions (once or twice a year). They don't eat many other grains, since rice grows naturally where they are.
Long-lasting civilizations that lived on wheat would include most of the Near East contries, who have been using this as staple for 10,000 years.
Avocados, have been proven to destroy blood cells and make them mutate. Go to Nutrition facts dot org, and type in avocados. He sites studies their and explains that we SHOULD avoid Avocado. But we should eat more STARCH BASED FRUITS! Like Banana. No one is scared of fruits. Get your fat from flax seeds and sesame seeds.
Thank you so much for this discussion and for giving your individual views on something that some people consider controversial. The more we get to know each of you, the more we understand your various points of view. It's OKAY if you disagree! In the end, we just have to try it out for ourselves and see what works best for us. Never be too shy to give your opinions. You are all top of the line and we are all very, very, very lucky to listen!
Fuhrman is a well meaning bumbling idiot. I'll take the McDougall Plan over his theories any day. I eat 10 potatoes a day, every day and remain a trim and very active person.
@ConcreteRiver whoah now, fuhrmans not an idiot dude, the only variation in mcdougall and fuhrmans dietary recommendations is high starch over not. Yes fuhrman says chicken once a week and I disagree with that but they are both very smart men and have both conducted alot of research on a plant based diet. Plus white potatoes increase the risk of pancreatic cancer by 50% so we should be eating red, sweet or purple potatoes. Message me if u want the research that explains this
In HS, I was a track star and on a diet high in cereal, rice, pasta, fruits. In senior yr, I could barely run. I would get colds and sore throats all the time. I would get eczema, acne, and body rashes. This lasted through my 20s. I am 38 and I am now on nutrient dense diet. Lots of soups, greens, seeds, nuts, fruits, avocados and occasional meats on the side. I am faster and stronger at 38 than when I was 17. Once I go back to eating cereal and whole grains, the bad symptoms come back.
I recommend combining the two approaches. Eat lots of low calorie nutrient dense foods all around your meals that are centred on fruit or starch (for sustained energy) Add a little nuts or avocado occasionally. Not too much and focus on eating fresh whole, home made plant foods for each meal. Mcdougall does promote people filling up on fat free salads and soups in addition to eating starches. Too lose weight just eat low cal nutrient dense food like both recommend.
There is a reason most americans suffer from chronic fatigue. It takes more energy to metabolize meat proteins than it gives or benefits in any way. Consider any reason you have more eating meat can also be met on a pure plant diet, plant porteins are a denser more nutritonal form, giving you greater benefits and triple the energy.
The best diet is a balanced diet including meat,veggies and fruit not a plant based diet. He is a vegan and his research is biased to try and turn people against meat. Seriously any REAL nutritionalist or doctor will tell you the same thing. And yes doctors do have nutrition classes so don't listen to that BS either. My father is a doctor.
actually a person who is a vegan will actually be a whole lot healthier than someone on the paleo diet. I have never seen anybody with major improvements on the paleo diet anyway. The paleo diet isn't the healthiest diet after all, and neither the Atkins. Dr Atkins was very fat and died himself, after controversially dieing of a heart attack.
can anyone explain why it is I can find 80+ senior citizens who are active, lean, and subsist on a diet of cheese puffs, pepsi, snack cakes, and cigarettes?
The only difference I can note with such people is that they're naturally lean no matter what they eat. I've got relatives like this.
Everybody metabolizes different foods differently. I assume these friends of yours probably don't eat much (caloric restriction) especially if they smoke which probably reduces their appetite even more (not that I condone smoking). I wouldn't follow the advice of any of these guys, as they to me, do not epitomize peak health but just better than the average male.
@Fantageous Oh you must mean the decrepit ones who carry around a sack full of drugs and a walker or wheelchair as their joints of full of fat and fluid. Usually with oxygen masks. Yea they may be alive, but just barely. What kind of life is that? Do you want to put garbage in your pie hole for 50 years and make it to 50-55 and get sick and spend the next 20 years taking drugs and withering away. Use your brain meat fella.
I'm vegan and I've tried both diets. Dr. McDougall's starch emphasis and Dr. Fuhrman's moderate fat vegan diet. I felt better on the starch diet. The complex carbs kept my blood sugar nice and level. I didn't have mood swings. I had plenty of energy. I enjoyed the starchy diet more. I guess because carbs are comfort foods. For long term success as a vegan (cooked or raw) low fat rules!
How could a cooked meat based diet be the answer? Go on a meat based diet for 6 months and tell me how you feel, then go on a plant based diet for 6 months and tell me how you feel. We will know the difference after then.
@CBasie2856 I said a balanced diet with meat and veggies which will have carbs in it as well. Been eating that way since I started solid food and I feel awesome. I am 34 and feel great. Not interested in plant based diet at all and never will do that.
just watch as your body begins to slow down its healing. You will one day come back to complaining to me that your organs don't work any more
you may feel great now, but what you are doing is just plateauing yourself. Do you want to feel better than you actually do now? do you want to go beyond your limitations?
@CBasie2856 Considering all my relatives are living to old age and are healthy as so am I. So screw your lack of knowlege. To each their own I have the freedom to eat meat!!
@terrillcase What's your idea of healthy? Do you live pain free? Do you wake up tired? Do you ever have a hard time sleeping? Do you get colds at least once a year, more? Any joint pain at all? Anyone in your family have diabetes or arthritis?
Most people who claim to be healthy, have never actually felt what it really feels like to be HEALTHY.
A healthy person rarely gets sick, has little to no pain, no diabetes, no arthritis, etc..
@terrillcase you are a biological herbivore. you have no claws and would never hope onto a pig or cow and tear it's flesh off in chunks would you. you have 0 nutritional requirement for animal flesh and the only way that you can stomach it is by cooking the fuck out of it and covering up the horrendous taste with salt and bbq sauce. Not only is eating meat unhealthy, its unnatural and it is incredibly cruel and unnecessary. wake up pal
The guy on the far left obviously judges the "success" of a civilization by if they are agrarian versus hunter-gatherer. Starchy staple crops are necessary to sustain a large urban dwelling population because they can be stored for long periods of time and assure an excess of food for a lot of people. These people are not more "successful" bc they are eating starch, they are eating starch bc it's necessary to "tide over" large modern societies.
I think if you get too swept up into little intricasies of every diet, you're wasting too much of your time on this planet trying to live forever, when you should be focusing more on the quality of your life. We're all going to die anyway, no matter how deep you dig on nutrition and research. Just remember to take care of your body. Treat it well and it will last you a long, long time.
I'm w/ Dr. McDougall. It makes sense to me- especially for kids. Starches give us carbohydrates that gives us the energy we need to be in the mood to exercise/work, etc, in the first place. Just don't smother them with fat. Carbs are the best source of fuel, according to Dr. Douglas Graham (although he is a fruitarian). I think fatty vegetables/fruit are fuel/calories but prevent enough oxygen in the blood. Maybe someday we'll see a way to eat to 200, not 100...so maybe they're both wrong.
First, who's the bug eyed guy beside Dr. Mcdougall? Secondly, I'll have to find a middle ground between Dr Fuhrman and Dr Mcdougall. Optimally, I feel Dr Fuhrman is correct. However, we do not live in a society wherein we can be active and greatly exclude starches. I'm a Cpht. working on my Doctorate, and I must say that if I did not eat some starch for breakfast, I would not have the energy to endure 8 hrs of classes when I can't always eat healthy until I get home. There's a balance.
Why is everyone so concerned about what we did in the past 1000, 10,000, or 1000,000 years. Domesticated dogs live longer with less disease than wild dogs why? Not because there eating the diet they been on for a million years, it's because we figured what foods are most efficient. I think you should take in the nutrients you need for the task at hand and no more. Otherwise your just left with biological waist Healthy or not, waist is waist. Other than that, this vid DID confuse me more than I
I hate this clip... we need to stay united and focus on the 95% each Dr. agrees on. It does so much harm to the people attending the conference, and just leaves them confused and more likely to disregard all the great information they have learned. I agree with Dr. Esselstyn, that the focus should be eating a variety of whole foods. If that is your focus you won't be eating too much of any one thing.
Very interesting information. I've been avoiding meat for years, and it helped me get my cholesterol down. Instead of meats, I eat nuts every day. Good information about starchy foods, and I always had a feeling white rice was ok. I can tell when I'm eating bad food by how much my stomach bloats after eating it.
What about the Paleolithic "diet"? It emphasizes fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, AND meat. Natural sugars, no grains, dairy, beans, or lentils. I thought human history shows that agriculture has been around for VERY little time, and thus, we aren't meant to eat pasta, bread, rice, etc. Isn't it true you can't eat those foods raw? I'd be curious to hear what people say the ideal "diet" is based on evolution/human history...
