People seem to be taking what he's saying the wrong way. He's not saying the music of "emocore" is stupid, he's saying that the term "emocore" is stupid. I'd say there is a shit-ton of awesome emo nowadays in many different forms.
If you think emo is stupid, go give an honest listen to the band Shotmaker. You can find their discography anywhere on the internet easily, and if you don't like it, delete it. Or Still Life.
"There's a new form of performance occurring out in Washington, D.C. It goes by the name of Emo-Core or Emotional Core. Bands like Embrace (featuring Ian McKaye), Rites of Spring, Beefeater, among others are taking the severe intensity of an emotional projection and adding it totally into their respective life sets. Crowds are said to be left in tears from the intensity. This sort of a gig is not a frequent affair, as the bands are fully drained after a performance"
this is the beginning of emo bands denying the "emo" label because of its social connotations. MacKaye isn't saying that the idea of playing hardcore music with emotional expressivity is stupid. in fact he's saying that it's absurd to think that there's any other way. "as if hardcore wasn't emotional to begin with"... the misconception that "emo" refers most correctly to whiny bullshit isn't a new one.
yeah emo is just ...whatever! people say its goth combined with punk that created emo at least the visual, from what I can tell modern Emo looks like its descended from bastardized 90's pop punk & the mallgoth aesthetic. because 70s punk branched out so many sub genres! in some cases I loved it (goth, post-punk, electro-punk, deathrock etc.) but in other cases I was disappointed. either or the damage is done, I hate emo too, but c'mon get over it, 70s punk value is lost cuz of monotonous hate!
@killforfiend You should do like I do, listen to what you think is good and all your problems will go away. And if someone starts saying things that doesn't add up at all about the music you listen to, make sure you got the facts straight so you can mute that person once and for all.
Happened to me today and I tried to mute him even though he wouldn't listen, so I just postet all I coud find about hardcores origin and everything about it on his facebook wall.
He didn´ t say the music is stupid(´cause he played that music), but he thought the sorting HC to many genres(classic HC, Emocore, Grunge etc.) is stupid
I think waht Ian was doing with this band was ahead of your tipical hardcore punk band... so this shit deserved a label... now the label "emocore" was the most stupid decision of all times... it was obvious that in a couple of years there would be over depressed kids with gay makeup calling themselves EMO!!
what a dickhead? who the fuck is rites of spring anyway?.. theres way cooler bands than them, the only reason hes bashing emocore is because him and his unknown stupid band anrnt as famous, this is jealousy at its finest. oh and yeah fucking loads of guys from bands come out with stuid shit like this like dimebag once said metal was about jeans and a guitar instead of looking like a "drag queen" its just ridiculous that people like this come out with this dog turd bullshit that isnt true .
Umm...how would he be jealous of today's famous bands? He said that in 1986. Emo didn't even exist yet...Embrace and Rites of Spring were the first bands of their kind - the first bands to be labeled "emocore". So, he was bashing a label that only described his band and a couple others at the time.
and for the record, they were WAY better than any shit band that has come out in the last 15 years.
@SwirlyBrokenHearts Hahahaha. Who are Rites of Spring???? Who is Ian MacKaye???? You misinformed asshole. Do you even realize this came out in 1986 BEFORE emo was even a "thing". Which means the whole "label" STARTED because of this band and others like them. He's talking about people that EXISTED before you did. So why are you getting mad at him? He's not talking about you or your gay-ass favorite band because it's 1986. Twenty years before kids started calling themselves emo.
@SwirlyBrokenHearts your name says it all, Minor Threat kicks all these new bands asses and you know why because it has energy these new bands cant compare soo... fuck you!
@SwirlyBrokenHearts You should probably do your homework, Ian MacKaye was in Minor Threat, one of the most influential punk bands of all time, then later Fugazi, the most influential post-hardcore band of all time. He took a break in 1985 to accidentally invent emo. He also couldn't give two shits about being famous. At all. The fact he IS famous is merely incidental.
@SwirlyBrokenHearts Dog turd bull shit, are you Joseph Mengller? have you been splicing animals then shame on you! LOLATRON. You are right though, he is LIKE SOOOOOO PISSSED that he wont have a lasting musical legacy (minor threat, embrace, FU FUCKING GAZI) to call his own unlike that sick guy from the used that shagged kelly osbourne, that cunts hardcore. I LOVE YOU. LOLCAPTAIN.
@blackorpheliac1 Rites of Spring was, like Embrace, a post-hardcore band from D.C. that was founded in 1984 and was together with Embrace a vital part of the new era of the genre. If you're that into Ian MacKaye and Embrece you should know my friend.
@SwirlyBrokenHearts emos shit kid, the music sucks, that makes me jealous? and what fucking emocore band at this time was even known? give me a break.
if an artist has a style that is perceivably distinct from others then a word or phrase to describe it's characteristics, is required for ease of discussion. otherwise descriptions would be; "it's music with distorted guitars shouting and a fast beat".it's a lot of words but you really don't narrow it down.genres necessary evils in discussing music. if you don't like the critics naming your style then name it yourself. but that would seem pretentious.Embrace is emocore.because the term stuck.
Emo may not be the best term as it focuses more on a specific band of emotions generally speaking, however I am a fan of the fact that the genre gets its own distinction. I'm no hot topic kid, but it is nice to say you are a fan of a genre and meen most every band in the genre "Alt", is a dumb label Alternative to what?
