When a group has been driven out of several states, the men and boys killed, and it at least one state (Missouri) it be formally legalized (The Extermination Order), it kind of makes sense for a man on the frontier to take in other women rather than they having to fend for themselves in the desert. When it was no longer vital for survival it could be safely abolished.
There are still fringe groups calling themselves Mormon who do fairly raise the mistress question though.
Me being a Mormon, I can accuratly say that the church is actually against polygamy. I know that sounds wierd, but the early saints were told to marry multiple women in order to raise a people, also that a lot of men died in the early church. So polygamy was a way to make sure the women were not alone.
I think Polygamy could be something beautiful entirely, if it wasn't for it being very rare. For example 3 people who all three love one another, instead of it becoming 1 person loving two others, and the two others accepting one another to be with the first person (Harems). Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying I find it distasteful when people misuse the word for sexual deviation or excuse for infidelity. There is bad in each idea of love, and often due to someone misusing it for own gain.
I honestly do not see the intrinsic harm in polygamy. I can see why it doesn't float everyone's boat - love IS jealous - but I don't see why it is banned.
My friends who's from Africa was in a poliomyelitis family/couple and she hated it because she never had a dad. So now to this day she hates her dad and the other mother with kids. Gay marriage is MUCH more reasonable for the child.
Marriage is only a legal contract. It is not illegal to have a private ceremony and then live together with lots of people. It is only illegal to make several contracts.
Polygamy's only a major issue due to romantic love. Until a couple of centuries ago, it was an economic arrangement. Churches made funny rules in the 13th century, but it was still an arrangement.
Polygamy is illegal for insurance and inheritance reasons. Things could get complicated if a man had two wives, and one of those wives had three husbands, and two of those husbands also had three wives, who also may have had multiple husbands... It just makes tracing the family too crazy.
But in theory, it shouldn't be criminal to LOVE whomever you want, as long as you're all consenting adults. But insurance and inheritance would need to be nailed down carefully.
In a polygamous society a small number of powerful men tend to monopolyse the majority of fertile women. Hence, a shortage of young available women. That creates a volatile society with a large number of poor, frustrated young men kicked out of the mating system. They are constantly driven to compete fiercely over women. I'm sure our ancestors have been through all that experiment and seen how terrible and dangerous and ultimately unproductive it was for a community.
If polygamy is done in small numbers, i.e. 3 consenting adults who love each other, FFM or MMF, is it immoral? Housing is expensive these days. Three incomes would make housing affordable and allow for some otherwise unaffordable extras. And lots of women have children from multiple partners. Why not legitimize it?
he asks why we think it's such a horrible thing like incest.
why do we think incest is such a horrible thing? now sure, inbreeding is quite harmful, but sex and even a relationship could work fine. adopt when you want a kid and then where's the harm?
Oh wow, American government can say "you can believe what you like but you can't DO what you like" to mormos, but can't say the same to muslims? Why not tell them "you can believe you can wear those silly outfits, but you can't DO that".
@PollyJuice you mean in the US? Of course, but I was not talking about marriage, I was talking about the way they dress, especially the women. Why can't the government of the US tell them that they can believe what they want, but they cannot put these black outfits, whatever the name is, on their women so you can only see their eyes.
Okay here's the thing about polygamy: The catholic church has the crusades and the spanish inquisition, I think I'll still take polygamy over any of those things.
legally it would be an absolute nightmare to resolve any difficulties that arrive in multiple-person marriages. it's not the morality of it, it's that not enough people want it (i.e. pretty much nobody) to justify a legislation change, at least in the UK. how would taxes and joint bank accounts and housing work? it's better just to let the people who practice it practice it, as long as they arent harming anyone.
why is polygamy illegal?? Why is it the govt's business to regulate who marries who and how many? It seems like a huge invasion of privacy and freedom to practice one's religion. I mean, if consenting adults are consenting(and not coerced) then bugger off govt!!!
@BeigeFunk agreed. just to give the benefit of the doubt, though, perhaps there are legal reasons why it is discouraged: i.e. tax complications, insurance, etc.
@BeigeFunk When Christianity still held a huge hold over local governments the practice was outlawed at the state level by everyone. That's the reason that Utah was denied permission to enter the US. The federal Govt. wanted the large number of Mormons there to denounce polygamy because of immense pressure by the states before it could join.
