Hello Wayne,i would like to ask you about Hogan's impact from face on. We see how that knee kolaps, we don't want it like this right? we prefer to have it straight right?
He isn't comparing the 2 swings, he is analysing each 1 individually. So no he doesn't need too have the same era of swing. Good video keep up the good work.
Nice analysis once again. Ben Hogan was a great player, but once again we see an example of what a player, even a great one, 'feels' not being what he does. He once described himself 'feeling' like he was 'swinging within a barrel', but you can clearly see that esp. on the transition he really moves outside the box/barrel. Just shows once again how important the mind is in creating a great golf swing.
Is it enough to make your lateral move left and assume that by bringing the club down from this move W some shoulder /arm effort -that the hips will turn properly.I ask, because this is what I feel happens as long as I keep a fulcrum with left arm & arm pit.When I turn the hips prior to bringing the club down,just after the lateral move it feels like I get a coming over the top feel.So I am going lateral arms drop hips start on there own and then finish to impact leading with handle of course.
Hi Wayne, when you look at the angle of the shaft at address / left arm parallel / position at the top - this really helps to distinguish how 'deep' certainly players swings / hands are. Do you think having a 'deeper' swing (smaller progression, as you would say) is 'better'? If the goal if the backswing is to get to a good impact position, would you say that a deeper swing with smaller progression is MORE inclined to get back on the shaft plane / hands in the circle / therefore better release?
One important aspect to notice about Hogan's set up, is his hand position. His hands are always behind the ball with the shaft leaning away from target a bit. This set up is good to get a feel for change of direction on the down swing, a bit old school. Also notice the head is rotated about 30* away from target.
if i were to pick one thing from this analysis that really is worth mentioning, it is the hip box. because hogan's glutes begin to stick out, you KNOW he is compressing his legs and feet into the ground, which causes his head to lower and creating LEVERAGE. the move with his left cheek out again is another compression even further, which is imperative in determining whether or not a golfer is just spinning over their hips (trunk swing) or actually using the legs as leverage as well.
Wayne, have you analyzed Dustin Johnson or Zach Johnson? Both have interesting swings and a video or two might draw interest as a predecessor to Ryder Cup!
Wayne, have you analyzed Dustin Johnson or Zach Johnson? Both have interesting swings and a video or two might draw interest as a predecessor to Ryder Cup!
Mr. Francisco, have you analyzed Zach Johnson or Dustin Johnson? Both have interesting things happening at top of swing. And a video or two might draw interest as a nice predecessor to Ryder Cup!
Mr. Francisco, have you analyzed Zach Johnson or Dustin Johnson. Both have interesting things happening at top of swing. And a video or two might draw interest as a nice predecessor to Ryder Cup!
Hi Wayne, thanks again for the analysis. Just for my own understanding you mention that at address the club shaft is at 53°, when his left arm is parallel to the ground his shaft plane is 57° and at the top his shaft plane is 67° so increments of 4° all the way to the top. My question is does the club then retain those same angles on the way back to the ball meaning when his left arm is parallel on the way down the club shaft will be at 57° and will be 53° again at impact? Thanks.
@HabloIrlandes Not really. With a combination of stresses from the forward movement and rotation the shaft is affected in a number of ways that aren't consistent from player to player. Wrist action and grip also play a role, as does the eventual impact area alignments
The main point of this analysis, creating space, is sound. The majority of the rest is fraught with error. The first misinterpretation is of the hands moving towards body, it is a trick of perspective induced by rotation. There are many others.
@AlexCzervic The problem with saying that the movement of the hands towards the body is a trick of perspective surely can't be correct because other swings (Tiger for instance) will not produce a similar picture after takeaway (or maybe you are referring to directly after impact?). Therefore there must be something unique about Hogan's swing that produces this difference...Wayne correctly describes this difference as a movement toward body/under shaft plane ect.
I don't see the validity of your comparison regarding different golfers with different swings. Perspective changes as well as body position both a result of rotation, relative position is not towards body.
