I'd like to ad that even ROSALIE doesn't like or love bella just because Bella is dislikable to her or anything or because she just can't stand her. it's because she ENVIES her! so if you don't love, admire or like Bella you have to envy her for at least one thing because she so super perfect awesome!b -.-
@livihasaname4u I don't see any evidence to show that she's worried about having hurt his feelings. The way she behaves in that particular situation says she's afraid to be in the same room with him because of how he'll react. That's not how someone behaves when they're afraid they may have hurt someone's feelings.
. I don’t like that at all. But if B was more assertive, they cud have met a balance. And as for B being scared to go home, she was never scared for her life. And if u get married or have a boyfriend for a long time, u will know that not everything in the relationship is going to be peachy and romantic. Sometimes, u will do something that will have u a little afraid of ur mates reaction.
@livihasaname4u If she was more assertive, and yet Meyer doesn't make her that way. Analyze her intentions behind WHY. You can add what ifs and maybes to this, but you have to consider that Meyer made things this way intentionally. She made Edward out to be ultimately correct, unlike any other author that would show the reader his behavior is wrong by bringing about serious consequences.
Bella being scared to go home because she's afraid of how angry he'll be is enough, it doesn't have to--
@livihasaname4u --about being scared for her life. It's unhealthy to do something you wanted to do and then be afraid of your boyfriend's reaction. That's abuse. Please don't talk to me as though I know nothing about relationships, I'm going on my third year of marriage with a man I've known for five years. I've never done anything that has made me fearful of his reaction. Have I done things I know he won't like? Sure, and so has he. But to be AFRAID of the other's reaction implies that--
@livihasaname4u --he or she will react in a scary way. When I did something wrong, I came home and apologized and explained why I did it. To be afraid usually involves knowing your partner will react in a really, really bad way. She was afraid Edward would react like he's done before, by removing bits of her engine or in some other way that would work to force her not to see Jacob. Again, I tell you, that's abuse.
@fromthisgirl ok. i get what your saying. im not married. so i can agree to disagree. but let me ask you. what is your opinion on y eddy kept bella from seeing jacob. y not look at the situation from his point of veiw?.....see anything different?
@livihasaname4u C'mon, seriously? You think that because I dislike this series I'm an idiot, right? You think I haven't looked at things from Edward's POV to see if his actions are excusable? I should probably remind you that I used to be a big fan. Of course I've seen it from his POV. Guess what I saw? I saw a selfish, jealous, insecure jerk who doesn't know how to treat his girlfriend with respect. That's what I saw.
@fromthisgirl i dont think ur an idiot. i would never call u that. i find it hard to beleive tho, that if your husband wanted to be around a girl that was clearly trying to steal him away from, you wouldnt react like edward and demand he stay away from her. i get u trust ur husband. but look at the principle. u dont let other women through themselves at ur man. so edward wasnt going to let jacob through himself at bella. the real people who were wrong were bella and jacob.
@livihasaname4u The thing is- and I can't remember if I've said this already in our conversation- I didn't leave my husband for months because I felt it was better for him. I didn't leave him broken and miserable. If I did that, and another woman came along and tried to pick up the pieces, but then I came back wanting my husband back, it would only be MY fault that they formed a strong connection. At that point, I should be LUCKY that my husband still wants me after what I did to him.
@livihasaname4u So you see, Edward is in a beggar's position, yet he's making demands and enforcing his views. Only abusive lovers do that, not people who truly care about the person they claim to care for.
@fromthisgirl granted. but we know full well that bella completely forgave him. lets say you did leave your husband (i know u never would) and came back and he said he forgave u and the two of u could move on. together. that doesnt mean now that he can do whatever he wanted. if he wanted to get close to that other girl, whats he doing with you? yes, edward was in a beggar's position, but for how long?
@fromthisgirl it doesnt matter what you want. i matters what you do. bella knew that jacob wanted more. she should have backed off. he should hav backed off.
@livihasaname4u So you see, Edward is in a beggar's position, yet he's making demands and enforcing his views. Only abusive lovers do that, not people who truly care about the person they claim to care for.
Would you let your boyfriend be alone with a girl who did that? I hope not. J crossed the line…a few times. I don’t like the fact that E is so manipulative. He treats her like a dad. Your dad has a job to protect u. but ur not his equal. He loves u very much but he wont tell his little girl everything. He will just protect her the best way he can and she will learn when she gets older.
@livihasaname4u I'd trust that my husband would stay away from a woman that was trying to get him to leave me, but I wouldn't demand my husband stop seeing a female friend on the basis of her being female. That's what Edward did.
And yes, I agree. Edward treats Bella like his child, not his equal, but like I said before, when does Meyer really bring about consequences for him for behaving like this?
@fromthisgirl wait wait wait. edward didnt stop bella from seeing jacob b/c hes a guy. it was b/c jacob openly wants bella. bashes edward every opp he gets. would you care if your husbad insisted on being around a girl who clearly wants him to leave you? its not about trust. its about how that girl, or jacob, is very wrong.
I like your video. I liked the way you express yourself and I respect everything you said. But I cant say I agree w all of it. for 1 thing, Edward was described as being perfect by bella, but that doesn’t mean that he is. Nobody’s perfect. So yes, he is extremely over protective…that’s one of his flaws. Also, Jacob was always trashing E, and trying to get B to leave E and fall in love w him.
@livihasaname4u The thing is, you can say Edward isn't perfect by your analysis, but when does Meyer, through her writing, punish him for his behavior? Never, not once. She idolizes him as much as Bella does. Meyer doesn't have Bella tell him off and stay pissed at him for what he does. She has Bella forgive him within seconds, if even that. That does not send a message that Meyer thinks Edward isn't in the right.
@fromthisgirl have you read info on SM's website? she looks at her characters the way i look at mine. they are their own people. (so to speak) you cant make them do something just because YOU think its the right thing to do. you can have a character who does things you dont agree w. and in the real world, people dont always pay for the bad things they do. that part of it all is very realistic.
Esme always really bothered me and the way she was portrayed because she never got to fight or go on the hunts. She never even got to play baseball with them. She was just the mother who worried about her son falling in love and what not. That kind of set a negative tone for me.
@devilshomie The really sad thing is that it looks like this is becoming a trend in YA books. Lots of novels that are aimed at young adults, girls specifically, have this formula of the "bad boy" who treats the girl like crap, yet she can't help but feel "inexplicably attracted to him" which is just ridiculous.
@fromthisgirl I know I feel in a way It's kind of bias, notice how if an "ugly" guy like Mike or Eric watches Bella sleep she would consider it to be stalking but if a hot guy like Edward or Jacob does it than it's romantic. I feel that the whole "bad boy" image is really sending out the wrong message to the young girls reading this. That if your boyfriend is abusive stay with him because he's hot
First off great stuff, love it immensely! Secondly Anne Rice wrote in one of her books, I think "Blood and Gold" and said something to the effect of "the older we get the more ourselves we become". I think what she meant when she said that is that we come to terms with our good and our bad, and we realize who we were truely meant to be as an individual. Edward simply is just that, an immature, overbearing maniac.
I don't know...perhaps if SM wrote the characters better, then their relationship wouldn't seem abusive to some. I would've liked if Bella got angry at him from time to time..it would've showed that she had some personality.
Now I like the story, but I do admit it has a lot of flaws, which you pointed out in your videos. It would've been much much better if SM properly explained imprinting and the love between Bella and Edward.
@morrighan02 I agree about improving her characters, that's possibly the reason that they come off as being abusive/manipulative, but that's how they turned out in the end, and she supports his behavior by saying he's just "extreme" and had to control his jealousy. She uses euphamisms, basically, for abuse, which I talk about in one of my other videos, Meyer's Site Part 1 or 2, I can't remember, but the content is all about her FAQ page discussing her opinions on Edward.
Yeah, sorry but I agree with nicparmesan...you (and some others) are really overanalysing this.
If the person you love sooo much is in danger of DYING because she's around you, then you would do anything to save her. You would leave, regardless of how she feels about you, because she would be ALIVE and living a normal life.
The fact that you compare him leaving with examples like "if he hits you" or "if he breaks a personal posession of yours" are completely irrelevant.
@morrighan02 Bella, for the most part is never DYING right then and there, it's not the same thing, quite frankly, to have someone literally dying to having someone doing something you don't like that makes you act like an asshole.
Where are you getting those last two parts from? Irrelevance depends on context.
@fromthisgirl >_> She could've died when James decided to kill her. After that she could've died because Victoria decided to kill her. And all this because of Edward, because she was hanging around with him, so he wanted to prevent further situations to endager her life. He may be an asshole (though I don't completely agree), but this is not an example of abuse.
@morrighan02 You KNOW the James example is not what I'm talking about at all in my videos. When James is involved, I'm not going, "How rude of Edward to get involved." I'm talking about Edward's issues against Jacob, and his general behavior in non-life threatening situations. To say that his behavior was okay because of all the time that Victoria stood as an imminent danger to her isn't right at all, and is basically a huge generalization because the entire that Victoria stood as a danger--
@morrighan02 ---was not entirely made up of moments where Victoria was standing right there, immediately trying to kill her. Not to mention that the things I'm accusing him of weren't all entirely connected to Victoria. Taking her things from her room and hiding them under her house- how is that related to Victoria? Bribing Alice to hold her hostage while he went hunting, how was that related to Victoria? Telling people like Tyler to basically fuck off, how is that related to Victoria?
@fromthisgirl Also, if Bella doesn't do what she wants (like ever), how come she got to keep her baby? Edward wanted to get it out of her, and he did have the power to, but she said no. I thought that, as abusive as he is and since he's not ever listening to anything she wants/says, he would still think about her safety first.
Or maybe that was just one of SM's many slip ups when writing the book.
@morrighan02 Rosalie was there as her guard, he said as much to Jacob:
"Just back up a second. She won't let you." The sarcasm was acid on my tongue.
