I think this series overly romanticized the Ming dynasty. I am ethnic Han and usually have high regard for Han-ruled dynasties like Han, Sui, Tang, Song and Ming dynasties. However, I think we Chinese should also put things into perspective and not blindly worship things. By any historical accounts and academic references, the Ming was arguably one of the most ruthless, despotic, and paranoid periods in Chinese history. Just look like how Chongzhen dealt with his best generals in this show...
funny how the kimchee rats and southern barbarians from south of yangzi river here keep barking about others' history and origins that they don't even have any ideas about?
Glory to the Empire of Ming, I am very proud of being a Han, the desendants of Han, Tang, Song and Ming. Throughout my life, I have never recognised Qing and Yuan.
In Ming dynasty, China was in the middle of being shaped from a feudal state into a modernised one. But in the wake of war with Japan in Korea, China's assets reserve were nearly exhausted, leaving the empire vulnerable to handling famine, plauge and rebellion arising herefrom. Manchurian took this chance to invade and conquer China
@MrGabrielyu what a silly thing to say.. does that mean you are going to give back Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria ?.. where would the Han people be without people like Chin Shi Hwang Di and Kublai Kahn... nothing but a bunch of rice and barley farmers along the yellow river. China is what it is today because it was shaped by outside influences... the Han culture mixed and integrated with all the people it came into contact with....
@2Shye kiblai khan was nothing more than a human butcher,go look at history and see how many ethnic groups,cultures and countries were destroyed by him,just in northern china alone,the entire Jurchern and Dangxiang(xixia) peoples were gone,the mongles are now having their karma with 3/5 of the population living in inner mongolia and losing their original cultures while the other 2/5 in outer mongolia and living in poverty
@GodsCommand Kublai was the butcher ?.. lol... and so Qin Shi Hwang and Chairman Mao weren't?? lol
The Jurchens weren't wiped out by the yuan dynasty they renamed themselves to Manchu.. who eventually conquered the whole of china. so you think Han chinese are eternally peaceful and the rest of the world is barbaric? thats a very naive way to see the world. I think more Chinese people died under chairman Mao and Chin Shi Hwang Di than died at the hands of foreign invaders.
@2Shye Jurchens were completely wiped off after Jin Dynasty collapsed with a minority changed their identity to Han chinese and fled to southeastern China,Manchu were mostly the descendants of Jurchens who didn't follow Jin Dynasty and entered the central plains,but not the descendants of those Jurchens who perished in the central plains/china proper.
@GodsCommand you are only basing that on an assumption, whenever one empire was destroyed by another it was more common for the noble families to be executed or exiled the vast majority of people were either assimilated or became refugees. The Jin Dynasty might have been destroyed but it wasn't by Kublai kahn (it fell to a combined strike by the mongols and Song chinese even before Ghengis came to power) and the people lived on to found a few more dynasties..
@2Shye I was telling the truth,majority of the Jurchens didn't flee to Manchuria,instead they were either assimilated in the central plains or fled to to southeastern China,nowadays there are han chinese populations with surnames like nian in fujian and taiwan which are believe to be originated from Jurchens
@GodsCommand infact they still exist today.. anyone who speaks Xibe is either decended from Jurchen/Jin or Khitan/Liao (which was a multi ethnic kingdom).. so your original assertion is still completely false.
@2Shye you have no ideas about these people.Xibes are descendants of xianbeis NOT Jurchens or Khitans,in fact Jurchen and Khitans were quite different from each other in terms of origins,cultures and so on,don't mix everything up
@GodsCommand I dont agree with that premise at all.. ALL of the nomadic steppe people were constantly intermixing.
the Khitan Liao dynasty was a multi ethnic kingdom. more so than PRC. and the Jurchen Jin Dynasty was equally multi ethnic.. as was Kogoryeo, and Balhae... all of those dynasties had large populations of Jurchens all of those tribes spoke similar languages which were linguistically similar to modern Xibe.
@2Shye similar doesn't means the same,yes,both Liao and Jin empires were multi ethnic but their major ruling ethnic groups were rather homogeneous.Xibes adopted a form of Manchu language that is why linguistically they are closer to Jurchens but racially speaking they are not Jurchens,but are closest to Xianbeis.
@GodsCommand Inner mongolia forcibly settled by Han chinese and was kept in poverty as part of old PRC policy to stop the people from becoming too powerful so that they didn't rise up against the
government. The USSR did the same for Mongolia Proper which is a vast open steppe with no trees and no ocean so it is not the kind of landscape which supports large populations of people.. that is why the Mongols always went south into china and west into towards Europe.
@2Shye where the fuck did you get the info that inner mongolia was kept poor? in fact inner mongolia is an average province in china in terms of economic strength and I have many inner mongolian friends they have no dfference from han chinese from other nearby provinces like hebei,if inner mongolia is so poor then how come I see so many mongolian students from china who can afford overseas education in Japan,Singapore,Russia and even Europe??
@theuglykwan I agree.. ethnicity alone does not define who is good to rule or not. The Qing only came to china because the Ming at the time couldn't stop fighting with themselves.
Hard to do when you got racists such as joeangtong and IwantaYBaccount vomiting shit against Han and Manchus. The song itself is good, but some people just don't get over stuff that happened 400 years ago.
"especially for manchurian. they originially lived in korea. they were been masscared by koreans,later begging Ming emperor to help them. 内附.they were been relocated in nowdays'Vladivostok and north korea coast region. so be clear and enough with those stupid lies by manchurian remains."
Not only is that wrong(Manchus only officially existed by Nurhaci), but totally irrelevant to the point. By your logic, then we would all be of some African nationality b/c that's where we all originated.
@Anthrophobia2 Hey kimchee,I feel sorry for u that your marmar had given u a terribly ugly kimchi face,but please don't hate yourself,life is short,since you still have 20 years left why don't you come out from cage and enjoy your life,nobody is goin to laugh at you....just try....
"and with those territories you mentioned. are you been stupid?. they are the invader. sept tibet, I think Han are more lawful as the land owners of those places you metioned. We kicked their orignial owner, Hun and turk to Europe. .ps: world is fair, they can invade, we can visit their home too."
You don't know much about Chinese history. The Huns that were "kicked" to Europe happened more almost 2000 years before the Qing dynasty. It's of no relevance to the topic at hand.
"japanese only regonize manchu called itself as Qing or China but definately not 中国. in surrender treaty."
Japanese saw Manchus as nonChinese because they wanted to create the puppet state of Manchukuo in Manchuria. On the other hand, ALL treatises that the Qing signed with foreign powers used the word "China" to represent themselves by Kangxi's reign. Look up the treaty of Nerchinsk.
"Manchu;s so called first chinese flags and anthem.that exactly shows that Mandarin is not Han."
I never said the Manchus were Han, I said they were Chinese. I already stated this. Get that through your head. Han is an ethnic term, only Han supremacists think it's a national term.
especially for manchurian. they originially lived in korea. they were been masscared by koreans,later begging Ming emperor to help them. 内附.they were been relocated in nowdays'Vladivostok and north korea coast region. so be clear and enough with those stupid lies by manchurian remains.
Hope they can be grateful to Han nation. and Shut the fuck up!
"Hope they can be grateful to Han nation. and Shut the fuck up!"
The Qing emperors were grateful, at least according to their edicts. But that's more than I could say to Han chauvinists who don't realize that modern China's territorial sovereignty comes, by international law, completely from the Qing dynasty. Sun Yat Sen, the founder of modern China, also realized this and accepted China as a multiethnic nation.
joeangtong !!! Japanese massacred so many Chinese during WWII, so did Chinese accept Japanese empire as Chinese empire? joeangtong talk is cheap ! your Japs only know killing ! no wonder why Japanese been bured into hell by American nuclear bomb, it was the real punishment from heaven, muhaha Now Japan ruled by a group of people called American, poor joeangtong, USA has army bases in Japan, don't forget that!Japanese already accept American as Japanese empire lol poor........
anthrophobia2,you may not like the idea now but,after Jakor massacred millions of han chinese. cos of their resentment aganist Jakor dominance.. Thing will return to normal just like initial period manchu conquest of china. Han chinese will accept Jakor rule as chinese empire. Just like they accepted Qing empire as chinese empire.
