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  • Nice thanks For shared

  • looking forward for more

  • canggih

  • MANTAP Bro I Like This Video ;))

  • @TheJatmikoo ;))

  • ooh wow thats cool

  • Interesting video

  • I'm glad I found your video

  • beautiful ... great work ... tnx for sharing ..

  • We can't see them yet we know their there. Lurking behind dense clouds of dust and debris. These creatures are hiding inside interstellar clouds.

  • double u double u double u penetrate me, yes?

  • I was hoping to see a video where you could see the center of the universe instead of one of the arms. :(

  • I love you ESA and NASA!

  • @Athaeus

    We love you too.

  • You can find the plasma theory that fertilizer is talking about on this channel.

  • How could this actually get a thumbs down. Does Youtube have a automatic Troll.

  • Why are you two idiots debating dark matter and transmutation? Because youtube is swarming with dickheads, that's why.

    Here's a helpful tip for life: PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN DEBATES ON YOUTUBE.

    Have a nice day :D

  • @LeatherCladVegan All the wonders of the universe at their fingertips...And these two guys have to argue about who's the smartest man in the room.....Think your kinda' missing the point fellas'... ( glad to see someone is " getting it " .)

  • @LeatherCladVegan lol agreed

  • That last post was on Wikipedia.. Normally I don't take much stock in wiki, but in this case, other - more reputable sources - agree..

  • Plasma cosmology contradicts the current consensus of astrophysicists that Einstein's Theory of general relativity explains the origin and evolution of the universe on its largest scales, relying instead on the further development of classical mechanics and electrodynamics in application to astrophysical plasmas. While during the late 1980s to early 1990s there was limited discussion of the merits of plasma cosmology, these ideas have generally been rejected by the mainstream cosmology community

  • @JesterAzazel

    Science is not performed by consensus.

    Einstein was a fraud and plagiarist, every idea and equation he published had already been published by actual physicists previously. His ridiculous "thought experiments" showed he didn't even understand the ideas he was plagiarizing.

    Plasma cosmology is the only cosmology rooted firmly in experimental verification. It consists of more than just star gazing and story telling, consequently it boasts more successful predictions than the rest.

  • "You betray your ignorance when you make claims like that."

    LMAO! Ok, Dwight Schrute..

  • which asshole creationist gave this a thumbs down?

  • Sometimes I think fertilizer/Dwight Schrute is being serious, but when I read what he thinks about dark matter, craters, gravitational lensing, etc. I think he's just lonely and he's trying to get people to argue with him because it's the only form of social interaction that he can get..

    Anyone as stupid as he pretends to be surely wouldn't be able to figure out how to get on the internet..

  • @JesterAzazel

    Again you have nothing to add to the discussion but your pointless, meandering series of assumptions and speculations about me. Eat my ass, you fucking troll. Save your opinions about me for the next time your mother comes down to the basement to do your laundry.

  • "dark matter"

    Scientists say different things about dark matter but they all agree on one thing: There's something out there that we can't see.. Since they can't see it, they refer to it as "dark matter"..

    Saying that dark matter doesn't exist is a tantamount of saying that you've seen everything in the universe..

  • "Craters are not caused by falling rocks. Planets are not ""play-dough".

    That's especially funny because if you throw a chunk of lead, you will see a small dent in the ground..

    I know this because I recently found a chunk of lead weighting about 30-40 pounds, and when I dropped it, it made a dent in the ground..

    Now imagine a "falling rock" with a MUCH greater weight..

    Leave it to fertilizer to deny something that you can go prove in your back yard..

  • ps..will we still be seeing u after 2012? fallatorspike...lol

  • amazing ! 

  • 1,337 views! ^.^

    Very nice video!!!

  • Ahh Jesus more "electric universe" zombies. When will this fringe shit die. I thought science moved away from this sort of crap long ago. This is the modern equivalent of alchemy, a festering sore on the ass of actual science. Brane theory makes more sense than this.

    Plasma is super heated gas, gas that has gotten so hot and into which so much energy has been transferred it has become ionized. The basic understanding of this is the flaw in the entire quackery that is the electric universe.

  • @fertilizerspike lol

    It doesnt have any track record to speak of. It hasnt been able to successfully predict anything right. You think that black holes aren't real and saturns rings are just illusions when both things have been observed and are known to exist as a FACT.

