O ur awesome. U found a pun a ran with it. So clever. So ur not only a FAG, spelled with an F, you're also a homophobe. Get a life and go out and try to interact with real people. God wut a loser.
Hey bill, there's a particularly nasty vid in the related videos showing some idiot throwing live mice into a bathtub with a bunch of ferrets. Have you seen it? I think it's a lot worse than what some snake owners do.
well mice arent really that smart they will go right up next to the snake and even up to its mouth im sure they arent is sheer terror of whats going on, they dont even know what going on
@billflowers =) I don't agree in live feeding ethier. But Bill, you gotta know that snakes also have to eat. And you could look at it this way...you know those little fuzzys, mice, rats and pinkies you feed snakes? They are all killed by being frozen on purpose. IT's tough. It is how it is :/ but you gotta know that the snake needs to eat.. . and you ethier feed him a live animal, or an animal that was killed on purpose to feed the snake/rodent eater.
@rseagles14 Over here they are gassed before freezing. In the late 90s a snake farm in Tasmania was taken to court and ended up closing down because it was live feeding for entertainment.
@billflowers wow. I didn't know that. Hey dude, I was wondering. What did the blood python bite feel like? I was bit by a central american boa...is there a resemlence in the feeling of those two bites?
@billflowers ah ok. Hey, could you give me a blood python pet owner guide? how thick do they get? Im not worried about humidity, as I own a brazilian rainbow boa
You say it is cruel to feed live mice/rats to snakes, but it is just as cruel to slam there heads on the table or wall first. Its natural for snakes to hunt, in i prefer to give them the the chance to hunt! It's not that i dont care about the rats nad mice, I have them as pets to. It's just more cruel to prekill them. I have NEVER fed my snakes prekilled food because they WILL NOT eat it. I don't dissagree with everything you say, just some of it. BTW nice tiger snake.
@ngb187 No it isn't. The animal dies instantly if you know what you're doing. And hunt? You're pretty much giving it to the snake, it doesn't find the animal on its own, it's in a stupid enclosure. That's not hunting.
@RyanRummy Also I guess you dont really know the meaning of "voraphilia". "Voraphilia" or " Vorarephilia" : A fetish in wich one fantasizes about being eaten alive or eating another creature alive. ( sometimes known as phagophilia). The most common type of vore is "soft vore", being swallowed or swallowing whole with no bloodshed. There is also the less common "hard vore" which involves the tearing and chewing of flesh.
@RyanRummy Other types of vore include macrophilia and microphilia, in which one character involved in the vore is larger or smaller than normal. Many might associate vore with cannibalism; however, most voraphiles do not favor canniblism. Vore is an imaginary fetish; that is, it is impossible to perform in real life in the way most fantasize, unlike most cannibalism.
@RyanRummy Also included with vore is sometimes the "furry" community: people who are interested in usually anthromorphic animals ( humanized creatures). With animals as characters in vore fantasies, predation is natural and therefor somewhat more realistic.
@RyanRummy 1. Vore (n) pl. vore: The original definition of this term was a nickname for vorarephilia ( hint: often misspelled vorephilia or voreaphili), derived from latin "vorare," meaning "to devour" or "to swallow," and from Acient Greek "philia," meaning "love" or "friend." The actual word "vorarephilia" itself refers to a paraphilia closely related to endosomatophilia, a paraphilia in which one derives sexual pleasure from being consumed or coverd by anything,
@RyanRummy but vorarephilia is different in that the particular person deriving the sexual pleasure may be either an observer, a victom, or a predator, not just a victom, and in that the act must be or is preferably between two creatures who are at least remotely alive.It is sometimes (but not necessarily) consensual. There are various subjects, but the most common form referred to as "soft vore,'in which one of the two participants is swallowed whole or alive by the other.
@RyanRummy This fantasy may but does not always include digestion. The current definition of the term "vore" is usally used to refer to this paraphilia, but is sometimes used to describe any small online community of individuals who depict the content of this paraphillia with some other emotion behind the work besides sexual motivation.
@ngb187 What the hell are you talking about? I never mentioned vore to you, I know perfectly well what it means. Seems like you bypassed everything I said to you and went completely off-tangent.
@RyanRummy In your video at 3:50 to 4:05 you mention vore and phagophilia. You said that you were going to get a lot of bad comments, some people would call you a hippie or gay or a phag so you started off with vore and phagophilia trying to explain it. Then you said for all those people you were just going to go ahead and call them phags for short. Well I personally dont like name calling or the use of foul language. My point being if you are going to use a certain term, use it correctly.
@ngb187 Phag, it's slang. Just cause it sounds like Fag, that's all the more fun. You should only be offended if you 'get off' on seeing things suffer. I don't cyber-bully any one person, but I will take on groups of people I see as wrong. Don't like name calling or the use of foul language? best you get off the internet or lighting the fuck up.
Thank You so much for that I totally agree with you in every way and have never fed my snakes live prey as I feel sorry for the rat to come face to face with an animal that has over 200 teeth or a set of fangs containing a dangerous toxin
Keep up the great work mate and hopefully all those losers will see right one day and just knock the food as it is still fresh just out for the count
(cont.) After that I learned to knock them out on my own, and if they weren't completely dead, the snake made short work of them. I hated feeding out rats though because they're really cute and make better pets than other rodents.
I remember the first time I had a snake that was big enough to eat adult rats and I didn't want to chance the rat hurting my snake. They took the rat in the back and I heard a loud noise, and then they brought me a twitching bag. I made some comment about it not seeming dead, and he was like, oh, yeah it's dead. So then I had a maimed rat on my hands and didn't know if it was awake and in pain and suffering more than if I'd just fed it to the snake.
Just because somebody feeds live doesn't mean that they don't care about the mice and rats suffering. Some people just don't like killing things. I wacked mice and rats before feeding them to my snakes so that they wouldn't get bitten, but it's not fun and takes some getting used to. I never had a problem getting snakes to eat freshly wacked rodents, but I never tried frozen.
Live feeding is okay it would be worse to feed a snake frozen mice as its boaring to watch them eat somthing dead and because the freezeing chemical cant be good i had a bearded dragon that was alive for 15 years and i gave her live baby mice she was happy and healthy.
@BrokenBonesSk8Vids Please explain how it is natural to keep a snake in a cage and giving him domesticated live mice or rats/rabbits/cats etc. Would you feed him a kitten? Its natural for a snake to eat a small kitten is he is hungry and sees one in the wild.
Would you enjoy watching the lions at the zoo being fed with live zebras? I sure hope not.
@TheAhuitzotl ok mr.smart-fuck that may not be natural but its natural instinct is to hunt
take that away from the animal and what does it have left to do? animal die in the wild everyday its part of life
and btw i hate kittens cats suck dogs are the way to go. and yea thatd be sick to see a zebra being hunted by a lion is it okay to feed a live cricket to a lizard like i do? ur ganna say yea cause you dont give a flying fuck about isects right? but there alive too.
isn't the G in Phage pronounced like a J? If so that would make it faj ophilia, which is quite funny cos over here a fadge is something that er... resembles a kipper that a fag wouldn't be interested in.
thank you for this i have just spent the last hour trying to explain to the live feeding lobby that live is not allways the way... but to be honest i think they are a lost cause . i have kept and bred snakes for years with only the very very rare ocasion had to feed live.. i recon the majority of live feeding (exhbitionists )are not true snake lovers but wanna be snake handlers thank you again its so refreshing keep up the good work
lol do wild always kill they're prey before they devour them, lets ask bear attack victims with several big chucks missing cause bears will usually begin eating while the animal still strugging
they do use it ( when it comes to live feeding ).. whatever you are gonna feed it is'nt going to walk up to the snake and die.. constrictor snakes use surprise... and since there wouldn't be cover for the snake inside whatever you have them in they, tend to stay real still.. till they strike.. how is that not hunting??
