begins at the placing of the abomination of desolation and continues for exactly 1290 days, 42 months, or 3 1/2 years or in the middle of the week,1/2 week.(see also Rev 12:6, 13:5; Dan 7:25, 9:27.Saints are taken away a the end of 1,200 days which leaves 75 days of God's wrath upon the wicked
I will have to break this up a little it all won't fit.If you read Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
What I was taught was that the reign of the Antichrist and his persecution of God's people begins at
Part 7: Finally, Mat 24 is not talking about the 2nd advent. The word "Coming" in Mat 24:3 is the Greek word "Parousia" which is the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to RAISE THE DEAD, hold the last judgment (REWARD THE SAINTS), & set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God which is a process that will lead up to the 2nd Advent and Millenium. Bottom Line: we don't all have to die to get to heaven, this is the mystery of 1Cor 15:51-52 and the meaning is LITERAL.
Part 6: I understand that we don't stay in heaven forever as many think...We reign with Christ on earth for the Millenium so there has to be a 2nd advent.....however, the word "coming" does not always apply to the second advent....this word is used interchangeably to also describe the Resurrection/Rapture event. When Jesus returns we will be with him...Every believer regardless if they died or not as per 1 Cor 15:51 "We shall not ALL sleep". How do we get THERE w/o being raptured?
Part 5.1 (Cont'd) Is it righteous of God to punish His own with the wicked or have you never read the parable in Mat 13 of the Wheat and the Tares? It calls to mind how Jesus gives details of his intentions in this parable in Matthew 13 where he specifically says in this verse, that He will tell the angels to (gather) the WHEAT into (MY BARN)...Last I checked...God dwells in Heaven....so I think believers will be "Flying Away" after all...ma'am w/ all due respect...you've got it twisted.
Part 5: Now...here is something to consider: for a fact the Wrath of God/Day of the Lord will last no less than 5 months...but probably much longer as per Rev...If Rom 5:9 and 1Thes 5:9 are true, then where on EARTH can we go to in order to excape God's wrath? Even more importantly, how can we be in heaven at this time (for rewards) as per Rev 11:18 if we ain't there?
Part 4.1 (Cont'd) In other words, the Day of the Lord is the same as (The End), its the same as The Wrath of God....and it's on the same day as the Resurrection and Rapture....this is why the language is so strong....its a paradigm shift on sin and godlessness in order to set up the millenial kingdom of God.
Part 4: At around 11:50 you talk about the Day of the Lord. While I won't say that the Day of the Lord is the Rapture/ Resurrection event, I will say that The Day of the Lord & The Resurrection/Rapture occur back to back , ON THE SAME DAY. Romans 5:9 & 1 Thes 5:9 both tell us that we are NOT appointed to suffer WRATH. Whose wrath? not Satans wrath, which is why followers of Christ get persecuted, but believers are not appointed to suffer GODS Wrath which is also why beleivers are raptured.
Part 3.4 (Cont'd) the word for "cut short" means (Mutilation) in the Greek. The idea is through amputation, hence "cut short". In other words...The days of Believers being Persecuted and or put to death will be "cut short" by an event called the Rapture. This would be necessary to take believers away completely out of reach of the Antichrist and his followers. Matthew 24:22 tells us WHY this event is necessary...b/c they would render believers EXTINCT on the earth. Thats how bad it gets
Part 3.3 (Cont'd): The indication of times getting so hard on the BELIEVERS is prevalent in Matthew 24. Mat 24:22 tells us WHY those days are (cut short/stopped suddenly) with the Resurrection/Rapture event.....Specifically for those believers who are still alive being persecuted and facing death...Mat 24:22 says: "if those days had not been (cut short), no one would survive." In context, no (believers) would survive.
Part 3.2 (Cont'd): In other words, the ppl in Mat 24:13 are ALREADY SAVED. They have to stand firm in their faith during the hard persecuting times. They are being persecuted & even put to death b/c they are believers in Christ as per Mat 24:9 where it says WHY they are being persecuted & killed hence (b/c of me = Christ) in verse 9 & this is why they must ENDURE to (the end).
Part 3.1 (Continued): Matthew 24:13 "He who stands firm to (the end) will be saved." Salvation does not come by standing firm....this is NOT what the verse is teaching. The bible in general does not teach multiple paths to salvation....only ONE & I assure you salvation by endurance is the WRONG answer!!! So what is Matthew 24:13 saying? (The End) is the time of the Ressurrection&Rapture....& IMMEDIATELY after this is the End...or The wrath of God or The Day of The Lord =same event same day.
Part 3.0: This lady has misunderstood Matthew 24:13 where it says: but he who stands firm to (the end) will be saved. At around 6:06 you say souls are at stake here...then you teach Mat 24:13 in gross error. Standing firm in times of trouble NEVER gave salvation to ppl...and NEVER will. What your saying is that there is ANOTHER way to have salvation by Enduring hard times....This is heresy...Its the Gospel that saves, The Blood, and Faith to believe in Jesus's death burial and Resurrection.
Part 2: This lady doesnt understand that the Rapture & Resurrection happen back to back as per 1 Cor 15:51-52...Resurrection is the dead being called up...& the Rapture or "Catching Away" is the living being called up AFTER the dead as per 1Cor 15:51-52....& this passage in Cor is VERIFIED by 1 Thes 4:16 which (AGAIN) pertains to the DEAD=Resurrection & verse 17 The LIVING=Rapture w/ a gathering point being mentioned in detail: will be CAUGHT UP w/them in the CLOUDS to meet the Lord in the AIR.
Part 1: This lady is confused. She is picking & choosing what can only be believed by (Faith) to begin w/. So she didnt choose to believe in the Rapture....umm Ok, thats her choice but then at around 13:36 she wants to be a part of the Resurrection. ROFL...Whats the difference between the Rapture & the Resurrection? The Resurrection is the "Fly Away" doctrine for the "Dead" in Christ....it takes MORE faith to believe in the DEAD flying away than the Living who fly away (The Rapture).
If the whole Tribulation is not the WRATH OF GOD why does the Book of Revelation at the beginning of it say: "And ... every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from THE WRATH OF THE LAMB: for THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" (Revelation 6:15-17; cf Isaiah 26:19-21)
The Rapture of all living believers, and the resurrection of the dead bodies all believers whoes spirits are now in heaven with Jesus will occur before the 7 year Tribulation. Jesus will return in the clouds with their spirits and will raise their bodies and rejoin the two, and RAPTURE or catch us up to be with Him forever. This is a firmly established doctrine in God's Word. (Matt 24:36-42; 1 Cor 15:51-52; 1 Thess 4:13-18; 2 Thess 2:1-3; Rev 4:1)
@RealWorldNewsOrg 7 yr. tribulation is a huge mistake of words. there is no evidence that the tribulation/persecution of the saint will be for 7 years in duration..I submit to u that u are confusing the 70th wk of Daniel which is 7 yrs long w/ how long the saints will be persecuted. Nowhere does Dan call his 70th wk "tribulation" furthermore, the tribulation will be "cut short" as per Mat 24:22..& Daniels 70th wk can NOT be cut short as per Dan 9:24 "70 (7's) are DECREED" ,it cant be shortened.
@RealWorldNewsOrg (plz see my post to Guiz)....the 7 yr trib is horrible terminology...it confuses dan's 70th wk which is 7 yrs long w/ how long the saints will suffer persecution & there is nothing in the bible that says the saints will be pressed for 7yrs in duration. Dan 11:36 says that Antichrist "will be successful until the time of his wrath is completed" but it does not tell us how long he will cause the saints to endure persecution before the rapture occurs.
Our word "RAPTURE" comes from the Latin verb "RAPIO" meaning "to seize and carry off," transport, remove, etc. It is the popular word used for the event recorded in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. There is says, "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them [Christians who have died] in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." The Greek wordused in God's Word was "HARPAZO" (cf. Revelation 12:5). HARPAZO, RAPIO and RAPTURE all mean the exact same thing, namely, "CAUGHT UP."
But the tribulation is not the wrath of God. The word points out that "God will be with us in suffering like during the days of Rome, many people suffered at the hands of Nero, etc. ? Jesus said in 3 place in the NT that the rapture won't happen until "immediately after the trib. Mk 13:24, Mat 24:29, Luke 21:26
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.(1Th5:2)---But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.(1Th5:4)--For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1Th5:9). Hey Church, looking at some of these comments, I just wonder how we can justify all the arguing? By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. (John 13:35)
sad that lukewarms don't want to go through anything in life but want to be taken out. Whats the point God then should just take out ever sinner once there saved now if that's the case. pre trib rapture, and chirstian zionism is all part of the nwo scheme to destroy there faith. lukewarm has to be vomited out of Jesus's mouth some how if they don't repent and turn like the rest of us.