Do you mean the Jurchens? There were no such thing as "Jakors". But I suppose it must give your racist mind a kick how Han Chinese were "massacred", as you put it. You must sound so proud of these Jakors. I don't see how you could ever claim that you aren't racist, when you obviously hate certain races enough to actually WANT them to be massacred/dominated. Your parents must be so proud of you. Or are they just as racist as you? That would explain your mental ineptitude.
Almost as if dancing to a stately rhythm of drums of time, Chinese history has much of it been repetitive. From song (han) to Yuan (Mongolian), Ming (Han) to Qing (Manchu),repubic(han) to ????????. What is your guest. My guest is in about 200 years from now, China will be ruled by a group of people called. JAKOR. (Japanese and Korean). Chinese women no longer wear "Chi Pao" they will don Chima or Kimono cos Jakor people will have the mandate from heaven tp rul;e over china.
Admitting your wet dream of a doomed China doesn't make you look any better. Next time, before you humiliate yourself even further, think about what you're saying. Contrary to what you may believe, people generally don't like racist haters who have mental escapades on the downfall of some nation or whatnot. Those people aren't looked up to, they're rather seen as pathetic. So next time keep those thoughts in the closet, if you will.
Why do you hate Han Chinese so much? Did they pick on you at school? Get over it. Please don't use history to justify your need for racist mental masturbation.
Here is a quote from the YongZheng emperor of the Qing dynasty: "今逆贼等于天下一统，华夷一家之时，而妄判中外，谬生忿戾，岂非逆天悖理，无父无君，蜂蚁不若之异类乎？" So even according to the "master race" as you term them, the Manchus still consider you "lower than bees and ants" due to your need to divide "what's Chinese and what's foreign". Face it, the Manchus simply aren't as racist as you are.
Not really. Japanese may be a "tributary nation" in the eyes of Chinese dynasties, but Japanese throughout history does not, and tend to do their own thing when the Chinese puts their attentions elsewhere.
I see that you are just as racist as FuckHanDog, no?
Being slave for for than 200 years and with the collapse of the manchu empire in china. Han chinese are having problems carry out their master role. Old slave culture,mentality and mannerism still ran in their blood. It takes at least another 100 years for the han chinese to carry out the role of master race effectively.In this respect, han chinese have a lot to learn from the west,america and japan.
The occupation and conquer of Han China by the great manchu people with mere 25,000 men, with many korean and mongolian in their rank attest to the following theis :
1) Size doesn't matter
2) Han chinese are prone to renegade.
3) Brute force can make han chinese "Kowtow" to their new master.
4) Han Chinese readily relinquish their identity in favour of their master identity.
You forget that a significant portion of Manchu banner armies were composed of the Han Chinese whom you hate so much. In fact, by the reign of Huang Taiji and his invasion of Korea, Han Chinese were already starting to outnumber Manchus in Banner Armies. So no, you can't logically use Qing conquest to justify some type of claim on racial superiority.
So far you ranted about Manchu racial superiority, yet still felt no shame when calling others racist. You purposely tried to counter my posts without directly replying to me, hoping that I would somehow never read your post. Yet you call others cowardly. You spread hate, yet you call others a terroist. You still don't get the fact that I don't care who conquered who, and you managed to mix the Imjin War with the 1950s Korean War, yet you still called others stupid. Laughable.
At last,, you have some sense left in your sicked head. At last ,you accept the bitter historical fact that the great manchu people defeated the han people. In the old day, the winner take all,the great manchu people ( the master race) practice racial biased policy base on manchu superiority.The great manchu people enjoyed special privileges and preference, and was given top priority.
What part of "I don't care" do you not understand? This is the third time I said it, but talking to you is like talking to a brick. Of course, I don't expect any more from a racist such as yourself. I don't see how you could mentally masterbate over these things and still call others racist. This only proves my original point: trolls like you should be prevented from reproducing. Otherwise humans will waste too much time hating each other rather than solving real problems.
The great manchu people conquered and occupation of china, and subsequent manchu supremacy in china was written in the history books throuhout the world. Yet you repeatedly labelling people who believe in the course of history from 1644 to 1911 in china as racist. You are not only a psycho, but a terrorist with a low I Q. If you don't like it, you can go back in time to stop the great manchu people from conquering china with your dragon sword.
Nice strawman argument. I labeled you as a racist because you said Manchus were superior to the Han, not because they conquered a Han dominated dynasty. Obviously the rusted cogs of your mind can't grasp this simple concept. I don't care who conquered who, because I study history for intellectual reasons. You study history to prove that some people are superior to others. Don't try to twist my words next time. You can fool others but that doesn't make you any less pathetic.
It.s seem that you didn,t heel my advice. The only place fit for you is Guatamala jail.
You have the tendency to blame others for your illness and inability to act, refusing to accept the reality and live in your imaginary world . You are a walking time bomb to threat to public security and peace. You are a 911 terrorist in the making.
3. Stupid: You repeatedly believed the 16th century Imjin war was the 20th century Korean War. You also can’t seem to make a coherent argument beyond the usual “yes-uh, not-uh” namecalling.
4. Shameless: Despite all your shortcomings, you flaunt your hate, cowardice, and stupidity, but only behind the safety of the internet of course.
Lets see the qualities of someone who's a threat to public security and peace. They are
1. Hateful: You have shown tendencies of racism, calling Han people "slaves" out of anger. I only hate people that are like you.
2. Cowardly: I doubt you would dare openly show your racism up to someone's face. You also waited 3 weeks before replying to me, and then didn't directly reply to my post, hoping I would miss your reply and thus not respond. More cowardly behavior on your part.
This ia an medical emergency. you need medication immediately. you are out of your mind. you are hysterical. i suggest you go to the nearest hospital immediately.
I see how it is. joeangtong can't think of an intelligent reply(as always) and so he goes on to say something completely inane, with no previous relevance to the topic at hand. Classic. At least, your last reply isn't filled with racist bile but was only directed against me. It's also funny how you criticize my mind. From your post, you are the one who is racist and cowardly. You are also dumb enough to mix the Imjin War with the Korean War. Guess that makes you a hypocrite.
Which is why I stick to my first post. People like you should be prevented from breeding. That way your genes which affects tolerance and intelligence won't taint the next generation, furthering the cycle of hatred. These genes are much more important than "Manchu DNA" or "Han DNA" or whatever racial characteristics that your racist mind puts so much emphasis on. At the very least, you should do your species a favor and get a vasectomy. You shame me, you shame yourself.
Descendants of defeated manchu war slave, cannot accepted the fact that great manchu people attacked and conquered china, and colonised china for more than 250 years.Have illusion that Imjin war happened in the 16 century. you have mental problems, you are a psychosis. and you certainly need psychotherapy. who knows, you may have manchu DNA.
Lol, despite still believing that the 16th century Imjin War is the 20th century Korean War, you are still cowardly as always. Why don't you display your racism in the open where everyone knows who you are, instead of venting your hate on the obscurity of the internet. Did little Han kids pick on you at school? Get over it. As for the Imjin War, it's called googling. Go look it up. But that may be too much for your racist brain to handle. I can hear your rusty cogs trying to turn.
Also, unlike you, I don't mind having Manchu DNA, Han DNA, or whatever DNA. That is, unlike you, I don't judge by race but by character. You have proven to lack character because you are ignorant, racist, and worst of all a coward. By hiding your hate behind the internet, you know racism is something to be ashamed of. Yet you continue venting hate under the protection of an internet profile. Pathetic. Even Hitler had the balls to show his racism. Even compared to him, you are slime.