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I was feeding my 4 week old (now a few month) Bredli live geckoes As his first few feeds and about to change to rats! I dont like watching him kill them but i like watching him swallow them lol. Thank you for enlightening me to change my ways! I don't like feeding thawed food to snakes but freshly dead I won't mind. Plus live
LIVE FEEDING IS NOT WRONG!!! IS IT WRONG FOR THEM TO EAT A LIVE ANIMAL IN THE WILD?? SOME EAT FROZEN, SOME ONLY EAT LIVE, THE ONES THAT EAT LIVE STILL HAVE THEIR PREDATOR INSTINCT IN THEM... TO FORCE THEM TO CHANGE HOW THEY EAT IS WRONG, IF A SNAKE ONLY EATS LIVE AND YOU TRY TO FEED IT FROZEN... IT WONT EAT THE FUCKING THING!!!
@billflowers I dont have a snake... but I believe in NATURAL ORDER... what do you feed lizards??? CRICKETS!! and yet you dont see a " save the crickets " campaign do you??? live feeding can also be called "THE FOOD CHAIN"
@syn420951 Those who do keep snakes take them out of that natural order. The snake keepers kill mites & ticks. In nature mites & ticks are part of the natural order, in an enclosure they can kill the snake. So judgments by the keeper have to be made. You can't say crickets and mice are the same. worms and chimps are not the same, neither are humans and flies. So judgments are made. I draw the line somewhere in the inverts. I will swat a fly but won't kill anything will a backbone for pleasure.
@billflowers you may take the snake out of the wild, but the wild doesnt leave the snake, snakes dont kill for pleasure, they do to EAT.. MOST who feed a snakes live dont do it for pleasure.. they do it cuz thats how the snake wants to eat.. and if you force feed they CAN regurgitate it back up..also what you are saying is that it is ok to kill and freeze a mouse and sell them?? they dont have freezers in the wild..
@syn420951 There is a market in the pet shops for snakes that are live feeders. I have kept & studied snakes since the late 80s and have found that adult snake from the wild are in most cases keen to take dead food if you warm it up and jiggle it about in front of them.
Still comes back to the tick argument, snake keepers don't let ticks feed on their snakes even if it is natural, they step in because it would be cruel to the snake for 'nature' to run it's course.
@billflowers "keen to take dead food if you warm it up and jiggle it about in front of them." which makes it look ALIVE!!!! argument INVALID!!! you dont like live feeding cuz you dont like to see it... it DOESNT make it wrong, no matter what a mouse has to DIE to feed it...
@syn420951 Do you mean to tell me that everyone who claims that snakes will only eat live are just not feeding them correctly? That is insulting the intelligence of all snake keepers.
A dead animal can be made look as if it's alive but feels no fear or pain and that is at the heart of my argument.
@billflowers "Do you mean to tell me that everyone who claims that snakes will only eat live are just not feeding them correctly?" WTF are you talking about??
"A dead animal can be made look as if it's alive but feels no fear or pain " so you basically say that when a wild snake hunts its a "bad thing"??
@FahShizzIe and I know that, all I am saying is that some snakes retain the hunting INSTINCT, and to try and change that is going against THAT snakes instinct.. would you like it if someone forced you to eat something you didnt want to eat??
@syn420951 I can't speak for the snake but having my prey surrounded by walls where it cannot escape would not be very stimulating. As Bill showed in the video it is not hard to trick a snake into thinking an animal is still alive. He is still getting the same nutritional value from the animal so he would be satisfied. Why do something that is not necessary? If my cats kill something outside that is ok because the prey could ESCAPE. I didn't force the creature into certain death.
@billflowers so you would rather FORCE a snake to change its INSTINCT... as I said before, SOME snakes dont take to pre dead, CUZ IT STILL RETAINED ITS HUNTING INSTINCT!!!!!
and idk why you keep bringing up ticks and things like that?? I NEVER SAID ANYTHING about them, yes they may feed off of the snake and can hurt it, but thats if you dont take care of the snake...
@billflowers but has no relevance to what we are talking about, what does ticks have to do with live feeding??? i am pretty sure that the store that sells the feeder mice/rats wouldn't sell anything that will harm the snake, which would include feeder mice/rats with ticks..
@syn420951 It's not wrong for them to eat live animals in the wild, BUT in the wild the prey creature also has a chance to escape. IMO if something can be done humanely, it should.
I find snakes fascinating, but completely horrible. They have terrified me from a very young age yet I still watch people on YouTube like yourself who devote their time to explaining them and their tendencies. I tip my hat to you and your viewpoint and I like how you have presented it. You don't abhor live feeding outright, but your personal stance is that it is wrong (which I completely agree by the way). And again I agree, once we take an animal out of the wild, things are no longer "natural"
I felt the same about live feeding, until i got my own snake. I refused to feed it live, even though the shop i bought it from advised it. It never ate, i would move prey in front of it's nose, even warm it up but it would not. I don't know about all breeds, but mine was very much an ambush predator and it would not take dead food. I kept replacing it's dead food but it never went for it. The poor thing starved to death because i felt i was above nature. I will never make that mistake again
@Smegoff84 You miss the point, snakes arn't picky, they act on instinct. My snake was a sand boa, an ambush hunter, unless it's prey ran past it's nose it wouldn't see it as food. We have to stop pushing our morals on snakes, they don't have morals. I learnt this the hard way, i only posted a reply here so that other pet owners won't lose a beloved pet because think they can talk a snake out of it's instincts. If you don't like live feeding then buy a scavenger species, or don't buy a snake.
@OchysKiral Snakes are also scavengers too, that can also be fed pre-killed. Live feeding can pose a dangerous risk - we're pushing our morals on the snake for the better of the snake. The snake is in captivity, not in the wild. The life expectancy of a snake in the wild is considerably lower because of this, plus the fact that it can get disease from ticks and mites (something which our morals control in captivity).
Said instincts are useless in captivity, they have their food handed to them!
@Smegoff84 Not all snakes scavenge, trust me on that. But as to instincts allow me to use an example, have you ever had a cat? They are fed,but many cats will still hunt, and they are smarter than snakes, smart enough to understand that they will be fed every day. Live feeding gives a snake stimulation, the lack of which is considered cruelty. Admittedly snakes don't require as much stimulation as mammals but they still get bored. Also, unless you pick poor prey, live feeding poses no risk.
@OchysKiral Ridiculous. In Australia and the UK, live feeding is illegal - yet the snakes are perfectly fine. There are other ways you can stimulate them. And if you really think live feeding poses no risk, go to one of the major snake forums and find a thread called "Welcome to the Live Pile". No reputable snake breeder or expert recommends feeding live.
@OchysKiral You have had a bad experience with a snake that wouldn't eat for you. I suggest that you should put that behind you and get a snake that will eat frozen/thawed food. I believe a lot of the problems start with the pet store.
@billflowers Look, I can appreciate your point of view. I honestly wonder at the morality of keeping pets as a whole. I just try to make my pets habitats as close to their natural one as possible. I think animals should live as nature intended, so should i ever get anouther snake I wouldn't pick a sand boa, I would pick one that did scavenge. Though i still feel that should anyone own an animal that solely feeds live in the wild then that is what they should be fed. I chose to not own one.
Why should we deny the natural behavior of an animal because we feel uncomfortable with the particular anthropomorphic qualities we've given to another animal? To me, that seems worse than allowing a natural process to continue without trying to force nature to change to our will.
@Socinus In nature a snake can handle a few ticks, ticks come and go off the snake, in an enclosure ticks all attack the one host and will kill it. Good snake keepers rid their reptiles of parasites. Enclosures are not nature, they are a human imitation of what humans think nature is. Which isn't wrong, but when dealing with life, most humans should apply ethics or question why keep animals in the first place.
Whack my knees with a baton? Is that the best you can come up with you Australian hippy faggot? If a bullet right in-between the eyes is what you're looking for, come over and just try confiscating my snake, LOL
@NewYorkFlavour You're so stupid you don't even know what a hippy means. Hippies use non-violent means, hitting someone's knees with a baton isn't what you'd call 'non-violent'. Good luck reaching for your gun with two broken knees, lol. Stupid gun-toting rednecked sadistic fuck. You don't deserve snakes.
Super video ! I aggree 100% with everything you say. I keep mice as pets. They are loving, affectionate, aware and almost as intelligent as small dogs. I train my mice to do tricks and they are very bonded to me. They are totally capable of feeling fear, terror and pain. It should be as unacceptable to feed live mice to snakes (spiders, fish, lizards etc.) as it would be to feed live puppies and kittens to snakes.
