Do any of you in the United States of American want the same devestated results in a 2nd Armed Civil War, Federal Government Loyalists and the Tea Party Republican Rebals, as shown during 2nd Chinese Civil War 1946-49?
The severe problem that resulted in an Nationalistic defeat were their low combat morale and dicipline, they often desterted to the communists which is a very strong factor in the resulting Guomindang defeat.
For an example, in July 1945 the national revolutionary army had a army consisting of 4 300 000 men and the communists had at that time 1 200 000 men, but in 1949 the nationalists "only" had 1 490 000 men and the commies 4 000 000. This was mostly due to desterting and POW's
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Also lack of ammo was a key factor . ROC forces could only produce 8% of their ammo and during the arms embargo they weren't allowed to gain a single round of ammunition from US. Even after the Embargo the US only gave the ROC forces 1 month worth of supplies . Another reason is during WW2 the KMT bled itslelf and lost a lot of elite men, while the KMT did have elite men after WW2 internal and external problems made it impossible for Chiang to use to his advantage.
Well as you say it must've been a strong factor to their defeat, the ROC forces lost their best men against the japs, they lost their air support and the most vital support from USA
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well they didn't lose all their elites to the Japs. They still had the New 1st and 12th armies and other ones however they did lose more than 50% their elites though.After WW2 these elite armies first dealt winning blows to the PLA but as time went on without ammo, your army would be exhausted right and thats what happened . US Embargo made it impossible for them to obtain arms , so they were fighting with leftover weapons from WW2.
I assume that the KMT elite soldiers were the troopers who were drilled by german generals and armed with german weapons, for example the 423 soldier of the 88th division who defended the Sihang warehouse against thousands of japanese soldiers and caused them heavy casualties but who were later obliterated in the battle of Jinzhou
When the KMT actually had ammo, their operations proceeded with succes!
When they ran out, they couldn't use the modern US arms they recieved!
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well....you could look at it that way however it was morale as well. Weapons are one thing but you need the will to ujse it. In WW2 The KMT didn't have much ammo but morale led to their victories unlike Civil War where there morale dropped so rapid. Battle of Jinzhou, you mean civil war one ? All German trained units were said to have been wiped out in WW2, from what I heard.
Yea alot of them were wiped out, especially in the Battle of Nanking but the remnants of the german trained troops were reorganized into other National Revolutionary Army divisions who saw small action in '48 - '49
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well even if NRA had these troops within their ranks it wouldn't have done much as their numbers were too few. Well morale wasnt't the major problem but one of the major problems.
@RepublicofChina1000 The low morale resulted in a very high amount of deserting among the soldiers, we are talking about millions of deserting soldiers.
At Chiang's final assault he only had 50 000 soldiers at his disposal.
@RepublicofChina1000 actully , morale WAS the major problem. the defeat of the KMT rest upon 2 major factors, moral and lack of cooperation with the warlords. i place morale first due to the fact that it allowed the PLA to swell their numbers with defectors
@powereater Major Factors for KMT defeat: Morale loss, Spies leaking out vital military plans, commanders unable to cooperate, Ammo depletion, KMT traitors purposely walking into ambushes and loss of many Nationalist elites in WW2 replaced by raw recruits. As you can see all these were major problems , it's hard to choose which harmed the KMT most. Morale contributed about 50% of the defeats , the rest were by all the other factors listed above.
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED They didn't lose air support well ....not all of it. However doing multiple occasions their air support couldn't be of use due to climate , enemy ground resistance or inability to coordinate attacks. As for US suporting China , Truman felt scared at the Nationalists rising power and was afraid of it challenging US. so he didn't supply them with ammo...hence the Arms Embargo.
I have to say...the background music is kind of obnoxious! Also, this scene is well put together but it is to frantic and the shots change way too fast. You can hardly see what is happening before it switches to the next shot!
Nationalists at the time were american puppets. Which is what the Japanese accused the nationalist party of. They used this as a pretext for why the invasion of China was justified. Likewise, americans later accused the Communists of being Soviet puppets. But its pretty clear today that isnt really the case.
Wow, I should have guessed any comment thread on a clip from this movie would be politically charged.
Let me just say a few things; I'm not exactly a CCP sympathiser - most of my family were heavily persecuted during the cultural revolution and my dad marched at Tiananmen Square.
HAVING SAID THAT, the "Mao killed 60 million" line is actually really disputable and from one questionable historical source. Furthermore, let's not pretend that the ROC and Taiwan was all fine and dandy.
(cont) ...it was only in the late 80's that Taiwan began to approach even resembling a free democracy. For most decades of its existence it was a brutal police state. My grandfather was sentenced to death at the age of 18 (thankfully he survived) during the White Terror which saw gangsters and mafiosos employed by the KMT slaughter unionists and left wing activists.
It took many decades of unqualified economic aid from the US for the RoC to become decent - something China never had.
@crazedmongoose03 its questionable yes, but i do believe the general consensus among most historians is that at least 20 million died for starvation and neglect during his great leap forward. 20 million dead in three or so years is still outrageous, especially when it was so easily avoidable.
Sad day... I love this movie, and I really appreciate Gu's character, but I still cheer when each of Gu's men gets killed. I will always root for the NRA (ROCA).
If you are defending the communists, then you are blind to the blood of 40+ millions Chinese, and hundreds millions more of families broken up, people's life destroyed! If these means NOTHING to you, then end of discussion. Communism is EVIL. Pure and simple.
@gsmiro I'm not trying to defend them as I am actually stating the cold hard facts. People died of famine due to poor government management in over collectivization. With the combination of a harsh drought and a rapidly increasing unsustainable population, it is a tragedy that it has happened. However, you describe the notion of famine as something purposeful without any explanation other than to see people dead. You can say communism is flawed, which is absolutely true.
@Azamspazam91 Well first, you have to analyze on the potential outcome of what the ROC could do for China. This isn't about picking sides due to ideology. It would be hypocritical of me to say the authoritarian system is the only way to go while I live in a democratic society. However, I do see that the PRC system is gaining momentum in providing a higher living standard. The road isn't easy obviously. You have government corruption and lack of opportunity, which can easily be blamed on the CCP
However, all that I've just said can be said for underdeveloped democracies such as India. So corruption and lack of oppertunity is more in tuned with poor economies rather than the CCP. Human rights is a very touchy issue that people CAN blame the CCP. The issue is that 1.3 billion people is a large population. Letting people say anything that may destabilize the country into factions is probably the biggest problem that the country faces.
So I'm a firm believer of pragmatic decisions that may hurt a few, but provide overall positive results for the general welfare of the country. In all I support the PRC in being the legitimate power of the Mainland. I can also explain about the ROC. In the past it shows that it supported the ruling oligarchy landlords at the expense for most of the population. A lot of Taiwan's financial success was at the expense of the Mainland due to the relocation of the country's gold reserves.
If you want my true opinion, I probably would of preferred one China under the ROC with the CCP imbedded such as during Sun Yet-San. Moderate politics of China probably would of made a much better China today. So says my professor.
@rex22neo But the ROC hasn't been part of any decisions in mainland china for decades. Could it really make a smooth transition or would the unity of china be thrown into chaos? Would separatists from Tibet and Xinjiang take the transition as an opportunity for revolt?
@Azamspazam91 They would most definitely. Uighurs in Xinjiang are already plotting terror attacks and killing Han people. The Tibetans would riot as well, though the CCP might negotiate with the Dalai Lama.
@Noobssuckass300 Is there a Uighur alquida wing? who plans these terror attacks and under what doctrine/context? I would agree with a unified free diverse China. When Muslims take things into their own hands things arent necessarily better! (pakistan afghanistan.)
@Azamspazam91 The Uighurs receive no support from other Arabs whatsoever. Even Saudi Arabia agrees with the CCP's policy regarding Uighurs. Al Qaeda doesn't have a problem with China. Terror attacks usually result from racial conflict between ethnic han and Uighurs. However, there are also radical Islamists who are also separatists.
@gsmiro But the fact you say it is evil shows how little you know about the causes of these revolutions and why things happen the way it did. You probably think Mao enjoyed seeing his people starve.
@rex22neo In real life, there are things that are black and white.
If you disagree, then tell me: where is the grey area in the Rape of Shanghai? The Holocaust? The slave trade? How would you explain to the victims of Jeffrey Dahmer that he was not evil?
@jochannon Do you really think that Mao had intentions of starving his own people? I acknowledge that some of Mao's ideas were not that great, some of his ideas backfired, others succeeded. In order for a country to reform there may have to be sacrifices and not intentional ones. Overall, Mao along with Deng Xiaoping have lead China out of the dark ages. To us Chinese, he is a Hero, but to westerners, he is portrayed as evil and tyrannical, due to the western's lack of understanding of China.
@TheXXiao There are lots of countries where peoples' idea of being led 'out of the dark ages' does NOT include killing millions and millions of people. Countries like. . . Taiwan.
Incidentally, how much is the Chinese government paying for favorable posts these days?
@jochannon Taiwan was supported by USA, therefore they did not get out of the Dark Ages independently they had to rely on another country to do so. Basically 70% came from the US, and 30% came from there own people and Chiang Kai Shek. The reason why the US did this is because they wanted to use Taiwan against us by first getting them independent then supporting them further on. Honestly, I do not know where you guys come up with these Chinese government jokes, it's quite pathetic to be honest.