Normally there is an assumption that you are describing what takes place from the perspective you are looking, but even if we admit a moving perspective based on rotation you would be incorrect. This rotation would not cause the hands to go under the original shaft plane unless there was manipulation of the spine angle or hands. Wayne points to the head as evidence for 1st and I direct you to the bending of the right arm after takeaway as evidence of the 2nd..not just rotation.
You should swing like Nightwing, however Hogan is a fine model. Five lessons is better than many realize. However it does contain some information easily misconstrued. First and foremost get the GRIP correct.
@AlexCzervic i agree. i've been looking to it for answers for a long time, ever since i started playing. along with mike maves' (sevam1) insight, i'm finally getting it. you don't try to swing like hogan, but after a period of time practicing you find out as you get better that hogan did lay everything on the table with 5 lessons. hogan did not lie or cover anything up, it's just written from his perspective as a player. feel will differ from player to player, simply because it has to.
Hello Wayne,i would like to ask you about Hogan's impact from face on. We see how that knee kolaps, we don't want it like this right? we prefer to have it straight right?
brikaakos 1 week ago
He isn't comparing the 2 swings, he is analysing each 1 individually. So no he doesn't need too have the same era of swing. Good video keep up the good work.
Fraserr1992 2 months ago
This is a pointless video. You're looking at two different eras of Hogans swing. If you want a true analysis check out Dan Whittaker's analysis.
the24thman 5 months ago
The hand suddenly appearing at 3:39 freaked me out.
bunkerputt 6 months ago
Nice analysis once again. Ben Hogan was a great player, but once again we see an example of what a player, even a great one, 'feels' not being what he does. He once described himself 'feeling' like he was 'swinging within a barrel', but you can clearly see that esp. on the transition he really moves outside the box/barrel. Just shows once again how important the mind is in creating a great golf swing.
justjames1111 7 months ago
how can presecret dtl and postsecret fo be analyzed together ???
hoganfan100 9 months ago
Is it enough to make your lateral move left and assume that by bringing the club down from this move W some shoulder /arm effort -that the hips will turn properly.I ask, because this is what I feel happens as long as I keep a fulcrum with left arm & arm pit.When I turn the hips prior to bringing the club down,just after the lateral move it feels like I get a coming over the top feel.So I am going lateral arms drop hips start on there own and then finish to impact leading with handle of course.
secretogolf 1 year ago
Hi Wayne, when you look at the angle of the shaft at address / left arm parallel / position at the top - this really helps to distinguish how 'deep' certainly players swings / hands are. Do you think having a 'deeper' swing (smaller progression, as you would say) is 'better'? If the goal if the backswing is to get to a good impact position, would you say that a deeper swing with smaller progression is MORE inclined to get back on the shaft plane / hands in the circle / therefore better release?
ElPinto1982 1 year ago
One important aspect to notice about Hogan's set up, is his hand position. His hands are always behind the ball with the shaft leaning away from target a bit. This set up is good to get a feel for change of direction on the down swing, a bit old school. Also notice the head is rotated about 30* away from target.
1tontomato 1 year ago
if i were to pick one thing from this analysis that really is worth mentioning, it is the hip box. because hogan's glutes begin to stick out, you KNOW he is compressing his legs and feet into the ground, which causes his head to lower and creating LEVERAGE. the move with his left cheek out again is another compression even further, which is imperative in determining whether or not a golfer is just spinning over their hips (trunk swing) or actually using the legs as leverage as well.
dschultz6072 1 year ago
Wayne, have you analyzed Dustin Johnson or Zach Johnson? Both have interesting swings and a video or two might draw interest as a predecessor to Ryder Cup!
steckleinjr 1 year ago
Wayne, have you analyzed Dustin Johnson or Zach Johnson? Both have interesting swings and a video or two might draw interest as a predecessor to Ryder Cup!
