Mt.10.28: "And do not be afraid of those who are killing (apokteino) the body, but are not able to kill (apokteino) the soul; but instead have awesome respect for the one able to destroy (apollumi) both soul (psuche) and body (soma) in the burning dump (ge'enna)."
But will God Apollumi both body and soul in Gehenna??
"For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was LOST (Apollumi)" (Matt. 18:11)!
Jesus came to save those VERY SOULS that will be Apollumi (Lost, DESTROYED) in Death!
Just kinda quickly touching on a subject you and Huckster were engaging in ... If you wanna see where the modern doctrine of hell was born, read Dante's Inferno aka "The Divine Comedy". The Catholic Church loved it so much, they practically canonized its "doctrine".
Well excuse me for not being studied up on Augustine. To be honest, I could care less for the guy. However, I do know that the Divine Comedy was very popular in Dante's time.
WfC, Since you were making claims about the 'modern' doctrine of Hell and its creation, I thought Augustine would have been very important to you. Re. Dante being poplar is irrelevant, because he got his ideas from those before him-(ie, Augustine). Btw. Augustine, got his views from those before him as well.
Platonism, the natural divinity of the soul. The idea that the human soul is by its very nature in some sense divine and co-eternal with God, studies have shown St. Augustine as a thoroughly representative Christian Platonist, in full accordance with other Christian Platonists of his time. The questuin is, is the soul eternal without .his gifts, without Christ, or only in Christ? Where do the wicked get their immortality if only God posesses it.
What, then, is the soul if it is not immortal, and what happens to it at death? The human soul is a combination of the breath of life and a body. Genesis 2:7 states, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [a body], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. A soul is a sentient being; that is, a being possessed of powers of sense-perception. There is nothing mysterious about this.
There was no spark of divinity infused into humanity. Man does not have a soul; man is a soul! If a person is a soul, what happens when that person dies? Simply speaking, the soul dies. Ezekiel 18:4, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Psalm 49:15 promises, But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave. And speaking of Jesus death, Isaiah 53:10 and 12 says, He hath poured out his soul unto death; thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.
immortality does not only belong to God and the resurrected Jesus Christ, but it has been offered as a reward to those who have been begotten by the Holy Spirit and who faithfully carry out a life of sacrifice. Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immorality, eternal life. Ezekiel 18:4, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Did God make a mistake in saying these things and souls do live on in torment forever or is the results eternal?
huckster, Augustine lacked one essential quality of the Platonist re. the soul-he argued against its preexistance..I don't the relevance to my comment. Btw, I wasn't defending him.
I am not 'perfect' just because I believe - but I am under the grace of God - which is something essential - being a good person who tries his best still falls short of the glory of God... standing for myself - before God - without the blood of Christ - is a sure way of insuring failure.
if i'm understanding you right, you have to be a good person who does his best isn't enough, you have to also bow down and kiss his feet and suck up to him as well or you will fail. chris, i don't want to be an arse kisser, is there another way?
Sure! If you want to look at it that way! I mean, Why not be humble? It's like going to a job every day and saying "OMGosh! I gotta bow down & kiss the bosses Feet today?" Rather than saying "Wow, I am grateful to have a job today & I get to recieve a paycheck!" I would say stop thinking about how Jesus is trying to "Punk You" by Bowing down and start looking at the benefits of salvation!
Christopher, "if they haven't been judged yet then how could they be in Hell which is a place of punishment". You have made a lingustic error and are confusing the English term now. But for the record, culturally Sheol, Avadon, Tsal Mavet (bet you didn't know this term), and Gehinom mean the same thing in Jewish thought at the time of Christ. I would caution you about saying authoritative linguistic statements without training.
freezing - 1) Shadow of Death? Why would I miss that one? 2) While Gehinom may have been related to Sheol at some point in Jewish understanding it did not mean a place of eternal suffering, did it? Thats what I was looking at, which is why the next video in the series is crucial. 3) Why caution me? Without making a statement I would not have heard your opinion or others on the matter. I think its great to hear these things... if I can find references for what you've said I'll make a video on it.