Paleolithic diet is a good diet to have, and its one of the healthiest diets. The only diet that might be healthier is the raw food diet-fruits, vegetables, and nuts and seeds, and occasional bread and raw milk. The thing about raw food is that animals in the wild eat raw food anyway, and don't cook their food. Cooking food destroys enzymes, life nutrients. Thus it is better to eat food raw. But that means that you can't eat meat raw, because you risk parasites. thus fruits& veg
@CBasie2856 That makes sense, but I've always heard that at some point millions of years ago, hunter-gatherers discovered fire, and thus, the ability to cook meats, among other things. MAYBE there is a chance that history shows that we have adapted/been programmed to eat meat? I could be wrong, and I really want to find out whether or not to eat meat for personal health, but there are so many arguments for both sides that I can't think straight. lol
Well the thing is, if you can't eat something raw, then the food isn't meant for you. Meat can be eaten raw, but you could risk salmonella. Just to be on the safe side at all times, i would avoid meat. The next best thing to have is tropical fruits and nuts, and after that veggies. Watermelons, spinach, celery, cantaloupes, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, avocado, apples, oranges, kale, kelp, lemons, swiss chard, parsley
nuts and seeds must be soaked. you also have to EAT A LOT!
Well the thing about meat is that it might take hours to prepare a fire in the wild. Eating raw would be quicker, but you would have to eat meat right away after you kill it before the germs come in in order to not get sick. Thats why tribes had to rely on mostly squash, corn, potatoes for food, because its the quickest food with the highest calories. If we were in tropics, we would rely on mostly fruit, but since we are not in tropics, we have to rely on other sources of calories.
humans are not omnivores, not herbivores, not carnivores, but frugivores. Which means we are supposed to eat mostly FRUIT, whether its the fruit or the nuts and seeds in the fruit. Our oldest ancestors ate mostly fruit, but not only did they eat fruit, but vegetables, and nuts and seeds.
There was a guy who lived to be 115 years old and he was in a video on youtube, and what did he eat? -fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds.
@CBasie2856 Which anthropologist did you consult for that piece of very wrong information. Supposed to eat fruit??? Haha, that fails to explain why most humans would end up with a lot of health problems from eating only fruit.
not necessarily man you would have problems, some people have lived on only fruits and vegetables since the beginning of man kind.
Check out the liferegenerator who lives off only fruits&veg. Liferegenerator looks the healthiest to me, I had a hard time excepting his ideas at first, but it later occured to me that most of our ape relatives eat mostly fruit instead of meat, only with occasional times of meat like the chimpanzee. Of course, sometimes they do eat nuts and seeds.
Are you sure? if we are truly omnivores, why don't you go bite into some raw chicken meat and tell me we are omnivores.
Humans for the most part cook meat. Eating cooked meat doesn't make us omnivores. If I saw the population as a whole eating raw meat on a regular basis, then I would be more convinced, but for the majority of the population, the idea of eating raw meat has been condemned throughout history, even in Biblical times.
@terrillcase Don't bother, members of the Vegancult are so steeped in Ideology..........facts mean nothing to them. Check out the stories of insane Veganculter parents who put their kids on this sick diet.....now that is crazy and dangerous.
If humans lived in tropical regions where there is fresh fruit, we'd be able to survive only on fresh fruits and vegetables. If we lived anywhere else, then we must have starches in our diet, or at least meat. That's the secret.
You would have to live in a tropical region if you were an early human to survive only on fresh fruits and vegetables.
You can live on a fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds diet, but you have to do it correctly. Fruit and nuts have the most calories, so you have to eat a bunch of them everyday-NOT just a handful. Green leaf vegetables contain protein, so that's the key.
Raw food is not dangerous, you just got to EAT MORE fruits and vegetables to sustain you than you do with other diets such as starch based diets, and meat eating diets.
The healthiest and longest living people on the earth eat a 100% raw food diet- Fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds and a lot of them everyday. If you chose a starch based diet, than you can fill up on raw potatoes, and you will too live a long life. If you ate only meat, fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, you will also live a long life.
If you eat breads, grains, dairy you life shortens. If you eat junk foods, your life shortens. If you smoke/take drugs, your lifespan shortens the most.
i read and is going through McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss Book and I will say that in theory, it looks great. The heart doctor (don't know the spelling sorry) said that fat goes down to about 11% and the weighy stabilizes. That was spot on as the past few days my fat consumption was 11%. Now, McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss calls for under 10% fat intake, so I still have a ways to go (5%) is his recommendation, so he and Dr. Furrman are cery similar. I guess the question is where are you star
I think the starch based diet makes more sense. Especially with the fact that its a high energy food that humans ate to keep them satiated throughout the physically laborious day.
@tickyul Riight, so after a meal based mainly of beans your hungry afterwords? that makes sense...not. Beans have a resistant starch in them thats difficult to digest and an undigestable starch that your stomach wont digest but the bacteria in you intestines will. The process takes a while keeping you full with consistent energy.
@DevilChao5 Wow, beans..........shit my panties off for the next week...........forget it. Why would I eat something as obscene as a filthy plant based diet when I have yummy meat???? And no, most people are not going to adopt this diet. Grains........haha, makes me sick too. Some my GET BY on this weirdo diet.....most will start feeling like crap and come to their senses.......and quit.
@tickyul U obviously have done 0 research on a plant based diet because the science is in its favor..I dont blame you though, most people are unaware of this and I will gladly point you in the direction to see the research and come to your own conclusions. Check out nutritionfacts DAWT org
the mcdougall guy forgot to mention the billions of pple that ate a starchy diet also walked and ran everywhere, toiled everyday in hard labor, and had shorter lifespans. lack of antioxidants from fruits and vegies lead to shorter lifespan.
I always like the simplicity of Dr. McDougall's arguments. A starch based diet doesn't mean all you eat are starches. It means eat rice with vegetables, eat a baked potato with a salad, have some lentil or split pea soup (with vegetables in it), etc. It's also important to eat plenty of fresh fruit. I think if you're hungry for an avocado or some peanut butter, it's okay to have some. If you're eating a vegan diet, you don't need to worry. Just avoid the processed oils and you'll do fine.
@1imesub Plant based diets!! Now we have to try to convince the stubborn ignorant brainwashed american public! and pharmaceutical companies! That will never happen, there's no money in being healthy!
Also the proponent of starch is not addressing what the other man said - activity is related to the amount of starch you can eat. He keeps referring to very active people such as in Peru. They don't have the technology to be sedentary like the US, Europe, etc. I think it's irresponsible to recommend a high starch diet to someone that leads a sedentary life in front of a computer all day.
MacDougal represents a false impression that a low starch means to too few calories, whereas calories can come from beans, nuts and seeds and avocado. He also uses 'successful' tribes in the past who have eaten starch to justify why we should now base our diets on starch. This is also wrong logic because there was no longevity in such groups, and now that today's populations live longer, we have more information about longevity and its relationship to caloric quality.
@tealfarm If you watch some of Dr. John McDougall's other videos, he will admit that people can do just fine a diet of fruit, assuming they eat enough, since fruit is higher in sugar and calories than vegetables. Also, legumes are a form of starch.
@MorrisonEnterprise thats like saying some lions should eat fruits and vegetables only meanwhile others should eat meat like they are all supposed to. LoL. we are the same species...blood type diet is laughable.
@jbrah69 No, it's like saying that humans have populated every continent on the planet, and as a part of their geographic and anthropological evolution, have had to adapt to different types of foods. Lions have not. I suggest doing a little research into the diet. You might be surprised to find it's based on peer reviewed medical evidence from as early as the 1950's.
@MorrisonEnterprise you have a point but man originates from the tropics so it was him shunning away from the fruits and vegetables that thrive in that climate.
@MorrisonEnterprise Chimps have a variety of different blood types yet they all eat the same diet. Cows have more blood types than humans yet they all eat the same thing: grass. Your theory is completely flawed.
@1imesub First of all it's not a theory, it's a hypothesis. Secondly it's not my hypothesis, it's the hypothesis of a scientist and practicing physician of 30 years. Chimps, cows, horses and dogs don't glycosylate the same way humans do. Our chromosomes don't hold the same information in the same location, and therefore blood type does not mean the same for a platypus as it does for a human. There are thousands of peer-reviewed articles on this, I suggest researching before blabbing..
@MorrisonEnterprise No human being needs to eat meat to be healthy, regardless of what blood type they may be. I wouldn't waste my time reading about something so inconsequential. Doctors come along all the time with research findings and data to entice people into buying their books, taking their supplements, etc. It's a scam to get your money. Why would you believe any of that nonsense? Are 'blood type O' people invincible to cardiovascular disease, cancer and diabetes? Of course not.