@HelpaCollegeGradout It is true that there are "weaker" brothers an sisters who have no desire to go through persecution. But what did God ask Cain after Cain murdered Abel.."Where is Abel your brother?" In being His, being in Yeshua, we are to love one another, yes we are our brothers keeper. I'm not here to provoke a riot over pre, post-trib, but to say that you are in good company in either. I've met many who love the Lord who differ on this subject.
If there is a pre-trib rapture to save the Christians, then why did the early Christians have to be tortured and die for their faith? There are many verses that state the rapture will happen at the return of Christ, NOT before. Christ's own word state it; Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24-26.
Also Daniel 8:24 He (Anti Christ) shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.? Or in Daniel 11:35
@Gwiz1280 There is certainly a difference between the persecution of man and God's wrath and we (the Church) have not be appointed to God's wrath. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1Th5:9). Unless your interest is in quibbling over hermeneutics, check out who the 24 elders say that they are in chapter 4 and 5 of The Revelation. They sing and tell us that they are THE REDEEMED/ by the blood of The Lamb--BEFORE the Lamb loosens 1 seal
@Gwiz1280 Mat 24--Mk 13--Lk 21 are all talking about the same thing & these passages are NOT talking about the 2nd Coming/Return of Christ...They are talking about the Resurrection/Rapture ..the word for "coming" in Mat 24:3 is Parousia (see meaning above) The apostles were asking specifically about the Resurrection/Rapture..The end is Wrath of God. Gods wrath begins after the Resurrection/Rapture.
@Gwiz1280 Gods wrath does not begin w/ the 2nd advent it begins w/ the resurrection & the rapture..which leads to the Day of the Lord & afterward, the 2nd advent and Millinium etc.
If Christ "raptures" Christians B 4 the Tribulation, wouldn't he have to apologize to all the martyred Christians who suffered for their faith? The Bible states that except he intervene in the last days, NO flesh would be saved alive,right? Seems to me, Christians WILL be present during the Tribulation?
So, in the end here is what we are left with.... Jesus is perfect with not one sin.... Paul murdered many many christains then he self proclaimed to be a prophet. You cant follow chrsit who is perfect with perfect wisdom then after this follow paul who was a murderer then belive what he had to say.I say this,if the words are even a little off to what chrsit said then you cant follow it at all.Follow perfect chrsit, or follow a murderer, its all up to you in the end.
As far as any rapture idea? this is all from paul to decive his people into thinking on his words.Many people truly beleived he had chrsit on his side but most forget he was already a murderer, he murdered many many christains before he became a so called chrsitian, most all true christains at the time left paul for his fauls teachings and this is true history.To me this sounds like he was trying to be forgivin for his actions for murdering, so he lied that he meet god with no proff of it.
That's deep. But how can a loving god who loves us so much send us his children to burn eternally just because we were off on one little thing. This is what I asked myself. Mans written word and the english language is causuing a lot of problems. If god wanted us to know his word y didn't he just write it on the sun so that way there wont be anh question. The truth is hard to swallow. How bout if all we've ever believed was an invention of man?
@lovelycars1 If a person was ever gods son or as you put it his child then this person would walk as jesus did or at least try to. There is no where where it says we go burn eternally just because we were off on one little thing. If you love god then you would love his commandments, if this is so then you would love to follow them, if this is so then you will not burn, plain and simple.my point is jesus said if you want to walk in the kingdom then be better then the scribs and pharicies.
@lovelycars1 As for the invention of man, men are not smart enough to make up something as the holy scriptures all through out time. Now a couple here and there, well, no, paul tryed it, and failed.look how off his stuff is to the truth,Im convinced his word was not from god and if so we see how a true man of gods words are so much diffrent from a man who was just trying not to fell guilty for murdering christains.
@lovelycars1 And yes my friend, the truth is hard to swallow, but easy at the same time, its simple to be perfect, its a choose, but its impossible if gods does not go into your heart to change you into a perfect person and show you how easy it is. But christ taught us how to be perfect, its in scripture.give to all that askes, love those that hate you.becouse even gods love the ones who hate him. are perfect example is god.Only chrsits words are true and valed but gods to.
@lovelycars1 In case, You want the Truth... There is no Hell as humans imagine. Yes, Bible do NOT Support this. Lake of Fire is real and will be used for destruction (anihilation), but NOT for eternal torment. Hell doctrine is FALSE. I can prove it IF You want, i.e. I will sent one analysis about this subject, then You will see.
And by the way, God of Israel YAHUWAH is speaking to Our generation by His chosen prophets: TrumpetCallofGodOnline . com ; Hear Him...
@mystic81006 STOP BLASPHEMING Apostle PAUL! READ THIS: Letter called "Discernment" in TrumpetCallofGodOnline . com website. HEAR WHAT GOD OF ISRAEL YAHUWAH SAYING REGARDING PAUL... REPENT and have forgivness or Forebear and suffer...
@ScientistALRIII BLASPHEMING Apostle PAUL? really? a murderer of christains,you talk as he is your chrsit? There is onLY one way to the kingdome, and that is christ not paul. He was never ever any Apostle to the true god so why do you love his words so much, becouse he says its ok to sin as long as you ask for forgivness? But god himeself said I never change. God neve3r said anything about paul but what paul wrote himeself, to me he is a lier.to repent is to not ever do it agien.
@mystic81006 Read what I wrote, i.e. what is written in letter. It is YAHUWAH word not mine... All what I have to do I done - You already got message. Now it is Your own responsibility to do what is right or decide to go after that deceiver called satan and fight against YAHUWAH word... Regards.
@ScientistALRIII what fruits do you see, concerning My servant, Paul? HE WAS A MURDERER, THAT THE FRUITS, PROVING THIS SO CALLED FAKE LETTER IS A FAKE AND NOT FROM GOD.gOD DOES NOT GO TO MURDERES THEN CALL THEM AS DISIPLES THEN SAY THERE FRUITS ARE GOOD,LOL. YOU ARE BLIND ALL THE WAY.
HERE IS ANOTHER ONE BLIND ONE...And also kept My Commandments in and by My name
YOU SHALL NOT KILL IS ONE OF HIS COMMANDMENTS, SO HE BROKE THIS ONE WITH HIS OWN ADMITNESS.sO THIS IS A FAKE OR GOD IS A LIER
@mystic81006 Hate will not help at all... You can hate the Truth, but that will not change the fact that Truth is the Truth... Yes, Paul WAS murderer, but he was forgiven. And do not try to say that You are not a murderer because when You hate someone You automatically making this sin. And by the way, David also was responsible for slaughter of many people... Is he is not forgiven? Anyway, You are blind to see now, but do not worry during great tribulation Your eyes may see... Regards.
@ScientistALRIII I dont hate the truth nore hate you nore any one else at that matter, but I do know the truth, and I will aways defend it and stand by it.Who do I hate? Who do you charge me of hate with? paul? becouse I love paul, I dont love his words nore his writings but I do love him as a brother. Just becouse I dont agree with you nore him at all and never will , I will still will enter into the kingdom ,this does not mean I hate him nore you, I love you with all my heart.jesus only saves.
@ScientistALRIII My point here has only been we never needed paul to get into the kingdom, jesus already told us everything we needed to know in the first place. There was never ever anything extra needed to know to get into the kingdom my brother or sister.Everything needed is all what jesus spoke, not paul, he had nothing to do with any saving of anyone. So even if he was a profit when in turn he was not it would have never really even matered to any one any where.
@mystic81006 Look, I not judging You in any way, I just stating that during Your whole life at least one time You hated someone and that means that You, as well as I, are murderer... You are right that for us is enough to have YAHUSHUA teachings, yet why reject His Gifts - more information? The problem is not that You using only YAHUSHUA words as way of life, but that You rejecting YAHUWAH word in Bible (paul situation) and these letters (actually You do not need them, but it is a gift). Cont..
@mystic81006 Refinement and staying in earth during the great tribulation by no means mean that You will not be saved if You already elected to be saved, i.e. that sheep of YAHUSHUA which is given by YAHUWAH... Look, I advise You to ask with all sincerity YAHUWAH to show You the Truth in YAHUSHUA name. Please do it for Yourself. And read that letters, study them, compare with bible teachings. Do not reject them without reading them or You will have to stay here during tribulation... Regards.