@TheXXiao Not quite so pathetic as the 50 cent party, which you evidently are a member of.
Yeah, the US helped Taiwan, because that's what people in Democracies do: we help people. What we don't do is cause man-made famines that kill tens of millions of our own people.
It's sad to "relive" the darkest history of our country, the Communist take over of China. To see the defenders of the Republic being wasted like flies, and to realize that many of them are the fathers or grandfathers of our friends and relatives....you can't watch this movie if you know how evil the Communists are....truly evil...
@SuperForeverKpop none of them were Korean they were all Chinese it was during the Chinese civil war democracy vs communism. The national revolutionary army were the men running up the hill and to answer your other question the "taiwanese" people were the national revolutionary army.
The Cold War is one of the deadliest conflicts in the world. Both the Communist and the Right-Wing force suffered heavy casualties for what they believed in. The Right-WIng Capitalist believed that countries are pushed to war because of Soviet Imperialism and Chinese management while the Communist believed that countries are seized and pushed to war because of U.S imperialism with Taiwanese and South Korean management.
....dont wanna get into religion but we only have one side of the story for all we know god could be evil and he could also be good we dont know and wont know till we're six feet down
@myballisticbeetz123 cheaply made versions of the german hand grenade by the Nationalist army. The PLA just looted and took them every time they won a battle
@myballisticbeetz123 they are stick grenades.They are just containers that contain explosives.They are not small as our hand grenade but stick grenades pack a huger punch.That why use them in every battle.If you back then how to throw a stick then you throw a stick grenade
@rarerayrules i spoke with people on taiwan and from the mainland. not all were cantonese. the communists did more than there share of brainwashing the people in china as well. the bible is the primary source of proof of Jesus. believing in Him, is a matter of faith. thats your choice.
@bigblondman1 with all due respect the bible is just a book, the only reason we believe in Jesus and the bible is because of centuries of European practice and influence, if Europe didn't expand around the world, but it was the asian countries that expanded you'll be worshiping Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto and even Confucian. Their books or other religious objects would be the primary source of proof for their religion is the true ones instead of Christianity.
@Methyll with the same respect toward you, if the bible is just a book then there is no Christ and no salvation for mankind through christianity. actually the philosophy of buddism comes remarkably close to christianity. im not familiar with the others. other religions are philosophy. only christianity has a Savior . its all a matter of choice and faith that Jesus is the Savior. Budda never said he was or is the savior. only Jesus stated that He is, then died on the cross and ressurected.
@bigblondman1 I believe Jesus only say that he is a savior because he wants to give the people of that time hope, because it was after all not good era for many people. Now don't get me wrong personally I believe in God but I don't believe in the Christianity or any other kind of religion out there. I believe God is far more complex then we ever hope to understand, and I think as long as we do good, help and respect each other God will be satisfied, no matter if we believe or disbelieve him.
@Methyll your thoughts are indeed good, well intended. but, you miss the point. Jesus was born a man to make Himself LESS complex, and save the world. He came to show that He is the way, truth, and life. its a message for all, not just for the people of that time. the bible teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are three manifestations of the same God. Father, Son,and Holy Spirit. God in the bible calls Jesus His ONLY begotten Son. whosoever believes in HIm will have eternal life.
@bigblondman1 Humanity is no less complex, even today we still question how we think, our motives and etc from all we know Jesus could be an alien that we misinterpreted. But anyway God created humanity and maybe other lives in the universe, as such he is our father. Now one thing I know is a father would want his children to be independent and good. And that's my believe that god does not need us to believe or worship him, as long as we live our lives to the best, he will always love us.
@Methyll you cannot achieve heaven without Jesus. the bible teaches salvation by faith. if you as a believer choose to believe it. its a committment that you make as a believer. otherwise you can philosophize all you want. the bible teaches accepting Jesus as your Savior, being forgiven for your sins, and receiving eternal life through your faith in Him. God doesnt need us. He loves us. its we who need Him. thats why He sent Jesus. you cannot receive eternal life without Him. He's the answer.
@bigblondman1 to me I believe in God but not a worshiper because I don't believe in the teachings of any of the religions. For me God is there and that's it. If God decides to punish me because I'm not committed to the Christian faith, even if I'm a compassionate person to my fellow men, than he does not deserve my respect. Oh yeah just a question if Aliens exist and they made contact with us how do you think Christianity will react to it? just want you thought on it.
@Methyll well. you are entitled to believe as you wish. but thats how christianity works. thats what the bible teaches. its your choice to accept it or not. regarding judgement, thats up to God to decide how you or anyone will be judged. you dont have to be committed to the christian faith. you need to be committed to God by your faith. God is a just judge according to the bible. He deserves everyones' respect, simply because Hes God. how He judges us should never diminish that respect.
@Methyll aliens existing? im no expert on that. i dont have any perfect answer for that. but the bible teaches any spirit that does not aknowledge Jesus as the Savior is the wrong spirit and is not of God but of the devil. i suppose that if aliens approached me the first question i would ask is do they believe in Jesus as the Savior, not just in Jesus alone. because the devil believes in Jesus but hates Him. so the key regarding aliens is to be wary. whether they be flesh or spirit.
@bigblondman1 Well the Universe is vast and the chances of millions of different Aliens are extremely high. And it's highly unlikely that they would follow the same religion at all, some may have advanced to the point of considering religion is primitive thinking. Now if you are to think that way then there are virtually a near infinite number of different believes and view, and our will be a small insignificant one amongst them who to say that ours is wrong and the aliens are the right?
@Methyll dont let your own human imagination over think. that does not supersede the infinite wisdom of God. you think and believe as you wish. i believe the bible is the inspired word of God and no other aliens out there are unknown to God or wiser. they may be unknown to us. but by putting God first and having Jesus as my Savior. i dont need to fear or overthink any alien possibilites. they can be as real as ever. but all things were created by God and are subject to Him not above Him.
@bigblondman1 I'm just saying that anything is possible since there is just so much we still don't know, humanity could be created by Aliens for all we know and impersonate as divine beings just to guide us. In any case the main reason why I don't follow any particular religion, because said religion or ideal may not be the correct one and I'm not going to waste my life on it. For now I think I'm fine where I am now. Anyway it's good having this discussion and we didn't start insulting eachother
@CommunistPowers i never read anything about the u.s. aiding the communists. unless you mean that the commies infiltrated the kmt army and gov. and stole aid that was meant for the kmt. also redirected supplies to be sold on the black market. the us never trained pla troops unless they were infiltraters that later left the kmt and joined the ccp.. the us acknowledges that the prc wants one china, but doesnt agree that it should be the prc. please respond through my site.so will i.
Scroll down and find "THE CHINA STORY". I read the first two chapters and had to stop reading because my blood was literally boiling. More I've read, more pissed I got. The thing is that much of the first 2 chapters I was already told of by my grandfather (who was an intelligence agent) through my father (grandfather dead). I was a little skeptical until I read those 2 chapters, which erased all doubts about I had about what I was told.
@LiouTao well i cant find it. ill try again. but i am familiar with other sources. the book by jay taylor, the generalissimo, is very insightful regarding how chiang kai shek felt and why he did what he did for better or worse. thanks again.
@LiouTao i just found it and read it. wow!!! i never knew all those details. youre right its quite sickening to say the least. i can only make this assumption. there were communists in the state department or communist sympathizers who helped to sabatage the efforts of the nationalists. if im wrong. i dont know why else this was allowed to happen. thanks again for the info. it really opened my eyes. if you have a better answer, please tell me.
@bigblondman1 From an objective point of view, I cannot say that there was a conspiracy.I acknowledge that there were communists who swayed the decisions of those dealing with the issue, but I stop short of saying there was a conspiracy. I can only say that the United States are at least half the reason why the mainland was lost through many of their actions. I can say what the United States has done, but I can't say why the United States did what they did.
@LiouTao i agree. i can only speculate the u.s. didnt want ww3 to escalate in china or korea, because they had other priorites in europe. that may be part of it. i cannot understand why the u.s. gov. allowed so much communist sympathizers to function as they did. i dont understand why they set up the r.o.c. to loose. the u.s. simply let stalin have his way. i can speculate many other theories. but that doesnt change the fact the r.o.c. was sold down the river. shameful and sad.
@LiouTao yes, sad but true. but i still cannot comprehend why the u.s. would tolerate any of it. or why it was so popular to some people. i can only assume that the people in high places that were fellow travlers or sympatizers must have been somehow paid off in a big way. otherwise, i just dont know. now my hope for the r.o.c. is even more strong and resolute for them to somehow succeed. war is not the answer, but, they are prepared for it. or politically which may be the answer nowadays.
@CommunistPowers the point is communism and nationalism dont mix. chiang was a devout buddist and a confuscionist. mao was a marxist. the two dont mix. the ccp dissolving itself means that they go away politically and operate under a new name or are absorbed by other parties. they may be slowly. but they are still communist, perhaps not in appearance but, in principle. also, marshall tried to get chou en lai to unify pla and ccp with the roc. kmt chou refused. they refused each other.