"Did you ever notice that she's exactly as strong as a normal hundred-and-ten pound human girl? How stupid are you vamps? Hold her down and knock her out
with drugs."
"I wanted to," he whispered. "Carlisle would have..."
What, too noble were they?
"No. Not noble. Her bodyguard complicated things."
@morrighan02 And if Edward HAD agreed from the get go to keep the baby, I still wouldn't see that as making up for all the other times he took control of things. Their marriage is an example of how Bella only got her way because they basically manipulated each other. She wanted sex, he wanted marriage, she would give him marriage if he turned her into a vampire. It was like a business transaction, which isn't at all the behavior of two people in a healthy relationship.
@ooshadygirloo sookie is an excellent example of women who dates supernatural beings and does not let herself be overpowered by them. She is proof that just because you are in love with a vamp doesn't mean you are powerless. I can not see her being treated the way Bella was. :D
@sweetperdition I agree, I've only seen the show but even in the show she makes it clear she won't be mistreated by any supernatural beings just because they're stronger than her or because they think they're superior.
You are irrelevant! What the hell are you talking about!? Edward is a flawed character just as we all have flaws! Not everything is romantic! It's supposed to be drama. It's a story and he's a vampire--of course he's a little bizarre! You are completely overanalyzing this.
You mean if a girl wants to use drugs because its her choice, then its ok?
i'm all for freedom of choice. but there must be a line between allowing someone do what they feel and from preventing them from destroying themselves or crossing the point of no return.
@nodinitiative Was this directed at me? Doing drugs isn't the same as wanting to see a friend that you feel safe with, and that your boyfriend doesn't.
You mean if a girl wants to use drugs because its her choice, then its ok?
i'm all for freedom of choice. but there must be a line between allowing someone do what they feel and from preventing them from destroying themselves or crossing the point of no return.
Esme would be fine if there were other women that were the opposite of what she is. However the other women are either superficial or baby-obsessed, or a mix of both, with Leah being the exception as a bitter harpy instead. So the anti-feminist part of all this is that SO many of these women following the same formula is Meyer's way of saying this is how you should be, baby obsessed and focused only on pleasing others, not on being independent.
@BellaLove2081 She's ant-Femenist because she's a total perfect mother, stepford wife stereotype. If she had other qualities that provded balance with those qualities would be fine, like she wanted to be a good mother but didn't have a nuturing side or something like that. But she doesn't and it's annoying
I never really though about the abuse until after i read the bookd. But it was clearly there. The most horrible part of the books was the fact that it could of had a happy ending. If she had just snapped out of it wand went with jacob. Because he was the best character and he really loved her. Instead they turned the only good goy in that book into a fucking pedpholie and it really pissed me off.
Edward (vampire) can stalk Bella and it's "OMG suuuuuuper romantic!"
Mike (human) can ask Bella what she's doing after school, or worry about how Edward looks at Bella like Eddypoo wants to eat her, and Bella freaks out on him. I guess being human just isn't enough for some people.
That's another thing that annoys me, too. No matter who the character is, humans just AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH. Grrr.... :(
Yeah, there's a lot of subtle trash-talk on just being human, which seems stupid to me. She keeps complaining about what a weak human she is, like being human is the worst thing in the world or something. In BD it's the most annoying, it's weird but it's like Meyer hates being human or something. I mean what other option does she have? Lol.
Lol, I dunno. It's really irritating, especially because I see a lot of girls now running around talking about how, "OMG, we want to be vampires, lalala!"
It's especially weird and sort of horrible, since Smeyer seems to have totally glossed over the whole "vampires KILL people" thing. Yeah, killing people is OMGSUPERSEXY. :(
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hey sis, you ugly ; so Eddy would never ever even spend half of a second looking at you, therefore you dont have any need of giving your discriminative and unjustified opinion about him, and obviosly you have never had a handsome person who corresponds you in love, so where do you get from all the things ur saying?
See, this is what I hate about unintelligent people, such as your self. When all else fails, throw out insults. Did you even pay attention to the things she was saying in her video. 1) It's her opinion. Just because it differs with yours, doesn't make it ok to verbally attack her. 2) Edward does do very abusive things. Have you ever had experience with emotional abuse? Evidently not, so I don't see how you can validate your statement. And lastly, take a class on grammar.
all those people that say u have nothing better to do are just mad because they know ur right. u made perfect points and they are just haters. TEAM JACOB!
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you are so ridiculous its not even funny. u don't know abuse. Look at Ike Turner Chris Brown
Oj Simpson- abusive
Edward Cullen- overprotective because he loves her. Sure my mother was overprotective. That doesn't make her abusive. So is my BF- overprotective and caring. Not abusive.
You need a life. Don't you have anything better to do than to make vidoes trashing a fictional character?
very essay-apt and valid points. i've read the books and throughout i've gone "wtf Edward?" i'm Team Jake (i know the "Teams" are out of control and stupid).my pal (adores Edward and hates NM-Book2) refuses 2 c how unhealthy he and Bella are.
Bella...i don't even want her to be "Buffy" all-kickass or men-hating and all that, i just wanted her to not be delusional or absurd or melodramatic in every page. Leah Clearwater had the most sense out of all the female characters.
You're awesome, girl! I wish more people were getting this message out. It scares me that teenagers think this is what a guy will do if he really likes you.
omg i totally agree with you!! 1. he DID leave her for no real reason, except to 'protect her' but only makes her (in my opinion) comit suicide to see edwardo. 2. if he wont let her see her own friend, DUMP HIS ASS TO THE GROUND! that is so not fair. and lastly, everyone is indepentent. edwardo had no right to keep her locked up from the world. LET HER BE WITH PEOPLE SHE CARES ABOUT! stupid Twitards dont get it
Don't forget the fact that Rosalie has her nice sit-down with Bella and says the reason she is so nasty to her. Why? Because she's wanted to be a mother all of her life and thus she's jealous of Bella's ability to have children! Doy! As others have pointed out, yes it's fine for people to want to have children, but EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in the series wants to be a frigging mother and the fact that Bella's the one who DOES have a kid just makes her more special (ugh).
Leah is the character I feel most sorry for...she isn't a complete harpy, she just has a friggen back bone, rather than being a preppy weak Mary Sue. Oh now, everyone has to be like BELLA. The only reason people like Twilight is because the people can put themselves in Bella's place. Oh yeah I really want to be in an abusive relationship with a pedo-pire.
Omg, the Leah thing? I completely agree with that. Leah is like, the only female character in the books that isn't completely submissive to a man. She's snarky and independent and strong willed, yet she's portrayed as a bitter harpy that everyone hates. SM's practically saying that if you show any positive traits as a female, everyone will hate you, and if you act like a clumsy, submissive, freakishly dependent fool you'll get eveything you want in life!
Exactly, I think it's particularly crappy that Leah's heart was broken by the man she loved because he loved her cousin instead. This whole wolf thing was the worst thing that happened to her, it's the reason Sam imprinted on Emily and it's the reason that she can now hear his thoughts and hear how he loves another woman, yet for some reason she's made to look like the bitch in the whole situation because she naturally feels unhappy with it all. The werewolves should sympathize, not anatagonize.
Imprinting itself is horrid. The werewolf is essentially brainwashed and has their free will taken from them. Doesn't matter if they like it or not, they're mindwiped to like whoever's best to have their children.
As was the case with Leah, anybody who the werewolf previously loved or was in a relationship with is dumped on the wayside and considered a harpy if she refuses to accept it.
And the girl who gets imprinted on? Basically they say "Yeah, she's got a choice but they all end up with the werewolf in the end". I dunno, if some guy was that devoted to me maybe I'd be flattered but I'd also be freaked out. And what if the girl just didn't love him back? The werewolf would be heartbroken and the girl would probably be considered a shrew for not going along with it. And again, what if the girl had some guy she was with before the imprinting. Or if the girl's a total stranger?
I 100% agree with you on all of this and i am so glad other people see it too.
My biggest fear is that the crazy fangirls will grow up thinking this is what a relationship should be. America is going to have some major issues when these girls start having serious realionships. God help us all.
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Im not disagreeing with everything, but the true love bit you said ?
yeah... hmmm.. if you actually read the books properly or at all.. you would realise he leaves her because he didnt want to risk her becoming a monster (vampire) or him killing her in the end ?
Not romantic ?
It is !mostly because they shouldnt be together, it is his sacrifice for her that makes it a beautiful series of books and movies :D
The hostage bit ?
He doesnt want another vampire or ... Victoria !!! Killing Bella !
It isn't romantic. He left her outside, he then went into her house and stole all her things that related to him. He also dumped her in a pretty harsh way, and it was all because Edward is the type to be extremely dramatic and ridiculous. It was stupid, it was damaging, it was abusive. Not romantic.
You clearly don't remember why he took her hostage if you think it was because about Victoria. It wasn't, go re-read the book.
Bella allows Edward to abuse her because he is attractive. She can't say no to Edward and she fears that Edward might leave her. Bella sets feminism back 100 years
@GGA44 that's true...if a guy or even girl is UGLY (by society's standards - not by your personal opinion of what good looks are), no one would put up with it...
The only not sexist thing in the ENTIRE SERIES is when Bella beats Emmett in the arm-wrestlig competition, and that was only because she was a newborn!
the whole leaving-and-coming-back-saying-I-love-you-sooo-much thing is what my older sister's ex boyfriend did to her, and she cussed him out like nobody's buisness. I was waiting for Bella to do this, but she didn't, and I was like, what the crap?