@ScientistALRIII We all will be here in the tribliation my good brother or sister, I say this with nothing but love to you, All the elect will be gathered together in the last days to be seperated from the goats and the sheep. The sheep will be given there reward and so will the goats.If some are taken away during thease times then they will miss out on the rewards, so You have to understans in my mind we all will be here, no where does it say we wont in the book of daniel or in jesus words.
@mystic81006 I know its A hard thing to swallow and I am sorry for this but that is the truth, the only scripture jesus says anything remote is one will be standing there and the other will be gone, well this can mean many things, death even, no one know for shure, but I hold true to only chrsits words, this way there is no mix up with mans words and chrsits words, this can be very dangress thing to do on your part.
@mystic81006 Well, I am brother... Now, not ALL of us will be here. Yet I believe that I will have to stay here... Yes, pre-tribulation rapture will take place. You can chose to not believe this, but when this take place know that You was wrong and not everything is lost. Just Repent then. Remember this. Regards.
@ScientistALRIII Not beliving in the rapture is not a sin so there will be no need to repent,its fun to talk to you. I see you are led my man more then god, this is a sad thing to see, you belive in mans teachings more then gods or chrsits, this is not a charge to you just a observastion.Sin is nothing more then not following the comandments of god,nothing more, nothing less. If you keep telling people to repent for things that are not sin you will scare people away from god.
@mystic81006 You are wrong... I not following man, I follow YAHUSHUA and YAHUWAH, yet not in such way that I would like to... YAHUSHUA sheeps hear YAHUSHUA voice and follow Him... You do not have to believe in rapture, that is right, yet it is Biblical Truth and IF You fighting against it what this makes You? Person who rejecting the Truth, even word of YAHUWAH... This is a sin, my brother, and great one... That is what happened to pharisees... You better research everything. Regards.
@ScientistALRIII I do hear his voice and follow it his comandments, Now if you are telling me you also hear his voice but do not follow his comandments you are also lying. As its writen by who my brother? jesus that is they follow my comandments then I will send the holy spirit to them and guide them and teach them all things. I follow all of the comandments do you? I tell you this right now, if you do not follow all of them and just ecsept your self as not perfect then you dont hear the lord.
@ScientistALRIII I dont live my life on a simple letter that might be gods, But I live my life by the truth of chrsit who dies on that cross, all of his words, no one elses. And if you say you hear and follow a voice that tells you to follow also man, you do not hear the true god, for paul was just a man.As far as the raptue as Biblical Truth , its not writen the way you think ti is meant to be read is all.Im telling you we bolth do not follow the same voice, we bolth can not be right here.
@ScientistALRIII If people think everything is a sin then most people will not follow god, we need to teach people how easy it is to follow the comandments of god. This way people will see how easy it is and there faith will grow.Its easy not to son and be perfect. its easy not to murder, its easy not to lie, its easy not to comitt adultry, and only thease comanments, the ten, are sinfull if not followed.
@mystic81006 Do not worry we are, yet Your self righteousness and pride make You blind, so You are sheep that clearly do not recognize the voice of YAHUSHUA... Just remember to not accept mark of the Beast - probably RFID chip. In general, I should see You after the great tribulation in YAHUSHUA kingdom IF You will be disciplined during tribulation and not take mark of the beast and I myself will not fall... Regards.
@ScientistALRIII I am not self righteousness nore pridefull, If you only really knew me, just becouse my words sound pridfull I am not, as for being blind, no.I know the voice if my father who created this univerce and always will.As far as being self righteousness? In any of my words that I wrote what ones make me self righteousness? Is it the fact that I say I dont sin? Becouse like I said this is easy to do, even for you, Or becouse you have to follow the comandments to recieve the spirit?
@ScientistALRIII Becouse im not using my own words there, Im using christs words there when I say you will not recieve the spirit of truth unless you follow them.So How am I self righteousness ??
@ScientistALRIII bro a microchip is not the mark of the beast....its whats sealed in your mind if you believe any false doctrine like the rapture then you will worship satan when he pretends to be Yeshua
@mr44doom IF You do not know then better keep silent. RFID chip is definitely the mark of the Beast. Rapture also will take place. You probably even believe in false hell doctrine... Well, believe what You want that will not change anything. I agree with You with that forehead = symbolism of thoughts and hand = symbolism of actions. But all this things reduces to DO NOT LOVE THIS WORLD OR YOU WILL GET MARK OF THE BEAST - RFID CHIP. Regards.
@ScientistALRIII no i dnt believe in this false hell with demons and pitch forks...ALL SOULS go to paradise your either on one side of the gulf or the other...get real guy your speaking with zadok!
@ScientistALRIII bro i do know what im talkin about and read the bible chapter by chapter verse by verse plus reading the original manuscripts over and over....so believe what you want...what dont you get about the whole fact the Yeshua returns at the seventh trump and satan comes at the 6th...who knows your prolly a kenite hahaha....read ezkiel 13...have fun with your fly away doctrine
@mr44doom IF You read it all at all, then You done it very not careful... Stop praising Yourself and Research: FEAST OF THE TRUMPETS symbolism. And stop deceiving others!... RFID chip is definitely the mark of the beast. Regards.
@mystic81006 bro your just all over the place caught up in babylon...which is sad..and you my friend already have the mark of the beast for you will worship satan when he comes as Yeshua claiming that he going to the church...and i know this for a FACT...I read the bible front to back while reading the original manuscripts with their orignal meanings...but you love traditions of men not the WORD of God...how dare you question Gods reasoning for using Brother paul he was a sinner just like u
@mr44doom I worship who?????? right, I reject all things from this earth and you say I worship satan,lol,lol.I choose not to sin, we all make the choose, you make up lies saying none of us are perfect when in turn jesus comanded people to sin no more. Just beouse you are cought up in the lie of its impossible to sin no more does not mean you are serving god. If you ever onced loved god, you would also love his comandments more then your faimly. So this said who serves who?
@mr44doom Daniel bowed down to god every single day three times a day, he fasted for weeks, he 100 persently loved god and proved it. My point to you is this, in this day and age peoples conceptions of god are way diffrent then they used to be. And now I have a sin lover telling me we all are siners,lol, OK, IN WHOS EYES, YOURS OR GODS, FOR IF YOU FOLLOW ALL OF HIS COMANDMENTS ARE YOU STILL A SINNER? OR ARE YOU CONSIDERED PERFECT? THIS IS NOT YOUR DESISION TO JUDGE, ITS ONLY GODS.
@mr44doom This was my faverat one here, but you love traditions of men not the WORD of God, I hate traditions of man, hate them and this is why I dont follow paul as paul was just a man, I only follow christ, thank you.And If I where to use your concept on this issue then why dont you follow me? I also follow chrsit as paul claimed, but you reject me as a brother, I love christ, follow him, read his words, praise him, bow down to him every day and you scorn me as a brother.
@mystic81006 of course i love you bro but i wont stand idle while you er....YVHV himself stop paul on the Road to damascus and thus saul wass changed to paul...if you dnt follow his writings then you will worship satan...point blank period! who are you to Judge....for david himself was a murder but he turn to the almighty God and thus we have the book of palsms...so you might as well throw tht out to...dnt you see your erorr brother your not a judge. if yeshua saw paul fit then HE IS
@mr44doom Yes, I underastand paul himeself wrote this, no one else, so to say we follow his writing and his claims to are another matter.I will never ever worship satan and I dont know where you are getting this from, they can cut my head off before I prasie any one but the true god.I dont follow men period, I dont folow paul nore david. I dont follow man.Only paul said jesus forgave him, no one else, there is the problem, you follow his writings that he wrote about himeself, dont you see that??
@mr44doom Its not error not to follow a man, And if you say it is you dont follow christ my brother, thease all where just pauls words about himeself and what he thought was god and there is no proof at all any where that he did ever meet god, or any angles or jesus. All I need to enter intot eh kingdom is christ, nothing else, nothing. christ came, told us how to live, then died on the cross, then that was that, we never needed paul to enter in to heavin. if you think we do you are in error.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven
Was paul forgiven, Im shure of it, but was he a true profit of christ and god, no, im shure of this also.If this letter was true and valid and proven to the church it would have been included in the bible, but its not.
@mystic81006 So next time you charge some one with a hate crim please make shure they really hate that person, plus I would love to point one thing out, if you hate your brother, you are guilty of murder, but there is one problem with this, not every one is your brother in chrsit or god. Only true children of god are our brothers, is paul really a true brother? this is yet to be determend.