    Plasma is ionised matter. However, it is always a gas, and most plasma is formed at very high temperatures, (like that in the sun) or strong electrical discharges like lightning.

  • @fertilizerspike You are still unable to explain why, despite being a repulsive force as well as attractive, astronomical bodies are only ever seen attracting one another. There should be an equal amount of repelling being done, yet there is none whatsoever.

    The sun is plasma, yes, however none of the planets are. No planet has an overall charge, and neither does the sun. YOU need charged bodies to exist, yet no charged astronomical body does.

  • What power of telescope would be sufficient to view these nebulae?

  • @h0lystrike To get the best image, these pictures are just false colour images using light from outside the visible spectrum.

    Like the video said, you need infra-red or radio telescopes to see anything other than a dark cloud.

  • Ears bleeding from sparkles sound effect;

  • excellent.

  • Thank you, Jane Houston Jones! You've got a great job! Thanks for the information!

  • JPL - gisajob....please I'll work for peanuts.

  • OMG, Astronomers found the Celestial Tea Pot!

  • I'm about to get into amateur astronomy and my first official purchase will be an Orion Skyquest XT-10 (Classic). Super... SUPER... excited.

  • @Krumbz2003

    Thats a nice scope Krumbz - welcome to the wonderful world of the weary-eyed!

  • @NatureWasFirst

    Thanx dude!

  • Nicely narrated and composed

  • This video repeats the popular fable that emission nebulae are "glowing gas" that's "excited" by some nearby source, in this case the suggestion is made that the source is "hot stars".

    These nebular are not neutral "gas" and they are not lit because they are heated by nearby stars. The universe uses efficient phenomena, these nebulae are by electric discharge, not inefficient "heating" until they are hot enough to give off visible light.

  • @fertilizerspike things dont need to be that hot to give of visible light.

    The science behind all this is well understood and doesnt rely on magic like your electric universe.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    There's nothing "magic" about electricity or the idea that over 99%% of the observable universe is plasma. Try and catch up.

  • @fertilizerspike No there isnt anything magical about electricity. However, what electricity is, and what you think/want electricity to be are two very different things and the latter requires electricity to have properties which it doesn't have, ie magic.

    Stars are made of plasma, big deal.

    And what is plasma? Oh yes, superheated gas.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Plasma is not "superheated gas", plasma is ionized or "charged" matter. Plasmas are dominated by electric and magnetic forces, they ignore "gravity" models.

    Why don't you explain what it is I've said about or want electricity to be that's magical. I'd venture to say you won't come up with anything, because you're talking out your ass. Gravity is not what you think/want it to be, it's a misunderstanding that explains nothing only shifts understanding further away.

  • @fertilizerspike How do you think the elements are ionised? Its by heating it up to very high temperatures so that the electrons have enough energy to escape the electrostatic force holding them to the nucleus.

    You havent been able to explain how electricity can take the place of gravity. Gravity only attracts, EM attracts and repels yet we only ever see attraction between astronomical bodies. Is the earth + and the sun -? What are we then? Also -'s? Then why dont we repel each other?

  • @fertilizerspike So, I know the EM force is both attractive and repulsive (attraction with -+ and +-) (repulsion with -- and ++) yet we never see planets repelling things, we never see stars repelling each other, we never see galaxies forcing each other away. They only ever attract. Something you cannot account for unless all these things have opposite charges.

    Which they dont. None of them have any charge. They are all neutral. Gravity however, accounts for it all.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Every body in the solar system is made of matter, and most of them enjoy a "positive" charge with respect to the massive, weak radial electric field powering the sun. With respect to each other, the planets enjoy differing degrees of this "positive" charge. Suggesting the planets are "neutral" is absurd in the extreme. All matter enjoys some degree of electric charge. Nothing is truly "neutral" just as there is no "perfect vacuum".

  • @fertilizerspike it doesnt need to be a perfect vacuum. Electrons are -ve, and protons are positive. All elements and molecules which are not ionised have an equal number of protons and electrons, thus their overall charge is 0.

    Besides, that doesnt explain why the moon orbits the earth or why things fall when you drop them. It only (incorrectly) tries to explain the structure of the solar system.