@1imesub Plant based diets!! Now we have to try to convince the stubborn ignorant brainwashed american public! and pharmaceutical companies! That will never happen, there's no money in being healthy!
I love my sweet potatoes and potatoes. Milton Mills has a point about some vegetables being bred to be a certain way. That's why I try to avoid wheat.
I tried to eat only vegetables, but that just made me depressed. So I really believe I need some potatoes for my mental health. John McDougall you rock! :D
I eat more big ass giant russet potatoes than anyone I know, I weight 160, im 5'9, never been fat, never will be. I eat 3-4 baked potatoes a day, loaded with pepper and fish oil butter. Sometimes i'll have 2 just for breakfast. The energy and strength I've gotten since making potatoes my staple food is beyond anything bad the extra "starch" has given me. I've literally doubled my work output and am stronger than most of my 200+ lb friends who live on the typical american diet.
It's basically conservative vs. progressive with McDougall and Fuhrman. I like both and see good sides of both but Fuhrman wins hands down in this one because he sees the opportunity for modern society and is not hung up on the size of the potatoes in Peru or whatnot.
I've had all kinds of diets and what works for me is what they said, keep it simple eat a plant based diet, dont worry too much about numbers, you can even have meat or dairy every now and then, my blood test is now excellent.
Vegan or not Vegan, Aussies, Japanese, Frenches, Swiss, Swedes live the most on Earth. Not everybody of these people is vegan. Even vegan live at best the same as the mentioned people live. Id like to know: What does people in Japan, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia eat daily? How are their lifestyles, access to health care, education, healthy and clean homes and jobs? Maybe this is a good beginning for analysis.
@Pedrofrombrazil, What do the countries you mentioned have in common? They have very traditional diets. They eat food their population have learned is best for them over centuries. Newer countries or countries with more diverse diets have more health problems. As fast food has entered these countries, their health is declining. Ppl need individualized diets. Tradition helps with that as long as a person follows their ancestors. Untested changes wreak havoc on ppl. (See Nutritional Typing).
@missfitness33 Med. school certainly won't help. Not necessarily, isn't the avg. amt. of nutrition taught in med. school about 3 hours? It's criminal.
I find the hardest thing for me when dieting is getting enough nutrition. Smaller portions work, but I’m left hungry and less food= less nutrition. I use nutritional supplements now and eat healthy, full meals.I got started at ryansnutrition com and have my appetite under control.
Scientists have ascertained that the most nutritious & economic meal known is Chefboyardee Beef Ravioli (The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Nov 1, 2010; 92 [5]) “This should come as no surprise”, quipped ConAgra Foods / Chefboyardee CEO Gary Rodkin, “…here at Chefboyardee we pride ourselves on high quality product, aimed at supplying all the essential nutrients.” Study conducted by the Linus Pauling Institute, Oregon State University, with partial funding from ConAgra Foods.
Question: Why are we listening to these guys? Seeing as they pretty much are all balding, I'd assume poor eyesite by those in the glasses, and I highly doubt more than one or two of them are in relatively decent athletic shape. Honestly do any of them look like the pinnacle of health? I guess that is the power of having an MD, pHD, HIJKLMNOP, or some other label next to your name. Fruit is the best food for you, it has everything you need.
@CerebralPrince10 : Fruit is fine in moderate amounts for the fibre and anti-oxidants but humans aren't frugivores. A fruitarian diet is one of the worst diets ever conceived. Also, while Dr. McDougall is saying that all successful populations have followed a starch-based diet he left out the fact that all successful populations have also included animal foods in their diet. I like to use the Okinawan population as an example. They are the healthiest, longest-lived population in the world.
That's true, but not nearly in the same proportion as plant based foods. Their diets were mostly plant based, and in Okinawa, when they eat meat it's usually fish, much of it raw ( not just any meat ). Gladiators were known as "barley men" , due to their vegan-barley based diets. This was confirmed a few years ago by archeological digs in the city of ephesus / modern turkey. 100% plant based diet.
@ActionFitLifeTV : Which confirms my point that one does not have to become vegan or even vegetarian. The optimal diet based upon what we have observed is that of fish eating populations like the Japanese (including Okinawans) who live the longest.
The Okinawan's diet is much better than the SAD / standard american diet, but it's necessarily the "optimal diet". Their diet is mainly plant based with some raw fish..( Mostly raw ). I'd say it's quite difficult to determine what is an "optimal" daily diet, because all populations aren't the same. However, a plant based diet, whether it's 100% plant based or not, is much healthier than a highly processed, meat based diet.
@ActionFitLifeTV : The problem vegetarians and vegans in particular, have is that if eliminating *some* animal foods is better for you then eliminating *all* animal foods is best. As with many other aspects in life this too is a fallacy. We don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Fish eaters, as a group, do live longer. You can't say that about vegans or vegetarians. In fact there are no vegan populations and that includes India where vegetarians consume cheese, milk and yogurt.
Personally I do not know too much about Dr. Graham, but I do know his diet consist of nuts, seeds, and veggies and he advocates eating as much as you can (which for most people who follow his program is 3000-10000 calories a day). My diet is drastically different than his, but I will say he looks better physically than anybody on this panel.
Again I do not know everything about Dr. Graham's lifestyle and what other factors in his life have contributed to his baldness
We are omnivorous hunter-gatherers and our closest relative is the Chimpanzee so a Paleolithic diet is basically what we are all about... end of story... raw un-processed organic wild or as close as possible to that.
Then there is longevity of the body vs usage of the body... regardless of diet the more the cells are required to replace the quicker the failure... hence low calorie low body usage leads to longevity but makes you weak... so back to the Paleolithic to suit... as nature intended!
"fruit is sugar, and sugar is the enemy of a healthy human being"
Now that is RIDICULOUS.
1. I never specificed how many calories you have to eat so you can't say I'm over eating sugar (personally I intermittent fast which leaves my daily caloric intake fairly low)
2. There is a huge difference between frucose (fruit sugar) and sucrose (refined table sugar)
3. Fruits are typically between 60-80% water content, so to say fruit IS sugar is very inaccurate
Look at the videos on my account and then tell me I have soft teeth or diabetes or that I need to "drop (my) belief systems"
You say look at the science, but obviously you do not know it. "Science" says that there are breatharians (check the study on Prahlad Jhani), "science" says saturated fat leads to clogged arteries and a plethora of other health complications
Let me ask you, what food is better for humans than fruit?
lol way to not answer my question mr. carbophobia, I asked for a food better than fruit and you couldn't give me one
Every cell in the human body runs on glucose. Glucose is sugar, but since sugar is so bad for us why don't we just not eat any and not have our cells function (let me know how that works)
I will admit with everything and anything you can over do it, but no food is better for the human body than fruits.
I told you EVERY food except grains is better than fruit.
You need to do more studying, I have read over 100 books on health, you're obviously following some researcher based on your beliefs. I research with no bias, I've looked at all diets and you will not get the protein you need from a piece of fruit, and you will get far too much sugar.
The ideal fuel source for human cells is not glucose, it is fat.
Your ignorance is glaring. All plant based foods contain all eight essential amino acids, fruits are on average 5-10% protein by calories do the research ;-). Fruits also contain your precious fat, but in much more moderate amounts than other subquality foods.
You say too much sugar, but you don't know HOW MUCH fruit I eat so you can't say I eat too much sugar.
Give me any food and I'll tell you how it is inferior to fruit
I really don't want to waste my time arguing, but i really think you should do more research.
Look into the work of weston price and you'll see what a human has eaten from the beginning of time.
Prior to 10,000 years ago man has always eaten the same thing.. Mostly red meat, dairy and wild vegetables and fruit when it was in season. Modern agriculture is unsustainable, and therefore we would destroy our environment very quickly if all people ate was fruit.
Look at the research that suggests homo sapiens were orginially and today are built for frugivorism, I know the research but it doesn't seem like you do
Fruit is the most efficent food around. You pick it from the plant, eat it, disperse seeds, grow and repeat.
Think of how much land, grain, water, and natural resources we waste by raising animals for food, and the resources we waste cooking and processing food.
In light of your claims, I don't blame you for not wanting to argue. Animal husbandry / raising livestock requires 10 times more energy and creates much more pollution and waist, than any type of agriculture. Agriculture is much more sustainable than the meat industry.See the " Executive summary of Livestock’s Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options,* a 2006 report published b
Why is man not a frugivore then if we evolved on starch?