@ScientistALRIII I will never belive a website over jesus christ, his words where simple and plain and needed no interpitation but from what he gave.His own interipations where good anouph, so there was never ever any reason for paul to come on the sean in the first place.He has never saved anyone, he cant, its impossible,Do you think its sin for me to talk this way? Was paul god? was paul jesus? no, he was not, nore did he ever meet god nore jesus in his life im shure of it.
@mystic81006 i dnt need paul but i need pauls writings to guide me...but you have made your bed and you will sleep in it.... you have no clue what is at hand you will be lost and you will worship satan through your ignorance
The only verce widely used to prove any rapture is a verce paul wrote, this is that
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
problem, paul was just a man who in turn made many many refrences to many things that never mached up with chrsits words, SO, YOU EITHER BELIVE IN CHRSIT, OR YOU BELIVE IN PAUL, JESUS NEVER SAID THIS, PAUL DID AND THAT IS THE DECEPTION, I FOLLOW ONLY CHRIST, PAUL CANT SAVE ME NORE CAN HIS WORDS.
These are a couple of things anyway. however, there are more that i might address later. @scientist I love that isaiah scripture, i tend to forget it when discussing this matter...
i agree with scientist on this. the creator of this vid seems to be terribly misinformed in several instances. As pointed out in an earlier post, Hal Lindsay is not an author of the left behind series, that would be Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. Also, pre-trib rapture believers know or should know that the harpazo and the second coming are two entirely different happenings. The latter happens before the 70the week of daniel, and the second coming concludes that 7 year period.
The theory doesn't mean that people will disappear and be saved from the antichrist; it says that we will be saved from God's wrath. I'm just saying...
Amen. They are deceived so bad they don't even know it. And it's going to be even worse when the Antichrist reigns. Satan is going to successfully deceive the whole entire world into worshiping the beast.
By the way, my Brother, after I wrote to SEK4110, i.e. wrote the same text that I wrote here, she blocked me... So research about rapture event in more detail and do not trust nor her, nor me. READ BIBLE. Best Regards and may YAHUWAH Bless You.
You are a liar. Know why? Cause NOWHERE in the Bible does it even mention a rapture. Christianity has been around since 34 AD. Guess when the rapture doctrine was created? 1802 AD. So for 1700+ years, nobody even know about a rapture. Use logic. While you are going to be waiting on a rapture, the tribulations is going to be done started. Then they are going to come to house, and round up you and your family. Then, I guarantee you are going to take the mark because you scared.
Isaiah 26: 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
To sum up, RAPTURE EVENT surely will take place and is BIBLICAL TRUTH.
Paul even backed Jesus' up saying that until CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN, the Lord cannot come back. The antichrist has to take the throne and he has to reign. Cause when Jesus makes his 2nd coming, he is going to destroy the beast and the false prophet. So THE TWO MEN HAVE TO BE AROUND AT THE 2ND COMING OF THE LORD. That's according to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10. You going to call Paul a liar too? Because you believe your beliefs are better than what's in the Bible? GET OUT MY FACE.
@TheIsraelite7777 Look, You acting with full of hate, that is not good at all... Now, You probably also believe in FALCE HELL Doctrine, Do You? I am not calling YAHUSHUA lier, but I surely call You DECEIVED. Rapture WILL TAKE PLACE and You will be left with Tears. Then YOU WILL KNOW. And by the way, Hear what God od Israel YAHUWAH saying to Our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com
I'll post the scriptures here. Then we'll see who is lying.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:5-8 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Like I said before, Paul states here that the Antichrist has to be around AT THE 2ND COMING OF THE LORD. That means the Antichrist has had his reign. How is Christ going to destroy the antichrist if he hasn't even reigned on earth yet? MAKES NO SENSE. Your doctrine does not line up with the Bible. Now i'm going to post what Jesus said. Then I'm going to post the scriptures you people like to you for the rapture.
@TheIsraelite7777 Look, believe what You want IT WILL HAPPEN. You Do not want to know the Truth, You want that You will be right, yet You will not be right because You are already deceived... Last trumpet is as I wrote before is: FEAST OF TRUMPETS. Yiou want tribulation? You surely have it! Yes, You want to stay during this time here in earth? Do not worry Your wishes will be fulfilled because even now You twisting scripture and making mistakes that will lead to refinement... Regards.
Matthew 24:29-30 (King James Version) 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
You keep saying i'm deceived, but you have yet to show me any scriptures. Jesus says here in matthew 24:29-30 that only AFTER THE TRIBULATIONS will his 2nd coming happen. Now that's from the master himself. You keep on ranting about a secret rapture, you might as well call the master a liar. I doubt you would want to do that, cause you'll condemn yourself in the process, also making yourself look like a big hypocrite, claiming to follow the Bible, and then call it a lie.
Now we are going to examine the so called rapture scriptures.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (King James Version) 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It says with a trump of God, is when Jesus will descend from the heavens. What trumpet is this referring to? the only trumpet that's going to happen. THE LAST TRUMPET JUDGMENT. That's the last judgment for the great tribulations. I'll prove that right now.
Revelation 11:15 15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (King James Version) 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Again Paul mentions the last trumpet. Give it up man, with that stupid rapture doctrine. You are finished! You have no scriptures left to use for your so called rapture theory.
Isaiah 26: 19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
No, this scripture is talking about the wilderness where Jesus told us to flee to in Matthew 24. See you obviously know nothing about the Bible. You've taken a couple of scriptures to support your stupid false rapture doctrine. You going to call Jesus a liar? Cause nowhere in Matthew 24 did Jesus say he was coming to rapture the church. He said that AFTER THE TRIBULATIONS, will his 2nd coming happen. That's according to Matthew 24:29-31.
Sorry, but You deceived... Rapture will take place in this year. Rapture is a symbolic Feast of Trumpets, just as Passover - YAHUSHUA crucifiction, Feast of unlevened bread - YAHUSHUA resting, Feast of First Fruits - YAHUSHUA risen, Pantecost - YAHUSHUA Sending Holy spirit. Yes, what is left is Feast of Trumpets - Rapture, Atonisment day - YAHUSHUA return to earth, Feast of Tabernacles - 1000 years - Great Day - Eternity with YAHUSHUA. So, it is Biblical and those against it are - LIERS. Regards
Rapture is in the Bible! Caught up in Greek is Harpazo and in Latin Rapturo which is where we get our word rapture from. Caught up, gathered, in the clouds, meet our Lord in the air. Sounds like a supernatural event to me!!! When we get transformed into our celestial bodies, to have the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven to return with the saints to establish the millenium kingdom. Perfectly lining up with the last (7th) trump and the sequence of Revelation 11 and 19. Very Biblical!!!
@Ramohog but thats the 7th trumpet, after first six!!! so we WILL go thru trib b4 we outta here, thats IF we make it pass the 4 horsemen n other wild stuff coming our way n happening now!!! i think we ight get called up b4 Gods tribulation, but we will go thru devils trib, including the mark!!!!
@infadel13 Yeah pre-trib is definately a deception. We need to overcome and endure, so we won't take the mark and be deceived by the strong delusion, and we surely need to be spiritually ready and prepared!
This vid completely denies that it will happen, which to my opinion is another deception.
I believe 'endure to the end' is aimed at tribulation converts as their salvation is partially works based contrasted to our provision in this dispensation of grace.
Having that wrong at lesson beginning blows subsequent teaching.
NCV-Matthew 24:23 - God has decided to make that terrible time short. Otherwise, no one would go on living. But God will make that time short to help the people he has chosen.
