fuck reading, in defense of corporations, jensen fucks you

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

4:51 - Just saying, but you've ignored the fact that companies like Exxon have a monopoly and the ability to afford backing by the state. In other words, it's not just people's consumption of their gas which is making them so much profit.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

Are you an egoist? Your analysis/solutions sound very similar to one.

[damerz0405]

I think it should help you whenever reading opinionated work like Jensen not to focus on the intentions or agenda of the author but of the evidence he presents. We can speculate all day on what makes Jensen tick, it would be ridiculous... and of course you aren't the first person to bring up the whole thing about his abuse. Otherwise though I think you make some good points... but yeah, another thing you leave out is "engineered consent". The control in our society lies w/corporations, not ppl.

[regurgitatedlie]

Aight just got to the part where you're comparing reading jensen's books to being raped. That's incredibly offensive to survivors of sexual assault, not least jensen himself, who would no doubt be horrified by your analogy. If you're committed to dismantling heirarchy and oppression, stop using such oppressive and dismissive language. At the very least it alienates you from those who might be your allies.

[regurgitatedlie]

You're ignoring the fact that the capitalist media has huge influence over people's opinions and that corporations create demand for their products. In fact when you ask most people they will not say "sure, let's destroy the landbase we all depend upon to survive." They'll say, global warming is bad but how can we get along without industrial civilization? If there are no bosses, how will anyone work? if people knew how bad dams were then they'd want them down

[kutthroat84]

retarded

[WiiGeee]

i cant think of anything nice to say about this video so i just wont say anything at all.

[slipperypete619]

Waves must have been bad the day this was made.

[miskokinoo]

I don't agree with your comment about Jensen 'mind fuckin' so-called 'jensenites', and that he's depressing, and so on.

His writing and/or talks have a great uplifting effect on me. He's one of the funniest guys I've heard.

As for Jensen 'mind fuckin' you, I don't know...projection perhaps?

[DeadEarthRecords]

For example, the war in Iraq which you cited would not have been desirable to so many people without carefully orchestrated events taking place that were designed to have that very effect, such as fabricated reports of nuclear capabilities, and the fabricated idea that Iraq was behind an act of terrorism against the US on 9/11.

[DeadEarthRecords]

Directed at the specific statements made after 3:30 - You're saying the government, nor corporations, can "make" us do anything, but that when something happens (or doesn't happen) it is because more people independently wished for it to be so, than not. This sounds logical, until you take into consideration the massive influence that the government and corporations have on the things that we common citizens desire.

[JurkoffJay]

Sorry man, but this was a bad video. I don't agree with a lot of the things you said.

[zzz33333]

give it another watch. i am, and i'm digging it more than i did the first time i saw it!

[JurkoffJay]

The ended argument is what I didn't like,

If the corporations didn't manipulate through the media and what not, then I would say the people are to blame as well.

[JurkoffJay]

He's seriously under estimating the power of the media.

[Changeisgood12]

So your saying reading about history, or at least finding the roots and truths about history is a waste of time?

[lifeisasong]

propaghanda is everywhere, your video is propaghanda. fox is propaghanda, billboards are propaghanda. your dad saying jenson is mid raping you is propaghanda. not trying to bash you by the way.

[lifeisasong]

i am reletively new to jensen, have not read any books. but i dont think it is fair to say that he is controling a group of "bitches". ok so you dont buy from corperations as an individual, big deal. its not just you out there. from what i grasp in what you said, jensen is trying to get people to wake up not rape them. at worst maybe its propaghanda, but if you understand the definition of propaghanda and you have recognized a purpose, whats the problem?

[back2nrml]

if anyone is talking shit about Derrick Jensen... Why don't fix your own life before you Dis his.

He isn't the one talking shit. He is well educated.

And actually kid.. you do need books other wise you would be brain dead. Unless you know how to do stuff like feed your self with out supporting some major industry.

This guys sounds like an idiot though so Im done.

[cupofcoffees]

yes, yes. sure that's it. I'm jealous that someone is richer than me. I want 5 porsches and a mansion TOO. that's because it would make my life complete. no man, you got it backwards and you know it. i don't like those corporations because they own ME; not just material items- THEY HAVE SLAVES. if I go to work for 6.50 an hour for a multi-billion dollar company- THAT'S SLAVERY. do i have another option? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE UN-EMPLOYMENT RATES LATELY?maybe I'll be a bourgeois, lemonade stand?

[cbell003]

What people are you talking about?Who wants it like this?you mean the people that are bombarded with NLP and Sublime Ads everywhere? They don't know better. Their minds are not really theirs as of now. They do these things weather there is a majority voting for it or not. That is how they run shit around here in this planet in case you haven't notice.

[awakenDIMD]

Never thought of it that way. Makes a lot of sense. We are the ones who choose to believe that we are being controlled and I think we even like it because that is what we grew up believing and being ok with. About the author, never read the book, in fact, I've never read anything related to civilization but I'm aware of the problem and now I'm starting to question. Great topic.