@CommunistPowers the u.s.do not agree to one china policy, they only acknowledge it. thats politics. its called splitting words. the us.still supports the r.o.c. thats why the p.r.c. gets upset when the us. provides military aid to the r.o.c. the r.o.c. IS the true china of sun yat sen. the roc will never surrender to the prc. thats never been made clear. the r.o.c. is what i prefer. taiwan roc will never agree to the p.r.c taking over taiwan prc has no right to taiwan. one china is the roc
@CommunistPowers manchuria was the most crucial. chiang committed his best troops there. the battle of melinglianghu, crossing the yantzse river, seige of nanking. during the war about 40% of nats. troops went over to the ccp. the warlords were mostly shifty oppurtunists and went either way. some went into burma. you have it backwards chiang was deserted by many troops. he and his son retreated to taiwan. later, over 2million people followed and also 600,000 troops followed as well.
@CommunistPowers the time to strike was in 1965, because of the cultural rev. to do so later was not politically prudent for the u.s.because in the 80s, 90s they were on different terms with the prc. you misunderstand. i said that the two flags will never be side by side cuz they are so opposed. the u.s. would support the roc if taiwan is attacked for any reason because the us has legal status by usmg. i think you dont uinderstand cuz you werent taught all the facts.or were taught to ignore
@CommunistPowers i also wish you would not fly that communist flag. i wouldnt brag about that. that flag has stood for more oppression than anything else no matter how hard you avoid that historical reality. in a new one china, it wont be any different if they still fly that flag. taiwan, r.o.c. will never accept that flag. neither will the communists accept the flag of the republic of china. they should,because thats the real republic. but they dont even teach their own people that history.
@CommunistPowers under what gov what flag what anthemn taiwan will not become a province of a china under the ccp or prc.. the communist flag will never fly over taiwan. i dont know the answer. if somehow one new gov. is formed including the ccp and the roc i dont think that would ever work. they are diametrically opposed politically. i cant see how they can unite. the prc will have to dissolve itself like the old soviet union did. then the roc and a reformed china might work. i still wonder
@CommunistPowers do you mean under taiwan gov roc? taiwan will never agree to unify with the prc. and its the r.o.c army not taiwan. i never said that the roc would attack. i said taiwan would rather fight a war if the pla tries to attack taiwan for any reason. why do try try to twist my words? is that intentional or do you just not understand my points? the rep. of sun yat sen still is the true china. the ccp are thugs who took over by lies, deception and sabatoge. the roc. is also china.
@CommunistPowers that could be true. but its a shame. because thats not the america i was raised to believe in. that they would turn there back on a loyal ally and let it be overrun in the name of economic trade and profits. this is a different world. but its not a better one. and like it or not the us. has legal status over taiwan. so for that reason regardless of the circumstances i think the us. would get involved militarily even if taiwan declares independence. the us. already aids the roc.
@CommunistPowers s.korea was recognized by th u.n. as the republic of korea. and the u.s. and other nations came to their aid. the us. gave the kmt $4billion aid they gave the kmt equip, advisors and trained them. but traitors and ccp propaganda helped to corrupt the kmt gov. money was stolen, equip sold on the black market and ccp infiltrated kmt gov and army. why is the ccp afraid of what their people think. maybe they want to be like the us. true china is rep. of sun yat sen 100 years.
@CommunistPowers thats my point. i never said that you said that. i dont believe the u.s. would sit back and do nothing even if taiwan declares independence. the u.s should still come to taiwans' aid. i like to believe they still would.even under those circumstances.
@CommunistPowers which china roc or prc? taiwan will never submit to prc control. they will rather fight a war. the u.s would step in because of their legal status. the prc will have to dissolve itself or make some clever adjustment to bring the kmt and a reformed ccp under one gov and flag. which on?. the roc will not give up its flag and will not be absorbed by the prc and fade away. so unification under who is still a big question. the republic of sun yat sen is the true china 100 years
@CommunistPowers no, taiwan belonged to japan from 1895 till 45 when kmt took over. but japan never surrendered sovreignty to the roc or prc. accor.to treaty of san fran 1952, japs surren. claims of taiwan to the us. it became a us.customs territory. the us doesnt govern by civil but has legal status by usmg adm. one china shouldnt mean the ccp taiwan will never surrender to ccp control. taiwan must be roc controlled china wont be unified if the ccp tries to rule taiwan that would start a war.
@CommunistPowers youre evasive again. that has nothing to do with my previous comment. during the civil war that was true. the reason for that was communist propaganda that expanded that notion out of proportion. but the simple minded people then believed it and were fooled. but what does that have to do with today, free elections, and the ccp taking responsibility for their crimes of the past. also the ccp having an officeon taiwan. dont go off on another tangent, answer what i asked.
@CommunistPowers the pla had no business invading korea.the us was not threatening china. they were after the n. koreans. also your talking three different subjects and confusing the issue. the ccp has no business invading taiwan if they declare independence. they just arrogantly believe taiwan is part of china. its not. its a us. customs territory. thats why i dont believe the us. would do nothing if taiwan gets invaded even if they declare independence. ccp has no legal claim to taiwan ever
@CommunistPowers the us.never lost ground in vietnam. they left voluntarily. at the start,n.korea overran s. korea and the us held the pusan perimeter. mac arthur invaded inchon and caught the n. koreans by surprise and sent then to manchuria. the us.didnt want to escalate the war. mac arthur wouldnt fall back china invaded korea. i dont think the u.s. would sit back and let pla invade taiwan even if they declare independence. the us should have supported chiang instead of vietnam, not both
@CommunistPowers yes, but not all at once he was not reckless. obsessive yes. he knew how to handle the warlords and they didnt outnumber the kmt troops so they would not have been the threat that you suggest. the warlords were bandits. their one in the same. no it would not have been another civil war. perhaps some isolated events but not full scale war. inspite of that the economy would have improved much faster under chiang because he was not as restrictive as mao. mao ruined china.
@CommunistPowers youre being evasive again. dont you think the ccp should allow free elections of all parties? the mistake was electing bush . he ruined the economy. obama inherited that mess. you dont fully understand the two party system. legitimate oppisition is the hallmark of a democracy. the commies dont understand that. they are one party rule. they tolerate nothing. the oppisition, the dpp wants an independent taiwan. the kmt doesnt. but thats democracy, legal oppisition.
@CommunistPowers you miss my point. i asked rhetorically if the ccp ever apologized for anything. not you, them. the point is that in a democracy the gov. is held accountable by the voters and a free press. thats what i mean. you can criticize the u.s. in the us or anywhere all you want and wont be arrested. can you criticize the ccp in china and not be harrassed by the ccp police? i doubt it. my point is that even the kmt aplogized for 228. its time for the ccp to acknowledge their mistakes
@CommunistPowers no, the voters here didnt make a mistake with obama. the mistake was electing bush . he ruined the economy. obama inherited that mess . you dont fully understand the two party system. legitimate oppisition is the hallmark of a democracy. the commies dont understand that. they are one party rule. they tolerate nothing. the oppisition, the dpp wants an independent taiwan. the kmt doesnt. but thats democracy, legal oppisition. otherwise the kmt alone would be like the ccp.
@CommunistPowers if you didnt say communism is good then you must thinks its bad so you should be agreeing with me. the u.s. needed to drop the a-bomb to avoid a million us. casulaties if they invaded. the us. never denied what they did in vietnam. the point is where's the ccp admission of guilt for all they did? pres johnson should have supported chiang on taiwan to retake the mainland in 1965. that was the time to strike. perhaps the us thought it would have started a larger war in china.
@CommunistPowers dont cloud the issue. thats typical communist evasiveness. the us wanted to end the war uncondtional surrender. the japs refused twice. so we bombed because it would have been worse for both of us if their was a conventional invasion. the point is, the ccp never acknowledged that they commited any crimes. the us has been criticized ever since for the a-bombing of japan. we allow criticism. try to criticise the ccp the same way now and see what happens. see my point, dude
@CommunistPowers to continue: i never said taiwan is too small. they are an economic power in asia. the dpp wants an independent taiwan. but the us said they wont support that. thats because they dont want a war with china and neither does china with the u.s. but i still dont believe the us. would just sit back and do nothing and let the commies invade taiwan. the commies have no right to taiwan. the us. has legal status in taiwan since 1952. the ccp knows that thats why they dont attack.
@CommunistPowers the roc was expelled from the un because at the time there were more new communist countries that voted with the ussr. there was less support for the roc. the us was pressured by big corps to accept ccp china so they can plant there businesses in a larger market.. the u.s. today is in favor of a one china policy to maintain good business relations, i.e. big profits. but its all politics. the dpp wants an independent taiwan. not the kmt. they want it to be the roc.
@CommunistPowers im referring to kmt generals who turned traitor. the warlords were a mistake made by chiang he replaced his best generals with warlord commanders who hated each other. china only started to turn into a success economically because of a free market system. mao would never have approved. thats why they didnt start it until after he died. china would have been better off with chiang. economic success would have occured much sooner. the ccp are too arrogant to admit they failed.
@CommunistPowers i was told by those there that most universties, do not teach there history anything about chiang kai shek. the movie clips ive seen do acknowledge him. that in itself is a big step. the ccp has always slanted history in their favor. perhaps they are changing but the changes are not real democracy. ultimately, the real change would be for the ccp to dissolve themselves which they may be doing albeit slowly, and allow free elections with the kmt and dpp on the mainland.
@CommunistPowers certainly war is not the answer now. but one china policy should not mean only a reformed ccp. they should allow all parties on taiwan to participate in free elections on the mainland. let the people their decide what they want. thats democracy. whats going on now is ccp autocracy. i also heard that their is an office on taiwan for ccp police. then there should be one on the mainland for kmt police? i think the ccp is just trying to insist that one china means them alone.