@petgirl55 This question keeps coming up, I don't think insects are as aware as vertebrates, They breed by the hundreds and have short life spans. In nature they are food for so many animals which is why they breed in high numbers. Feeding them to lizards, birds or frogs it is all over very fast. So it is up to what you feel okay with.
@billflowers ur a joke! so if my chinese water dragon can kill a mouse faster then a cockroach is okay? im glad u dont make he regulations in the word~!
I could not agree with you more! And your statements are obviously, absolutely true. No matter who/what you are you will EVENTUALLY scavenge! No human or animal would be dumb enough to say "Well, I'm either going to get my preferred food in the preffered mannor I like to recieve, or I just won't eat, I don't care if it kills me or not." Your obviously a very educated animal/wild life enthusiast! Keep making videos! Lol the phag segment is an absolute crack up!
I am sick to death of the perverts on YT that live feed, the fact that they set the slow agonizing death of the small animal to deth metal music and laugh and glaot over its suffering proves that they are nothing but a disgrace to humanity
terror and fear is part of life we all experince levels of it, i do see ppl feed live mice to reptiles that shouldnt have them because there not used to killing them. my snakes and reptiles hve always been fed liveand kill very very quick.
so i guess if we watch animals hunting on discorvery channel we are fags? its not that we enjoy it but i like being exposed to things like this because it strenghthens ur mind and its very interesting i dont smile and start choken my money .....my feeding are more humane then americans are in middle eastern countries.
man you HILARIOUS!i should give the mouse a sharp knock on the head to kill it?!?!?!?! yea.....these mice come from a fukn pet store they are not raised in the wild with predators. i not saying they dont have there defensive senses but they are not aware of whats going on. i feed an amazon tree boa and pacman frog and water dragons live. the mice crawl on them like there alog because there not aware of the danger becuase they have no experience with predators , dont exagurate
:40 seconds yes they are slaves. think about what a pet does for us. they sit where we want eat when we tell them , go where we allow them,..... they are slaves
@milldabeast519 You sure are a tad bit of a fucking idiot. In a way, we are actually their slaves. We work hard to feed and take care of them, we are the slaves. However we are repaid equally or more so by the enjoyment of a pet. I don't feel we should domesticate anymore animals, because the day we go extinct, so do they, quite cruel. But it is our duty to take care of the animals we have already domesticated!
@ValkyereHowie cleary your the idiot if u think we are there slavese. go look at the definition. we are the boss, what ever we says goes. if we are not satisfied with the enjoyment or job there doing we can get rid of them .u work hard to feed and take care ofyour pets? working one day amonth for the money i need for them and maybe another 10 hour shift on maintenence a month isnt hard to me.but then again i have workd real jobs before. extincted?LOLOLO
@ValkyereHowie actually there are animals that we have domesticated and if we didnt do that in the first plce they would be extinct, the day we go extinct the last thing u should worry about is snakes and beardies cus they will never survive if we cant u fool.
@milldabeast519 Well then I guess they were meant to go extinct by the process of evolution. Sure it will be sad the day we go extinct and they do too, but atleast the one's that we saved as a species were not meant to survive in the first place.
so what about fisherman using live bait u gon hate on all them to? i would love to see the goverment put a law on using live fish on hooks as bait or other. ppl use live mice as bait and frogs and worm ect. why is there so much focus on snake feedings?
i athe only thing i will say to this is that then is it wrong that a snake in the wild eats live food? no so there is nothing wrong with it its the way of life
wow this is the first intelligent snake owner i've seen on youtube....glad to see you're a well educated man. people that post their live feeding of rabbits all seem to be just call me their universal uneducated word "fag" when i tell them its wrong.
@905Justin When people say "FAG" it saids a lot about them, like they think it's an insult. So they wouldn't like to be called that, they are afraid of being called that. They are worried that people will think they are homosexual.
For me it is an empty insult. I'm not a policeman so calling me cop or pig doesn't effect me. I'm not a fireman & I don't give a stuff if someone calls me that. I'm not homosexual so calling me fag or gay? I can't see the insult.
@billflowers i don't take it as an insult either, i just find it funny. it shows their lack of vocabulary and how they have to result to childish words like "fag"
@905Justin wow are u ? nbdy really cares about other ppls opinion , maybe u should actually do somthn. if its illegal then do somthn ,cruise on feeding telling people there mean bad ppl animal cruelty blablablabl,its wrong? well maybe but we do lots of things that are wrong. are world is run wrong. i dont think posting a video of a snkae feeding is any different then watching an episode of cops when the unleash there dogs on unarmed ppl becuase they didnt lay down fasxt enough.
Sorry, but if my reptile doesn't want to eat anything other than live food, then that's all he's going to get. Not your place in the world to say whether or not it's right to feed live.
And who's to say people enjoy watching it? I feed my BP live because its the only thing she'll eat. I don't enjoy it. But I have to do it or else she'll die.
How much "terror" do you really think goes on in those little brains of theirs? You're comparing rodent emotions and actions with human emotions and actions.
I would also support the notion that it's cruel to use other live animals as feed. There's no doubt that even small mammals are intelligent, sensitive creatures. Using live animals as feed is stressful and cruel to both predator and prey. The predator is at terrible risk to suffer injury from the prey. Even reptiles that eat crickets can suffer fatal dammage in the consumption of their prey especially female crickets w ovipositors.
I agree that the insults should be cast at the sadists.
Will not call names, and respect your view points. However, when having venomous snakes as pets, I am strongly in favor of feeding live prey. Why? Because it fine tunes the reptile when released. Having Ms. Gadsden from a neonate, one button to over 5' long and 12 rattles. I release her this past summer in North Texas. Interesting she Never struck unless hungry. Had a rat enclosed over a week, had to remove rat, because she was not hungry. On all other occasions she struck, and ate all kills.
If you honestly think that we should do what we think is right than please leave it on our conscience. I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with live feedins but again, I think it should be up to the person. Remember: Humans are superior to animals.
i'm right there with ya, man. i breed mice/rats to feed my snake collection. but i do feel horrible about killing them. even though i put mine in a gas chamber and kill them in less than 3 sec. which to me is less painful than potentially being strangled for over a minute. my friend's python even started eating a rat and he came to after he was halfway down the snakes mouth. poor thing must have been terrified :/
feeding live can be acceptable if in an environmentally appropriate manner AND is done so out of respect and appreciation. some animals simply wont eat frozen food, but that doesnt stop people from "tease feeding" to get them to eat it anyway.
there are many videos on youtube that depict live feeding as spectacle only (no education value whatsoever) they exploit predatory behaviour for entertainment's sake. feeding a snapping turtle live rats over live fish is just roman holiday.
1. Rodents in an enclosure to not feel fear or terror even when they know they're in with a snake. They're too stupid. I've seen rats walk right up to my pet python and too their rightful fate.
2. No snake scavenges. That is a lie. All snakes are pure predators that only eat prey that they themselves have killed. Snakes never scavenge carcasses, ever.
3. I enjoy watching my snake stalk, kill and consume her prey naturally. If you think that's cruel, fine. But mind your own business.
@brianbuck70 1/ can go either way, either the rat experiences terror, or they find out too late that the trust they have placed in humans has been betrayed.
2/ you need to read more about the real world instead of books on pets. Scrub pythons have been well documented eating road kill.
3/ you can be an arsehole if you like, but be aware that you & others like you will be the reason for laws you don't like being passed to restrict what you can do with pets & what pets you are allowed to have.
@billflowers No, it can't go either way. Every rat I have ever fed to my ball python was too stupid to understand that the snake was stalking it. Rats can't place trust in anything. They're too stupid to understand such concepts. All rats understand is eating, defecating and breeding.
People like you have no right to tell me what kind of pet I can have, or what I can or should be able to feed it (in America at least)
Having had both as pets, I'd say rats and cats are about equal in intelligence. I'm sure if you put a dog, cat or even a toddler in with a giant python it wouldn't know something is about to eat them either. That doesn't mean they are stupid.
Sorry, but life feeds life. If you keep an animal, I believe it should have the ability to hunt and eat live food the natural way. There is nothing wrong with eating meat (I am a long time vegetarian too). Part of me believes that you should hunt what you eat. My turtle gets the exercise and nutrients she needs with fish and shrimp and crayfish. You are disillusioned. Carnivores and vegetarians are different no better than each other. There is harmony in death as if feeds life.