[BIndeed]

its not rape if you dont say 'no'....

[zzz33333]

really?

i don't think i buy that. is it rape when you fuck the slut who's too drunk to consent? most would agree, yes, it is.

[BIndeed]

incapacitated is a different story.

i would think.

and yes you could say people's unawareness or sleepiness is another form of incapacity, its not like they are walking around in a coma, foaming at the mouths.

is it rape if you're slightly drunk and the 'rapee' is very forecful, and you just go along because you dont care enough to say no, even tho if it were up to you, things would've turned out differently?

[clearysteve]

watch out for the clock monkey....

[TylerDurdenInc]

I have a HUGE problem with what you said about Derrick Jensen. You said he's created a "whole race of little bitches that he mind raped" a.k.a. "Jensenites". I happen to take personal offense to this because I happen to highly respect Jensen and this becomes an attack on me.

As well, I didn't feel "raped" after reading his books. I felt many things while reading, which was nice to feel and not be so apathetic, but not raped. Have you been raped? can you make that comparison?

[TylerDurdenInc]

An example of manipulative advertising.

youtube-

/watch?v=LKFZjg4eGMk

[TylerDurdenInc]

On Free will. People are born into this culture, told a story and they follow it, thats what people do. They believe this is the One True Way. You and I and other questioners are anomalies in the system. Majority of people do not question, do not utilize their so-called "free will". The term sheeple is not a joke. This is not a society of free and critical thinking individuals. I don't know where you've been all this time.. but in the real world, people are not thinking for themselves. Sorry.

[TylerDurdenInc]

Also.. you'd be surprised the overwhelming amount of people that want dams to be down in some areas. You are making strong assumptions about what people want. True in some areas more may want them up, but not true everywhere.

In fact your position of believing everything revolves around what the people want is totally off-base with reality. This is not a democracy.. that's an illusion. Always has been an illusion.

[TylerDurdenInc]

On blo wing up dams. The point is to liberate the fish.. to liberate the river. Not much else. Additionally much of "dam bl*wing up" that is talked of is illegal dams that are supposed to be taken down, but the corps won't pay to do it, they just leave them. They would not rebuild those.

The hopes would be that dam after dam would be taken out, not just one. Nevertheless, this goes back to saving that particular river now and all life therein, not worrying if they will rebuild in the future.

[TylerDurdenInc]

There's a story of a man who was on the beach, he came across thousands of starfish who were stranded and another man was there throwing them back into the ocean one by one. The first man says "what does it matter, you will never save them all" and the man said "it matters to that one, and that one, and that one, and that one, and that one"...

Rivers and dams. It's not about saving them all, or about them rebuilding them.. it's about liberating that-one-river.

[zzz33333]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[TylerDurdenInc]

They don't want to overturn Roe v. Wade.. they want to keep that debate going. It's a distraction to keep people from focusing on more serious issues. Keeping people focused on abortion issues, keeps them from critically thinking about issues that have a real impact on their life. Pro-choice vs. Pro-life (love the choice wording they use - i am both ;) is an issue that will remain until they find a new better distraction.

[funkalunatic]

I call BS on part of your post. Free will has been empirically proven false. You say the public consents to govt/corporate rule and actions. What determines public opinion? Deterministically, our corporate technology-shaped and ad-riddled environment - the Media and the Frame - the appendages of corps/govt. Blaming the public for acting deterministically is as irrational as blaming corporations for doing the same.

[TylerDurdenInc]

I agree. Corporations act on profit. The main goal of a corporation is to make money. How is of no consequence (as in destructive or not). So we CAN blame corporations. Governments main function is to control the masses through force and manipulation. Media is the fourth branch of the government. So as well we CAN blame governments.

Blaming the public is essentially blaming the victims. Like blaming sheep for being led to the slaughter and not the bad "Shepard" for his cruelty and control.

[canaan1967]

He doesn't seem to have a sense of political economy. Effectively he is defending capitalism and the only thing it offers us is coerced toxic consumerism.

[zilchersatya]

no, you don't understand how sensible people's minds are. do you know who edward bernays is? do you really believe all the 12 year olds in the malls have free will?

how is it anything but deeply negative to hear you say over and over again that awakened people will NEVER be the majority?

[cchilder]

i didnt say never would be, but that they arent now. which is precisely the point

[zilchersatya]

the point? you mean, you had to tell us... because we're not aware that there are not enough of us yet? sorry i don't get it...

[SLee290]

Your mom goes to college.

(Napoleon Dynamite)

[desheik]

Your wrong on almost every count. Public opinion was like 90 per cent against the Iraq war worldwide before it started.

[zzz33333]

i didn't even touch that shit. i am uneducated about most current events because i don't have a TV, and i understand them to be distractions from the real issue. but, yeah, i'm ready to believe desheik is correct here.

[TylerDurdenInc]

He is correct. Same goes for approval ratings for Bush, yet he was reelected. There's also a strong majority who wish to see him impeached, yet that's not happening. Meanwhile Clinton was impeached (not convicted) for a blowjob. It's all about who's in control and media coverage and manipulation.