@Deuszxable ,Imjin war took place during korean war in 1952 . are you crazy? Manchu people could conquered China is cos they are better than han chinese. They are stronger, competent fighter, and have more brain power than han chinese.
So you're one of those people who don't dare be racist in real life, so you spew your filth on youtube. This means you're not just a racist, but a coward. People like you should be prevented from breeding so your mix of hatred and cowardice won't dilute the human gene pool.
Also, Imjin war was certainly NOT the 20th century Korean War, but happened in the late 16th century when Hideyoshi fancied that he could conquer all the way to India(he was stopped at Korea). On top of being a racist and a coward, it turns out you are also stupid. Don't be embarrassed, haters usually have that attribute.
@bensontam , it is impossible for china to rule japan. Even though japan is small,but the solidarity of japanese people is very strong,japanese people wouldn't betray it's people and country. On the contrary, chinese people are well known for their betrrayal especially to their people and country. if not, how come, manchu people can easily defeated and demolished han chinese, and declared themselves as the emperors of han chinese.
@joeangtong "japanese wouldn't betray its people and its country" <- this statement is not applicable to the new generation Japanese.
Manchu choose the period when China is weak. Well, Japanese choose the right period to invade China too (in fact, 2 times. Once in 15th century, and the other time in 20th centry).
Japs failed twice. I guess Japs is even worse than Manchu.
@joeangtong SO what are you? American? You must also know that Americans are pedophiles because some american men have sex with children (their own). If not american, what are you?
@joeangtong also, i thought you know everyone japanese persons. I know a few and one of them hates his country. So whats that about not betrayal again? yea you are a fucking dumbass
@joeangtong Todays Chinese are probably much more proud of their country than todays Japanese are proud of their own. The reason why the Manchus could conquer China was because China was worn out financially and millitarily because of the Imjin war (Seven Year war) in Korea against Japan, the Manchus then grabbed their chance to invade and conquer China.
@joeangtong The only reason why the Japanese wouldn't have betrayed Japan (maybe) was because of the superstitious belief that the emperor was god's wingman on earth.
@joeangtong That's the funniest joke I have ever heard in my entire life. I hope China will rule Japan someday in the future. All Japanese will live happily forever under Communist China protection.
Ok i was not trying too I apologize if i did and yes ming and the ching dynasty were very corrupt to some degree and every empire had there good Emperror and or Queen for that matter
I am a "Han ren", fyi. If you haven't noticed, I've just been through an argument with a racist (joeantong) who hates "Han ren". So don't be too quick to talk about how your ancestors kicked my ancestors ass, when in fact we have the same ancestor. It's stupid.
@Anthrophobia2 you are mandarin. you are not Han. mandarin，蛮鞑人 was the name which my ancestors used to call you.Even dutch and portugees 400years ago knew that. Only stupid communists put mandarin as Han. Ps: don't you think you can write some kanji, and read some old classic Han textbooks, then you can put yourself as Han. No!
You are a complete idiot, iwantaYBaccount. Assuming you meant mandarin as Manchu, I am Han because my ancestors were Han, not Manchus. I said Manchus helped expand Chinese territory, in response to a Han chauvinist who said they were nothing more than barbarians. That doesn't mean I'm a Manchu. And what does it matter even if I am a Manchu? You think that makes me lesser than you, who attacked me for being "anti-Han" even though I was defending it? Shamefully idiotic.
The fact that I don't equate "Chinese" with Han doesn't make me a "fake Han". Last time I checked, "Han" was an ethnic term, not a national one. On the other hand, the first dynasty that had a "Chinese flag", a "Chinese national anthem", or signed a treaty using the words "China", was the Qing dynasty. If you think they're not Chinese simply because of their ethnicity or culture, then that's ethnic discrimination. So perhaps you are the one who should "read more books".
Also, if you think the Qing wasn't Chinese, then perhaps the claim of having Tibet, Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, and Xinjiang should be dropped. Because the Qing dynasty's boundaries was where the current Chinese nation's territorial sovereignty came from. By your logic, China should be as small as the Song dynasty.
Manchu;s so called first chinese flags and anthem.that exactly shows that Mandarin is not Han. japanese only regonize manchu called itself as Qing or China but definately not 中国. in surrender treaty. and with those territories you mentioned. are you been stupid?. they are the invaders. Except tibet, I think Han are more lawful as the land owners of those places you metioned. We kicked their orignial owner, Hun and turk to Europe. .ps: world is fair, they can invade, we can visit their home too.
@Anthrophobia2 again. mandarin is mandarin. Han is Han.That is all I want to say. I ethnic discrimination? LOL. when your ppl stealing our real Han's culture and ethnic identity, replacing it with distorted lies. U said you been discriminated? seems that every single time u ppl used excuses like racism and unity to ask our Han ppl to compromise, to do self sacrifice. so you parasites can keep on sucking blood from Han nation.
sorry sir but from old history everyone knows that Ming dynasty was really corrupt , at least Ching was the the new hope they gave people, people only wan peace and food, pls think abt it
@CeliozEden actually the ming dynasty history we know today is made by Qing government. Qing government has a long history of controlling ppl's mind blackmailing Ming. People say Ming is suppose to be really corrupted, but then from European visitors records it shows a quite quite different fact. That is Ming is actually stronger than Qing, and the so called Kang Qian Heyday never existed
any history writen by a person is not reliable . What my point is , if ming doesnt have problem , explain to me why and how they came out with names like " 觀音土" ?
my main point is its not abt politics or race now, the people are hungry, someone have to end it , its people who are suffering .
i think u didnt get the point, a dynasty can last doesnt mean its a good politics , sometimes they can surppress by force , plus, any dynasty starts with a good reason but imagine how much dynasty had mislead and fallen ? u cant compare the last emperor with the first emperor isnt it?
and yuan chong huan is not a warlord and he was being send to war, this is a fact so is " 觀音土" u havent answer me the question yet btw
@bensontam And the so-called Qing history and almost all the comments on Qing Dynasty were written by the Han Chinese after 1911. You can imagine how "accurate" can it be. By the way, I have to correct you that most of the writters of "Ming history" were Han Chinese serving for Qing dynasty, some of them were even ex-official in Ming dynasty. By comparison, how many Manchurian ever got a chance to speak for Qing dynasty?
@FuckHanDog Using the same logic, the history of Ming was written (or I should say) distorted during Qing Dynasty. Despite the fact that there were many Han Chinese official working in Qing Dynasty, the emperor is Manchu and you won't write anything that stand against the emperor. You can see how "accurate" the history can be.
@darkhabsburg And these "barbarians" governed Han Chinese, who has more than 10 times as much population as Manchu, for almost 300 years. Come on, what the hell Han Chinese did during the 300 years? If Manchu was "barbarians" like you said, why Han Chinese (including your grandparents and grandgrandparents) didn't stand up and overthrew it?? Ironically, the population of Han Chinese grew almost 4 times during Manchu's governing.
a lot of people don't realised,it is the great manchu people who bring glory to han chinese. the great manchu people built the finest yuan min yuan and chende resort.. it is also the great manchu people who attacked and conquered tibet , xinxiang, and taiwan which broadened the chinese border. the manchu empire in china is the greaest empire in china for five thousands years.
Although the Manchus did expand china's borders, it didn't do much good either. When the Qing Dynasty began to decline, EVERY neighboring country went to war with China. I actually admire earlier dynasties who just kept what they had. At least the people were spared from warfare.
Also, jojo8113, is correct, Ming collapsed because it as a dynasty was like one of those people who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, collapsing economy, a "Jin" (Later changed to Qing under Huang Tai Ji I think) Dynasty rapidly growing in strength to the north. Along with that were many internal issues, traitorous generals and civil servants. Also, Wu San Gui paired with Li Zi Cheng was more of a 1-in-a-million chance, its like winning the lottery for Qing, need I say more?