"Pop" is a dumb label popular to who?
"Metal" is a dumb elastic label
Labels are dumb, sure. But we use them all the time, I'd rather say I'm a fan of "Emo"
See, the thing is here Ian is referencing Emo before it became associated with a scene ( tight pants, straightened hair, eyeliner ) and couldn't fathom why a certain kind of music would be special for being emotional: it all is. Then marketers came in, basically the same kind of marginalizing happened to the Seattle music scene with Grunge.
people should at least respect all types of music, any music can be categorized to "similar sounding" groups enough to have a given word for it. even if it wasn't called emo/melodic hardcore the same sound would still exist in many places, be considered different things, whether categorized by another name or blended into a genre like hardcore or salsa pop. now "the new emo" is just a marketing scam, but the music commonly found in the span of the genre (funeral diner, etc) is very good, i.m.o
the emo kids are in really a new generation of Postcore but they don't know that xD
but emocore exist for me but it was in the middle of the 90's and the one real emocore genre is ''screamo'' ansd emocore is a mix of dc hardcore and indie-rock or progressive-rock and no really a right music genre
emo is just another micro label .... fuck emo ... all music is emotional ... without emotions music is dead ....emo,s are posers ..accept it or become true to yourself
he's talking about 80'ies emo hardcore, not about the emocore/screamo/post-HC/ whatevere else there may be, as it's known now. It lies miles away from each other and has absolutely nothing to doo with eachother. I myself am a hardcore kid, and I have no problems with emo's.
Even back in '86 emo was a dirty word. I don't remember any band referring to themselves as 'emo' until around 5 years ago, when corporate rock bands found it a good marketing tool to use to attract bullied teenagers who think they're joining some 'alternative' little club by wearing eyeliner.
Even back in '86 emo was a dirty word. I don't remember any band referring to themselves as 'emo' until around 5 years ago, when corporate rock bands found it a good marketing tool to use to attract bullied teenagers who think they're joining some 'alternative' little club by wearing eyeliner.
emo does suck its own dick, but some kids are just born emo. theres gotta be a market for that just like there was a market for good music at one point
I think theres a big difference when it comes to Hardcore and emo. I don't recall hearing Minor Threat talking about slitting their wrists or advocating crying about things. The hardcore kids back then were go-getters back then and didn't sit around crying about shit or waiting for mom & dad to give them money to fill in the blanks of boredom for them. Punks, skins and HxC people from around the world were generally less fortunate and didn't have the means like these emo shits today.
dude, shut the fuck up. I dont recall emo bands talking about slittng their wrists either, or advocate crying. Embrace is what is reffered to as emo, so in that case you just handed a giant shitload to mr. Mackaye .
All the emo bands i know of are hard working anarchist diy fanatics, just like any other hardcore band you would find.
man why the fuck do we punks let those emo faggots make our scene look ridiculous? Fuck its time to fight back so get yer steelcapped boots and knock the fuck outta those sons of bitches....they think theyre sooo fucking harcore....well i wonder how hardcore they are when 10 punx n skins beat the hell outta them....fuck i hate those stupid faggots.....Ian Mccaye was right (as usual) but now its time to take back our scene....
is not your scene, and i dont think you have any right to decide how it should look like, and why do you care on how it looks, you should not be a scene you should be an individual being
@ChrisHatepunk You gotta be the stupidest sonofabitch I've ever seen post on the internet. You call yourself a fucking punk, yet you advocate violence against people you've deemed inferior to yourself? Way to fucking spit on everything anti-homophobic and anti-racist punks have worked for over the years. Fuck you, sir. Fuck you.
@thultner anti-homophobic? I never got the anti homophobic thing. what band defends the fags before ten years ago? (i'm actually curious I'm not being an asshole)
but you got to admit it's hard to lump bands that have come out in 2000 and so on in the post hardcore genre so whatever, it's not like ian mackaye officially coined the term, it was just some douchebag writer on thrasher magazine
but you gotta admit it is also hard to lump bands that have come out in 2000 and so forth in the post hardcore genre so whatever it's not like ian mackaye coined the term, it was just some douchebag writer on thrasher magazine
this is exactly what i have thought of the term emo ever since i heard it. He summed it up. He didn't say the music classified is stupidest fucking thing he's heard because the music that was classified as that then was his band embrace, and other dc bands, he was saying the term emocore was stupid because music is emotional.
The true meaning in "emo"? I'm pretty sure he was the one who was given credit for the real term, I hate that scene's, depressed(no offense to them) and haters gave that term a new gay meaning, Ian's meaning is better than that shitty new one we have!
nctrIs2... me too... but as for the "I love being sad". That's poser bullshit. as punkisALIVEagain said. emos are preps in black, with their own definitive style of music. People like you, who think they are emo, said, "ooohh, depressing lyrics, let's be bipolar".
emos are NOT depressive. If you thionk you have to be, you have issues.
most all hardcore is emo, people think its just an 'angry-type musik' isnt anger an emotion? simply 'red, im seeing red, im seeing red, im seeing red, im seeing reeeeeed' (M.T.) seing red = anger, anger= emotion, emotion in hardcore=emocore but since most harcore is 'emo-attached' its JUST hardcore
@uberscheisse It's not 1995. Sunny Day Real Estate took emo away from "Emotive Hardcore" and made it it's own thing. That stuff's the real "emo" to me if ever there was such a genre
The "emo" that he's talking about is a different kind of music altogether from the "emo" that kids talk about today. They're as different as night and day.
