I had this experiences, too and I have the feeling he is talking about Astralprojektion. I hope i undrstood everything right- english is not my motherlanguage.
@KlanMan800 ooh, so close! one more A and you'd have had a palindrome there! I think what you might have meant was “BWAAAHAAAHAA!”… as the bw at the beginning and the exclamation point closer, makes it clear that you are laughing, and not just gasping during an asthma attack… unless you are having one. Are you okay? Sorry, I’m compulsively trying to help people, even in how best to laugh at me… unless your laughing at my little buddy Denis, ‘cause that aint allowed.
@bugsbunny159 Consciousness is a spectrum, with dreams and wakefulness as two of many regions within it. It is not one-dimensional however, as the wave of consciousness also has an amplitude. Whether STEs occur at a dream frequency or an alert one, their amplitude is still higher and their waveform more resonant with reality. I don’t know what frequency Denis was experiencing this through, but it was definitely of a higher and more resonant power than the ‘normal’ mindset.
@adamdavidsson I’m sorry adam, but are you trying to actually say something? I don’t want to jump to any conclusions, but are you implying that my friend Denis was on acid at the time of his STE? If this isn’t what you mean, then please clarify. If this is what you mean, then I can assure you that you are wrong and I advise that you check your facts before making such claims in the future. Thank you and God bless.
@kalalaud You know it! After my NDE, I tried many a tab and other drugs in an attempt to recapture the experience, but none ever came close to the "real" thing. Six (count them 1,2,3,4,5,6) gel tabs of black pyramid in one sitting was the closest that I ever came, but that was pitiful in comparison. After that, I stopped using drugs to bring me back, because I knew that it was futile. Greater clarity can not be found through obfuscating reality further, only by removing the obstructions.
@GoosedByTheLight i just discovered your post here. i have to say that your "6 tab experiment" should not allow you to draw a conclusion about anything other than that substance, at that time, taken by you, in that set and setting. the reason i comment on this is because ive discovered that it is possible to temporarily gain access to the transcendant being via a partnership with very helpful plants. and the repeated exposure to that state is the key to becoming it in a lasting way (vedas, gita
@kalalaud I agree, and I never meant to imply that chemical stimulation is fruitless, nor is “the God helmet” and other electromagnetic stimulators without their own experiential benefits. My intended point was that none of these can be said to be the cause of what has been labeled a “NDE”. Equating a NDE to a transcendent drug trip, is something that is usually only done by individuals who have never experienced either of these for themselves personally.
@kalalaud One can transcend only so far, while still in a physical brain, even in an altered brain. Adding chemicals and fields to the brain can result in lessening our brains ability to emit the illusion, but tends to fall short from removing the brain from the equation entirely. I think that it may be possible to have a NDLE that is triggered chemically, but the drug would then be only be a trigger, and not a literal cause. No offence intended on my part. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
lol well funny, I bet he is laughing in his mind thinking these pricks are actually believe this shit. I wonder how much money he is charging for this seminar!
@sexywomentoesuck I'll take your bet, because I know you are wrong. Like everyone else on this panel (aside from myself, I volunteered instead), Denis actually payed to attend this conference and volunteered to share his story freely. This was filmed at a IANDS conference, not a seminar. Bill and those apearing here shared the stories for free here on YouTube, for the enjoyment and education of all.
@sexywomentoesuck actually, i recognize this guy as a fellow experiencer. you of could not if you have not been there. and i know my telling you that he is being genuine will not and should not turn you into a "believer", but im nevertheless compelled to say im totally convinced you are wrong about the intent of this guy here. this is just based on my experience. im a non-believer in any areana you care to present. direct self-felt experience is the only truth. there is nothing else.
@Kashground "Almost died" has many meanings, and even though you survived as a whole, it does not exclude the possibility that part of you did die... at least briefly and in part. As one who did die in a literal and complete manor, I ask if there was something more than fear that came from your experience? I have several friends who have died figuratively in the context of their ego, and who have returned from this with greater understanding, but were never actually near phisical death.
@GoosedByTheLight all i remember from that shit was being face to face with myself.i was looking at myself.....how the hell is that possible without a mirror?
@Kashground You only need a mirror to see from outside your body if you are still inside your body. Tens of millions of people experienced that perspective of themselves once or many times, with or without being close to death. In my NDE, I trancended to a different plane before I saw my body, but a couple of years later, I had an OBE at a coffee shop momentarily for no reason.
@Kashground I experienced God and returned to Earth, but I can't honestly say that I "saw" God, partly because I had no eyes to see with. I know a few people who don't insist on such distinctions who might claim to have seen an aspect of God, but I can't, and also any aspect of God is not the infinite God. In my estimation, experiencing directly trumps seeing every time for the purpose of believing. I believe I experienced God, but I saw nothing.
@Kashground I should explain. The start of my NDE took place in a dark world without form and void, like in Genesis, but both God and my essence still existed without any form in infinite potential. “The Light” is not God, because God created the light. God needs no form because God existed before all form. For anyone to “see” God, they would see light emanating from form, neither is our Creator. They could however see a representation of God that God could create to interact with them through.
@cosmicman01 That is why I put "see" in quotes, meaning what is commonly called seeing in this world. On the other side however, the term "seeing" could be used, but it would be more accurate to call it sensing. Saying "seeing" leads people to assume that it works like it does here, and in my experience, it doesn't. I grant that "You don't need eyes to see", if you don't mean it literally.
the only thing i want after life is peace, and the sences we have here, sight, hearing etc. if that is what happens haveing a some sort of life or w/e . im so affraid death will be like sleeping. pure black and nothingness. thats so scary even if u cant think in death, i can think of it now.
@twinkstance When I had my NDE, the first thing that struck me was a combination of profound peace, and infinite unconditional Love. The infinite knowledge and understanding, and the connection to everything else were things that didn't manifest until I became accustomed to the peace and Love. The senses that we have here are quite dull in comparison, but if you can get past that, You will Love what awaits you more than you can now know.
i really liked how this guy gave detailed examples of his experience. quite amazing. not sure about the skeptics, but it seems authentic and really enlightening that he can exactly remember talking to the "guide" and asking him all these questions, and then getting answers back - crazy good.
When I had my NDE, I also felt no warmth or cold, or heared any sound for that matter. My entire experience from begining to end was completely silent... but does that mean that I should doubt the authenticity of those who report heavenly music? Are they liars for reporting what I did not sense? Should I instead judge myself for having been further from heaven and less worthy? No, the fact is that every experience is unique, and that at least some of what we sense is related to what we expect.
@dk12553 That would be one word for it… one of many words that utterly fail to capture what it was, but there is no word that is completely accurate. I felt Joy, Bliss, Acceptance, Fullness, Peace, Wholeness, Connection to All, the Essence of Love, Beauty, Serenity, Contentment, Adored, Cherished, Realized, Awake, Aware and Integral to All… and a million other descriptors, all at the same time and to an infinite degree, but even together, they fall short of being accurate.
You may have noticed watching the video that Denis is very rational & logical. Even his guide in this experience recognized this which is why it used words larger & more complicated than necessary to describe things. Denis was aware that the temperature drops as one flies higher, so that is what he experienced. Perhaps it was an illusion of cold in line with expectations, but maybe he opened his senses to feel more to make the experience more "real", even if it was uncomfortable. Most wouldn't.
i think this guy was dreaming. definately do not believe this "really" happened as evidenced by him joking about something that others are truly and deeply changed by. If this happens to you, you do not joke about it.
I'm not going to breach the debate as to whether he was dreaming because that is a matter of belief, and even dreams have a level of reality.