@CommunistPowers so what? some kmt generals turned traitor and joined the ccp. thats why they were treated well. the ccp is still in charge. the reforms are not democratic, but autocratic. the people never voted for them. the ccp just told them what they will have. thats not democracy. have the ccp ever apologized for anything? the kmt at least have for 228 democracy may not be perfect but its far better than communism. because it allows people to decide by voting. the ccp only dictates.
@CommunistPowers i know about the ccp. i never lived in china or taiwan. but i know people who have and do. they told me what they know. firstly the very essence of communism is pure deception lies and sabotage. they manipulated the peasentry and fooled them. lenin called the masses, useful idiots. they also sabotaged the kmt gov and army and the embassy in wash dc. because it was so corrupt with traitors, the changes today are autocratic not democratic and dont absolve them of their crimes.
@rarerayrules you didnt really acknowledge my question. if the ccp is so reformed then why dont they acknowledge chiang kai shek, the kmt, and the 100 annivers of the republic? the true china. china is not democratic. its autocratic. democratic reforms would be voters voting for the reforms they want. but the ccp just tells them the reforms they will have. dont call that democracy. let all the parties take part in free elections and let voters decide. thats true democratic reform.
@rarerayrules well then you are blaspheming Jesus who is God personified. all religions are a philosophy including christianity. but christianity has a savior. thats the difference. believing or not is your choice. i do understand, know and believe because i have faith in the bible as a true word of God. Jesus is the word made flesh. just because you dont believe doesnt make christianity wrong. theres a growing number of asian christians.talk to them.see what they tell you.
@rarerayrules by saying that you are blaspheming. but you probably dont know what that means, how can you condemn something you dont understand?. im not condemning anything. but compare all the other gods that you can. tell me which one died on a cross and rose again to provide salvation for all who believe in Him. only Jesus did that. so be careful whom and what youre insulting. if you dont know enough then ask, dont condemn. their are many asian christians. only christianity has a Savior.
@rarerayrules your religion is your choice. im just explaining to you that regardless who came first historically. Jesus is the only one who died on a cross and rose again according to scriptures to be the savior of the world no other, not budda or mohammed or anyone else claimed to be a messiah. and supported that claim with actions according to the jewish scripture. as i see it buddism is a philosophy. very positive and enlightening. only christianity has a savior. thats the difference
@rarerayrules thats similar to what doubting thomas said once. he wouldnt believe Jesus was alive until he saw him and touched him. then Jesus appeared and told him you believe because you see. but blessed are those who do not see but believe. dont be so quick to dismiss bible prophecy as false or a riddle. scholars have figured this out better than us. ive learned from them. just put your faith in Jesus and be saved. thats the best thing you can do.
i think that at the part the officer or captain or who ever is incharge is retarded becuase even at the job at hand why would you call artillery on the area your supposed to be reaching.
@rarerayrules well thats your choice. but dont be so sure what it says or not if you dont even believe it. i do. and it does mention russia and china vaguely in terms of cities and large powers scholars can explain it better than i but according to prophesy, russia and communist china are ultimately doomed. believe it or not.
@rarerayrules according to bible prophecy the russians and communist china will be defeated in the battle of arrmagedeon by the brightness of the coming of Jesus. thats the divine hope that i cling to. by faith. the chinese commies will not attack taiwan because they know the the u.s. has legal status by treaty of san fran 1952 and taiwan is a u.s. customs territory. thats why the commies wont attack taiwan. but they are to arrogant to admit that. the commies only want to control, not serve.
@rarerayrules its china communist gov. that wont teach all the facts there. they dont even talk about chiang kai shek in schools there. they are only teaching the glory that is communism. they want the one china policy to refer to the communist gov. the true one china is the republic of sun yat sen. the commies stole china by force, lies deception sabatage and deceit. they are thugs and should have been defeated and destroyed long ago. perhaps they will destroy themselves somehow.
@rarerayrules sunyat sen established the republic in 1911. thats 100 years. the commies sabataged and infiltrated the nationalists army and party and deceived the people who were to simple minded to understand any better. they found out the hard way that mao was far worse than chiang. today the coomies dont even teach there own history completely. thy dont even mention chiang kai shek. they are manipulating there people to remain brainwashed by communism and belienve anything else is wrong.
@rarerayrules every system is flaawed. thats not the issue. people leave communist countries to come to the us. why?? because its oppressive. it also doesnt work. thats why china instituted a capitalist economy.because the communist one failed. mao didnt rule 100 years. the commies wer in since 1949 thats 62 years. the republic of sun yat sen is the true china. i saw a recent documentary on china today. and they talk about perfecting communism. so the commies are still very much in charge
@rarerayrules if the commies are much more tolerant now then in the past then where are the free elections to let the people decide what they really want?/ the gov. tells them what they are going to have. if they are a peoples' republic then why dont they accomadate their people instead of restricting them? the commies dont understand democracy its about legit oppisition parties offering different emphasis on serving people not ruling them. its contrary to communism.
Do any of you in the United States of American want the same devestated results in a 2nd Armed Civil War, Federal Government Loyalists and the Tea Party Republican Rebals, as shown during 2nd Chinese Civil War 1946-49?
PhoenixGlory2012 2 weeks ago
The severe problem that resulted in an Nationalistic defeat were their low combat morale and dicipline, they often desterted to the communists which is a very strong factor in the resulting Guomindang defeat.
For an example, in July 1945 the national revolutionary army had a army consisting of 4 300 000 men and the communists had at that time 1 200 000 men, but in 1949 the nationalists "only" had 1 490 000 men and the commies 4 000 000. This was mostly due to desterting and POW's
SuicideSilenceLIFTED 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Also lack of ammo was a key factor . ROC forces could only produce 8% of their ammo and during the arms embargo they weren't allowed to gain a single round of ammunition from US. Even after the Embargo the US only gave the ROC forces 1 month worth of supplies . Another reason is during WW2 the KMT bled itslelf and lost a lot of elite men, while the KMT did have elite men after WW2 internal and external problems made it impossible for Chiang to use to his advantage.
RepublicofChina1000 6 days ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Oh really? I did not actually know this!.
Well as you say it must've been a strong factor to their defeat, the ROC forces lost their best men against the japs, they lost their air support and the most vital support from USA
SuicideSilenceLIFTED 6 days ago
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well they didn't lose all their elites to the Japs. They still had the New 1st and 12th armies and other ones however they did lose more than 50% their elites though.After WW2 these elite armies first dealt winning blows to the PLA but as time went on without ammo, your army would be exhausted right and thats what happened . US Embargo made it impossible for them to obtain arms , so they were fighting with leftover weapons from WW2.
RepublicofChina1000 5 days ago
I assume that the KMT elite soldiers were the troopers who were drilled by german generals and armed with german weapons, for example the 423 soldier of the 88th division who defended the Sihang warehouse against thousands of japanese soldiers and caused them heavy casualties but who were later obliterated in the battle of Jinzhou
When the KMT actually had ammo, their operations proceeded with succes!
When they ran out, they couldn't use the modern US arms they recieved!
SuicideSilenceLIFTED 5 days ago
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well....you could look at it that way however it was morale as well. Weapons are one thing but you need the will to ujse it. In WW2 The KMT didn't have much ammo but morale led to their victories unlike Civil War where there morale dropped so rapid. Battle of Jinzhou, you mean civil war one ? All German trained units were said to have been wiped out in WW2, from what I heard.
RepublicofChina1000 5 days ago
@RepublicofChina1000 Yes, the morale was the major problem, no will no win.
Yea alot of them were wiped out, especially in the Battle of Nanking but the remnants of the german trained troops were reorganized into other National Revolutionary Army divisions who saw small action in '48 - '49
SuicideSilenceLIFTED 5 days ago
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well even if NRA had these troops within their ranks it wouldn't have done much as their numbers were too few. Well morale wasnt't the major problem but one of the major problems.
RepublicofChina1000 5 days ago
@RepublicofChina1000 The low morale resulted in a very high amount of deserting among the soldiers, we are talking about millions of deserting soldiers.
At Chiang's final assault he only had 50 000 soldiers at his disposal.
SuicideSilenceLIFTED 5 days ago
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED What final assault , which battle? Yes millions deserted.
RepublicofChina1000 5 days ago
@RepublicofChina1000 actully , morale WAS the major problem. the defeat of the KMT rest upon 2 major factors, moral and lack of cooperation with the warlords. i place morale first due to the fact that it allowed the PLA to swell their numbers with defectors
powereater 4 days ago
@powereater Major Factors for KMT defeat: Morale loss, Spies leaking out vital military plans, commanders unable to cooperate, Ammo depletion, KMT traitors purposely walking into ambushes and loss of many Nationalist elites in WW2 replaced by raw recruits. As you can see all these were major problems , it's hard to choose which harmed the KMT most. Morale contributed about 50% of the defeats , the rest were by all the other factors listed above.
RepublicofChina1000 4 days ago
@SuicideSilenceLIFTED They didn't lose air support well ....not all of it. However doing multiple occasions their air support couldn't be of use due to climate , enemy ground resistance or inability to coordinate attacks. As for US suporting China , Truman felt scared at the Nationalists rising power and was afraid of it challenging US. so he didn't supply them with ammo...hence the Arms Embargo.