When people say emo today they're talking about My Chemical Romance and crap like that, not about embrace, rites of spring, etc.
I've evolved past this topic of conversation, but I'd like to make an addendum. Music is emotional. It encodes emotion, and is intended to create/withdraw emotion in the audience, whether extrinsically or intrinsically. As an aesthetic, "emocore" has become a simple "hipster" culture, composed of consumers of repackaged social movements of the past. It is not alone in this. the problem with these cultures is that they occupy space benignly rather than utlize it for progression. That is all.
I think emo is a sign of love and peace beyond any other. Even if you are a retarded faggot who doesn't wash, someone out there will actually like you.
Well, since what emo is now and what emo was back then were two completely different things - this doesn't hold much weight. And since I'm pretty sure Ian was just making fun of the label they put on his music, it holds even less weight. The point he seemed to be making was all music is emotional... so what's the point in being redundant and calling it emo?
Not only was "emo" part of the lexicon in hardcore back in the day, but was "scream-o," was too(circa 93-96). I remember hearing that when people described xFrailx or Policy of 3 (that band featured the brother of the guy who wrote NO Loger a FANzine). Gervasi... Great band. Great mag. That family bred well.
A lot of bands like to seperate themselves from labels that others coin them with. For example, My Bloody Valentine and the shoegazer wave. They tended to distance themselves from that scene as much as possible. The fact remains that Rites of Spring were extremely influential to emo (the hardcore stuff, not today's pop-rock). Whether you like the term or not, it does serve a purpose, and that's to distinguish a particular sound.
whatever. it happened. the late 80s DC bands were amazing. call it what you will. they also inspired a lot of great music. so arguing about whatever it's called is stupid. even if you are ian mackaye
what really, really ruined emo was the whole "scene kid" thing. long black bangs and lots of hairspray....trying to look all different kinds of punk at the same time...lots of hair dye hot topic clothes. that shit is whats gay.
You can't really denounce one trend while you're responsible for the gayest trend ever to exist (straight edge) Drink a beer and learn how to sing Mackaye, you suck.
Calling straight edge a trend, on the same level that "emo" is a trend, is ridiculious. Straight edge influences everything that people who adhere to it do - it's a lifestyle, not a trend.
Being emo, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't really go past the physical. They aren't on the same level at all.
just like any time in the history of rock 'n' roll when a few musicians had enough originality to spark a whole movement, people started defining it as a new genre, and labeling it
and any band with any sense of originality will always refuse to accept such labels
Ouch, I was at this show and felt really bad at the time as my group of friends were frequently having a laugh at the term emo-core. I didn't know that MacKaye had taken offense. I felt like he was lecturing directly to me that night. The comments section does not give me enough room to explain the mid-80s D.C. origins of "Emo"/"Emo-Core", one day I will do a video on it. Any recanting which does not mention one Mr. D. Rickert is not the full story though.
hes just saying that the label they put on him was stupid. not the genre itself. hes pretty much saying that label atop label atop label is fucking stupid.
too fuckin' late kids, i'm the kind of all this shit, sky high and all that jazz.. why don't you go out and put something back into the scene rather than putting a label on everything to make yourself feel secure with your surroundings?
emos are fuckin dicks who take everything cool and call it their own. they ruin the names of punk and straight edge by saying they are punks and straight edge. really they're just posers and pussies. being staright edge is an idivdual choice not a fuckin club or social group. and bein a punk is somebody listen to REAL punk music not poser shit. fuck off you stupid emo fucks god damn just invent something new that talent and originality instead of stealing everything. sayin its your own
Brian Baker Minor Threats, bassist. coined the phrase Emo Core as a joke. Among the scene it was a thing bands did to define them selves. Minor Threat started "Hardcore" once that spread like wildfire they started using other terminology to separate themselve which turned into a joke. SAdcore. emo core, sludge core, homo core etc.....
Actually a few old I know timers recall that Brian sorta borrowed the term from my buddy Dave "I collect quack medical artifacts & obscure industrial recordings" Rickert who jokingly began referring to several bands of that era and ilk in DC as playing a new type of "emocore"...but Brian's pretty much the most well known source of that lil' phrase....
People seem to be taking what he's saying the wrong way. He's not saying the music of "emocore" is stupid, he's saying that the term "emocore" is stupid. I'd say there is a shit-ton of awesome emo nowadays in many different forms.
JamesIsMyNamo2 1 month ago
"As if hardcore wasn't emotional to begin with."
ianpedro 2 months ago
If you think emo is stupid, go give an honest listen to the band Shotmaker. You can find their discography anywhere on the internet easily, and if you don't like it, delete it. Or Still Life.
swindle1989 4 months ago
labels
facefacts911 5 months ago
I can dig this but I still like to call things emo and emocore
homygodwtf 6 months ago
yeah fuck emo. < hardcore
PnxNdd420 7 months ago
Exhibit A:
"There's a new form of performance occurring out in Washington, D.C. It goes by the name of Emo-Core or Emotional Core. Bands like Embrace (featuring Ian McKaye), Rites of Spring, Beefeater, among others are taking the severe intensity of an emotional projection and adding it totally into their respective life sets. Crowds are said to be left in tears from the intensity. This sort of a gig is not a frequent affair, as the bands are fully drained after a performance"
stvnd1 9 months ago
Sick, I love you
DabeDread 9 months ago
this is the beginning of emo bands denying the "emo" label because of its social connotations. MacKaye isn't saying that the idea of playing hardcore music with emotional expressivity is stupid. in fact he's saying that it's absurd to think that there's any other way. "as if hardcore wasn't emotional to begin with"... the misconception that "emo" refers most correctly to whiny bullshit isn't a new one.
killthatcity 9 months ago 2
It's kind of funny that he indirectly mentions Rites of Spring yet him and Guy Picciotto are in Fugazi a short while later LOL
parman 11 months ago
@parman He was a fan of Rites of Spring, I don't think he ever denied that.