@BeigeFunk If consenting adults give their "consent" because religion told them to....then there's no free will in that, many mormon or muslim women gave their "consent" not because they liked the fact that their husbands had many wives, but because they thought that God gave him the right to....
Consent given out of ignorance and uneducation isn't valid...
@Ryoushadow Well, if Polygamy is to be legalised, then it should encompass both Plyandry and Polygyny, because in that case, I don't see why Women shouldn't have the right to have multiple husbands too...The same logic applies
and religiously-condoned polygamy should be outlawed because the "consent" given is biased by religious brainwash
Whole sections of Marital and Family law would have to be amended
In any case, having multiple partners isn't forbidden, but marrying more than one is...
@BeigeFunk Because it famously objectifies women and leads to a lot of arranged marriages and people giving their daughters away to improve relations with other families. All things that are rightfully becoming more and more absent in western society.
@SBFloppie Thats the point and the problem with holy books, you can interpret them to say just about whatever you want at the time you want, for whatever reason you want. Not forgetting the direct contradictions in many parts of both the books you brought up.
@BeigeFunk Because of all the benefits the legal status of marriage provides. Obviously the government can't tell people not to LIVE together, or have polyamorous relationships, but because of the legal and technical benefits that come with being legally married, that most definitely IS the government's business.
@BeigeFunk Because marriage is a lawful contract, and Gov't can intervene in matters of law. I'm not saying its right that they do, don't get me wrong. I agree that since it is a choice and people don't get hurt by it, then it should be legal.
@BeigeFunk Because of the polygamist communities that screw up lives. The men need multiple wives, so most of the young boys get cast out on their own and abandoned. The girls get married off when they're way too young, and have kids when they're 13. People are stupid, and the government has a difficult time prosecuting people for brainwashing their kids into thinking this is ok, but they can get away with outlawing the entire practice.
@BeigeFunk I think the dad giving the daughter away at 12 to a church leader for political gain was the biggest problem there... When the kids are so brainwashed their ears smell of chlorox it's hard to define consent. Freedom of religion should not be a cart blanch to do whatever you want cuz god told you it was OK to rape children.
@BeigeFunk Many reasons actually. For one, children born in polygamous households tend to have lower quality of lives due to the lack of a strong fatherly presence (especially since the masculine member of the household has to spread his time across all his different sub-families). Lack of money and resources to care for every member of the family (which can be many in these cases) can also be another problem. It is a matter of rights, mostly. Children and wives have reduced rights.
@BeigeFunk because humans are produced in 1:1 ratio(actually there are slightly more men than women(biologically that is, ignoring sex selective abortion)), in these polygamous communities a great many boys and young men are thrown out simply so that the elders can marry the girls and keep a sex ratio they like. Is that moral?
@BeigeFunk I am not an expert but I believe that gov'nt got involved when reports started showing up about girls as young as 13-15 being married to men as old as 40-45, and the men haveing more than one of these girls. this, though legal, seems, to most, to be wrong. if polugamy worked the way Sephan sugests it would be great... but to often it doesn't work out that way.
@BeigeFunk Unlike previous claims about gay marriage, polygamy actually is bad for the children. It makes one family hate the other and the children rarely see their father. Now if it's in the same house, that's a different story.
@BeigeFunk i probabably has something to do with when tax benifits get in the picture.. If everyone could marry everyone and pay less i guess that would be quite weird. Im not sure though, just a thought that that might be a problem. Otherwise its fine by me to have as many husbands or wives as you want.
@BeigeFunk It causes all manner of fuckery with taxes. It's one thing if it's meerly a spiritual matter, but then the man is only legally married to the first wife, so the subsequent wives all receive state funds because legally, they are unwed mothers. Mormon sects in Utah are infamous for having bilked millions out of the state by doing this, knowingly and with the intention of screwing over the government.
@GiratinaofFury many seems like a relative term. If I'm told I'm going to have 20 heartbeats before I die, that's not many. But if I'm told I'm going to have 20 cars, that seems like many.
Mormons used to use polygamy to give each other under aged daughters eg man 1 "I will give you my daughter for your daughter" etc. It was used to cover up what would be called pedophillia.