As for his joking on the subject, it really is understandable. He and I were both on that panel at a conference full of experiencers, and the room was full of Love and acceptance. Many NDE accounts seem sober and serious in comparison because they are filmed in a situation where the experiencer is bracing themselves to be judged or rejected.
My vid on this channel is NDE- Looking for Answers, & some who saw it say I should do stand-up. When filmed for a show on the Bio Channel however, I came across as serious & somber. Joy & humor is a more appropriate tone for the message being delivered, but sound checks & worrying about staying in frame on a professional shoot causes much angst. The science minded dismiss us, the religious condemn us, & often our own families disown us, so is it odd that we are often tense and serious on camera?
the devil wants you to think you have had and will continue to have lives but jesus saith this is a lie from the devil just like he gave adam and eve: beware
Using the word "saith" does not actually turn your words into The Gospel of frenchis. If you want to share Jesus' (yeah, it should be capitolized) words then it would probably be best to quote Him. I know that the Bible says that we only die once, but what that actually means is debatable in a paradigm where He gives eternal life... just something to think about. I, for one, make no claim to understand how it all works so I refrain from telling others they're wrong. I won't cast the first stone.
you experienced demonic entertainment : really simple because they keep you in the physical realm and never wanting you to meet jesus: knowledge of the world is enemies of god: read romans: spirit is not limited but the demons want you only to stay there in such knowledge: believe me you did not experience god or truth
I find it both funny & disturbing that you first concede that spirit is not limited, then you procede to limit it from the physical realm. Your point is moot because my friend has had experiences that both trancended the physical world, and even featured Jesus. You apparently know nothing of him or his experiences beyond the ten minutes filmed here, yet your pride moves you to dismiss him and his insight. Judge not lest you be judged my beloved sibling and fellow child of God.
thanks for saying that. When I had my NDE I thank God I was aware of this. When I demanded to see Jesus I was taken out of that spirit world and I woke up from my coma. It was scary stuff - but before my NDE I never really paid much attention to demons - whether they are real or not. I do think it's something to be wary of.
science can't always give the answers to everything somethings are out the question of science like death you don't know what happens until you experience it yourself no one will be able to answer that you can't prove it's the end when you die because you would have to experience it yourself you can;t porve something don't exist unless you have evidence there are somethings which science will never be able to answer
depends what you mean by 'science' though. Usually those who promote scientism demand that a limited method must be applied to experience that is beyond its criteria
So REAL scienctific spirit must expand, and radical empiricism is a good tool to use etc
I agree completely zest. Scientism feels compelled to only address those parts of reality that are manifested in the physical world, which leads to such creations as "dark mater" and "dark energy". They are smart enough to see that they are missing the vast majority of reality, but then they assume that what will balance the equation is something else that is physical but outside of their instruments ability to detect. Science needs a scientist capable of second guessing the axioms to save it.
I have never read any of his books, but from what I have heard of his work, it sounds to me like he is on the right track. I don't think that it is posible to get an accurate picture of the mind without including transpersonal psychology, but the mainstream scientific establishment is reticent to accept it. Science needs to release the belief that the only way to understand anything is in total isolation, which their own quantum physics proves impossible.
Yep, you have pointed out one of the biggest blocks to those who dismiss NDEs shifford, they can never prove it. Proving that something exists can be difficult but it is always possible, while prooving that something doesn't exist is always impossible. When the duck-billed-platypus was discovered, European scientists claimed that it was a hoax. They claimed that pictures and reports where fabricated, and when evidence in the form of one of the animals hides was sent back to England, ... cont.
they claimed that this too was faked. George Shaw (an English botanist and zoologist) even took a pair of shears to the preserved hide looking for where the taxidermist had stitched the duck to the beaver. He was willing to damage the only evidence that he had to proove he was right. Scientists are understandibly reticent to accept the validity of data that challenges their views to the point that they have been known to just ignore it, but they aren't as scrupulous if the data supports them...
I do dissagree with you however with your statement that "science will never be able to answer" to the existance of NDEs. The problem is that the scientists don't want to go to the only place where the expiriment can be performed... death. Expiriments are possible, but beleiving that they know what they will find causes them to dismiss the subject without performing the expiriment even if they have a better than even chance of surviving it. If 10-20% of those who die have a NDE, they... cont.
would only need to stop their hearts about ten times before they would be believable authorities on the subject... until then, they should just share their opinions without authority that they have been trying to pass off as evidence. Until then, they are like Shaw sitting in his wing-back-chair and smoking his pipe back in England, not wanting to go to the other side of the planet to give their opinions any value. This is one platypus who isn't going to hold his breath.
I can vouch for the fact that the truth that is revealed to you in death is inherently of a personal nature. To the end of what you yourself will experience, I advise to keep your options open. Do not jump to any conclusions as to what to expect, because the reality of what you will find will blow your mind. Just be yourself and trust in a love that encompases all. We will not be judged upon our virtues and merits, but upon the limits of our Love for all creation. Live to find more to love.
this dude is full of shit. kinda funny he remembered the entire convo word for word. odds are, grampa has had a few too many brandys. these are the people that give real NDEs a bad rap.
Well Flerg, "grampa" is my friend and he is not one for brandy... though he does like a Guiness every now and then. It is normal for people who have Spiritualy Transformative Experiences (STEs) to remember minute details decades later. He is not the one that is "full of shit", and I'm truely sorry you resorted to the knee-jerk reaction of judging him instead of hearing him because you could have learned a lot. He devotes his life to helping others, especially those of us who had NDEs & STEs..
What makes you think that any of it is exagerated QnA? I know that society trains us to disect things when we are overwhelmed with data, but that causes us to loose sight of the whole and can't work with spiritual experiences which are about relation to the whole. I'm also not sure what you mean by exagerated. My dictionary defines exagerate: To represent (something) beyond normal bounds. To discribe anything that is inherently beyond normal bounds honestly means that it is necesarily exagerated
Yeah Oreoreogirl, tell me about it... he didn't even have to have his body broken to the point of death to get there. He got all the fun and very little of the pain. That's the way to do it!
Check out YouTube "Cosmos-Carl Sagan-4th demension". Carl Sagan, probably Agnostic, did a fine job explaining what may be the after life in tecnical terms.
This guy looks exactly like my ex-neighbor, Ernie. Which is amazing because Ernie was my neighbour 25 years ago and lived several thousand miles away from this guy.
@kalalaud Religion is neither good nor bad. Like any of the tools crafted by Man, its value is not inherent, but how it is used. If religion is used to bridge the gap between humanity and the Devine, and instills a respect for their fellow Man and moves one to Love, then it is good. If religion however, moves one to view religion AS God, and to judge, hate, and condemn their fellow Man, then yes, it is in fact less than bullshit. Please don’t use such blanket logic with so diverse a subject.
@GoosedByTheLight my "blanket" was not just thrown together mindlessly. ive had years and years of experience with all sorts of "religion". my experience is that no religiion posesses any saving grace that would save it from total condemnation by me. there is no good religion because they are all lies, AT BEST. i say this with understanding.
@kalalaud I’ll concede that every religion is flawed and incomplete, that all contain some measure of errors and misunderstandings, and that is even before people start to interpret them. I do, however, also believe that every religion with a spiritual basis, also contains at least a seed of truth. Nurturing that seed can cause our understanding and Love to grow. I did not judge your blanket judgment as thrown together mindlessly, but as over generalized, biased, and unfair.