Ummmm no, actually, most nomadic peoples all descend from the venerable Aryan peoples, which settled all over the world. Secondly, you could not possibly forge a Dynasty in a worse time, as while Ming was created in the east, Western countries began a savage contest to colonize or destroy the entire world that lay before them. This would eventually lead to the downfall of the Ming Dynasty's successor, but could easily have affected them if the situation was right.
ming really had a lot of economic problems. Because of the little ice age in 1600s, the ming govement had not enough food and money for their people and soldiers, ming was actually destoried by li zi cheng very easily. manchurians were just lucky to have wu san gui. otherwise they cannot pass the great wall. Qing was nothing compare to Ming. just famous for the ugly pig tail hairstyle.
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han chinese have been fearful of Manchu since hans dynasty cos Hans chinese believe that manchu people are invincible.Manchu didn't lost a single fighter when they walk through the great wall bulit by hans to conquered and occupated china. stamping manchu supremacy in china.
where did you learn your Chinese history? The earliest Chnese record speaking of Manchurian is at Song vs Jin period. They were called Jurchen at that time. No record exists about them before them.
During the Han Dynasty, the greatest foe was the Huns. They were expelled by the Chinese and move westward.
Maybe it is the nature of asians especially east asians who liked to have heated arguments centered on the issue of racism and religious intollerance.
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Hans chinese cannot be great leader, they are natural born follower and slave. Manchus are natural born leaders ,there are many great manchu leaders like Emperor Kang xi. Hans are only slave to the Manchu. Killing of disobedient slave is the master right.
what are you talking about? han chinese had had Han dynasty & every other dynasty excepting Yuan & Qing and then, even the Qing modeled themselves to Han ideals...
@bensontam I told my western coworkers that the Han Chinese has the strongest reproductive capability in the world, just like locust or cockroach. That's the only reason Han Chinese dominates China now, not because they are good. Considering Han Chinese accounts for more than 90% of the Chinese population, this is obvious. In many respects, Tibetan people, Mongolian people are much more better and nicer than Han Chinese.
I think this series overly romanticized the Ming dynasty. I am ethnic Han and usually have high regard for Han-ruled dynasties like Han, Sui, Tang, Song and Ming dynasties. However, I think we Chinese should also put things into perspective and not blindly worship things. By any historical accounts and academic references, the Ming was arguably one of the most ruthless, despotic, and paranoid periods in Chinese history. Just look like how Chongzhen dealt with his best generals in this show...
kiddo817 2 weeks ago
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China is similar to UK.
Han chinese are like english.
Uyghurs are like scottish.
Tibet is like Welsh.
And inner mongolia is like northern Ireland.
The manchus and han chinese are now one ethnic group like anglo-saxons.
kangaroodragon123 3 months ago
funny how the kimchee rats and southern barbarians from south of yangzi river here keep barking about others' history and origins that they don't even have any ideas about?
GodsCommand 8 months ago
Glory to the Empire of Ming, I am very proud of being a Han, the desendants of Han, Tang, Song and Ming. Throughout my life, I have never recognised Qing and Yuan.
In Ming dynasty, China was in the middle of being shaped from a feudal state into a modernised one. But in the wake of war with Japan in Korea, China's assets reserve were nearly exhausted, leaving the empire vulnerable to handling famine, plauge and rebellion arising herefrom. Manchurian took this chance to invade and conquer China
MrGabrielyu 10 months ago
@MrGabrielyu what a silly thing to say.. does that mean you are going to give back Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria ?.. where would the Han people be without people like Chin Shi Hwang Di and Kublai Kahn... nothing but a bunch of rice and barley farmers along the yellow river. China is what it is today because it was shaped by outside influences... the Han culture mixed and integrated with all the people it came into contact with....
2Shye 9 months ago
@2Shye kiblai khan was nothing more than a human butcher,go look at history and see how many ethnic groups,cultures and countries were destroyed by him,just in northern china alone,the entire Jurchern and Dangxiang(xixia) peoples were gone,the mongles are now having their karma with 3/5 of the population living in inner mongolia and losing their original cultures while the other 2/5 in outer mongolia and living in poverty
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@GodsCommand Kublai was the butcher ?.. lol... and so Qin Shi Hwang and Chairman Mao weren't?? lol
The Jurchens weren't wiped out by the yuan dynasty they renamed themselves to Manchu.. who eventually conquered the whole of china. so you think Han chinese are eternally peaceful and the rest of the world is barbaric? thats a very naive way to see the world. I think more Chinese people died under chairman Mao and Chin Shi Hwang Di than died at the hands of foreign invaders.
2Shye 8 months ago
@2Shye They are all butchers,but Kublai was the most extreme one.
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@2Shye Jurchens were completely wiped off after Jin Dynasty collapsed with a minority changed their identity to Han chinese and fled to southeastern China,Manchu were mostly the descendants of Jurchens who didn't follow Jin Dynasty and entered the central plains,but not the descendants of those Jurchens who perished in the central plains/china proper.
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@GodsCommand you are only basing that on an assumption, whenever one empire was destroyed by another it was more common for the noble families to be executed or exiled the vast majority of people were either assimilated or became refugees. The Jin Dynasty might have been destroyed but it wasn't by Kublai kahn (it fell to a combined strike by the mongols and Song chinese even before Ghengis came to power) and the people lived on to found a few more dynasties..
2Shye 8 months ago
@2Shye I was telling the truth,majority of the Jurchens didn't flee to Manchuria,instead they were either assimilated in the central plains or fled to to southeastern China,nowadays there are han chinese populations with surnames like nian in fujian and taiwan which are believe to be originated from Jurchens
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@GodsCommand infact they still exist today.. anyone who speaks Xibe is either decended from Jurchen/Jin or Khitan/Liao (which was a multi ethnic kingdom).. so your original assertion is still completely false.
2Shye 8 months ago
@2Shye you have no ideas about these people.Xibes are descendants of xianbeis NOT Jurchens or Khitans,in fact Jurchen and Khitans were quite different from each other in terms of origins,cultures and so on,don't mix everything up
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@GodsCommand I dont agree with that premise at all.. ALL of the nomadic steppe people were constantly intermixing.
the Khitan Liao dynasty was a multi ethnic kingdom. more so than PRC. and the Jurchen Jin Dynasty was equally multi ethnic.. as was Kogoryeo, and Balhae... all of those dynasties had large populations of Jurchens all of those tribes spoke similar languages which were linguistically similar to modern Xibe.
2Shye 7 months ago
@2Shye similar doesn't means the same,yes,both Liao and Jin empires were multi ethnic but their major ruling ethnic groups were rather homogeneous.Xibes adopted a form of Manchu language that is why linguistically they are closer to Jurchens but racially speaking they are not Jurchens,but are closest to Xianbeis.
GodsCommand 7 months ago
@GodsCommand Inner mongolia forcibly settled by Han chinese and was kept in poverty as part of old PRC policy to stop the people from becoming too powerful so that they didn't rise up against the
government. The USSR did the same for Mongolia Proper which is a vast open steppe with no trees and no ocean so it is not the kind of landscape which supports large populations of people.. that is why the Mongols always went south into china and west into towards Europe.
2Shye 8 months ago
@2Shye where the fuck did you get the info that inner mongolia was kept poor? in fact inner mongolia is an average province in china in terms of economic strength and I have many inner mongolian friends they have no dfference from han chinese from other nearby provinces like hebei,if inner mongolia is so poor then how come I see so many mongolian students from china who can afford overseas education in Japan,Singapore,Russia and even Europe??
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@MrGabrielyu I'm proud too but the fact of the matter is many of our own Han emperors sucked whilst some of the Qing emperors were decent.
theuglykwan 7 months ago
@theuglykwan I agree.. ethnicity alone does not define who is good to rule or not. The Qing only came to china because the Ming at the time couldn't stop fighting with themselves.