I watched a few of your videos and am glad that you are putting this out there for the public. Society is still attracted to weak women and strong men as romance and we need more publicity that this is NOT ok.
warning to whom ever dissagrees with 'fromthisgirl'; her arguements are completely built by facts that she has gathered and analyzed. the books are sexist. there is no denying that they are. when i first watched one of her videos, i disagreed with her, but talking to her and discussing her statements and why she beliefs what she beliefs made me realize that she is infact correct. i personally can't stand bella nor edward. both character are seriously irritating.--
everytime i come back and watch her videos again, she has atleast one or two people debating with her over the fact that the book is sexist and/or edward is abussive and controlling, or better yet, imprinting. and how it is or isn't discusting. which in my own opinion imprinting is completely disturbing. from the first time i heard about imprinting i was repulsed by the mere thought of it. stephanie does make the women seem weak.
'fromthisgirl' has pointed out many reasons why stephanie isn't the best writer and how the twilight saga is not the best reading material for most people.
women are made to seem weak and defenceless so the men can be adimired by the reader. but it was not the best way to make the men stand out more than the women because in reality there are many women that can make men quiver in fear. twilight saga is sexist and no one can completely disagree with that fact.
i agree with him leaving her and he made her a depressed phycotic. and she almost killed herself for mental halutionations (i no i spelt it rong) of edwards voice. so i agree with you on that edward was an idiot.
ur sexist counterargument makes no sense..is ur family sexist cause you've had a motherly figure in ur life..and plus alice has a power that rivals edwards..rosalie is suppose to be bitchy..and are victoria and jane and all the other women in other clans not strong and powerful as well....plus bella is a human the whole book is a contrast between vampires and humans not men and women...
YOUR arguments make no sense, and you know what's the difference between you and me? I can actually back up my claims, you can't. "is ur family sexist" that's just a stupid thing to say. You think that because I've had a motherfly figure in my life then that automatically ties into the sexism? My mom is very much a mother as any, but that isn't her defining role in life. That's all Esme is. The mom, the wife, nothing else. Rosalie is the pretty blond bitch who thinks of nothing but her looks-
But all of the women in twilight fight with them men(besides bella) and mine make perfect sense..u said its sexist cause esme is a motherly figure..i asked if that makes ur family sexist if ur mother is a motherlyy figure...esme lost a child....edward, alice, rosalie, emmet and jasper are like her kids
Do you remember who ends up causing Jacob to get hurt in Eclipse? Leah, remember? She thought she could handle more than she could and Jacob had to rescue her. Of all of them, it had to be her.
I said it's sexist in addition to the rest of the roles of women in the books. You're not understanding me at all. If say there were several other women in the books who were very strong, ideal women, and you had Esme who was exactly as she was, it would not make the books sexist. It would just be how-
-she is as a character. But when you add Esme's role as only a mother and wife to Alice's role as the shopaholic, material obsessed one and Rosalie's role as the one focused solely on her looks all the time, then you've got the makings of a sexist book. Take Harry Potter for example. If you had every female be like Molly Weasley, you'd have a sexist book, but it's not like that. You have Hermione, and you have McGonagall, and you have Luna, and so on. There's diversity in the roles of the women.
i can't say i agree at all.....they all fight it's not like the men r like..."oh no the women can't fight..." there allowed to do what they want...no one stops them....no one in the cullens or out of vampires tells the women u have to stay home and cook and clean...they do what they want
Actually, Jasper tries to stop Alice. When they're paired up to fight the wolves, the women are paired against the younger, weaker wolves and the stronger, older ones are paired against the men, Carlisle, Edward, Emmett, Jasper, etc.
You still don't get it, they don't have to tell them anything for them to be sexist, the women just ARE the way they are, I've already shown you the examples and you ignored them.
and jasper does try and keep alice from fighting..but edward says she can take care of herself..i never recall anywhere in the book where the guys say..."girls r with the weaker ones" but if the women were paired with the weaker wolves they wuld still have to be doing more work..so that doen't make sense.
How would the women do more work if they're paired with the weaker wolves? I'm talking against them, not with them. The women were set to fight the weaker ones because it is assumed that the stronger wolves would have to take on the stronger vampires, meaning the males.
i don't recall them ever fightingagainst the wolves....and when there trying to practice in eclipse everyone gets a chance to learn...and all the women r free to do what they want..it's not like they have to stay inside and cook and clean..
It's in Jacob's book when they're getting ready to attack because Bella is pregnant.
You are still not getting it. I'm not saying the women have to cook and clean, that isn't the standard for sexism, it's just based off the women being lesser than the men. Even if it's by the smallest amount, if ALL the women are less than the men, then it's sexist. The only exception is when Bella becomes a vampire, and you know why that happens? Because she's a self-insert Mary Sue.
Yes they are, they aren't as strong as the men, they're usually the ones to be blamed for something. Their original stories even revolve around them being weak or female unlike the men. Edward gets sick and Carlisle saves him. Carlisle gets attacked and becomes a vampire. Rosalie gets raped because of her beauty, Esme commits suicide because nothing mattered after her husband abused her and her child died. Emmet gets attacked by a bear and Alice is considered insane before she is bitten.
The men get these much easier, sometimes even heroic stories. Jasper even fought with the military and was still extremely valuable when he was turned. His power is very certain and definite, so is Edward, yet Alice's is erratic and difficult to use and doesn't even work unless it's on a human or vampire.
Hmm- have you ever been to Twilightsucks(dot)com? There are a million more examples there that would add to what I've already said.
Alice is the shopaholic. Immortality and all she wants is shiny fast cars and lots of clothes. Her power is unpredictable and unreliable while Edward's is useful everywhere and anywhere except with Bella. In fact, Edward makes it a point to USE Alice's power for his personal drama with Bella. That's how tough Alice is, she's used as Edward's watchdog. Jane is also a servant to those around her, and Victoria's existence is focused on getting revenge for a man that didin't even love her.
Alic being a shopaholic doesn't make the book sexist..it describes a trait she has...there are many strong women out there that r independent and love shopping....her power is always used. its unpredictable cause the future can change and it is reliable..the family uses her visions in eclipses to forsee when the attackers come...alice focuses on bela so when she sees things she tells edward so she can help protect bella cause bella is like a sister to alice..
You're missing my point. Alice is addition to the behavior of the rest of the women makes the greater picture show that these books are sexist.
Pfft, there isn't even enough to support Alice and Bella being such good friends, but you know what I recall? I recall Edward yelling at Alice for not keeping a good eye out for Bella, and Alice complaining that he had her looking at too many things. Alice serves and excuses Edward's behavior all the time, she is not representative of a strong female.
I'm not saying Alice should hate him, I'm saying she shouldn't be his watchdog. Did I say Alice should hate him and never talk to him again? I don't recall doing that.
I don't think you're very good at understanding certain concepts. I already explained to you that one particular factor in the book does not make it sexist, it's all the factors added up together that makes it sexist. You have to keep that in mind, or you'll never understand anything I'm saying.
Victoria's life revolves around a man and we are not taught to pity her but to hate her, and we're shown just how weak she is considering Edward manages to kill her quickly. None of these women are to be admired. So what if Bella is human? What does that have to do with this? And don't tell me that's what makes her weak compared to Edward, because I've already explained I'm not talking about physical abilities. Look at the girls in the werewolf tribes as well. Emily gets slashed in the face-
Jane orders others around...except maybe aro...in eclipse edward says...jane culd senf felix to do... this shows that jane has powers over others..and she has an incredible talent....Victoria is the leader of all of the newborns..she creates them and leads them..and i'm pretty sure james did love her..and she's kinda gettin revenge for his murder......with the werewolves i don't think its sexist but i don't think its right...i feel bad for leah an emily..more leah though
Do you envy Jane? Is she a character you like? Just curious here. She's not made to be a desirable character, she's an evil little person who does someone's bidding when they need her powers. Why exactly are you telling me she represents a strong character again?
Victoria is the leader of something that isn't hard to lead, and why is she doing it? Because of the man that got killed that didn't even love her. If you think he did, then you need to re-read Eclipse, Edward tells us he didn't.
-by a man who supposedly loved her. What does she do? Stay with him and cook for him and the rest of the pack. Her life, as we see it, is spent baking at home waiting for Sam. What does that teach you? If your man hurts you, but feels really, really terrible about it, then it's true love and you should forgive him. Not only sexist, but it teaches girls to forgive abuse. Leah is hated for a lot of the time and then gets treated like some abnormality because she's a woman.
bella doesnt care if edward is abusive, all she cares about is the fact that hes hot and hes a "vampire". and yea if edward were described as ugly bella wouldve been like get the hell away from me, and if she found out he stalks her every night she wouldve called the cops or something. but since he is "gorgeous" he can get away w/ almost anything
1. Why does Edward even want to be with Bella if he clearly doesn't respect her? 2. And in what sick world is it romantic for someone to break into someone's house and watch him or her sleep? Watching someone sleep is ONLY romantic in the context of a marriage or serious relationship where they fall asleep together, not "we're not even going out yet and you stalked me."
It's romantic in the eyes of a fan because Edward is so gorgeous. If he were an ugly man, they wouldn't like it and think he was a total creep, same goes for the proxy, Bella. It's a totally vain and shallow reason, but it's true.
i think these videos are a bit silly , but anyways, your choice (to fromthisgirl, obviously):
why do you hate the books so much, wouldnt it be better just to ignore them and let the people that like twilight like twilight, and then you can go love whatever u love.
u focus so much on how edward does everything wrong. what kinda book would it be if he, nd every1 else were perfect?
he might be 100 yrs old but he's still "human". nobody's perfect.
LOL. I know he's not, but he's, "human" so... no one likes him. :(
I hate them because of the effect they have on young girls. You may not be one of the crazy fangirls, but there are a lot of them out there. And they want their own 'personal' Edward. Or Jacob.
And they HURT people because of their opinion, and it's SICK. And until SMeyer does something about it, it's going to go on, and on, and on, and we've GOT to do something to convince them.
And YES, everyone DOES have flaws, but Bella doesn't recognize Edwards flaws, or quirks, and so the readers think he;s perfect. Or near perfect.