@GoosedByTheLight heheh.... my hat's off to youtUbe for getting us all talking and THINKING about this! re religion: i suppose there could be something of value in some ideology somewhere, but i figure anything that blandly fills in the "truth" vacancies with its bullshit is always better to avoid. knowing nothing is far better than knowing "what aint so". and i know for certain that nature appreciates honesty and courage to the extent that it will pull innocent souls right into its heart. =]
@kalalaud I agree completely with every last statement from your last post, but I want to focus on two of your points. Knowing is much lauded in both science and religion, but knowing is often the stumbling block to greater understanding. Certainty is static, and excludes the potential for the dynamic growth and expansion of thought. When we think that we “know” something, we stop searching for Truth. As you said “knowing nothing is far better than knowing "what aint so"”. Cont…
@kalalaud But knowing Nothing may actually be required to fully understand everything. The other point… “anything that blandly fills in the "truth" vacancies with its bullshit is always better to avoid”. I agree, and that’s the danger in accepting anyone’s paradigm as the Truth. Whether we are accepting scientific theories or religious doctrines, we should feel free to pick and choose what we accept as Truth. We need to nurture our own understanding, not believe what others know.
I dissagree with your claim for God's non-existence, but I do agree that religion contributes to the world being "fucked". The reason is because religion is not from God, but from humanity. It's a good thing that God doesn't require religion even if religion does require God. Everyone has a different view because God is infinite and NOBODY knows the whole Truth. When people focus on how their views differ, they distance themselves from Truth but finding the similarities gathers us around Truth.
I can only speak for myself bear, but from my encounter with The God of Creation, It doesn't care what version of it we honor, just that we try to establish a loving relationship with it in some sense. The flaw with any religion is that it imposes dogma upon not only the human deciple, but upon the infinite God as well. God is infinite and beyond the limitations that we humans feel more comfortable imposing upon It.
Religion is like spiritual trainingwheels to bring us close enough to truth to drop Religion in favor of spirituality. I don't think that it is a bad thing, so long as we don't become confused into believing that our religion is God's religion. God loves all his children, and their beliefs don't make any difference in the amount of love he shares with them. If our beliefs bring us closer to God and humanity, then they are good. If they devide us from either God or Man, Then they are flawed.
@GoosedByTheLight differing views become trivial upon entering the real "god". i know this absolutely. imagine an infintely large explosion at the center of creation. this is what we are feeling right now, in a very strained way.
@kalalaud I understand, and again agree with your first two sentences… but you lost me in the explosion. I guess I was blown clear of your intended meaning. ;)
Perhaps you could clarify? I just don’t want to assume that I understand, if I don’t, and potentially spiral our exchanges into misunderstandings. Thanks.
@GoosedByTheLight i was just trying to describe my experience of being sucked (vacuumed) into the absolute. it's probably not important to understand me....i was just talking. but one thing id like to get across is just how huge it is, and how unimaginable it is. why do i bother to describe it then? dunno. im just compelled to keep trying.
@kalalaud I think I understand now. I think my difficulty in grasping what you were talking about was due to my perception or recollection of God being very different, or that I have used different words and concepts to describe It. I remember It as an infinite, peaceful, but highly energetic field, that radiated pure unconditional Love to All of existence. I think I see now, how it could be seen as an eternal explosion, but one where peace can be found within. We all seem compelled to share.
@GoosedByTheLight it's a gr8 joy to realize someone else has seen this. i guess im internally hoping that confirmation by others could somehow bring be back to it. but nothing so far has really done it. and the memory is fading so much im feeling a little threatened sometimes by the ignorant thoughts from ignorant people everywhere. especially the religion gangs. they seem to be the ones most willing to lie about this. dogma. it is psychic poison.
@kalalaud Personally, I don’t claim to have “seen” this, in a literal sense anyway. I find sight to be a poor description of how I experienced this field for many reasons, not the least of which is that I had no eyes, and at this point in my NDE, there was no light. Still, I have sometimes used words like “see”, “sight” and “sensed” in my description of It too, because there is no accurate words in our earthly languages for direct experience. All of our words are tied to our mortal senses.
@kalalaud Yea, becoming it, or at least becoming one with it. I don’t tell people that I saw God, as much as I “met with” God… in the most tangible and qualitative sense. Even better perhaps, at least when describing it to Christians at least, is that I “communed” with God. In any case, I know that there is no perfect word or phrase that captures the nature of that Divine experience, and conveying that is the most accurate description possible with the languages available.
@GoosedByTheLight this makes me think of terence mckenna and his effort to "pour english" onto experiences that transcend this english language. he was a masterful artist. ill be listening to his uniquely honest and powerful words for the rest of my life, even though he never directly describes experiencing the complete transcedence that happened to me. maybe im just learning to speak with such skill. seems describing the thing is very important.
@kalalaud Like you said, McKenna never endeavored to capture the truly transcendent, but I still believe that we could still learn something from his trying to describe lesser transcendent realities. The realities that he was focused on may have been closer to our consensual reality than nearly all NDEs, but still, he was dabbling with descriptors which transcended the familiar… even if only slightly. Personally, I would rather explore Jung’s archetypes, but McKenna could be revealing too.
@kalalaud I had heard about this experiment, but I admit that I had never actually researched it in any depth before. After only a few hours of research, It definitely makes me wish that I had tried psilocybin back when I was experimenting to try to recapture my NDE. I’m quite sure that it would have fallen short as all drugs have, but it sounds like a good trip otherwise, that may also have something to offer our understanding of mind as well. Thanks for the pointer.
@GoosedByTheLight one thing to consider is that these tools (plants/flesh of the gods)are our friends and getting to know them over time is better than a one-night-stand. of course, the 1st meeting is a one-night-stand already but we we could make it the start of a real relationship. they have so much to offer us, especially now that the times are so difficult.
@kalalaud I can appreciate the potential in the scenario you present, but the illegality of these substances makes it too risky to return to them often. Until society releases its fear, so that government can relax its stranglehold on liberty, it is largely a moot point for me. I do like what I read about “the Good Friday experiment”, that the participants were supervised and safe, and the study was held in a spiritual setting and not a clinical one. That seems ideal in many ways.
@GoosedByTheLight other countries, where the ppl know what these plants are, still protect their use as tools for enlightenment, regardless of pressure from our numb-skull, violent gang. a google movie you might like: "the man who drank the universe".
@kalalaud I saw part 1 of this video for the first time only about a week ago. I’ve been meaning to go back to it ever since, but I haven’t found the time yet. I find it somewhat comical and somewhat frustrating to see people traveling around the globe, leaving their “free countries”, to have these experiences for themselves. From what I saw of how things were handled in the first part, I cannot imagine how any government could argue that this is a danger to their citizens in general.
@kalalaud That would be fine, so long as I could jump about ten minutes in so that I wouldn’t need to watch the beginning again. Nothing wrong with the beginning, I’m just finding it difficult to find the time as it is. I hope the whole thing isn’t too long. I’ve had people send me links to videos before that were 3-5 hours long, and sometimes these were only presented to argue their point for them, like that everybody but them is going to hell. 5 hours of that? No thanks. Sorry, no correlation.
@kalalaud Okay, if you mean thirty-four minutes and seventeen seconds, I'm in. if you mean 34 hours and 17 minutes, I must ask, why did they use the same editor that the fundamentalist Christians use? lol. I assume the former, so I'll try to get to it in the next 24... that's hours mind you.
@kalalaud Okay. Now I’ve finally seen the whole thing, and aside from him needing to get over John, the rest was profound, and in many ways, beautiful. I wish that such a journey was available to me, but being that I have been out of work for well over a year myself, and hence being deeply in dept, I know that I am likely to die before I could afford such a release from the worries which haunt me. I suppose that I will soon get my own release… though not at my own hands.