I could care less, if it's an enclosure or not, even if it is a domesticated reptile, it's natural urge is to feed on anything moving. If anything one would have to go against the grain of nature, and blame the hardwire of snakes for the fact they attack rodents, instead it's blown into this whole idiotic ethical argument. whatever.
@viletree Your argument for "nature" is senseless considering you have the snake in a controlled, captive environment. Nothing you do is natural. Why is the ethical argument idiotic? You're throwing a tame animal to another where it has no chance to escape, where the predator might get injured and the prey unnecessarily in pain.
I'll be totally honest, I agree and disagree. I think it's cruel to the mouse, but if you have a snake that isn't eating pre-killed it is your responsibility to try all options so the animal doesn't die.
I had a snake all through college (no longer do, I donated him to a zoo) that at first would not eat at all unless it was live. Eventually he started to eat dead, but I wasn't going to let a 4 thousand dollar animal starve because of a mouse bred for food anyway. I didn't like it, but I did it.
@ShimmerStrike316 they can go many months without food... Im pretty sure once your snake had gone hungry for long enough it would have eaten. People have a tendency to overfeed their snakes.
In the wild, I believe the rodents are aware that they are being targeted as food. They are also prepared to run, fight, or die.
I saw a video where a snake was in the bathroom, and the person placed a guinea pig in front of the snake.
Poor guinea probably didn't know what a snake was, and probably didn't know what was going to happen. After bein fed evryday in it's nice cozy cage, a strange animal just bites it n squeezes it till it dies =[ The 5 lastin minutes of the guinea pig was painful
@deeisneat personally I draw the line at vertabrates myself, I will feed some insects and meal worms to things, but if it has a backbone I don't feel right about feeding it to something else.
It's really up to you to choose what you think is right.
@billflowers I do find that a little hypocritical as I don't see how inverts are any less significant, but that said I do the same with my ackie and bosc. Instead of live rodents we give them off-cuts of meat, but their staple is crickets and locusts.
Some people might think its taking away their natural instincts but there's something rewarding about raising an animal in a way where it trusts you enough to eat from your hand.
Its not anymore hypocritical than being against animal abuse, yet being okay with picking flowers. There is little scientific evidence that insects can feel pain as vertebrates do. I have seen insects recently cut in half grooming themselves or eating, which would be very odd behavior if they were in pain. :P
I agree with u mate
llkm74631993 2 days ago
why is it cruel to feed live vertebrates to other animals but feeding insects and other inverts to them is fine
thehornetlord 3 weeks ago
> Live feeding is wrong!
Then fork rye steaks, don't do it!!
But keep your dam GOD COMPLEX away from me, okay?
cliffwalkinfool 1 month ago
the mice they feed to snakes only live a week in the wild....
lowblowgolf 1 month ago
Oh yeah forgot to say, ur a faggot.
Hifi9119 1 month ago
O ur awesome. U found a pun a ran with it. So clever. So ur not only a FAG, spelled with an F, you're also a homophobe. Get a life and go out and try to interact with real people. God wut a loser.
Hifi9119 1 month ago
Good on ya mate!
Shaka84Lonigro 1 month ago
@Shaka84Lonigro thanks for the support!
billflowers 1 month ago
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Live Feeding is ENTERTAINMENT, and amuses me. It's nature..FUCK YOU!
TyFryGuy 2 months ago
Hey bill, there's a particularly nasty vid in the related videos showing some idiot throwing live mice into a bathtub with a bunch of ferrets. Have you seen it? I think it's a lot worse than what some snake owners do.
RyanRummy 2 months ago
well mice arent really that smart they will go right up next to the snake and even up to its mouth im sure they arent is sheer terror of whats going on, they dont even know what going on
the2step 3 months ago
I'm going to make this short and simple.
1 - If a snake will eat frozen/thawed, then only feed the snake frozen/thawed.
2 - is the snake will eat live or frozen/thawed, feed it frozen/thawed.
3 - if you have a pet snake, that you didn't know would only eat live, then you have to feed it live.
4 - if you are at an expo, pet shop, place to buy a snake, and know the snake only eats live, don't buy it.
rseagles14 3 months ago
@rseagles14 Well said, i like point number 4.
billflowers 3 months ago
@billflowers =) I don't agree in live feeding ethier. But Bill, you gotta know that snakes also have to eat. And you could look at it this way...you know those little fuzzys, mice, rats and pinkies you feed snakes? They are all killed by being frozen on purpose. IT's tough. It is how it is :/ but you gotta know that the snake needs to eat.. . and you ethier feed him a live animal, or an animal that was killed on purpose to feed the snake/rodent eater.
rseagles14 3 months ago
@rseagles14 Over here they are gassed before freezing. In the late 90s a snake farm in Tasmania was taken to court and ended up closing down because it was live feeding for entertainment.
billflowers 3 months ago
@billflowers wow. I didn't know that. Hey dude, I was wondering. What did the blood python bite feel like? I was bit by a central american boa...is there a resemlence in the feeling of those two bites?
rseagles14 3 months ago
@rseagles14 it felt just like all the other python bites I've had.
billflowers 3 months ago
@billflowers ah ok. Hey, could you give me a blood python pet owner guide? how thick do they get? Im not worried about humidity, as I own a brazilian rainbow boa
rseagles14 3 months ago
@rseagles14 Need to ask someone else, I've mostly kept Aussie pythons. The blood python I sketched was a rescue that was in Florida at the time.
billflowers 3 months ago
So Im wrong for watching National Geographic and enjoying a Lion hunt, and a Coyote stalking??
SupMamma88 3 months ago
@SupMamma88 in the wild ok, in a zoo it's wrong.
billflowers 3 months ago
@SupMamma88 How can you compare this to national geographic? It's not even the same thing.
RyanRummy 3 months ago
You say it is cruel to feed live mice/rats to snakes, but it is just as cruel to slam there heads on the table or wall first. Its natural for snakes to hunt, in i prefer to give them the the chance to hunt! It's not that i dont care about the rats nad mice, I have them as pets to. It's just more cruel to prekill them. I have NEVER fed my snakes prekilled food because they WILL NOT eat it. I don't dissagree with everything you say, just some of it. BTW nice tiger snake.
ngb187 3 months ago
@ngb187 No it isn't. The animal dies instantly if you know what you're doing. And hunt? You're pretty much giving it to the snake, it doesn't find the animal on its own, it's in a stupid enclosure. That's not hunting.
RyanRummy 3 months ago
@RyanRummy Also I guess you dont really know the meaning of "voraphilia". "Voraphilia" or " Vorarephilia" : A fetish in wich one fantasizes about being eaten alive or eating another creature alive. ( sometimes known as phagophilia). The most common type of vore is "soft vore", being swallowed or swallowing whole with no bloodshed. There is also the less common "hard vore" which involves the tearing and chewing of flesh.
ngb187 3 months ago
@RyanRummy Other types of vore include macrophilia and microphilia, in which one character involved in the vore is larger or smaller than normal. Many might associate vore with cannibalism; however, most voraphiles do not favor canniblism. Vore is an imaginary fetish; that is, it is impossible to perform in real life in the way most fantasize, unlike most cannibalism.
ngb187 3 months ago
@RyanRummy Also included with vore is sometimes the "furry" community: people who are interested in usually anthromorphic animals ( humanized creatures). With animals as characters in vore fantasies, predation is natural and therefor somewhat more realistic.
ngb187 3 months ago
@RyanRummy 1. Vore (n) pl. vore: The original definition of this term was a nickname for vorarephilia ( hint: often misspelled vorephilia or voreaphili), derived from latin "vorare," meaning "to devour" or "to swallow," and from Acient Greek "philia," meaning "love" or "friend." The actual word "vorarephilia" itself refers to a paraphilia closely related to endosomatophilia, a paraphilia in which one derives sexual pleasure from being consumed or coverd by anything,
ngb187 3 months ago
@RyanRummy but vorarephilia is different in that the particular person deriving the sexual pleasure may be either an observer, a victom, or a predator, not just a victom, and in that the act must be or is preferably between two creatures who are at least remotely alive.It is sometimes (but not necessarily) consensual. There are various subjects, but the most common form referred to as "soft vore,'in which one of the two participants is swallowed whole or alive by the other.
ngb187 3 months ago
@RyanRummy This fantasy may but does not always include digestion. The current definition of the term "vore" is usally used to refer to this paraphilia, but is sometimes used to describe any small online community of individuals who depict the content of this paraphillia with some other emotion behind the work besides sexual motivation.
ngb187 3 months ago
@RyanRummy So please make sure you know the meaning of the words you use before you use them!
ngb187 3 months ago
@ngb187 What the hell are you talking about? I never mentioned vore to you, I know perfectly well what it means. Seems like you bypassed everything I said to you and went completely off-tangent.