And also, Edwards so called 'flaws' aren't acceptable! If you bite your nails, or tend to snap at people when you're nervous, that's fine! But when you stalk 17-year-old girls, and abuse them, that's when I draw the line.
It's wrong, and sick, and people think it's ROMANTIC. O_O It's... so wrong.
well, if the book was just like all of you guys clearly want it to be.. smeyer wouldn't make any money. and thats the point of a book, to earn money. it's her JOB. and if crazy fangirls (harmless fangirls mostly) love the books, then she makes more money, so why should she do anything about it?
i personaly think the books are great, not because of the book, but because of the way they're written. they're great.
i dont think the readers find edward perfect, but maybe the idea of having someone
like edward in their life, cause he's so glorious, or whatever. i think they're relationship is great actually, but that's just my opinion.. and i guess i'm not gonna get much backup from people watching this video..
anyways, he's a vampire, so of course he's different. mike wouldn't really get a shot at watching her sleep cause he can't climb into her window, now can he..?
but, just gonna say it again, stop caring. the fangirls arent gonna commit suicide to prove their love or anything..
Yes, but that's shallow. Not a good quality. WHY do you think their relationshipd is so freakin' great!? That's the question we're asking here! What can they relate to? What personal jokes do they have? Do they REALLY love each other? WHY!? Don't SHOW, and not TELL.
Yeah, but when has that ever changed anything except, "He's super-duper hot!" and, "He can run fast! And he's STRONG! Why don't you love him?! Omgbg4rtihnujappleuthrutbannanaiejriapple!"
It hasn't heightened their emotions. There is no special vampire law, just for them. They cannot break the law, unless they are "The Bad Guys" (in Smeyers book, at least).
No, Mike could. If he really wanted to, he could bring a ladder. But Edward would too, if he was human, and REALLY wanted to watch her.
Yeah, I'll stop caring, when you stop caring, kid. Which means, you stop rep-ly-ing. I care, because I'm really passionate about this subject. I believe it's a very minor case, and
Lets say (hypothetically)... A lot of anti-Potters (which you rarely see) were getting hurt, because Potter fangirls were mad. So they hurt people. Innocent people, who just got hurt for sharing their opinion.
Lets say (hypothetically) that you were not a Potter fan. And so, you spoke out against it. And then one day someone broke, say, your legs. And they kept doing it over, and over and over again. Just hurting you. Not even sending you to the
Also, I don't understand what you mean when you said something like, "...the fangirls are raking in more cash, when they hurt other people." Maybe not in so many words...
I just don't get that. So people are getting hurt- how is that supposed to make people buy Meyers books? I would think it would turn most people OFF the series.
She ashamed of herself. She can't admit it. Or she's just blocking all the critique out with white noise. She's spineless. Real authors would KNOW when they've caused something like this. And they would say, "Guys, it's JUST a book! Stop hurting people over it!"
Yes, that's why I hate them. They shed positive light, on negative situations. It's sick. She's sick (Meyer). The fangirls are.
Yes, they do. He's an, "Adonis-like God," remember? (Either him, or Jacob).
I did enjoy reading the series, but it's really obvious that is has flaws.
Another abusive thing Edward did, in
Breaking Dawn, when they had sex, afterwards Bella was all bruised up and Bella said it was okay, and she felt insecure, and Edward was saying he was sorry, and it wouln't happen again...
Hey in the game Mirror's Edge, Faith a female free runner and kicks ass, mens and women's ass fighting the totalitarian government. I think Faith would beat Edward in a fight any day. She is a good example of a strong female fictional character both mentally and physically. Even I look up to her. You have to be female to look up to her.
I used to like Twilight, then I started reading between the lines and felt disgusted.
Edward is controlling and emotionally destroys Bella. None of the women in the book are able to do anything and are kept under control expect for Bella at the very, very, very end of the fourth book only to make the pathetic character of Bella finally do something worthwhile.
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rosalie? alice? esme? tanya? kate? (so on so on..)
yes they're all vampires, but thats because humans are weaker than vampires. (if they existed)
the book is basically about edward, bella, and jacob. three *people*. and they all have flaws. big deal. edward is controlling, (but i dont think he emotionally destroys her) jacob is well, ridiculous, (a teen boy, hello?), and bella is weak. deal with it.
if u dont like the twilight saga, then ignore it. just like i ignore disney-stars. ;P
LOOK. the books are fantasy!!!!!!!!!!! it's not reality!!!!!!!!!! ok i get it u hate twilight! fine! but i have a question. why make videos about it if u really hate it. it's a book! non fiction!!!!!!!!!!!!!! use your imagination!!!!!!! and i dont know how old u are but it's just a book. omg!
Yes twilight is just a book but millions of teenage girls fans from around the world see twilight as a ''bible'' but extremely dumbed down,Bella and Edward are made for each other because they are both ''superficial air heads'' with no personality,Edward is a pale headed fuck who is a stalker and low life,Bella is a stupid teenager who lets a vampire tell her what to do,also Bella has issues, she lets a vampire watch her in her sleep for months on end.
okay well let them love twilight and see it as a bible! I mean why do u have to talk about things in such a negative way. I'm clearly aware of those things however it's not reality and it's not a big deal. I mean u don't see me making videos about movies that have talking animals!
You're not getting the point. If I think something is promoting sexism and abuse, and I think girls are learning from these books entirely the wrong way then of course I'm going to say something negative about it. YOU may not find that making sure girls in the coming generations don't end up as mindless idiots is important, but I do.
I'd like to ad that even ROSALIE doesn't like or love bella just because Bella is dislikable to her or anything or because she just can't stand her. it's because she ENVIES her! so if you don't love, admire or like Bella you have to envy her for at least one thing because she so super perfect awesome!b -.-
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peruvianjapkenji95 1 month ago
you have to keep in mind, even though hes over 100 years old, he apparently has spent that time going to highschool 500,000 times
Marrikable 5 months ago
Not a morbid fear. But a healthy one, like, did what I do just hurt his feelings, which I think, in B and E’s case, it might have. Just a thought.
livihasaname4u 1 year ago
@livihasaname4u I don't see any evidence to show that she's worried about having hurt his feelings. The way she behaves in that particular situation says she's afraid to be in the same room with him because of how he'll react. That's not how someone behaves when they're afraid they may have hurt someone's feelings.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
. I don’t like that at all. But if B was more assertive, they cud have met a balance. And as for B being scared to go home, she was never scared for her life. And if u get married or have a boyfriend for a long time, u will know that not everything in the relationship is going to be peachy and romantic. Sometimes, u will do something that will have u a little afraid of ur mates reaction.
livihasaname4u 1 year ago
@livihasaname4u If she was more assertive, and yet Meyer doesn't make her that way. Analyze her intentions behind WHY. You can add what ifs and maybes to this, but you have to consider that Meyer made things this way intentionally. She made Edward out to be ultimately correct, unlike any other author that would show the reader his behavior is wrong by bringing about serious consequences.
Bella being scared to go home because she's afraid of how angry he'll be is enough, it doesn't have to--
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@livihasaname4u --about being scared for her life. It's unhealthy to do something you wanted to do and then be afraid of your boyfriend's reaction. That's abuse. Please don't talk to me as though I know nothing about relationships, I'm going on my third year of marriage with a man I've known for five years. I've never done anything that has made me fearful of his reaction. Have I done things I know he won't like? Sure, and so has he. But to be AFRAID of the other's reaction implies that--
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@livihasaname4u --he or she will react in a scary way. When I did something wrong, I came home and apologized and explained why I did it. To be afraid usually involves knowing your partner will react in a really, really bad way. She was afraid Edward would react like he's done before, by removing bits of her engine or in some other way that would work to force her not to see Jacob. Again, I tell you, that's abuse.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl ok. i get what your saying. im not married. so i can agree to disagree. but let me ask you. what is your opinion on y eddy kept bella from seeing jacob. y not look at the situation from his point of veiw?.....see anything different?
livihasaname4u 11 months ago
@livihasaname4u C'mon, seriously? You think that because I dislike this series I'm an idiot, right? You think I haven't looked at things from Edward's POV to see if his actions are excusable? I should probably remind you that I used to be a big fan. Of course I've seen it from his POV. Guess what I saw? I saw a selfish, jealous, insecure jerk who doesn't know how to treat his girlfriend with respect. That's what I saw.
fromthisgirl 10 months ago
@fromthisgirl i dont think ur an idiot. i would never call u that. i find it hard to beleive tho, that if your husband wanted to be around a girl that was clearly trying to steal him away from, you wouldnt react like edward and demand he stay away from her. i get u trust ur husband. but look at the principle. u dont let other women through themselves at ur man. so edward wasnt going to let jacob through himself at bella. the real people who were wrong were bella and jacob.
livihasaname4u 10 months ago
@livihasaname4u The thing is- and I can't remember if I've said this already in our conversation- I didn't leave my husband for months because I felt it was better for him. I didn't leave him broken and miserable. If I did that, and another woman came along and tried to pick up the pieces, but then I came back wanting my husband back, it would only be MY fault that they formed a strong connection. At that point, I should be LUCKY that my husband still wants me after what I did to him.
fromthisgirl 10 months ago
@livihasaname4u So you see, Edward is in a beggar's position, yet he's making demands and enforcing his views. Only abusive lovers do that, not people who truly care about the person they claim to care for.
fromthisgirl 10 months ago
@fromthisgirl granted. but we know full well that bella completely forgave him. lets say you did leave your husband (i know u never would) and came back and he said he forgave u and the two of u could move on. together. that doesnt mean now that he can do whatever he wanted. if he wanted to get close to that other girl, whats he doing with you? yes, edward was in a beggar's position, but for how long?
livihasaname4u 10 months ago
@livihasaname4u But you're saying "close" implying that Bella wanted a relationship with Jacob above a platonic one, when she didn't.
fromthisgirl 8 months ago
@fromthisgirl it doesnt matter what you want. i matters what you do. bella knew that jacob wanted more. she should have backed off. he should hav backed off.
livihasaname4u 5 months ago
@livihasaname4u So you see, Edward is in a beggar's position, yet he's making demands and enforcing his views. Only abusive lovers do that, not people who truly care about the person they claim to care for.
fromthisgirl 10 months ago
Would you let your boyfriend be alone with a girl who did that? I hope not. J crossed the line…a few times. I don’t like the fact that E is so manipulative. He treats her like a dad. Your dad has a job to protect u. but ur not his equal. He loves u very much but he wont tell his little girl everything. He will just protect her the best way he can and she will learn when she gets older.
livihasaname4u 1 year ago
@livihasaname4u I'd trust that my husband would stay away from a woman that was trying to get him to leave me, but I wouldn't demand my husband stop seeing a female friend on the basis of her being female. That's what Edward did.