  • @fertilizerspike in order for us to be attracted to the "positive" earth, we would have to have an overall negative charge. That means that humans would repel each other, the sun and the moon which must all have -ve charges to be attracted to the earth. Yet we are not repelled by each other, and people have walked on the moon, so they couldnt of had the same charge.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Any time you have charged bodies able to interact electrically (as in a plasma), gravity is mooted, electromagnetic forces dominate. This is verified by repeated experiments that are readily reproduced.

    Your claim that bodies must have "opposite charge" to be attracted toward each other is cartoonish and incomplete. Birkeland currents with identical "charges" and current densities are attracted toward each other as described by "gravity laws", yet the attraction is magnetic.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    The force between two birkeland currents causes them to twine and braid around each other, because it is attractive at a distance and repulsive as the filaments get very close together. We observe this in the lab, we observe braided filaments in space, the same forces are responsible for attraction between bodies in space, not this imaginary "force" called "gravity".

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Try looking into the "gravity probe B" experiment, the researchers in charge of those experiments refer to "gravity" in terms of electric and magnetic effects, not this metaphysical notion with no empirical referent that is not tied in any way but philosophically to reality.

  • @fertilizerspike They simply showed that gravity has a dragging effect similar to electromagnetism. No surprise there, as gravity cant go faster than light.

    You've just managed to confuse yourself in ignorance. No surprises there either. 

  • @fertilizerspike Um, in regard to the GP-B, the researchers most certainly do not refer to gravity in terms of electromagnetic forces. They describe gravity the way everybody doing General Relativity work does, with equations from Einstein, Lense and Thirring. What on Earth were you reading?

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Your repeated insistence that electricity is somehow "magic" is beyond laughable. If you're unable to discuss this subject at hand without continually referring to your assumptions and speculations and wishful thinking about me, I'll have to block you like I did all the other trolls.

  • @fertilizerspike electricity isnt magic. What you want electricity to be is magic. I know what electricity really is. You want it to be something it is not. Plasma is a gas which has been heated up to temperatures high enough for it to be ionised. You think that because something now has a +ve charge, it now creates its own electricity.

    First, explain how electrostatic forces can account for the purely attractive force between mass.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    I'll tell you again, there's nothing "magic" about electricity in space. Plasmas are not merely "a gas which has been heated up", heat is irrelevant. Plasmas are ionized or "charged" matter, and by all accounts it's the fundamental state of matter, over 99% of matter in the universe exists in this state. It really is an electric plasma universe.

  • @fertilizerspike 99% of matter exists in stars. Stars are made of plasma. Nobody, since the discovery of the make-up of stars has said otherwise. However, what you are doing is saying elements and molecules with a +ve charge suddenly create electricity from nothing and use only half of the force to attract, and ignoring the laws of physics, and never repel.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    I didn't say anything about "electrostatic forces", and to be honest I'm not sure what you mean by "electrostatic". I wasn't aware electricity could be "static". Maybe you could try to explain it again so it's not too confusing for me.

  • @fertilizerspike Also, how does plasma ignore gravity models? Gravity is a very weak force and just isnt used for things like plasma unless there is enough of it to have a large enough mass (like with the sun)

    For things to be attracted to each other with the EM force, there must first be an overall charge on the body. Both the sun and the earth (and any other body in the solar system) has no overall charge, thus cannot be attracted to each other using your theory, unless electricity is magic.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    It's firmly-established by laboratory experiment that plasmas are negligibly affected by gravity, and are dominated by electric and magnetic forces, which affect plasmas at least thirty times more strongly than does this imaginary "force" called "gravity". That's is "how plasma ignores gravity models". Electric and magnetic forces dominate the universe on every scale.

  • @fertilizerspike well obviously. Gravity is weak. Electromagnetism is magnitudes of strength stronger. Thus anything which has an overall charge is going to be dominated by the EM force. However, plasma is still matter, and when you have a sufficient quantity it is observed obeying gravity (like in stars)

  • @BlackRaptor31

    The sun and the planets all enjoy an electric charge. The radial electric field powering the sun causes "double layers" in the plasma around the sun. Each "layer" enjoys a drastically different charge than the next, and most of the voltage potential exists right at the boundary layers. Bodies within each layer thus enjoy different "charge" than bodies in other layers. One such layer is near the orbit of Jupiter, where some comets are known to flare.

  • @fertilizerspike except the sun and the planets dont have an electric charge...