That is clear that His chosen will be going through this terrible time, but He will make it short for their sake.
begins at the placing of the abomination of desolation and continues for exactly 1290 days, 42 months, or 3 1/2 years or in the middle of the week,1/2 week.(see also Rev 12:6, 13:5; Dan 7:25, 9:27.Saints are taken away a the end of 1,200 days which leaves 75 days of God's wrath upon the wicked
Gwiz1280 1 week ago
I will have to break this up a little it all won't fit.If you read Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
What I was taught was that the reign of the Antichrist and his persecution of God's people begins at
Gwiz1280 1 week ago
Part 7: Finally, Mat 24 is not talking about the 2nd advent. The word "Coming" in Mat 24:3 is the Greek word "Parousia" which is the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to RAISE THE DEAD, hold the last judgment (REWARD THE SAINTS), & set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God which is a process that will lead up to the 2nd Advent and Millenium. Bottom Line: we don't all have to die to get to heaven, this is the mystery of 1Cor 15:51-52 and the meaning is LITERAL.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 6: I understand that we don't stay in heaven forever as many think...We reign with Christ on earth for the Millenium so there has to be a 2nd advent.....however, the word "coming" does not always apply to the second advent....this word is used interchangeably to also describe the Resurrection/Rapture event. When Jesus returns we will be with him...Every believer regardless if they died or not as per 1 Cor 15:51 "We shall not ALL sleep". How do we get THERE w/o being raptured?
murci422 1 week ago
Part 5.1 (Cont'd) Is it righteous of God to punish His own with the wicked or have you never read the parable in Mat 13 of the Wheat and the Tares? It calls to mind how Jesus gives details of his intentions in this parable in Matthew 13 where he specifically says in this verse, that He will tell the angels to (gather) the WHEAT into (MY BARN)...Last I checked...God dwells in Heaven....so I think believers will be "Flying Away" after all...ma'am w/ all due respect...you've got it twisted.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 5: Now...here is something to consider: for a fact the Wrath of God/Day of the Lord will last no less than 5 months...but probably much longer as per Rev...If Rom 5:9 and 1Thes 5:9 are true, then where on EARTH can we go to in order to excape God's wrath? Even more importantly, how can we be in heaven at this time (for rewards) as per Rev 11:18 if we ain't there?
murci422 1 week ago
Part 4.1 (Cont'd) In other words, the Day of the Lord is the same as (The End), its the same as The Wrath of God....and it's on the same day as the Resurrection and Rapture....this is why the language is so strong....its a paradigm shift on sin and godlessness in order to set up the millenial kingdom of God.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 4: At around 11:50 you talk about the Day of the Lord. While I won't say that the Day of the Lord is the Rapture/ Resurrection event, I will say that The Day of the Lord & The Resurrection/Rapture occur back to back , ON THE SAME DAY. Romans 5:9 & 1 Thes 5:9 both tell us that we are NOT appointed to suffer WRATH. Whose wrath? not Satans wrath, which is why followers of Christ get persecuted, but believers are not appointed to suffer GODS Wrath which is also why beleivers are raptured.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 3.4 (Cont'd) the word for "cut short" means (Mutilation) in the Greek. The idea is through amputation, hence "cut short". In other words...The days of Believers being Persecuted and or put to death will be "cut short" by an event called the Rapture. This would be necessary to take believers away completely out of reach of the Antichrist and his followers. Matthew 24:22 tells us WHY this event is necessary...b/c they would render believers EXTINCT on the earth. Thats how bad it gets
murci422 1 week ago
Part 3.3 (Cont'd): The indication of times getting so hard on the BELIEVERS is prevalent in Matthew 24. Mat 24:22 tells us WHY those days are (cut short/stopped suddenly) with the Resurrection/Rapture event.....Specifically for those believers who are still alive being persecuted and facing death...Mat 24:22 says: "if those days had not been (cut short), no one would survive." In context, no (believers) would survive.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 3.2 (Cont'd): In other words, the ppl in Mat 24:13 are ALREADY SAVED. They have to stand firm in their faith during the hard persecuting times. They are being persecuted & even put to death b/c they are believers in Christ as per Mat 24:9 where it says WHY they are being persecuted & killed hence (b/c of me = Christ) in verse 9 & this is why they must ENDURE to (the end).
murci422 1 week ago
Part 3.1 (Continued): Matthew 24:13 "He who stands firm to (the end) will be saved." Salvation does not come by standing firm....this is NOT what the verse is teaching. The bible in general does not teach multiple paths to salvation....only ONE & I assure you salvation by endurance is the WRONG answer!!! So what is Matthew 24:13 saying? (The End) is the time of the Ressurrection&Rapture....& IMMEDIATELY after this is the End...or The wrath of God or The Day of The Lord =same event same day.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 3.0: This lady has misunderstood Matthew 24:13 where it says: but he who stands firm to (the end) will be saved. At around 6:06 you say souls are at stake here...then you teach Mat 24:13 in gross error. Standing firm in times of trouble NEVER gave salvation to ppl...and NEVER will. What your saying is that there is ANOTHER way to have salvation by Enduring hard times....This is heresy...Its the Gospel that saves, The Blood, and Faith to believe in Jesus's death burial and Resurrection.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 2: This lady doesnt understand that the Rapture & Resurrection happen back to back as per 1 Cor 15:51-52...Resurrection is the dead being called up...& the Rapture or "Catching Away" is the living being called up AFTER the dead as per 1Cor 15:51-52....& this passage in Cor is VERIFIED by 1 Thes 4:16 which (AGAIN) pertains to the DEAD=Resurrection & verse 17 The LIVING=Rapture w/ a gathering point being mentioned in detail: will be CAUGHT UP w/them in the CLOUDS to meet the Lord in the AIR.
murci422 1 week ago
Part 1: This lady is confused. She is picking & choosing what can only be believed by (Faith) to begin w/. So she didnt choose to believe in the Rapture....umm Ok, thats her choice but then at around 13:36 she wants to be a part of the Resurrection. ROFL...Whats the difference between the Rapture & the Resurrection? The Resurrection is the "Fly Away" doctrine for the "Dead" in Christ....it takes MORE faith to believe in the DEAD flying away than the Living who fly away (The Rapture).
murci422 1 week ago
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If the whole Tribulation is not the WRATH OF GOD why does the Book of Revelation at the beginning of it say: "And ... every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from THE WRATH OF THE LAMB: for THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" (Revelation 6:15-17; cf Isaiah 26:19-21)
RealWorldNewsOrg 5 months ago
The Rapture of all living believers, and the resurrection of the dead bodies all believers whoes spirits are now in heaven with Jesus will occur before the 7 year Tribulation. Jesus will return in the clouds with their spirits and will raise their bodies and rejoin the two, and RAPTURE or catch us up to be with Him forever. This is a firmly established doctrine in God's Word. (Matt 24:36-42; 1 Cor 15:51-52; 1 Thess 4:13-18; 2 Thess 2:1-3; Rev 4:1)
RealWorldNewsOrg 5 months ago
@RealWorldNewsOrg 7 yr. tribulation is a huge mistake of words. there is no evidence that the tribulation/persecution of the saint will be for 7 years in duration..I submit to u that u are confusing the 70th wk of Daniel which is 7 yrs long w/ how long the saints will be persecuted. Nowhere does Dan call his 70th wk "tribulation" furthermore, the tribulation will be "cut short" as per Mat 24:22..& Daniels 70th wk can NOT be cut short as per Dan 9:24 "70 (7's) are DECREED" ,it cant be shortened.
murci422 1 week ago
@RealWorldNewsOrg (plz see my post to Guiz)....the 7 yr trib is horrible terminology...it confuses dan's 70th wk which is 7 yrs long w/ how long the saints will suffer persecution & there is nothing in the bible that says the saints will be pressed for 7yrs in duration. Dan 11:36 says that Antichrist "will be successful until the time of his wrath is completed" but it does not tell us how long he will cause the saints to endure persecution before the rapture occurs.
murci422 1 week ago
Our word "RAPTURE" comes from the Latin verb "RAPIO" meaning "to seize and carry off," transport, remove, etc. It is the popular word used for the event recorded in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. There is says, "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them [Christians who have died] in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." The Greek wordused in God's Word was "HARPAZO" (cf. Revelation 12:5). HARPAZO, RAPIO and RAPTURE all mean the exact same thing, namely, "CAUGHT UP."
RealWorldNewsOrg 5 months ago
But the tribulation is not the wrath of God. The word points out that "God will be with us in suffering like during the days of Rome, many people suffered at the hands of Nero, etc. ? Jesus said in 3 place in the NT that the rapture won't happen until "immediately after the trib. Mk 13:24, Mat 24:29, Luke 21:26
Gwiz1280 8 months ago
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For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.(1Th5:2)---But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.(1Th5:4)--For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1Th5:9). Hey Church, looking at some of these comments, I just wonder how we can justify all the arguing? By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. (John 13:35)
bellyofthesea 8 months ago
sad that lukewarms don't want to go through anything in life but want to be taken out. Whats the point God then should just take out ever sinner once there saved now if that's the case. pre trib rapture, and chirstian zionism is all part of the nwo scheme to destroy there faith. lukewarm has to be vomited out of Jesus's mouth some how if they don't repent and turn like the rest of us.
HelpaCollegeGradout 9 months ago
@HelpaCollegeGradout It is true that there are "weaker" brothers an sisters who have no desire to go through persecution. But what did God ask Cain after Cain murdered Abel.."Where is Abel your brother?" In being His, being in Yeshua, we are to love one another, yes we are our brothers keeper. I'm not here to provoke a riot over pre, post-trib, but to say that you are in good company in either. I've met many who love the Lord who differ on this subject.
bellyofthesea 8 months ago
@HelpaCollegeGradout amen
murci422 1 week ago
If there is a pre-trib rapture to save the Christians, then why did the early Christians have to be tortured and die for their faith? There are many verses that state the rapture will happen at the return of Christ, NOT before. Christ's own word state it; Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24-26.