@GoosedByTheLight SAME EDITOR???? very strange - he sure doesnt seem to be a christian! there's no way such a sincere human could fit into the crap i call "christian". i know these worries. im currently teatering on the fence between worlds myself. seems no humans are in a position to help me see my way and every one who claims to see or know is at least wrong. that release you mention is the saving grace i hold in my memory as well. ive been ready to shed this rediculous world for decades.
@kalalaud Sorry, I misspoke again… or mistyped anyway. I was sure that the message would be different from the “we and everyone that we Love are going to hell” spiel, but I was just worried about the length being similar. I still consider myself a Christian too, but one from the original spirit focused on God, Love, and Heaven, instead of the common modern version centered on pride, intolerance, and the fear of hell. I hope that you don’t think less of me for this.
@GoosedByTheLight hahahah!! i really consider belief systems to be the victimizers of humans everywhere. "love", "god", "heaven" are real. it's prety evident that christianity is pure plagiarism, tho. the movie "zeitgeist" details ideas that are far more aligned with my experience than anything professed in "the bible". another very sincere effort is "the jesus papers". extremely convincing stuff. once you "know" (experience directly), there is no more use for any belief, faith, etc.
@kalalaud I can relate, but isn’t the belief that “belief systems [are] the victimizers of humans everywhere” also a belief system? Sorry, just playing devils advocate. I should also clarify that though I consider myself a Christian, I belong to no religion… they all belong to me instead. The victimization that you are talking about, stems from consigning oneself to the authority of a religion. I know that God transcends all religions, so I don’t limit my beliefs to one narrow view.
@GoosedByTheLight hehe... yeah, it's my "belief" mechanism working in my favour rather than for the dangerous outer influences, i reckon. "roy of hollywood" once said, at a terence mckenna gathering, "i believe that believing in anything is a waste of the mind". we were talking about the quote "understanding passeth everywhere", indicating the superfluous nature of beliefs in the light of true knowledge based on experience and understanding and the fact that it is possible to know everything.
@kalalaud Sorry, I don’t mean to split hairs, just trying to reduce the all too prevalent misunderstandings on this topic, for others who may read our exchanges. I’m guessing that you know what I mean though. What I found that helps to bring me “back to it”, is indulging that compulsion to keep trying to describe the experience that you mentioned, but also by sharing the Love personally. The meaning in the Universe is not found in its parts, but in how those parts connect and interrelate.
@kalalaud It can be difficult to find people to share the light with, as many are reluctant to hear God’s message unless it comes from one accepted source, and is interpreted by one specific human “authority”. You cannot speak to the deaf, nor share light with the blind. The safest path, and a good place to start for many reasons, is to share first with a sheet of paper… or a ream if you were so lucky as to have had a long STE. This helps to find the best words, and makes a record for review.
@kalalaud Doing this first also helps to solidify your recollection, and personalize it. I only wrote down my own experience for the first time last year, about 14 years after my NDE. Until then, I was always seeing mine in relation to others, comparing and contrasting them, but never really grasping either. I would constantly judge mine related to others, and see mine as lacking because it was brief, and I had no tunnel, review, or nifty quotes from God, or other such messages.
@kalalaud Writing mine down gave me a starting point from which to learn from others. It anchored my NDE as a foundation on which to build my understanding, and since then, other accounts have added to it, instead of contrasting and showing only what mine lacked. Like the seed that is required to grow a crystal, my recollection of my NDE, and my understanding, has grown from this first description. It gave me a context to better understand what others experienced.
@kalalaud Once you centered your own seed of experience, sharing with others will likely be easier and more productive for both parties. They no longer threaten your recollection, as you have your record to remind you. Confirmation by others does indeed help, but I think a big part of that isn’t just in saying that you’re right, but in the personal connection which it forms, and in sharing experiences which are no longer just in an individual. STEs are too big to be contained by us.
@kalalaud At the point when you are ready to share, be selective at first in who you share with. IANDS has local groups throughout the country, and even some internationally, where experiencers can come in person to be with others of like mind. The first time I went to one and described my experience, I was a bit shocked to see the group nodding their heads with recognition and understanding, instead of the quizzical and judgmental looks that I was so used to.
@kalalaud If you’re not ready to actually meet other experiencers in person (it can be hard to talk to others personally after being judged by so many for so long, even when we’re pretty sure that this venue will be different), or if you don’t have a group close enough, there are online forums as well that are better and safer than YouTube for sharing. I’d advise NDE-Space, ACISTE, or any other which also limits access to only experiencers. Feel free to contact me as well, of course.
well after some more research and some redefining of my substance catalog. ive come to the conclusion that yes there are things i cannot explain away through objective analysis. there are things i have experienced but have been to pessimistic to acknowledge. today i can say i have several very vivid lucid dreams all in an attempt to recall what happened the night i was supposed to die. im getting closer and anomalies abound. i just want to thank you guys for opening my mind
Oh joy! I am honestly giddy... but I'm not technicaly talking to geist so I think this is allowed. As I say to noone in particular, it is amazing what sorts of things pop into reality when we relax our deathgrip on what is possible in this world. They are only anomalies in our old way of thinking, but as our acceptance grows, so does our potential! Love, welcome, and thanks to noone in particular.
the differentiation of the gonads into male and female, and how long it takes between the death of an individual and its soul's next rebirth according to the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. I suggest a meta-physical model in which biological, psychological, and spiritual drives or impulses all may exist in a dynamic tension within this spirit gland.
You can't really compare Hallucinogenics with NDE's especially Veridical NDE's, they are both totally different things.
Heather, as you know, I'm up and running on youtube. I just wanted to say to sturmgeist that his explanation doesn't explain the veridical part of my OBE or the clarity and coherence of the experience. Drug-induced (e.g., DMT) experiences tend to be confusional and lack stability. I also was told by my guide to download the memory of the experience to my physical brain to make it accessible to waking consciousness. The instructions were incredibly specific!
well to escape my analytical mind and call upon the memory. through drugs and other experiences ive awakened subconscious otherwise foreign knowledge before. furthermore i am starting to humor the idea that human beings may inhabit this universe in more than one dimension and that parts of our minds are in fact capable of comprehending these additional dimensions under certain circumstances. there was a friend accompanying me just like Atropine but collected as in psilocybin...
In case it wasn't clear, I am the person on this video. A primary reason to conclude that the brain does not generate these experiences is that some people have had them with a flat EEG - and even no activity in the brain stem. Google on "Pam Reynolds", for example. What some quantum physicists are concluding is that consciousness underlies the whole physical universe and is not a mere epiphenomenon - as science previously thought.
If mind is a field effect that is part of the Universal substrate and the mind of an individual is a local spike in that field, then the Mind of God would be the field as a whole. My consciousness is a part of God's consciousness and God's mind is the ultimate level of my own mind... as below so above, if you will. I am a part of God just as God is a part of me, I am the local (in my perspective) while God is the universal. I believe that this feedback is the resonance of spirit.
Being unified with God does not mean becoming God, it means unifying with a fragment of his spirit, a spirit that functions as a faculty within the human mind.
I agree that you cannot become God, because God just is in a never ending, never becoming, never changing eternal instant. It could be argued that we are and always have been God (a microcosm that mirrors the macrocosm), but that too would be off topic. God is ONE, whole in every way. God has no fragments because God cannot be divided. I think that Denis was refering to the FIELD of consciousness being the location of our minds as opposed to our heads. When the brain dies, we still live.