  • @BlackRaptor31 Bingo. To the electric universe believers, plasma is their holy grail, and electricity their philosophers stone. It is the modern day equivalent of alchemy for astrophysics. While some useful ideas will no doubt evolve from it, it has no real basis as a theory explaining the things it claims to explain.

    Essentially the electric universe theory is:

    1: Plasma can be made with electricity

    2: The universe has a lot of plasma in it.

    3: ???

    4: Profit

  • @EmperorofCartoons

    There's nothing about plasma or electricity that is like a "holy grail", these phenomena are well-understood and readily reproducible.

    It is the only contemporary cosmology that's rooted in experimental verification and direct observation, not speculation and wishful imagining.

    Your summary should be more like this:

    1. over 99% of the universe is plasma

    2. plasmas are dominated by electromagnetic forces and ignore gravity

    3. over 99% of the universe ignores gravity

  • @fertilizerspike point 2 is incorrect. It doesnt ignore gravity. Gravity acts on mass. EM only acts on charges. Stars are not charged, but they do have mass thus they obey gravity.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    It's not incorrect, you're just ignorant.

    Do some research, learn the properties and behaviours of plasmas, then we can discuss this intelligently. Until then, your position of weakness (ignorance) does neither of us any good.

  • @fertilizerspike I know how plasma works and behaves. You clearly dont as you seem to thing that a plasma lamp is a good example of a star.

  • @fertilizerspike

    1 2 and 3 are also wrong. Baryonic matter (e.g. stars) are not even 5% of the universe.

    If the universe had ignored gravity if would not be so flat and wouldnt have had last so long.

  • @VannevarBush

    No, they're not wrong, they simply conflict with your beliefs.

    It's been shown by repeated observations that plasma accounts for well over 99% of the observable universe. Only ignorant astronogers and the people who share their belief systems believe in "dark matter" and "dark energy" being over 95% of the universe, leave it to the delusional to imagine the vast majority of the universe is unobservable. That's not science, it's pathological.

  • @fertilizerspike You still cant spell astronomers right...

    WMAP determined that the universe is flat, from which it follows that the mean energy density in the universe is equal to the critical density. Thus only 4.6% of the universe can be made out of stuff we can observe directly.

    Oh, you still havent explained away gravitational lensing as an observed phenomenon. We have seen galaxies bend light around them. You cant explain that with your magic electromagnets either.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    I can spell astronomers just fine, what you fail to realize is that astronogers are not astronomers, they are not scientists.

    The universe is not "flat". Is this like flat-Earth or what? Give me a break.

    Your claim that we can only directly observe less than 5% of the universe is absurd on its face. Astronogers rely on "unobservable" matter and phenomena to explain what they don't understand.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    As for "gravitational lensing", gravity has never been shown to have any such effect on light, electromagnetic forces can, however, bend and even polarize light, not "gravity".

    Such lensing in space is speculative. Assuming you know light is "bent" when you don't know the initial conditions is like suggesting train cars are missing from a train you've never seen before.

    Electromagnetic forces CAN explain lensing, but we haven't verified any such lensing yet.

  • @fertilizerspike photons dont have a charge. They cant be "lensed" by magnetism. Deny it all you like, but gravitational lensing has been observed. Light bends around objects with a high gravitational field (stars, black holes and galaxies have all been seen to lense light)

    Its well understood, and well documented and complies completely with the theory of relativity and gravity. Just like all the evidence gathered so far.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Apparently you're not familiar with the "zeeman effect" or the "faraday effect", which deal with bending and polarizing of light by electromagnetic forces. Your belief is not required.

    No such "lensing" in space has ever been verified. In every case where "lensing" is said to take place, we have no knowledge of the state of the light we're observing before it reaches us, assuming it in a previously different state is like assuming cars are missing from a train you've never seen.

  • @fertilizerspike Wrong, yet again. The Zeeman Effect applies to emitted light, the magnetism acts on the source atom, not the photon. And the Faraday Effect is only valid for propagation of light in a medium (once again, acting on mater not the light) and leads to a phase rotation, not refraction. Unless you can provide a paper, I have yet to (and likely never will knowing you) see ANY material suggesting an EM alternative to gravitational lensing observations.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Despite your insistence, there is absolutely no evidence that gravity can "bend" light. This is nonsensical metaphysical speculation that has never been verified by experiment or observations.

