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  • I was actually just put on an enforced 3mth. sabbatical from the therapeutic program that i've been attending for the past year and am without any help yet again for the time being. This decision was based on a personal conflict with an individual therapist that I couldn't connect with. When i asked the program's supervisor how to fix things with her, i was told to "Make an effort" & that if i was 8yrs old, he would actually label me with "Oppositional Defiance Disorder". Talk about degrading

  • I'm really sorry to hear that you've given up on finding help, even though I can certainly understand why you would. It may be worth looking around for alternative resources ~for example, i currently attend a weekly free 'Outsider's Art Workshop' that holds regular exhibitions and provides a safe & supportive atmosphere in which to express ourselves.

  • @ChrysalisBound Actually I do phone therapy with somebody because I haven't gotten anywhere with the other professionals. He looks at me as a person and it has been more helpful than anything I have done before. Unfortunately there is no insurance and I'm paying full price. If you go outside the "system" and see those few good people it can be very expensive. It is too bad that things are that way. Thank you for the input. I hope the workshop is going well for you.

  • @ChrysalisBound That is degrading. It sounds like those professionals are the ones who could use help in how to deal with people. I think some of them are more troubled than the people they treat. It is sad but don't listen to them and don't let them get you down.

  • I first saw this video a little over a year ago and came across it again.Sorry about the difficulty you have had. It is too bad that people in these so-called "helping professions" or "caring professions" give you an attitude when you have the courage to seek help and do something that is very difficult. I think many of those professionals don't look at you as a person and just want to slap a label on you.That is why I gave up on them. Some of them have no business dealing with people.

  • It's very, very generous of those of you who vlog about these things. Thanks.

  • TY Rose!

    Its all a part of the healing~*

  • I have really bad depression I was referred by my doctor to see a psychiatric nurse because i was self harming and really suicidal she told me off for being there and said my doctor should not of referred me so she was no help, plus she said there are no magic pills so I stopped taking my medication. Now i have given up going to the doctors because there's no point. I just ride with the emotions and just take drugs or drink too much when i cant cope.

  • The way that you were treated is inexcusable. While its true that pills aren't a cure, the right medication, when combined with therapy, can be truly life changing. I understand how hard it is to keep asking for help when you've been treated with such contempt, but please don't give up. I finally got into a wonderful program after repeated attempts at seeking help and it was worth it in the long run. Is there any way that you can get seen for a proper evaluation by a psychiatrist? (((hugs)))

  • atleast your guy looked at your file....my guy didnt read my file...he asked me why i was there....i said ummm doesnt it say in my file? gee

  • That's really rough when they're completely clueless and you have to go back to the very beginning and explain everything all over again. Especially when you're dealing with a perfect stranger. I suppose it would have helped in my case if the diagnosis had actually been correct ~given that it wasn't, it kind of worked against me, LOL. There's no winning at this game Bella!! Sigh ...its exasperating at times, isn't it! Will you at least have a regular pdoc now to follow you for your meds?

  • Yeah, when I went to the county clinic....I had a temp..he was a pediatric psychiatrist....and so I won't see him next time. I got diaganosed as schizoaffective and im on risperdal and prozac now. I think they are placebos.

  • I'm glad that you finally got to see someone. It blows though when you end up playing musical pdocs. Even though i'm supposed to have a regular pdoc because of the program that i'm currently in ~i ended up waiting 7hrs in emerg to see someone about medication very recently. Wait and see with the meds ~people react so differently to them, and it can be unpredictable, especially at first.

  • I agree about evaluation i went to the county place and had to answer lots of questions before i could get an appointment for an eval and i was so nervous....its tough to tell some stranger your personal issues....especially if its stuff you dont think they believe...and then they give me an appointment for 2 months from now...pffft

  • Thanks Bella! Sorry to hear that the wait is so long ~it can be tortuous, especially when you are struggling. Those giving the evaluations oftentimes seem completely clueless as to how stressful it can be to answer their questions. If you end up feeling like they aren't taking you seriously or don't believe you, then that just adds to your distress. I hope that you get something sorted out ~hang in there!

  • Oh I called a private dr. and can get in with them on the 3rd of next month....just the anxiety of waiting.....plus ill have to go over everything all over..the questions...like it's nerve wrecking....

  • oh yeah...i said that before you did...well in a way...i mean you said it hen you made this video and i saw this video only just now...so technically you saif it first when you made the video but i said it before you did whist watching..are you canadaian

  • Yes indeedy, I'm Canadian :)

  • borderline?