CBasie2856 6 hours ago
the ego of men, tring to make things more complicated and their for themselves cleaver/superior. when ppl start to amke something overtly complicated, is more oftern than not, that their full of sh*t. McDougall and esselstyn are taking from expirance. documented expirance, with great success. if your not getting your cal intake in your diet, your going to crash..how could you not??
jammatoonarmy 1 day ago
@jammatoonarmy Well said.
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Dr Fuhrman wins this argument hands down, he's a genuine expert in healthy foods that promote weight loss and extend human longevity!
greg4161 1 day ago
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greg4161 1 day ago
The five new food groups in America are beer, wine, liquor, grease and prescriptions.
cheeseschrister 4 days ago
"Dr Mills, Have you been to Peru?"
"No, But I read about it"
"Well I've been to Peru and the corn is huge and the potatoes are huge and the people are small"
Dr.McDougall just owned both Fuhrman and Mills. F U to the Starch haters.
ConcreteRiver 4 days ago
Dr Fuhrman is well intentioned but his claim to obtain the majority of your calories from vegetables is unrealistic. For example you would need to eat over 10kg of broccoli to obtain just 1200 calories. Or how about 20kg of kale to get 2000 calories. Who has time to do this??!! Starch based diet with the addition of fruits and vegetables is the optimal diet for human beings and science and history have proven this.
ConcreteRiver 4 days ago
@ConcreteRiver that's not his point, along with vegetables, Dr Furman recommends eating nuts and seeds to supplement the human body's need for calories. He also emphasizes consuming high nutient dense foods rather than stachy foods not just to stay thin and fit but to assist the body in cleansing the body of harmful toxins, cell repair in avoiding disease.
greg4161 11 hours ago
@greg4161 His point is ARGUING that starches contain more calories than the nutrients which are obtained from the food. He argues supplementing high fat foods such as nuts and seeds(which I do enjoy also btw in small amounts) instead of starches like rice,corn and potatoes. Starch eaters are thin and lean people. Joe Everyman who is obese and suffering from type 2 diabetes did NOT get that way eating brown rice, corn and beans. He got that way from eating burgers,steaks,eggs and bacon fat.
ConcreteRiver 4 hours ago
@ConcreteRiver
What if the optimal diet was actually a fruit based diet, like our ancestors the apes and monkeys?
I wonder what your opinion is on that. Does an Adam and Eve or "Eden" type diet ring a bell or do you think this is all nonsense?
CBasie2856 5 hours ago
@CBasie2856 There is no doubt that our ancestors ate fruit as their primary source of calories and energy. However eventually our ancestors migrated out of areas where fruit was in abundance and didn't grow all year round like it does on the equator. So we evolved to be starch eaters. We maintained our herbivore biology(weak stomach acids,no claws or sharp teeth, repulsion to blood and gore) and somehow, our Amylase enzyme concentration is 6-8 times more than our ape cousins. Why is that,friend?
ConcreteRiver 4 hours ago
@CBasie2856 cont. Amylase is a digestive enzyme soley present for the purpose of breaking down starches into simple sugars (glucose) which are delivered to our cells by insulin to fuel our bodies. Starches contain abundant nutrients. Dr Fuhrman repeats ad nauseum how he believes starches do not have the nutrient density of vegetables, when this is clearly not true. Most who have some aversion to gluten/grains generally have this issues related to existing unhealthy dietician choices.
ConcreteRiver 4 hours ago
Great stuff @headveg.
NoCommentChick 1 week ago
his own life the truth...no one creature who live in nature eats cooked food,bread, drink coffee,(another very very bad kind of drug and very addictive...try to give it to cat even with milk even if it thirsty ...tea...very bad ...make people nervous,worry all the time have no focus on the work ,irritated, after they want to drink wine to make them calm ...)these doctors probably should read one of his books,and let them try to find something wrong in there...
troecurov 1 week ago
I think the worst thing people eat is bread...another is fry potatoes ,and fried food in general , pasta is not the best,soda ...alcohol ... if people eliminate these products they definitely will get better ...these very good and very brave doctors go against the system,which make people sick...but they make things very complicated and they have no agreement between themselves and many many years ago there were great teachers,and explorers Dr,. H Shelton as an example probably who prove by ..
troecurov 1 week ago
Anyone know if there are any current celebrities or athletes who endorse and/or get nutritional advice from McDougall? How about from Fuhrman?
lucasboden 2 weeks ago
I love these guys. They may disagree on some things but they all agree on one thing: go vegan!
veronique2 2 weeks ago
It is kind of comical watching these types of video clips at this moment when I am not overweight any more - my dirty little secret is DietOramy surplus fat loss plan program (search Google) - that thing certainly helped me enhance my entire body, overall health as well as my whole life.
yesno511 3 weeks ago
I think both Dr. McDougall and Dr. Fuhrman are correct to a certain extent.
If you're overweight, have a lower metabolic rate or are more sedentary, you need to consume less carbohydrates such as starches and replace it with green vegetables supplemented with fatty plant foods.
If you're at a healthy weight, have a higher metabolic rate or are more active, you should increase the amount of starches to get the energy, and then supplement with green vegetables and some fatty plant foods.
sabby123456789 4 weeks ago
The extraterrestrial referred to as "Our Lady of Lourdes" visited this planet in 1858 and told humans to "eat of the plants". Since the ET's can take out the human race any Saturday afternoon, I recommend listening to them.
redfordforpresident 4 weeks ago
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I've observed this new nutritious diet known as DietOramy (search on google) - my cousin said she begun working with this and already shed couple of kilos, without feeling starving or even exhausted whatsoever... what do you suppose, has anybody ever done it yet?
zubair1912426 1 month ago
As a star McDougaller, I run faster now than I did at 28. As an AFAA certified personal trainer & RRCA running coach, I've studied the Kenyan marathoners-McDougallers with a 70-80% carb diet. Most of us aren't marathoners, but at almost 60, I place in 5K races for my age group, was the 5th oldest female to finish '10 Palm Beaches marathon & often run faster/longer than the high school cross country team girls I coach. When's VegSource going to use more trained women like me ;) for these panels?
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12caredee21 1 month ago
Fuhrman focuses too much on what he thinks "ought to be" the case, rather than on reality. He talks about "white rice" as if that instantly disqualifies the diet of Asians, who have fantastic health. He talks about "a diet that can sustain people to middle age", and I wonder if he realizes that the people McDougall is talking about live to be 90-100 *routinely* with excellent health. The highest concentration of centenarians on Earth is in Okinawa. They live on sweet potatoes and rice.
Mentat1231 1 month ago 8
@Mentat1231 Asians have mercury poisoning from eating whales, dolphins and other fish. What about the good karma from not killing and eating animals? How can any population be healthy when The Animal Liberation Front plans to kill flesh-eaters? Asians have over-fished the oceans, so that even the 200-million-year-old sturgeon fish is almost extinct. Asians eat horses and dogs and break the international whaling codes. The 8.9 earthquake and tsunami was their bad karma for this.
redfordforpresident 4 weeks ago
@redfordforpresident might be bad karma,but c'on?..how many are they?..not anytime soon..they will continue to keep on killing whatever they can eat..period..i had an asian man offer me 50. dlls for my Maltese..i trust me, i dont think it was for keeping him as a pet..this guy had a corner store, and all streets dogs, and some home dogs, disappeared from the neighborhooh...go figure...
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@Mentat1231 well, 3 generations ago people didn't have that conveniences like what we have today. It was far more phsyical to survive 3 generations ago. That means it was OK to have more starchy food like potatoes since they lived in a more laboring world.Fuhrman is right on the point when it comes to starches. Starchy food is good, but don't over eat them.
JackHu1000 3 weeks ago
@JackHu1000
Why does it matter how physically active we are? Eating starches doesn't require that we be more active.
Mentat1231 2 weeks ago
@Mentat1231 - I am not an expert on the Okinawan diet, but from reading online it seems their staple was sweet potatoes even more so than white rice. Also, they actually ate green leafy, soy, legumes...all high nutrient dense foods and on holidays would even eat PORK...omg! My question is apart from rice, what other "grains" did these people eat? Did these people eat any wheat/gluten? Are there any healthy civilizations that ate wheat as a staple?
lucasboden 2 weeks ago
@lucasboden
Sweet potatoes do, by far, make up the bulk of the traditional Okinawan diet. But they are also a starch, which goes along with McDougall's point. And they eat pork on special occasions (once or twice a year). They don't eat many other grains, since rice grows naturally where they are.
Long-lasting civilizations that lived on wheat would include most of the Near East contries, who have been using this as staple for 10,000 years.
Mentat1231 1 week ago
They needed Doug Graham on that panel.