    Presumed lensing in space, if it even takes place, is electromagnetic in nature, not due to "gravity" somehow "bending space". It has never been verified, if it ever was verified, electromagnetic explanations would suffice without inventing "bent space".

  • @fertilizerspike For starters, the picture taken by the Hubble telescope of galaxy cluster Abell 1689 in 2004 is observational evidence of gravitational lensing.

    Yes, look up Abell 1689. It is a real galaxy cluster and the picture of it is real.

  • @fertilizerspike

    Gravity can bend light. You are a liar when you say scientists have never observed this phenomenon. But i am talking to some fuckwit who thinks he is superior in mind than of people like Einstein and Hawking.

    You are a nobody and your claims should not be taken seriously based on no evidence whatsoever. Isn't that right "Mr Electroverse".

  • @fertilizerspike I'm curious, did you ever look up the pictures taken by Hubble of Abell 1689 that shows gravitational lensing?

  • @BlackRaptor31

    If you think this "lensing" exists, feel free to explain to everyone where it's taking place, surely astronogers have named them, like they did "einstein cross". Oh, don't mention "einstein cross", that has been shown to be give objects in physical contact with one another, not two objects, one in front of the other in perfect alignment with our line of sight.

  • @fertilizerspike

    ELECTROMAN (fertilizerspike) is back everyone.

    This guy dismisses gravity as a force of nature.

    He also thinks the "pioneer anomaly" proves this.

    He has been watching too much "Project Camelot" IMO

    He is a narcissist who can not be reasoned with.

    Do not waste your time on this nut job.

  • @ScienceIsKnowledge

    Still waiting for instances of this "gravitational lensing" that have been "verified". Feel free to post those up any time.

  • @fertilizerspike hello again u wrongheaded fool! we always seem to be bumping into each other.

  • @jeebersjumpincryst

    Eat my ass, you fucking troll. Save your opinions about me for the next time your mother comes down to the basement to do your laundry.

  • @fertilizerspike "Oh, don't mention "einstein cross", that has been shown to be objects in physical contact with one another"

    Do you actually have a source on that? Because, once again, none of the papers or journals I have access to mention this problem.

  • @BlackRaptor31 Dude you are wasting your time arguing with the aptyl named "Fertilizer" there. Pseudo scientist aficionados are like religious nuts, you cant argue anything with them using facts because the very nature of their belief system disregards the facts you use.

    Its like arguing with a conspiracy fanatic. They will always just claim whatever you say is a part of the conspiracy you have "fallen" for.

  • @EmperorofCartoons A lot of people who follow plasma cosmology are in fact conspiracy theorist.

    If you go to websites supporting plasma cosmology, you will see the same type of denial that you get from fertilizerspike.

  • @BlackRaptor31 Notice how he claims that gravitational lensing, which has been observed several times and verified to exist, doesnt exist because we dont know the "state" of the light before it was observed. Which itself depends on his own chosen pseudo science's theories that light has some other state to be observed in. Instead of providing proof that this is so, he attack the accepted fact that it isnt.

  • @EmperorofCartoons He claims gravitational lensing is just hypothetical and doesn't really exist. At the same time he claims the bending of light is caused by electromagnetism.

  • @LordBrakensiek

    Still waiting for instances of this "gravitational lensing" that have been "verified". Feel free to post those up any time.

  • @fertilizerspike First off, general relativity predicted that gravity can bend light. There was no empirical proof until gravitational lensing was first observed.

    Abell 1689 is a gravitational lensed object. I'm not going to repeat this again.

  • @LordBrakensiek

    There's no experimental verification of the notion that "gravity" can bend light. If you know of some experiments that showed that, feel free to cite them here.

  • @fertilizerspike Astronomy... all astronomy, is an observational science. Your precious theory is just as enthralled by this limit as any other. By demanding experimentation you deny your own position... because no matter what plasma does in the lab (something I know you don't actually know) the fact that you can't put a star in a test tube means your claims are no less theoretical prediction than anyone else's.

  • @fertilizerspike "...I could probably make 50 posts."

    I'm sure you could... just as I'm sure that like all the rest of your posts, not one of them would contain an actual citation to an actual source, because I suspect that you haven't ever read a single scientific paper in your life. You're obviously just quoting lists from some Electric Universe svengalli, as you obviously couldn't understand the original material even if you could find it.