Also Daniel 8:24 He (Anti Christ) shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.? Or in Daniel 11:35
Gwiz1280 10 months ago
@Gwiz1280 There is certainly a difference between the persecution of man and God's wrath and we (the Church) have not be appointed to God's wrath. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1Th5:9). Unless your interest is in quibbling over hermeneutics, check out who the 24 elders say that they are in chapter 4 and 5 of The Revelation. They sing and tell us that they are THE REDEEMED/ by the blood of The Lamb--BEFORE the Lamb loosens 1 seal
bellyofthesea 8 months ago
@Gwiz1280 Mat 24--Mk 13--Lk 21 are all talking about the same thing & these passages are NOT talking about the 2nd Coming/Return of Christ...They are talking about the Resurrection/Rapture ..the word for "coming" in Mat 24:3 is Parousia (see meaning above) The apostles were asking specifically about the Resurrection/Rapture..The end is Wrath of God. Gods wrath begins after the Resurrection/Rapture.
murci422 1 week ago
@Gwiz1280 Gods wrath does not begin w/ the 2nd advent it begins w/ the resurrection & the rapture..which leads to the Day of the Lord & afterward, the 2nd advent and Millinium etc.
murci422 1 week ago
If Christ "raptures" Christians B 4 the Tribulation, wouldn't he have to apologize to all the martyred Christians who suffered for their faith? The Bible states that except he intervene in the last days, NO flesh would be saved alive,right? Seems to me, Christians WILL be present during the Tribulation?
TheDigitalWeb 10 months ago
So, in the end here is what we are left with.... Jesus is perfect with not one sin.... Paul murdered many many christains then he self proclaimed to be a prophet. You cant follow chrsit who is perfect with perfect wisdom then after this follow paul who was a murderer then belive what he had to say.I say this,if the words are even a little off to what chrsit said then you cant follow it at all.Follow perfect chrsit, or follow a murderer, its all up to you in the end.
mystic81006 10 months ago
As far as any rapture idea? this is all from paul to decive his people into thinking on his words.Many people truly beleived he had chrsit on his side but most forget he was already a murderer, he murdered many many christains before he became a so called chrsitian, most all true christains at the time left paul for his fauls teachings and this is true history.To me this sounds like he was trying to be forgivin for his actions for murdering, so he lied that he meet god with no proff of it.
mystic81006 10 months ago
That's deep. But how can a loving god who loves us so much send us his children to burn eternally just because we were off on one little thing. This is what I asked myself. Mans written word and the english language is causuing a lot of problems. If god wanted us to know his word y didn't he just write it on the sun so that way there wont be anh question. The truth is hard to swallow. How bout if all we've ever believed was an invention of man?
lovelycars1 10 months ago
@lovelycars1 If a person was ever gods son or as you put it his child then this person would walk as jesus did or at least try to. There is no where where it says we go burn eternally just because we were off on one little thing. If you love god then you would love his commandments, if this is so then you would love to follow them, if this is so then you will not burn, plain and simple.my point is jesus said if you want to walk in the kingdom then be better then the scribs and pharicies.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@lovelycars1 As for the invention of man, men are not smart enough to make up something as the holy scriptures all through out time. Now a couple here and there, well, no, paul tryed it, and failed.look how off his stuff is to the truth,Im convinced his word was not from god and if so we see how a true man of gods words are so much diffrent from a man who was just trying not to fell guilty for murdering christains.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@lovelycars1 And yes my friend, the truth is hard to swallow, but easy at the same time, its simple to be perfect, its a choose, but its impossible if gods does not go into your heart to change you into a perfect person and show you how easy it is. But christ taught us how to be perfect, its in scripture.give to all that askes, love those that hate you.becouse even gods love the ones who hate him. are perfect example is god.Only chrsits words are true and valed but gods to.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@lovelycars1 In case, You want the Truth... There is no Hell as humans imagine. Yes, Bible do NOT Support this. Lake of Fire is real and will be used for destruction (anihilation), but NOT for eternal torment. Hell doctrine is FALSE. I can prove it IF You want, i.e. I will sent one analysis about this subject, then You will see.
And by the way, God of Israel YAHUWAH is speaking to Our generation by His chosen prophets: TrumpetCallofGodOnline . com ; Hear Him...
Best Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@mystic81006 STOP BLASPHEMING Apostle PAUL! READ THIS: Letter called "Discernment" in TrumpetCallofGodOnline . com website. HEAR WHAT GOD OF ISRAEL YAHUWAH SAYING REGARDING PAUL... REPENT and have forgivness or Forebear and suffer...
Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII BLASPHEMING Apostle PAUL? really? a murderer of christains,you talk as he is your chrsit? There is onLY one way to the kingdome, and that is christ not paul. He was never ever any Apostle to the true god so why do you love his words so much, becouse he says its ok to sin as long as you ask for forgivness? But god himeself said I never change. God neve3r said anything about paul but what paul wrote himeself, to me he is a lier.to repent is to not ever do it agien.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 Read what I wrote, i.e. what is written in letter. It is YAHUWAH word not mine... All what I have to do I done - You already got message. Now it is Your own responsibility to do what is right or decide to go after that deceiver called satan and fight against YAHUWAH word... Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII what fruits do you see, concerning My servant, Paul? HE WAS A MURDERER, THAT THE FRUITS, PROVING THIS SO CALLED FAKE LETTER IS A FAKE AND NOT FROM GOD.gOD DOES NOT GO TO MURDERES THEN CALL THEM AS DISIPLES THEN SAY THERE FRUITS ARE GOOD,LOL. YOU ARE BLIND ALL THE WAY.
HERE IS ANOTHER ONE BLIND ONE...And also kept My Commandments in and by My name
YOU SHALL NOT KILL IS ONE OF HIS COMMANDMENTS, SO HE BROKE THIS ONE WITH HIS OWN ADMITNESS.sO THIS IS A FAKE OR GOD IS A LIER
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 Hate will not help at all... You can hate the Truth, but that will not change the fact that Truth is the Truth... Yes, Paul WAS murderer, but he was forgiven. And do not try to say that You are not a murderer because when You hate someone You automatically making this sin. And by the way, David also was responsible for slaughter of many people... Is he is not forgiven? Anyway, You are blind to see now, but do not worry during great tribulation Your eyes may see... Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII I dont hate the truth nore hate you nore any one else at that matter, but I do know the truth, and I will aways defend it and stand by it.Who do I hate? Who do you charge me of hate with? paul? becouse I love paul, I dont love his words nore his writings but I do love him as a brother. Just becouse I dont agree with you nore him at all and never will , I will still will enter into the kingdom ,this does not mean I hate him nore you, I love you with all my heart.jesus only saves.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII My point here has only been we never needed paul to get into the kingdom, jesus already told us everything we needed to know in the first place. There was never ever anything extra needed to know to get into the kingdom my brother or sister.Everything needed is all what jesus spoke, not paul, he had nothing to do with any saving of anyone. So even if he was a profit when in turn he was not it would have never really even matered to any one any where.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 Look, I not judging You in any way, I just stating that during Your whole life at least one time You hated someone and that means that You, as well as I, are murderer... You are right that for us is enough to have YAHUSHUA teachings, yet why reject His Gifts - more information? The problem is not that You using only YAHUSHUA words as way of life, but that You rejecting YAHUWAH word in Bible (paul situation) and these letters (actually You do not need them, but it is a gift). Cont..