Tsal mavet, why would you miss it? The fact is that you DID miss:). In your translations the contextual meaning is read out and it is, as you did, mechanically translated stripped of its meaning. Yes, in the Judaism of the time, Gehinom and Sheol are a place of punishment and equivalent-the Talmud says this outright, and it is why Luke used 'Hades' as the place where the rich man is being punished-yes, punished, "being tormented" 16:23
You are also missing the fact that the meaning of Sheol changed from its OT meaning. Originally, it did not mean "hell", but the understanding of the term changed at the time of Jesus. Ie, the understanding of an afterlife, which the Torah was not concerned with, became an issue. In light of this, the 'hades' which Luke speaks of, should be understood as 'hell' properly and equivilant to Gehinom, another term whicih arose during the time.
At that time, in the teaching of that day, and Jesus is speaking very much in the understanding of the day, Sheol/Hades was a place of punishment, where as the righteous went to 'gan eden'.In light of this, and the context,Tartarus the place of demons, must also be understood in terms of this.Now, my point is, there is a real reason why translators rendered these words these way,and despite all those who like to look at the Greek with interlinear Bibles,it is not the same as actually studying.
I think the reason the translators of today render the all three words as Hell is tradition - but hey - you're presenting new info to me - and it will take some time to verify it and study it.
freezing - do you have references for these assertions? Its not that I doubt you - its that there is a lot of information coming at me and I need to filter it through sources and such to make sense of it. As I stated - everything I found concerning a Jewish 'hell' if you will - said it was a cleansing process and not an eternal punishment. Of course - I suppose there are differing sects within Judaism too...
It is in the Talmud, I will have to find it. Regarding Gehinom being a cleansing process, that is a modern idea and is reactionary against Xians-they will not be honest with you. "I think the reason the translators of today render the all three words as Hell is tradition"-reason must ask, where did they get this 'tradition' from, and above all, is it true?
I was being a little sarcastic about the Shadow of Death - but I don't think it refers to the issue at hand - maybe I'm mistaken? Is the punishment and torment of Gehinom and Sheol eternal hellfire? From what I read - it was a cleansing fire that would return the sinner to being reconciled to God - as I said I am not a Jewish scholar.
You make great points - but I can't see how you view 2 Peter 3:10-13 to have anything to do with the destruction of Jerusalem - to me it sounds like a global destruction replaced with a new globe - so to speak... but like I said - maybe there is a connection - but I don't see it as the sole explanation...
"the sea gave up the dead in it"- I remember being taught that this expression means those people who have disappeared and who have never been found. But Im not really sure.
Bottom line,all throughout the bible,the mention of hell is always in a very bad context.Worms,fire & such,so no matter where this goes,hell is a severe and tormenting place where many will spend their eternal life burning,the Lake of Fire is bad folks also.Don't water down this people,it's not a joke.
You walked into the study not thinking it would be this in depth, didn't ya Chris? lol, People wanna say that Jesus preached more about hell than anything else. I disagree, if anything He spoke most about Life and Death ... The day you announced you were doing this study I knew you were gonna be up to your neck in material. You could probably do 100 videos on this subject and still have more to talk about, just as Huckster lol
Take care bro, keep studying, and keep up the good work. GBU
Nathan - you ain't kidding! I still haven't looked at the 'eternity' of Hell, early church, pagan influences, etc etc... wow - so much on something so worthless... I mean - its not like anyone wants to go to hell no matter what it is...
Chris I could have told you from the very begining that your study would not effect your belief in a hell, a place where the wicked are tortured or tormented day and night for eternity. You will not change your mind. Even if an angel from God should tell you, you would not recognize it as truth. You seem to think Jesus himself believed in this pagan (greeks) belief. Because the translaters changed the words doesn't mean Jesus said those words. His warnings were clear and understood...cont
by the very people he was speaking to. They knew the scriptures(old testament) and they knew the prophecies of which Jesus spoke. Jesus would have to be changing the meanings of the very place he was warning about for the Jews to understand he was talking of a subterainian place where they would burn forever. They knew he was talking of their destruction as a nation. They knew thats what the prophets of old had fortold. You chris don't seem to be studying those aspects of Jesus' message... cont.
and are just trying to figure it out by what the words meant. The word hell was not even a word at the time of Jesus and the old english definition of it didn't mean what it means to you. Love ya man and hope you really do more than just a word search in your studies.