I agree, the problem is that if it became a tradtition it would become forced, but if people were not taught to be born to be in two's, I think there will voluntarily become polygamous relationship, people would have to figure out for themselves how they wanted to have relationships, this would also encourage homosexual relations too. so many different relations that I haven't even heard of but psychologists on this field probably can name many.
well you mormons know damn well there are some--granted they are not accepted by the mormon church and are essentially their own sect---that still do this and do it openly.
Females in polygamous relationships tend to be raised in closed groups and isolated from the mainstream of society. To leave means abandoning their family and all the people they have ever known. Not an easy thing to do, especially with little knowledge of the outside world. In Muslim societies they would also have to abandon their religion and country and possibly face the horror of a family honor killing.
@binaway Do you think there are females or males willing to enter polygamous relationship? I think it hasn't been tried yet within our narrow mindsets, within our current society like Stephen is saying, but if it were to become a tradition and in groups, if granted full acceptance. Of course it would change modern-present society values, for the worse, I don't know, but I wouldn't think so. We are probably too scared to try, scared by femminists. Why do people think we were born to be in two's?
@mich56a I agree people, usually female, do willingly enter such arrangement's. Mormon sects in Utah abandon boys as young as 13 at the side of highways, simple maths 1man 20 wives=19 men no wives. Wives can be assigned to other men found more worthy if they upset their leader, contrary to the wishes of the wives. Muslim laws allow men to divorce wives very easily but females find it very hard even after years of abuse. How often do we here of young 13YO Muslim girls forced to marry old men.
@binaway Do you think there are females or males willing to enter polygamous relationship? I think it hasn't been tried yet within our narrow mindsets, within our current society like Stephen is saying, but if it were to become a tradition and in groups, if granted full acceptance. It would change modern-present society values, for the worse, I don't know, but I wouldn't think so. We are probably too scared to try, scared by feminists or atheists. Why do people think we were born to be in two's?
Possibly face an honor killing? Do you understand that Islam considers apostasy to be the single worst sin it is possible to commit? It is the only sin for which you cannot be forgiven, and if your family doesn't kill you for saying that you aren't Muslim then they would be guilty as well. For a Muslim to renounce their faith is almost as sure a way to commit suicide as jumping off the Eiffel Tower. Religion of peace my ass.
Well, there are still some smaller Mormon sects that practice polygamy, so this isn't 100% accurate, though it's true (to my understanding) that the Mormon church as a whole has abandoned the practice. It's a cause of great divisiveness within those certain segments, as I understand it.
@tankgirl73 It's actually the reason that Utah wasn't accepted as a state for so long. The social stigma against polygamy was so strong that no one would risk their political careers by supporting them.
@tankgirl73 Ya the people who still practised it were told to leave the church but they just set up their own little religion and still take the Mormon name but they have nothing to do with the real Morman church. Thats were the confusion comes in.
@chickflickaddict91 It depends on what your definition of 'Mormonism' is. If only those who are members of the Mormon Church (Church of Jesus Christ of LDS) are 'real Mormons', it's right that only one wife is permitted. However, there are groups who are part of the LDS movement, that permit polygamy. How are they part of the LDS movement? They see Joseph Smith as their prophet and regard the Book of Mormon as holy scripture comprable to the Bible.
@5Delano Why would I trust you? Lying about your faith is standard practice for Mormons. You want everyone to think you're Christians when you're really a Joseph Smith personality cult.
Bill has a point there, christmas dinner, "By the way honey, I love you, but I also love Sarah so how about I marry both of you? You can count it as a christmas present if you like" Yes I realise the implication here is in extremely bad taste but hey lifes to short to be tasteful all the time.
When a group has been driven out of several states, the men and boys killed, and it at least one state (Missouri) it be formally legalized (The Extermination Order), it kind of makes sense for a man on the frontier to take in other women rather than they having to fend for themselves in the desert. When it was no longer vital for survival it could be safely abolished.
There are still fringe groups calling themselves Mormon who do fairly raise the mistress question though.
osco4311 5 days ago
Me being a Mormon, I can accuratly say that the church is actually against polygamy. I know that sounds wierd, but the early saints were told to marry multiple women in order to raise a people, also that a lot of men died in the early church. So polygamy was a way to make sure the women were not alone.