RepublicofChina1000 5 days ago
I have to say...the background music is kind of obnoxious! Also, this scene is well put together but it is to frantic and the shots change way too fast. You can hardly see what is happening before it switches to the next shot!
sergeantbigmac 1 month ago
为国捐躯
TheWeskerkai 2 months ago
I can see M1941 Johnson rifle - the one who shoots the sniper carries one.
Cizurator 2 months ago
@Cizurator Yea and the odd thing is that it was never designed to be a sniper rifle.
SuicideSilenceLIFTED 2 months ago
this is so intense!!!! I've never seen this before.thanks.
ballrub 3 months ago
can we get some weapons identified?
i can see vz 26, PPS but cant properly indentify any of the rifles
powereater 3 months ago
@powereater
i saw k98 and m1 carabine
strods1 3 months ago
You Koreans sure know how to deliver a war scene. Hope your countrymen found peace in the life after.
Housemill100 3 months ago
@Housemill100 *Chinese
Good movie, but personally, I don't like the lighting. :P
CamelBallZee 2 months ago
There were about 400 million Chinese in 1949. Over 1 billion Chinese under Mao's tenure.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 months ago
Nationalists at the time were american puppets. Which is what the Japanese accused the nationalist party of. They used this as a pretext for why the invasion of China was justified. Likewise, americans later accused the Communists of being Soviet puppets. But its pretty clear today that isnt really the case.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 months ago
Which side are the ones in the trenches?
dreamsforester 3 months ago
@dreamsforester chinese
youmakemesick1218 3 months ago
@dreamsforester Communists I believe.
MrCommunismftw 3 months ago
@dreamsforester could be wrong but i think there PLA (chinese army)
ausloverxo 3 months ago
Wow, I should have guessed any comment thread on a clip from this movie would be politically charged.
Let me just say a few things; I'm not exactly a CCP sympathiser - most of my family were heavily persecuted during the cultural revolution and my dad marched at Tiananmen Square.
HAVING SAID THAT, the "Mao killed 60 million" line is actually really disputable and from one questionable historical source. Furthermore, let's not pretend that the ROC and Taiwan was all fine and dandy.
crazedmongoose03 4 months ago 12
(cont) ...it was only in the late 80's that Taiwan began to approach even resembling a free democracy. For most decades of its existence it was a brutal police state. My grandfather was sentenced to death at the age of 18 (thankfully he survived) during the White Terror which saw gangsters and mafiosos employed by the KMT slaughter unionists and left wing activists.
It took many decades of unqualified economic aid from the US for the RoC to become decent - something China never had.
crazedmongoose03 4 months ago 18
@crazedmongoose03 Absolutely agreed. If I had to choose between Mao and Shek, I would have chosen Mao. Shek was no better than Hitler.
HufflepuffTheGreat 3 months ago
@HufflepuffTheGreat so was mao
369NICK963 1 month ago
@369NICK963 i would have chosen hitler
369NICK963 1 month ago
@crazedmongoose03 almost identical to korean political scene.
yurikomuro 2 months ago
@crazedmongoose03 its questionable yes, but i do believe the general consensus among most historians is that at least 20 million died for starvation and neglect during his great leap forward. 20 million dead in three or so years is still outrageous, especially when it was so easily avoidable.
happyman489 3 months ago
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happyman489 3 months ago
I don't care what side they are on. They are brave warriors and earn my respect.
doansters 4 months ago in playlist doansters's Favorited Videos
If it's "The Assembly I will be somewhat embarased
suspicious35 4 months ago
What movie is this?
suspicious35 4 months ago
@suspicious35 The Assembly
doansters 4 months ago in playlist doansters's Favorited Videos
Sad day... I love this movie, and I really appreciate Gu's character, but I still cheer when each of Gu's men gets killed. I will always root for the NRA (ROCA).
RogerwilcoFoxtrot 4 months ago
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RogerwilcoFoxtrot 4 months ago
Is this the chinese Civil war?
AtOthenewbkillah 5 months ago
If you are defending the communists, then you are blind to the blood of 40+ millions Chinese, and hundreds millions more of families broken up, people's life destroyed! If these means NOTHING to you, then end of discussion. Communism is EVIL. Pure and simple.
gsmiro 5 months ago
@gsmiro I'm not trying to defend them as I am actually stating the cold hard facts. People died of famine due to poor government management in over collectivization. With the combination of a harsh drought and a rapidly increasing unsustainable population, it is a tragedy that it has happened. However, you describe the notion of famine as something purposeful without any explanation other than to see people dead. You can say communism is flawed, which is absolutely true.
rex22neo 5 months ago
@rex22neo Im trying to learn more about Chinese history and politics. Do you think the PRC or the ROC should rule mainland china?
Azamspazam91 5 months ago
@Azamspazam91 Well first, you have to analyze on the potential outcome of what the ROC could do for China. This isn't about picking sides due to ideology. It would be hypocritical of me to say the authoritarian system is the only way to go while I live in a democratic society. However, I do see that the PRC system is gaining momentum in providing a higher living standard. The road isn't easy obviously. You have government corruption and lack of opportunity, which can easily be blamed on the CCP
rex22neo 5 months ago
However, all that I've just said can be said for underdeveloped democracies such as India. So corruption and lack of oppertunity is more in tuned with poor economies rather than the CCP. Human rights is a very touchy issue that people CAN blame the CCP. The issue is that 1.3 billion people is a large population. Letting people say anything that may destabilize the country into factions is probably the biggest problem that the country faces.
rex22neo 5 months ago
So I'm a firm believer of pragmatic decisions that may hurt a few, but provide overall positive results for the general welfare of the country. In all I support the PRC in being the legitimate power of the Mainland. I can also explain about the ROC. In the past it shows that it supported the ruling oligarchy landlords at the expense for most of the population. A lot of Taiwan's financial success was at the expense of the Mainland due to the relocation of the country's gold reserves.
rex22neo 5 months ago
If you want my true opinion, I probably would of preferred one China under the ROC with the CCP imbedded such as during Sun Yet-San. Moderate politics of China probably would of made a much better China today. So says my professor.
rex22neo 5 months ago
@rex22neo But the ROC hasn't been part of any decisions in mainland china for decades. Could it really make a smooth transition or would the unity of china be thrown into chaos? Would separatists from Tibet and Xinjiang take the transition as an opportunity for revolt?
Azamspazam91 5 months ago
@Azamspazam91 They would most definitely. Uighurs in Xinjiang are already plotting terror attacks and killing Han people. The Tibetans would riot as well, though the CCP might negotiate with the Dalai Lama.
Noobssuckass300 5 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 Is there a Uighur alquida wing? who plans these terror attacks and under what doctrine/context? I would agree with a unified free diverse China. When Muslims take things into their own hands things arent necessarily better! (pakistan afghanistan.)
Azamspazam91 5 months ago
@Azamspazam91 The Uighurs receive no support from other Arabs whatsoever. Even Saudi Arabia agrees with the CCP's policy regarding Uighurs. Al Qaeda doesn't have a problem with China. Terror attacks usually result from racial conflict between ethnic han and Uighurs. However, there are also radical Islamists who are also separatists.
Noobssuckass300 5 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 Ahh I see there are many blends of ethnicity and ideology. Thanks for the information, I appreciate the conversation
Azamspazam91 5 months ago
@Azamspazam91 you're welcome.
Noobssuckass300 5 months ago
@gsmiro But the fact you say it is evil shows how little you know about the causes of these revolutions and why things happen the way it did. You probably think Mao enjoyed seeing his people starve.
rex22neo 5 months ago
@rex22neo Whether Mao 'enjoyed' starving tens of millions of his own people or not, he did it: that is evil.
jochannon 4 months ago 2
@jochannon History and politics is not a black and white affair. Good and Evil is for fairy tales.
rex22neo 4 months ago
@rex22neo In real life, there are things that are black and white.
If you disagree, then tell me: where is the grey area in the Rape of Shanghai? The Holocaust? The slave trade? How would you explain to the victims of Jeffrey Dahmer that he was not evil?
jochannon 4 months ago
@jochannon Do you really think that Mao had intentions of starving his own people? I acknowledge that some of Mao's ideas were not that great, some of his ideas backfired, others succeeded. In order for a country to reform there may have to be sacrifices and not intentional ones. Overall, Mao along with Deng Xiaoping have lead China out of the dark ages. To us Chinese, he is a Hero, but to westerners, he is portrayed as evil and tyrannical, due to the western's lack of understanding of China.
TheXXiao 4 months ago
@TheXXiao There are lots of countries where peoples' idea of being led 'out of the dark ages' does NOT include killing millions and millions of people. Countries like. . . Taiwan.
Incidentally, how much is the Chinese government paying for favorable posts these days?
jochannon 4 months ago
@jochannon Taiwan was supported by USA, therefore they did not get out of the Dark Ages independently they had to rely on another country to do so. Basically 70% came from the US, and 30% came from there own people and Chiang Kai Shek. The reason why the US did this is because they wanted to use Taiwan against us by first getting them independent then supporting them further on. Honestly, I do not know where you guys come up with these Chinese government jokes, it's quite pathetic to be honest.
TheXXiao 4 months ago
@TheXXiao Not quite so pathetic as the 50 cent party, which you evidently are a member of.
