Train arriving in Lhasa

[richardedkins]

why is that? @ThePogokiller

[ThePogokiller]

This video pisses me off

[azzy314159]

Is the woman @ 0:10, in the red shirt, hiding a bandolier under her shawl?

[derekjoe]

Now Dalai Lama warned about the cultural genocide followed by the railway, at the same time he also criticized the below-average life standard of tibetan people in China. So could His Holiness try to figure out a better way to boost tibetan economy than building a railway? I don't think so!

[tadorjee]

Chinese bringing to train to Tibet is not only threat for the complete death of tibetan culture,tradition,environments also a thread to world peace.China had stationed biggest numbers of millitary in Tibet big threat for Indian and other south asian free nations.Tibet is the highest peak of the world and installation of nuclear missiles there can get more longer ranges.Even in 21 century communist is still threat for free world.

[saigce]

@tadorjee

i donot agree with

im a communist but im not threat for anyone, expect someone threat to me

[wanly596]

@tadorjee Why do you always want to deprive people in Tibet of their fundamental rights to enjoy the industrialized life. What do you mean by keeping tibet culture intact? Leaving people in Tibet isolated? Leaving people in Tibet living in poor and starvation? Leaving people in Tibet staying away from modern civilization? Do you have basic idea about Tibet history, Tibet culture and Tibet people? Do not act like an expert when you are not!

[TheZhenyehuo]

@wanly596 yes, thats exactly what they want! tibet for them is just like one huge theme park, if they were developed, where else can find these poor people and make themself feel better?

[jackidol1]

@wanly596 and fucking who gave you right to think what tibetan people need... leave them alone... and stop thinking for tibetan people..let them decide what they what they want... free tibet.. and fuck the chinese race of whore... who whine all the time like little whore... fuck off....

[wanly596]

@tadorjee What an idiot! Without Qinghai-Tibet plateau, Chinese nuclear missiles still can easily reach any part of this world, just as USA and Russia could do. Qinghai-Tibet plateau is so close to reconnaissance satellite orbit and the weather is sunny most of the year, only idiot would hide their strategic weapons in this area !

[tadorjee]

Chinese bringing to train to Tibet is not only threat for the complete death of tibetan culture,tradition,environments also a thread to world peace.China had stationed biggest numbers of millitary in Tibet big threat for Indian and other south asian free nations.Tibet is the highest peak of the world and installation of nuclear missiles there can get more longer ranges.Even in 21 century communist is still threat for free world.

[xyrules666]

dont want to pay the PRC for expensive permits ? then simply fuck off from china, u then pay nothing

[richardedkins]

well done 'xyrules 666'

i can see from the pictures on your channel you are a main of reason and intellect!

Can you not see the dilemma, in paying permits to PRC to enter Tibet when the country is disputed and human rights violations by the PRC on the indigenous population are well documented.

China is a beautiful country with great people, but there have been many abuses by PLA in Tibet and throughout China itself, its time this was truly recognised and people move on, building a fair free land

[aguswidjaja]

@richardedkins There are police abuses in Los Angeles too. There are probably more in the US than in China. Discrimination is still rampant in the US. Gays, blacks, polygamists are still being mistreated. Stop insulting China in the name of human rights. Scum like you do not care about human rights. Clean up your own house before criticizing others.

[richardedkins]

I am not American, I am not insulting China, I do care about Human rights

I agree Discrimination is still rampant in the US, UK and many countries. We all need to 'clean up our own houses'

all the best aguswidjaja

[kaiwkc]

@richardedkins For ur information, the mainland Chinese also need to apply & pay for an 'entry permit' to visit Hong Kong & Macau, which are also parts of China, and the control are much tighter than entering Tibet. The reason behind that is to advoid the place from being over-crowded from the 1.3 billion population suddenly. Thats why they also do this to Tibet to 'protect' this beautiful place from being overcrowed. Pls think in a much more mature way.

[richardedkins]

betalover1 continued

"China's social problems are of a different kind, more like slavic people or even the Irish in the USA. Sociologically this is true. The Tibetans are not American blacks, but slavs"

[richardedkins]

betalover1 wrote this earlier but then censored himself??

"When the DL travelled to Taiwan recently, there was a Chinese look alike for the DL in Taiwan.