  • I was misdiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder around 10yrs ago ~my current diagnosis is actually Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I do however have a couple of borderline traits and therefore some understanding of it.

  • Oh right....I'm going because I have thoughts that arent mine....and plus people think my thoughts are strange...but i think they're the ones putting some things in my head..idk....but telepathy is real, just people dont want to acknowledge it.

  • I have personally experienced telepathy, and i'm in total disagreement with that being listed as disordered thinking. As a hybrid being i believe in and experience things which many of the humans find strange. Which doesn't make me disordered, just different. Anyways, i am socially retarded and that part is admittedly dysfunctional.

    Its still a good idea to get evaluated, especially if your symptoms are really bothering you ~working with a therapist may allow you to better understand yourself.

  • yeah im going for sure....its hard not to change your mind though while waiting...i have normal days once in a while where i feel like it never existed...but then it comes back...but yeah...the telepathy thing is a nnoying. I never know who's bothering me or listening in. I feel watched alot too. I'm not terrified about it..but it disturbs me.

  • What type of amphetamines were you on, if it is ok to ask. I used to take amphetamines (Adderall) for 6 years until I took myself off them. Now, it seems to be that whenever I mention "amphetamines", the doctors automatically start shaking their heads and pointing to the exit. It just became laughable. It's been 3 years since I have tried to see another doctor. As you might imagine, my approach is not a path I'd recommend. :) I hope you are able to find some "real" help.

  • Thanks NoWattz! It was dextroamphetamine, 85mg/day for 3yrs. (prescribed by a psychiatrist, the same one that gave me the shock "treatments"). How did you manage to 'take yourself off them'? I'm curious because i was really starting to lose it and tapering became impossible ~i finally flushed the stuff one night and then ended up in psych emerg for a week (warehoused and bounced between 3 hospitals ~not like they actually gave me any help). I'm in a wonderful comprehensive therapy program now :)

  • You know, my doc told me the same thing. I can't just stop taking those! :) But, I did manage to. I was kind of dysfunctional for 3 days (just waking up to eat and sleep the rest of the time) it wasn't too bad. I had been taking them to help regulate my sleeping pattern. maybe that's why? Of course, all the sleeping issues have come back to haunt me. Now, being self-employed and i can set my own hours, sleep times aren't too much of an issue. Before, they were freakin' horrific.

  • There was something that I found a little strange. When I was on amphetamines, sometimes I could stay awake for 24 or 30 hours if I "abused" them. But now, since I've been off them for many years now, I found that I can sometimes stay up 3 to 4 days "naturally" with no chemical assistance at all. lol. I never could do that before. Strange! Have you ever experienced anything like that?

  • Yes ~as a matter of fact, i have recently gone as long as 5 days without any sleep. I have long standing insomnia, so before, i would occasionally go without sleep for 1-3 days (i would feel horrible though, whereas i now oftentimes actually feel better when i don't sleep for a few days). I averaged only 3~4hrs a night whilst on the d-amp. It does seem to have worsened my sleep troubles...

  • Wow! I guess , in some strange way, now i feel a bit more "normal" whatever that means. :) It's the same for me. Before it was tough feeling to go without sleep, but now, just as you had said, it actually feels somewhat pleasant to go a few days without sleep. I just enjoy it for the fact that things tend to get "strange". those subtle hallucinations. the things that hide in the peripheral come alive. whispers on the breeze trying to become coherent. Just something different than the norm

  • It takes alot of bravery to put your heart and soul out to the world. I know what it is like to cry for help and no one cares or takes you seriously.. I feel your pain

  • Thanks tls498! I'm sorry to hear that you have also experienced a lack of caring and not being taken seriously when seeking help . Far too many of us have. I do find that it helps a little to know that we're not alone...and how important it is not to give up due to those very experiences...

  • Can you catch us up on weather you pulled the disapearing act. Your program should be about starting now. I intend to make a vid about some of the massive injustice and infuriating treatment I recieved. But its all a bit confusing and still triggering for me. I have been very fortunate since then,

  • I should be hearing from the PDProgram sometime this month and i'm currently still planning on attending it despite being petrified...Sorry to hear that you've had to deal with similar treatment ~it can indeed leave scars. I look foreward to your vid Em!