huck - if u're right - then there should be a time in Christian history where we clearly see the doctrine of Hell 'born' - and I'll get to it if it exists, but preliminary looks at the early church does show that they believed in eternal punishment too. So did they misunderstand Jesus too? Let me ask u - I am challenging my traditional beliefs - but have u truly challenged urs - or are u so convinced you can't? Are u so fixated on your definition of God that u can't see Him any other way?
chris some of the early church fathers believed in platonism....where did they get their belifs....could it have been what most believed...same as today, where did you get your beliefs? From people that taught them to you. listen close to the prophecies of our Lord. When asked where woll be the signs of thy coming and the end of the age(world) he snswered telling them about what? the destruction of Jerusalem. What was to happen at his coming, when was he coming to be? Have I questioned my cont.
I don't know how - but I do know that simply saying Jesus came only for Israel, and His words only pertained to Israel doesn't add up - there are far too many loose ends for this to be the case... additionally - I still have no clue where that leaves the world today in your view. I don't understand where that leaves the righteous (through faith) and the wicked - or how you would reconcile the book of Revelation to your view. I've read articles trying to accomplish this, but they all seem broken.
Revelation 21 depicts the passing of the old order of Christians persecuted to the new order of Christians enthroned in the new order described in Revelation 21-22, the heavenly reward of the martyrs. The judgment in Noahs day was typical of the judgment on Jerusalem in the first century. Both were escapable judgments. Jesus even paralleled the two judgments, Mt. 24.37 and foward. Both judgments took the wicked away, and not the righteous.
Both were world-wide events, because Jews from all over the world were in Jerusalem when it fell. This was because the city was besieged at the time of the Passover II pet 3::7: but the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. He spoke of the old order of Judaism.
Malachi foretold that Jerusalem was stored up for fire (chapters 3-4), as did John the Baptist (Mt. 3.10-11), and Jesus (Mt. 16.27-28, Mt. 24). God would not use a flood to destroy the order of Peters day. It would be burned out.
huckster that is amazing, because as a Hebrew speaking Jew I was taught that Gehinom is basically what the Christians say-and the Talmud backs this up. Please, enlighten me about my culture.
Actually Chris, Tartarus and Hades are Places in Greek (Hellenic) Mythology. Hades was divided into two Main places, Elysium (Paradise) and Tartarus (Punishment). The Jews may have "Borrowed" those ideas around Jesus time, but They are primarily Hellenic concepts.
Good stuff. Good comment at the end of the video. This is what I have been saying to myself. Pastor George also alluded to the same thing in his sermon.
I think THAT is the key point to all our research on the topic; to know WHY we believe what we believe and be able to explain it when opposition comes.
Good study Chris. I have posted the same vid response on my opinion of hell.
One thought though about the resurrection of the dead. It can also be viewed as ALL that are dead.Meaning that when anyone dies they go into "asleep" and then ALL are resurrected for judgment. Fire is often symbolic of purifying.
Mt.10.28: "And do not be afraid of those who are killing (apokteino) the body, but are not able to kill (apokteino) the soul; but instead have awesome respect for the one able to destroy (apollumi) both soul (psuche) and body (soma) in the burning dump (ge'enna)."
But will God Apollumi both body and soul in Gehenna??
"For the Son of man is come to SAVE that which was LOST (Apollumi)" (Matt. 18:11)!
Jesus came to save those VERY SOULS that will be Apollumi (Lost, DESTROYED) in Death!
EmeiBaguazhang 2 years ago
Hades and tartarus are from Greek mythology, before Christianity.
Pfsif 2 years ago
thanks for that
solarisgalrocks 2 years ago
this vid gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. It's nice to see someone who can actually attain a faith that can see...
lioninchains 2 years ago
you deffinitely follow your own word in digging deep...
lioninchains 2 years ago
B RAVO!!! I hope you are a teacher in your church....
lioninchains 2 years ago
Just kinda quickly touching on a subject you and Huckster were engaging in ... If you wanna see where the modern doctrine of hell was born, read Dante's Inferno aka "The Divine Comedy". The Catholic Church loved it so much, they practically canonized its "doctrine".
WaitingforChrist 2 years ago
much more like todays beliefs than biblical teachings
huckster271 2 years ago
Augustine lived long before Dante, your statement is completly falicious.
freezingstill 2 years ago
Well excuse me for not being studied up on Augustine. To be honest, I could care less for the guy. However, I do know that the Divine Comedy was very popular in Dante's time.