And yes, I agree. Edward treats Bella like his child, not his equal, but like I said before, when does Meyer really bring about consequences for him for behaving like this?
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl wait wait wait. edward didnt stop bella from seeing jacob b/c hes a guy. it was b/c jacob openly wants bella. bashes edward every opp he gets. would you care if your husbad insisted on being around a girl who clearly wants him to leave you? its not about trust. its about how that girl, or jacob, is very wrong.
livihasaname4u 11 months ago
I like your video. I liked the way you express yourself and I respect everything you said. But I cant say I agree w all of it. for 1 thing, Edward was described as being perfect by bella, but that doesn’t mean that he is. Nobody’s perfect. So yes, he is extremely over protective…that’s one of his flaws. Also, Jacob was always trashing E, and trying to get B to leave E and fall in love w him.
livihasaname4u 1 year ago
@livihasaname4u The thing is, you can say Edward isn't perfect by your analysis, but when does Meyer, through her writing, punish him for his behavior? Never, not once. She idolizes him as much as Bella does. Meyer doesn't have Bella tell him off and stay pissed at him for what he does. She has Bella forgive him within seconds, if even that. That does not send a message that Meyer thinks Edward isn't in the right.
fromthisgirl 11 months ago
@fromthisgirl have you read info on SM's website? she looks at her characters the way i look at mine. they are their own people. (so to speak) you cant make them do something just because YOU think its the right thing to do. you can have a character who does things you dont agree w. and in the real world, people dont always pay for the bad things they do. that part of it all is very realistic.
livihasaname4u 11 months ago
Esme always really bothered me and the way she was portrayed because she never got to fight or go on the hunts. She never even got to play baseball with them. She was just the mother who worried about her son falling in love and what not. That kind of set a negative tone for me.
JazzySnazzy09 1 year ago
Leah is a great character; it's not fair that she has to suffer from that damn imprinting thing, which is extremely wrong.
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danushaka100 1 year ago
I would have thought that Edward would have more comman-sense.Especially Bella.
pyradragon 1 year ago
What I hate is how Edward's abusive behavior is being portayed positivaly
devilshomie 1 year ago 3
@devilshomie The really sad thing is that it looks like this is becoming a trend in YA books. Lots of novels that are aimed at young adults, girls specifically, have this formula of the "bad boy" who treats the girl like crap, yet she can't help but feel "inexplicably attracted to him" which is just ridiculous.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 2
@fromthisgirl I know I feel in a way It's kind of bias, notice how if an "ugly" guy like Mike or Eric watches Bella sleep she would consider it to be stalking but if a hot guy like Edward or Jacob does it than it's romantic. I feel that the whole "bad boy" image is really sending out the wrong message to the young girls reading this. That if your boyfriend is abusive stay with him because he's hot
devilshomie 1 year ago
First off great stuff, love it immensely! Secondly Anne Rice wrote in one of her books, I think "Blood and Gold" and said something to the effect of "the older we get the more ourselves we become". I think what she meant when she said that is that we come to terms with our good and our bad, and we realize who we were truely meant to be as an individual. Edward simply is just that, an immature, overbearing maniac.
kyuutatsu 1 year ago 2
@kyuutatsu Lol, I love this comment. A++
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
I don't know...perhaps if SM wrote the characters better, then their relationship wouldn't seem abusive to some. I would've liked if Bella got angry at him from time to time..it would've showed that she had some personality.
Now I like the story, but I do admit it has a lot of flaws, which you pointed out in your videos. It would've been much much better if SM properly explained imprinting and the love between Bella and Edward.
morrighan02 1 year ago
@morrighan02 I agree about improving her characters, that's possibly the reason that they come off as being abusive/manipulative, but that's how they turned out in the end, and she supports his behavior by saying he's just "extreme" and had to control his jealousy. She uses euphamisms, basically, for abuse, which I talk about in one of my other videos, Meyer's Site Part 1 or 2, I can't remember, but the content is all about her FAQ page discussing her opinions on Edward.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
Yeah, sorry but I agree with nicparmesan...you (and some others) are really overanalysing this.
If the person you love sooo much is in danger of DYING because she's around you, then you would do anything to save her. You would leave, regardless of how she feels about you, because she would be ALIVE and living a normal life.
The fact that you compare him leaving with examples like "if he hits you" or "if he breaks a personal posession of yours" are completely irrelevant.
morrighan02 1 year ago
@morrighan02 Bella, for the most part is never DYING right then and there, it's not the same thing, quite frankly, to have someone literally dying to having someone doing something you don't like that makes you act like an asshole.
Where are you getting those last two parts from? Irrelevance depends on context.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl >_> She could've died when James decided to kill her. After that she could've died because Victoria decided to kill her. And all this because of Edward, because she was hanging around with him, so he wanted to prevent further situations to endager her life. He may be an asshole (though I don't completely agree), but this is not an example of abuse.
morrighan02 1 year ago
@morrighan02 You KNOW the James example is not what I'm talking about at all in my videos. When James is involved, I'm not going, "How rude of Edward to get involved." I'm talking about Edward's issues against Jacob, and his general behavior in non-life threatening situations. To say that his behavior was okay because of all the time that Victoria stood as an imminent danger to her isn't right at all, and is basically a huge generalization because the entire that Victoria stood as a danger--
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@morrighan02 ---was not entirely made up of moments where Victoria was standing right there, immediately trying to kill her. Not to mention that the things I'm accusing him of weren't all entirely connected to Victoria. Taking her things from her room and hiding them under her house- how is that related to Victoria? Bribing Alice to hold her hostage while he went hunting, how was that related to Victoria? Telling people like Tyler to basically fuck off, how is that related to Victoria?
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Also, if Bella doesn't do what she wants (like ever), how come she got to keep her baby? Edward wanted to get it out of her, and he did have the power to, but she said no. I thought that, as abusive as he is and since he's not ever listening to anything she wants/says, he would still think about her safety first.
Or maybe that was just one of SM's many slip ups when writing the book.
morrighan02 1 year ago
@morrighan02 Rosalie was there as her guard, he said as much to Jacob:
"Just back up a second. She won't let you." The sarcasm was acid on my tongue.
"Did you ever notice that she's exactly as strong as a normal hundred-and-ten pound human girl? How stupid are you vamps? Hold her down and knock her out
with drugs."
"I wanted to," he whispered. "Carlisle would have..."
What, too noble were they?
"No. Not noble. Her bodyguard complicated things."
They didn't because Rosalie was there.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@morrighan02 And if Edward HAD agreed from the get go to keep the baby, I still wouldn't see that as making up for all the other times he took control of things. Their marriage is an example of how Bella only got her way because they basically manipulated each other. She wanted sex, he wanted marriage, she would give him marriage if he turned her into a vampire. It was like a business transaction, which isn't at all the behavior of two people in a healthy relationship.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago 5
@morrighan02 That has a LOT to do with Rosalie
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AgentPhoenix07 1 year ago
@AgentPhoenix07 You crazy stalker person.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl :( *mumbles* psh you wish
AgentPhoenix07 1 year ago
I never noticed before that Bella WAS scared... creepy...
phoenixhart17 1 year ago
@phoenixhart17 Yeah she'd often be scared or angry but she'd forget about it in seconds because he'd like.. breathe on her face or something.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@ooshadygirloo sookie is an excellent example of women who dates supernatural beings and does not let herself be overpowered by them. She is proof that just because you are in love with a vamp doesn't mean you are powerless. I can not see her being treated the way Bella was. :D
sweetperdition 1 year ago
@sweetperdition I agree, I've only seen the show but even in the show she makes it clear she won't be mistreated by any supernatural beings just because they're stronger than her or because they think they're superior.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
You are irrelevant! What the hell are you talking about!? Edward is a flawed character just as we all have flaws! Not everything is romantic! It's supposed to be drama. It's a story and he's a vampire--of course he's a little bizarre! You are completely overanalyzing this.
nicparmesan 1 year ago
You mean if a girl wants to use drugs because its her choice, then its ok?
i'm all for freedom of choice. but there must be a line between allowing someone do what they feel and from preventing them from destroying themselves or crossing the point of no return.
but i agree, edward is a confusing character.
nodinitiative 1 year ago
@nodinitiative Was this directed at me? Doing drugs isn't the same as wanting to see a friend that you feel safe with, and that your boyfriend doesn't.
fromthisgirl 1 year ago
@fromthisgirl Nah...its just to say that people should 'not' be overdependent and 'not' allowed to do whatever they want
nodinitiative 1 year ago
You mean if a girl wants to use drugs because its her choice, then its ok?
i'm all for freedom of choice. but there must be a line between allowing someone do what they feel and from preventing them from destroying themselves or crossing the point of no return.
but i agree, edward is a confusing character.
nodinitiative 1 year ago
should have dumped edward in new moon for what he did to her!
oren12345678901234 1 year ago
I don't understand how Esme's character is anti-Feminist. How is having maternal and nurturing qualities sexist?!