@DenisP159 I want to know more about what you talked about at around 4:40. About the woman on the cloud telling you "this is where you were before you were born and these are the things that will happen." How much of life is planned? I haven't made any life progress due to a 6-year obsession with a girl.
so "something, somehow" put into us the genetic need to validate religion and spiritual experience. Isn´t that a way of saying that something KNEW there is something beyond our realm so it seeded us with the ability to perceive(maybe remember) it ?
simple explanation: Mass DMT trip+sleep paralysis=NDE ive had one and frankly its not all that different from a strong hallucinogenic. everyone will have at least 1-2 in their life times. i suspect the pragmatic reasoning for nature installing this strange phenomena would have something to do with the innate need for religious experience in mankind to give us validation.
I honestly doubt that you have had an NDE geist. If you had, you would know that it is nothing like a drug of any kind. Believe me, I've tried a few drugs as a means to get back to the Styx and none have come close. Your theory about why "nature" installed the NDE is interesting, even if not too original. Do you have a theory as to why so many non-experiencers will use faulty logic and humbug rhetoric to "prove" that the experience is dissmissable? I just keep comming back to thinking it's fear.
If fear is the reason, then it prooves one of three things. (1) Either these skeptics don't get the whole message that is conveyed through NDEs and are too busy arguing to listen. (2) The sceptics are envious that people who they believe are beneath them have accuired knowledge that all their years of study can't match (and their fear keeps them from following the same path of the experiencer). And (3) the poor fools are enslaved completely by their egos. The fearful ego reigns the bitch in.
ive done a number of hallucinogenics, had night time paralysis, and an NDE... all were different yes but with many similarities. after a suicide attempt left me light about 4 pints of blood and with a seven inch scar across my neck i believe i can safely say i've had an NDE. hallucinating i was outside my body surrounded by fog in an amorphic vessel on what i can only describe as a fourth spatial dimension. i saw classic DMT shapes and an entire plane fold into existence. it was interesting...
Not that it's a competition, but I lost a little more than twice the blood that you lost... and yes, I do know how much blood the human body holds. The point is moot if you keep bleeding faster than they can give you transfusions. Four pints might not be enough to kill you, but I would think that it would be enough to cause light headedness and hallucinations. The only reason why I stayed awake after loosing more than that is due to shock and a whole lot of adrenaline in what blood remained.
Well, I really have enjoyed talking to you geist and would like to continue, but a friend of mine has asked me to end this exchange and I'm afraid that I already said that I would. If you want to say anything to me, I'm listening. This isn't a cheap means for me to get the last word and it's not my preference, but my friend's request was motivated by love so I respected it. I only agreed not to post but know that I'm still listening. Peace, Love, and Joy to you little bro.
ill get you a medal hah well thats... impressive? thought my threshold was too much, im just skeptical of my mind to be honest. it sure does give me an assload of incorrect information on a regular basis its hard to trust your senses sometimes let alone metaphysical ones hah. the mind has fascinating abilities of both perception and deception and frankly i don't believe i know enough of psychology to distinguish half of it all.
sturmgeist no disrespect to you at all but have you done any research into DMT at all?
DMT is already in the human body, Rick Strassman stated the following "I speculate about endogenous DMT's role in dreams, meditation, birth, near-death, and death. I suggest that the individual's life-force enters the body through the pineal at 49 days after conception, and leaves it through the pineal gland at death. This 49-day prenatal period corresponds to the first signs of fetal pineal tissue
well im aware of N,N-dimethyltryptamine's indigenous nature but not of the quote. its produced in the pineal gland along with serotonin and melatonin right? interesting theory though
I would like to know this guy's name and how to contact him. I have a well-known pagan website and if he wanted to do more videos or articles, I could post them there for people to see. Or he could just post more videos here on YouTube. I would really like to hear more from him. He is so real and unaffected. Please contact me if you read this message.
Hi Heather, He's a friend of mine but does not yet have a YouTube account. Until he does, you can use me as a go between if you want. I'm going to go out on a limb without his permition and tell you that his name is Denis. I thought that he'd have his account up by now being that he asked me how to do it over a week ago, but I guess that he hasn't. If you'd rather correspond dirrectly, I'm guessing that it wont be tooo long before he logs in.
Thanks! He actually wrote to me a while back and gave me his contact info. He said that
he was "the President of the Los Angeles International Association for Near-Death Experiences. Cheryl and Mary, fellow board members of Laiands and I, hosted the "Lessons from the Light" spiritual gathering at which many of the videos on billsvideos123 were filmed late last year."
Hopefully, he will get his own channel up and running soon because I would love to hear more of his experiences.
O.K., now I'm guessing that I've met you being that I was not only at the conference, but on the same panel as well. I was watchfull at the conference for any "signs" of pagans being present but I must have missed you in that sea of the enlightened... and Uzi. Did you loose the pentacle so as not to spook the straits?
Sorry Steve. I guess you misunderstood my post. Most of that post was a quote from the email that Denis sent to me. Denis is the one who hosted the event, not me. And you probably wouldn't pick me out of a crowd as being pagan. I look pretty normal. I don't have the usual black clothing and hair that you see with witches and pagans. I'm actually more spiritual than pagan but I relate to both paths.
Hi God, it's me Steve. I can understand your confusion but what does a spiritual experience sound like anyway? In my "experience", they tend to be the sort of thing that strips you of all your pre-conceived notions and robs you of all dogma and other artificial defences that can be hidden behind. Maybe this is why I have no problem seeing his experience as spiritual, or maybe it's because I can hear how deeply it moved him. The thing about spiritual experiences is that they are always personal.
That's O.K. 334, we are very protective of our brothers and sisters who still sleep. Rest as long as you need and we'll keep the fires burning. In my oppinion, what he had was at least an OBE and an STE, but I would also classify it as a NDLE (Near Death Like Experience) where it contained existential and trancendant ingredients not normaly found in OBEs. Regardless of how you or I would name it, to him it was a spiritual experience. Sorry, but he gets to veto the votes of all others.
I had this experiences, too and I have the feeling he is talking about Astralprojektion. I hope i undrstood everything right- english is not my motherlanguage.
sasa75light 2 months ago
What a good bloke. I get some good honest vibes from him :)
Stegs85 8 months ago
@KlanMan800 ooh, so close! one more A and you'd have had a palindrome there! I think what you might have meant was “BWAAAHAAAHAA!”… as the bw at the beginning and the exclamation point closer, makes it clear that you are laughing, and not just gasping during an asthma attack… unless you are having one. Are you okay? Sorry, I’m compulsively trying to help people, even in how best to laugh at me… unless your laughing at my little buddy Denis, ‘cause that aint allowed.