5Delano 2 weeks ago 3
I think Polygamy could be something beautiful entirely, if it wasn't for it being very rare. For example 3 people who all three love one another, instead of it becoming 1 person loving two others, and the two others accepting one another to be with the first person (Harems). Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying I find it distasteful when people misuse the word for sexual deviation or excuse for infidelity. There is bad in each idea of love, and often due to someone misusing it for own gain.
Dalladon 2 months ago
I honestly do not see the intrinsic harm in polygamy. I can see why it doesn't float everyone's boat - love IS jealous - but I don't see why it is banned.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 2 months ago
The real reason polygamy is hardly practiced by Mormons is that Mrs. Smith didn't let that shit fly after her husband died.
playthecard22 2 months ago
My friends who's from Africa was in a poliomyelitis family/couple and she hated it because she never had a dad. So now to this day she hates her dad and the other mother with kids. Gay marriage is MUCH more reasonable for the child.
WakingLife55 3 months ago
Marriage is only a legal contract. It is not illegal to have a private ceremony and then live together with lots of people. It is only illegal to make several contracts.
Hedning1390 3 months ago
Polygamy's only a major issue due to romantic love. Until a couple of centuries ago, it was an economic arrangement. Churches made funny rules in the 13th century, but it was still an arrangement.
TallDwarf8472 3 months ago
Polygamy is illegal for insurance and inheritance reasons. Things could get complicated if a man had two wives, and one of those wives had three husbands, and two of those husbands also had three wives, who also may have had multiple husbands... It just makes tracing the family too crazy.
But in theory, it shouldn't be criminal to LOVE whomever you want, as long as you're all consenting adults. But insurance and inheritance would need to be nailed down carefully.
Crunchy68 3 months ago
I think this ones the best QI episode.
tomharding 4 months ago
too bad realy that everyone is too old to have made the: IT'S OVER 9000!
joke. i can see allan doing that :P
PyroclasticMind 4 months ago
In a polygamous society a small number of powerful men tend to monopolyse the majority of fertile women. Hence, a shortage of young available women. That creates a volatile society with a large number of poor, frustrated young men kicked out of the mating system. They are constantly driven to compete fiercely over women. I'm sure our ancestors have been through all that experiment and seen how terrible and dangerous and ultimately unproductive it was for a community.
tairanotomomori 4 months ago
Pointless fact: Did you know the guy who created Wonder Woman lived with 2 women?
By all accounts the 3 of them were very happy... Mind you, he was a weird fucker anyway.
preacherZer0 5 months ago
If polygamy is done in small numbers, i.e. 3 consenting adults who love each other, FFM or MMF, is it immoral? Housing is expensive these days. Three incomes would make housing affordable and allow for some otherwise unaffordable extras. And lots of women have children from multiple partners. Why not legitimize it?
ChipArgyle 5 months ago
he asks why we think it's such a horrible thing like incest.
why do we think incest is such a horrible thing? now sure, inbreeding is quite harmful, but sex and even a relationship could work fine. adopt when you want a kid and then where's the harm?
waldoman7 5 months ago
And what does Dr. Who think of Polygamy?
JXAChambers 6 months ago
Oh wow, American government can say "you can believe what you like but you can't DO what you like" to mormos, but can't say the same to muslims? Why not tell them "you can believe you can wear those silly outfits, but you can't DO that".
MaximPodolsky 6 months ago
@MaximPodolsky because telling people what they can and can't do up to the point that you're telling them how to dress is terrifyingly totalitarian.
masochisticmuppet 6 months ago
@masochisticmuppet and who decides where to draw the line?
MaximPodolsky 6 months ago
@MaximPodolsky
I do believe that muslims can't marry more than one wife either, just like the mormons...
PollyJuice 5 months ago
@PollyJuice you mean in the US? Of course, but I was not talking about marriage, I was talking about the way they dress, especially the women. Why can't the government of the US tell them that they can believe what they want, but they cannot put these black outfits, whatever the name is, on their women so you can only see their eyes.
MaximPodolsky 5 months ago
Okay here's the thing about polygamy: The catholic church has the crusades and the spanish inquisition, I think I'll still take polygamy over any of those things.