Well, if there were a MLK look alike that is white exists, the USA would not have such racial problems even today.

Blacks would be assimilated as the slavic people: whites although once discriminated against." says, betalover1 NOT me

[betalover1]

Modernity and practically will have its influence on the Tibetans, for the same reason that the video is about a Chinese built train.

[betalover1]

May be you shouldn't have travelled on a train built by the Chinese, if you feel strongly enough.

This proves the point. The Chinese help bring modernity to its Tibeatn region and liberated most Tibetans from serfdom.

If spirituality should be placed above practical well-being, may be you should have suffered more inconvinence as you travelled to Tibet by land instead of taking the Chinese built train.

[chunlusun]

What is the point of this video? Show people how true Tibetans look like?

[Wizenedcompass]

I really enjoyed your video. I just posted videos of my train ride to Lhasa. I was on a tour, and we had a sleeper car in front of the canteen car. Other passengers were all Han Chinese or Europeans. I'd remembered reading in my guide book the Tibetans could only afford "hard class" in the rear of the train, so I walked through 16 cars with six bunks of Chinese sleepers without reaching the cars for the Tibetans. Progress is important, but their two-tiered social stratification is painful.

[cismok]

The guide book just cheats you, 18 cars each train, 8 hard seats, 8 sleepers, 1 carteen car, and the last one in rear is a luggage car. Usually hard seats for short trip passengers. Hard seats can for any person including you, if you demand it at station, and half of them are Han Chinese

[legendcitizen]

@Wizenedcompass

for one thing, average income for people in tibet is much lower than people in south east china;

for another thing,people in autonomic region take less than 12 hours to travel from their home railway station to Lhasa.

[Dylan2811]

Seems that this video cannot be accessed from Mainland China. (no Chinese viewers in the Statistics)

There is nothing politial about a train ride .... so why banning it ?

[richardedkins]

not sure what current situation is, I'd check on Chinese Embassy / consulate web sites

[seafury]

Would you know if a US citizen would have problems getting an entry permit?

[richardedkins]

Thats what they call that class, Hard Seat, but yeah Train quality is great.

You are supposed to get a permit to travel in permit, and indeed need several others if traveling around, prior to the Olympics and after protests in Lhasa the region was off limits to tourists and reporters for a while. Many people were concerned about Human rights violations happening whilst Journalists were shut out from reporting.

[syncmaster915n]

Hard seat you say. My dad also watched this and he told me hardseats in China 30 years ago were made of hardwood and nothing else. The seats in this clip are like airplane seats.

My dad, a retired diplomat, said that we should all leave politics out of this so called 'Tibet problem'. Tibet needs developments. Nobody can do it except the Chinese. As to cultural genocide, we did that 500 years ago, to the American Indians. So we have no place to judge.

[syncmaster915n]

PS. As far as i know, only reporters and other foreign officials require permits to enter Tibet. Anybody else is free to travel to Tibet within China. I don't know if the CCP changed the policy after the Olympics though.

[richardedkins]

China has made some impressive developments in Tibet, but we should not forget / forgive any Human rights abuses.

When you say "As to cultural genocide, we did that 500 years ago, to the American Indians. So we have no place to judge." I guess you mean your fore fathers.

It's not about judgement but for societies to advance we much question our past and challenge problems now

As a film maker I was just exploring / recording some Tibetans perspective and views on the situation

take care

[gongdaweinan]

well said, after all, Tibetans are getting a better life as part of china

[baxmonstertrak]

tibetians look like koreans

[zakkbest]

Lol, that's impressive. I never know you need to have a permit. You can take a plane to Lhasa and they don't check on you. Just smile, Chinese people are friendly, if you smile they will see you as a friend.

[richardedkins]

Foreigners are supposed to get a permit to enter 'Tibet Autonomous Zone', but we just got a ticket at Goldmud for Lhasa, and wasn't asked for permits either. Yeah, Chinese people, on the whole, are very friendly! :)

[saigce]

@zakkbest

you are right, im a beijinger, i have been lhasa, i remember there is no enter permit if you are in china

[pal2011]

Well you needed a permit to visit from Nepal, the charge is more like a courtesy visa charge rather than an entry permit. Flying to Lhasa or taking a train from mainland has always been free. Although it's not exactly a desirable place to visit.