steckleinjr 1 year ago
Mr. Francisco, have you analyzed Zach Johnson or Dustin Johnson? Both have interesting things happening at top of swing. And a video or two might draw interest as a nice predecessor to Ryder Cup!
steckleinjr 1 year ago
Mr. Francisco, have you analyzed Zach Johnson or Dustin Johnson. Both have interesting things happening at top of swing. And a video or two might draw interest as a nice predecessor to Ryder Cup!
steckleinjr 1 year ago
best swing techincally and fundamentally, noone could or can swings like Hogan except Hogan himself
Nightwing690 1 year ago
Kew the best series of swing analysis ive seen yet thankz
Slammball 1 year ago
Any idea what year the footage on the left is from? Curious as to if it is pre/post accident - i.e. 'power golf' v. '5 lessons swing'
jpsartrean 1 year ago
Hi Wayne, thanks again for the analysis. Just for my own understanding you mention that at address the club shaft is at 53°, when his left arm is parallel to the ground his shaft plane is 57° and at the top his shaft plane is 67° so increments of 4° all the way to the top. My question is does the club then retain those same angles on the way back to the ball meaning when his left arm is parallel on the way down the club shaft will be at 57° and will be 53° again at impact? Thanks.
HabloIrlandes 1 year ago
@HabloIrlandes Not really. With a combination of stresses from the forward movement and rotation the shaft is affected in a number of ways that aren't consistent from player to player. Wrist action and grip also play a role, as does the eventual impact area alignments
wdefrancesco 1 year ago
@wdefrancesco Are the shoulders supposed to be on plane on the downswing and after impact equally or even at all?
I'm working on my swing an wondering if that is a factor
Wsj1994 8 months ago
good analys, I have almost all key moves in this swing.
Any way can you do a analys of Gary Players swing
I would be grateful
johngolfi 1 year ago
Al: Please enlighten me as to the errors my analysis is fraught with. Nice use of the word "fraught" by the way.
wdefrancesco 2 years ago
The main point of this analysis, creating space, is sound. The majority of the rest is fraught with error. The first misinterpretation is of the hands moving towards body, it is a trick of perspective induced by rotation. There are many others.
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
@AlexCzervic The problem with saying that the movement of the hands towards the body is a trick of perspective surely can't be correct because other swings (Tiger for instance) will not produce a similar picture after takeaway (or maybe you are referring to directly after impact?). Therefore there must be something unique about Hogan's swing that produces this difference...Wayne correctly describes this difference as a movement toward body/under shaft plane ect.
kyleroar 2 years ago
I don't see the validity of your comparison regarding different golfers with different swings. Perspective changes as well as body position both a result of rotation, relative position is not towards body.
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
@AlexCzervic
Normally there is an assumption that you are describing what takes place from the perspective you are looking, but even if we admit a moving perspective based on rotation you would be incorrect. This rotation would not cause the hands to go under the original shaft plane unless there was manipulation of the spine angle or hands. Wayne points to the head as evidence for 1st and I direct you to the bending of the right arm after takeaway as evidence of the 2nd..not just rotation.
kyleroar 1 year ago
@kyleroar
@kyleroar
Please take the time and think this through, not one of your statements is remotely correct.
AlexCzervic 1 year ago
wish I could swing like Hogan, I'm trying to learn how...
Nightwing690 2 years ago
You should swing like Nightwing, however Hogan is a fine model. Five lessons is better than many realize. However it does contain some information easily misconstrued. First and foremost get the GRIP correct.
AlexCzervic 2 years ago
@AlexCzervic i agree. i've been looking to it for answers for a long time, ever since i started playing. along with mike maves' (sevam1) insight, i'm finally getting it. you don't try to swing like hogan, but after a period of time practicing you find out as you get better that hogan did lay everything on the table with 5 lessons. hogan did not lie or cover anything up, it's just written from his perspective as a player. feel will differ from player to player, simply because it has to.
dschultz6072 1 year ago
Excellent mention of tripods.
rao4sos 2 years ago