Basskay 8 months ago
yeah emo is just ...whatever! people say its goth combined with punk that created emo at least the visual, from what I can tell modern Emo looks like its descended from bastardized 90's pop punk & the mallgoth aesthetic. because 70s punk branched out so many sub genres! in some cases I loved it (goth, post-punk, electro-punk, deathrock etc.) but in other cases I was disappointed. either or the damage is done, I hate emo too, but c'mon get over it, 70s punk value is lost cuz of monotonous hate!
killforfiend 11 months ago
@killforfiend You should do like I do, listen to what you think is good and all your problems will go away. And if someone starts saying things that doesn't add up at all about the music you listen to, make sure you got the facts straight so you can mute that person once and for all.
Happened to me today and I tried to mute him even though he wouldn't listen, so I just postet all I coud find about hardcores origin and everything about it on his facebook wall.
MooglesNest 4 months ago
"Come on man" ..hahahahahahahahahahaha
despairafterhope 1 year ago
He didn´ t say the music is stupid(´cause he played that music), but he thought the sorting HC to many genres(classic HC, Emocore, Grunge etc.) is stupid
Petrrise 1 year ago
@Petrrise Thank you!!! Ur one of the few who understood Ian.
aakuster 3 months ago
I think waht Ian was doing with this band was ahead of your tipical hardcore punk band... so this shit deserved a label... now the label "emocore" was the most stupid decision of all times... it was obvious that in a couple of years there would be over depressed kids with gay makeup calling themselves EMO!!
Therojo 1 year ago
"EMOtional hardcore" is a mistake. It is called EMOtive hardcore. One word changes the whole context.
Toughguysdontdance12 1 year ago
Ian was right, how has the term survived for so long?
AmericaDevil 1 year ago 4
its rare to hear anyone during the 80 acknowledge emo.
Emo back then was pretty much the same thing as hardcore punk, emo from today is something entirely different, but then again so is today's punk.
Tcassa89 1 year ago
I think he meant, that there is no need for calling stuff "emo".
redtyro 1 year ago 4
what a dickhead? who the fuck is rites of spring anyway?.. theres way cooler bands than them, the only reason hes bashing emocore is because him and his unknown stupid band anrnt as famous, this is jealousy at its finest. oh and yeah fucking loads of guys from bands come out with stuid shit like this like dimebag once said metal was about jeans and a guitar instead of looking like a "drag queen" its just ridiculous that people like this come out with this dog turd bullshit that isnt true .
SwirlyBrokenHearts 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts i wouldn't say fugazi or minor threat are unknown...
sunchild90 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts
Umm...how would he be jealous of today's famous bands? He said that in 1986. Emo didn't even exist yet...Embrace and Rites of Spring were the first bands of their kind - the first bands to be labeled "emocore". So, he was bashing a label that only described his band and a couple others at the time.
and for the record, they were WAY better than any shit band that has come out in the last 15 years.
riotriotupstart 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts Hahahaha. Who are Rites of Spring???? Who is Ian MacKaye???? You misinformed asshole. Do you even realize this came out in 1986 BEFORE emo was even a "thing". Which means the whole "label" STARTED because of this band and others like them. He's talking about people that EXISTED before you did. So why are you getting mad at him? He's not talking about you or your gay-ass favorite band because it's 1986. Twenty years before kids started calling themselves emo.
drslobulus 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts your name says it all, Minor Threat kicks all these new bands asses and you know why because it has energy these new bands cant compare soo... fuck you!
MisfitForever1 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts You should probably do your homework, Ian MacKaye was in Minor Threat, one of the most influential punk bands of all time, then later Fugazi, the most influential post-hardcore band of all time. He took a break in 1985 to accidentally invent emo. He also couldn't give two shits about being famous. At all. The fact he IS famous is merely incidental.
sonicwingnut 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts Dog turd bull shit, are you Joseph Mengller? have you been splicing animals then shame on you! LOLATRON. You are right though, he is LIKE SOOOOOO PISSSED that he wont have a lasting musical legacy (minor threat, embrace, FU FUCKING GAZI) to call his own unlike that sick guy from the used that shagged kelly osbourne, that cunts hardcore. I LOVE YOU. LOLCAPTAIN.
MrStephenferguson 1 year ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts who the fuck is rites of spring? LOL
blackorpheliac1 11 months ago
@blackorpheliac1 Rites of Spring was, like Embrace, a post-hardcore band from D.C. that was founded in 1984 and was together with Embrace a vital part of the new era of the genre. If you're that into Ian MacKaye and Embrece you should know my friend.