2Shye 7 months ago
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tabsopen 1 year ago
@tabsopen
Hard to do when you got racists such as joeangtong and IwantaYBaccount vomiting shit against Han and Manchus. The song itself is good, but some people just don't get over stuff that happened 400 years ago.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
"especially for manchurian. they originially lived in korea. they were been masscared by koreans,later begging Ming emperor to help them. 内附.they were been relocated in nowdays'Vladivostok and north korea coast region. so be clear and enough with those stupid lies by manchurian remains."
Not only is that wrong(Manchus only officially existed by Nurhaci), but totally irrelevant to the point. By your logic, then we would all be of some African nationality b/c that's where we all originated.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2 shut the fark up tyccoonship,LOL a famous korean troll with tens of accounts on youtube for spreading filthy kimchi lies.
GodsCommand 8 months ago
@Anthrophobia2 Hey kimchee,I feel sorry for u that your marmar had given u a terribly ugly kimchi face,but please don't hate yourself,life is short,since you still have 20 years left why don't you come out from cage and enjoy your life,nobody is goin to laugh at you....just try....
GodsCommand 8 months ago
"and with those territories you mentioned. are you been stupid?. they are the invader. sept tibet, I think Han are more lawful as the land owners of those places you metioned. We kicked their orignial owner, Hun and turk to Europe. .ps: world is fair, they can invade, we can visit their home too."
You don't know much about Chinese history. The Huns that were "kicked" to Europe happened more almost 2000 years before the Qing dynasty. It's of no relevance to the topic at hand.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
"japanese only regonize manchu called itself as Qing or China but definately not 中国. in surrender treaty."
Japanese saw Manchus as nonChinese because they wanted to create the puppet state of Manchukuo in Manchuria. On the other hand, ALL treatises that the Qing signed with foreign powers used the word "China" to represent themselves by Kangxi's reign. Look up the treaty of Nerchinsk.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
"Manchu;s so called first chinese flags and anthem.that exactly shows that Mandarin is not Han."
I never said the Manchus were Han, I said they were Chinese. I already stated this. Get that through your head. Han is an ethnic term, only Han supremacists think it's a national term.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
especially for manchurian. they originially lived in korea. they were been masscared by koreans,later begging Ming emperor to help them. 内附.they were been relocated in nowdays'Vladivostok and north korea coast region. so be clear and enough with those stupid lies by manchurian remains.
Hope they can be grateful to Han nation. and Shut the fuck up!
IwantaYBaccount 1 year ago
@IwantaYBaccount
"Hope they can be grateful to Han nation. and Shut the fuck up!"
The Qing emperors were grateful, at least according to their edicts. But that's more than I could say to Han chauvinists who don't realize that modern China's territorial sovereignty comes, by international law, completely from the Qing dynasty. Sun Yat Sen, the founder of modern China, also realized this and accepted China as a multiethnic nation.
"Shut the fuck up!"
What an intelligent retort.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Chinastar85 fuckhandog is a typical korean/turk
faculty3 1 year ago
满鞑子再也翻不了身了。
胡无人，汉道昌，这就是天道， 哈哈。
janatajay 1 year ago
@janatajay fuckhandog那是个韩国人,典型的韩国/土耳其人言论
faculty3 1 year ago
= =P...说得好像是满清帮了中原似的。不要本末倒置。满清是先占了中原才有个基础，然后再野蛮的扩大领土。
要不是它，中原文明至少还能更顽强，也不至于被西方和日本欺负得那么惨....清末就是个懦夫。
我们最重要的中华文明都被削弱了....都怪它= =汉服那么漂亮也没见几个人穿了，也都怪它= =
wlwlnana 1 year ago
@wlwlnana
这是对汉文明的摧残，可以说这是汉文明所经历的最黑暗的一页。至今仍让我扼腕痛惜，李定国、史可法、张煌言、夏完淳、郑成功他们挺身而出力挽狂澜，可惜时不与明！
MrGabrielyu 10 months ago
有人能教寫满文嗎?
dancello 1 year ago
FuckHanDog
真是让人恶心的言论。汉人如何没信仰了？儒道佛都是假的？西人有信仰就不会犯罪？中世纪的宗教迫害原来都是浮云。印度是世界最大的民主政体，可印度照样腐败。菲律宾也民主，照样有人饿死。而且谁再说谎？什么时候不再把你们对汉人的屠杀说成民族融合再说吧。
angel19930919 1 year ago
汉族今天的统治地位，不过是汉人能生能养人口多而已（就像老鼠、蟑螂比老虎、大象在地球上更繁盛一样），可能这里的汉族同胞不爱听，但事实如此，我只是捅破了这层窗纸。一个除了钱没有任何信仰的民族，一个说谎成性（甚至政府带头说谎造假）的民族，一个不顾史实只会把一切脏水都泼到少数民族身上的狭隘民族，一个在21世纪的今天还有大批人厚颜无耻地攻击民主自由的民族，......何谈优秀？
FuckHanDog 1 year ago
@FuckHanDog
你他妈的，你是不是你妈跟公猪交配的结果
MrGabrielyu 10 months ago
Whats up with the series upload it
pialoc 1 year ago
胡无人，汉道昌！
janatajay 1 year ago 8
joeangtong !!! Japanese massacred so many Chinese during WWII, so did Chinese accept Japanese empire as Chinese empire? joeangtong talk is cheap ! your Japs only know killing ! no wonder why Japanese been bured into hell by American nuclear bomb, it was the real punishment from heaven, muhaha Now Japan ruled by a group of people called American, poor joeangtong, USA has army bases in Japan, don't forget that!Japanese already accept American as Japanese empire lol poor........
hippo314 1 year ago
@hippo314
Just because joeangtong is rude against Chinese doesn't justify rudeness against Japanese(if joeangtong is even Japanese). Else you're just like him.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
anthrophobia2,you may not like the idea now but,after Jakor massacred millions of han chinese. cos of their resentment aganist Jakor dominance.. Thing will return to normal just like initial period manchu conquest of china. Han chinese will accept Jakor rule as chinese empire. Just like they accepted Qing empire as chinese empire.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Do you mean the Jurchens? There were no such thing as "Jakors". But I suppose it must give your racist mind a kick how Han Chinese were "massacred", as you put it. You must sound so proud of these Jakors. I don't see how you could ever claim that you aren't racist, when you obviously hate certain races enough to actually WANT them to be massacred/dominated. Your parents must be so proud of you. Or are they just as racist as you? That would explain your mental ineptitude.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
Almost as if dancing to a stately rhythm of drums of time, Chinese history has much of it been repetitive. From song (han) to Yuan (Mongolian), Ming (Han) to Qing (Manchu),repubic(han) to ????????. What is your guest. My guest is in about 200 years from now, China will be ruled by a group of people called. JAKOR. (Japanese and Korean). Chinese women no longer wear "Chi Pao" they will don Chima or Kimono cos Jakor people will have the mandate from heaven tp rul;e over china.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Admitting your wet dream of a doomed China doesn't make you look any better. Next time, before you humiliate yourself even further, think about what you're saying. Contrary to what you may believe, people generally don't like racist haters who have mental escapades on the downfall of some nation or whatnot. Those people aren't looked up to, they're rather seen as pathetic. So next time keep those thoughts in the closet, if you will.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
Han chinese have been relegated to slave twice, please don't make the third happen. God blessed them.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Why do you hate Han Chinese so much? Did they pick on you at school? Get over it. Please don't use history to justify your need for racist mental masturbation.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Here is a quote from the YongZheng emperor of the Qing dynasty: "今逆贼等于天下一统，华夷一家之时，而妄判中外，谬生忿戾，岂非逆天悖理，无父无君，蜂蚁不若之异类乎？" So even according to the "master race" as you term them, the Manchus still consider you "lower than bees and ants" due to your need to divide "what's Chinese and what's foreign". Face it, the Manchus simply aren't as racist as you are.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong Don't worry... the Japs has been the Chinese dog for thousand of years. That will happen again.
bensontam 1 year ago
@bensontam
Not really. Japanese may be a "tributary nation" in the eyes of Chinese dynasties, but Japanese throughout history does not, and tend to do their own thing when the Chinese puts their attentions elsewhere.