1975Zantar 7 months ago
now I understand why they oppose same-sex marriage
MamaMario13 7 months ago
legally it would be an absolute nightmare to resolve any difficulties that arrive in multiple-person marriages. it's not the morality of it, it's that not enough people want it (i.e. pretty much nobody) to justify a legislation change, at least in the UK. how would taxes and joint bank accounts and housing work? it's better just to let the people who practice it practice it, as long as they arent harming anyone.
BS4Tactful 7 months ago
A Suffusion of Yellow.
MartinJWillett 8 months ago
why is polygamy illegal?? Why is it the govt's business to regulate who marries who and how many? It seems like a huge invasion of privacy and freedom to practice one's religion. I mean, if consenting adults are consenting(and not coerced) then bugger off govt!!!
BeigeFunk 8 months ago 48
@BeigeFunk agreed. just to give the benefit of the doubt, though, perhaps there are legal reasons why it is discouraged: i.e. tax complications, insurance, etc.
bossmonkeykj 8 months ago
@BeigeFunk Because someone's imaginary friend said so once.
mrmootheirrev 8 months ago
@BeigeFunk When Christianity still held a huge hold over local governments the practice was outlawed at the state level by everyone. That's the reason that Utah was denied permission to enter the US. The federal Govt. wanted the large number of Mormons there to denounce polygamy because of immense pressure by the states before it could join.
downedcoyote1 7 months ago
@BeigeFunk If consenting adults give their "consent" because religion told them to....then there's no free will in that, many mormon or muslim women gave their "consent" not because they liked the fact that their husbands had many wives, but because they thought that God gave him the right to....
Consent given out of ignorance and uneducation isn't valid...
bugger off religion!!!
Varoonmg 7 months ago
@Varoonmg He said "consenting", and what you describe is not actual consent.
I agree with Beigefunk, because quite frankly the only reasons the government outlaws it is because religions tell them to.
Ryoushadow 7 months ago
@Ryoushadow Well, if Polygamy is to be legalised, then it should encompass both Plyandry and Polygyny, because in that case, I don't see why Women shouldn't have the right to have multiple husbands too...The same logic applies
and religiously-condoned polygamy should be outlawed because the "consent" given is biased by religious brainwash
Whole sections of Marital and Family law would have to be amended
In any case, having multiple partners isn't forbidden, but marrying more than one is...
Varoonmg 7 months ago
@Ryoushadow And likewise, the only reason why some governments legalise it, is because of some religions...like in countries applying Shariah Law...
Something might be acceptable, but it shouldn't be banned or made legal for the wrong reasons...and religion is either way a wrong reason...
so if BeigeFunk wanted to base his arguments on anything else, that might have been ok, but basing it on religion weakens his argumentation...
Varoonmg 7 months ago
@BeigeFunk Because it famously objectifies women and leads to a lot of arranged marriages and people giving their daughters away to improve relations with other families. All things that are rightfully becoming more and more absent in western society.
Electrononsenseable 7 months ago
@BeigeFunk Likely, for the same reason why gay marriage still isn't legal, because some holy book states it has to be between 1 man and 1 woman.
enlightendbel 7 months ago
@enlightendbel Except it doesn't. Mulitple wives were common the Bible and the Quran.
SBFloppie 7 months ago
@SBFloppie Thats the point and the problem with holy books, you can interpret them to say just about whatever you want at the time you want, for whatever reason you want. Not forgetting the direct contradictions in many parts of both the books you brought up.
enlightendbel 7 months ago
@BeigeFunk Because of all the benefits the legal status of marriage provides. Obviously the government can't tell people not to LIVE together, or have polyamorous relationships, but because of the legal and technical benefits that come with being legally married, that most definitely IS the government's business.
ThaMahstah 6 months ago
@BeigeFunk Because marriage is a lawful contract, and Gov't can intervene in matters of law. I'm not saying its right that they do, don't get me wrong. I agree that since it is a choice and people don't get hurt by it, then it should be legal.
wrraith450 5 months ago
@BeigeFunk Because of the polygamist communities that screw up lives. The men need multiple wives, so most of the young boys get cast out on their own and abandoned. The girls get married off when they're way too young, and have kids when they're 13. People are stupid, and the government has a difficult time prosecuting people for brainwashing their kids into thinking this is ok, but they can get away with outlawing the entire practice.