  • @fertilizerspike "Since you chose to abuse the spam flagging process..."

    Guess what. I have never once flagged your material as spam. In fact, I'm often unflagging your stuff. You really need to realize that your personal paranoias do not amount to actual information. Neither does your pathetic list of claims count as either verification , citation or source references, and if you had an education even half equal to your ego, you'd know that.

  • @fertilizerspike Look, I'm tired of this. Nothing you have posted, as far as I can see, is anything like a real citation. And in those rare cases where you at least mention a name, half the material you seem to be referring to is irrelevant, and the rest just demonstrates your ignorance of the material itself, or your reliance on well known conspiracy theorists. If you actually bother to show any change in this respect, I may bother looking at it... but I have no more time for your nonsense.

  • @LordBrakensiek said:

    "Abell 1689 is a gravitational lensed object."

    Your bald assertion that "Abell 1689" is a "lensed object" is not convincing to me. Astronogers say this object is "warping space" because there are "curved" objects near it.

    No effort is made by astronogers to rule out other causes for this "curvature" of objects, which is interpreted by astronogers as "curvature of space". Space is a virtual coordinate system, it can not be "curved" by matter.

  • @fertilizerspike

    Halton Arp discovered many things about "abell clusters". They have few "normal" galaxies. They occur in lines. They "cluster" around active galaxies like "QSO" do. They're often "paired" around such galaxies. They display absolutely no "hubble relationship" (redshift=distance=velocit=age­). They are "bridged" by matter emitting x-rays. If "lensing" was responsible the incidence would increase with fainter magnitudes, instead it levels off. "Gravitational lensing" is wrong.

  • @fertilizerspike

    Plasma pinches demonstrate both radial and concentric filamentary structures. This is what we see in "abell clusters", not "gravitational lensing" but a plasma pinch, an effect of electric discharge in plasma.

    Circular morphology is exhibited because we have an axial view of it. We observe the same phenomenon in the lab. The "hot gas" interpretation of these objects is also a physically flawed model, this is plasma at work, not "hot gas" and "gravitational lensing".

  • @fertilizerspike

    Astronogers are willfully blind to electrical effects in space. I can't say why.

    When they see "abell 1689" they see high "redshift" in the "curved" objects, that tells them old age, vast distance, high recessional velocity, older. This "redshift" indicates a very YOUNG age of highly ionized plasma.

    Astronogers can only summon up "gravity lensing" to explain their "distance", electric universe explains this as recently-ejected material.

  • @fertilizerspike

    TROLL

  • @LordBrakensiek

    Astronogers can only explain what they see as a preposterously large yet for some reason not visible mass because they ignore electrical effects in space. What we can see in "abell 1689" is about 1% of the mass astronogers claim is there causing this "gravity lensing". It's absurd on its face to suggest 99% of ANYTHING is unobservable "dark matter". Gravity models are wrong, they routinely fail, "dark matter" was invented ad hoc to kludge it to fit the observations.

  • @LordBrakensiek

    Yes there is TROLL

  • @BlackRaptor31 People like him are just like those fundamentalists who think red shift can be caused by "slow light": even though no such thing has ever been remotely demonstrated to be possible.

    These people pick a theory that either sounds cool or supports their world view and try to find ways of supporting it instead of observing and trying to theorize what caused their observation

    They have the scientific method ass backwards.

  • @fertilizerspike

    Okay so if dark matter does not exist, how do you explain flat rotation curves of galaxies, gravitational lensing effects (which have been observed since 1921 on and on) seeding of nucleosynthesis and condensation of population III -stars?

    You can calculate the curvature of the universe by Friedmann-equations and it is confirmed by WMAP observations.

    btw: Dark Matter is not unobservable...it isn't just luminous. Dark Energy is a different story.

  • @VannevarBush

    Galaxies are homopolar motors, driven by electric discharge, not gravity. We don't have to imagine "black hole" in the center or "dark matter" sprinkled wherever gravity models continue to fail in order to explain the shape and motion of galaxies, electric and magnetic forces dominate.

    As for the "curvature of the universe", I'm not even going to address here how idiotic the very notion of the universe being "curved" is.