101011001 1 month ago
@101011001 I wanted to say the same :-D
80/10/10 for the win
InspiRAWtion 1 month ago
Avocados, have been proven to destroy blood cells and make them mutate. Go to Nutrition facts dot org, and type in avocados. He sites studies their and explains that we SHOULD avoid Avocado. But we should eat more STARCH BASED FRUITS! Like Banana. No one is scared of fruits. Get your fat from flax seeds and sesame seeds.
TheaDragonSpirit 2 months ago
@TheaDragonSpirit When banana is ripe enough all the starch should turn into simple sugar
InspiRAWtion 1 month ago
Thank you so much for this discussion and for giving your individual views on something that some people consider controversial. The more we get to know each of you, the more we understand your various points of view. It's OKAY if you disagree! In the end, we just have to try it out for ourselves and see what works best for us. Never be too shy to give your opinions. You are all top of the line and we are all very, very, very lucky to listen!
2c4u222 2 months ago
4:53 Dr Dre!
lesshowerrings 2 months ago
Fuhrman is a well meaning bumbling idiot. I'll take the McDougall Plan over his theories any day. I eat 10 potatoes a day, every day and remain a trim and very active person.
A starch based diet is how we should all live.
ConcreteRiver 2 months ago
@ConcreteRiver whoah now, fuhrmans not an idiot dude, the only variation in mcdougall and fuhrmans dietary recommendations is high starch over not. Yes fuhrman says chicken once a week and I disagree with that but they are both very smart men and have both conducted alot of research on a plant based diet. Plus white potatoes increase the risk of pancreatic cancer by 50% so we should be eating red, sweet or purple potatoes. Message me if u want the research that explains this
DevilChao5 2 months ago
In HS, I was a track star and on a diet high in cereal, rice, pasta, fruits. In senior yr, I could barely run. I would get colds and sore throats all the time. I would get eczema, acne, and body rashes. This lasted through my 20s. I am 38 and I am now on nutrient dense diet. Lots of soups, greens, seeds, nuts, fruits, avocados and occasional meats on the side. I am faster and stronger at 38 than when I was 17. Once I go back to eating cereal and whole grains, the bad symptoms come back.
lucasboden 2 months ago
@lucasboden definitely very inflammatory. more meat and butter would fix that
RawAthlete 2 weeks ago
I recommend combining the two approaches. Eat lots of low calorie nutrient dense foods all around your meals that are centred on fruit or starch (for sustained energy) Add a little nuts or avocado occasionally. Not too much and focus on eating fresh whole, home made plant foods for each meal. Mcdougall does promote people filling up on fat free salads and soups in addition to eating starches. Too lose weight just eat low cal nutrient dense food like both recommend.
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HNAMINK 3 months ago
That guy in the back thats next to the starch guy at the end looks lilke he's lost or something. hahaha
lilaznkouk 3 months ago
The starch based diet guy has more hair than the only veggies guy
lilaznkouk 3 months ago
Im with McDougall!
Rad1ka1 3 months ago 10
anyone interested in a good diet should try the mediterranean diet theres a link on my channle for anyone who would like to know more about it.
CBgreat7 3 months ago
There is a reason most americans suffer from chronic fatigue. It takes more energy to metabolize meat proteins than it gives or benefits in any way. Consider any reason you have more eating meat can also be met on a pure plant diet, plant porteins are a denser more nutritonal form, giving you greater benefits and triple the energy.
ACLogikel 3 months ago
@snowcrash7 that is true, this is why we have registered dietitians.
millennialgirl 4 months ago
The best diet is a balanced diet including meat,veggies and fruit not a plant based diet. He is a vegan and his research is biased to try and turn people against meat. Seriously any REAL nutritionalist or doctor will tell you the same thing. And yes doctors do have nutrition classes so don't listen to that BS either. My father is a doctor.
terrillcase 4 months ago
@terrillcase
actually a person who is a vegan will actually be a whole lot healthier than someone on the paleo diet. I have never seen anybody with major improvements on the paleo diet anyway. The paleo diet isn't the healthiest diet after all, and neither the Atkins. Dr Atkins was very fat and died himself, after controversially dieing of a heart attack.
CBasie2856 4 months ago
isn't it contradictory for this panel to be promoting nutrition while drinking bottled water? Imagine the bcp's in that stuff!
Fantageous 4 months ago
@Fantageous oops! I meant BPA's
Fantageous 4 months ago
can anyone explain why it is I can find 80+ senior citizens who are active, lean, and subsist on a diet of cheese puffs, pepsi, snack cakes, and cigarettes?
The only difference I can note with such people is that they're naturally lean no matter what they eat. I've got relatives like this.
Fantageous 4 months ago
@Fantageous
Everybody metabolizes different foods differently. I assume these friends of yours probably don't eat much (caloric restriction) especially if they smoke which probably reduces their appetite even more (not that I condone smoking). I wouldn't follow the advice of any of these guys, as they to me, do not epitomize peak health but just better than the average male.
CerebralPrince10 1 month ago
@Fantageous Oh you must mean the decrepit ones who carry around a sack full of drugs and a walker or wheelchair as their joints of full of fat and fluid. Usually with oxygen masks. Yea they may be alive, but just barely. What kind of life is that? Do you want to put garbage in your pie hole for 50 years and make it to 50-55 and get sick and spend the next 20 years taking drugs and withering away. Use your brain meat fella.
ConcreteRiver 4 hours ago
I'm vegan and I've tried both diets. Dr. McDougall's starch emphasis and Dr. Fuhrman's moderate fat vegan diet. I felt better on the starch diet. The complex carbs kept my blood sugar nice and level. I didn't have mood swings. I had plenty of energy. I enjoyed the starchy diet more. I guess because carbs are comfort foods. For long term success as a vegan (cooked or raw) low fat rules!
oceanz4 4 months ago
Plant based diet is far from the heqlthiest diet. The best diet is balanced with meat included.
terrillcase 4 months ago
@terrillcase
How could a cooked meat based diet be the answer? Go on a meat based diet for 6 months and tell me how you feel, then go on a plant based diet for 6 months and tell me how you feel. We will know the difference after then.
Carbs = Energy
Meat = fat and protein = no carbs = no energy
CBasie2856 4 months ago 2
@CBasie2856 I said a balanced diet with meat and veggies which will have carbs in it as well. Been eating that way since I started solid food and I feel awesome. I am 34 and feel great. Not interested in plant based diet at all and never will do that.
terrillcase 4 months ago
@terrillcase
just watch as your body begins to slow down its healing. You will one day come back to complaining to me that your organs don't work any more
you may feel great now, but what you are doing is just plateauing yourself. Do you want to feel better than you actually do now? do you want to go beyond your limitations?
CBasie2856 4 months ago
@CBasie2856 Considering all my relatives are living to old age and are healthy as so am I. So screw your lack of knowlege. To each their own I have the freedom to eat meat!!
terrillcase 4 months ago
@terrillcase
how old, 118? 90?
CBasie2856 4 months ago
@terrillcase What's your idea of healthy? Do you live pain free? Do you wake up tired? Do you ever have a hard time sleeping? Do you get colds at least once a year, more? Any joint pain at all? Anyone in your family have diabetes or arthritis?
Most people who claim to be healthy, have never actually felt what it really feels like to be HEALTHY.
A healthy person rarely gets sick, has little to no pain, no diabetes, no arthritis, etc..
How's your memory, reflexes, endurance?
ACLogikel 3 months ago
@terrillcase you are a biological herbivore. you have no claws and would never hope onto a pig or cow and tear it's flesh off in chunks would you. you have 0 nutritional requirement for animal flesh and the only way that you can stomach it is by cooking the fuck out of it and covering up the horrendous taste with salt and bbq sauce. Not only is eating meat unhealthy, its unnatural and it is incredibly cruel and unnecessary. wake up pal
ConcreteRiver 3 hours ago
The guy on the far left obviously judges the "success" of a civilization by if they are agrarian versus hunter-gatherer. Starchy staple crops are necessary to sustain a large urban dwelling population because they can be stored for long periods of time and assure an excess of food for a lot of people. These people are not more "successful" bc they are eating starch, they are eating starch bc it's necessary to "tide over" large modern societies.
elementz1986 4 months ago
I think if you get too swept up into little intricasies of every diet, you're wasting too much of your time on this planet trying to live forever, when you should be focusing more on the quality of your life. We're all going to die anyway, no matter how deep you dig on nutrition and research. Just remember to take care of your body. Treat it well and it will last you a long, long time.