WaitingforChrist 2 years ago
WfC, Since you were making claims about the 'modern' doctrine of Hell and its creation, I thought Augustine would have been very important to you. Re. Dante being poplar is irrelevant, because he got his ideas from those before him-(ie, Augustine). Btw. Augustine, got his views from those before him as well.
freezingstill 2 years ago
Platonism, the natural divinity of the soul. The idea that the human soul is by its very nature in some sense divine and co-eternal with God, studies have shown St. Augustine as a thoroughly representative Christian Platonist, in full accordance with other Christian Platonists of his time. The questuin is, is the soul eternal without .his gifts, without Christ, or only in Christ? Where do the wicked get their immortality if only God posesses it.
huckster271 2 years ago
What, then, is the soul if it is not immortal, and what happens to it at death? The human soul is a combination of the breath of life and a body. Genesis 2:7 states, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [a body], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. A soul is a sentient being; that is, a being possessed of powers of sense-perception. There is nothing mysterious about this.
huckster271 2 years ago
There was no spark of divinity infused into humanity. Man does not have a soul; man is a soul! If a person is a soul, what happens when that person dies? Simply speaking, the soul dies. Ezekiel 18:4, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Psalm 49:15 promises, But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave. And speaking of Jesus death, Isaiah 53:10 and 12 says, He hath poured out his soul unto death; thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.
huckster271 2 years ago
immortality does not only belong to God and the resurrected Jesus Christ, but it has been offered as a reward to those who have been begotten by the Holy Spirit and who faithfully carry out a life of sacrifice. Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immorality, eternal life. Ezekiel 18:4, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Did God make a mistake in saying these things and souls do live on in torment forever or is the results eternal?
huckster271 2 years ago
huckster, Augustine lacked one essential quality of the Platonist re. the soul-he argued against its preexistance..I don't the relevance to my comment. Btw, I wasn't defending him.
freezingstill 2 years ago
chris are you nothing without god?
emuholic 2 years ago
emu - without God I would be a sinner trying to stand on his own failing standards... like anyone else without God.
christoferL 2 years ago
why do you need to believe it? what does it matter if you're not perfect, as long as you know you're not a bad person and try your best?
emuholic 2 years ago
I am not 'perfect' just because I believe - but I am under the grace of God - which is something essential - being a good person who tries his best still falls short of the glory of God... standing for myself - before God - without the blood of Christ - is a sure way of insuring failure.
christoferL 2 years ago
if i'm understanding you right, you have to be a good person who does his best isn't enough, you have to also bow down and kiss his feet and suck up to him as well or you will fail. chris, i don't want to be an arse kisser, is there another way?
emuholic 2 years ago
Its only arse kissing if you really don't want to do it - it is a JOY to worship at His feet.
christoferL 2 years ago
please don't make me, his feet smell so bad
there has to be another way
emuholic 2 years ago
Sure! If you want to look at it that way! I mean, Why not be humble? It's like going to a job every day and saying "OMGosh! I gotta bow down & kiss the bosses Feet today?" Rather than saying "Wow, I am grateful to have a job today & I get to recieve a paycheck!" I would say stop thinking about how Jesus is trying to "Punk You" by Bowing down and start looking at the benefits of salvation!
Dvader73 2 years ago
thanks
huckster271 2 years ago
amen
huckster271 2 years ago
Psalms 118
Wisdomcalls1 2 years ago
his love endures forever. amen
huckster271 2 years ago
Christopher, "if they haven't been judged yet then how could they be in Hell which is a place of punishment". You have made a lingustic error and are confusing the English term now. But for the record, culturally Sheol, Avadon, Tsal Mavet (bet you didn't know this term), and Gehinom mean the same thing in Jewish thought at the time of Christ. I would caution you about saying authoritative linguistic statements without training.
freezingstill 2 years ago
freezing - 1) Shadow of Death? Why would I miss that one? 2) While Gehinom may have been related to Sheol at some point in Jewish understanding it did not mean a place of eternal suffering, did it? Thats what I was looking at, which is why the next video in the series is crucial. 3) Why caution me? Without making a statement I would not have heard your opinion or others on the matter. I think its great to hear these things... if I can find references for what you've said I'll make a video on it.
