Weimar Germany - Revolution and Counterrevolution

[pederman15]

ww2 no winners. germany was strong enough to toss its jewish banksters but not strong enough to fight all its jewish controlled enemies. we all lost. after 911 farce, learning of all the false opts, prior warning of pearl harbour, lavon affair, uss liberty attack,jfk assasination, iraq, lybia farce, obl afghan alquaeda scam etc etc...what is to say ww2 wasnt all a big farce as well. how long have jews controlled usa media,gov? ww2 (the creation of israel?) usery by jews? chipped next?

[whizbang47]

Not even a parasite. Just a lackey. And ye gods but he is squirming. He probably has less to call his than the semi-employed guy, but thinks he has something to protect in the fake democratic, class society, because his boss tells him he does. A sad case. There's a thousand like him living in Bacigalup' Bay.

[slecht]

What's the name of this song?

[DrCruel]

Bush only maintained death camps in teh fantasyland of Leftists. In every Marxist regime - laogias, gulags, or what have you - the death camps were real.

As for not reading anything that conflicts with your viewpoint, ostentatiously out of a sense of moral repugnance, I would suggest that might lead to a shallow understanding. I've read the morally repugnant works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Hitler, Trotsky, Goebbels, Guevara, Mao, and other socialists. Else I would not know them as well as I do.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Baghram, Guantanamo, AbuGharib? Not to mention all the unknown black holes ran by your lickspittles.

Keep quoting the books you've read if it makes you feel clever, I don't give homework over the internet.

[stureremil1942]

Gulags weren't death camps, only prison camps.

[williamhad]

@stureremil1942 prisons where people are tortured and killed not fed and soo on regularly are called death camps

[stureremil1942]

@williamhad Imperialist propaganda.

[williamhad]

@stureremil1942 i have heard no propaganda about the gulag. non. if i hadnt stumbled on to it i would have never known about it

[DrCruel]

Incidentally, if you are actually honest about learning why the US economy is in its present predicament, look up Peter Schiff. You might also want to read his book, "Crash Proof".

Here's a hint - it wasn't because of the Illuminati.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

I have no interest in reading the ravings of a social rapist. The US and world economy is where it is because of GREED or capitalism as it's also known.

[DrCruel]

Bush won two terms as president - the latter with a handy majority - and left office due to constitutional restraints. Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Hafez Assad, Kim Il Sung and most every other Leftist socialist despot left power only when they died. Some of them were literally succeeded by their sons.

Most every one of these leaders ruled with virtually complete authority. President Bush couldn't even get librarians to comply with the Patriot Act.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Poor Buch eh? He could torture at will, open concentration camps and support terrorism in Cuba but he was bullied by a few librararians. My heart bleeds for the poor guy.

[DrCruel]

If you want to behave as a "friend", you might try not to call me "illiterate" for expressing known facts, especially when I back them up with sources that you apparently haven't read yourself. As for claims that the United States in 2003 (rather than, say, Bolshevik Russia in 1933 or East Germany in 1953) was "analogous" to Nazi Germany, that's just a repeat of Leftist moonbat propaganda. The Bush administration never had access to the powers of a Stasi, Gestapo or NKVD'KGB.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Are you for real? Bush's Amerika has powers that the NKVD etc never dreamed of having.

Nazi Germany in 1933 - a ruler with supreme power and a minority of the popular vote with rabid right wing views and about to unleash an illegal war of agression.

Amerika 1933 - ditto.

[DrCruel]

As for every empirical example of Leftist regimes, they have always rallied around a single ethnic faction which invariably would be where the ruling elite was drawn. In Russia it was the Russian pary members. In China it was the Han Chinese. In Vietnam it was the North Vietnamese who would rule exclusively, and well after the conquest of the South. In Cuba, Syria, and North Korea new leaders are chosen via primogeniture. In Russia, these blood relations were called the "nomenklatura".

[Uptoyourfacelads]

I am well aware of the limitations of what you call "leftist" regimes. Excluding basket case North Korea, the "ruling elite" were drawn from the party, surprise, surprise. - membership open to all.

