In the historical version, there were 7,000 greeks I think, not 300. THIS is showing when Leonidas realized his rear guard was being flanked and took 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians, and 400 Thebans to face the flanking Persians in the pass. This was not the MAIN battle of Thermopylae, but more-less the last stand of the Greeks. AND, the Persians were said to have millions, but modern estimates say closer to 300,000 max. Damn the movie 300 is corrupting you all. I'm only 14 and I know this stuff.
@MTWfreak you know al that stuff? *kuch* wikipedia *kuch* but there actually where onlly 300 spartans (and the other 6000-7000 greeks) in the whole battle of thermoplaye
@brammatie2 Grow up. Everything I say might now be correct but that doesn't mean I used Wiki. There were only 300 SPARTANS, as I said, and also like I said there were about 7,000 Greeks, but if you knew the history, you would know that Leonidas took over 1,000 soldiers to the rear flank to fight off the flanking Persians. The MAIN battle of Thermopylae was not fought in the small pass that is portrayed in the movie or whatever.
two things, one I like how the greek general was the last to die. two, the greeks didn't break phalanx until the third day and didn't sustain significant casualties until the third day.
@ciadude2 The Spartans wore Bronze not steel and Spartans were better fighters, more brutal and no protection during training, unlike the Romans who fought safely for fear of losing soldiers and i agree with you mocking him! ^^ lol! and yes Romans were good tacticians but they learned from the Greeks. and i agree they had better weapons and armor, for they had steel.
@ciadude2 They survived because The Greek Spartans were they ancient worlds greatest warriors. They also had Thespians,Athenians, and other Greek forces. The battle lasted for 3 days and half a million Persians fought the Greeks, plus it was a small cliff side not a open field like that. The Spartans did die in the end thought for they were highly outflanked but to hold for that long! i know naught of how they even attempted this!
Spartans were as good with the long spear as they were with the sword, some one should make the spartans (in RTW ) good with both weapons, once i sieged a city with only spartan hoplites and 1 onager. nice vid . PS im having a problem with my spartans, i've got the official modded skins but when i see my spartans from afar they have the damn red cloak again... and the helmet and stuff...
in the end infact the spartans own pride was their downfall... only allowing spartans to marry other spartans means years of war depleated their men till there was nothing left, this battle was the highest point, after this there were Helot slave revolts and the Athenes bashed them about the place at sea... so all your ideals about spartans being super soldiers are highly exagreated. However it was an amazing stand in history that will never be forgotten
Although I do agree that their pride was their ultimate downfall I still say that they are super soldiers. The Athenians had more numbers but lacked the intense training and mental conditioning that a Spartan had. It's like in 300 when that one Greek saw the Persians and pissed his pants and the Spartan saw him and got happy. The Athenian army and the Spartan army were equally matched and the reason why each fell was because of the civil war that destroyed Greece. Only greeks can kill greeks lol
the film of 300 was highly entertaining, however i have read many books, seen different historical documents and television series which tell different stories and account of what happened. At the actual battle it is likely 250,000 troops attacked around 300 spartans and somewhere from 7000-9000 greek allies from surrounding city states... but dont for a second believe that those spartans didnt scream with pain or cry because although history would say other wise... it always happens in war
no way could the Persians have fielded 250,000 troops with the logistics they had at their disposal back then. Try feeding 250,000 troops TODAY and moving them with vehichles and it's next to impossible. Back then it was utterly impossible to mobilize such a huge army.
Most likely the Greek historians exaggerated the number of Persians to make their victory appear more grand.
300 was stupid, like it was some videogame transformed to the movie screen.
'i apologize for in accurate information it was really 301 Spartans (this including Leonidas) and 7000 other Greek soldiers vs Xerxes force invading force of 250,000 '
i apologise for not seeing you in the guiniss book of records recently for being the older man alive.
and i am sorry for not taking a look at the film evidence you got!
It's hard to comprehend that some people have such misguided beliefs. Get your head out of a freakin video game and actually read a book zomg. And I dont mean your game manual either. Spartan soldiers depicted by their OWN artwork shows the hoplites with a spear, shield, helmet.. and thats IT. Persians numbered around 1 million. That takes into account the full force including Navy and support personnel, but approx. 250k soldiers.
If you think the spartans cared if people saw them bleed youre a fool. But then again you'd also be a fool to take anything in a video game as cannon. Not even the movie "300" was completely historically accurate and they admit as much. If you want to be able to actually write / talk about something you really do know about.. start by reading Herodotus's work. He's the one who originally wrote the account of Thermopylae, Sardinia, and Platea.
300 was pretty freakin far from historically accurate
Xerxes was no black, pierced drag queen with orchs, trolls and ninjas in his army.
Herodotus most likely exaggerated the number of Persians. There's no way in hell they could have logistically moved such a huge army back then. Even today that is next to impossible.
The truth is that the Spartans from 300 wouldnt acrually dress like that because it shows when a spartan bleeds. and if a spartan bleeds then he must be able to die. that is why they are red cloaked in Rome Total war. This tactic has been used by many great warriors so that the enemy couldnt tell if he would die or not.
I am curious to what the estimated number of people that were ruled in the Achaemenid Empire at the time. Either way the number does not detract from the impressiveness of the victory of the Greek States against the Persian Empire like many seem to suggest.
There were 47 ethnic groups in the Persian empire, each population being different, it's possible that many men could be drafted into the army. Not to mention the ethnic groups not within the Persian army, acting as mercenaries. Another important thing to note is the Chinese empires. Considering the ammount of men that could be drafted into their armies, how is it that the Persian empire who's land area was much greater than that of China could not have that many men?
Resources in china(geographic area) were very different then resources in anatolia, levant, in greece. there are lists of historians and scholars who made estimates and most place the army under 250,000(many lower).
Yes, however the Achaemenid empire at it's height encompassed more than simply Anatolia and Levant. Stretching across Asia Minor, all the way to India, encompassing much of nothern Greece, including Thrace as well as Macedonia, not including the portions within the fertile area surrounding Egypt and Libya. Not to mention the fertile plains within Mesopotamia within the areas of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. The modern estimates don't even credit the Persians stockpiling of food for 3 years.
the main argument regarding resources was targeted at fresh water supply not neccesarily the food supply. although there are some arguments stating there was enough water in greece if all the irrigation systems were drained which is unlikely. However nobody knows the precise number of men(maybe never will) but many easily reject Herodotus's claim. Even to have 900,000 men would be a great triumph but to have some 5.2 million total men is simply a fairy tale.