On the other hand we can look at how people blindly approve of these things, like terrorism, the war on drugs, racist issues, 9/11, etc. They are told via media outlets what to think. How to act.

[zzz33333]

i think it's a big mistake to think of this discussion in terms of philosophy. this is not a philosophical discussion. if people don't know the amount of destruction, and try to say

'it's not that bad,' i ask for evidence. when people talk about indigenous life, and say, 'it's just as bad,' i ask for evidence. when people talk philosophically about how civilization is based on working together, i poke 'em fulla holes. don't need books for that.

[cchilder]

i love jensen's writing. its as good as quinn's. he is a little negative but that is no reason not to read him, just his point of view and its equally as valid.

i would recommend Endgame, volumes 1 and 2, very highly. they are axcellent

[zzz33333]

he's not NEGATIVE, for christ's fucking sake, the SYSTEM is fucking NEGATIVE.

Jensen is just telling the truth. Jensen is telling the truth and Quinn was telling a story. that's the difference.

[Hemps]

So I haven't read any jensen, and I know your opinion is that he is mind-raping us with negativity, but if you had to recommend one of his books, which would you? (yes, i am fully aware of the irony)

[cchilder]

absolutely, thats the point. we need to ease ourselves off our dependence on this system. it is possible, the corporations cant stop us from doing it

[bendymind]

Corporations can create want with billions dollar ad campaigns.

[cchilder]

and you can create will power with your brain, for free

[bendymind]

not unless you're aware of what you're missing

[zilchersatya]

exactly, bendymind

[bwhahrhr]

Great video.

[zilchersatya]

no!

[bwhahrhr]

Why?

[zilchersatya]

don't torture me! you're an artist, aren't you?

(i know that's weak, but i have no idea how to tell you inside this... box)

[bwhahrhr]

I read your comment down bellow and somewhat agree. Icq? (Auch gerne ohne über Jensen und co zu labern)

[Hemps]

good vid dude. Keep making 'em, I look forward to what you got to say next.

[cchilder]

thanks

[drschnaggels]

the concept of majority decission is just a lecture from history, the best we have so far. Question is what would you prefer? Because there will always be a world where people have to also work together and thats where confict is created which is why rules were created and the hole majority concept. Even tribes have to get along in the inside.

[cchilder]

its a lot easier to get 200 people to agree than it is to millions to agree

[Elvenass]

So for your way to work, the mayority of mankind must die?

[zzz33333]

regardless of what we do right now, billions of people will die in the inevitable crash of civilization.

[Blackliam]

your videos are excellent

[guiseofyouth]

hmmm... I'm "awake" but I still live off of the grid. There are too many factors that prevent me from just dropping off the grid cold turkey. Soo... it's not mutually exclusive. Mentally I'm not the global majority, but statistically/economically I am.

[cchilder]

i meant: if you are awake then you may or may not live off the grid, but you are not the global majority. i am awake but still very much on the grid. being AWAKE and being PART OF THE GLOBAL MAJORITY are mutually exclusive, not GLOBAL MAJORITY and ON/OFF THE GRID

[cchilder]

oops, that last bit should be: not AWAKE  and ON THE GRID

[dnHooligan]

NSPD51...yes...roe v wade could be overturned.

where we supposed to get water?

lets talk about dan quinn being proud to be a rich-ass elitist consumer.

[cchilder]

it could be overturned, but it hasnt been yet, because more people like it this way

[dnHooligan]

the pres could be a dictator at the snap of a finger.

rivers, lakes, and streams are polluted. most tap water is polluted. more and more wells are becoming polluted every day, thanks to our farming practices.

[zzz33333]

hooligan, that's so negative, man. why are you so negative?

[dnHooligan]

i am a product of society.

i had a lot of potential, once.

this is a crappy way to put it, but have you ever tried to drive to south america, without EVER stopping for gas?

i feel the emptiness of giving away my last piece of bread to a greedy inconsiderate prick.

my negativity shines.

[Hockeyjason]

If the plant is a thing, then..you.. can use it. If the planet (or society) is not a thing it must be an organism. Which automatically causes you to relate to it, a kind of mutually supporting experience. As you both experience, you both change. As you both change, you both mature. As you both mature, you both will change your strategy... As a result of this, CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT.

[bbbleaver]

wow, great vid. i am exhausted talking about, hearing about what's "wrong" too... and the only conversation i see having any value (to me) is, "what am i going to do now..."

[ozjthomas]

Yeah, and I can see what Chris means about it being kind of tiring and depressing if you just focus on the negative stuff.

[zilchersatya]

guys? really?

hey charlie, i understand your exhaustion, but remember how you were told that the problem is you, not being a better person. how active did that make you?

so oz, what's the good news of this video?

[zzz33333]

it doesn't matter how good the people who want to be good are, that will not stop the people who love to be bad.

[zilchersatya]

no it won't, but i want to understand those who i consider friends...