  • @VannevarBush

    As for "gravitational lensing", gravity has never been verified to have any such effect on light. In fact every relevant experiment ever performed suggests gravity has NO effect on light. Electromagnetic forces can bend light, however, as well as polarize it.

    If you know of some experiments (not just observation and speculation) that show such an effect, please cite them here.

  • @VannevarBush

    1. The universe is filled with plasma, over 99% of the observable universe is matter in a plasma state.

    2. Plasmas are negligibly affected by "gravity", they ignore the dictates of gravity models and instead are dominated by electric and magnetic forces.

    3. The universe is dominated on every scale by electric and magnetic forces, well over 99% of the observable universe does not follow "gravity" models.

  • @EmperorofCartoons

    You could also continue it:

    4. every light we see in space is lit electrically

    5. stars are powered by electric discharge

    6. craters are caused by electric discharge

    7. planets form in electric discharges

    8. galaxies are transient plasma instabilities

    9. electric and magnetic forces dominate the universe on every scale (across at least forty orders of magnitude)

    All this is verified experimentally as valid, none requires assumption of facts not in evidence.

  • @fertilizerspike 4,5,6,7,8 and 9 are all wrong.

    4)Light from stars is powered by nuclear fusion. That is well understood and accounts for all the evidence.

    5)again wrong, see 4)

    6)no they are not. Craters are caused by collisions between say a planet and an meteor. This has been observed.

    7)no they dont. We have never seen a planet form, and electrical discharges dont create matter

    8)wrong again, galaxies are a collection of stars orbiting a common centre of mass

  • @BlackRaptor31

    No, they're not wrong, they just contradict your beliefs. Stellar fusion has been falsified by many lines of evidence. Stellar fusion can not reasonably account for any observed features of the sun. Stars are powered by electric discharge.

    Craters are not caused by falling rocks, they are caused by electric discharges. Everywhere we find craters we find no rocks fallen from space, everywhere we see rocks fallen from space we see no craters. Your beliefs are falsified.

  • @fertilizerspike lol wut? when meteor impacts happen on earth they leave craters. This cannot be denied because people have actually seen the impact.

    But you can do an experiment. Get some play-dough, make a blob then drop a rock on it.

    You'll see that the play-dough gets a dent where the rock lands. Same sort of thing when asteroids hit planets.

    Craters are the remains of an impact. You dont need to have a continuous falling of rocks. Your logic is flawed.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    No crater has ever been observed as a result of a meteorite impact. Everywhere we find meteorites we find no craters, everywhere we find craters we find no meteorites. Craters are not caused by falling rocks. Planets are not ""play-dough".

    We observe many things that falsify impact models:

    o - craters on rims of craters

    o - overlapping craters

    o - aligned craters

    o - flat crater floors

    o - steep crater walls

    o - raised central pylons

    None have impact model explanations.

  • @fertilizerspike Yes craters have been observed.

    Crater rims with craters? Smaller rocks hit the edge of the impact site of a bigger roct.

    Overlapping craters? rocks hitting in almost the same place

    aligned craters? Yes, what exactly do you even mean by that? Rocks landing next to each other?

    Flat crater floors? Erosion, time, +they are never really flat

    Crater walls? Easy, that fits the fact that craters are impact sites.

    We have never seen electricity or plasma make craters...

  • @BlackRaptor31

    You're simply wrong. Impact models do not adequately explain the overwhelming majority of craters we observe in the universe. Impact models can't explain the various features of observed craters without repeated ad hoc and peculiar conditions necessary for which there is no evidence. All these "anomalous" features of craters find reasonable explanations if we conclude they were carved and blasted by electric discharges.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Craters with smaller craters are their rims are readily explained in terms of electric discharge. The rims are higher, that's where quenching discharges strike after the main strike.

    Overlapping craters is a common phenomenon in electric discharge machining, very uncommon from "random" scattering of falling rocks. Overlapping craters are very common on bodies in space.

    Steep walls and flat floors: more verification of electric discharge machining, no as hoc conditions to meet

  • @ScienceIsKnowledge

    I see you have nothing to refute the information I've given so you again stoop to name-calling and cheerleading. No surprise.

  • @fertilizerspike stellar fusion has never been falsified. You have never been able to put any evidence forward as to how it has, and interestingly you have never been able to explain away my pointing out of the flaws in your hypothesis. Why does all matter attract? You cant answer that. You've never even tried. EM attracts and repels yet planets, stars and galaxies are only ever seen attracting. You are wrong.