Tinaddar 5 months ago
@BeigeFunk I think the dad giving the daughter away at 12 to a church leader for political gain was the biggest problem there... When the kids are so brainwashed their ears smell of chlorox it's hard to define consent. Freedom of religion should not be a cart blanch to do whatever you want cuz god told you it was OK to rape children.
seechao 5 months ago
@BeigeFunk Many reasons actually. For one, children born in polygamous households tend to have lower quality of lives due to the lack of a strong fatherly presence (especially since the masculine member of the household has to spread his time across all his different sub-families). Lack of money and resources to care for every member of the family (which can be many in these cases) can also be another problem. It is a matter of rights, mostly. Children and wives have reduced rights.
BoxcarRomance 4 months ago
@BeigeFunk because humans are produced in 1:1 ratio(actually there are slightly more men than women(biologically that is, ignoring sex selective abortion)), in these polygamous communities a great many boys and young men are thrown out simply so that the elders can marry the girls and keep a sex ratio they like. Is that moral?
iWantAGoodName 3 months ago
@iWantAGoodName ... well, it sounds good in theory ....
FrodoDojo 3 months ago
@BeigeFunk I am not an expert but I believe that gov'nt got involved when reports started showing up about girls as young as 13-15 being married to men as old as 40-45, and the men haveing more than one of these girls. this, though legal, seems, to most, to be wrong. if polugamy worked the way Sephan sugests it would be great... but to often it doesn't work out that way.
Tamashi88 3 months ago
@BeigeFunk Unlike previous claims about gay marriage, polygamy actually is bad for the children. It makes one family hate the other and the children rarely see their father. Now if it's in the same house, that's a different story.
WakingLife55 3 months ago
@WakingLife55 If it's the same house, would there be one, two or poly bedrooms?
peperudi 2 months ago
@BeigeFunk i probabably has something to do with when tax benifits get in the picture.. If everyone could marry everyone and pay less i guess that would be quite weird. Im not sure though, just a thought that that might be a problem. Otherwise its fine by me to have as many husbands or wives as you want.
IneffableLifestyle 2 months ago
@BeigeFunk its not enforced anymore..like sodmy laws and laws that say its not illegal to rape your wife
finka123456 2 months ago
@BeigeFunk It causes all manner of fuckery with taxes. It's one thing if it's meerly a spiritual matter, but then the man is only legally married to the first wife, so the subsequent wives all receive state funds because legally, they are unwed mothers. Mormon sects in Utah are infamous for having bilked millions out of the state by doing this, knowingly and with the intention of screwing over the government.
DetoxJesus 1 month ago
Which episode was this? I want to watch it all and see Doctor Who's David Tennant some more.
Saibrock 9 months ago
I always thought a few referred to between 2 and 5, several applied 6 -10 and many was beyond that,,,
GiratinaofFury 9 months ago
@GiratinaofFury many seems like a relative term. If I'm told I'm going to have 20 heartbeats before I die, that's not many. But if I'm told I'm going to have 20 cars, that seems like many.
bossmonkeykj 8 months ago
Irony is that, while I watch this, the "feaured video" is on of the "... and I'm a Mormon" videos :P
TVLover1995 9 months ago
Ironic the off to the side there's a features mormon video
TVLover1995 9 months ago
Lol from the start of this video i thought that they had said wines. Took me a long time to catch on
heroicfailures 9 months ago
Mormons used to use polygamy to give each other under aged daughters eg man 1 "I will give you my daughter for your daughter" etc. It was used to cover up what would be called pedophillia.
hobsquabble 10 months ago
I agree, the problem is that if it became a tradtition it would become forced, but if people were not taught to be born to be in two's, I think there will voluntarily become polygamous relationship, people would have to figure out for themselves how they wanted to have relationships, this would also encourage homosexual relations too. so many different relations that I haven't even heard of but psychologists on this field probably can name many.
mich56a 10 months ago
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mich56a 10 months ago
well you mormons know damn well there are some--granted they are not accepted by the mormon church and are essentially their own sect---that still do this and do it openly.