I see that you are just as racist as FuckHanDog, no?
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
Being slave for for than 200 years and with the collapse of the manchu empire in china. Han chinese are having problems carry out their master role. Old slave culture,mentality and mannerism still ran in their blood. It takes at least another 100 years for the han chinese to carry out the role of master race effectively.In this respect, han chinese have a lot to learn from the west,america and japan.
joeangtong 1 year ago
The occupation and conquer of Han China by the great manchu people with mere 25,000 men, with many korean and mongolian in their rank attest to the following theis :
1) Size doesn't matter
2) Han chinese are prone to renegade.
3) Brute force can make han chinese "Kowtow" to their new master.
4) Han Chinese readily relinquish their identity in favour of their master identity.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
You forget that a significant portion of Manchu banner armies were composed of the Han Chinese whom you hate so much. In fact, by the reign of Huang Taiji and his invasion of Korea, Han Chinese were already starting to outnumber Manchus in Banner Armies. So no, you can't logically use Qing conquest to justify some type of claim on racial superiority.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
The han chinese was relegated to 2 or 3 position.They have to toe whatever the the manchu said : dressing,writing and thinking (the slave race).
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
So far you ranted about Manchu racial superiority, yet still felt no shame when calling others racist. You purposely tried to counter my posts without directly replying to me, hoping that I would somehow never read your post. Yet you call others cowardly. You spread hate, yet you call others a terroist. You still don't get the fact that I don't care who conquered who, and you managed to mix the Imjin War with the 1950s Korean War, yet you still called others stupid. Laughable.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong
So congratulations. Your personality contains all the most detestable of human qualities, nicely wrapped in a bundle. I'm impressed.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
At last,, you have some sense left in your sicked head. At last ,you accept the bitter historical fact that the great manchu people defeated the han people. In the old day, the winner take all,the great manchu people ( the master race) practice racial biased policy base on manchu superiority.The great manchu people enjoyed special privileges and preference, and was given top priority.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
What part of "I don't care" do you not understand? This is the third time I said it, but talking to you is like talking to a brick. Of course, I don't expect any more from a racist such as yourself. I don't see how you could mentally masterbate over these things and still call others racist. This only proves my original point: trolls like you should be prevented from reproducing. Otherwise humans will waste too much time hating each other rather than solving real problems.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
Is this movie about the Great Ming Vs Manchu before the Manchu overtook China?
aznpride0 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2
The great manchu people conquered and occupation of china, and subsequent manchu supremacy in china was written in the history books throuhout the world. Yet you repeatedly labelling people who believe in the course of history from 1644 to 1911 in china as racist. You are not only a psycho, but a terrorist with a low I Q. If you don't like it, you can go back in time to stop the great manchu people from conquering china with your dragon sword.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Nice strawman argument. I labeled you as a racist because you said Manchus were superior to the Han, not because they conquered a Han dominated dynasty. Obviously the rusted cogs of your mind can't grasp this simple concept. I don't care who conquered who, because I study history for intellectual reasons. You study history to prove that some people are superior to others. Don't try to twist my words next time. You can fool others but that doesn't make you any less pathetic.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
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Anthrophobia2
It.s seem that you didn,t heel my advice. The only place fit for you is Guatamala jail.
You have the tendency to blame others for your illness and inability to act, refusing to accept the reality and live in your imaginary world . You are a walking time bomb to threat to public security and peace. You are a 911 terrorist in the making.
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Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong
3. Stupid: You repeatedly believed the 16th century Imjin war was the 20th century Korean War. You also can’t seem to make a coherent argument beyond the usual “yes-uh, not-uh” namecalling.
4. Shameless: Despite all your shortcomings, you flaunt your hate, cowardice, and stupidity, but only behind the safety of the internet of course.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
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@joeangtong
Lets see the qualities of someone who's a threat to public security and peace. They are
1. Hateful: You have shown tendencies of racism, calling Han people "slaves" out of anger. I only hate people that are like you.
2. Cowardly: I doubt you would dare openly show your racism up to someone's face. You also waited 3 weeks before replying to me, and then didn't directly reply to my post, hoping I would miss your reply and thus not respond. More cowardly behavior on your part.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2
This ia an medical emergency. you need medication immediately. you are out of your mind. you are hysterical. i suggest you go to the nearest hospital immediately.
God bless you mental health.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
I see how it is. joeangtong can't think of an intelligent reply(as always) and so he goes on to say something completely inane, with no previous relevance to the topic at hand. Classic. At least, your last reply isn't filled with racist bile but was only directed against me. It's also funny how you criticize my mind. From your post, you are the one who is racist and cowardly. You are also dumb enough to mix the Imjin War with the Korean War. Guess that makes you a hypocrite.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Which is why I stick to my first post. People like you should be prevented from breeding. That way your genes which affects tolerance and intelligence won't taint the next generation, furthering the cycle of hatred. These genes are much more important than "Manchu DNA" or "Han DNA" or whatever racial characteristics that your racist mind puts so much emphasis on. At the very least, you should do your species a favor and get a vasectomy. You shame me, you shame yourself.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
I love these kind of shows, they are like the Chinese versions of HBO's ROME, except more exciting.
frankystein12 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2
Descendants of defeated manchu war slave, cannot accepted the fact that great manchu people attacked and conquered china, and colonised china for more than 250 years.Have illusion that Imjin war happened in the 16 century. you have mental problems, you are a psychosis. and you certainly need psychotherapy. who knows, you may have manchu DNA.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Lol, despite still believing that the 16th century Imjin War is the 20th century Korean War, you are still cowardly as always. Why don't you display your racism in the open where everyone knows who you are, instead of venting your hate on the obscurity of the internet. Did little Han kids pick on you at school? Get over it. As for the Imjin War, it's called googling. Go look it up. But that may be too much for your racist brain to handle. I can hear your rusty cogs trying to turn.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Also, unlike you, I don't mind having Manchu DNA, Han DNA, or whatever DNA. That is, unlike you, I don't judge by race but by character. You have proven to lack character because you are ignorant, racist, and worst of all a coward. By hiding your hate behind the internet, you know racism is something to be ashamed of. Yet you continue venting hate under the protection of an internet profile. Pathetic. Even Hitler had the balls to show his racism. Even compared to him, you are slime.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Deuszxable ,Imjin war took place during korean war in 1952 . are you crazy? Manchu people could conquered China is cos they are better than han chinese. They are stronger, competent fighter, and have more brain power than han chinese.
joeangtong 1 year ago
@joeangtong
So you're one of those people who don't dare be racist in real life, so you spew your filth on youtube. This means you're not just a racist, but a coward. People like you should be prevented from breeding so your mix of hatred and cowardice won't dilute the human gene pool.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@joeangtong
Also, Imjin war was certainly NOT the 20th century Korean War, but happened in the late 16th century when Hideyoshi fancied that he could conquer all the way to India(he was stopped at Korea). On top of being a racist and a coward, it turns out you are also stupid. Don't be embarrassed, haters usually have that attribute.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@bensontam , it is impossible for china to rule japan. Even though japan is small,but the solidarity of japanese people is very strong,japanese people wouldn't betray it's people and country. On the contrary, chinese people are well known for their betrrayal especially to their people and country. if not, how come, manchu people can easily defeated and demolished han chinese, and declared themselves as the emperors of han chinese.
joeangtong 2 years ago
@joeangtong "japanese wouldn't betray its people and its country" <- this statement is not applicable to the new generation Japanese.
Manchu choose the period when China is weak. Well, Japanese choose the right period to invade China too (in fact, 2 times. Once in 15th century, and the other time in 20th centry).
Japs failed twice. I guess Japs is even worse than Manchu.
bensontam 2 years ago
@bensontam Japan didnt invade China in 15th century
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@joeangtong SO what are you? American? You must also know that Americans are pedophiles because some american men have sex with children (their own). If not american, what are you?
