AA makes crappy products. Your lifetime warranty really shows that you care about your product and customer. I wanted to suggest that you try to start producing drums and mags for the Saiga rifles, such as the 7.62 or .223, since there is a big market for these guns but no drums available without modification to the gun itself, since they have no bullet guide. Good luck with your company.
alright I am new on the saiga forum... I havent even posted and dont own a saiga-12 YET! and I dont doubt your drum is superior with zero ak and saiga experience based purely on my military experience and engineering mindset...now my biggest question is... how many mikes are involved in this scandal!?!?!
Also, even if they didnt tamper with it to prevent it from cycling fast on full auto, there is a damn big difference between their adjustments to YOUR gun & changing a spring setting. They just scream dishonesty it seems. My family has mostly engineers, you cant B.S. technically savvy people without losing ALL credibility.
I will be ordering YOURS soon.
However, why does yours seem (on vids) to misfeed on the 3rd round of rapid fire at times? I have seen 2 vids where this happened. Is it fixed?
I just recently bought my Saiga 12. I am not as knoweledgable about this gun as I will be in a couple of months of research & tinkering.
However, as a Psychotherapist, I pride myself on my ability to detect ones affect when they are lieing. Watching their comparison I just felt they were being underhanded. Their kinda dumb too, they already had your drum out of box in the begining, guess they forgot to re-pack after messing with it.
I've shot the MD Arms drum and the wraithmaker. I'm on 400 rounds on the MD Arms with no issues. The wraithmaker is on the floor in my garage where it belongs, nothing but feed problems since day one. I actually feel like a sucker admitting I own one due to its cost. As someone mentioned, the open sides of it is not practical. Go with MD Arms people. I tried to return my wraithmaker due to all the problems and they were rude and blamed me for it's issues.
who the hell would want a drum open on the sides anyway especially in a "combat" shotgun,no telling what kinda crap would get in their if you dropped it or fell in the mud with it or whatever
I got a drum on the first run (pre-ordered a year ago) and I've shot probably 300 rounds through it now with only two fte's and that was with the cheap, 1oz Federal stuff.
Mike did a helluva job with this product. Shame on AA for resorting to such low tactics.
I was very tired. I filmed it around 2 in the morning. I also spent much time (days) preparing my response. Took some time to figure out exactly what they did to rig their videos. I'm done. I almost filmed a 4th video reproducing the fte's by removing some of the lead shot from the shells (like they did) but said screw it. Would have taken to long to rig that many shells. I'm more worried about making stuff work. To spend my time making something not work is just a damn waste and dumb!!!
I personally believe what this man is saying. He has produced a quality product and is experienced in this field.
I cannot speak of the AA drum (wraithmaker) as I have no personal experience in it, but I do have a MD20 drum, and it is a great drum to shoot. Over 200 rds out of it so far with NOT ONE failure to feed or eject. Many of those fired as fast as I and friends and family could squeeze the trigger. And no expensive reliability service involved.
Watched all 3 videos. Great stuff in them. You sure do your homework is all I have to say. Good eye on catching Alliance's crutical slip up and identifing their set up. Those guys are a joke. Set your drum up to catch like that and not smart enough to do a take 2 when their own drum caught on the top! That is so funny! I also watched their loading and inserting videos. Clearly shows what you said! Man those guys are dumb, "Your ready to go now, here's your safty." He sounds so stupid and is!!!!!
Alliance Armament must be run by sociopaths. Or, just a bunch of cry-baby morons. Let them go out of business; the Saiga community is better off without them.
AA makes crappy products. Your lifetime warranty really shows that you care about your product and customer. I wanted to suggest that you try to start producing drums and mags for the Saiga rifles, such as the 7.62 or .223, since there is a big market for these guns but no drums available without modification to the gun itself, since they have no bullet guide. Good luck with your company.
mlmartis 1 year ago
You guys make the best Saiga 12 drums. I just wish they were 20 dollars cheaper
GlessWVU 1 year ago
alright I am new on the saiga forum... I havent even posted and dont own a saiga-12 YET! and I dont doubt your drum is superior with zero ak and saiga experience based purely on my military experience and engineering mindset...now my biggest question is... how many mikes are involved in this scandal!?!?!
vampire847 1 year ago
theres a reason these video allow responses and are highly rated.. wheres AA's don't.. and are poorly rated.. Honesty and customer reviews
volkov545 2 years ago 5
I agree, just seeing that AA does not let you leave a text comment tells you somethig.
raven66crowley 2 years ago
Also, even if they didnt tamper with it to prevent it from cycling fast on full auto, there is a damn big difference between their adjustments to YOUR gun & changing a spring setting. They just scream dishonesty it seems. My family has mostly engineers, you cant B.S. technically savvy people without losing ALL credibility.