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mokilasorki 1 year ago
hey.. thats called a dream
bugsbunny159 1 year ago
@bugsbunny159 Consciousness is a spectrum, with dreams and wakefulness as two of many regions within it. It is not one-dimensional however, as the wave of consciousness also has an amplitude. Whether STEs occur at a dream frequency or an alert one, their amplitude is still higher and their waveform more resonant with reality. I don’t know what frequency Denis was experiencing this through, but it was definitely of a higher and more resonant power than the ‘normal’ mindset.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
wierd never heard that before
thomas242007 1 year ago
interesting
PurlyDiluted 1 year ago
...and that was the first time i did acid.
adamdavidsson 1 year ago
@adamdavidsson I’m sorry adam, but are you trying to actually say something? I don’t want to jump to any conclusions, but are you implying that my friend Denis was on acid at the time of his STE? If this isn’t what you mean, then please clarify. If this is what you mean, then I can assure you that you are wrong and I advise that you check your facts before making such claims in the future. Thank you and God bless.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@adamdavidsson hahaha!! that would be some very unusual acid. beer would be just as unlikely to create such a state, id guess.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud You know it! After my NDE, I tried many a tab and other drugs in an attempt to recapture the experience, but none ever came close to the "real" thing. Six (count them 1,2,3,4,5,6) gel tabs of black pyramid in one sitting was the closest that I ever came, but that was pitiful in comparison. After that, I stopped using drugs to bring me back, because I knew that it was futile. Greater clarity can not be found through obfuscating reality further, only by removing the obstructions.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight i just discovered your post here. i have to say that your "6 tab experiment" should not allow you to draw a conclusion about anything other than that substance, at that time, taken by you, in that set and setting. the reason i comment on this is because ive discovered that it is possible to temporarily gain access to the transcendant being via a partnership with very helpful plants. and the repeated exposure to that state is the key to becoming it in a lasting way (vedas, gita
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I agree, and I never meant to imply that chemical stimulation is fruitless, nor is “the God helmet” and other electromagnetic stimulators without their own experiential benefits. My intended point was that none of these can be said to be the cause of what has been labeled a “NDE”. Equating a NDE to a transcendent drug trip, is something that is usually only done by individuals who have never experienced either of these for themselves personally.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud One can transcend only so far, while still in a physical brain, even in an altered brain. Adding chemicals and fields to the brain can result in lessening our brains ability to emit the illusion, but tends to fall short from removing the brain from the equation entirely. I think that it may be possible to have a NDLE that is triggered chemically, but the drug would then be only be a trigger, and not a literal cause. No offence intended on my part. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
lol well funny, I bet he is laughing in his mind thinking these pricks are actually believe this shit. I wonder how much money he is charging for this seminar!
sexywomentoesuck 1 year ago
@sexywomentoesuck I'll take your bet, because I know you are wrong. Like everyone else on this panel (aside from myself, I volunteered instead), Denis actually payed to attend this conference and volunteered to share his story freely. This was filmed at a IANDS conference, not a seminar. Bill and those apearing here shared the stories for free here on YouTube, for the enjoyment and education of all.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@sexywomentoesuck actually, i recognize this guy as a fellow experiencer. you of could not if you have not been there. and i know my telling you that he is being genuine will not and should not turn you into a "believer", but im nevertheless compelled to say im totally convinced you are wrong about the intent of this guy here. this is just based on my experience. im a non-believer in any areana you care to present. direct self-felt experience is the only truth. there is nothing else.
kalalaud 1 year ago
i almost died once.was scary as hell....
Kashground 1 year ago
@Kashground "Almost died" has many meanings, and even though you survived as a whole, it does not exclude the possibility that part of you did die... at least briefly and in part. As one who did die in a literal and complete manor, I ask if there was something more than fear that came from your experience? I have several friends who have died figuratively in the context of their ego, and who have returned from this with greater understanding, but were never actually near phisical death.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight all i remember from that shit was being face to face with myself.i was looking at myself.....how the hell is that possible without a mirror?
Kashground 1 year ago
@Kashground You only need a mirror to see from outside your body if you are still inside your body. Tens of millions of people experienced that perspective of themselves once or many times, with or without being close to death. In my NDE, I trancended to a different plane before I saw my body, but a couple of years later, I had an OBE at a coffee shop momentarily for no reason.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight has anyone ever saw god before and came back to earth?
Kashground 1 year ago
@Kashground I experienced God and returned to Earth, but I can't honestly say that I "saw" God, partly because I had no eyes to see with. I know a few people who don't insist on such distinctions who might claim to have seen an aspect of God, but I can't, and also any aspect of God is not the infinite God. In my estimation, experiencing directly trumps seeing every time for the purpose of believing. I believe I experienced God, but I saw nothing.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
seen a few vids here and alot of people claim to have saw him.
Kashground 1 year ago
@Kashground I should explain. The start of my NDE took place in a dark world without form and void, like in Genesis, but both God and my essence still existed without any form in infinite potential. “The Light” is not God, because God created the light. God needs no form because God existed before all form. For anyone to “see” God, they would see light emanating from form, neither is our Creator. They could however see a representation of God that God could create to interact with them through.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight hm........whatever,if i die im gonna find that guy.got questions for him
Kashground 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight You don't need eyes to see. You should know that.
cosmicman01 1 year ago
@cosmicman01 That is why I put "see" in quotes, meaning what is commonly called seeing in this world. On the other side however, the term "seeing" could be used, but it would be more accurate to call it sensing. Saying "seeing" leads people to assume that it works like it does here, and in my experience, it doesn't. I grant that "You don't need eyes to see", if you don't mean it literally.
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elantriv 1 year ago
the only thing i want after life is peace, and the sences we have here, sight, hearing etc. if that is what happens haveing a some sort of life or w/e . im so affraid death will be like sleeping. pure black and nothingness. thats so scary even if u cant think in death, i can think of it now.
twinkstance 1 year ago
@twinkstance When I had my NDE, the first thing that struck me was a combination of profound peace, and infinite unconditional Love. The infinite knowledge and understanding, and the connection to everything else were things that didn't manifest until I became accustomed to the peace and Love. The senses that we have here are quite dull in comparison, but if you can get past that, You will Love what awaits you more than you can now know.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
i really liked how this guy gave detailed examples of his experience. quite amazing. not sure about the skeptics, but it seems authentic and really enlightening that he can exactly remember talking to the "guide" and asking him all these questions, and then getting answers back - crazy good.
devinerhythms 1 year ago
one other point; speaking personally, you do not feel cold when you have an nde or oobe.
metalbornmetalbred 1 year ago
When I had my NDE, I also felt no warmth or cold, or heared any sound for that matter. My entire experience from begining to end was completely silent... but does that mean that I should doubt the authenticity of those who report heavenly music? Are they liars for reporting what I did not sense? Should I instead judge myself for having been further from heaven and less worthy? No, the fact is that every experience is unique, and that at least some of what we sense is related to what we expect.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago 2
@GoosedByTheLight Did you feel happy? when you had your nde?
dk12553 1 year ago
@dk12553 That would be one word for it… one of many words that utterly fail to capture what it was, but there is no word that is completely accurate. I felt Joy, Bliss, Acceptance, Fullness, Peace, Wholeness, Connection to All, the Essence of Love, Beauty, Serenity, Contentment, Adored, Cherished, Realized, Awake, Aware and Integral to All… and a million other descriptors, all at the same time and to an infinite degree, but even together, they fall short of being accurate.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
You may have noticed watching the video that Denis is very rational & logical. Even his guide in this experience recognized this which is why it used words larger & more complicated than necessary to describe things. Denis was aware that the temperature drops as one flies higher, so that is what he experienced. Perhaps it was an illusion of cold in line with expectations, but maybe he opened his senses to feel more to make the experience more "real", even if it was uncomfortable. Most wouldn't.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
i think this guy was dreaming. definately do not believe this "really" happened as evidenced by him joking about something that others are truly and deeply changed by. If this happens to you, you do not joke about it.
metalbornmetalbred 1 year ago
Hi metal,
I'm not going to breach the debate as to whether he was dreaming because that is a matter of belief, and even dreams have a level of reality.
As for his joking on the subject, it really is understandable. He and I were both on that panel at a conference full of experiencers, and the room was full of Love and acceptance. Many NDE accounts seem sober and serious in comparison because they are filmed in a situation where the experiencer is bracing themselves to be judged or rejected.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago 6
My vid on this channel is NDE- Looking for Answers, & some who saw it say I should do stand-up. When filmed for a show on the Bio Channel however, I came across as serious & somber. Joy & humor is a more appropriate tone for the message being delivered, but sound checks & worrying about staying in frame on a professional shoot causes much angst. The science minded dismiss us, the religious condemn us, & often our own families disown us, so is it odd that we are often tense and serious on camera?