christoferL 2 years ago
Tsal mavet, why would you miss it? The fact is that you DID miss:). In your translations the contextual meaning is read out and it is, as you did, mechanically translated stripped of its meaning. Yes, in the Judaism of the time, Gehinom and Sheol are a place of punishment and equivalent-the Talmud says this outright, and it is why Luke used 'Hades' as the place where the rich man is being punished-yes, punished, "being tormented" 16:23
freezingstill 2 years ago
You are also missing the fact that the meaning of Sheol changed from its OT meaning. Originally, it did not mean "hell", but the understanding of the term changed at the time of Jesus. Ie, the understanding of an afterlife, which the Torah was not concerned with, became an issue. In light of this, the 'hades' which Luke speaks of, should be understood as 'hell' properly and equivilant to Gehinom, another term whicih arose during the time.
freezingstill 2 years ago
At that time, in the teaching of that day, and Jesus is speaking very much in the understanding of the day, Sheol/Hades was a place of punishment, where as the righteous went to 'gan eden'.In light of this, and the context,Tartarus the place of demons, must also be understood in terms of this.Now, my point is, there is a real reason why translators rendered these words these way,and despite all those who like to look at the Greek with interlinear Bibles,it is not the same as actually studying.
freezingstill 2 years ago
I think the reason the translators of today render the all three words as Hell is tradition - but hey - you're presenting new info to me - and it will take some time to verify it and study it.
christoferL 2 years ago
freezing - do you have references for these assertions? Its not that I doubt you - its that there is a lot of information coming at me and I need to filter it through sources and such to make sense of it. As I stated - everything I found concerning a Jewish 'hell' if you will - said it was a cleansing process and not an eternal punishment. Of course - I suppose there are differing sects within Judaism too...
christoferL 2 years ago
It is in the Talmud, I will have to find it. Regarding Gehinom being a cleansing process, that is a modern idea and is reactionary against Xians-they will not be honest with you. "I think the reason the translators of today render the all three words as Hell is tradition"-reason must ask, where did they get this 'tradition' from, and above all, is it true?
freezingstill 2 years ago
I was being a little sarcastic about the Shadow of Death - but I don't think it refers to the issue at hand - maybe I'm mistaken? Is the punishment and torment of Gehinom and Sheol eternal hellfire? From what I read - it was a cleansing fire that would return the sinner to being reconciled to God - as I said I am not a Jewish scholar.
christoferL 2 years ago
You make great points - but I can't see how you view 2 Peter 3:10-13 to have anything to do with the destruction of Jerusalem - to me it sounds like a global destruction replaced with a new globe - so to speak... but like I said - maybe there is a connection - but I don't see it as the sole explanation...
christoferL 2 years ago
"the sea gave up the dead in it"- I remember being taught that this expression means those people who have disappeared and who have never been found. But Im not really sure.
Excellent commentary, as usual, Chris!
solarisgalrocks 2 years ago
Bottom line,all throughout the bible,the mention of hell is always in a very bad context.Worms,fire & such,so no matter where this goes,hell is a severe and tormenting place where many will spend their eternal life burning,the Lake of Fire is bad folks also.Don't water down this people,it's not a joke.
Thanks for the study.
DigEzekiel 2 years ago
hoping - thats something that will appear in the next vid for sure...
christoferL 2 years ago
You walked into the study not thinking it would be this in depth, didn't ya Chris? lol, People wanna say that Jesus preached more about hell than anything else. I disagree, if anything He spoke most about Life and Death ... The day you announced you were doing this study I knew you were gonna be up to your neck in material. You could probably do 100 videos on this subject and still have more to talk about, just as Huckster lol
Take care bro, keep studying, and keep up the good work. GBU
WaitingforChrist 2 years ago
Nathan - you ain't kidding! I still haven't looked at the 'eternity' of Hell, early church, pagan influences, etc etc... wow - so much on something so worthless... I mean - its not like anyone wants to go to hell no matter what it is...