  • I thought you were very articulate in discussing this. I really found this interesting to listen to. I love the Canadian accent too. Honestly, you should make more- you have a nice way of talking about things and you are not shrill or loud like some people. As other people have said, any type of mental health care here in the UK is woeful. I was referred what I thought was a councillor. NOPE! just before i left house to go to it i realised it was a 'group'. NO THANKS! .good luck with more vids

  • Thanks Alanna! Sorry to hear that you have run into similar problems accessing mental health care. Group and individual therapy are so very different and ideally, when someone is in difficulty, they should have either both types, or else a choice between the two. The waits over there are simply horrific...I hope that you can eventually get some individual help :)

  • Its a lottery! I haven't got much faith in psycho treatment, they don't really give a damn. Its more deal the drugs and out the door. In the UK its called Care in the Community; its actually quite difficult to get to see a psychiatrists. Unless you are a danger to yourself or others there is no interest. The diagnosis lacks objectivity, no explanation what the drugs do what the side effects are, no health checks, no interest. Hope things improve.

  • I certainly understand your exasperation elvissweet ~sorry to hear that the mental health care system is as messed up over there in the UK as it is over here in Canada. Things need to change and patient education leading to informed choice needs to be one of the first priorities. It makes all the difference in the world when people feel that they are cared about as an individual and not simply treated as a number or a label. I too hope that things improve *~and the sooner the better!

  • You are intelligent, articulate, open ,and beautiful. Thank you for your video. It can help so many people that you will never be aware of. Keep up the good personal work and update us with videos or whatever when you can.

  • Thanks for the support and kind words rudydykas! That's wonderful if it helps others ~i have found so much support here on youtube from people who struggle with similar issues ~its been a real blessing...

  • WOW! I had no idea Chrysalis. You made a video! Glad to hear you finally found a good doc. Why might you never see him again?

    Is it because of the healthcare system there?

    As far as making a video/being a chicken etc. Remember this quote:

    "Courage is not to be without fear. Courage is to walk forward in spite of your fear."

    I heard that at a Cocaine Anonymous meeting.

  • Thanks A.J.! As it turns out, I do indeed get to see the psychologist that i liked once a week until the PDprogram starts in a couple of months ~so i'm really happy about that. Unfortunately, i'll have to start up with someone new once i do, but hopefully it'll all work out :)

    That's a wonderful quote ~the fear is most certainly still there, but i'm just beginning to learn how to push through it...

  • I am glad you are getting better. Yes it is hard to be your own advocate, you need a lot of information and inner strength. You BPD??? someone made a big mistake!!! Keep up the good work. And like you I know what it is like when people don't have files or up to date information handy. It is one of the biggest problems with mental health. And they don't really share it that easily!

  • Thanks PsychDoctorate! I appreciate the backup after struggling with this misdiagnosis for so long. I recently had another bonafide 'personality disorders expert' officially state that i am NOT borderline ~YAY~ that makes 2 now!! Good news ~ i got accepted into the Personality Disorders Program AND i get to work with the psychologist that i like until that starts up in a few months time. So, i'm Not~Otherwise~Specified *GIGGLE*GIGGLE*SNORT* Yeah, good one...

  • The only real disorder I think you might be dealing wth is Dissociative. And that is treatable, moreso with good psychotherapy, namely cognitive. Especially someone who deals with and is more attuned to the effects of trauma and its effects. You are bright, your mind is pretty clear and you have a good level of self awareness and some good insight. Those are key in helping anyone recover and are keys in helping one realize that one does not have a PD!! Remember that!

  • thank you for the kind words of support PsychDoctorate. i will be getting therapy 3x per week through the program (group, individual and lifeskills). the psychologist that i've started with(1x~wk) should be able to help prep me to take full advantage of the program once it starts ~ cause i'm scared and i have a lovely habit of pulling my disappearing act whenever things get tricky...

  • hey there! Good to hear from you. I don't know if there is a private message feature on youtube. But you asked me about dairy. Yes, you might be feeling like crap because of detox. Now that you have gone vegen I wonder if you are getting enough protein, especially if you have any bloodsugar issues like hypoglycemia. Going dairy free can make it more of a challenge to get your protein. So be sure to combine your rice and beans for a complete protein. Come see me again :)

  • I just discovered over the counter 'progesterone cream' for estrogen dominance. What a relief. Estrogen is aggressive and progesterone calming.

    There are three basic nutrients, fat, sugar, protein. A well seasoned vegetarian knows that the diet is pure sugar unless chemically changed into a complete protein by adding beans or dairy. Rule of thumb. Grains or seeds +plus+ beans or dairy =equal= a complete protein.

  • thanks and yes, there is a way to pm on youtube, via the 'send message' feature :)

  • have you looked into hypoglycemia, adrenal fatigue and chelation therapy. Feed your adrenals B5 complex with C, D, syberian ginseng and zinc..