Isreal4realz 1 year ago
@joeangtong also, i thought you know everyone japanese persons. I know a few and one of them hates his country. So whats that about not betrayal again? yea you are a fucking dumbass
Isreal4realz 1 year ago
@joeangtong Todays Chinese are probably much more proud of their country than todays Japanese are proud of their own. The reason why the Manchus could conquer China was because China was worn out financially and millitarily because of the Imjin war (Seven Year war) in Korea against Japan, the Manchus then grabbed their chance to invade and conquer China.
Deuszxable 1 year ago
@joeangtong The only reason why the Japanese wouldn't have betrayed Japan (maybe) was because of the superstitious belief that the emperor was god's wingman on earth.
frankystein12 1 year ago
What happen to Qing dynasty drama.. only Han, Tang, Sung, and Ming was ethnic Han chinese dynasties.
mekon11 2 years ago
这部片虽然拍得不怎么样，但是片头做得真是不错
xingfenzhen 2 years ago
psh racist and out of point =,=;
CeliozEden 2 years ago
manchu people are saviour and protectors of han chinese. han chinese enjoyed peace and prosperity under great manchu people lordship
joeangtong 2 years ago 3
@joeangtong That's the funniest joke I have ever heard in my entire life. I hope China will rule Japan someday in the future. All Japanese will live happily forever under Communist China protection.
bensontam 2 years ago
請問您有汴水流這首片尾曲嗎?謝謝.
HonorableWiseNubian 2 years ago
为什么大家都在用英文讨论中国历史？以英文的深度，能说清楚中国 上下五千年的浩瀚历史事迹吗？
HonorableWiseNubian 2 years ago
言語之間都是表達一樣意思, 你也可以用中文看西方人的歷史呀.
如果照你這樣說, 我更要用甲骨文來看了吧???
friewind2000 2 years ago 4
@friewind2000
Every history has it's up and downsso i am respecting the one you have ok!!!
HonorableWiseNubian 2 years ago
please think about it , sometimes oversea keyboard have no way to type chinese, and its not about language problem pls dont sound so racist
CeliozEden 2 years ago
Ok i was not trying too I apologize if i did and yes ming and the ching dynasty were very corrupt to some degree and every empire had there good Emperror and or Queen for that matter
WiseNubiansPAGE 2 years ago
老毛是魔鬼, 做了很多坏事.
jaslynk1 2 years ago
Manchu was nothing but barbarians with pig tails. They had no achievement except destroying most of Chinese civilizations and cultures.
darkhabsburg 2 years ago
@darkhabsburg?
Frist off how cam humans have pig tails? also what make you so smart on this subject! was you there?
HonorableWiseNubian 2 years ago 2
no if u read some history they impacted china alot. But Chinese troops kicked them out. Weren't Manchus also a little Japanese?
rsonbie456 2 years ago
not even close to japan, the only country close to machu other than china is korean =.=;
CeliozEden 2 years ago
Be grateful. Without the Manchus China would be half its current size.
Anthrophobia2 2 years ago 8
@Anthrophobia2 With Manchus, China was bullied by numerous western countries and Japan from 19-20th centuries.
bensontam 1 year ago
@bensontam
What does that have to do with what I said?
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2 应该是你感谢我们汉人改朝换代时没把你们杀绝才对。看我们对你多好，慈禧，乾隆那老妖，被挖坟，我们还会帮你重新收敛呢。还有看看大明的地图吧，辽东本来就是汉人的土地，你们贱奴的老家是在海参威。连你们老家都丢了还有脸吹。如果没有小冰河时期，没有汉奸，大明的火器部队在熬上几年，后樘枪一出来，不把你们杀光才怪。还有现在的领土是解放军打出来的，管你们屁事。一群戏子，娼妓
IwantaYBaccount 1 year ago
@IwantaYBaccount
I am a "Han ren", fyi. If you haven't noticed, I've just been through an argument with a racist (joeantong) who hates "Han ren". So don't be too quick to talk about how your ancestors kicked my ancestors ass, when in fact we have the same ancestor. It's stupid.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2 you are mandarin. you are not Han. mandarin，蛮鞑人 was the name which my ancestors used to call you.Even dutch and portugees 400years ago knew that. Only stupid communists put mandarin as Han. Ps: don't you think you can write some kanji, and read some old classic Han textbooks, then you can put yourself as Han. No!
IwantaYBaccount 1 year ago
@IwantaYBaccount
You are a complete idiot, iwantaYBaccount. Assuming you meant mandarin as Manchu, I am Han because my ancestors were Han, not Manchus. I said Manchus helped expand Chinese territory, in response to a Han chauvinist who said they were nothing more than barbarians. That doesn't mean I'm a Manchu. And what does it matter even if I am a Manchu? You think that makes me lesser than you, who attacked me for being "anti-Han" even though I was defending it? Shamefully idiotic.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
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IwantaYBaccount 1 year ago
@IwantaYBaccount
The fact that I don't equate "Chinese" with Han doesn't make me a "fake Han". Last time I checked, "Han" was an ethnic term, not a national one. On the other hand, the first dynasty that had a "Chinese flag", a "Chinese national anthem", or signed a treaty using the words "China", was the Qing dynasty. If you think they're not Chinese simply because of their ethnicity or culture, then that's ethnic discrimination. So perhaps you are the one who should "read more books".
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2
Also, if you think the Qing wasn't Chinese, then perhaps the claim of having Tibet, Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, and Xinjiang should be dropped. Because the Qing dynasty's boundaries was where the current Chinese nation's territorial sovereignty came from. By your logic, China should be as small as the Song dynasty.
Anthrophobia2 1 year ago
Manchu;s so called first chinese flags and anthem.that exactly shows that Mandarin is not Han. japanese only regonize manchu called itself as Qing or China but definately not 中国. in surrender treaty. and with those territories you mentioned. are you been stupid?. they are the invaders. Except tibet, I think Han are more lawful as the land owners of those places you metioned. We kicked their orignial owner, Hun and turk to Europe. .ps: world is fair, they can invade, we can visit their home too.
IwantaYBaccount 1 year ago
@Anthrophobia2 again. mandarin is mandarin. Han is Han.That is all I want to say. I ethnic discrimination? LOL. when your ppl stealing our real Han's culture and ethnic identity, replacing it with distorted lies. U said you been discriminated? seems that every single time u ppl used excuses like racism and unity to ask our Han ppl to compromise, to do self sacrifice. so you parasites can keep on sucking blood from Han nation.
IwantaYBaccount 1 year ago
sorry sir but from old history everyone knows that Ming dynasty was really corrupt , at least Ching was the the new hope they gave people, people only wan peace and food, pls think abt it
CeliozEden 2 years ago
@CeliozEden actually the ming dynasty history we know today is made by Qing government. Qing government has a long history of controlling ppl's mind blackmailing Ming. People say Ming is suppose to be really corrupted, but then from European visitors records it shows a quite quite different fact. That is Ming is actually stronger than Qing, and the so called Kang Qian Heyday never existed
canadianfirzen 2 years ago
@CeliozEden The so-called "Ming history" was written by the Manchurian during the Qing Dynasty. You can imagine how "accurate" can it be.
bensontam 2 years ago
any history writen by a person is not reliable . What my point is , if ming doesnt have problem , explain to me why and how they came out with names like " 觀音土" ?
my main point is its not abt politics or race now, the people are hungry, someone have to end it , its people who are suffering .
CeliozEden 2 years ago
@CeliozEden Of cuz Ming has its own problem, same for Qing Dynasy. However, people always compare Qing with Ming and critize how Ming is incompetent.