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
the devil wants you to think you have had and will continue to have lives but jesus saith this is a lie from the devil just like he gave adam and eve: beware
frenchis19 2 years ago
Using the word "saith" does not actually turn your words into The Gospel of frenchis. If you want to share Jesus' (yeah, it should be capitolized) words then it would probably be best to quote Him. I know that the Bible says that we only die once, but what that actually means is debatable in a paradigm where He gives eternal life... just something to think about. I, for one, make no claim to understand how it all works so I refrain from telling others they're wrong. I won't cast the first stone.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
you experienced demonic entertainment : really simple because they keep you in the physical realm and never wanting you to meet jesus: knowledge of the world is enemies of god: read romans: spirit is not limited but the demons want you only to stay there in such knowledge: believe me you did not experience god or truth
frenchis19 2 years ago
Dear frenchis19,
I find it both funny & disturbing that you first concede that spirit is not limited, then you procede to limit it from the physical realm. Your point is moot because my friend has had experiences that both trancended the physical world, and even featured Jesus. You apparently know nothing of him or his experiences beyond the ten minutes filmed here, yet your pride moves you to dismiss him and his insight. Judge not lest you be judged my beloved sibling and fellow child of God.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@frenchis19
thanks for saying that. When I had my NDE I thank God I was aware of this. When I demanded to see Jesus I was taken out of that spirit world and I woke up from my coma. It was scary stuff - but before my NDE I never really paid much attention to demons - whether they are real or not. I do think it's something to be wary of.
phoenixbyrd2 1 year ago
hmmm...
pinkweyez 2 years ago
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Sockpuppet2012 2 years ago
science can't always give the answers to everything somethings are out the question of science like death you don't know what happens until you experience it yourself no one will be able to answer that you can't prove it's the end when you die because you would have to experience it yourself you can;t porve something don't exist unless you have evidence there are somethings which science will never be able to answer
shiffordboyz 2 years ago
depends what you mean by 'science' though. Usually those who promote scientism demand that a limited method must be applied to experience that is beyond its criteria
So REAL scienctific spirit must expand, and radical empiricism is a good tool to use etc
zezt 2 years ago
I agree completely zest. Scientism feels compelled to only address those parts of reality that are manifested in the physical world, which leads to such creations as "dark mater" and "dark energy". They are smart enough to see that they are missing the vast majority of reality, but then they assume that what will balance the equation is something else that is physical but outside of their instruments ability to detect. Science needs a scientist capable of second guessing the axioms to save it.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
I have been reading Charles Tart. Hove you read his 'the Western Creed'? REALLY powerful
I am glad i remembered him because he adds parapsychology into the stew. Is very important. read his The End of Materialism, etc
zezt 2 years ago
I have never read any of his books, but from what I have heard of his work, it sounds to me like he is on the right track. I don't think that it is posible to get an accurate picture of the mind without including transpersonal psychology, but the mainstream scientific establishment is reticent to accept it. Science needs to release the belief that the only way to understand anything is in total isolation, which their own quantum physics proves impossible.
I'll look for the book, thanks.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
Yep, you have pointed out one of the biggest blocks to those who dismiss NDEs shifford, they can never prove it. Proving that something exists can be difficult but it is always possible, while prooving that something doesn't exist is always impossible. When the duck-billed-platypus was discovered, European scientists claimed that it was a hoax. They claimed that pictures and reports where fabricated, and when evidence in the form of one of the animals hides was sent back to England, ... cont.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
they claimed that this too was faked. George Shaw (an English botanist and zoologist) even took a pair of shears to the preserved hide looking for where the taxidermist had stitched the duck to the beaver. He was willing to damage the only evidence that he had to proove he was right. Scientists are understandibly reticent to accept the validity of data that challenges their views to the point that they have been known to just ignore it, but they aren't as scrupulous if the data supports them...
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
I do dissagree with you however with your statement that "science will never be able to answer" to the existance of NDEs. The problem is that the scientists don't want to go to the only place where the expiriment can be performed... death. Expiriments are possible, but beleiving that they know what they will find causes them to dismiss the subject without performing the expiriment even if they have a better than even chance of surviving it. If 10-20% of those who die have a NDE, they... cont.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
would only need to stop their hearts about ten times before they would be believable authorities on the subject... until then, they should just share their opinions without authority that they have been trying to pass off as evidence. Until then, they are like Shaw sitting in his wing-back-chair and smoking his pipe back in England, not wanting to go to the other side of the planet to give their opinions any value. This is one platypus who isn't going to hold his breath.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
You have no proof that science will NEVER be able to answer.
shaylab 2 years ago
I can vouch for the fact that the truth that is revealed to you in death is inherently of a personal nature. To the end of what you yourself will experience, I advise to keep your options open. Do not jump to any conclusions as to what to expect, because the reality of what you will find will blow your mind. Just be yourself and trust in a love that encompases all. We will not be judged upon our virtues and merits, but upon the limits of our Love for all creation. Live to find more to love.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
@shiffordboyz Well said!
jkgaray 4 months ago
this dude is full of shit. kinda funny he remembered the entire convo word for word. odds are, grampa has had a few too many brandys. these are the people that give real NDEs a bad rap.
Flerg3 2 years ago
Well Flerg, "grampa" is my friend and he is not one for brandy... though he does like a Guiness every now and then. It is normal for people who have Spiritualy Transformative Experiences (STEs) to remember minute details decades later. He is not the one that is "full of shit", and I'm truely sorry you resorted to the knee-jerk reaction of judging him instead of hearing him because you could have learned a lot. He devotes his life to helping others, especially those of us who had NDEs & STEs..
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
I wonder what the percentage of his speech is exagerated?
QUESTI0NSnANSWERS 2 years ago
What makes you think that any of it is exagerated QnA? I know that society trains us to disect things when we are overwhelmed with data, but that causes us to loose sight of the whole and can't work with spiritual experiences which are about relation to the whole. I'm also not sure what you mean by exagerated. My dictionary defines exagerate: To represent (something) beyond normal bounds. To discribe anything that is inherently beyond normal bounds honestly means that it is necesarily exagerated
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
That's so cool! Aw man he got all the fun.
Oreoreogirl 2 years ago
Yeah Oreoreogirl, tell me about it... he didn't even have to have his body broken to the point of death to get there. He got all the fun and very little of the pain. That's the way to do it!
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
stop lying
crim4527 2 years ago
OK crim, who are you talking to?
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
Jesus is exactly who he said he was. And he walked the walk.
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Sockpuppet2012 2 years ago
Check out YouTube "Cosmos-Carl Sagan-4th demension". Carl Sagan, probably Agnostic, did a fine job explaining what may be the after life in tecnical terms.
RiskyStickers 2 years ago
Thank you, Risky! That was an interesting video.
Sockpuppet2012 2 years ago
Is he a Christian? I'm just wondering
Shirleyxia74 2 years ago
Why do you wonder?
He seems pretty genuine doesn't he?
I love sincere people, esp. when it comes to these mind-boggling subjects where it's so easy to get away with lies.
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GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
This guy looks exactly like my ex-neighbor, Ernie. Which is amazing because Ernie was my neighbour 25 years ago and lived several thousand miles away from this guy.
neil73 2 years ago
Theres no such thing as GOD, religion is why the world is fucked everyone has different views on the so called GOD.
linkus1 2 years ago
I'm an atheist but i respect other peoples religions. theres no fucking need to be a cunt about it like you.