NemeanLion 5 months ago
Vegan! Vegan! Vegan! As long as your vegan diet relies heavily on whole organic foods, raw when possible :)
SimplyCecileP 5 months ago
I'm w/ Dr. McDougall. It makes sense to me- especially for kids. Starches give us carbohydrates that gives us the energy we need to be in the mood to exercise/work, etc, in the first place. Just don't smother them with fat. Carbs are the best source of fuel, according to Dr. Douglas Graham (although he is a fruitarian). I think fatty vegetables/fruit are fuel/calories but prevent enough oxygen in the blood. Maybe someday we'll see a way to eat to 200, not 100...so maybe they're both wrong.
happythotzaroo 5 months ago
Who's the African American fellow? He's awesome.
ericneedsU 5 months ago
First, who's the bug eyed guy beside Dr. Mcdougall? Secondly, I'll have to find a middle ground between Dr Fuhrman and Dr Mcdougall. Optimally, I feel Dr Fuhrman is correct. However, we do not live in a society wherein we can be active and greatly exclude starches. I'm a Cpht. working on my Doctorate, and I must say that if I did not eat some starch for breakfast, I would not have the energy to endure 8 hrs of classes when I can't always eat healthy until I get home. There's a balance.
Lipitorforall 5 months ago 2
Starch based diets are gay, animal fats are the real deal !
ThePainman88 5 months ago
"Dr. have you been to Peru'?" lol Shut his ass up lol
FroopieLoopies 5 months ago
Why is everyone so concerned about what we did in the past 1000, 10,000, or 1000,000 years. Domesticated dogs live longer with less disease than wild dogs why? Not because there eating the diet they been on for a million years, it's because we figured what foods are most efficient. I think you should take in the nutrients you need for the task at hand and no more. Otherwise your just left with biological waist Healthy or not, waist is waist. Other than that, this vid DID confuse me more than I
madcapparty 5 months ago
I'm with Dr. Fuhrman.
dong2phat4u 5 months ago
Here's what I come back to...
CALORIES. A starch based diet is fine as long as you're eating nutrient rich starches.
Also, white rice is indeed fine. Brown rice is nothing special, so why eat it if you don't like it? I just eat mid-glycemic basmati.
PurpleHoneyBear 5 months ago
I hate this clip... we need to stay united and focus on the 95% each Dr. agrees on. It does so much harm to the people attending the conference, and just leaves them confused and more likely to disregard all the great information they have learned. I agree with Dr. Esselstyn, that the focus should be eating a variety of whole foods. If that is your focus you won't be eating too much of any one thing.
RuinOrPeace 6 months ago
Very interesting information. I've been avoiding meat for years, and it helped me get my cholesterol down. Instead of meats, I eat nuts every day. Good information about starchy foods, and I always had a feeling white rice was ok. I can tell when I'm eating bad food by how much my stomach bloats after eating it.
BestWayToLoseWeightH 6 months ago
Dr. Esselstyn does an admirable job of not laughing in Fuhrman's face (with great effort).
huguenot67 6 months ago
What about the Paleolithic "diet"? It emphasizes fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, AND meat. Natural sugars, no grains, dairy, beans, or lentils. I thought human history shows that agriculture has been around for VERY little time, and thus, we aren't meant to eat pasta, bread, rice, etc. Isn't it true you can't eat those foods raw? I'd be curious to hear what people say the ideal "diet" is based on evolution/human history...
JMan9391 6 months ago
@JMan9391
Paleolithic diet is a good diet to have, and its one of the healthiest diets. The only diet that might be healthier is the raw food diet-fruits, vegetables, and nuts and seeds, and occasional bread and raw milk. The thing about raw food is that animals in the wild eat raw food anyway, and don't cook their food. Cooking food destroys enzymes, life nutrients. Thus it is better to eat food raw. But that means that you can't eat meat raw, because you risk parasites. thus fruits& veg
CBasie2856 6 months ago
@CBasie2856 That makes sense, but I've always heard that at some point millions of years ago, hunter-gatherers discovered fire, and thus, the ability to cook meats, among other things. MAYBE there is a chance that history shows that we have adapted/been programmed to eat meat? I could be wrong, and I really want to find out whether or not to eat meat for personal health, but there are so many arguments for both sides that I can't think straight. lol
JMan9391 6 months ago
@JMan9391
Well the thing is, if you can't eat something raw, then the food isn't meant for you. Meat can be eaten raw, but you could risk salmonella. Just to be on the safe side at all times, i would avoid meat. The next best thing to have is tropical fruits and nuts, and after that veggies. Watermelons, spinach, celery, cantaloupes, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, avocado, apples, oranges, kale, kelp, lemons, swiss chard, parsley
nuts and seeds must be soaked. you also have to EAT A LOT!
CBasie2856 6 months ago
@JMan9391
Well the thing about meat is that it might take hours to prepare a fire in the wild. Eating raw would be quicker, but you would have to eat meat right away after you kill it before the germs come in in order to not get sick. Thats why tribes had to rely on mostly squash, corn, potatoes for food, because its the quickest food with the highest calories. If we were in tropics, we would rely on mostly fruit, but since we are not in tropics, we have to rely on other sources of calories.
CBasie2856 6 months ago
humans are not omnivores, not herbivores, not carnivores, but frugivores. Which means we are supposed to eat mostly FRUIT, whether its the fruit or the nuts and seeds in the fruit. Our oldest ancestors ate mostly fruit, but not only did they eat fruit, but vegetables, and nuts and seeds.
There was a guy who lived to be 115 years old and he was in a video on youtube, and what did he eat? -fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds.
CBasie2856 6 months ago
@CBasie2856 Which anthropologist did you consult for that piece of very wrong information. Supposed to eat fruit??? Haha, that fails to explain why most humans would end up with a lot of health problems from eating only fruit.
tickyul 6 months ago
@tickyul
not necessarily man you would have problems, some people have lived on only fruits and vegetables since the beginning of man kind.
Check out the liferegenerator who lives off only fruits&veg. Liferegenerator looks the healthiest to me, I had a hard time excepting his ideas at first, but it later occured to me that most of our ape relatives eat mostly fruit instead of meat, only with occasional times of meat like the chimpanzee. Of course, sometimes they do eat nuts and seeds.
CBasie2856 6 months ago
@CBasie2856 We are omnivores not frugivores. We are meant to eat everything. A balanced diet
terrillcase 4 months ago
@terrillcase
Are you sure? if we are truly omnivores, why don't you go bite into some raw chicken meat and tell me we are omnivores.
Humans for the most part cook meat. Eating cooked meat doesn't make us omnivores. If I saw the population as a whole eating raw meat on a regular basis, then I would be more convinced, but for the majority of the population, the idea of eating raw meat has been condemned throughout history, even in Biblical times.
The teeth of humans suggest plant based.
CBasie2856 4 months ago 2
@terrillcase Don't bother, members of the Vegancult are so steeped in Ideology..........facts mean nothing to them. Check out the stories of insane Veganculter parents who put their kids on this sick diet.....now that is crazy and dangerous.
tickyul 2 months ago
If humans lived in tropical regions where there is fresh fruit, we'd be able to survive only on fresh fruits and vegetables. If we lived anywhere else, then we must have starches in our diet, or at least meat. That's the secret.
You would have to live in a tropical region if you were an early human to survive only on fresh fruits and vegetables.
CBasie2856 6 months ago
You can live on a fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds diet, but you have to do it correctly. Fruit and nuts have the most calories, so you have to eat a bunch of them everyday-NOT just a handful. Green leaf vegetables contain protein, so that's the key.
Raw food is not dangerous, you just got to EAT MORE fruits and vegetables to sustain you than you do with other diets such as starch based diets, and meat eating diets.
CBasie2856 6 months ago
The healthiest and longest living people on the earth eat a 100% raw food diet- Fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds and a lot of them everyday. If you chose a starch based diet, than you can fill up on raw potatoes, and you will too live a long life. If you ate only meat, fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, you will also live a long life.
If you eat breads, grains, dairy you life shortens. If you eat junk foods, your life shortens. If you smoke/take drugs, your lifespan shortens the most.
CBasie2856 6 months ago
i read and is going through McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss Book and I will say that in theory, it looks great. The heart doctor (don't know the spelling sorry) said that fat goes down to about 11% and the weighy stabilizes. That was spot on as the past few days my fat consumption was 11%. Now, McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss calls for under 10% fat intake, so I still have a ways to go (5%) is his recommendation, so he and Dr. Furrman are cery similar. I guess the question is where are you star
tropevp33 6 months ago
I think the starch based diet makes more sense. Especially with the fact that its a high energy food that humans ate to keep them satiated throughout the physically laborious day.