BellaLove2081 2 years ago
Esme would be fine if there were other women that were the opposite of what she is. However the other women are either superficial or baby-obsessed, or a mix of both, with Leah being the exception as a bitter harpy instead. So the anti-feminist part of all this is that SO many of these women following the same formula is Meyer's way of saying this is how you should be, baby obsessed and focused only on pleasing others, not on being independent.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
@fromthisgirl well remember Meyer is Mormon...that's how they think women should be.
TheGraviox 1 year ago
@BellaLove2081 She's ant-Femenist because she's a total perfect mother, stepford wife stereotype. If she had other qualities that provded balance with those qualities would be fine, like she wanted to be a good mother but didn't have a nuturing side or something like that. But she doesn't and it's annoying
BriannaNLC 1 year ago
I never really though about the abuse until after i read the bookd. But it was clearly there. The most horrible part of the books was the fact that it could of had a happy ending. If she had just snapped out of it wand went with jacob. Because he was the best character and he really loved her. Instead they turned the only good goy in that book into a fucking pedpholie and it really pissed me off.
SAILOREARTH89 2 years ago
I'm consitered a female mysogynist who loves her hentai, and even I was turned off of Twillight. Does that make me an odd girl?
GueiGirl 2 years ago
Another thing I've noticed in the books:
Edward (vampire) can stalk Bella and it's "OMG suuuuuuper romantic!"
Mike (human) can ask Bella what she's doing after school, or worry about how Edward looks at Bella like Eddypoo wants to eat her, and Bella freaks out on him. I guess being human just isn't enough for some people.
That's another thing that annoys me, too. No matter who the character is, humans just AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH. Grrr.... :(
Good vids, BTW. :)
HeyRoriRose 2 years ago 12
Yeah, there's a lot of subtle trash-talk on just being human, which seems stupid to me. She keeps complaining about what a weak human she is, like being human is the worst thing in the world or something. In BD it's the most annoying, it's weird but it's like Meyer hates being human or something. I mean what other option does she have? Lol.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Lol, I dunno. It's really irritating, especially because I see a lot of girls now running around talking about how, "OMG, we want to be vampires, lalala!"
It's especially weird and sort of horrible, since Smeyer seems to have totally glossed over the whole "vampires KILL people" thing. Yeah, killing people is OMGSUPERSEXY. :(
HeyRoriRose 2 years ago
Edward Cullen Is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER!!!
TubaGlider2 2 years ago
Most men who sparkle arent into girls
TubaGlider2 2 years ago 33
@TubaGlider2 I think he's secretly using her to get to Jacob. ;P
SuperGrinningIdiot 1 year ago
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hey sis, you ugly ; so Eddy would never ever even spend half of a second looking at you, therefore you dont have any need of giving your discriminative and unjustified opinion about him, and obviosly you have never had a handsome person who corresponds you in love, so where do you get from all the things ur saying?
anthropofagos 2 years ago
@ anthropofagos
See, this is what I hate about unintelligent people, such as your self. When all else fails, throw out insults. Did you even pay attention to the things she was saying in her video. 1) It's her opinion. Just because it differs with yours, doesn't make it ok to verbally attack her. 2) Edward does do very abusive things. Have you ever had experience with emotional abuse? Evidently not, so I don't see how you can validate your statement. And lastly, take a class on grammar.
AmandaSpellings 2 years ago
@anthropofagos just the fact that you have a crush on a fictional character makes you not only sad, but pathetic.
napalmman420 2 years ago
you do realise Edward is a fictional character right? There is no way Edward will look at anyone BECAUSE HE IS NOT REAL!
EnigmaExtreme11 2 years ago
all those people that say u have nothing better to do are just mad because they know ur right. u made perfect points and they are just haters. TEAM JACOB!
186lelemartin186 2 years ago
Very True!!
kia18pink 2 years ago
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SO STUPID, GET A LIFE
sammyingful 2 years ago
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you are so ridiculous its not even funny. u don't know abuse. Look at Ike Turner Chris Brown
Oj Simpson- abusive
Edward Cullen- overprotective because he loves her. Sure my mother was overprotective. That doesn't make her abusive. So is my BF- overprotective and caring. Not abusive.
You need a life. Don't you have anything better to do than to make vidoes trashing a fictional character?
jazzpolata23 2 years ago
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jazzpolata23 2 years ago
very essay-apt and valid points. i've read the books and throughout i've gone "wtf Edward?" i'm Team Jake (i know the "Teams" are out of control and stupid).my pal (adores Edward and hates NM-Book2) refuses 2 c how unhealthy he and Bella are.
Bella...i don't even want her to be "Buffy" all-kickass or men-hating and all that, i just wanted her to not be delusional or absurd or melodramatic in every page. Leah Clearwater had the most sense out of all the female characters.
Sookie Stackhouse ftw
ooshadygirloo 2 years ago 5
You're awesome, girl! I wish more people were getting this message out. It scares me that teenagers think this is what a guy will do if he really likes you.
nerdsrocket 2 years ago 3
Simple fact, people anymore. Male or Female, are dumb as hell. But You, You are one of the smart ones.
Jumpybeaver 2 years ago
omg i totally agree with you!! 1. he DID leave her for no real reason, except to 'protect her' but only makes her (in my opinion) comit suicide to see edwardo. 2. if he wont let her see her own friend, DUMP HIS ASS TO THE GROUND! that is so not fair. and lastly, everyone is indepentent. edwardo had no right to keep her locked up from the world. LET HER BE WITH PEOPLE SHE CARES ABOUT! stupid Twitards dont get it
sailingfire2009 2 years ago 3
Don't forget the fact that Rosalie has her nice sit-down with Bella and says the reason she is so nasty to her. Why? Because she's wanted to be a mother all of her life and thus she's jealous of Bella's ability to have children! Doy! As others have pointed out, yes it's fine for people to want to have children, but EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in the series wants to be a frigging mother and the fact that Bella's the one who DOES have a kid just makes her more special (ugh).
ZeldaQueen64 2 years ago 7
Leah is the character I feel most sorry for...she isn't a complete harpy, she just has a friggen back bone, rather than being a preppy weak Mary Sue. Oh now, everyone has to be like BELLA. The only reason people like Twilight is because the people can put themselves in Bella's place. Oh yeah I really want to be in an abusive relationship with a pedo-pire.
AmayaNegato 2 years ago 4
Omg, the Leah thing? I completely agree with that. Leah is like, the only female character in the books that isn't completely submissive to a man. She's snarky and independent and strong willed, yet she's portrayed as a bitter harpy that everyone hates. SM's practically saying that if you show any positive traits as a female, everyone will hate you, and if you act like a clumsy, submissive, freakishly dependent fool you'll get eveything you want in life!
Cassy1843 2 years ago 7
Exactly, I think it's particularly crappy that Leah's heart was broken by the man she loved because he loved her cousin instead. This whole wolf thing was the worst thing that happened to her, it's the reason Sam imprinted on Emily and it's the reason that she can now hear his thoughts and hear how he loves another woman, yet for some reason she's made to look like the bitch in the whole situation because she naturally feels unhappy with it all. The werewolves should sympathize, not anatagonize.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Imprinting itself is horrid. The werewolf is essentially brainwashed and has their free will taken from them. Doesn't matter if they like it or not, they're mindwiped to like whoever's best to have their children.
As was the case with Leah, anybody who the werewolf previously loved or was in a relationship with is dumped on the wayside and considered a harpy if she refuses to accept it.
ZeldaQueen64 2 years ago 2
And the girl who gets imprinted on? Basically they say "Yeah, she's got a choice but they all end up with the werewolf in the end". I dunno, if some guy was that devoted to me maybe I'd be flattered but I'd also be freaked out. And what if the girl just didn't love him back? The werewolf would be heartbroken and the girl would probably be considered a shrew for not going along with it. And again, what if the girl had some guy she was with before the imprinting. Or if the girl's a total stranger?
ZeldaQueen64 2 years ago
I 100% agree with you on all of this and i am so glad other people see it too.
My biggest fear is that the crazy fangirls will grow up thinking this is what a relationship should be. America is going to have some major issues when these girls start having serious realionships. God help us all.
JimandPamfan 2 years ago
I just think it's so good that you pointed this out. 'Cause it's so true. And how can pepole not se this?
DolphinBello 2 years ago
Because they are dazzled by edwards "hotness".
Been there done that, unfortunatly.
:|
eirinbe 2 years ago
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Im not disagreeing with everything, but the true love bit you said ?
yeah... hmmm.. if you actually read the books properly or at all.. you would realise he leaves her because he didnt want to risk her becoming a monster (vampire) or him killing her in the end ?
Not romantic ?
It is !mostly because they shouldnt be together, it is his sacrifice for her that makes it a beautiful series of books and movies :D
The hostage bit ?
He doesnt want another vampire or ... Victoria !!! Killing Bella !
Jo230594 2 years ago
If I read the books properly? Pffft.
It isn't romantic. He left her outside, he then went into her house and stole all her things that related to him. He also dumped her in a pretty harsh way, and it was all because Edward is the type to be extremely dramatic and ridiculous. It was stupid, it was damaging, it was abusive. Not romantic.
You clearly don't remember why he took her hostage if you think it was because about Victoria. It wasn't, go re-read the book.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Bella allows Edward to abuse her because he is attractive. She can't say no to Edward and she fears that Edward might leave her. Bella sets feminism back 100 years
GGA44 2 years ago 41
@GGA44 that's true...if a guy or even girl is UGLY (by society's standards - not by your personal opinion of what good looks are), no one would put up with it...
arielc1ful 1 year ago
@GGA44 I think you mean 400.
WingCommanderVinyaya 1 year ago
why is meyer makin so much moeny? becuz the wurld is infsetid with idiots and meyer is very maninuptative and creepy :(
ChitoseTheGhost 2 years ago 4
The only not sexist thing in the ENTIRE SERIES is when Bella beats Emmett in the arm-wrestlig competition, and that was only because she was a newborn!