Probably one of the worst videos i've seen in a very, very long time.
Shit editing.
Shit models.
The author had no idea what the battle was actually about or how it was fought.
It is very much clear that he just went to see 300, did a quick wikipedia search, was to lazy to read up, and then made a custom battle with 300 spartans and a lot of pontian levy spearmen. Ohh, and the Spartan Hoplites didn't fight in a macedonian phalanx.
cozur1234 you are absolutely correct this person was playing some damn game (notice in the bottom right corner it says 'game cam') and quoted the movie '300' "1000 nations of the Persian empire descended upon the Spartans at thermopylae" is a direct quote from the synopsis on the back of the DVD case.
besides that 300 Spartans is in accurate the numbers were exaggerated for the movie it was really more like 1000 Spartans vs 10000 Persians; and much of the terrain modeling was incorrect. there was not an open field of battle as seen here much of the battle was fought within the hot gates and farther north at Platea.
i apologize for in accurate information it was really 301 Spartans (this including Leonidas) and 7000 other Greek soldiers vs Xerxes force invading force of 250,000
In the end, Thermopylae accomplished nothing. Ahasaurus burned Athens to the ground. It was an Athenian sailor who saved Thermopylae. Without him, Ahasaurus would have simply sailed around Leonidas' flank. It was the same sailor that held the Greek coalition together and won at Salamis. The Spartans, actually, did very little. Themistocles. Look him up.
Leonidas killed his own brother, actually, he murdered him. Also, Athens and Sparta were legitimate targets b/c they sponsored the uprising of Ionian Greeks. However, these Greeks had already agreed to be governed by the Persians and it was no business of any of the Greek mainland.
Thermopylae was an illegal war. It violated Sparta's laws, and was fought in territory that the Spartans had neither rights or permission to fight over. Leonidas fell in love with a Delphic prediction that a king would fall if Sparta was to win.
WHY would Xerxes want to conquer all of Europe back then? Continental Europe was barely out of the Bronze age and there was next to no riches or trade with the barbarians of the major part of Europe. The important cultures were all around the Mediterrean sea, and these didn't give a damn about the barbarians of the North. It wasn't an interesting or important part of the world back then. This is why Alexander the Great never bothered invading those parts, since there was nothing worth taking
the brave greeks how sacrifised there lives, rallied all the greeks and defeated the persians and had pushed them back. IF THIS DID NOT HAPPEN the persians might have had other plans... ivading europe and at this time all other people were not strong anoth to fight back.
yeah, but the ancient Persians were a highly advanced and civilized culture back then so it's likely we would never have seen neither Christianity nor Islam in that scenario. btw, back then continental Europe was very uninteresting to the Persians and all the other Mediterrean civilizations, since there were no riches and only barbarians living there. Just remember the ancient Persians were aryans.
could escape , were 300 spartans and very little people know of this are 1000 Pelopenise hoplites held with the spartans. all the greeks died taking alltogether 25000 persians with them.
Big mastake as persia fond the secret pass and were gonna surround the 7000 greeks. 5300 GREEKS LEFT IN FEAR OF FALLING AND DIEING TO THE PERSIANS, ALSO GREECE COULD SACRAFICE not HERE SOLDIERS, so the remaining men at thernopolea how would certainly die so the other 5300 greeks were..
ON THE FIRST DAY 7000 GREEKS including 300 Spartans held thernopolea, while the athenian fleet held salamis to stop the persians surrounding the 7000 greeks, day 2 same thing happened. day 3, 4000 greeks positioned in a secret pass left it in fear of the city being attacked by persians.
nope, because Europe wasn't even interesting to the Persians back then. Just remember that at the time of the ancient Greek civilizations the rest of Europe was barely out of the Bronze age and didn't have neither natural riches nor trade worth any form of invasion. Most continental Europeans were living in tribe like villages.
A lot of the knowledge Greeks had they did get from the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians via the Persians who preserved this knowledge.
Charles Martel who defeated the muslim army in Tours in 732AD was a far more important battle for saving Europe. Also the failed seige of Vienna by the Ottoman turks was also important.
I dont think pretty much all of Persia was in the military thus ruling out any army with million men.Also there was more than just Spartans at Thermopylae , there was other Greeks from the city-states there too.
Ofcourse Persia didn't have a multi-million man STANDING ARMY. But haven't you ever heard of Levies? When you calculate all the facts, it is completely within reason that Xerxes has nearly 2 million men as Herodotus wrote.
It is not within reason, logistically such an army could not have been created with the supplies available. Modern historians seem to all agree on that aspect.
As I said, modern "historians" are mostly idiots. Again, it is BECAUSE of these difficulties that Persia lost. Had Xerxes used an army he was able to support, he would have won. Because he used 1.7 million men, he lost.
You know, the battle of Thermopylae happened over 2000 years ago, nobody knows exactly how it went, how many persians there were, etc. What we do know is that there was a smaller force of greeks against a larger force of persians and they used the narrow pass at Thermopylae to their advantage. So quit arguing all you know-it-alls.
No that is not what I am referring to. I am talking about the battle of Artemisium. The other documentary is longer and more recent. Youtube Last Stand of the 300.
Battle of Salamis is a later battle. Look at the longer version that has 10 parts. Kinda of long though.
Why was the naval battle left out by the way. The battle of thermopylae also included a naval battle where themistocles fought. The naval portion was extremely important as this would allow for the persians to flank the greeks from either their rear or from the sea resulting in a greek defeat much sooner.