DevilChao5 6 months ago
@DevilChao5 High starch......satiating????? Lol, put me on a high starch diet and I am MORE hungry 30 minutes after a meal.
tickyul 6 months ago
@tickyul Riight, so after a meal based mainly of beans your hungry afterwords? that makes sense...not. Beans have a resistant starch in them thats difficult to digest and an undigestable starch that your stomach wont digest but the bacteria in you intestines will. The process takes a while keeping you full with consistent energy.
DevilChao5 6 months ago
@DevilChao5 Wow, beans..........shit my panties off for the next week...........forget it. Why would I eat something as obscene as a filthy plant based diet when I have yummy meat???? And no, most people are not going to adopt this diet. Grains........haha, makes me sick too. Some my GET BY on this weirdo diet.....most will start feeling like crap and come to their senses.......and quit.
tickyul 2 months ago
@tickyul U obviously have done 0 research on a plant based diet because the science is in its favor..I dont blame you though, most people are unaware of this and I will gladly point you in the direction to see the research and come to your own conclusions. Check out nutritionfacts DAWT org
DevilChao5 2 months ago
the mcdougall guy forgot to mention the billions of pple that ate a starchy diet also walked and ran everywhere, toiled everyday in hard labor, and had shorter lifespans. lack of antioxidants from fruits and vegies lead to shorter lifespan.
mrzack888 7 months ago
Funny how that black dude is a bit overweight and doesn't look as healthy as McDougall
peacewalker7 7 months ago
I always like the simplicity of Dr. McDougall's arguments. A starch based diet doesn't mean all you eat are starches. It means eat rice with vegetables, eat a baked potato with a salad, have some lentil or split pea soup (with vegetables in it), etc. It's also important to eat plenty of fresh fruit. I think if you're hungry for an avocado or some peanut butter, it's okay to have some. If you're eating a vegan diet, you don't need to worry. Just avoid the processed oils and you'll do fine.
1imesub 7 months ago 19
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@1imesub Plant based diets!! Now we have to try to convince the stubborn ignorant brainwashed american public! and pharmaceutical companies! That will never happen, there's no money in being healthy!
5tonyvvvv 2 months ago
Also the proponent of starch is not addressing what the other man said - activity is related to the amount of starch you can eat. He keeps referring to very active people such as in Peru. They don't have the technology to be sedentary like the US, Europe, etc. I think it's irresponsible to recommend a high starch diet to someone that leads a sedentary life in front of a computer all day.
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1imesub 7 months ago
MacDougal represents a false impression that a low starch means to too few calories, whereas calories can come from beans, nuts and seeds and avocado. He also uses 'successful' tribes in the past who have eaten starch to justify why we should now base our diets on starch. This is also wrong logic because there was no longevity in such groups, and now that today's populations live longer, we have more information about longevity and its relationship to caloric quality.
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1imesub 7 months ago
@tealfarm If you watch some of Dr. John McDougall's other videos, he will admit that people can do just fine a diet of fruit, assuming they eat enough, since fruit is higher in sugar and calories than vegetables. Also, legumes are a form of starch.
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melanimadavi 9 months ago
Blood type O = meat eaters.
Blood type A = vegetarians.
Blood Type Diet. Problem solved.
MorrisonEnterprise 9 months ago
@MorrisonEnterprise thats like saying some lions should eat fruits and vegetables only meanwhile others should eat meat like they are all supposed to. LoL. we are the same species...blood type diet is laughable.
jbrah69 9 months ago
@jbrah69 No, it's like saying that humans have populated every continent on the planet, and as a part of their geographic and anthropological evolution, have had to adapt to different types of foods. Lions have not. I suggest doing a little research into the diet. You might be surprised to find it's based on peer reviewed medical evidence from as early as the 1950's.
MorrisonEnterprise 9 months ago 2
@MorrisonEnterprise you have a point but man originates from the tropics so it was him shunning away from the fruits and vegetables that thrive in that climate.
jbrah69 9 months ago
@MorrisonEnterprise Chimps have a variety of different blood types yet they all eat the same diet. Cows have more blood types than humans yet they all eat the same thing: grass. Your theory is completely flawed.
1imesub 7 months ago 13
@1imesub First of all it's not a theory, it's a hypothesis. Secondly it's not my hypothesis, it's the hypothesis of a scientist and practicing physician of 30 years. Chimps, cows, horses and dogs don't glycosylate the same way humans do. Our chromosomes don't hold the same information in the same location, and therefore blood type does not mean the same for a platypus as it does for a human. There are thousands of peer-reviewed articles on this, I suggest researching before blabbing..
MorrisonEnterprise 7 months ago
@MorrisonEnterprise No human being needs to eat meat to be healthy, regardless of what blood type they may be. I wouldn't waste my time reading about something so inconsequential. Doctors come along all the time with research findings and data to entice people into buying their books, taking their supplements, etc. It's a scam to get your money. Why would you believe any of that nonsense? Are 'blood type O' people invincible to cardiovascular disease, cancer and diabetes? Of course not.
1imesub 7 months ago
@1imesub "I wouldn't waste my time reading..." Yeah... this is why I'm done arguing with you.
MorrisonEnterprise 7 months ago
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5tonyvvvv 2 months ago
I love my sweet potatoes and potatoes. Milton Mills has a point about some vegetables being bred to be a certain way. That's why I try to avoid wheat.
chiyerano 9 months ago
HTE PROBLEM IS PROPORTION. MY GOD! ITS VERY SIMPLE!!!
six80ususus 9 months ago
I tried to eat only vegetables, but that just made me depressed. So I really believe I need some potatoes for my mental health. John McDougall you rock! :D
MissElise86 9 months ago
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MissElise86 9 months ago
I eat more big ass giant russet potatoes than anyone I know, I weight 160, im 5'9, never been fat, never will be. I eat 3-4 baked potatoes a day, loaded with pepper and fish oil butter. Sometimes i'll have 2 just for breakfast. The energy and strength I've gotten since making potatoes my staple food is beyond anything bad the extra "starch" has given me. I've literally doubled my work output and am stronger than most of my 200+ lb friends who live on the typical american diet.
theuppro 10 months ago
Fantastic discussion. Thanks for posting!
theuppro 10 months ago
It's basically conservative vs. progressive with McDougall and Fuhrman. I like both and see good sides of both but Fuhrman wins hands down in this one because he sees the opportunity for modern society and is not hung up on the size of the potatoes in Peru or whatnot.
ocergnairb 10 months ago
I've had all kinds of diets and what works for me is what they said, keep it simple eat a plant based diet, dont worry too much about numbers, you can even have meat or dairy every now and then, my blood test is now excellent.
Bajacaliwave 10 months ago
Vegan or not Vegan, Aussies, Japanese, Frenches, Swiss, Swedes live the most on Earth. Not everybody of these people is vegan. Even vegan live at best the same as the mentioned people live. Id like to know: What does people in Japan, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia eat daily? How are their lifestyles, access to health care, education, healthy and clean homes and jobs? Maybe this is a good beginning for analysis.
Pedrofrombrazil 11 months ago
@Pedrofrombrazil, What do the countries you mentioned have in common? They have very traditional diets. They eat food their population have learned is best for them over centuries. Newer countries or countries with more diverse diets have more health problems. As fast food has entered these countries, their health is declining. Ppl need individualized diets. Tradition helps with that as long as a person follows their ancestors. Untested changes wreak havoc on ppl. (See Nutritional Typing).
iamgabrielf 11 months ago
Vegan doesn't want to kill animal so they refuse to eat meat.
Pesticide kills a lot more creature when growing veggies.
No matter what, human can avoid animal killing.
SuperBlacx 11 months ago
these "experts" don't know what their talking about it's halerious when they argue
095034006 11 months ago
these "experts" don't know what their talking about
095034006 11 months ago
@095034006 They're all MD's. Are you?
watermelonygoodness 11 months ago
@095034006 maybe you need apply to medical school and become an expert
missfitness33 11 months ago
@missfitness33 Med. school certainly won't help. Not necessarily, isn't the avg. amt. of nutrition taught in med. school about 3 hours? It's criminal.
stockinettestitch 11 months ago
@missfitness33 so then are YOU an expert
095034006 10 months ago
Last 10 seconds are hilarious!
WineAndGravy 11 months ago
I find the hardest thing for me when dieting is getting enough nutrition. Smaller portions work, but I’m left hungry and less food= less nutrition. I use nutritional supplements now and eat healthy, full meals.I got started at ryansnutrition com and have my appetite under control.
LisasRadiance 1 year ago
Scientists have ascertained that the most nutritious & economic meal known is Chefboyardee Beef Ravioli (The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Nov 1, 2010; 92 [5]) “This should come as no surprise”, quipped ConAgra Foods / Chefboyardee CEO Gary Rodkin, “…here at Chefboyardee we pride ourselves on high quality product, aimed at supplying all the essential nutrients.” Study conducted by the Linus Pauling Institute, Oregon State University, with partial funding from ConAgra Foods.