  • i'm about to get a new blood workup and just went vegan today, thanks.

  • nice page. You are photogenic and take good videos. Fabulous hair and style. Oh..wow..your story is intriguing to me. I am afraid I could be in your shoes. Thank you for sharing. You are intelligent and have something valuable to say. This is enlightening to me.

  • thank you mckemckenzie! unfortunately, most everyone who has had any contact with the mental health system has their war stories..

  • Fascinating to hear your story!

  • Thanks Mattie!!

  • I hate evaluations too. They have made me feel like less than a person. The last thing a person needs when seeking help is to be judged and demoralized. If any professional makes you feel uncomfortable you don't need their business. They work for you. It is your well-being and mental health. It's great you found a good psychologist who treats you like a person.

  • Thanks kattiequeen. Sorry to hear about your experiences ~ nobody should ever be made to feel like they are less than a person. Demoralization can have horrible consequences ~ it can actually keep people from seeking any further help, even if they are in a severe state of crisis.

  • Thank you recoverypsychologist!

  • i totally know where you are coming from. i find it amazing how when we seek help we are so often ill treated, demoralized and not believed. i have been treated with such rudeness and dismissive attitude by some psych professionals that i really tend to hold back a lot of vital information anymore. i can no longer trust and must rely on myself as i have no family except a daughter i am raising on my own. it is a scary feeling when you are vulnerable already and treated with such carelessness.

  • I'm so sorry to hear about your awful experiences. The lack of caring all too often displayed really does have a profound effect on a patient's wellbeing. It can change you, and it must be scary indeed to feel so vulnerable. I wish for you that somebody will cross your path who is truly kind and caring so that your faith can be set on the way back towards restoration. I was lucky indeed that DOCTOROFMINDMD was there to do that for me...take care and know that we are here to support one another.

  • Good to see you!! Now was that so hard?

  • YES!!!! VERY!!!!

    Thanks for your encouragement David. I do need a little push now and again, and ~ lo and behold ~ the sky's still up there...by the bye, I have a newfound respect for what yourself and all the other vloggers do.

  • I feel for you. I hope this last doctor works out for you. I know both of my sisters know your pain in finding the right doctors. It's so sad that doctors lose their compassion. You're very pretty and articulate. Glad I'll be getting to know you. My sister has spoken of you often.

  • Thanks danceractor7. Indeed ~ compassion is in reality a doctor's most valuable tool. I'm glad you've decided to join us here ~ its a nifty place!

  • what would it take to only see this new psychologist just for the fact that you had success with him. In many case's I find, we need to run the show. Is it something that you can control or are other people going to have to make that choice. I hope this works out for you :)

  • Thanks X. If i get accepted into the personality disorders program then they will assign me to one of their psychologists, but irregardless, it wouldn't likely start for another two months or so. In the meantime, it does look like i would be able to continue with this particular PSY, which would be great! But then as soon as i start the other program...sigh...musical therapists is not a game that i enjoy playing!!

  • happy you uploaded this video because it has such an important message about our medical system especially psychiatry with the hoards of insensitive professionals that just make our recovery longer that it needs to be!! I so happy you finally found a winner!!

  • Thanks BP. Kindness and compassion truly do make a world of difference and I really did luck out this last time!

  • Aw, you're so pretty and soft-spoken. I like your voice.

    It's interesting you posted this now. I had a very similar problem Monday when my pdoc trivialized my complex PTSD and basically hinted that my situation shouldn't have caused such a severe reaction ("my other patients have been through that and it didn't upset them"). But she's the only one I can see b/c the school pays for it.

    I also have a psychologist, a grad student, and he is just fantastic--the nicest guy.

    Good luck to you.

  • Thanks X592, that's sweet of you to say. Many pdocs are oblivious to the pain that their words and attitudes can inflict on their patients. I'm really sorry that you have to put up with that bitch - that's simply horrid! Glad to hear about your psychologist ~ a little bit of kindness goes a very long way.

  • I'm happy you finally met someone that was kind and compassionate after what you went through the other day!!!

  • thanks numshine, he was truly kind and gentle and it made the whole experience bearable. it was such an unbelievable relief after the emotional beating that i took earlier this week.

  • It helps to have people to relate to and this is great that you made this video...It's nice to finally be able to see you talk and in person...very neat!!!

    I look forward to more vids from you, you better!

  • thanks for the support and encouragement - this was effing hard for me to do. at last i am no longer a chicken!!

  • You never WERE a chicken...your UNBOUND now, remember? LOL

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