This wasnt at all historical. This is based more off of the movie 300 if anything. Not to mention a 2 line deep spartan formation would have gotten crushed. lol
@zaxisdabest: ROFL! Do you live in the bronze age or something?? He used a mod to change the graphics of the regular spartan hoplite or to add a new one.
i really do wish people here would just like or dislike 300 for it being a bad film or a good film. i dont know alot about the spartans, and clearly if i say SOMETHING about them someone will go "u fucking wanker they did this and not that!" but this was a great historical account of this battle.
can you plz tell me what the song was called plz? keep of the great work!
lone spartan and darklord, both of you are somewhat correct. The spartans did, when organized in a phalanx used 30 ft spears, however, thatdidnt come around til about 300 BC and before that the hoplites used 2.5-4 meter spears...
ummm, buddy, every hoplite had about 30ft spears, the real Spartans were hoplites, hence the really long spears. and the professional army of macadone came latter with a reformed army that had even longer spears and heavier armor.
yea dude, i study history for a major in college, and i have studied the Greek's civilization for years, so don't talk to me, and did you call me a muppet you muppet? you and English-men mate? eh??? Oi!!!of course i know who long 30ft is, is LONG!!!!! thats the whole point of a hoplite....don't let the enemy get close enough to you to do damage, thats why hoplites owned so hardcore! damn muppets, think they know things =)
No this is not what happened at thermopylae.. Did you get your facts from the movie 300? The movie based on a graphic novel? Fiction? Yes there was 300 Spartans but historians believe there was also 7,000 Greeks. Also, Leonidas died in the heat of battle and not at the end. And in the film the lighting was too apocolyptic. And when the battle was looking dim Leonidas ordered the greeks to flee while the 300 Spartans stayed and died.
actually it was like 1300 men left on the last day of fight, not 300, it was like 1000/7000 greeks who refused to back off and stay and help the spartans on the day of doom, rest retreated ....actually however strategically well positioned 300 men just cannot hold a line against any quality army,,
and hey to the video poster...where were the immortals on 2nd day, u showed all eastern infantry??
Let me give u the actual numbers of the Greek warriors who stayed and faced certain death.
300 Spartans(but the already dead in the previous days fights) and 700 Thespians, who refused to follow Leonidas orders/guidance(as leader of the Greek "allied" army)and stayed by the Spartans side 2 die 2gether(this was a great honor-2 b accepted 2 fight next 2 Spartans).
As some people mention before. there were not only 300 greeks nor were there 1 million Persians. The telling of the story is based off of Herodotus. (sort of an extremely biased account) He even had the Persian number at 1.7 million. Just wow.
immortal117, you have fallen for a common misconception about Herodotus. He is not blowing up Persian numbers to glorify the Greeks. Infact, what he's saying is the Greeks should have lost! Had Xerxes used a typical Persian army of 600k men, or perhaps even a large army of 800k men, he would have won. But because he used a triple size army, he ran into supply issues, and lost.
You do know most present day analysis have the persian army much smaller then herodotus stated. Logistically 1.7 million men would have been impossible to arrange relying on the supplies available. 1 million would be very, very unlikely(impossible-lol)
I am aware of what modern "historians" think. Well, I think modern "historians" are morons. You are correct that 1.7 million men would be practically impossible, THAT'S WHY XERXES LOST!
Actually modern historians place the number much greater. That of over 2 million men. 2.6 million to be exact. And that's just combatants, double that number for the noncombatants.
No, the greek historian Herodotus said the Persian army was 2.6 million(including euro allies and navy). Common held view is that such an army did not exist and could not exist. This is based off of analyzing of possible resources of the region. Logistically such an army could not exist.
The main historian who argued that such that is George Grote. His main objection is the supply problem, but he doesn't state any measure of supply capability nor did he mention any scientific data on the topic. Herodotus' reports of the Persians' methods of accounting and stockpiling of supply caches for three years. Grote points at the contradictions Herodotus' estimates but doesn't make his own. (Continued)
i wonder if you attack the left wing if it would break easier than if you attack the right wing because the lean to the person next to them shield er vise versa i dont remember
nice quiter accurate, except for the end, where the spartans ran away from the arrows... a spartan would never do that because in spartan law it is considered cowardice to run from the enemy, and being killed from a strike in the back would entail dishonouring your family and the spartan people. The spartan mothers would always say to their children come back holding up your shield or come back on it
Wrong. Any game that cannot be modded to realism is crap. The game "Spartan" by Slitherine, is much better. I was easily able to mod Spartiates to have high enough morale that they never flee from battle. So don't say this is because of "game limitations".
Dont be so fucking mean! He didnt want anything to hurt you! Well... It´s pretty good movie... I just have to give 1 tip... Save the Movie and after play it so you dont have to film when you are playing... Anyway.. Pretty good ;)
what i love about the v formation in rome was when there was a bridge that the enemy had to cross i just had 2 of them stand on the other side. they rush in and you see a line of dead bodies, about half way through i would have the first group take a break and send the other one in. have 3 of swordsmen in the rear in case some ran past trying to escape.
Only 2 Spartans survived, one by hiding between the corpses of his dead comrades and one because their leader had sent him away to deliver a message to the home city. The first was killed when he came home, they thaught he was a traitor, the second fled from Sparta, he committed suicide...
correct me if im wrong, but arent the spartans famous for winning that battle in Thermopylae? cuz they were few in number against millions of persians. this movie shows that sparta lost...?
The Greeks did lose the battle however they won the war. The self sacrifice of the Spartans and Thespians was important because it allowed the main Greek army to escape, they also fulfilled the oracle at Delphi's prophecy which they believed was the only way they could win the war
i don't like Pontus teams... I was playing campaign and they attacked me claiming i didn't know the meaning of peace so i got pissed of and exterminated them all...(i don't know peace and i hate them)
wrong! There was 300 Spartans and 700 Thespians during the battle, the Persians had 250,000 Infantry. They not only used 8 foot spears, they also had swords
Horseshit. HOW are you going to transport all those soldiers with the logistics they had back then?? Doing it TODAY would be next to impossible. HOW are you going to feed them all? WHY would you even need such a enormous army to defeat an enemy which couldn't field a thousand'th part of that number? Not to mention it would extremely expensive to equip such a huge army.
Ancient Greek historians exaggerated their numbers.
where can i get the skin for those spartans?
randomguy453 4 months ago
In the historical version, there were 7,000 greeks I think, not 300. THIS is showing when Leonidas realized his rear guard was being flanked and took 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians, and 400 Thebans to face the flanking Persians in the pass. This was not the MAIN battle of Thermopylae, but more-less the last stand of the Greeks. AND, the Persians were said to have millions, but modern estimates say closer to 300,000 max. Damn the movie 300 is corrupting you all. I'm only 14 and I know this stuff.