Putaspellonyou 11 months ago
Females in polygamous relationships tend to be raised in closed groups and isolated from the mainstream of society. To leave means abandoning their family and all the people they have ever known. Not an easy thing to do, especially with little knowledge of the outside world. In Muslim societies they would also have to abandon their religion and country and possibly face the horror of a family honor killing.
binaway 1 year ago 2
@binaway Do you think there are females or males willing to enter polygamous relationship? I think it hasn't been tried yet within our narrow mindsets, within our current society like Stephen is saying, but if it were to become a tradition and in groups, if granted full acceptance. Of course it would change modern-present society values, for the worse, I don't know, but I wouldn't think so. We are probably too scared to try, scared by femminists. Why do people think we were born to be in two's?
mich56a 10 months ago
@mich56a I agree people, usually female, do willingly enter such arrangement's. Mormon sects in Utah abandon boys as young as 13 at the side of highways, simple maths 1man 20 wives=19 men no wives. Wives can be assigned to other men found more worthy if they upset their leader, contrary to the wishes of the wives. Muslim laws allow men to divorce wives very easily but females find it very hard even after years of abuse. How often do we here of young 13YO Muslim girls forced to marry old men.
binaway 10 months ago
@binaway Do you think there are females or males willing to enter polygamous relationship? I think it hasn't been tried yet within our narrow mindsets, within our current society like Stephen is saying, but if it were to become a tradition and in groups, if granted full acceptance. It would change modern-present society values, for the worse, I don't know, but I wouldn't think so. We are probably too scared to try, scared by feminists or atheists. Why do people think we were born to be in two's?
mich56a 10 months ago
@binaway
Possibly face an honor killing? Do you understand that Islam considers apostasy to be the single worst sin it is possible to commit? It is the only sin for which you cannot be forgiven, and if your family doesn't kill you for saying that you aren't Muslim then they would be guilty as well. For a Muslim to renounce their faith is almost as sure a way to commit suicide as jumping off the Eiffel Tower. Religion of peace my ass.
z3r0t0l3r4ns 9 months ago
Is that Dr. Who?
Arenlor 1 year ago
@Arenlor yes.
LoopyLydz18 1 year ago
Well, there are still some smaller Mormon sects that practice polygamy, so this isn't 100% accurate, though it's true (to my understanding) that the Mormon church as a whole has abandoned the practice. It's a cause of great divisiveness within those certain segments, as I understand it.
tankgirl73 1 year ago 45
@tankgirl73 It's actually the reason that Utah wasn't accepted as a state for so long. The social stigma against polygamy was so strong that no one would risk their political careers by supporting them.
downedcoyote1 11 months ago
@tankgirl73 The decision to not practice polygamy was a "Divine Revalation" as well -_-
clay180 10 months ago
@tankgirl73 Ya the people who still practised it were told to leave the church but they just set up their own little religion and still take the Mormon name but they have nothing to do with the real Morman church. Thats were the confusion comes in.
chickflickaddict91 6 months ago
@chickflickaddict91 It depends on what your definition of 'Mormonism' is. If only those who are members of the Mormon Church (Church of Jesus Christ of LDS) are 'real Mormons', it's right that only one wife is permitted. However, there are groups who are part of the LDS movement, that permit polygamy. How are they part of the LDS movement? They see Joseph Smith as their prophet and regard the Book of Mormon as holy scripture comprable to the Bible.
Viljarism 6 months ago
@tankgirl73 The main LDS church still practices polygamy, but only in the afterlife.
acr08807 2 months ago
@acr08807 No. They don't. I am a Mormon. Trust me.
5Delano 2 weeks ago
@5Delano Why would I trust you? Lying about your faith is standard practice for Mormons. You want everyone to think you're Christians when you're really a Joseph Smith personality cult.
acr08807 2 weeks ago
@acr08807 That is ridiculous. Where would you get such a ridiculous idea?
ramorrissey 1 week ago
@ramorrissey Would you say that any church that teaches that Joseph Smith will judge us after our deaths along with Jesus and God is a false church?
acr08807 1 week ago
What episode is this from?
Katz1065 1 year ago
Bill has a point there, christmas dinner, "By the way honey, I love you, but I also love Sarah so how about I marry both of you? You can count it as a christmas present if you like" Yes I realise the implication here is in extremely bad taste but hey lifes to short to be tasteful all the time.
samthepsycicclam 1 year ago
Well we Mormons, don't practice polygamy and haven't done so in 120 years.
Muslims still practice it, in Saudi Arabia it is legal and they can have up to three.
1830LivingLDS 1 year ago
I'm LDS (mormon) - we laughed ourselves silly at this :D
Museite 2 years ago