I will be ordering YOURS soon.
However, why does yours seem (on vids) to misfeed on the 3rd round of rapid fire at times? I have seen 2 vids where this happened. Is it fixed?
paulyski 2 years ago
I just recently bought my Saiga 12. I am not as knoweledgable about this gun as I will be in a couple of months of research & tinkering.
However, as a Psychotherapist, I pride myself on my ability to detect ones affect when they are lieing. Watching their comparison I just felt they were being underhanded. Their kinda dumb too, they already had your drum out of box in the begining, guess they forgot to re-pack after messing with it.
paulyski 2 years ago
Good job, thanks for taking the effort!~
angurisloud 2 years ago
I've shot the MD Arms drum and the wraithmaker. I'm on 400 rounds on the MD Arms with no issues. The wraithmaker is on the floor in my garage where it belongs, nothing but feed problems since day one. I actually feel like a sucker admitting I own one due to its cost. As someone mentioned, the open sides of it is not practical. Go with MD Arms people. I tried to return my wraithmaker due to all the problems and they were rude and blamed me for it's issues.
nozzghoull 3 years ago 8
Note for next time: post the relevant links in the description to more easily arrive to the full report :P
cyphre 3 years ago
who the hell would want a drum open on the sides anyway especially in a "combat" shotgun,no telling what kinda crap would get in their if you dropped it or fell in the mud with it or whatever
osp80 3 years ago 13
I ordered an MD-20 drum as a gift for my brother just tonight. Man he is gonna be so psyched.
benhur55 3 years ago 2
I got a drum on the first run (pre-ordered a year ago) and I've shot probably 300 rounds through it now with only two fte's and that was with the cheap, 1oz Federal stuff.
Mike did a helluva job with this product. Shame on AA for resorting to such low tactics.
1andy2 3 years ago 3
There's a good reason why AA has disabled comments on their vids. Keep up the good work Mike.
quik7806 3 years ago 5
Mike, you have the finest business ethics around; not just in the firearms industry but all-around. Screw AA.
I love my MD-20 drums!
fmj2379 3 years ago 4
Mike, maaan u look tired. Don't spend ANY more time responding to these "sneaky lying jack-asses".
-kingratt2-
raymarz97 3 years ago 7
I was very tired. I filmed it around 2 in the morning. I also spent much time (days) preparing my response. Took some time to figure out exactly what they did to rig their videos. I'm done. I almost filmed a 4th video reproducing the fte's by removing some of the lead shot from the shells (like they did) but said screw it. Would have taken to long to rig that many shells. I'm more worried about making stuff work. To spend my time making something not work is just a damn waste and dumb!!!
hellyeahdrum 3 years ago
Why was your drum already opened on their videos? Obviously they tampered with it before filming.
Z06F4i 3 years ago
good job telling people the truth mike
blackrhino74 3 years ago
I personally believe what this man is saying. He has produced a quality product and is experienced in this field.
I cannot speak of the AA drum (wraithmaker) as I have no personal experience in it, but I do have a MD20 drum, and it is a great drum to shoot. Over 200 rds out of it so far with NOT ONE failure to feed or eject. Many of those fired as fast as I and friends and family could squeeze the trigger. And no expensive reliability service involved.
waltham41 3 years ago
Watched all 3 videos. Great stuff in them. You sure do your homework is all I have to say. Good eye on catching Alliance's crutical slip up and identifing their set up. Those guys are a joke. Set your drum up to catch like that and not smart enough to do a take 2 when their own drum caught on the top! That is so funny! I also watched their loading and inserting videos. Clearly shows what you said! Man those guys are dumb, "Your ready to go now, here's your safty." He sounds so stupid and is!!!!!
speakingmypeace 3 years ago
Alliance Armament must be run by sociopaths. Or, just a bunch of cry-baby morons. Let them go out of business; the Saiga community is better off without them.
ORLY21 3 years ago
Preachin to the choir!
makpete 3 years ago
Thanks for not rushing the MD-20 to production.
spraynpray 3 years ago