MTWfreak 8 months ago
@MTWfreak you know al that stuff? *kuch* wikipedia *kuch* but there actually where onlly 300 spartans (and the other 6000-7000 greeks) in the whole battle of thermoplaye
brammatie2 8 months ago
@brammatie2 Grow up. Everything I say might now be correct but that doesn't mean I used Wiki. There were only 300 SPARTANS, as I said, and also like I said there were about 7,000 Greeks, but if you knew the history, you would know that Leonidas took over 1,000 soldiers to the rear flank to fight off the flanking Persians. The MAIN battle of Thermopylae was not fought in the small pass that is portrayed in the movie or whatever.
MTWfreak 8 months ago
@brammatie2 Like I said I may not be completely correct but don't get on here and tell me what I'm wrong and use Wikipedia.
MTWfreak 8 months ago
two things, one I like how the greek general was the last to die. two, the greeks didn't break phalanx until the third day and didn't sustain significant casualties until the third day.
PresidentDRCI 10 months ago
Did you use RTR??
And if you did do you have a link to download it??
guadch 1 year ago
@ciadude2 True i must agree! you put up a good debate! keep that ablity strong it shall get you places! and my bad about the steel joke! ^^;
mydadknowsprimus 1 year ago
@ciadude2 The Spartans wore Bronze not steel and Spartans were better fighters, more brutal and no protection during training, unlike the Romans who fought safely for fear of losing soldiers and i agree with you mocking him! ^^ lol! and yes Romans were good tacticians but they learned from the Greeks. and i agree they had better weapons and armor, for they had steel.
mydadknowsprimus 1 year ago
@ciadude2 They survived because The Greek Spartans were they ancient worlds greatest warriors. They also had Thespians,Athenians, and other Greek forces. The battle lasted for 3 days and half a million Persians fought the Greeks, plus it was a small cliff side not a open field like that. The Spartans did die in the end thought for they were highly outflanked but to hold for that long! i know naught of how they even attempted this!
mydadknowsprimus 1 year ago
@mydadknowsprimus
omg pls stop writing sh it
it was 25000 persian soldiers and 1000 cavalery vs 8000-10000 greeks (hoplits)
and about 200 spartas .
ad not 100000000000000000000 persians vs 300 read history my frind ;9
Persien91 1 year ago
@Persien91 it's 300 Spartans not 200 . 300 Spartans ( i don't know if leonidas is part of that 300 it it's not then it's a total of 301 )
CrucisJon 11 months ago
Herodotus is the father of the history and none of the todays` historians can reach him. So, stop spreading lies for purpose.
GODDIONYSUS 1 year ago
nice vid but those dont look like Spartans their shields look Athenian
kooolbballer 1 year ago
nm i was wrong
kooolbballer 1 year ago
Why did u give the persians just eastern infantry?! They had a much wider variety of troops including the immortals who were exremely well-trained!
Maxjoshuable 1 year ago
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snipeshade 2 years ago
nice video :) but might i recomend moon river for thermoplyae. it has the secret pass across the water and much narrower and more easy to defend.
KillaifyKing 2 years ago
Leonidas would be insulted by this video...
Sorry for saying that, i just don't like the vid xD
HanatielHawk 2 years ago
dont be sorry. thats fucking right.
angelamogoo 2 years ago
Nice sound...-_-'
Hey but you are using the Rome Total Realism mod, am I right????
And, why are you recording while you play the battle? I suggest moviecam, much better to record!
Anyway, very nice vid!
IPQR 2 years ago 2
hey what mod did you use to get those skins i get a bunch of these mods and skins and not one works. Please help me out dude.
Runescapeguy999 3 years ago
i think he used atg spartan pack i have made a video about it, it has the download link too
Nipotius 2 years ago
Spartans were as good with the long spear as they were with the sword, some one should make the spartans (in RTW ) good with both weapons, once i sieged a city with only spartan hoplites and 1 onager. nice vid . PS im having a problem with my spartans, i've got the official modded skins but when i see my spartans from afar they have the damn red cloak again... and the helmet and stuff...
krazykalash 3 years ago
man for man a spartan soldier could take down any other soldier on the planet
bloodfaceislandman 3 years ago 2
perhaps, but when it came to tactics they were stupid and that's why their kingdom never expanded like say the Romans with their legions
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
in the end infact the spartans own pride was their downfall... only allowing spartans to marry other spartans means years of war depleated their men till there was nothing left, this battle was the highest point, after this there were Helot slave revolts and the Athenes bashed them about the place at sea... so all your ideals about spartans being super soldiers are highly exagreated. However it was an amazing stand in history that will never be forgotten
Alfirien 3 years ago 2
Although I do agree that their pride was their ultimate downfall I still say that they are super soldiers. The Athenians had more numbers but lacked the intense training and mental conditioning that a Spartan had. It's like in 300 when that one Greek saw the Persians and pissed his pants and the Spartan saw him and got happy. The Athenian army and the Spartan army were equally matched and the reason why each fell was because of the civil war that destroyed Greece. Only greeks can kill greeks lol
swordo21 2 years ago
the film of 300 was highly entertaining, however i have read many books, seen different historical documents and television series which tell different stories and account of what happened. At the actual battle it is likely 250,000 troops attacked around 300 spartans and somewhere from 7000-9000 greek allies from surrounding city states... but dont for a second believe that those spartans didnt scream with pain or cry because although history would say other wise... it always happens in war
Alfirien 3 years ago
no way could the Persians have fielded 250,000 troops with the logistics they had at their disposal back then. Try feeding 250,000 troops TODAY and moving them with vehichles and it's next to impossible. Back then it was utterly impossible to mobilize such a huge army.
Most likely the Greek historians exaggerated the number of Persians to make their victory appear more grand.
300 was stupid, like it was some videogame transformed to the movie screen.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
those are cool spartan soldiers where did you get them
weezer345281 3 years ago
'i apologize for in accurate information it was really 301 Spartans (this including Leonidas) and 7000 other Greek soldiers vs Xerxes force invading force of 250,000 '
i apologise for not seeing you in the guiniss book of records recently for being the older man alive.
and i am sorry for not taking a look at the film evidence you got!