MooglesNest 4 months ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts Yeah....Minor Threat is way the fuck more popular and better than any emo band.
geezer6970 11 months ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts hahaha what a fucking moron. go dye your bangs you fruit
maryperkins666 10 months ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts emos shit kid, the music sucks, that makes me jealous? and what fucking emocore band at this time was even known? give me a break.
WillyWobSk8in 10 months ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts I sure hope you weren't talking about Ian MacKaye...
iLikeToShank 9 months ago
@SwirlyBrokenHearts what
SlipkPie 9 months ago
if an artist has a style that is perceivably distinct from others then a word or phrase to describe it's characteristics, is required for ease of discussion. otherwise descriptions would be; "it's music with distorted guitars shouting and a fast beat".it's a lot of words but you really don't narrow it down.genres necessary evils in discussing music. if you don't like the critics naming your style then name it yourself. but that would seem pretentious.Embrace is emocore.because the term stuck.
kindkayne 1 year ago
can't believe 24 people disliked it. must be people from that thrasher magazine lol
tourettes84 1 year ago
can't believe 24 people disliked it. must be people from that trasher magazine lol
tourettes84 1 year ago
Anger is an emotion Ian
Hardcore was emotional then.
I still love you
deathbypowerglove 1 year ago
i fuckin love u Ian Mackay
Tazi666Rotten 1 year ago
10000000000% right...why call one music genre emotional, regardless what decade it is..theres only good heart felt music and mainstream-crap
44eelz 1 year ago
Emo may not be the best term as it focuses more on a specific band of emotions generally speaking, however I am a fan of the fact that the genre gets its own distinction. I'm no hot topic kid, but it is nice to say you are a fan of a genre and meen most every band in the genre "Alt", is a dumb label Alternative to what?
"Pop" is a dumb label popular to who?
"Metal" is a dumb elastic label
Labels are dumb, sure. But we use them all the time, I'd rather say I'm a fan of "Emo"
halifuckinfan 1 year ago
@halifuckinfan I used to call it hardcore when I was a youngster
jimmyjustus 1 year ago
MUST TROLL ON ALL EMOS!
HollywoodL0L 1 year ago
lol emo is stupid why dress up like i woman..I just have a similar hairstyle but that is because i love manga
Janosevic80 1 year ago
@Janosevic80 lol gay
Baitenator 1 year ago
See, the thing is here Ian is referencing Emo before it became associated with a scene ( tight pants, straightened hair, eyeliner ) and couldn't fathom why a certain kind of music would be special for being emotional: it all is. Then marketers came in, basically the same kind of marginalizing happened to the Seattle music scene with Grunge.
RawwestHide 1 year ago
tehe
ronnieosbeck 1 year ago
people should at least respect all types of music, any music can be categorized to "similar sounding" groups enough to have a given word for it. even if it wasn't called emo/melodic hardcore the same sound would still exist in many places, be considered different things, whether categorized by another name or blended into a genre like hardcore or salsa pop. now "the new emo" is just a marketing scam, but the music commonly found in the span of the genre (funeral diner, etc) is very good, i.m.o
jollyroger613 1 year ago
This is the best video ever..
vittux7 1 year ago
is there anything Ian MacKaye doesn't hate?
Irano56 1 year ago
the emo kids are in really a new generation of Postcore but they don't know that xD
but emocore exist for me but it was in the middle of the 90's and the one real emocore genre is ''screamo'' ansd emocore is a mix of dc hardcore and indie-rock or progressive-rock and no really a right music genre
PPSALM150 1 year ago
Oh shit... O.x
That's horible. XD
Emo is nice... ^^
alelric11 1 year ago
@alelric11
emo is just another micro label .... fuck emo ... all music is emotional ... without emotions music is dead ....emo,s are posers ..accept it or become true to yourself
sirreal89121 1 year ago 2
@alelric11
he's talking about 80'ies emo hardcore, not about the emocore/screamo/post-HC/ whatevere else there may be, as it's known now. It lies miles away from each other and has absolutely nothing to doo with eachother. I myself am a hardcore kid, and I have no problems with emo's.
densaugo007 1 year ago
Even back in '86 emo was a dirty word. I don't remember any band referring to themselves as 'emo' until around 5 years ago, when corporate rock bands found it a good marketing tool to use to attract bullied teenagers who think they're joining some 'alternative' little club by wearing eyeliner.
dark108x 1 year ago
Even back in '86 emo was a dirty word. I don't remember any band referring to themselves as 'emo' until around 5 years ago, when corporate rock bands found it a good marketing tool to use to attract bullied teenagers who think they're joining some 'alternative' little club by wearing eyeliner.
dark108x 1 year ago 4
@IsaiDeKlerk yeah you fail...
RIVR2319 1 year ago
smash the emo.
zakzero123 1 year ago
emo does suck its own dick, but some kids are just born emo. theres gotta be a market for that just like there was a market for good music at one point
LiFe0In1ThE0MaTrix01 1 year ago
I think theres a big difference when it comes to Hardcore and emo. I don't recall hearing Minor Threat talking about slitting their wrists or advocating crying about things. The hardcore kids back then were go-getters back then and didn't sit around crying about shit or waiting for mom & dad to give them money to fill in the blanks of boredom for them. Punks, skins and HxC people from around the world were generally less fortunate and didn't have the means like these emo shits today.
getapokeon 2 years ago 3
dude, shut the fuck up. I dont recall emo bands talking about slittng their wrists either, or advocate crying. Embrace is what is reffered to as emo, so in that case you just handed a giant shitload to mr. Mackaye .