PhantomOfTheLibrary1 2 years ago 8
No, thats being Bella being Mary Sue.
HelloHiGoodday 2 years ago 5
the whole leaving-and-coming-back-saying-I-love-you-sooo-much thing is what my older sister's ex boyfriend did to her, and she cussed him out like nobody's buisness. I was waiting for Bella to do this, but she didn't, and I was like, what the crap?
PhantomOfTheLibrary1 2 years ago 9
I watched a few of your videos and am glad that you are putting this out there for the public. Society is still attracted to weak women and strong men as romance and we need more publicity that this is NOT ok.
newfienow 2 years ago 5
warning to whom ever dissagrees with 'fromthisgirl'; her arguements are completely built by facts that she has gathered and analyzed. the books are sexist. there is no denying that they are. when i first watched one of her videos, i disagreed with her, but talking to her and discussing her statements and why she beliefs what she beliefs made me realize that she is infact correct. i personally can't stand bella nor edward. both character are seriously irritating.--
X2cute2beXforgotenX 2 years ago 7
everytime i come back and watch her videos again, she has atleast one or two people debating with her over the fact that the book is sexist and/or edward is abussive and controlling, or better yet, imprinting. and how it is or isn't discusting. which in my own opinion imprinting is completely disturbing. from the first time i heard about imprinting i was repulsed by the mere thought of it. stephanie does make the women seem weak.
X2cute2beXforgotenX 2 years ago 2
'fromthisgirl' has pointed out many reasons why stephanie isn't the best writer and how the twilight saga is not the best reading material for most people.
X2cute2beXforgotenX 2 years ago
women are made to seem weak and defenceless so the men can be adimired by the reader. but it was not the best way to make the men stand out more than the women because in reality there are many women that can make men quiver in fear. twilight saga is sexist and no one can completely disagree with that fact.
X2cute2beXforgotenX 2 years ago 2
i agree with him leaving her and he made her a depressed phycotic. and she almost killed herself for mental halutionations (i no i spelt it rong) of edwards voice. so i agree with you on that edward was an idiot.
PaRaMoRxfreak1413 2 years ago
ur sexist counterargument makes no sense..is ur family sexist cause you've had a motherly figure in ur life..and plus alice has a power that rivals edwards..rosalie is suppose to be bitchy..and are victoria and jane and all the other women in other clans not strong and powerful as well....plus bella is a human the whole book is a contrast between vampires and humans not men and women...
skd162220 2 years ago
YOUR arguments make no sense, and you know what's the difference between you and me? I can actually back up my claims, you can't. "is ur family sexist" that's just a stupid thing to say. You think that because I've had a motherfly figure in my life then that automatically ties into the sexism? My mom is very much a mother as any, but that isn't her defining role in life. That's all Esme is. The mom, the wife, nothing else. Rosalie is the pretty blond bitch who thinks of nothing but her looks-
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
But all of the women in twilight fight with them men(besides bella) and mine make perfect sense..u said its sexist cause esme is a motherly figure..i asked if that makes ur family sexist if ur mother is a motherlyy figure...esme lost a child....edward, alice, rosalie, emmet and jasper are like her kids
skd162220 2 years ago
Do you remember who ends up causing Jacob to get hurt in Eclipse? Leah, remember? She thought she could handle more than she could and Jacob had to rescue her. Of all of them, it had to be her.
I said it's sexist in addition to the rest of the roles of women in the books. You're not understanding me at all. If say there were several other women in the books who were very strong, ideal women, and you had Esme who was exactly as she was, it would not make the books sexist. It would just be how-
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
-she is as a character. But when you add Esme's role as only a mother and wife to Alice's role as the shopaholic, material obsessed one and Rosalie's role as the one focused solely on her looks all the time, then you've got the makings of a sexist book. Take Harry Potter for example. If you had every female be like Molly Weasley, you'd have a sexist book, but it's not like that. You have Hermione, and you have McGonagall, and you have Luna, and so on. There's diversity in the roles of the women.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
i can't say i agree at all.....they all fight it's not like the men r like..."oh no the women can't fight..." there allowed to do what they want...no one stops them....no one in the cullens or out of vampires tells the women u have to stay home and cook and clean...they do what they want
skd162220 2 years ago
Actually, Jasper tries to stop Alice. When they're paired up to fight the wolves, the women are paired against the younger, weaker wolves and the stronger, older ones are paired against the men, Carlisle, Edward, Emmett, Jasper, etc.
You still don't get it, they don't have to tell them anything for them to be sexist, the women just ARE the way they are, I've already shown you the examples and you ignored them.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
that's jus there personality traits...
skd162220 2 years ago
and jasper does try and keep alice from fighting..but edward says she can take care of herself..i never recall anywhere in the book where the guys say..."girls r with the weaker ones" but if the women were paired with the weaker wolves they wuld still have to be doing more work..so that doen't make sense.
skd162220 2 years ago
How would the women do more work if they're paired with the weaker wolves? I'm talking against them, not with them. The women were set to fight the weaker ones because it is assumed that the stronger wolves would have to take on the stronger vampires, meaning the males.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
i don't recall them ever fightingagainst the wolves....and when there trying to practice in eclipse everyone gets a chance to learn...and all the women r free to do what they want..it's not like they have to stay inside and cook and clean..
skd162220 2 years ago
It's in Jacob's book when they're getting ready to attack because Bella is pregnant.
You are still not getting it. I'm not saying the women have to cook and clean, that isn't the standard for sexism, it's just based off the women being lesser than the men. Even if it's by the smallest amount, if ALL the women are less than the men, then it's sexist. The only exception is when Bella becomes a vampire, and you know why that happens? Because she's a self-insert Mary Sue.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
but see the women aren't lesser than the men....i've reaad the series 9 times and i never once thought they were sexist...i liked the girl characters
skd162220 2 years ago
Yes they are, they aren't as strong as the men, they're usually the ones to be blamed for something. Their original stories even revolve around them being weak or female unlike the men. Edward gets sick and Carlisle saves him. Carlisle gets attacked and becomes a vampire. Rosalie gets raped because of her beauty, Esme commits suicide because nothing mattered after her husband abused her and her child died. Emmet gets attacked by a bear and Alice is considered insane before she is bitten.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
i guess we jus don't see eye to eye...i don't think there sexist....maybe bella's character is a bit weak but thats it
skd162220 2 years ago
The men get these much easier, sometimes even heroic stories. Jasper even fought with the military and was still extremely valuable when he was turned. His power is very certain and definite, so is Edward, yet Alice's is erratic and difficult to use and doesn't even work unless it's on a human or vampire.
Hmm- have you ever been to Twilightsucks(dot)com? There are a million more examples there that would add to what I've already said.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Alice is the shopaholic. Immortality and all she wants is shiny fast cars and lots of clothes. Her power is unpredictable and unreliable while Edward's is useful everywhere and anywhere except with Bella. In fact, Edward makes it a point to USE Alice's power for his personal drama with Bella. That's how tough Alice is, she's used as Edward's watchdog. Jane is also a servant to those around her, and Victoria's existence is focused on getting revenge for a man that didin't even love her.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Alic being a shopaholic doesn't make the book sexist..it describes a trait she has...there are many strong women out there that r independent and love shopping....her power is always used. its unpredictable cause the future can change and it is reliable..the family uses her visions in eclipses to forsee when the attackers come...alice focuses on bela so when she sees things she tells edward so she can help protect bella cause bella is like a sister to alice..
skd162220 2 years ago
You're missing my point. Alice is addition to the behavior of the rest of the women makes the greater picture show that these books are sexist.
Pfft, there isn't even enough to support Alice and Bella being such good friends, but you know what I recall? I recall Edward yelling at Alice for not keeping a good eye out for Bella, and Alice complaining that he had her looking at too many things. Alice serves and excuses Edward's behavior all the time, she is not representative of a strong female.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
he's her freaking brother...and he apoligized to her..and felt bad..of course alice isn'tt going to hate her own brother..
skd162220 2 years ago
I'm not saying Alice should hate him, I'm saying she shouldn't be his watchdog. Did I say Alice should hate him and never talk to him again? I don't recall doing that.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Alice can be nice and helpful to edward...she can do him favors...she's being nice..it's diff. than sexist
skd162220 2 years ago
I don't think you're very good at understanding certain concepts. I already explained to you that one particular factor in the book does not make it sexist, it's all the factors added up together that makes it sexist. You have to keep that in mind, or you'll never understand anything I'm saying.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
I understand..i jus don't agree...and it's hard for me to explain it..
skd162220 2 years ago
Then I can't be swayed to your way of thinking if my explanations are clearer than yours.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Victoria's life revolves around a man and we are not taught to pity her but to hate her, and we're shown just how weak she is considering Edward manages to kill her quickly. None of these women are to be admired. So what if Bella is human? What does that have to do with this? And don't tell me that's what makes her weak compared to Edward, because I've already explained I'm not talking about physical abilities. Look at the girls in the werewolf tribes as well. Emily gets slashed in the face-
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Jane orders others around...except maybe aro...in eclipse edward says...jane culd senf felix to do... this shows that jane has powers over others..and she has an incredible talent....Victoria is the leader of all of the newborns..she creates them and leads them..and i'm pretty sure james did love her..and she's kinda gettin revenge for his murder......with the werewolves i don't think its sexist but i don't think its right...i feel bad for leah an emily..more leah though
skd162220 2 years ago
Do you envy Jane? Is she a character you like? Just curious here. She's not made to be a desirable character, she's an evil little person who does someone's bidding when they need her powers. Why exactly are you telling me she represents a strong character again?
Victoria is the leader of something that isn't hard to lead, and why is she doing it? Because of the man that got killed that didn't even love her. If you think he did, then you need to re-read Eclipse, Edward tells us he didn't.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
ohhhhh....but still she is the leader of the vampires...she culd have killed victoria and made laurent live and do it...but stephanie didn't
skd162220 2 years ago
"gettin revenge for his murder" Her existence is focused on that. On her man. That's my point.