LOL!?????!!!
how do you know?
headchopperz 3 years ago
It's hard to comprehend that some people have such misguided beliefs. Get your head out of a freakin video game and actually read a book zomg. And I dont mean your game manual either. Spartan soldiers depicted by their OWN artwork shows the hoplites with a spear, shield, helmet.. and thats IT. Persians numbered around 1 million. That takes into account the full force including Navy and support personnel, but approx. 250k soldiers.
suldadramos 4 years ago
If you think the spartans cared if people saw them bleed youre a fool. But then again you'd also be a fool to take anything in a video game as cannon. Not even the movie "300" was completely historically accurate and they admit as much. If you want to be able to actually write / talk about something you really do know about.. start by reading Herodotus's work. He's the one who originally wrote the account of Thermopylae, Sardinia, and Platea.
suldadramos 4 years ago
300 was pretty freakin far from historically accurate
Xerxes was no black, pierced drag queen with orchs, trolls and ninjas in his army.
Herodotus most likely exaggerated the number of Persians. There's no way in hell they could have logistically moved such a huge army back then. Even today that is next to impossible.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
The truth is that the Spartans from 300 wouldnt acrually dress like that because it shows when a spartan bleeds. and if a spartan bleeds then he must be able to die. that is why they are red cloaked in Rome Total war. This tactic has been used by many great warriors so that the enemy couldnt tell if he would die or not.
TotalWarFan14 4 years ago
I am curious to what the estimated number of people that were ruled in the Achaemenid Empire at the time. Either way the number does not detract from the impressiveness of the victory of the Greek States against the Persian Empire like many seem to suggest.
immortal117 4 years ago
There were 47 ethnic groups in the Persian empire, each population being different, it's possible that many men could be drafted into the army. Not to mention the ethnic groups not within the Persian army, acting as mercenaries. Another important thing to note is the Chinese empires. Considering the ammount of men that could be drafted into their armies, how is it that the Persian empire who's land area was much greater than that of China could not have that many men?
Kisk79 4 years ago
Resources in china(geographic area) were very different then resources in anatolia, levant, in greece. there are lists of historians and scholars who made estimates and most place the army under 250,000(many lower).
immortal117 4 years ago
Yes, however the Achaemenid empire at it's height encompassed more than simply Anatolia and Levant. Stretching across Asia Minor, all the way to India, encompassing much of nothern Greece, including Thrace as well as Macedonia, not including the portions within the fertile area surrounding Egypt and Libya. Not to mention the fertile plains within Mesopotamia within the areas of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. The modern estimates don't even credit the Persians stockpiling of food for 3 years.
Kisk79 4 years ago
the main argument regarding resources was targeted at fresh water supply not neccesarily the food supply. although there are some arguments stating there was enough water in greece if all the irrigation systems were drained which is unlikely. However nobody knows the precise number of men(maybe never will) but many easily reject Herodotus's claim. Even to have 900,000 men would be a great triumph but to have some 5.2 million total men is simply a fairy tale.
immortal117 4 years ago
just lol
Billoni7 4 years ago
Probably one of the worst videos i've seen in a very, very long time.
Shit editing.
Shit models.
The author had no idea what the battle was actually about or how it was fought.
It is very much clear that he just went to see 300, did a quick wikipedia search, was to lazy to read up, and then made a custom battle with 300 spartans and a lot of pontian levy spearmen. Ohh, and the Spartan Hoplites didn't fight in a macedonian phalanx.
Cozur1234 4 years ago
cozur1234 you are absolutely correct this person was playing some damn game (notice in the bottom right corner it says 'game cam') and quoted the movie '300' "1000 nations of the Persian empire descended upon the Spartans at thermopylae" is a direct quote from the synopsis on the back of the DVD case.
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chomponthisbitch5 4 years ago
besides that 300 Spartans is in accurate the numbers were exaggerated for the movie it was really more like 1000 Spartans vs 10000 Persians; and much of the terrain modeling was incorrect. there was not an open field of battle as seen here much of the battle was fought within the hot gates and farther north at Platea.
chomponthisbitch5 4 years ago
i apologize for in accurate information it was really 301 Spartans (this including Leonidas) and 7000 other Greek soldiers vs Xerxes force invading force of 250,000
chomponthisbitch5 4 years ago
"AT LEAST 250,000" Persians, read the history books
WELLCONNECTED1 4 years ago
In the end, Thermopylae accomplished nothing. Ahasaurus burned Athens to the ground. It was an Athenian sailor who saved Thermopylae. Without him, Ahasaurus would have simply sailed around Leonidas' flank. It was the same sailor that held the Greek coalition together and won at Salamis. The Spartans, actually, did very little. Themistocles. Look him up.
reenactor19th 4 years ago
Leonidas killed his own brother, actually, he murdered him. Also, Athens and Sparta were legitimate targets b/c they sponsored the uprising of Ionian Greeks. However, these Greeks had already agreed to be governed by the Persians and it was no business of any of the Greek mainland.
reenactor19th 4 years ago
Thermopylae was an illegal war. It violated Sparta's laws, and was fought in territory that the Spartans had neither rights or permission to fight over. Leonidas fell in love with a Delphic prediction that a king would fall if Sparta was to win.
reenactor19th 4 years ago
IDK if Xerxes could actually provide the money to upkeep his army AND keep his supply lines from being cut if he tried to conquer all of europe.
ghostrecon1234567 4 years ago
WHY would Xerxes want to conquer all of Europe back then? Continental Europe was barely out of the Bronze age and there was next to no riches or trade with the barbarians of the major part of Europe. The important cultures were all around the Mediterrean sea, and these didn't give a damn about the barbarians of the North. It wasn't an interesting or important part of the world back then. This is why Alexander the Great never bothered invading those parts, since there was nothing worth taking
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
the brave greeks how sacrifised there lives, rallied all the greeks and defeated the persians and had pushed them back. IF THIS DID NOT HAPPEN the persians might have had other plans... ivading europe and at this time all other people were not strong anoth to fight back.