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@mystic81006 Refinement and staying in earth during the great tribulation by no means mean that You will not be saved if You already elected to be saved, i.e. that sheep of YAHUSHUA which is given by YAHUWAH... Look, I advise You to ask with all sincerity YAHUWAH to show You the Truth in YAHUSHUA name. Please do it for Yourself. And read that letters, study them, compare with bible teachings. Do not reject them without reading them or You will have to stay here during tribulation... Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII We all will be here in the tribliation my good brother or sister, I say this with nothing but love to you, All the elect will be gathered together in the last days to be seperated from the goats and the sheep. The sheep will be given there reward and so will the goats.If some are taken away during thease times then they will miss out on the rewards, so You have to understans in my mind we all will be here, no where does it say we wont in the book of daniel or in jesus words.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 I know its A hard thing to swallow and I am sorry for this but that is the truth, the only scripture jesus says anything remote is one will be standing there and the other will be gone, well this can mean many things, death even, no one know for shure, but I hold true to only chrsits words, this way there is no mix up with mans words and chrsits words, this can be very dangress thing to do on your part.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 Well, I am brother... Now, not ALL of us will be here. Yet I believe that I will have to stay here... Yes, pre-tribulation rapture will take place. You can chose to not believe this, but when this take place know that You was wrong and not everything is lost. Just Repent then. Remember this. Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII Not beliving in the rapture is not a sin so there will be no need to repent,its fun to talk to you. I see you are led my man more then god, this is a sad thing to see, you belive in mans teachings more then gods or chrsits, this is not a charge to you just a observastion.Sin is nothing more then not following the comandments of god,nothing more, nothing less. If you keep telling people to repent for things that are not sin you will scare people away from god.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 You are wrong... I not following man, I follow YAHUSHUA and YAHUWAH, yet not in such way that I would like to... YAHUSHUA sheeps hear YAHUSHUA voice and follow Him... You do not have to believe in rapture, that is right, yet it is Biblical Truth and IF You fighting against it what this makes You? Person who rejecting the Truth, even word of YAHUWAH... This is a sin, my brother, and great one... That is what happened to pharisees... You better research everything. Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII I do hear his voice and follow it his comandments, Now if you are telling me you also hear his voice but do not follow his comandments you are also lying. As its writen by who my brother? jesus that is they follow my comandments then I will send the holy spirit to them and guide them and teach them all things. I follow all of the comandments do you? I tell you this right now, if you do not follow all of them and just ecsept your self as not perfect then you dont hear the lord.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII I dont live my life on a simple letter that might be gods, But I live my life by the truth of chrsit who dies on that cross, all of his words, no one elses. And if you say you hear and follow a voice that tells you to follow also man, you do not hear the true god, for paul was just a man.As far as the raptue as Biblical Truth , its not writen the way you think ti is meant to be read is all.Im telling you we bolth do not follow the same voice, we bolth can not be right here.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII If people think everything is a sin then most people will not follow god, we need to teach people how easy it is to follow the comandments of god. This way people will see how easy it is and there faith will grow.Its easy not to son and be perfect. its easy not to murder, its easy not to lie, its easy not to comitt adultry, and only thease comanments, the ten, are sinfull if not followed.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII And IM telling you this, if the voice you follow is not the truth of gods, then we are not brothers.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 Do not worry we are, yet Your self righteousness and pride make You blind, so You are sheep that clearly do not recognize the voice of YAHUSHUA... Just remember to not accept mark of the Beast - probably RFID chip. In general, I should see You after the great tribulation in YAHUSHUA kingdom IF You will be disciplined during tribulation and not take mark of the beast and I myself will not fall... Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII I am not self righteousness nore pridefull, If you only really knew me, just becouse my words sound pridfull I am not, as for being blind, no.I know the voice if my father who created this univerce and always will.As far as being self righteousness? In any of my words that I wrote what ones make me self righteousness? Is it the fact that I say I dont sin? Becouse like I said this is easy to do, even for you, Or becouse you have to follow the comandments to recieve the spirit?
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII Becouse im not using my own words there, Im using christs words there when I say you will not recieve the spirit of truth unless you follow them.So How am I self righteousness ??
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII bro a microchip is not the mark of the beast....its whats sealed in your mind if you believe any false doctrine like the rapture then you will worship satan when he pretends to be Yeshua
mr44doom 10 months ago
@mr44doom IF You do not know then better keep silent. RFID chip is definitely the mark of the Beast. Rapture also will take place. You probably even believe in false hell doctrine... Well, believe what You want that will not change anything. I agree with You with that forehead = symbolism of thoughts and hand = symbolism of actions. But all this things reduces to DO NOT LOVE THIS WORLD OR YOU WILL GET MARK OF THE BEAST - RFID CHIP. Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII no i dnt believe in this false hell with demons and pitch forks...ALL SOULS go to paradise your either on one side of the gulf or the other...get real guy your speaking with zadok!
mr44doom 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII bro i do know what im talkin about and read the bible chapter by chapter verse by verse plus reading the original manuscripts over and over....so believe what you want...what dont you get about the whole fact the Yeshua returns at the seventh trump and satan comes at the 6th...who knows your prolly a kenite hahaha....read ezkiel 13...have fun with your fly away doctrine
mr44doom 10 months ago
@mr44doom IF You read it all at all, then You done it very not careful... Stop praising Yourself and Research: FEAST OF THE TRUMPETS symbolism. And stop deceiving others!... RFID chip is definitely the mark of the beast. Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@mystic81006 bro your just all over the place caught up in babylon...which is sad..and you my friend already have the mark of the beast for you will worship satan when he comes as Yeshua claiming that he going to the church...and i know this for a FACT...I read the bible front to back while reading the original manuscripts with their orignal meanings...but you love traditions of men not the WORD of God...how dare you question Gods reasoning for using Brother paul he was a sinner just like u
mr44doom 10 months ago
@mr44doom I worship who?????? right, I reject all things from this earth and you say I worship satan,lol,lol.I choose not to sin, we all make the choose, you make up lies saying none of us are perfect when in turn jesus comanded people to sin no more. Just beouse you are cought up in the lie of its impossible to sin no more does not mean you are serving god. If you ever onced loved god, you would also love his comandments more then your faimly. So this said who serves who?
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mr44doom Daniel bowed down to god every single day three times a day, he fasted for weeks, he 100 persently loved god and proved it. My point to you is this, in this day and age peoples conceptions of god are way diffrent then they used to be. And now I have a sin lover telling me we all are siners,lol, OK, IN WHOS EYES, YOURS OR GODS, FOR IF YOU FOLLOW ALL OF HIS COMANDMENTS ARE YOU STILL A SINNER? OR ARE YOU CONSIDERED PERFECT? THIS IS NOT YOUR DESISION TO JUDGE, ITS ONLY GODS.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mr44doom This was my faverat one here, but you love traditions of men not the WORD of God, I hate traditions of man, hate them and this is why I dont follow paul as paul was just a man, I only follow christ, thank you.And If I where to use your concept on this issue then why dont you follow me? I also follow chrsit as paul claimed, but you reject me as a brother, I love christ, follow him, read his words, praise him, bow down to him every day and you scorn me as a brother.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 of course i love you bro but i wont stand idle while you er....YVHV himself stop paul on the Road to damascus and thus saul wass changed to paul...if you dnt follow his writings then you will worship satan...point blank period! who are you to Judge....for david himself was a murder but he turn to the almighty God and thus we have the book of palsms...so you might as well throw tht out to...dnt you see your erorr brother your not a judge. if yeshua saw paul fit then HE IS
mr44doom 10 months ago
@mr44doom Yes, I underastand paul himeself wrote this, no one else, so to say we follow his writing and his claims to are another matter.I will never ever worship satan and I dont know where you are getting this from, they can cut my head off before I prasie any one but the true god.I dont follow men period, I dont folow paul nore david. I dont follow man.Only paul said jesus forgave him, no one else, there is the problem, you follow his writings that he wrote about himeself, dont you see that??
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mr44doom Its not error not to follow a man, And if you say it is you dont follow christ my brother, thease all where just pauls words about himeself and what he thought was god and there is no proof at all any where that he did ever meet god, or any angles or jesus. All I need to enter intot eh kingdom is christ, nothing else, nothing. christ came, told us how to live, then died on the cross, then that was that, we never needed paul to enter in to heavin. if you think we do you are in error.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII One more, form jesus christs own mouth
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven
Was paul forgiven, Im shure of it, but was he a true profit of christ and god, no, im shure of this also.If this letter was true and valid and proven to the church it would have been included in the bible, but its not.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 So next time you charge some one with a hate crim please make shure they really hate that person, plus I would love to point one thing out, if you hate your brother, you are guilty of murder, but there is one problem with this, not every one is your brother in chrsit or god. Only true children of god are our brothers, is paul really a true brother? this is yet to be determend.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII I will never belive a website over jesus christ, his words where simple and plain and needed no interpitation but from what he gave.His own interipations where good anouph, so there was never ever any reason for paul to come on the sean in the first place.He has never saved anyone, he cant, its impossible,Do you think its sin for me to talk this way? Was paul god? was paul jesus? no, he was not, nore did he ever meet god nore jesus in his life im shure of it.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@mystic81006 i dnt need paul but i need pauls writings to guide me...but you have made your bed and you will sleep in it.... you have no clue what is at hand you will be lost and you will worship satan through your ignorance
mr44doom 10 months ago
The only verce widely used to prove any rapture is a verce paul wrote, this is that
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
problem, paul was just a man who in turn made many many refrences to many things that never mached up with chrsits words, SO, YOU EITHER BELIVE IN CHRSIT, OR YOU BELIVE IN PAUL, JESUS NEVER SAID THIS, PAUL DID AND THAT IS THE DECEPTION, I FOLLOW ONLY CHRIST, PAUL CANT SAVE ME NORE CAN HIS WORDS.
mystic81006 10 months ago
@sweepu absolutely!