All the emo bands i know of are hard working anarchist diy fanatics, just like any other hardcore band you would find.
Nizzemanden 2 years ago
Emo is just a word, fuck Emo.
alexfanx 2 years ago
man why the fuck do we punks let those emo faggots make our scene look ridiculous? Fuck its time to fight back so get yer steelcapped boots and knock the fuck outta those sons of bitches....they think theyre sooo fucking harcore....well i wonder how hardcore they are when 10 punx n skins beat the hell outta them....fuck i hate those stupid faggots.....Ian Mccaye was right (as usual) but now its time to take back our scene....
ChrisHatepunk 2 years ago
is not your scene, and i dont think you have any right to decide how it should look like, and why do you care on how it looks, you should not be a scene you should be an individual being
calopo 1 year ago
@ChrisHatepunk You gotta be the stupidest sonofabitch I've ever seen post on the internet. You call yourself a fucking punk, yet you advocate violence against people you've deemed inferior to yourself? Way to fucking spit on everything anti-homophobic and anti-racist punks have worked for over the years. Fuck you, sir. Fuck you.
thultner 1 year ago 15
@thultner You're an idiot, all he said is that emo kids are making punks look like pussies and to take our scene back. What's wrong with that?
babyshaker90210 1 year ago
@thultner anti-homophobic? I never got the anti homophobic thing. what band defends the fags before ten years ago? (i'm actually curious I'm not being an asshole)
wolfservant5 1 year ago
@wolfservant5 Are you really implying that no tollerance for homophobia has only been around in music for a decade? You sir, are an idiot.
xSPLENDAx 1 year ago
@wolfservant5 nirvana
iosuesou 1 year ago
@wolfservant5 google Queercore
sobernuts 1 year ago
@wolfservant5 Intelligent people have always been anti Homophobic.
xbertocoaylax 10 months ago
@ChrisHatepunk you must be the biggest cunt i've ever seen. stop posting your opinions on the internet because no ones interested.
lemmehollaatya 1 year ago
but you got to admit it's hard to lump bands that have come out in 2000 and so on in the post hardcore genre so whatever, it's not like ian mackaye officially coined the term, it was just some douchebag writer on thrasher magazine
thundertower 2 years ago
but you gotta admit it is also hard to lump bands that have come out in 2000 and so forth in the post hardcore genre so whatever it's not like ian mackaye coined the term, it was just some douchebag writer on thrasher magazine
people as alway
thundertower 2 years ago
thank god somone found this footage. i have heard people call minor threat an emo band and thank god this video is out there.
thelivingfire 2 years ago
this is exactly what i have thought of the term emo ever since i heard it. He summed it up. He didn't say the music classified is stupidest fucking thing he's heard because the music that was classified as that then was his band embrace, and other dc bands, he was saying the term emocore was stupid because music is emotional.
Biglotsemployee 2 years ago 6
@Biglotsemployee That makes so much sense.
LetsGetHighOnMorris 1 year ago
The true meaning in "emo"? I'm pretty sure he was the one who was given credit for the real term, I hate that scene's, depressed(no offense to them) and haters gave that term a new gay meaning, Ian's meaning is better than that shitty new one we have!
ROQFAN 2 years ago
emo the word itself is like the word punk.
its undefinable.
technically since its described as emotional music
alot of music would be emo.
just like how some rap songs would be considered punk.
so labels should never really com into the picture, because labels are misleading, and overall confusing.
like punk, emo would be a reference to the genre's fans(if they even really are)
almost all music has emotion put into it.
people use emo now like they use to use the word "mel"
to describe melancholy
thescarletsilence 2 years ago 2
nctrIs2... me too... but as for the "I love being sad". That's poser bullshit. as punkisALIVEagain said. emos are preps in black, with their own definitive style of music. People like you, who think they are emo, said, "ooohh, depressing lyrics, let's be bipolar".
emos are NOT depressive. If you thionk you have to be, you have issues.
Devin93H 2 years ago
most all hardcore is emo, people think its just an 'angry-type musik' isnt anger an emotion? simply 'red, im seeing red, im seeing red, im seeing red, im seeing reeeeeed' (M.T.) seing red = anger, anger= emotion, emotion in hardcore=emocore but since most harcore is 'emo-attached' its JUST hardcore
-kvn
dusterfiend73 2 years ago
the voice of my generation
vansrok1 2 years ago 4
i love how retarded emo kids watch this thinking it has ANYTHING to do with what emo is now.
XDisintegrationX 2 years ago 91
@XDisintegrationX emo isn't anything now. it's not 1985.
uberscheisse 1 year ago
@uberscheisse It's not 1995. Sunny Day Real Estate took emo away from "Emotive Hardcore" and made it it's own thing. That stuff's the real "emo" to me if ever there was such a genre
halifuckinfan 1 year ago
@XDisintegrationX emo is worse these days. much, much worse.
JukeboxSavage 1 year ago 11
@JukeboxSavage that crap seriously has the potential to fuck kids up. i sound like the pmrc but fuck it...
backwoodsterrorist 11 months ago
FACE THE TRUE EMO FAGGARIO LAME BULLSHlT!
LOOOOL
XXX
AL6025 2 years ago
I just love Ian McKaye.
MeEmoBlack 2 years ago 55
and to vitaminb
i agree with you...
thescarletsilence 2 years ago
no comment.
thescarletsilence 2 years ago
I have to defend actual Emo all the time and in reality its a stupid genre term to begin with just as Ian lays it out here haha.
