Gentoo Linux - Enlightenment (E17)

[lawlzor1000]

@22ness0hayden here is the manual .. ( pretty simple )

#cd /usr/src/linux

#make menuconfig

#make && make modules_install

Kernel is compiled :), it can't be easier ... You want a .config that work ??? ( not a shitty genkernel thing ) just copy the .config of ubuntu ( it loads in 8 second ) .

[calebgray]

@lawlzor1000 That's definitely exactly what I use. I've compiled everything that I constantly use in to the kernel, and compile the random drivers (USB-to-Ethernet, etc) as modules. The kernel boots in a couple seconds when I pass -quiet through GRUB to the kernel. :)

[Evi1M4chine]

That just looks like someone combined the shitty looks of Windows 98 window decoration with the utterly pointless OS X “made for retards” dock bling, and added some Compiz-like window movement.

No thanks. If it still has got overlapping windows, it’s still FAIL. If it has a task bar, it’s still FAIL. If you still need the mouse to move windows around, it’s still FAIL. And if you still have monolithic “applications” it’s still FAIL.

[calebgray]

@Evi1M4chine Sweet! I've been waiting for someone like you! Could you list the programs you use, I'm interested in setting myself up to never touch the mouse again, but I feel like I use too many programs where I need it (like Google Chromium).

[22ness0hayden]

LOL at the people who think Arch is like Gentoo. Just cos you got a text based install and you have to tweak a couple of config files you think you're on the same level? Naaa sorry. Gentoo doesn't even have an installer and we CREATE our config files!

I use and like Arch, but please don't compare until you've tried both. Gentoo really is a major step up from Arch.

[calebgray]

@22ness0hayden Ah, thanks for this insight! I actually attempted an Arch install and had the installation fail on me during one of its automated steps... needless to say I wasn't about to fix their script to get it installed.

At one point I found a distro that was all source based, and extremely modular... it installed everything (including libs) in to separate directories. Making for the cleanest Linux distro I've ever seen... wish I could remember the name of it... hahah!

[kawreaVII]

@22ness0hayden neither of them are hard you just need to read the manual.... anyone can install gentoo if they just take the time to follow instructions

[22ness0hayden]

@kawreaVII You'll also need a good few years of Linux experience. Have a look on the gentoo forums - people are on their 3rd attempt because they've come from Arch or Ubuntu and don't understand what they're doing. I defy you to show me anyone who can compile their kernel just by "reading the manual"

[kawreaVII]

@22ness0hayden

that's why there's the genkernel

[Qkumber1]

It's funny because it uses less memory than windows 95

[kakita123]

Dude i came here just to see e17 but i gotta ask

Why Gentoo ??? why not ArchLinux, i still cant see any advantages of Gentoo over Arch

BTW e-17 seems pretty cools but i dont if its usuable atm, i will try it after exams season

[calebgray]

@kakita123 I just installed E17 again (from SVN) a few days ago. It's incredible. Like, I have no words. I'm considering installing it on my phone, just because I can because E17 is that awesome. lol

And, I chose Gentoo-- because at the time it was my best option as a developer. I've never tried Arch Linux-- it's installing in a VM right now so I can check it out and see if I like it or not. On the surface it sounds pretty good though.

[22ness0hayden]

@kakita123 Portage and USE flags for a start. My system has exactly what I want and nothing else and all apps are complied specifically for my machine (kernel and all). That's the beauty of Gentoo. Oh, and it's fast and stable too! I also use Arch but Gentoo I have a soft spot for. ;-)

[nemesi5985]

does it crash often?

[calebgray]

Actually, never. Not joking-- I'm just as shocked as you are about that one. :P

[LTS1287]

That looks so kick ass. I love e17 since its more lightweight than compiz/beryl/compiz fusion. You should write a how-to and post it on a forum.

[LTS1287]

I have tried to get an e17 session on Ubuntu and have succeeded. However, it looks nothing like this. It's ugly and pretty much unusable. I have no idea how to tweak it.

[calebgray]

Yeah, I have to say that using a binary distribution and Linux is an oxymoron. If you're looking to see the latest and greatest of anything in Linux, I highly recommend installing Gentoo from scratch, compiling your own kernel, and tweaking everything you can handle. That's how I finally got myself completely comfortable with Linux, and that's how I can experience the things (like e17) regardless of them being deep in development. (And being a C++ programmer helps :P)

[LTS1287]

I'm trying to migrate from Ubuntu to arch. I'm also trying to learn C++. But if you're interested in writing a how to, I'm a mod on a small (but growing) forum. Also, I'd just like to know how you did it, lol.

[LTS1287]

I made the switch to archlinux. Its like Gentoo but also offers binaries. In my opinion its much easier to use.

[calebgray]

My transition to Gentoo was similar: binary, to binary and source mixed, to source.

Although, just so you're aware Gentoo does have binaries, they're pretty easy to setup-- the only difficult part about it is there are few GUI configuration tools... You're mostly always working in text files. :)

[LTS1287]

I'm slowly getting used to that with arch, lol. It uses BSD style init scripts to control most of the workings of the system. I haven't yet compiled anything from source but I should just to familiarize myself with it. I have to say that I've learned more about GNU/Linux with arch then I ever did with Ubuntu.

[AngeredKabar]

@LTS1287 I installed arch last week for the first time. I'm keeping it.  For others out there, ArchLinux isn't a binary only distro, they have a source compilation system that's closer to *BSD's ports than Gentoo's ebuild is.

[AngeredKabar]

@calebgray Binary packages are great if you just don't want to invest that much time compiling stuff from source. But yeah, bringing your own system up from almost nothing to exactly what you want it to be is an experience among experiences.

[LuxtherDefaul]

Linux is new world! Very good!!! Linux is new Life!

[mRipX]

supremmind, beryl already has the fire in closing the windows. I also like enlightenment, i run e16 on a 900MHz debian box whenever i need a window manager to do something :), it runs nice and smoothly considering it only has 128mb ram stick in it :P

[leodime]

Are you serious? Then it should do WONDERS on my 2.0 Ghz monocore with 1 gig of RAM.

[suprememind]

nice fire, i would like to get it in beryl

[LTS1287]

I think Beryl already has it. I have compiz fusion on Ubuntu and it has its own fire animation.

[calebgray]

You're right, Ubuntu comes with a fire animation on their windows. This happened to be a plugin for E17 at the time... The fire window effect hadn't come out yet. :D