Leonidasisawsome 4 years ago
yeah, but the ancient Persians were a highly advanced and civilized culture back then so it's likely we would never have seen neither Christianity nor Islam in that scenario. btw, back then continental Europe was very uninteresting to the Persians and all the other Mediterrean civilizations, since there were no riches and only barbarians living there. Just remember the ancient Persians were aryans.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
could escape , were 300 spartans and very little people know of this are 1000 Pelopenise hoplites held with the spartans. all the greeks died taking alltogether 25000 persians with them.
Leonidasisawsome 4 years ago
Big mastake as persia fond the secret pass and were gonna surround the 7000 greeks. 5300 GREEKS LEFT IN FEAR OF FALLING AND DIEING TO THE PERSIANS, ALSO GREECE COULD SACRAFICE not HERE SOLDIERS, so the remaining men at thernopolea how would certainly die so the other 5300 greeks were..
Leonidasisawsome 4 years ago
ON THE FIRST DAY 7000 GREEKS including 300 Spartans held thernopolea, while the athenian fleet held salamis to stop the persians surrounding the 7000 greeks, day 2 same thing happened. day 3, 4000 greeks positioned in a secret pass left it in fear of the city being attacked by persians.
Leonidasisawsome 4 years ago
According 2 more recent researches and studies of Herodotus the xerxes army, was indeed around 1 mil, but support services included.
The actual warriors believed 2 b around 600000.
Still this is an enormous number compared 2 the 7000 the greeks had summoned at the "Hot Gates"
DarkLordGR9 4 years ago
So your trying to say that all of persia would be levied into a million man army? Your kidding right?
ghostrecon1234567 4 years ago
Its eggsageration but those 300 spartans possibly saved all of europe.
Leonidasisawsome 4 years ago
nope, because Europe wasn't even interesting to the Persians back then. Just remember that at the time of the ancient Greek civilizations the rest of Europe was barely out of the Bronze age and didn't have neither natural riches nor trade worth any form of invasion. Most continental Europeans were living in tribe like villages.
A lot of the knowledge Greeks had they did get from the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians via the Persians who preserved this knowledge.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
Charles Martel who defeated the muslim army in Tours in 732AD was a far more important battle for saving Europe. Also the failed seige of Vienna by the Ottoman turks was also important.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
Wich Rome game is this from? I'm buying this game for sure!
SDChargersfan 4 years ago
Rome total War
ochind 4 years ago
Yeah but this is nothing like my Rome Total War. Ain't the same Spartans as in mine.
SDChargersfan 4 years ago
I dont think pretty much all of Persia was in the military thus ruling out any army with million men.Also there was more than just Spartans at Thermopylae , there was other Greeks from the city-states there too.
ghostrecon1234567 4 years ago
Ofcourse Persia didn't have a multi-million man STANDING ARMY. But haven't you ever heard of Levies? When you calculate all the facts, it is completely within reason that Xerxes has nearly 2 million men as Herodotus wrote.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
It is not within reason, logistically such an army could not have been created with the supplies available. Modern historians seem to all agree on that aspect.
immortal117 4 years ago
As I said, modern "historians" are mostly idiots. Again, it is BECAUSE of these difficulties that Persia lost. Had Xerxes used an army he was able to support, he would have won. Because he used 1.7 million men, he lost.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
Your right.
Leonidasisawsome 4 years ago
That was so cool man! I recognized the improvements right away! Great Job!
InnerLock 4 years ago
You know, the battle of Thermopylae happened over 2000 years ago, nobody knows exactly how it went, how many persians there were, etc. What we do know is that there was a smaller force of greeks against a larger force of persians and they used the narrow pass at Thermopylae to their advantage. So quit arguing all you know-it-alls.
TheDude72727 4 years ago
Correction. 2487 years ago exactly.
PhilipineMan 4 years ago
opps wrong youtube video lol. Same comment applies though just dont pay attention to me talking about the documentaries. Great Job on this video.
immortal117 4 years ago
No that is not what I am referring to. I am talking about the battle of Artemisium. The other documentary is longer and more recent. Youtube Last Stand of the 300.
Battle of Salamis is a later battle. Look at the longer version that has 10 parts. Kinda of long though.
immortal117 4 years ago
Why was the naval battle left out by the way. The battle of thermopylae also included a naval battle where themistocles fought. The naval portion was extremely important as this would allow for the persians to flank the greeks from either their rear or from the sea resulting in a greek defeat much sooner.
immortal117 4 years ago
The Naval battle was the battle of Salamis.
PhilipineMan 4 years ago
Salamis came later. Were it not for Themistokles' fleet, the Persians could have simply sailed troops behind the Greeks at Thermopylai.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
I know.
Themistocles's was the main mastermind about the Thermopylae stand.
PhilipineMan 4 years ago
This wasnt at all historical. This is based more off of the movie 300 if anything. Not to mention a 2 line deep spartan formation would have gotten crushed. lol
immortal117 4 years ago
Lol ... he used the track from "Troya"s fighting scene of Achilles and Hector.
Galenin 4 years ago
300 IS a great film, and so are the pc sega's of total war, can't wait for kingdoms laa dee da laa dee da
grundu 4 years ago
this one ent rome total war cus ive got that one and u dont get spartans like that on this one
zaxisdabest 4 years ago
@zaxisdabest: ROFL! Do you live in the bronze age or something?? He used a mod to change the graphics of the regular spartan hoplite or to add a new one.
Druzhina89 4 years ago
Which total war is this?pls tell me
loladin14 4 years ago
Dude pontus ain't persia there just another middle eastern asian faction. you'd want the purple guys amn
xXjord932003Xx 4 years ago
that would be parthia, not that it matters much, ALL eastern infantry sux balls big time and serve as killing practise for all kinds of units
Wallalaahh 4 years ago
so.. many.. spelling.. and.. grammar.. errors!
lagom242 4 years ago
i really do wish people here would just like or dislike 300 for it being a bad film or a good film. i dont know alot about the spartans, and clearly if i say SOMETHING about them someone will go "u fucking wanker they did this and not that!" but this was a great historical account of this battle.
can you plz tell me what the song was called plz? keep of the great work!
GeneralRevan501 4 years ago
molon labe
h tan epi tas
btw the makedonian amry was so good because alexander the great use combined troops.