Vitaminb 2 years ago
The "emo" that he's talking about is a different kind of music altogether from the "emo" that kids talk about today. They're as different as night and day.
When people say emo today they're talking about My Chemical Romance and crap like that, not about embrace, rites of spring, etc.
LuffHandles69 2 years ago 8
two things: 1. old emo is definately better than the new hot topic clone shit they're churning out now a days
2. Its pretty funny that he went on to form a band with two members of Rites Of Spring
Mccampbellthomas 2 years ago
COME ON MAN!
Greeny341 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA! Some dude was seriously pissed about that hahaha.
Vitaminb 2 years ago 2
I've evolved past this topic of conversation, but I'd like to make an addendum. Music is emotional. It encodes emotion, and is intended to create/withdraw emotion in the audience, whether extrinsically or intrinsically. As an aesthetic, "emocore" has become a simple "hipster" culture, composed of consumers of repackaged social movements of the past. It is not alone in this. the problem with these cultures is that they occupy space benignly rather than utlize it for progression. That is all.
Attarraxxia 2 years ago
emo is for homos who dress like japanese girls and poser girls.
hence emo sucks
TOXIC00L 2 years ago
great words! totally agree i mean really since when does emotional music make it emo hardcore is emotional but its not depressing!
soyouwantoskate 2 years ago
haha, amen to that..
tweester9854 2 years ago
I think emo is a sign of love and peace beyond any other. Even if you are a retarded faggot who doesn't wash, someone out there will actually like you.
nonnynay 2 years ago
the Emo, it is just a musical style
you can 't go with fringe, striped suit and mad rats because it is waste of time
character emo is shit
lelo679 2 years ago
ian mackaye = good cunt
asylumbandnz 2 years ago
this is so fucking stupid
i am completely emo and i am completely proud of being depressed all the time!!!!!
etfashley 2 years ago
This is not about you
isn't about the emos of today
They were the creators of the term "Emocore" The labels call them "Emocore"
And they just didn't like it
So you'd better shut your mouth cause you don't know what you're talking about
(and I'm or I was a scene kid so I don't have nothing against the the emos)
SebSalerno 2 years ago
you like being sad all the time. why?
SimpsonsRealLocation 2 years ago
troll?
beeftothetaco 2 years ago
but ur happy 2 be sad what a fuck head
5yndicat3 2 years ago
have fun being depressed
Bananamatic 2 years ago 4
hey man fuck you lets see if ur saying that shit when u get it fuk u
-kvn
dusterfiend73 2 years ago
Nobody likes having depression. Nobody.
chibicurmudgeon 2 years ago
omg ur such a fucking poser seriously
roomwamoose 2 years ago 4
You don't have depression, nobody likes having depression.
go an hero
RoboKirsch 2 years ago
depression is for weak people.u might not like it.
tipitip92 2 years ago
dude rough statement depression is a medical condition that can be caused by outside factors or chemical imbalance in the brain.
uwerthere 2 years ago 2
im emo too
emo was new back then
and if your emo and a cutter
your not emo
your a cutter
emofrogmusic 2 years ago
anyone who says fucking "cutter" is a goddamned idiot
thecodeisred 2 years ago
i hope that was a sarcasm
calopo 2 years ago
nope
milo555a 2 years ago
If you were truly depressed you would not be proud. Your so-called "depression" must be an act for you to fit the "emo" stereotype.
anklepantsmagazine 2 years ago 6
I'm emo I love being sad.
nctrls2 2 years ago
emos are stupid trendy teens. preps in black as i like to say.
punkisALIVEagain 2 years ago 2
go fuck yourself you emo cocksucker.
GEETARS3 2 years ago 4
Well, since what emo is now and what emo was back then were two completely different things - this doesn't hold much weight. And since I'm pretty sure Ian was just making fun of the label they put on his music, it holds even less weight. The point he seemed to be making was all music is emotional... so what's the point in being redundant and calling it emo?
JRC0br4Phyr 2 years ago
What kind of haircut do you have right now?
(DON'T BLAME THE HAIRCUT)
jacketology 2 years ago
What kind of haircut do you have right now?
(DON'T BLAME THE HAIRCUT)
jacketology 2 years ago
emo phillips core!
fattygoatshoulder 2 years ago
do you english speking ones say "it's caca" as a usual expression as it is in spanish?
CTABPOGIN 2 years ago
Not only was "emo" part of the lexicon in hardcore back in the day, but was "scream-o," was too(circa 93-96). I remember hearing that when people described xFrailx or Policy of 3 (that band featured the brother of the guy who wrote NO Loger a FANzine). Gervasi... Great band. Great mag. That family bred well.
gflteFresh 2 years ago
the problem with this video is that it was made in 1986...
Whether he likes it or not the genre of music known as emo has evolved to so much more than just this form of hardcore punk.
It is now a valid musical genre with characteristics that are its own.