Yeah, the US helped Taiwan, because that's what people in Democracies do: we help people. What we don't do is cause man-made famines that kill tens of millions of our own people.
jochannon 4 months ago
@jochannon Nice story you got going there, but I'm afraid that once again, none of that is true, but do keep on trying :)
TheXXiao 4 months ago
It's sad to "relive" the darkest history of our country, the Communist take over of China. To see the defenders of the Republic being wasted like flies, and to realize that many of them are the fathers or grandfathers of our friends and relatives....you can't watch this movie if you know how evil the Communists are....truly evil...
gsmiro 5 months ago
@gsmiro why was there a revolution? because the nationalists only cared for the rich.
AndroidGZS 5 months ago
@gsmiro we would have said the same if the nationalists took over. ur comment means nothing.
RiseOFtheREDs 5 months ago
The chinese may not have the most for budgets, or the best screenwriters. But they have one thing thats more than any other in the world...extras
nexusmaxis1 5 months ago
are on the hill
SuperForeverKpop 5 months ago
i think the people that r koreans
SuperForeverKpop 5 months ago
@SuperForeverKpop none of them were Korean they were all Chinese it was during the Chinese civil war democracy vs communism. The national revolutionary army were the men running up the hill and to answer your other question the "taiwanese" people were the national revolutionary army.
Krisisb0b 5 months ago
@SuperForeverKpop what are u trying to say? learn how to type a comment properly.
RiseOFtheREDs 5 months ago
@RiseOFtheREDS Just ignore it
SuperForeverKpop 5 months ago
which one are chinese or taiwanese
SuperForeverKpop 5 months ago
@SuperForeverKpop They are all Chinese.
Ravensteinzh 5 months ago
中国人打中国人........ 看了心痛.
amazon3b2 5 months ago
fuck People's Liberation Army ！！！！all they know is shooting at chinese people！！！！！！！
czlhaha 5 months ago
Long live the kuomintang. True chinese blood is blue.
TheEfefefefefefefefe 5 months ago
@TheEfefefefefefefefe What, you're Smurf?
JunWisewar 5 months ago
LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION!!!!
1Mafioso4 6 months ago
The Cold War is one of the deadliest conflicts in the world. Both the Communist and the Right-Wing force suffered heavy casualties for what they believed in. The Right-WIng Capitalist believed that countries are pushed to war because of Soviet Imperialism and Chinese management while the Communist believed that countries are seized and pushed to war because of U.S imperialism with Taiwanese and South Korean management.
JunierMahri246 6 months ago
....dont wanna get into religion but we only have one side of the story for all we know god could be evil and he could also be good we dont know and wont know till we're six feet down
TheMrTittle 6 months ago
That America for you, too scared the enter into a fight they might not win.
Dynaphus 6 months ago
That America for you, to scared the enter into a fight they might not win.
Dynaphus 6 months ago
why no fucking warfare movie look real..??
NeurofunkInfinitive 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
were can i watch this film
studges3 6 months ago
Thumps up for the Nationalists !
DutchPetriot 7 months ago
@DutchPetriot fuck the KMT
leongaban 6 months ago
@leongaban fuck the commies
Acekiller29 6 months ago
"SHIUN DI MEN, GEI WO SHA!!!!!!"
Theempore1234 7 months ago
Thanks i appreciate that.
myballisticbeetz123 7 months ago
amazing movie.... It seems like they lost more then 11 soldiers
by the way can anybody give me any info about the greandes thet throw at the start?
myballisticbeetz123 7 months ago in playlist awsome
@myballisticbeetz123 cheaply made versions of the german hand grenade by the Nationalist army. The PLA just looted and took them every time they won a battle
panzerelite195 7 months ago
amazing movie....
by the way can anybody give me any info about the greandes thet throw at the start?
myballisticbeetz123 7 months ago in playlist awsome
@myballisticbeetz123 they are stick grenades.They are just containers that contain explosives.They are not small as our hand grenade but stick grenades pack a huger punch.That why use them in every battle.If you back then how to throw a stick then you throw a stick grenade
MrRobocop12 6 months ago
每次看到这些恶心的禽兽解放军被国军打得落花流水时，不知道为什么看得我有一种心花怒放大快人心的感觉！！！
zzz9818798 7 months ago
@zzz9818798 我操你妈
ws1984 7 months ago
@ws1984
我妈你肯定是操不了，不过你妈在中南海被高官操着呢，而且菊花都被操烂了，呵呵呵！！！
zzz9818798 7 months ago
48~49年淮海戰役中的華野和中野解放軍也戴美式鋼盔? 不怕戰場上被自己人誤殺?
美械裝備訓練的國軍軍官衝鋒時會不戴鋼盔? 歷史事實是如此嗎? 香港導演馮先生
到底認真考證過沒?
LerhChang 7 months ago
@rarerayrules i spoke with people on taiwan and from the mainland. not all were cantonese. the communists did more than there share of brainwashing the people in china as well. the bible is the primary source of proof of Jesus. believing in Him, is a matter of faith. thats your choice.
bigblondman1 7 months ago
@bigblondman1 with all due respect the bible is just a book, the only reason we believe in Jesus and the bible is because of centuries of European practice and influence, if Europe didn't expand around the world, but it was the asian countries that expanded you'll be worshiping Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto and even Confucian. Their books or other religious objects would be the primary source of proof for their religion is the true ones instead of Christianity.
Methyll 6 months ago
@Methyll with the same respect toward you, if the bible is just a book then there is no Christ and no salvation for mankind through christianity. actually the philosophy of buddism comes remarkably close to christianity. im not familiar with the others. other religions are philosophy. only christianity has a Savior . its all a matter of choice and faith that Jesus is the Savior. Budda never said he was or is the savior. only Jesus stated that He is, then died on the cross and ressurected.
bigblondman1 6 months ago
@bigblondman1 I believe Jesus only say that he is a savior because he wants to give the people of that time hope, because it was after all not good era for many people. Now don't get me wrong personally I believe in God but I don't believe in the Christianity or any other kind of religion out there. I believe God is far more complex then we ever hope to understand, and I think as long as we do good, help and respect each other God will be satisfied, no matter if we believe or disbelieve him.
Methyll 6 months ago
@Methyll your thoughts are indeed good, well intended. but, you miss the point. Jesus was born a man to make Himself LESS complex, and save the world. He came to show that He is the way, truth, and life. its a message for all, not just for the people of that time. the bible teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit are three manifestations of the same God. Father, Son,and Holy Spirit. God in the bible calls Jesus His ONLY begotten Son. whosoever believes in HIm will have eternal life.
bigblondman1 6 months ago
@bigblondman1 Humanity is no less complex, even today we still question how we think, our motives and etc from all we know Jesus could be an alien that we misinterpreted. But anyway God created humanity and maybe other lives in the universe, as such he is our father. Now one thing I know is a father would want his children to be independent and good. And that's my believe that god does not need us to believe or worship him, as long as we live our lives to the best, he will always love us.
Methyll 6 months ago
@Methyll you cannot achieve heaven without Jesus. the bible teaches salvation by faith. if you as a believer choose to believe it. its a committment that you make as a believer. otherwise you can philosophize all you want. the bible teaches accepting Jesus as your Savior, being forgiven for your sins, and receiving eternal life through your faith in Him. God doesnt need us. He loves us. its we who need Him. thats why He sent Jesus. you cannot receive eternal life without Him. He's the answer.
bigblondman1 6 months ago
@bigblondman1 to me I believe in God but not a worshiper because I don't believe in the teachings of any of the religions. For me God is there and that's it. If God decides to punish me because I'm not committed to the Christian faith, even if I'm a compassionate person to my fellow men, than he does not deserve my respect. Oh yeah just a question if Aliens exist and they made contact with us how do you think Christianity will react to it? just want you thought on it.
Methyll 6 months ago
@Methyll well. you are entitled to believe as you wish. but thats how christianity works. thats what the bible teaches. its your choice to accept it or not. regarding judgement, thats up to God to decide how you or anyone will be judged. you dont have to be committed to the christian faith. you need to be committed to God by your faith. God is a just judge according to the bible. He deserves everyones' respect, simply because Hes God. how He judges us should never diminish that respect.
bigblondman1 6 months ago
@Methyll aliens existing? im no expert on that. i dont have any perfect answer for that. but the bible teaches any spirit that does not aknowledge Jesus as the Savior is the wrong spirit and is not of God but of the devil. i suppose that if aliens approached me the first question i would ask is do they believe in Jesus as the Savior, not just in Jesus alone. because the devil believes in Jesus but hates Him. so the key regarding aliens is to be wary. whether they be flesh or spirit.
bigblondman1 6 months ago
@bigblondman1 Well the Universe is vast and the chances of millions of different Aliens are extremely high. And it's highly unlikely that they would follow the same religion at all, some may have advanced to the point of considering religion is primitive thinking. Now if you are to think that way then there are virtually a near infinite number of different believes and view, and our will be a small insignificant one amongst them who to say that ours is wrong and the aliens are the right?