Do you think Emily should have stayed with Same to cook for the pack all the time?
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
-by a man who supposedly loved her. What does she do? Stay with him and cook for him and the rest of the pack. Her life, as we see it, is spent baking at home waiting for Sam. What does that teach you? If your man hurts you, but feels really, really terrible about it, then it's true love and you should forgive him. Not only sexist, but it teaches girls to forgive abuse. Leah is hated for a lot of the time and then gets treated like some abnormality because she's a woman.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Yeah, he was TRYING to, but he didn't succeed. He does care about her, and has the best intentions at heart, but when he acts...
That makes her a weak character. She needs to speak up for herself.
Also, she said something like, "Oh, I could never fight Edward... he's to strong. Too fast."
She was scared of him too. She said she, "felt safe with Jacob" implying that she didn't with Edward.
She's trapped in a relationship full of lies.
aep2398 2 years ago 2
bella doesnt care if edward is abusive, all she cares about is the fact that hes hot and hes a "vampire". and yea if edward were described as ugly bella wouldve been like get the hell away from me, and if she found out he stalks her every night she wouldve called the cops or something. but since he is "gorgeous" he can get away w/ almost anything
vAnillAcOla35 2 years ago 3
edward sucks. end of
Viirjo 2 years ago 4
You ind of make me feel sorry for Bella with your rants.
aep2398 2 years ago
Totally agree for two main reasons.
1. Why does Edward even want to be with Bella if he clearly doesn't respect her? 2. And in what sick world is it romantic for someone to break into someone's house and watch him or her sleep? Watching someone sleep is ONLY romantic in the context of a marriage or serious relationship where they fall asleep together, not "we're not even going out yet and you stalked me."
TimeTravelerJessica 2 years ago
It's romantic in the eyes of a fan because Edward is so gorgeous. If he were an ugly man, they wouldn't like it and think he was a total creep, same goes for the proxy, Bella. It's a totally vain and shallow reason, but it's true.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
Like if Mike had watched her; they would be like, "Ohmygosh. that's creepy, and illegal!"
aep2398 2 years ago 5
hey mike's not that ugly .. ! anyways. .
i think these videos are a bit silly , but anyways, your choice (to fromthisgirl, obviously):
why do you hate the books so much, wouldnt it be better just to ignore them and let the people that like twilight like twilight, and then you can go love whatever u love.
u focus so much on how edward does everything wrong. what kinda book would it be if he, nd every1 else were perfect?
he might be 100 yrs old but he's still "human". nobody's perfect.
pinkegecho 2 years ago
LOL. I know he's not, but he's, "human" so... no one likes him. :(
I hate them because of the effect they have on young girls. You may not be one of the crazy fangirls, but there are a lot of them out there. And they want their own 'personal' Edward. Or Jacob.
And they HURT people because of their opinion, and it's SICK. And until SMeyer does something about it, it's going to go on, and on, and on, and we've GOT to do something to convince them.
aep2398 2 years ago
And YES, everyone DOES have flaws, but Bella doesn't recognize Edwards flaws, or quirks, and so the readers think he;s perfect. Or near perfect.
And also, Edwards so called 'flaws' aren't acceptable! If you bite your nails, or tend to snap at people when you're nervous, that's fine! But when you stalk 17-year-old girls, and abuse them, that's when I draw the line.
It's wrong, and sick, and people think it's ROMANTIC. O_O It's... so wrong.
aep2398 2 years ago 2
well, if the book was just like all of you guys clearly want it to be.. smeyer wouldn't make any money. and thats the point of a book, to earn money. it's her JOB. and if crazy fangirls (harmless fangirls mostly) love the books, then she makes more money, so why should she do anything about it?
i personaly think the books are great, not because of the book, but because of the way they're written. they're great.
i dont think the readers find edward perfect, but maybe the idea of having someone
pinkegecho 2 years ago
like edward in their life, cause he's so glorious, or whatever. i think they're relationship is great actually, but that's just my opinion.. and i guess i'm not gonna get much backup from people watching this video..
anyways, he's a vampire, so of course he's different. mike wouldn't really get a shot at watching her sleep cause he can't climb into her window, now can he..?
but, just gonna say it again, stop caring. the fangirls arent gonna commit suicide to prove their love or anything..
pinkegecho 2 years ago
-cont.
Yes, but that's shallow. Not a good quality. WHY do you think their relationshipd is so freakin' great!? That's the question we're asking here! What can they relate to? What personal jokes do they have? Do they REALLY love each other? WHY!? Don't SHOW, and not TELL.
Yeah, but when has that ever changed anything except, "He's super-duper hot!" and, "He can run fast! And he's STRONG! Why don't you love him?! Omgbg4rtihnujappleuthrutbannanaiejriapple!"
Yeah. He's a vamp. So?
aep2398 2 years ago
-cont.
It hasn't heightened their emotions. There is no special vampire law, just for them. They cannot break the law, unless they are "The Bad Guys" (in Smeyers book, at least).
No, Mike could. If he really wanted to, he could bring a ladder. But Edward would too, if he was human, and REALLY wanted to watch her.
Yeah, I'll stop caring, when you stop caring, kid. Which means, you stop rep-ly-ing. I care, because I'm really passionate about this subject. I believe it's a very minor case, and
aep2398 2 years ago
Another thing. About Meyer making money.
Lets say (hypothetically)... A lot of anti-Potters (which you rarely see) were getting hurt, because Potter fangirls were mad. So they hurt people. Innocent people, who just got hurt for sharing their opinion.
Lets say (hypothetically) that you were not a Potter fan. And so, you spoke out against it. And then one day someone broke, say, your legs. And they kept doing it over, and over and over again. Just hurting you. Not even sending you to the
aep2398 2 years ago
-cont.
hospital, just hurting you. Maybe just bruising you, or tripping you in the hallway...
And then you heard, "WAIT! Other people are having it happen to them too?!"
Would you want J.K. Rowling to call it off? Tell me, truthfully-- would you? Because SO many people were having it happen to them!
Not necessarily physical pain, but emotional, and mental? Sometimes even sexual. Yeah, it's happened.
Would you want something done? Just some help, by the person that can help the most?
aep2398 2 years ago
Also, I don't understand what you mean when you said something like, "...the fangirls are raking in more cash, when they hurt other people." Maybe not in so many words...
I just don't get that. So people are getting hurt- how is that supposed to make people buy Meyers books? I would think it would turn most people OFF the series.
You make little sense, pinkegecho.
aep2398 2 years ago
She ashamed of herself. She can't admit it. Or she's just blocking all the critique out with white noise. She's spineless. Real authors would KNOW when they've caused something like this. And they would say, "Guys, it's JUST a book! Stop hurting people over it!"
Yes, that's why I hate them. They shed positive light, on negative situations. It's sick. She's sick (Meyer). The fangirls are.
Yes, they do. He's an, "Adonis-like God," remember? (Either him, or Jacob).
aep2398 2 years ago
I did enjoy reading the series, but it's really obvious that is has flaws.
Another abusive thing Edward did, in
Breaking Dawn, when they had sex, afterwards Bella was all bruised up and Bella said it was okay, and she felt insecure, and Edward was saying he was sorry, and it wouln't happen again...
Thats what they all say.
MarSuLe8 2 years ago 6
edward and bella isn't love!
he hurts her!
would you hurt you wife?
or your husband?
this isn't true love at all! :5
cynder401 2 years ago 3
basically the book is incredibly sexist and retarted. Jacob was kind of cool until he imprited on the baby.
devilshomie 2 years ago 4
Hey in the game Mirror's Edge, Faith a female free runner and kicks ass, mens and women's ass fighting the totalitarian government. I think Faith would beat Edward in a fight any day. She is a good example of a strong female fictional character both mentally and physically. Even I look up to her. You have to be female to look up to her.
Nadine375 2 years ago 9
I used to like Twilight, then I started reading between the lines and felt disgusted.
Edward is controlling and emotionally destroys Bella. None of the women in the book are able to do anything and are kept under control expect for Bella at the very, very, very end of the fourth book only to make the pathetic character of Bella finally do something worthwhile.
eeo12 2 years ago 8
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rosalie? alice? esme? tanya? kate? (so on so on..)
yes they're all vampires, but thats because humans are weaker than vampires. (if they existed)
the book is basically about edward, bella, and jacob. three *people*. and they all have flaws. big deal. edward is controlling, (but i dont think he emotionally destroys her) jacob is well, ridiculous, (a teen boy, hello?), and bella is weak. deal with it.
if u dont like the twilight saga, then ignore it. just like i ignore disney-stars. ;P
pinkegecho 2 years ago
Finally, someone who is sane.
Amazing.
eeo12 2 years ago 3
twilightwerd 2 years ago
Yes twilight is just a book but millions of teenage girls fans from around the world see twilight as a ''bible'' but extremely dumbed down,Bella and Edward are made for each other because they are both ''superficial air heads'' with no personality,Edward is a pale headed fuck who is a stalker and low life,Bella is a stupid teenager who lets a vampire tell her what to do,also Bella has issues, she lets a vampire watch her in her sleep for months on end.
fenderboy88 2 years ago 13
okay well let them love twilight and see it as a bible! I mean why do u have to talk about things in such a negative way. I'm clearly aware of those things however it's not reality and it's not a big deal. I mean u don't see me making videos about movies that have talking animals!
twilightwerd 2 years ago
You're not getting the point. If I think something is promoting sexism and abuse, and I think girls are learning from these books entirely the wrong way then of course I'm going to say something negative about it. YOU may not find that making sure girls in the coming generations don't end up as mindless idiots is important, but I do.
fromthisgirl 2 years ago
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If you hate twilight so miuch dont f'in tlk about it honey its really annoyin =p
mollymania606 2 years ago