  • @BlackRaptor31

    Yes, stellar fusion is falsified, many times over.

    Sunspots reveal the surface of the sun is cooler than the photosphere above it. If the sun were powered internally by any means, this would not be the case, it would be hotter under the photosphere, not cooler. This one observation falsifies stellar fusion. Ignore it at your intellectual peril. That's one fact that's never going to change, the sun is not powered internally (by fusion or any other means). The sun is electric.

  • @fertilizerspike

    You are possibly the dumbest person ever.

    Sunspots do not prove that the sun isn't heated from inside, anymore than a glacier proves that the earth isn't heated from the inside. Both are naturally occurring phenomena as a result of the energy transfers on the surface of turbulently heated bodies.

    You cannot POSSIBLY believe that stellar fusion has been falsified. There is overwhelming evidence for it. You must be fucking with people.

  • @supowit

    You betray your ignorance when you make claims like that.

    Sunspots reveal a cooler surface beneath the photosphere. Feel free to explain why it does not. The Earth is heated externally by the sun, a wood stove is heated internally. Stoves don't have glaciers on them, and the temperature doesn't drop as you get closer to it. Kindly pull your head out of your ass. Did you even think about this shit or just blurt it out. Rhetorical question.

  • @fertilizerspike

    Um, no. There is no point in arguing with you. Stupidity like yours is stubborn and knows no bounds.

    Good luck in crazy land, Mr. "I'm smarter than all of the physicists of the past hundred years."

  • @supowit

    There definitely is no point in arguing with me, because I'm not going to argue with you. Shut up and take notes and try and learn something, that's my advice.

    I never said I was "smarter than all of the physicists of the past hundred years". For one thing, most physicists agree with me. Belief in "big bang", in "dark matter", in "dark energy", in "black hole", in the idea that space is filled with "gas" and not plasma disqualifies one as a scientist (or physicist for that matter).

  • @fertilizerspike

    Wrong on so many counts:

    1- The earth is heated both internally AND externally.

    2- A number of cool spots on the sun surface indicates heterogeneity of plasmic buildup.

    3- The rest of the sun surface is hotter than sunspots, and hotter than the photosphere.

    4- The internal temperature of the sun exceeds the surface temperature by millions of degrees.

    5- The presence of the fusion series of elements within the sun, and within EVERY star indicates internal fusion.

    You-science: F

  • @supowit

    1- The Earth is heated externally, not internally.

    2- The "cool spots" on the sun indicate the surface is cooler than the photosphere above it, falsifying stellar fusion models.

    3- Your speculation that sunspots reveal peculiarly cool spots is unfounded, the entire surface is as "cool" as sunspots are. The photosphere is NOT the surface.

    4- The "internal temperature" of the sun has been erroneously derived using black body formulae.

    5- Electric discharges transmute matter.

  • @fertilizerspike

    YOU ARE HIGH!!! ELECTRIC CHARGES TRANSMUTE MATTER????

    No one has EVER observed electric charge transmuting matter! Nuclear Fusion, FIssion, and decay are The ONLY observed processes leading to change in nuclear charge!

    HOLY SHIT! If you are serious, you should flagellate yourself.

  • @supowit

    Actually you're wrong, electric discharge is known to transmute elements. Lightning can transmute oxygen atoms into sulfur, for example.

    There are even industrial processes where this phenomenon is exploited.

    You might also want to check into all the research into "sustained" fusion, all of which exploit electric and magnetic fields to initiate and sustain fusion.

    Welcome to the twentieth century, now you're just a century behind science.

  • @fertilizerspike

    Furthermore (I have no idea why I'm doing this), if the earth were heated only from external sources, the temperature gradient would uniformly decrease from the surface to the core. This is exactly opposite of the case. Any fucking 9th grader could tell you that.

  • @supowit

    Sorry, one mistake. Electron or positron absorption can change nuclear charge, but beta absorption would DECREASE nuclear charge, which would make no sense as a solar process given the evidence, and positron absorption is a ridiculous idea, since positrons would first be attracted to electrons and cause obliteration rather than hit the positively charged nucleus of an atom and transform a neutron into a proton.

    I can't believe I just wasted my time explaining that.