Methyll 6 months ago
@Methyll dont let your own human imagination over think. that does not supersede the infinite wisdom of God. you think and believe as you wish. i believe the bible is the inspired word of God and no other aliens out there are unknown to God or wiser. they may be unknown to us. but by putting God first and having Jesus as my Savior. i dont need to fear or overthink any alien possibilites. they can be as real as ever. but all things were created by God and are subject to Him not above Him.
bigblondman1 6 months ago
@bigblondman1 I'm just saying that anything is possible since there is just so much we still don't know, humanity could be created by Aliens for all we know and impersonate as divine beings just to guide us. In any case the main reason why I don't follow any particular religion, because said religion or ideal may not be the correct one and I'm not going to waste my life on it. For now I think I'm fine where I am now. Anyway it's good having this discussion and we didn't start insulting eachother
Methyll 6 months ago
@Methyll Agreed.
pricture 6 months ago
Meh....our artillery was a little primitive in this scene compared to theirs, but still packed a punch xD
leoofvgcats 7 months ago
Meh....our artillery was a little primitive in there....but still packed a punch xD
leoofvgcats 7 months ago
@CommunistPowers i never read anything about the u.s. aiding the communists. unless you mean that the commies infiltrated the kmt army and gov. and stole aid that was meant for the kmt. also redirected supplies to be sold on the black market. the us never trained pla troops unless they were infiltraters that later left the kmt and joined the ccp.. the us acknowledges that the prc wants one china, but doesnt agree that it should be the prc. please respond through my site.so will i.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@bigblondman1
Too little, Too Late
Freda Utley
Bloody good book, sadly not widely read. You can find a copy for free on her foundation website.
LiouTao 7 months ago
@LiouTao ill try to find it.
bigblondman1 7 months ago
@bigblondman1
fredautley(.)com
Scroll down and find "THE CHINA STORY". I read the first two chapters and had to stop reading because my blood was literally boiling. More I've read, more pissed I got. The thing is that much of the first 2 chapters I was already told of by my grandfather (who was an intelligence agent) through my father (grandfather dead). I was a little skeptical until I read those 2 chapters, which erased all doubts about I had about what I was told.
LiouTao 7 months ago
@LiouTao well i cant find it. ill try again. but i am familiar with other sources. the book by jay taylor, the generalissimo, is very insightful regarding how chiang kai shek felt and why he did what he did for better or worse. thanks again.
bigblondman1 7 months ago
@LiouTao i just found it and read it. wow!!! i never knew all those details. youre right its quite sickening to say the least. i can only make this assumption. there were communists in the state department or communist sympathizers who helped to sabatage the efforts of the nationalists. if im wrong. i dont know why else this was allowed to happen. thanks again for the info. it really opened my eyes. if you have a better answer, please tell me.
bigblondman1 7 months ago
@bigblondman1 From an objective point of view, I cannot say that there was a conspiracy.I acknowledge that there were communists who swayed the decisions of those dealing with the issue, but I stop short of saying there was a conspiracy. I can only say that the United States are at least half the reason why the mainland was lost through many of their actions. I can say what the United States has done, but I can't say why the United States did what they did.
LiouTao 7 months ago
@LiouTao i agree. i can only speculate the u.s. didnt want ww3 to escalate in china or korea, because they had other priorites in europe. that may be part of it. i cannot understand why the u.s. gov. allowed so much communist sympathizers to function as they did. i dont understand why they set up the r.o.c. to loose. the u.s. simply let stalin have his way. i can speculate many other theories. but that doesnt change the fact the r.o.c. was sold down the river. shameful and sad.
bigblondman1 7 months ago
@bigblondman1 Aye, no matter what reason the US had behind doing what they did, their actions were absolutely disgusting.
As for why the US gov allowed the reds to function as they were, back then support for communism was pretty high in the US.
LiouTao 7 months ago
@LiouTao yes, sad but true. but i still cannot comprehend why the u.s. would tolerate any of it. or why it was so popular to some people. i can only assume that the people in high places that were fellow travlers or sympatizers must have been somehow paid off in a big way. otherwise, i just dont know. now my hope for the r.o.c. is even more strong and resolute for them to somehow succeed. war is not the answer, but, they are prepared for it. or politically which may be the answer nowadays.
bigblondman1 7 months ago
......awesome fight scene but bad choice of background music....
SageXi3 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers the point is communism and nationalism dont mix. chiang was a devout buddist and a confuscionist. mao was a marxist. the two dont mix. the ccp dissolving itself means that they go away politically and operate under a new name or are absorbed by other parties. they may be slowly. but they are still communist, perhaps not in appearance but, in principle. also, marshall tried to get chou en lai to unify pla and ccp with the roc. kmt chou refused. they refused each other.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers the u.s.do not agree to one china policy, they only acknowledge it. thats politics. its called splitting words. the us.still supports the r.o.c. thats why the p.r.c. gets upset when the us. provides military aid to the r.o.c. the r.o.c. IS the true china of sun yat sen. the roc will never surrender to the prc. thats never been made clear. the r.o.c. is what i prefer. taiwan roc will never agree to the p.r.c taking over taiwan prc has no right to taiwan. one china is the roc
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers manchuria was the most crucial. chiang committed his best troops there. the battle of melinglianghu, crossing the yantzse river, seige of nanking. during the war about 40% of nats. troops went over to the ccp. the warlords were mostly shifty oppurtunists and went either way. some went into burma. you have it backwards chiang was deserted by many troops. he and his son retreated to taiwan. later, over 2million people followed and also 600,000 troops followed as well.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers the time to strike was in 1965, because of the cultural rev. to do so later was not politically prudent for the u.s.because in the 80s, 90s they were on different terms with the prc. you misunderstand. i said that the two flags will never be side by side cuz they are so opposed. the u.s. would support the roc if taiwan is attacked for any reason because the us has legal status by usmg. i think you dont uinderstand cuz you werent taught all the facts.or were taught to ignore
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers i also wish you would not fly that communist flag. i wouldnt brag about that. that flag has stood for more oppression than anything else no matter how hard you avoid that historical reality. in a new one china, it wont be any different if they still fly that flag. taiwan, r.o.c. will never accept that flag. neither will the communists accept the flag of the republic of china. they should,because thats the real republic. but they dont even teach their own people that history.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers under what gov what flag what anthemn taiwan will not become a province of a china under the ccp or prc.. the communist flag will never fly over taiwan. i dont know the answer. if somehow one new gov. is formed including the ccp and the roc i dont think that would ever work. they are diametrically opposed politically. i cant see how they can unite. the prc will have to dissolve itself like the old soviet union did. then the roc and a reformed china might work. i still wonder
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers do you mean under taiwan gov roc? taiwan will never agree to unify with the prc. and its the r.o.c army not taiwan. i never said that the roc would attack. i said taiwan would rather fight a war if the pla tries to attack taiwan for any reason. why do try try to twist my words? is that intentional or do you just not understand my points? the rep. of sun yat sen still is the true china. the ccp are thugs who took over by lies, deception and sabatoge. the roc. is also china.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers that could be true. but its a shame. because thats not the america i was raised to believe in. that they would turn there back on a loyal ally and let it be overrun in the name of economic trade and profits. this is a different world. but its not a better one. and like it or not the us. has legal status over taiwan. so for that reason regardless of the circumstances i think the us. would get involved militarily even if taiwan declares independence. the us. already aids the roc.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers s.korea was recognized by th u.n. as the republic of korea. and the u.s. and other nations came to their aid. the us. gave the kmt $4billion aid they gave the kmt equip, advisors and trained them. but traitors and ccp propaganda helped to corrupt the kmt gov. money was stolen, equip sold on the black market and ccp infiltrated kmt gov and army. why is the ccp afraid of what their people think. maybe they want to be like the us. true china is rep. of sun yat sen 100 years.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers thats my point. i never said that you said that. i dont believe the u.s. would sit back and do nothing even if taiwan declares independence. the u.s should still come to taiwans' aid. i like to believe they still would.even under those circumstances.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers which china roc or prc? taiwan will never submit to prc control. they will rather fight a war. the u.s would step in because of their legal status. the prc will have to dissolve itself or make some clever adjustment to bring the kmt and a reformed ccp under one gov and flag. which on?. the roc will not give up its flag and will not be absorbed by the prc and fade away. so unification under who is still a big question. the republic of sun yat sen is the true china 100 years
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers no, taiwan belonged to japan from 1895 till 45 when kmt took over. but japan never surrendered sovreignty to the roc or prc. accor.to treaty of san fran 1952, japs surren. claims of taiwan to the us. it became a us.customs territory. the us doesnt govern by civil but has legal status by usmg adm. one china shouldnt mean the ccp taiwan will never surrender to ccp control. taiwan must be roc controlled china wont be unified if the ccp tries to rule taiwan that would start a war.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers youre evasive again. that has nothing to do with my previous comment. during the civil war that was true. the reason for that was communist propaganda that expanded that notion out of proportion. but the simple minded people then believed it and were fooled. but what does that have to do with today, free elections, and the ccp taking responsibility for their crimes of the past. also the ccp having an officeon taiwan. dont go off on another tangent, answer what i asked.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers the pla had no business invading korea.the us was not threatening china. they were after the n. koreans. also your talking three different subjects and confusing the issue. the ccp has no business invading taiwan if they declare independence. they just arrogantly believe taiwan is part of china. its not. its a us. customs territory. thats why i dont believe the us. would do nothing if taiwan gets invaded even if they declare independence. ccp has no legal claim to taiwan ever
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers the us.never lost ground in vietnam. they left voluntarily. at the start,n.korea overran s. korea and the us held the pusan perimeter. mac arthur invaded inchon and caught the n. koreans by surprise and sent then to manchuria. the us.didnt want to escalate the war. mac arthur wouldnt fall back china invaded korea. i dont think the u.s. would sit back and let pla invade taiwan even if they declare independence. the us should have supported chiang instead of vietnam, not both