If Ming emperors were so useless, how come its empire can last for 276 years?
bensontam 2 years ago
i think u didnt get the point, a dynasty can last doesnt mean its a good politics , sometimes they can surppress by force , plus, any dynasty starts with a good reason but imagine how much dynasty had mislead and fallen ? u cant compare the last emperor with the first emperor isnt it?
and yuan chong huan is not a warlord and he was being send to war, this is a fact so is " 觀音土" u havent answer me the question yet btw
CeliozEden 2 years ago
@bensontam And the so-called Qing history and almost all the comments on Qing Dynasty were written by the Han Chinese after 1911. You can imagine how "accurate" can it be. By the way, I have to correct you that most of the writters of "Ming history" were Han Chinese serving for Qing dynasty, some of them were even ex-official in Ming dynasty. By comparison, how many Manchurian ever got a chance to speak for Qing dynasty?
FuckHanDog 1 year ago
@FuckHanDog Using the same logic, the history of Ming was written (or I should say) distorted during Qing Dynasty. Despite the fact that there were many Han Chinese official working in Qing Dynasty, the emperor is Manchu and you won't write anything that stand against the emperor. You can see how "accurate" the history can be.
bensontam 1 year ago
@darkhabsburg And these "barbarians" governed Han Chinese, who has more than 10 times as much population as Manchu, for almost 300 years. Come on, what the hell Han Chinese did during the 300 years? If Manchu was "barbarians" like you said, why Han Chinese (including your grandparents and grandgrandparents) didn't stand up and overthrew it?? Ironically, the population of Han Chinese grew almost 4 times during Manchu's governing.
FuckHanDog 1 year ago
dddddddddddd
wuliang100 2 years ago
为什么大家都在用英文讨论中国历史？以英文的深度，能说清楚中国上下五千年的浩瀚历史事迹吗？
mlu168 2 years ago 3
因为有的在国外的华人，电脑打不出中文吧~
Superkywalker 2 years ago 4
a lot of people don't realised,it is the great manchu people who bring glory to han chinese. the great manchu people built the finest yuan min yuan and chende resort.. it is also the great manchu people who attacked and conquered tibet , xinxiang, and taiwan which broadened the chinese border. the manchu empire in china is the greaest empire in china for five thousands years.
perdakim 2 years ago
who cares we are all chinese... and ming dynasty or was it han dynasty was considered the most powerful of chinese dynasties
shady110 2 years ago
非常赞同，没有满清，中国的版图不会是目前的样子。可惜，一解放，老毛就把蒙古给丢了。
mlu168 2 years ago
Although the Manchus did expand china's borders, it didn't do much good either. When the Qing Dynasty began to decline, EVERY neighboring country went to war with China. I actually admire earlier dynasties who just kept what they had. At least the people were spared from warfare.
FrankQ1368 2 years ago
@FrankQ1368 Do you mean Song dynasty? or Ming Dynasty? Both lost their territory in their history.
FuckHanDog 1 year ago
Final comment, great series!
tubester101we 2 years ago 8
Also, jojo8113, is correct, Ming collapsed because it as a dynasty was like one of those people who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, collapsing economy, a "Jin" (Later changed to Qing under Huang Tai Ji I think) Dynasty rapidly growing in strength to the north. Along with that were many internal issues, traitorous generals and civil servants. Also, Wu San Gui paired with Li Zi Cheng was more of a 1-in-a-million chance, its like winning the lottery for Qing, need I say more?
tubester101we 2 years ago
Ummmm no, actually, most nomadic peoples all descend from the venerable Aryan peoples, which settled all over the world. Secondly, you could not possibly forge a Dynasty in a worse time, as while Ming was created in the east, Western countries began a savage contest to colonize or destroy the entire world that lay before them. This would eventually lead to the downfall of the Ming Dynasty's successor, but could easily have affected them if the situation was right.
tubester101we 2 years ago
ming really had a lot of economic problems. Because of the little ice age in 1600s, the ming govement had not enough food and money for their people and soldiers, ming was actually destoried by li zi cheng very easily. manchurians were just lucky to have wu san gui. otherwise they cannot pass the great wall. Qing was nothing compare to Ming. just famous for the ugly pig tail hairstyle.
jojo8113 2 years ago
shihang86
Manchu didn't appeared out of thin air, great manchu people exists since hans dynasty, but with different referencial name.
perdakim 2 years ago
Gengiz han Tribe was! Althaic Turks
so he is Turk!
4llbl4ckzlund 2 years ago
apparently the manchu were wiped out by tanks, mechanized infantry, and air force
PrimateCubicle 2 years ago
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han chinese have been fearful of Manchu since hans dynasty cos Hans chinese believe that manchu people are invincible.Manchu didn't lost a single fighter when they walk through the great wall bulit by hans to conquered and occupated china. stamping manchu supremacy in china.
perdakim 2 years ago
come on dude, there wasn't even no Manchu people in Han dynasty. read some books and get life dude
shihang86 2 years ago 2
they said machu people came from one of the 3 korean dynasty when they destroy by sila kindgom of korea during the 7th century.
pokermaniac0978 2 years ago
@shihang86 So what? even with such a long history, the Han Chinese are not any better than other nations.
FuckHanDog 1 year ago
where did you learn your Chinese history? The earliest Chnese record speaking of Manchurian is at Song vs Jin period. They were called Jurchen at that time. No record exists about them before them.
During the Han Dynasty, the greatest foe was the Huns. They were expelled by the Chinese and move westward.
bensontam 2 years ago
what are you talking about? The Han Chinese didn't think the Manchu where invincible.
Fork21345 2 years ago
This debate is like trying to arrange the PAST instead of trying to arrange the FUTURE...
vsovereign2 2 years ago
i dont give a shit, what is this song, can someone give me artist and where to download it. thanks get a life.
downwiz2 2 years ago
I think the forbidden palace should be changed to public palace since there is no longer a chinese royal family.
sarge6925 3 years ago
officially it's called palace museum of Beijing.
xingfenzhen 3 years ago
@sarge6925 I think your moms vagina stinks.
Isreal4realz 1 year ago
Fucking Manzhour
Rus198111 3 years ago 2
everytime i look at a asian drama video on this site all i see on the comments is racism which is not cool folks
RazlerofEsthar 3 years ago 4
Ironically you are right.
Strange is it?
Maybe it is the nature of asians especially east asians who liked to have heated arguments centered on the issue of racism and religious intollerance.
absjaris 3 years ago
the reason KOREANS do not have proper history records is because the Japanese destroyed many historical records in world war 2
RazlerofEsthar 3 years ago
Tang dynasty was ruled by multi-culture, but Han Chinese is the major creater.
hippo314 3 years ago
請問您有汴水流這首片尾曲嗎?謝謝.
yeholivia 3 years ago 3
nope china replaced britain economy 2yrs ago as the fourth largest economy in the world.
richee211 3 years ago 9
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Hans chinese cannot be great leader, they are natural born follower and slave. Manchus are natural born leaders ,there are many great manchu leaders like Emperor Kang xi. Hans are only slave to the Manchu. Killing of disobedient slave is the master right.
perdakim 3 years ago
fuck that shit
tonghin 3 years ago
what are you talking about? han chinese had had Han dynasty & every other dynasty excepting Yuan & Qing and then, even the Qing modeled themselves to Han ideals...
vsovereign2 3 years ago
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I think Tang dynasty was not ruled by Han Chinese.
jiaxiking 3 years ago
To perdakim:
HAHHAHAHAHAHAH .... Han chinese cannot be great leader!? Do you know that current CCP and the Taiwanese Government are found by Han Chinese?
Both countries are doing very very well under Han Chinese rule. You must be still living in Qing Dynasty.
bensontam 3 years ago 8
@bensontam
Or Yuan……
neshershahor 1 year ago
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FuckHanDog 1 year ago
@bensontam I told my western coworkers that the Han Chinese has the strongest reproductive capability in the world, just like locust or cockroach. That's the only reason Han Chinese dominates China now, not because they are good. Considering Han Chinese accounts for more than 90% of the Chinese population, this is obvious. In many respects, Tibetan people, Mongolian people are much more better and nicer than Han Chinese.
FuckHanDog 1 year ago