RyanRummy 3 months ago
@RyanRummy In your video at 3:50 to 4:05 you mention vore and phagophilia. You said that you were going to get a lot of bad comments, some people would call you a hippie or gay or a phag so you started off with vore and phagophilia trying to explain it. Then you said for all those people you were just going to go ahead and call them phags for short. Well I personally dont like name calling or the use of foul language. My point being if you are going to use a certain term, use it correctly.
ngb187 3 months ago
@ngb187 Excuse me? I haven't uploaded any video - that is billflower's video. I am not billflowers... you idiot.
RyanRummy 3 months ago
@ngb187 Phag, it's slang. Just cause it sounds like Fag, that's all the more fun. You should only be offended if you 'get off' on seeing things suffer. I don't cyber-bully any one person, but I will take on groups of people I see as wrong. Don't like name calling or the use of foul language? best you get off the internet or lighting the fuck up.
billflowers 3 months ago
Thank You so much for that I totally agree with you in every way and have never fed my snakes live prey as I feel sorry for the rat to come face to face with an animal that has over 200 teeth or a set of fangs containing a dangerous toxin
Keep up the great work mate and hopefully all those losers will see right one day and just knock the food as it is still fresh just out for the count
lgalati80 3 months ago
people enjoy live feeding because it represents what they want to do to their enemies.
its a power thing for them
teedonster2 4 months ago
I hope for the sake of all the shit you're spouting that you are just the most vegan motherfucker ever. Otherwise I'm going to LOL and move on
BlinkingTwin 4 months ago
@BlinkingTwin Why does he have to be vegan?
Chocabloc84 3 months ago
(cont.) After that I learned to knock them out on my own, and if they weren't completely dead, the snake made short work of them. I hated feeding out rats though because they're really cute and make better pets than other rodents.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
@Primalxbeast a knocked out rat is better than a fully alert rat i guess.
teedonster2 4 months ago
I remember the first time I had a snake that was big enough to eat adult rats and I didn't want to chance the rat hurting my snake. They took the rat in the back and I heard a loud noise, and then they brought me a twitching bag. I made some comment about it not seeming dead, and he was like, oh, yeah it's dead. So then I had a maimed rat on my hands and didn't know if it was awake and in pain and suffering more than if I'd just fed it to the snake.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
Just because somebody feeds live doesn't mean that they don't care about the mice and rats suffering. Some people just don't like killing things. I wacked mice and rats before feeding them to my snakes so that they wouldn't get bitten, but it's not fun and takes some getting used to. I never had a problem getting snakes to eat freshly wacked rodents, but I never tried frozen.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
Live feeding is okay it would be worse to feed a snake frozen mice as its boaring to watch them eat somthing dead and because the freezeing chemical cant be good i had a bearded dragon that was alive for 15 years and i gave her live baby mice she was happy and healthy.
roark100 5 months ago
live feeding is natural
BrokenBonesSk8Vids 5 months ago 3
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TheAhuitzotl 5 months ago
@BrokenBonesSk8Vids Please explain how it is natural to keep a snake in a cage and giving him domesticated live mice or rats/rabbits/cats etc. Would you feed him a kitten? Its natural for a snake to eat a small kitten is he is hungry and sees one in the wild.
Would you enjoy watching the lions at the zoo being fed with live zebras? I sure hope not.
TheAhuitzotl 5 months ago
@TheAhuitzotl ok mr.smart-fuck that may not be natural but its natural instinct is to hunt
take that away from the animal and what does it have left to do? animal die in the wild everyday its part of life
and btw i hate kittens cats suck dogs are the way to go. and yea thatd be sick to see a zebra being hunted by a lion is it okay to feed a live cricket to a lizard like i do? ur ganna say yea cause you dont give a flying fuck about isects right? but there alive too.
BrokenBonesSk8Vids 5 months ago
@BrokenBonesSk8Vids You're keeping it in a small enclosure, where it doesn't hunt at all. So it's not about 'instinct'.
Smegoff84 5 months ago
@BrokenBonesSk8Vids
What is so natural about sticking the pray in an enclosed area to be eaten alive?
In nature, the pray would have a chance to escape...
OrangematzAquariums 2 weeks ago
isn't the G in Phage pronounced like a J? If so that would make it faj ophilia, which is quite funny cos over here a fadge is something that er... resembles a kipper that a fag wouldn't be interested in.
KnockoffNigeI 6 months ago
i agree on your veiws bill....
upinsmoke656 6 months ago
thank you for this i have just spent the last hour trying to explain to the live feeding lobby that live is not allways the way... but to be honest i think they are a lost cause . i have kept and bred snakes for years with only the very very rare ocasion had to feed live.. i recon the majority of live feeding (exhbitionists )are not true snake lovers but wanna be snake handlers thank you again its so refreshing keep up the good work
gev6raKe 7 months ago
This guy is a Legend...
SuperAnimal100 7 months ago 7
lol do wild always kill they're prey before they devour them, lets ask bear attack victims with several big chucks missing cause bears will usually begin eating while the animal still strugging
stalkingcat123 7 months ago
they do use it ( when it comes to live feeding ).. whatever you are gonna feed it is'nt going to walk up to the snake and die.. constrictor snakes use surprise... and since there wouldn't be cover for the snake inside whatever you have them in they, tend to stay real still.. till they strike.. how is that not hunting??
syn420951 7 months ago
Phag ahahaha I lolled at that!
When I get on my computer you have gained a subscriber!
I was feeding my 4 week old (now a few month) Bredli live geckoes As his first few feeds and about to change to rats! I dont like watching him kill them but i like watching him swallow them lol. Thank you for enlightening me to change my ways! I don't like feeding thawed food to snakes but freshly dead I won't mind. Plus live
Food can hurt your reptile!!
klaeclipse 7 months ago
Agreed.
ProfessorCWI 7 months ago
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FahShizzIe 8 months ago
You may have lost some subscribers with this video but you have gained one in me, I find you have an enlightened and moral view of animal caretaking.
FahShizzIe 8 months ago
LIVE FEEDING IS NOT WRONG!!! IS IT WRONG FOR THEM TO EAT A LIVE ANIMAL IN THE WILD?? SOME EAT FROZEN, SOME ONLY EAT LIVE, THE ONES THAT EAT LIVE STILL HAVE THEIR PREDATOR INSTINCT IN THEM... TO FORCE THEM TO CHANGE HOW THEY EAT IS WRONG, IF A SNAKE ONLY EATS LIVE AND YOU TRY TO FEED IT FROZEN... IT WONT EAT THE FUCKING THING!!!
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 What surprises me is that live feeding is such an emotional issue for those that do live feed.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers I dont have a snake... but I believe in NATURAL ORDER... what do you feed lizards??? CRICKETS!! and yet you dont see a " save the crickets " campaign do you??? live feeding can also be called "THE FOOD CHAIN"
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 Those who do keep snakes take them out of that natural order. The snake keepers kill mites & ticks. In nature mites & ticks are part of the natural order, in an enclosure they can kill the snake. So judgments by the keeper have to be made. You can't say crickets and mice are the same. worms and chimps are not the same, neither are humans and flies. So judgments are made. I draw the line somewhere in the inverts. I will swat a fly but won't kill anything will a backbone for pleasure.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers you may take the snake out of the wild, but the wild doesnt leave the snake, snakes dont kill for pleasure, they do to EAT.. MOST who feed a snakes live dont do it for pleasure.. they do it cuz thats how the snake wants to eat.. and if you force feed they CAN regurgitate it back up..also what you are saying is that it is ok to kill and freeze a mouse and sell them?? they dont have freezers in the wild..