Granted I am talking about the modern underground emo scene with bands like Circle Takes the Square and Envy.
myhigherpie2 2 years ago
i love showing this to "certain" people.
frankinberry2012 2 years ago
A lot of bands like to seperate themselves from labels that others coin them with. For example, My Bloody Valentine and the shoegazer wave. They tended to distance themselves from that scene as much as possible. The fact remains that Rites of Spring were extremely influential to emo (the hardcore stuff, not today's pop-rock). Whether you like the term or not, it does serve a purpose, and that's to distinguish a particular sound.
deekismusic 3 years ago
likewise with almost every single math rock band, most notably don caballero and polvo.
oheneys 2 years ago
whatever. it happened. the late 80s DC bands were amazing. call it what you will. they also inspired a lot of great music. so arguing about whatever it's called is stupid. even if you are ian mackaye
xvicomatorium 3 years ago
what really, really ruined emo was the whole "scene kid" thing. long black bangs and lots of hairspray....trying to look all different kinds of punk at the same time...lots of hair dye hot topic clothes. that shit is whats gay.
enlightenednihilist 3 years ago 10
LOL at the burp right at the end.
codeaires 3 years ago
We need Minor threat back
Toolshed54 3 years ago 11
They should re-unite while they're still alive.
codeaires 3 years ago
minor threat is one of the greatest bands ever
ShittyPunkVids 3 years ago
oh definitely...
but yea maybe ian changed his opinion after playing with one of the founders of emocore in fugazi.
didnt dischord records help rites of spring get started?
oh and a lot of emo/indie stuff in the 90's was really good too
like sunny day real estate/smashing pumpkins....junk like that.
enlightenednihilist 3 years ago 2
rites of spring started as a hardcore band though.
zZoiks 2 years ago
I couldn't have said it better myself. Amen, Ian.
jerayami 3 years ago
You can't really denounce one trend while you're responsible for the gayest trend ever to exist (straight edge) Drink a beer and learn how to sing Mackaye, you suck.
guttershark09 3 years ago
Calling straight edge a trend, on the same level that "emo" is a trend, is ridiculious. Straight edge influences everything that people who adhere to it do - it's a lifestyle, not a trend.
Being emo, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't really go past the physical. They aren't on the same level at all.
cloroxx123 3 years ago 2
Your so cool
xARISEMYSOULANDSINGx 3 years ago
Haha.
AlbertMondback 3 years ago
just like any time in the history of rock 'n' roll when a few musicians had enough originality to spark a whole movement, people started defining it as a new genre, and labeling it
and any band with any sense of originality will always refuse to accept such labels
akasaart 3 years ago
hahahah hell yes!!!
givemefire45 3 years ago
whoa wait wait wait..... did ian just drink??
iamemocore 3 years ago
Yeah. Water. Good eyes.
feuerX 3 years ago 9
Ian Knows it
118157 3 years ago
Ouch, I was at this show and felt really bad at the time as my group of friends were frequently having a laugh at the term emo-core. I didn't know that MacKaye had taken offense. I felt like he was lecturing directly to me that night. The comments section does not give me enough room to explain the mid-80s D.C. origins of "Emo"/"Emo-Core", one day I will do a video on it. Any recanting which does not mention one Mr. D. Rickert is not the full story though.
daviswhite 3 years ago
hes just saying that the label they put on him was stupid. not the genre itself. hes pretty much saying that label atop label atop label is fucking stupid.
TheAmazingAwesomeGuy 3 years ago 2
lol all trying to put yourself above it all eh?
too fuckin' late kids, i'm the kind of all this shit, sky high and all that jazz.. why don't you go out and put something back into the scene rather than putting a label on everything to make yourself feel secure with your surroundings?
xx
fagrot 3 years ago
hahaha THAT SHIT WAS FUNNY
CptDroga 3 years ago
is ian drinking a forty in the begining?
ivanberko 3 years ago
YEAH IAN!
SomeKindOfBand 3 years ago 4
grr im madcore
SmokinBabies 3 years ago
emos are fuckin dicks who take everything cool and call it their own. they ruin the names of punk and straight edge by saying they are punks and straight edge. really they're just posers and pussies. being staright edge is an idivdual choice not a fuckin club or social group. and bein a punk is somebody listen to REAL punk music not poser shit. fuck off you stupid emo fucks god damn just invent something new that talent and originality instead of stealing everything. sayin its your own
MaxwellsAxiom 3 years ago 7
hell yeah, dude!
God1208 3 years ago
dude, I agree, I love Embrace, though, and Rites of Spring, even though they were "emotional hardcore", they weren't emo like emo is now, I hate them
sXe53 3 years ago
thank you...thats perfect...
tenstripjustice 3 years ago
Yeah, you're one to talk about who's a tool.
gdrugg2006 3 years ago
jajaja
sebastiancamilomars 3 years ago
Brian Baker Minor Threats, bassist. coined the phrase Emo Core as a joke. Among the scene it was a thing bands did to define them selves. Minor Threat started "Hardcore" once that spread like wildfire they started using other terminology to separate themselve which turned into a joke. SAdcore. emo core, sludge core, homo core etc.....
inspirationxx 3 years ago 3
inspirationxx,its not HOMO core, its quere core
beatles61 3 years ago
Isn't Brian Baker the guitarist?
Kurasuke 3 years ago
Actually a few old I know timers recall that Brian sorta borrowed the term from my buddy Dave "I collect quack medical artifacts & obscure industrial recordings" Rickert who jokingly began referring to several bands of that era and ilk in DC as playing a new type of "emocore"...but Brian's pretty much the most well known source of that lil' phrase....
lilmikesf 3 years ago
great way to start a lie!...by the way, the term hardcore was invented by fans of the teen idols in late 79 or early 80...good try though...
tenstripjustice 3 years ago