Phalanx,light invantry and havy and light cavellery.
only a phalanx formation is not good,this is why the roman empire won easy against the greeks
paokara4ever 4 years ago
And because Alexanders phalanax made use of LONGER spears than the rest of the greek states!
aliashenke 4 years ago
Longer spears alone couldn't have beaten Persia, though. paokara4ever is correct.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
lone spartan and darklord, both of you are somewhat correct. The spartans did, when organized in a phalanx used 30 ft spears, however, thatdidnt come around til about 300 BC and before that the hoplites used 2.5-4 meter spears...
adivinity 4 years ago
nice skin skin for the spartans but not liking them wiv tiny measly shields and super long pikes that the macedonions had not the hoplites of greece
Ellis307 4 years ago
ummm, buddy, every hoplite had about 30ft spears, the real Spartans were hoplites, hence the really long spears. and the professional army of macadone came latter with a reformed army that had even longer spears and heavier armor.
lonespartan31289 4 years ago
Average lenght of that eras lance(not spear)was approximately 10 ft=3 meters!
Period!
DarkLordGR9 4 years ago
ur talking bull mate i think i know more about it than
do u realise how long 30ft is
muppet
Ellis307 4 years ago
yea dude, i study history for a major in college, and i have studied the Greek's civilization for years, so don't talk to me, and did you call me a muppet you muppet? you and English-men mate? eh??? Oi!!!of course i know who long 30ft is, is LONG!!!!! thats the whole point of a hoplite....don't let the enemy get close enough to you to do damage, thats why hoplites owned so hardcore! damn muppets, think they know things =)
lonespartan31289 4 years ago
Wrong. Typical hoplite spear was roughly 10 ft. long. Spartans used shorter 8 ft. spears. Makedonians has very long 12 ft. Sarrisai.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
what location is thsi fougt at on the game?
chenook 4 years ago
Spartans with sarisses???, mmm.
underhellcat 4 years ago
to bad
Fangornmmc 4 years ago
persians really did have light blue jump suits, its TRUE! :D
touchedbyastranger 4 years ago
pretty good. exept thats not a lot of persians. my 300 could easily defeat them. my spartans have not lost once.
XCBCProductionsX 4 years ago
tat music at 1:06 is from Troy movie right?
wangjosh3000 4 years ago
how did you get this mod
blazeblud 4 years ago
this is exactly what happened at the battle of thermopylae. this is even better than 300.
swisseins 4 years ago
No this is not what happened at thermopylae.. Did you get your facts from the movie 300? The movie based on a graphic novel? Fiction? Yes there was 300 Spartans but historians believe there was also 7,000 Greeks. Also, Leonidas died in the heat of battle and not at the end. And in the film the lighting was too apocolyptic. And when the battle was looking dim Leonidas ordered the greeks to flee while the 300 Spartans stayed and died.
beebogroll 4 years ago
actually it was like 1300 men left on the last day of fight, not 300, it was like 1000/7000 greeks who refused to back off and stay and help the spartans on the day of doom, rest retreated ....actually however strategically well positioned 300 men just cannot hold a line against any quality army,,
and hey to the video poster...where were the immortals on 2nd day, u showed all eastern infantry??
sushanalone 4 years ago
Let me give u the actual numbers of the Greek warriors who stayed and faced certain death.
300 Spartans(but the already dead in the previous days fights) and 700 Thespians, who refused to follow Leonidas orders/guidance(as leader of the Greek "allied" army)and stayed by the Spartans side 2 die 2gether(this was a great honor-2 b accepted 2 fight next 2 Spartans).
DarkLordGR9 4 years ago
No... 7,000 Warriors from the Greek City-States not 700 Thespians.. You got that from 300 aswell..
beebogroll 4 years ago
Dude, allow me 2 know just a bit more about MY HISTORY!
And don't get confused because of the numbers!
7000 was the total number of the greek allied army gathered at Thermopylae, but...
At the final battle, along with the 300 Spartans ,stayed and fought 2 the end 700 Thespians!
That is as certain as you having 2 hands and not three!
DarkLordGR9 4 years ago
Okay um what spartan mod is that?
kyledudeman9 4 years ago
Not flee dude, retreat!
There's a difference!
DarkLordGR9 4 years ago
As some people mention before. there were not only 300 greeks nor were there 1 million Persians. The telling of the story is based off of Herodotus. (sort of an extremely biased account) He even had the Persian number at 1.7 million. Just wow.
immortal117 4 years ago
immortal117, you have fallen for a common misconception about Herodotus. He is not blowing up Persian numbers to glorify the Greeks. Infact, what he's saying is the Greeks should have lost! Had Xerxes used a typical Persian army of 600k men, or perhaps even a large army of 800k men, he would have won. But because he used a triple size army, he ran into supply issues, and lost.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
You do know most present day analysis have the persian army much smaller then herodotus stated. Logistically 1.7 million men would have been impossible to arrange relying on the supplies available. 1 million would be very, very unlikely(impossible-lol)
immortal117 4 years ago
I am aware of what modern "historians" think. Well, I think modern "historians" are morons. You are correct that 1.7 million men would be practically impossible, THAT'S WHY XERXES LOST!
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
You expect us to believe that YOU know more than every modern historian?? Now who's the moron...
georgecziffra 4 years ago
Actually modern historians place the number much greater. That of over 2 million men. 2.6 million to be exact. And that's just combatants, double that number for the noncombatants.
Kisk79 4 years ago
No, the greek historian Herodotus said the Persian army was 2.6 million(including euro allies and navy). Common held view is that such an army did not exist and could not exist. This is based off of analyzing of possible resources of the region. Logistically such an army could not exist.
immortal117 4 years ago
The main historian who argued that such that is George Grote. His main objection is the supply problem, but he doesn't state any measure of supply capability nor did he mention any scientific data on the topic. Herodotus' reports of the Persians' methods of accounting and stockpiling of supply caches for three years. Grote points at the contradictions Herodotus' estimates but doesn't make his own. (Continued)
Kisk79 4 years ago
Nothing proves that!
Just arbritrary assumptions.