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 There is a market in the pet shops for snakes that are live feeders. I have kept & studied snakes since the late 80s and have found that adult snake from the wild are in most cases keen to take dead food if you warm it up and jiggle it about in front of them.
Still comes back to the tick argument, snake keepers don't let ticks feed on their snakes even if it is natural, they step in because it would be cruel to the snake for 'nature' to run it's course.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers "keen to take dead food if you warm it up and jiggle it about in front of them." which makes it look ALIVE!!!! argument INVALID!!! you dont like live feeding cuz you dont like to see it... it DOESNT make it wrong, no matter what a mouse has to DIE to feed it...
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 Do you mean to tell me that everyone who claims that snakes will only eat live are just not feeding them correctly? That is insulting the intelligence of all snake keepers.
A dead animal can be made look as if it's alive but feels no fear or pain and that is at the heart of my argument.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers "Do you mean to tell me that everyone who claims that snakes will only eat live are just not feeding them correctly?" WTF are you talking about??
"A dead animal can be made look as if it's alive but feels no fear or pain " so you basically say that when a wild snake hunts its a "bad thing"??
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 The difference is your snake is not in the wild it is in captivity.
FahShizzIe 8 months ago
@FahShizzIe and I know that, all I am saying is that some snakes retain the hunting INSTINCT, and to try and change that is going against THAT snakes instinct.. would you like it if someone forced you to eat something you didnt want to eat??
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 I can't speak for the snake but having my prey surrounded by walls where it cannot escape would not be very stimulating. As Bill showed in the video it is not hard to trick a snake into thinking an animal is still alive. He is still getting the same nutritional value from the animal so he would be satisfied. Why do something that is not necessary? If my cats kill something outside that is ok because the prey could ESCAPE. I didn't force the creature into certain death.
FahShizzIe 8 months ago
@syn420951 I think you are missing the whole point. So 1 more time.
A snake enclosure is not nature. We are responsible for what happens in that enclosure.
If we are responsible we should care about animals suffering where it is not necessary.
What happens outside the enclosure is nature, where prey has a sporting chance to escape & where snakes can handle a few ticks.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers so you would rather FORCE a snake to change its INSTINCT... as I said before, SOME snakes dont take to pre dead, CUZ IT STILL RETAINED ITS HUNTING INSTINCT!!!!!
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 What hunting instinct? It's useless in captivity - it just sits there and does nothing.
Smegoff84 7 months ago
@Smegoff84 ALL animals have a hunting instinct... even house cats
syn420951 7 months ago
@syn420951 So? What is the point of using it if they're never going to hunt?
Smegoff84 7 months ago
and idk why you keep bringing up ticks and things like that?? I NEVER SAID ANYTHING about them, yes they may feed off of the snake and can hurt it, but thats if you dont take care of the snake...
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 Ticks are part of the "natural order" as you put it.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers but has no relevance to what we are talking about, what does ticks have to do with live feeding??? i am pretty sure that the store that sells the feeder mice/rats wouldn't sell anything that will harm the snake, which would include feeder mice/rats with ticks..
syn420951 8 months ago
@syn420951 It's not wrong for them to eat live animals in the wild, BUT in the wild the prey creature also has a chance to escape. IMO if something can be done humanely, it should.
Kicksign 3 months ago 2
@Kicksign so what you are saying is that you would FORCE a snake to change its nature and INSTINCT????
syn420951 3 months ago
muffy and millie need to die!!!! feed them to my snakes. your a hippie and your gay.
HisRickness1 8 months ago
muffy and millie need to die!!!! feed them to my snakes :)
HisRickness1 8 months ago
I find snakes fascinating, but completely horrible. They have terrified me from a very young age yet I still watch people on YouTube like yourself who devote their time to explaining them and their tendencies. I tip my hat to you and your viewpoint and I like how you have presented it. You don't abhor live feeding outright, but your personal stance is that it is wrong (which I completely agree by the way). And again I agree, once we take an animal out of the wild, things are no longer "natural"
geminirat84 8 months ago
snake like to hunt ....
aw23aw23 8 months ago
fuck you hippie fag gay fagot
MrYawners 8 months ago
I felt the same about live feeding, until i got my own snake. I refused to feed it live, even though the shop i bought it from advised it. It never ate, i would move prey in front of it's nose, even warm it up but it would not. I don't know about all breeds, but mine was very much an ambush predator and it would not take dead food. I kept replacing it's dead food but it never went for it. The poor thing starved to death because i felt i was above nature. I will never make that mistake again
OchysKiral 8 months ago
@OchysKiral That a sad story, The sad thing is that there is a market for live feeding snakes. Maybe it's a market that should not be supported.
billflowers 8 months ago
@OchysKiral If a snake is so darn picky that it would rather starve itself than eat dead meat, then it deserves to die. Sorry.
Smegoff84 8 months ago
@Smegoff84 You miss the point, snakes arn't picky, they act on instinct. My snake was a sand boa, an ambush hunter, unless it's prey ran past it's nose it wouldn't see it as food. We have to stop pushing our morals on snakes, they don't have morals. I learnt this the hard way, i only posted a reply here so that other pet owners won't lose a beloved pet because think they can talk a snake out of it's instincts. If you don't like live feeding then buy a scavenger species, or don't buy a snake.
OchysKiral 8 months ago
@OchysKiral Snakes are also scavengers too, that can also be fed pre-killed. Live feeding can pose a dangerous risk - we're pushing our morals on the snake for the better of the snake. The snake is in captivity, not in the wild. The life expectancy of a snake in the wild is considerably lower because of this, plus the fact that it can get disease from ticks and mites (something which our morals control in captivity).
Said instincts are useless in captivity, they have their food handed to them!
Smegoff84 8 months ago
@Smegoff84 Not all snakes scavenge, trust me on that. But as to instincts allow me to use an example, have you ever had a cat? They are fed,but many cats will still hunt, and they are smarter than snakes, smart enough to understand that they will be fed every day. Live feeding gives a snake stimulation, the lack of which is considered cruelty. Admittedly snakes don't require as much stimulation as mammals but they still get bored. Also, unless you pick poor prey, live feeding poses no risk.
OchysKiral 8 months ago
@OchysKiral Ridiculous. In Australia and the UK, live feeding is illegal - yet the snakes are perfectly fine. There are other ways you can stimulate them. And if you really think live feeding poses no risk, go to one of the major snake forums and find a thread called "Welcome to the Live Pile". No reputable snake breeder or expert recommends feeding live.
Smegoff84 8 months ago
@OchysKiral You have had a bad experience with a snake that wouldn't eat for you. I suggest that you should put that behind you and get a snake that will eat frozen/thawed food. I believe a lot of the problems start with the pet store.
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers Look, I can appreciate your point of view. I honestly wonder at the morality of keeping pets as a whole. I just try to make my pets habitats as close to their natural one as possible. I think animals should live as nature intended, so should i ever get anouther snake I wouldn't pick a sand boa, I would pick one that did scavenge. Though i still feel that should anyone own an animal that solely feeds live in the wild then that is what they should be fed. I chose to not own one.
OchysKiral 8 months ago
@OchysKiral I respect that
billflowers 8 months ago
Why should we deny the natural behavior of an animal because we feel uncomfortable with the particular anthropomorphic qualities we've given to another animal? To me, that seems worse than allowing a natural process to continue without trying to force nature to change to our will.
Socinus 9 months ago
@Socinus that's like saying "why should we deny ticks or mites it's natural behavior to feed on a snake"
billflowers 8 months ago
@billflowers That makes no sense. Snakes have been dealing with parasites for millions of years before we got here, they dont need us to survive.