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers yes, but not all at once he was not reckless. obsessive yes. he knew how to handle the warlords and they didnt outnumber the kmt troops so they would not have been the threat that you suggest. the warlords were bandits. their one in the same. no it would not have been another civil war. perhaps some isolated events but not full scale war. inspite of that the economy would have improved much faster under chiang because he was not as restrictive as mao. mao ruined china.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers youre being evasive again. dont you think the ccp should allow free elections of all parties? the mistake was electing bush . he ruined the economy. obama inherited that mess. you dont fully understand the two party system. legitimate oppisition is the hallmark of a democracy. the commies dont understand that. they are one party rule. they tolerate nothing. the oppisition, the dpp wants an independent taiwan. the kmt doesnt. but thats democracy, legal oppisition.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers you miss my point. i asked rhetorically if the ccp ever apologized for anything. not you, them. the point is that in a democracy the gov. is held accountable by the voters and a free press. thats what i mean. you can criticize the u.s. in the us or anywhere all you want and wont be arrested. can you criticize the ccp in china and not be harrassed by the ccp police? i doubt it. my point is that even the kmt aplogized for 228. its time for the ccp to acknowledge their mistakes
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers no, the voters here didnt make a mistake with obama. the mistake was electing bush . he ruined the economy. obama inherited that mess . you dont fully understand the two party system. legitimate oppisition is the hallmark of a democracy. the commies dont understand that. they are one party rule. they tolerate nothing. the oppisition, the dpp wants an independent taiwan. the kmt doesnt. but thats democracy, legal oppisition. otherwise the kmt alone would be like the ccp.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers if you didnt say communism is good then you must thinks its bad so you should be agreeing with me. the u.s. needed to drop the a-bomb to avoid a million us. casulaties if they invaded. the us. never denied what they did in vietnam. the point is where's the ccp admission of guilt for all they did? pres johnson should have supported chiang on taiwan to retake the mainland in 1965. that was the time to strike. perhaps the us thought it would have started a larger war in china.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers dont cloud the issue. thats typical communist evasiveness. the us wanted to end the war uncondtional surrender. the japs refused twice. so we bombed because it would have been worse for both of us if their was a conventional invasion. the point is, the ccp never acknowledged that they commited any crimes. the us has been criticized ever since for the a-bombing of japan. we allow criticism. try to criticise the ccp the same way now and see what happens. see my point, dude
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers to continue: i never said taiwan is too small. they are an economic power in asia. the dpp wants an independent taiwan. but the us said they wont support that. thats because they dont want a war with china and neither does china with the u.s. but i still dont believe the us. would just sit back and do nothing and let the commies invade taiwan. the commies have no right to taiwan. the us. has legal status in taiwan since 1952. the ccp knows that thats why they dont attack.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers the roc was expelled from the un because at the time there were more new communist countries that voted with the ussr. there was less support for the roc. the us was pressured by big corps to accept ccp china so they can plant there businesses in a larger market.. the u.s. today is in favor of a one china policy to maintain good business relations, i.e. big profits. but its all politics. the dpp wants an independent taiwan. not the kmt. they want it to be the roc.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers im referring to kmt generals who turned traitor. the warlords were a mistake made by chiang he replaced his best generals with warlord commanders who hated each other. china only started to turn into a success economically because of a free market system. mao would never have approved. thats why they didnt start it until after he died. china would have been better off with chiang. economic success would have occured much sooner. the ccp are too arrogant to admit they failed.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers i was told by those there that most universties, do not teach there history anything about chiang kai shek. the movie clips ive seen do acknowledge him. that in itself is a big step. the ccp has always slanted history in their favor. perhaps they are changing but the changes are not real democracy. ultimately, the real change would be for the ccp to dissolve themselves which they may be doing albeit slowly, and allow free elections with the kmt and dpp on the mainland.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers certainly war is not the answer now. but one china policy should not mean only a reformed ccp. they should allow all parties on taiwan to participate in free elections on the mainland. let the people their decide what they want. thats democracy. whats going on now is ccp autocracy. i also heard that their is an office on taiwan for ccp police. then there should be one on the mainland for kmt police? i think the ccp is just trying to insist that one china means them alone.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers so what? some kmt generals turned traitor and joined the ccp. thats why they were treated well. the ccp is still in charge. the reforms are not democratic, but autocratic. the people never voted for them. the ccp just told them what they will have. thats not democracy. have the ccp ever apologized for anything? the kmt at least have for 228 democracy may not be perfect but its far better than communism. because it allows people to decide by voting. the ccp only dictates.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@CommunistPowers i know about the ccp. i never lived in china or taiwan. but i know people who have and do. they told me what they know. firstly the very essence of communism is pure deception lies and sabotage. they manipulated the peasentry and fooled them. lenin called the masses, useful idiots. they also sabotaged the kmt gov and army and the embassy in wash dc. because it was so corrupt with traitors, the changes today are autocratic not democratic and dont absolve them of their crimes.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules you didnt really acknowledge my question. if the ccp is so reformed then why dont they acknowledge chiang kai shek, the kmt, and the 100 annivers of the republic? the true china. china is not democratic. its autocratic. democratic reforms would be voters voting for the reforms they want. but the ccp just tells them the reforms they will have. dont call that democracy. let all the parties take part in free elections and let voters decide. thats true democratic reform.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules well then you are blaspheming Jesus who is God personified. all religions are a philosophy including christianity. but christianity has a savior. thats the difference. believing or not is your choice. i do understand, know and believe because i have faith in the bible as a true word of God. Jesus is the word made flesh. just because you dont believe doesnt make christianity wrong. theres a growing number of asian christians.talk to them.see what they tell you.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules by saying that you are blaspheming. but you probably dont know what that means, how can you condemn something you dont understand?. im not condemning anything. but compare all the other gods that you can. tell me which one died on a cross and rose again to provide salvation for all who believe in Him. only Jesus did that. so be careful whom and what youre insulting. if you dont know enough then ask, dont condemn. their are many asian christians. only christianity has a Savior.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules your religion is your choice. im just explaining to you that regardless who came first historically. Jesus is the only one who died on a cross and rose again according to scriptures to be the savior of the world no other, not budda or mohammed or anyone else claimed to be a messiah. and supported that claim with actions according to the jewish scripture. as i see it buddism is a philosophy. very positive and enlightening. only christianity has a savior. thats the difference
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules thats similar to what doubting thomas said once. he wouldnt believe Jesus was alive until he saw him and touched him. then Jesus appeared and told him you believe because you see. but blessed are those who do not see but believe. dont be so quick to dismiss bible prophecy as false or a riddle. scholars have figured this out better than us. ive learned from them. just put your faith in Jesus and be saved. thats the best thing you can do.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
i think that at the part the officer or captain or who ever is incharge is retarded becuase even at the job at hand why would you call artillery on the area your supposed to be reaching.
fucking retarded captain
myballisticbeetz123 8 months ago
@rarerayrules well thats your choice. but dont be so sure what it says or not if you dont even believe it. i do. and it does mention russia and china vaguely in terms of cities and large powers scholars can explain it better than i but according to prophesy, russia and communist china are ultimately doomed. believe it or not.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules according to bible prophecy the russians and communist china will be defeated in the battle of arrmagedeon by the brightness of the coming of Jesus. thats the divine hope that i cling to. by faith. the chinese commies will not attack taiwan because they know the the u.s. has legal status by treaty of san fran 1952 and taiwan is a u.s. customs territory. thats why the commies wont attack taiwan. but they are to arrogant to admit that. the commies only want to control, not serve.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules its china communist gov. that wont teach all the facts there. they dont even talk about chiang kai shek in schools there. they are only teaching the glory that is communism. they want the one china policy to refer to the communist gov. the true one china is the republic of sun yat sen. the commies stole china by force, lies deception sabatage and deceit. they are thugs and should have been defeated and destroyed long ago. perhaps they will destroy themselves somehow.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules sunyat sen established the republic in 1911. thats 100 years. the commies sabataged and infiltrated the nationalists army and party and deceived the people who were to simple minded to understand any better. they found out the hard way that mao was far worse than chiang. today the coomies dont even teach there own history completely. thy dont even mention chiang kai shek. they are manipulating there people to remain brainwashed by communism and belienve anything else is wrong.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules every system is flaawed. thats not the issue. people leave communist countries to come to the us. why?? because its oppressive. it also doesnt work. thats why china instituted a capitalist economy.because the communist one failed. mao didnt rule 100 years. the commies wer in since 1949 thats 62 years. the republic of sun yat sen is the true china. i saw a recent documentary on china today. and they talk about perfecting communism. so the commies are still very much in charge
bigblondman1 8 months ago
@rarerayrules if the commies are much more tolerant now then in the past then where are the free elections to let the people decide what they really want?/ the gov. tells them what they are going to have. if they are a peoples' republic then why dont they accomadate their people instead of restricting them? the commies dont understand democracy its about legit oppisition parties offering different emphasis on serving people not ruling them. its contrary to communism.
bigblondman1 8 months ago
sweet video
J3w13acca 8 months ago