DarkLordGR9 4 years ago
The same can be said of those who claim a mere 100,000 or less for Persia.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
please visit w.w.w.nanoproductions.piczo.c.o.m
physics91 4 years ago
i wonder if you attack the left wing if it would break easier than if you attack the right wing because the lean to the person next to them shield er vise versa i dont remember
Chris54540 4 years ago
thats cool... great graphics... we are learning about this battle in school, and i thought it was interesting. great job!
muffinsandpancakes95 4 years ago
nice quiter accurate, except for the end, where the spartans ran away from the arrows... a spartan would never do that because in spartan law it is considered cowardice to run from the enemy, and being killed from a strike in the back would entail dishonouring your family and the spartan people. The spartan mothers would always say to their children come back holding up your shield or come back on it
Tino13 4 years ago
Dude, its a game! It has limitations, they are programmed, every unit is, at one point to route if they are demoralized enough.
MobiusCoin 4 years ago
Wrong. Any game that cannot be modded to realism is crap. The game "Spartan" by Slitherine, is much better. I was easily able to mod Spartiates to have high enough morale that they never flee from battle. So don't say this is because of "game limitations".
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
gr8 skins on the spartans!
Ellis307 4 years ago
i got a whole new map were guy's try to jump over the enemy line
and were there are 500 guys per unit
made my computer only qaurter percent lower but
still good
PhilipineMan 4 years ago
wow that mod made my computer go slow VERY SLOW now i can never play Rome total war again! :(
Spartanz1170 4 years ago
sparta may live to kill more immortals in my videos all hail sparta!!! hooo!!! hooo!!!
SPART0N 4 years ago
yeah i agree this is pretty good i gave it 5 star
roman181 4 years ago
Dont be so fucking mean! He didnt want anything to hurt you! Well... It´s pretty good movie... I just have to give 1 tip... Save the Movie and after play it so you dont have to film when you are playing... Anyway.. Pretty good ;)
Morran09 4 years ago
where is the water? they fought on the beach...
Dhomen 4 years ago
lol evry 1 can win this ur suck
jomen666 4 years ago
isnt dat the music from troy?
DCCshadow 4 years ago
Well, you can't really remake the battle in Rome Total War because of lack of different terrain, but great job though.
EliteCloneTrooper 4 years ago
what i love about the v formation in rome was when there was a bridge that the enemy had to cross i just had 2 of them stand on the other side. they rush in and you see a line of dead bodies, about half way through i would have the first group take a break and send the other one in. have 3 of swordsmen in the rear in case some ran past trying to escape.
rsbandbj1j2j3 4 years ago
not bad
EGRYFBDJBXJSBBB 4 years ago
At least we no wat really happenend unlike the morons who saw 300, and think they learned something
24thRegtSWB 4 years ago
ha ha true, true
muffinsandpancakes95 4 years ago
How do you spell "their" ?
gnow200 4 years ago
Only 2 Spartans survived, one by hiding between the corpses of his dead comrades and one because their leader had sent him away to deliver a message to the home city. The first was killed when he came home, they thaught he was a traitor, the second fled from Sparta, he committed suicide...
Mathijsken91 4 years ago
Actually one committed suicide, the other redeemed himself in battle
TheDaddy1974 4 years ago
Correction on the second one. He tried to redeem himself, but his valour at Plataia was considered "foolhardiness" by his brethren.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
Lern to spell
friendlies 4 years ago
Thanks For the comments and ratings, keep them coming!!!
physics91 4 years ago
damn you to hades Ephialtes!!!! snitch!!
lol spartans would've won if it wasnt for him
or at least wouldve killed a lot more....
SPART0N 4 years ago
Did u no his name translated is Nightmare
24thRegtSWB 4 years ago
there were 7,000 in all most of the pansies retreated and 700 thespians along with 300 spartans stayed to fight to the death
Redeemer029 4 years ago
how did get thoses units?
Cnguyen300 4 years ago
ephialtes is my hero
immortal4942 4 years ago
correct me if im wrong, but arent the spartans famous for winning that battle in Thermopylae? cuz they were few in number against millions of persians. this movie shows that sparta lost...?
Munaus 4 years ago
The Spartans killed 20,000 persians before they were all killed because of the traitor Ephialtes.
physics91 4 years ago
The Greeks did lose the battle however they won the war. The self sacrifice of the Spartans and Thespians was important because it allowed the main Greek army to escape, they also fulfilled the oracle at Delphi's prophecy which they believed was the only way they could win the war
TheDaddy1974 4 years ago
pretty good job alot of historical errors and stuff but entertaining
isnt the music from troy when achillese killed hector
WOLFMUTTPICS 4 years ago
ephialtes burn in hell
punjabikid2007 4 years ago
holy turd burgers. thats alot of infantry. whats the most you can get?
STEVEEBEE 4 years ago
very good work
30621 4 years ago
how did u get the spartans to look like that?
SPART0N 4 years ago
i don't like Pontus teams... I was playing campaign and they attacked me claiming i didn't know the meaning of peace so i got pissed of and exterminated them all...(i don't know peace and i hate them)
6Cookie9 4 years ago
first off spartans didnt use pikes but 8ft long spears and secondly they were equally numbered as they fought in a narrow pass.
immortal4942 4 years ago
wrong! There was 300 Spartans and 700 Thespians during the battle, the Persians had 250,000 Infantry. They not only used 8 foot spears, they also had swords
jackyseto 4 years ago
The Spartans and Thespians fought till the death, however there were in fact over 6000 Greek troops at the battle
TheDaddy1974 4 years ago
5,000 Hellenes from Sparta, Thespiae, Tegea, Korinthos, Phokis, Lokris, and other cities. 1,700,000 soldiers for Persia.
yeahbuddy2 4 years ago
Horseshit. HOW are you going to transport all those soldiers with the logistics they had back then?? Doing it TODAY would be next to impossible. HOW are you going to feed them all? WHY would you even need such a enormous army to defeat an enemy which couldn't field a thousand'th part of that number? Not to mention it would extremely expensive to equip such a huge army.
Ancient Greek historians exaggerated their numbers.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
@McLarenMercedes Good job trying to bend and manipulate history for your own personal criteria.
colorblindvids 1 year ago
how do you get the spartans like that i got the thing
ceaserthewarrior 4 years ago