Socinus 8 months ago
@Socinus In nature a snake can handle a few ticks, ticks come and go off the snake, in an enclosure ticks all attack the one host and will kill it. Good snake keepers rid their reptiles of parasites. Enclosures are not nature, they are a human imitation of what humans think nature is. Which isn't wrong, but when dealing with life, most humans should apply ethics or question why keep animals in the first place.
billflowers 8 months ago
"RATS HAV FEELINGs 2 !!11" hahaha, *feeds another live rat to my milk snake*
NewYorkFlavour 9 months ago
@NewYorkFlavour Would love nothing more than to confiscate your snakes and whack your knees with a baton, you evil fuck. :)
Smegoff84 8 months ago
@Smegoff84
Whack my knees with a baton? Is that the best you can come up with you Australian hippy faggot? If a bullet right in-between the eyes is what you're looking for, come over and just try confiscating my snake, LOL
NewYorkFlavour 8 months ago
@NewYorkFlavour You're so stupid you don't even know what a hippy means. Hippies use non-violent means, hitting someone's knees with a baton isn't what you'd call 'non-violent'. Good luck reaching for your gun with two broken knees, lol. Stupid gun-toting rednecked sadistic fuck. You don't deserve snakes.
Smegoff84 8 months ago
Thank you for this video, I agree. Also it's very cute when you hold the mouse out for him and he's all like "Omph! Thank you!"
Muhnazer 9 months ago
i feed live things to other live things. just like in the wild. problems?
Teckleon 9 months ago
Super video ! I aggree 100% with everything you say. I keep mice as pets. They are loving, affectionate, aware and almost as intelligent as small dogs. I train my mice to do tricks and they are very bonded to me. They are totally capable of feeling fear, terror and pain. It should be as unacceptable to feed live mice to snakes (spiders, fish, lizards etc.) as it would be to feed live puppies and kittens to snakes.
CreekValleyCritters 10 months ago
Haha, the Phag comment was pretty amusing.
Raptortier 10 months ago
"BAWWW STOP FEEDING YOUR PETS"
Zelrio28 10 months ago
i agree but i do feed live insects which i really dont think thats cruel do u ?
petgirl55 10 months ago
@petgirl55 This question keeps coming up, I don't think insects are as aware as vertebrates, They breed by the hundreds and have short life spans. In nature they are food for so many animals which is why they breed in high numbers. Feeding them to lizards, birds or frogs it is all over very fast. So it is up to what you feel okay with.
billflowers 10 months ago
@billflowers ur a joke! so if my chinese water dragon can kill a mouse faster then a cockroach is okay? im glad u dont make he regulations in the word~!
milldabeast519 10 months ago
I could not agree with you more! And your statements are obviously, absolutely true. No matter who/what you are you will EVENTUALLY scavenge! No human or animal would be dumb enough to say "Well, I'm either going to get my preferred food in the preffered mannor I like to recieve, or I just won't eat, I don't care if it kills me or not." Your obviously a very educated animal/wild life enthusiast! Keep making videos! Lol the phag segment is an absolute crack up!
ValkyereHowie 10 months ago
I am sick to death of the perverts on YT that live feed, the fact that they set the slow agonizing death of the small animal to deth metal music and laugh and glaot over its suffering proves that they are nothing but a disgrace to humanity
AnimalRightsUnited 10 months ago
@AnimalRightsUnited
ngb187 3 months ago
terror and fear is part of life we all experince levels of it, i do see ppl feed live mice to reptiles that shouldnt have them because there not used to killing them. my snakes and reptiles hve always been fed liveand kill very very quick.
milldabeast519 11 months ago
does this guy live in a bush? really. wake the fuk up buddy. the american government is less humane to itsown ppl.
milldabeast519 11 months ago
7:03 completly irrelavant ppl dont have deadly snakes as pets...
milldabeast519 11 months ago
so i guess if we watch animals hunting on discorvery channel we are fags? its not that we enjoy it but i like being exposed to things like this because it strenghthens ur mind and its very interesting i dont smile and start choken my money .....my feeding are more humane then americans are in middle eastern countries.
milldabeast519 11 months ago
man you HILARIOUS!i should give the mouse a sharp knock on the head to kill it?!?!?!?! yea.....these mice come from a fukn pet store they are not raised in the wild with predators. i not saying they dont have there defensive senses but they are not aware of whats going on. i feed an amazon tree boa and pacman frog and water dragons live. the mice crawl on them like there alog because there not aware of the danger becuase they have no experience with predators , dont exagurate
milldabeast519 11 months ago
:40 seconds yes they are slaves. think about what a pet does for us. they sit where we want eat when we tell them , go where we allow them,..... they are slaves
milldabeast519 11 months ago
@milldabeast519 You sure are a tad bit of a fucking idiot. In a way, we are actually their slaves. We work hard to feed and take care of them, we are the slaves. However we are repaid equally or more so by the enjoyment of a pet. I don't feel we should domesticate anymore animals, because the day we go extinct, so do they, quite cruel. But it is our duty to take care of the animals we have already domesticated!
ValkyereHowie 10 months ago
@ValkyereHowie cleary your the idiot if u think we are there slavese. go look at the definition. we are the boss, what ever we says goes. if we are not satisfied with the enjoyment or job there doing we can get rid of them .u work hard to feed and take care ofyour pets? working one day amonth for the money i need for them and maybe another 10 hour shift on maintenence a month isnt hard to me.but then again i have workd real jobs before. extincted?LOLOLO
milldabeast519 10 months ago
@ValkyereHowie actually there are animals that we have domesticated and if we didnt do that in the first plce they would be extinct, the day we go extinct the last thing u should worry about is snakes and beardies cus they will never survive if we cant u fool.
milldabeast519 10 months ago
@milldabeast519 Well then I guess they were meant to go extinct by the process of evolution. Sure it will be sad the day we go extinct and they do too, but atleast the one's that we saved as a species were not meant to survive in the first place.
ValkyereHowie 10 months ago
so what about fisherman using live bait u gon hate on all them to? i would love to see the goverment put a law on using live fish on hooks as bait or other. ppl use live mice as bait and frogs and worm ect. why is there so much focus on snake feedings?
milldabeast519 11 months ago
i athe only thing i will say to this is that then is it wrong that a snake in the wild eats live food? no so there is nothing wrong with it its the way of life
steveMCHS 11 months ago
@steveMCHS In captivity it's different. Is it really OK to feed lions in a zoo live horses or cows?
billflowers 11 months ago
@billflowers no matter what they are still wild animals captive or not they still have that the instinced to hunt its nature
steveMCHS 11 months ago
@billflowers some zoo's yes. 100 spquare miles of land for them. i dont see anything wrong with putting ome gazells or rabits or somthn in there
milldabeast519 10 months ago
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@billflowers some zoo's yes. 100 spquare miles of land for them. i dont see anything wrong with putting some gazells or rabbits or somthn in there
milldabeast519 10 months ago
@steveMCHS
Except in the wild, snakes are often injured by live prey! They can be blinded and even killed by plucky prey items.
Sooo it would also be cruel to your snake exposing them to that kind of danger?
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FleshEatingDRay 10 months ago
@FleshEatingDRay me and my friend have been feeding his sanke live food for 6 years now and she has never even been scratched
steveMCHS 10 months ago
wow this is the first intelligent snake owner i've seen on youtube....glad to see you're a well educated man. people that post their live feeding of rabbits all seem to be just call me their universal uneducated word "fag" when i tell them its wrong.
905Justin 11 months ago
@905Justin When people say "FAG" it saids a lot about them, like they think it's an insult. So they wouldn't like to be called that, they are afraid of being called that. They are worried that people will think they are homosexual.
For me it is an empty insult. I'm not a policeman so calling me cop or pig doesn't effect me. I'm not a fireman & I don't give a stuff if someone calls me that. I'm not homosexual so calling me fag or gay? I can't see the insult.
billflowers 11 months ago
@billflowers If I was gay, I still can't see the insult.
billflowers 11 months ago
@billflowers i don't take it as an insult either, i just find it funny. it shows their lack of vocabulary and how they have to result to childish words like "fag"
905Justin 11 months ago
@905Justin wow are u ? nbdy really cares about other ppls opinion , maybe u should actually do somthn. if its illegal then do somthn ,cruise on feeding telling people there mean bad ppl animal cruelty blablablabl,its wrong? well maybe but we do lots of things that are wrong. are world is run wrong. i dont think posting a video of a snkae feeding is any different then watching an episode of cops when the unleash there dogs on unarmed ppl becuase they didnt lay down fasxt enough.
milldabeast519 10 months ago
@905Justin no wonder u americans have no rights your 2 worried about the rights of a fuckn rodent. get your priorities straight.
milldabeast519 10 months ago
Sorry, but if my reptile doesn't want to eat anything other than live food, then that's all he's going to get. Not your place in the world to say whether or not it's right to feed live.