32Iroomi321 1 year ago
It's Asain's, not "orientals" I am white and I would like to point that out.
rockybobby 1 year ago
Those who doubt the power of a vegan diet should check out some of the vegan bodybuilder websites!
FountainOfGardens 1 year ago
Question: Why are we listening to these guys? Seeing as they pretty much are all balding, I'd assume poor eyesite by those in the glasses, and I highly doubt more than one or two of them are in relatively decent athletic shape. Honestly do any of them look like the pinnacle of health? I guess that is the power of having an MD, pHD, HIJKLMNOP, or some other label next to your name. Fruit is the best food for you, it has everything you need.
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10 : Fruit is fine in moderate amounts for the fibre and anti-oxidants but humans aren't frugivores. A fruitarian diet is one of the worst diets ever conceived. Also, while Dr. McDougall is saying that all successful populations have followed a starch-based diet he left out the fact that all successful populations have also included animal foods in their diet. I like to use the Okinawan population as an example. They are the healthiest, longest-lived population in the world.
auggiedoggy 1 year ago
@auggiedoggy
That's true, but not nearly in the same proportion as plant based foods. Their diets were mostly plant based, and in Okinawa, when they eat meat it's usually fish, much of it raw ( not just any meat ). Gladiators were known as "barley men" , due to their vegan-barley based diets. This was confirmed a few years ago by archeological digs in the city of ephesus / modern turkey. 100% plant based diet.
ActionFitLifeTV 11 months ago
@ActionFitLifeTV : Which confirms my point that one does not have to become vegan or even vegetarian. The optimal diet based upon what we have observed is that of fish eating populations like the Japanese (including Okinawans) who live the longest.
auggiedoggy 11 months ago
@auggiedoggy
The Okinawan's diet is much better than the SAD / standard american diet, but it's necessarily the "optimal diet". Their diet is mainly plant based with some raw fish..( Mostly raw ). I'd say it's quite difficult to determine what is an "optimal" daily diet, because all populations aren't the same. However, a plant based diet, whether it's 100% plant based or not, is much healthier than a highly processed, meat based diet.
ActionFitLifeTV 11 months ago
@ActionFitLifeTV : The problem vegetarians and vegans in particular, have is that if eliminating *some* animal foods is better for you then eliminating *all* animal foods is best. As with many other aspects in life this too is a fallacy. We don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Fish eaters, as a group, do live longer. You can't say that about vegans or vegetarians. In fact there are no vegan populations and that includes India where vegetarians consume cheese, milk and yogurt.
auggiedoggy 11 months ago
@auggiedoggy
Well said Auggie!
I'm glad people are realizing that Veganism is a myth and waking up to it.
StopTheRobbery2 11 months ago
@auggiedoggy
That's " it's not necessarily ".
ActionFitLifeTV 11 months ago
@auggiedoggy
"It's Not necessarily....".
ActionFitLifeTV 11 months ago
@CerebralPrince10
Yep. Dr. Graham, the proponent of the fruit-based diet, is almost completely bald. What do you say to that?
skylinefor2 1 year ago
@skylinefor2
Personally I do not know too much about Dr. Graham, but I do know his diet consist of nuts, seeds, and veggies and he advocates eating as much as you can (which for most people who follow his program is 3000-10000 calories a day). My diet is drastically different than his, but I will say he looks better physically than anybody on this panel.
Again I do not know everything about Dr. Graham's lifestyle and what other factors in his life have contributed to his baldness
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10 Mr. Graham is somewhat balding and has grey hair, but he is physically fit and has a nice lean body.
brandonx19 11 months ago
@skylinefor2
to be honest out of the videos I've seen of Dr. Graham, as recent as march 2010, I see him with nothing but a full head of hair (while it is grey)
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
We are omnivorous hunter-gatherers and our closest relative is the Chimpanzee so a Paleolithic diet is basically what we are all about... end of story... raw un-processed organic wild or as close as possible to that.
Then there is longevity of the body vs usage of the body... regardless of diet the more the cells are required to replace the quicker the failure... hence low calorie low body usage leads to longevity but makes you weak... so back to the Paleolithic to suit... as nature intended!
dudemusicspace 1 year ago
The answer is fruitarianism, add vegetables if your job or desired body look requires a little more bulk
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10
Wow thats ridiculous... you couldn't be more wrong about that.
Fruit is sugar, and sugar is the enemy of a healthy human being.
The answer is to look to the past when man ate mostly meat, dairy and fresh wild vegetables and fruits when they were in season.
StopTheRobbery2 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
"fruit is sugar, and sugar is the enemy of a healthy human being"
Now that is RIDICULOUS.
1. I never specificed how many calories you have to eat so you can't say I'm over eating sugar (personally I intermittent fast which leaves my daily caloric intake fairly low)
2. There is a huge difference between frucose (fruit sugar) and sucrose (refined table sugar)
3. Fruits are typically between 60-80% water content, so to say fruit IS sugar is very inaccurate
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
And do not even get me started with your atroticiously inaccurate "look to the past when man ate meat, dairy"
two of the WORST foods for human beings.
1. Both are highly acid and full of saturated fat
2. Meat is low in water content and ridiculously tough on the intestines
3. If you want milk get it from a human, not a cow abused to satisfy you think you need
Fruitarianism doesn't hurt anybody, you actually do the plant a favor by spreading it's seeds.
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10
lol you need to look at the science my friend and drop your belief systems.
Saturated fat is one of the most important components of your diet.
Sure try eating only fruit and your teeth and bones will go soft, and you'll have diabetes in no time. Good luck with that.
StopTheRobbery2 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
Look at the videos on my account and then tell me I have soft teeth or diabetes or that I need to "drop (my) belief systems"
You say look at the science, but obviously you do not know it. "Science" says that there are breatharians (check the study on Prahlad Jhani), "science" says saturated fat leads to clogged arteries and a plethora of other health complications
Let me ask you, what food is better for humans than fruit?
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10
lol what a silly arguement you present.
What food is better than fruit? aka What food is better than carbohydrates?
The answer is everything!
All carbohydrates break down in the body as sugar, whether it's white bread, brown bread, fruit or cake.
Fruit does have benefit but you can't survive on it alone, and too many carbs are the cause of most diseases today.
The only fuel a human needs for survival is Protein and Fat.
StopTheRobbery2 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
lol way to not answer my question mr. carbophobia, I asked for a food better than fruit and you couldn't give me one
Every cell in the human body runs on glucose. Glucose is sugar, but since sugar is so bad for us why don't we just not eat any and not have our cells function (let me know how that works)
I will admit with everything and anything you can over do it, but no food is better for the human body than fruits.
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10
I told you EVERY food except grains is better than fruit.
You need to do more studying, I have read over 100 books on health, you're obviously following some researcher based on your beliefs. I research with no bias, I've looked at all diets and you will not get the protein you need from a piece of fruit, and you will get far too much sugar.
The ideal fuel source for human cells is not glucose, it is fat.
StopTheRobbery2 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
please tell me which researcher I am following?
Your ignorance is glaring. All plant based foods contain all eight essential amino acids, fruits are on average 5-10% protein by calories do the research ;-). Fruits also contain your precious fat, but in much more moderate amounts than other subquality foods.
You say too much sugar, but you don't know HOW MUCH fruit I eat so you can't say I eat too much sugar.
Give me any food and I'll tell you how it is inferior to fruit
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@CerebralPrince10
I really don't want to waste my time arguing, but i really think you should do more research.
Look into the work of weston price and you'll see what a human has eaten from the beginning of time.
Prior to 10,000 years ago man has always eaten the same thing.. Mostly red meat, dairy and wild vegetables and fruit when it was in season. Modern agriculture is unsustainable, and therefore we would destroy our environment very quickly if all people ate was fruit.
StopTheRobbery2 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
I'll let you go, but in response to what you said
Look at the research that suggests homo sapiens were orginially and today are built for frugivorism, I know the research but it doesn't seem like you do
Fruit is the most efficent food around. You pick it from the plant, eat it, disperse seeds, grow and repeat.
Think of how much land, grain, water, and natural resources we waste by raising animals for food, and the resources we waste cooking and processing food.
CerebralPrince10 1 year ago
@StopTheRobbery2
In light of your claims, I don't blame you for not wanting to argue. Animal husbandry / raising livestock requires 10 times more energy and creates much more pollution and waist, than any type of agriculture. Agriculture is much more sustainable than the meat industry.See the " Executive summary of Livestock’s Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options,* a 2006 report published b