ChristoRedentor777 10 months ago
Wow, the rapture is in the bible. It is
sweepu 10 months ago
@sweepu No its not
mystic81006 10 months ago
These are a couple of things anyway. however, there are more that i might address later. @scientist I love that isaiah scripture, i tend to forget it when discussing this matter...
ChristoRedentor777 10 months ago
i agree with scientist on this. the creator of this vid seems to be terribly misinformed in several instances. As pointed out in an earlier post, Hal Lindsay is not an author of the left behind series, that would be Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. Also, pre-trib rapture believers know or should know that the harpazo and the second coming are two entirely different happenings. The latter happens before the 70the week of daniel, and the second coming concludes that 7 year period.
ChristoRedentor777 10 months ago
@MrReporter911 Good comment. Best Regards and May YAHUWAH Bless You.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
The theory doesn't mean that people will disappear and be saved from the antichrist; it says that we will be saved from God's wrath. I'm just saying...
5to22a 10 months ago
Amen. They are deceived so bad they don't even know it. And it's going to be even worse when the Antichrist reigns. Satan is going to successfully deceive the whole entire world into worshiping the beast.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
By the way, my Brother, after I wrote to SEK4110, i.e. wrote the same text that I wrote here, she blocked me... So research about rapture event in more detail and do not trust nor her, nor me. READ BIBLE. Best Regards and may YAHUWAH Bless You.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
You are a liar. Know why? Cause NOWHERE in the Bible does it even mention a rapture. Christianity has been around since 34 AD. Guess when the rapture doctrine was created? 1802 AD. So for 1700+ years, nobody even know about a rapture. Use logic. While you are going to be waiting on a rapture, the tribulations is going to be done started. Then they are going to come to house, and round up you and your family. Then, I guarantee you are going to take the mark because you scared.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
Isaiah 26: 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
To sum up, RAPTURE EVENT surely will take place and is BIBLICAL TRUTH.
Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
Paul even backed Jesus' up saying that until CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN, the Lord cannot come back. The antichrist has to take the throne and he has to reign. Cause when Jesus makes his 2nd coming, he is going to destroy the beast and the false prophet. So THE TWO MEN HAVE TO BE AROUND AT THE 2ND COMING OF THE LORD. That's according to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10. You going to call Paul a liar too? Because you believe your beliefs are better than what's in the Bible? GET OUT MY FACE.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@TheIsraelite7777 Look, You acting with full of hate, that is not good at all... Now, You probably also believe in FALCE HELL Doctrine, Do You? I am not calling YAHUSHUA lier, but I surely call You DECEIVED. Rapture WILL TAKE PLACE and You will be left with Tears. Then YOU WILL KNOW. And by the way, Hear what God od Israel YAHUWAH saying to Our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com
Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
I'll post the scriptures here. Then we'll see who is lying.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
2 Thessalonians 2:5-8 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
Like I said before, Paul states here that the Antichrist has to be around AT THE 2ND COMING OF THE LORD. That means the Antichrist has had his reign. How is Christ going to destroy the antichrist if he hasn't even reigned on earth yet? MAKES NO SENSE. Your doctrine does not line up with the Bible. Now i'm going to post what Jesus said. Then I'm going to post the scriptures you people like to you for the rapture.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
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@TheIsraelite7777 Look, believe what You want IT WILL HAPPEN. You Do not want to know the Truth, You want that You will be right, yet You will not be right because You are already deceived... Last trumpet is as I wrote before is: FEAST OF TRUMPETS. Yiou want tribulation? You surely have it! Yes, You want to stay during this time here in earth? Do not worry Your wishes will be fulfilled because even now You twisting scripture and making mistakes that will lead to refinement... Regards.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
Matthew 24:29-30 (King James Version) 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
You keep saying i'm deceived, but you have yet to show me any scriptures. Jesus says here in matthew 24:29-30 that only AFTER THE TRIBULATIONS will his 2nd coming happen. Now that's from the master himself. You keep on ranting about a secret rapture, you might as well call the master a liar. I doubt you would want to do that, cause you'll condemn yourself in the process, also making yourself look like a big hypocrite, claiming to follow the Bible, and then call it a lie.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
Now we are going to examine the so called rapture scriptures.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (King James Version) 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
It says with a trump of God, is when Jesus will descend from the heavens. What trumpet is this referring to? the only trumpet that's going to happen. THE LAST TRUMPET JUDGMENT. That's the last judgment for the great tribulations. I'll prove that right now.
Revelation 11:15 15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (King James Version) 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Again Paul mentions the last trumpet. Give it up man, with that stupid rapture doctrine. You are finished! You have no scriptures left to use for your so called rapture theory.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
Isaiah 26: 19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Continued in next post
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
@ScientistALRIII
No, this scripture is talking about the wilderness where Jesus told us to flee to in Matthew 24. See you obviously know nothing about the Bible. You've taken a couple of scriptures to support your stupid false rapture doctrine. You going to call Jesus a liar? Cause nowhere in Matthew 24 did Jesus say he was coming to rapture the church. He said that AFTER THE TRIBULATIONS, will his 2nd coming happen. That's according to Matthew 24:29-31.
TheIsraelite7777 10 months ago
yeah most people dont read the bible although they are more than ready to quote it
curiouscrutiny 10 months ago
Sorry, but You deceived... Rapture will take place in this year. Rapture is a symbolic Feast of Trumpets, just as Passover - YAHUSHUA crucifiction, Feast of unlevened bread - YAHUSHUA resting, Feast of First Fruits - YAHUSHUA risen, Pantecost - YAHUSHUA Sending Holy spirit. Yes, what is left is Feast of Trumpets - Rapture, Atonisment day - YAHUSHUA return to earth, Feast of Tabernacles - 1000 years - Great Day - Eternity with YAHUSHUA. So, it is Biblical and those against it are - LIERS. Regards
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
the audio is intolerable...
d1s3ng4gE 10 months ago 2
Rapture is in the Bible! Caught up in Greek is Harpazo and in Latin Rapturo which is where we get our word rapture from. Caught up, gathered, in the clouds, meet our Lord in the air. Sounds like a supernatural event to me!!! When we get transformed into our celestial bodies, to have the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven to return with the saints to establish the millenium kingdom. Perfectly lining up with the last (7th) trump and the sequence of Revelation 11 and 19. Very Biblical!!!
Ramohog 10 months ago
@Ramohog but thats the 7th trumpet, after first six!!! so we WILL go thru trib b4 we outta here, thats IF we make it pass the 4 horsemen n other wild stuff coming our way n happening now!!! i think we ight get called up b4 Gods tribulation, but we will go thru devils trib, including the mark!!!!
infadel13 10 months ago
@infadel13 Yeah pre-trib is definately a deception. We need to overcome and endure, so we won't take the mark and be deceived by the strong delusion, and we surely need to be spiritually ready and prepared!
This vid completely denies that it will happen, which to my opinion is another deception.
Ramohog 10 months ago
@Ramohog I in no way denied the first resurrection. No not once.
SEK4110 10 months ago
@SEK4110 Who says you did? This is about the way it happens, and Scripture is very clear on how and when.
Ramohog 10 months ago
I don't believe Hal Lindsy had anything to do with the Left behind series. Hal Lindsay is not a false teacher.
leciasun 10 months ago
rapture is a modern heresy.
Solon6633 10 months ago
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cowboys4life956 10 months ago
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i think you are an idiot.
MrRontree 10 months ago
1thessalonians 4, 17-18......God bless you.
Justagrl73 10 months ago
"Except that the days be shortened".. That's right... GREAT upload... Susan KNOWS her Bible.
QueenyCameron 10 months ago 7
I believe 'endure to the end' is aimed at tribulation converts as their salvation is partially works based contrasted to our provision in this dispensation of grace.
Having that wrong at lesson beginning blows subsequent teaching.
AnotherBrotherMark 10 months ago
NCV-Matthew 24:23 - God has decided to make that terrible time short. Otherwise, no one would go on living. But God will make that time short to help the people he has chosen.
That is clear that His chosen will be going through this terrible time, but He will make it short for their sake.
ISENTRY 10 months ago
yuuuuuuuuup 1st comment
nluc1 10 months ago