G0ThPaNDa 11 months ago
@G0ThPaNDa what do you feed it?
howlingdarkness 11 months ago
@howlingdarkness Your mother's vagina, bitch.
G0ThPaNDa 11 months ago
@G0ThPaNDa oh wow you're so clever! grow up you fucking retard.
howlingdarkness 11 months ago
And no. My BP will NOT EAT DEAD FOOD unless I FORCE HER to do so.
TheSurvivalofthefitt 1 year ago
And who's to say people enjoy watching it? I feed my BP live because its the only thing she'll eat. I don't enjoy it. But I have to do it or else she'll die.
TheSurvivalofthefitt 1 year ago
How much "terror" do you really think goes on in those little brains of theirs? You're comparing rodent emotions and actions with human emotions and actions.
TheSurvivalofthefitt 1 year ago
@TheSurvivalofthefitt a lot lol any animal knows when its close to death fear is a basic emotion surley it gets scared
mar1j4ne 1 year ago
Sorry but you gotta remember that is how it happens in the wild dont pamper them
CorpPitbull 1 year ago
I would also support the notion that it's cruel to use other live animals as feed. There's no doubt that even small mammals are intelligent, sensitive creatures. Using live animals as feed is stressful and cruel to both predator and prey. The predator is at terrible risk to suffer injury from the prey. Even reptiles that eat crickets can suffer fatal dammage in the consumption of their prey especially female crickets w ovipositors.
I agree that the insults should be cast at the sadists.
girlalamodem 1 year ago
Will not call names, and respect your view points. However, when having venomous snakes as pets, I am strongly in favor of feeding live prey. Why? Because it fine tunes the reptile when released. Having Ms. Gadsden from a neonate, one button to over 5' long and 12 rattles. I release her this past summer in North Texas. Interesting she Never struck unless hungry. Had a rat enclosed over a week, had to remove rat, because she was not hungry. On all other occasions she struck, and ate all kills.
EcoPaintSpecialists1 1 year ago
If you honestly think that we should do what we think is right than please leave it on our conscience. I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with live feedins but again, I think it should be up to the person. Remember: Humans are superior to animals.
347987 1 year ago
fuk u
TheDeadcoyote 1 year ago
i'm right there with ya, man. i breed mice/rats to feed my snake collection. but i do feel horrible about killing them. even though i put mine in a gas chamber and kill them in less than 3 sec. which to me is less painful than potentially being strangled for over a minute. my friend's python even started eating a rat and he came to after he was halfway down the snakes mouth. poor thing must have been terrified :/
Tarzan07330 1 year ago
feeding live can be acceptable if in an environmentally appropriate manner AND is done so out of respect and appreciation. some animals simply wont eat frozen food, but that doesnt stop people from "tease feeding" to get them to eat it anyway.
there are many videos on youtube that depict live feeding as spectacle only (no education value whatsoever) they exploit predatory behaviour for entertainment's sake. feeding a snapping turtle live rats over live fish is just roman holiday.
nilsdvk1 1 year ago
1. Rodents in an enclosure to not feel fear or terror even when they know they're in with a snake. They're too stupid. I've seen rats walk right up to my pet python and too their rightful fate.
2. No snake scavenges. That is a lie. All snakes are pure predators that only eat prey that they themselves have killed. Snakes never scavenge carcasses, ever.
3. I enjoy watching my snake stalk, kill and consume her prey naturally. If you think that's cruel, fine. But mind your own business.
brianbuck70 1 year ago
@brianbuck70 1/ can go either way, either the rat experiences terror, or they find out too late that the trust they have placed in humans has been betrayed.
2/ you need to read more about the real world instead of books on pets. Scrub pythons have been well documented eating road kill.
3/ you can be an arsehole if you like, but be aware that you & others like you will be the reason for laws you don't like being passed to restrict what you can do with pets & what pets you are allowed to have.
billflowers 1 year ago
@billflowers No, it can't go either way. Every rat I have ever fed to my ball python was too stupid to understand that the snake was stalking it. Rats can't place trust in anything. They're too stupid to understand such concepts. All rats understand is eating, defecating and breeding.
People like you have no right to tell me what kind of pet I can have, or what I can or should be able to feed it (in America at least)
brianbuck70 1 year ago
@brianbuck70
Having had both as pets, I'd say rats and cats are about equal in intelligence. I'm sure if you put a dog, cat or even a toddler in with a giant python it wouldn't know something is about to eat them either. That doesn't mean they are stupid.
Fleefles 1 year ago
@brianbuck70 thats becuase there not fuckn rats they caught from wild there DOMESTICATED RATs beingfeed to a fuckn DOMESTICATED animal!
milldabeast519 10 months ago
Sorry, but life feeds life. If you keep an animal, I believe it should have the ability to hunt and eat live food the natural way. There is nothing wrong with eating meat (I am a long time vegetarian too). Part of me believes that you should hunt what you eat. My turtle gets the exercise and nutrients she needs with fish and shrimp and crayfish. You are disillusioned. Carnivores and vegetarians are different no better than each other. There is harmony in death as if feeds life.
kristinrawl 1 year ago
i like you man, your alot nicer guy than that agnorant ass viper keeper
pittbullbill 1 year ago
I could care less, if it's an enclosure or not, even if it is a domesticated reptile, it's natural urge is to feed on anything moving. If anything one would have to go against the grain of nature, and blame the hardwire of snakes for the fact they attack rodents, instead it's blown into this whole idiotic ethical argument. whatever.
viletree 1 year ago
@viletree Your argument for "nature" is senseless considering you have the snake in a controlled, captive environment. Nothing you do is natural. Why is the ethical argument idiotic? You're throwing a tame animal to another where it has no chance to escape, where the predator might get injured and the prey unnecessarily in pain.
HTankey 1 year ago
@viletree lol you have no ability to reason. If you snake wants movement, move the damn dead mouse.
gigglewhippet 1 year ago
I'll be totally honest, I agree and disagree. I think it's cruel to the mouse, but if you have a snake that isn't eating pre-killed it is your responsibility to try all options so the animal doesn't die.
I had a snake all through college (no longer do, I donated him to a zoo) that at first would not eat at all unless it was live. Eventually he started to eat dead, but I wasn't going to let a 4 thousand dollar animal starve because of a mouse bred for food anyway. I didn't like it, but I did it.
ShimmerStrike316 1 year ago
@ShimmerStrike316 they can go many months without food... Im pretty sure once your snake had gone hungry for long enough it would have eaten. People have a tendency to overfeed their snakes.
gigglewhippet 1 year ago
Love this video Bill!
TJsHerps 1 year ago
In the wild, I believe the rodents are aware that they are being targeted as food. They are also prepared to run, fight, or die.
I saw a video where a snake was in the bathroom, and the person placed a guinea pig in front of the snake.
Poor guinea probably didn't know what a snake was, and probably didn't know what was going to happen. After bein fed evryday in it's nice cozy cage, a strange animal just bites it n squeezes it till it dies =[ The 5 lastin minutes of the guinea pig was painful
MaddieYchama 1 year ago
what's your views on feeder fish?
deeisneat 1 year ago
@deeisneat personally I draw the line at vertabrates myself, I will feed some insects and meal worms to things, but if it has a backbone I don't feel right about feeding it to something else.
It's really up to you to choose what you think is right.
billflowers 1 year ago
@billflowers I do find that a little hypocritical as I don't see how inverts are any less significant, but that said I do the same with my ackie and bosc. Instead of live rodents we give them off-cuts of meat, but their staple is crickets and locusts.
Some people might think its taking away their natural instincts but there's something rewarding about raising an animal in a way where it trusts you enough to eat from your hand.
kingquaps 1 year ago
@kingquaps
Its not anymore hypocritical than being against animal abuse, yet being okay with picking flowers. There is little scientific evidence that insects can feel pain as vertebrates do. I have seen insects recently cut in half grooming themselves or eating, which would be very odd behavior if they were in pain. :P
Fleefles 1 year ago