[DrCruel]

Nazi Germany wasn't a "capitalist" society - it was socialist, in fact more authentically so than Bolshevik Russia. And because of it, up until perhaps 1942 or so (ie, before Speer's reforms), German industrial production suffered for it. One example is that the Soviet Army was far more motorized, and had better trucks, than did the Germans (mainly from US wartime aid and because of an agreement in the 1930s to locate a Ford Motor plant at Nimzhy-Novgorod).

Read "Brute Force" by John Ellis.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Yeah sure the likes of the Krupps/Junkers etc were socialist.................NATI­ONAL SOCIALISM has nothing to do with Socialism it was a perversion of it.

[DrCruel]

To get an idea of how unpopular the Bolsheviks were to the so-called "working classes", see "Worker Resistance Under Stalin" by Jeff Rossman. By contrast, reforms like the RAD and the centralized effort made possible by the DAF won over German workers - assuming they were not of the Jewish faith (again, it is easier to understand Nazi policies in view of a ethno/cultural rather than class/vocation dynamic).

[Uptoyourfacelads]

What are you on about? The "so-called" working classes? Look where  gangster capitalism/banksterism has led us today.

Socialism is not about nationalism, kappish?

[DrCruel]

Most of the prior rulers were co-opted by the Nazis and replaced with incompetant Nazi sycophants - a move that would be familiar to people in contemporary Venezuela. In fact, the Nazis were more authentically socialist than the Bolsheviks, and were actually much more popular with German workers than the Bolsheviks were with Russian workers (to say nothing of Ukranians).

Another curious fact is that the Bolsheviks killed more "Soviet" people before WW II than the Nazis would during it.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Again more rubbish, who voted for executive power for Hitler in March 1933 apart from the NSDAP? Who voted against? Clue-the KPD deputies were already excluded.

A more accurate analogy to Nazi Germany in 1933 would be Bush's America 2003

[DrCruel]

Nazis received support from the German "class" - it more openly depended on ethnic rather than vocational differences. Unlike the Bolsheviks, the Nazis were far more open and honest about their racial favoritism and oppression of ethnic minorities, something that was rife in Bolshevik Russia.

>>Don't make a idiot of yourself...

You should consider taking your own advice. I'm no Marxist sympathizer, and don't buy into the failed Marxian model of political analysis.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Listen friend, you are a historical and political illiterate if you really believe the rubbish you wrote.

[DrCruel]

The Nazis were socialists. They just weren't nearly as committed to killing every single business leader as the Bolsheviks. And as the "authentic" Marxists tended to cause economic collapse, mass starvation and general misery in the countries they ran, subsequent Leftist regimes invariably adopt something similar to what the Nazis came up with - nationalization of business, but allowing businessmen to do all the managing work in exchange for a share of the profits.

Look at the PRC.

[Uptoyourfacelads]

Don't make a idiot of yourself - nazi support was mostly from the middle class. They adopted some of the imagery and rhetoric of socialism to try draw support from the working class but in reality were the razor in the hand of the ruling elite.

[grummeper]

Thanks!

[BentonHeight]

Rosa Luxemburg should have read the art of war.

[waken12]

someone know the german song title?

[edgar0001]

History is always the story of the winners - in this case of the most agressive killers. It was mainly the 500 million Antibolschewistenfond (10th Jan. 1919) of the German capitalists that founded the military killing of the socialist leaders and the Raeterepublik and than creating the nazis as opposition to the left.

[edgar0001]

The other main reasons for the fall of Weimar was the creation of the Hugenberg NAZI media machine by industrialists, and founding any group and action of antibolschewists, including Army, Freikorps, SPD, and also Hitler to make the DAP to the NSDAP in 1920. Search for Antibolschewismusfond (German).

This was a war between people and monarchists and capitalists won by capitalists. See also the book of Sutton: "Wallstreet and the rise of Hitler.

[sternberg1]

nice collection !

[paulpembroke]

die Gotterdammerung

[nekdonekdonekdo]

hey,where I can find that music?

[pdodox]

this can be found on the record 'Tank battles', dating from the late 80s. All songs on this record are very good.

[shurednichso]

VIVA SPARTAKUSBUND! VIVA OUR DREAMS !

[bierdna]

...Dagmar....viva...!

[lbcsrw]

Gosh, I just love Dagmar.