christoferL 2 years ago
Chris I could have told you from the very begining that your study would not effect your belief in a hell, a place where the wicked are tortured or tormented day and night for eternity. You will not change your mind. Even if an angel from God should tell you, you would not recognize it as truth. You seem to think Jesus himself believed in this pagan (greeks) belief. Because the translaters changed the words doesn't mean Jesus said those words. His warnings were clear and understood...cont
huckster271 2 years ago
by the very people he was speaking to. They knew the scriptures(old testament) and they knew the prophecies of which Jesus spoke. Jesus would have to be changing the meanings of the very place he was warning about for the Jews to understand he was talking of a subterainian place where they would burn forever. They knew he was talking of their destruction as a nation. They knew thats what the prophets of old had fortold. You chris don't seem to be studying those aspects of Jesus' message... cont.
huckster271 2 years ago
and are just trying to figure it out by what the words meant. The word hell was not even a word at the time of Jesus and the old english definition of it didn't mean what it means to you. Love ya man and hope you really do more than just a word search in your studies.
huckster271 2 years ago
huck - if u're right - then there should be a time in Christian history where we clearly see the doctrine of Hell 'born' - and I'll get to it if it exists, but preliminary looks at the early church does show that they believed in eternal punishment too. So did they misunderstand Jesus too? Let me ask u - I am challenging my traditional beliefs - but have u truly challenged urs - or are u so convinced you can't? Are u so fixated on your definition of God that u can't see Him any other way?
christoferL 2 years ago
chris some of the early church fathers believed in platonism....where did they get their belifs....could it have been what most believed...same as today, where did you get your beliefs? From people that taught them to you. listen close to the prophecies of our Lord. When asked where woll be the signs of thy coming and the end of the age(world) he snswered telling them about what? the destruction of Jerusalem. What was to happen at his coming, when was he coming to be? Have I questioned my cont.
huckster271 2 years ago
beliefs...how do you think I got to this point?
huckster271 2 years ago
I don't know how - but I do know that simply saying Jesus came only for Israel, and His words only pertained to Israel doesn't add up - there are far too many loose ends for this to be the case... additionally - I still have no clue where that leaves the world today in your view. I don't understand where that leaves the righteous (through faith) and the wicked - or how you would reconcile the book of Revelation to your view. I've read articles trying to accomplish this, but they all seem broken.
christoferL 2 years ago
Revelation 21 depicts the passing of the old order of Christians persecuted to the new order of Christians enthroned in the new order described in Revelation 21-22, the heavenly reward of the martyrs. The judgment in Noahs day was typical of the judgment on Jerusalem in the first century. Both were escapable judgments. Jesus even paralleled the two judgments, Mt. 24.37 and foward. Both judgments took the wicked away, and not the righteous.
huckster271 2 years ago
Both were world-wide events, because Jews from all over the world were in Jerusalem when it fell. This was because the city was besieged at the time of the Passover II pet 3::7: but the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. He spoke of the old order of Judaism.
huckster271 2 years ago
Malachi foretold that Jerusalem was stored up for fire (chapters 3-4), as did John the Baptist (Mt. 3.10-11), and Jesus (Mt. 16.27-28, Mt. 24). God would not use a flood to destroy the order of Peters day. It would be burned out.
huckster271 2 years ago
huckster that is amazing, because as a Hebrew speaking Jew I was taught that Gehinom is basically what the Christians say-and the Talmud backs this up. Please, enlighten me about my culture.
freezingstill 2 years ago
Great study Chris, I'm really enjoying it bro! Keep it coming, God bless you
TheWoodsofJordan 2 years ago
Actually Chris, Tartarus and Hades are Places in Greek (Hellenic) Mythology. Hades was divided into two Main places, Elysium (Paradise) and Tartarus (Punishment). The Jews may have "Borrowed" those ideas around Jesus time, but They are primarily Hellenic concepts.
dumoktheartist 2 years ago
I know the origins of the words - but I don't think they borrowed the concepts.
christoferL 2 years ago
Good stuff. Good comment at the end of the video. This is what I have been saying to myself. Pastor George also alluded to the same thing in his sermon.
I think THAT is the key point to all our research on the topic; to know WHY we believe what we believe and be able to explain it when opposition comes.
standfastinthefaith 2 years ago
Good study Chris. I have posted the same vid response on my opinion of hell.
One thought though about the resurrection of the dead. It can also be viewed as ALL that are dead.Meaning that when anyone dies they go into "asleep" and then ALL are resurrected for judgment. Fire is often symbolic of purifying.
ModernDeism 2 years ago