Capslockets 2 years ago 5
@Capslockets language
penguin311magic 1 year ago
@penguin311magic What about language?
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@Capslockets almost all "religions" are total bullshit and deserve as much DISRESPECT as humanly possible. christianity and islam come to mind 1st.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Religion is neither good nor bad. Like any of the tools crafted by Man, its value is not inherent, but how it is used. If religion is used to bridge the gap between humanity and the Devine, and instills a respect for their fellow Man and moves one to Love, then it is good. If religion however, moves one to view religion AS God, and to judge, hate, and condemn their fellow Man, then yes, it is in fact less than bullshit. Please don’t use such blanket logic with so diverse a subject.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight my "blanket" was not just thrown together mindlessly. ive had years and years of experience with all sorts of "religion". my experience is that no religiion posesses any saving grace that would save it from total condemnation by me. there is no good religion because they are all lies, AT BEST. i say this with understanding.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I’ll concede that every religion is flawed and incomplete, that all contain some measure of errors and misunderstandings, and that is even before people start to interpret them. I do, however, also believe that every religion with a spiritual basis, also contains at least a seed of truth. Nurturing that seed can cause our understanding and Love to grow. I did not judge your blanket judgment as thrown together mindlessly, but as over generalized, biased, and unfair.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight heheh.... my hat's off to youtUbe for getting us all talking and THINKING about this! re religion: i suppose there could be something of value in some ideology somewhere, but i figure anything that blandly fills in the "truth" vacancies with its bullshit is always better to avoid. knowing nothing is far better than knowing "what aint so". and i know for certain that nature appreciates honesty and courage to the extent that it will pull innocent souls right into its heart. =]
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I agree completely with every last statement from your last post, but I want to focus on two of your points. Knowing is much lauded in both science and religion, but knowing is often the stumbling block to greater understanding. Certainty is static, and excludes the potential for the dynamic growth and expansion of thought. When we think that we “know” something, we stop searching for Truth. As you said “knowing nothing is far better than knowing "what aint so"”. Cont…
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud But knowing Nothing may actually be required to fully understand everything. The other point… “anything that blandly fills in the "truth" vacancies with its bullshit is always better to avoid”. I agree, and that’s the danger in accepting anyone’s paradigm as the Truth. Whether we are accepting scientific theories or religious doctrines, we should feel free to pick and choose what we accept as Truth. We need to nurture our own understanding, not believe what others know.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
I dissagree with your claim for God's non-existence, but I do agree that religion contributes to the world being "fucked". The reason is because religion is not from God, but from humanity. It's a good thing that God doesn't require religion even if religion does require God. Everyone has a different view because God is infinite and NOBODY knows the whole Truth. When people focus on how their views differ, they distance themselves from Truth but finding the similarities gathers us around Truth.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
I coudn't have said it better myself, Goosed. Some NDEers even said that God is not interested in religion.
bearpaw72 2 years ago
I can only speak for myself bear, but from my encounter with The God of Creation, It doesn't care what version of it we honor, just that we try to establish a loving relationship with it in some sense. The flaw with any religion is that it imposes dogma upon not only the human deciple, but upon the infinite God as well. God is infinite and beyond the limitations that we humans feel more comfortable imposing upon It.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
Religion is like spiritual trainingwheels to bring us close enough to truth to drop Religion in favor of spirituality. I don't think that it is a bad thing, so long as we don't become confused into believing that our religion is God's religion. God loves all his children, and their beliefs don't make any difference in the amount of love he shares with them. If our beliefs bring us closer to God and humanity, then they are good. If they devide us from either God or Man, Then they are flawed.
GoosedByTheLight 2 years ago
@GoosedByTheLight differing views become trivial upon entering the real "god". i know this absolutely. imagine an infintely large explosion at the center of creation. this is what we are feeling right now, in a very strained way.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I understand, and again agree with your first two sentences… but you lost me in the explosion. I guess I was blown clear of your intended meaning. ;)
Perhaps you could clarify? I just don’t want to assume that I understand, if I don’t, and potentially spiral our exchanges into misunderstandings. Thanks.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight i was just trying to describe my experience of being sucked (vacuumed) into the absolute. it's probably not important to understand me....i was just talking. but one thing id like to get across is just how huge it is, and how unimaginable it is. why do i bother to describe it then? dunno. im just compelled to keep trying.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I think I understand now. I think my difficulty in grasping what you were talking about was due to my perception or recollection of God being very different, or that I have used different words and concepts to describe It. I remember It as an infinite, peaceful, but highly energetic field, that radiated pure unconditional Love to All of existence. I think I see now, how it could be seen as an eternal explosion, but one where peace can be found within. We all seem compelled to share.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight it's a gr8 joy to realize someone else has seen this. i guess im internally hoping that confirmation by others could somehow bring be back to it. but nothing so far has really done it. and the memory is fading so much im feeling a little threatened sometimes by the ignorant thoughts from ignorant people everywhere. especially the religion gangs. they seem to be the ones most willing to lie about this. dogma. it is psychic poison.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Personally, I don’t claim to have “seen” this, in a literal sense anyway. I find sight to be a poor description of how I experienced this field for many reasons, not the least of which is that I had no eyes, and at this point in my NDE, there was no light. Still, I have sometimes used words like “see”, “sight” and “sensed” in my description of It too, because there is no accurate words in our earthly languages for direct experience. All of our words are tied to our mortal senses.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight exactly as i would say it. actually, what i gather is that one BECOMES it, and this is the only way to know it.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Yea, becoming it, or at least becoming one with it. I don’t tell people that I saw God, as much as I “met with” God… in the most tangible and qualitative sense. Even better perhaps, at least when describing it to Christians at least, is that I “communed” with God. In any case, I know that there is no perfect word or phrase that captures the nature of that Divine experience, and conveying that is the most accurate description possible with the languages available.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight this makes me think of terence mckenna and his effort to "pour english" onto experiences that transcend this english language. he was a masterful artist. ill be listening to his uniquely honest and powerful words for the rest of my life, even though he never directly describes experiencing the complete transcedence that happened to me. maybe im just learning to speak with such skill. seems describing the thing is very important.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Like you said, McKenna never endeavored to capture the truly transcendent, but I still believe that we could still learn something from his trying to describe lesser transcendent realities. The realities that he was focused on may have been closer to our consensual reality than nearly all NDEs, but still, he was dabbling with descriptors which transcended the familiar… even if only slightly. Personally, I would rather explore Jung’s archetypes, but McKenna could be revealing too.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight you might find "the good friday experiment" interesting. richard alpert describes it often.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I had heard about this experiment, but I admit that I had never actually researched it in any depth before. After only a few hours of research, It definitely makes me wish that I had tried psilocybin back when I was experimenting to try to recapture my NDE. I’m quite sure that it would have fallen short as all drugs have, but it sounds like a good trip otherwise, that may also have something to offer our understanding of mind as well. Thanks for the pointer.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight one thing to consider is that these tools (plants/flesh of the gods)are our friends and getting to know them over time is better than a one-night-stand. of course, the 1st meeting is a one-night-stand already but we we could make it the start of a real relationship. they have so much to offer us, especially now that the times are so difficult.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I can appreciate the potential in the scenario you present, but the illegality of these substances makes it too risky to return to them often. Until society releases its fear, so that government can relax its stranglehold on liberty, it is largely a moot point for me. I do like what I read about “the Good Friday experiment”, that the participants were supervised and safe, and the study was held in a spiritual setting and not a clinical one. That seems ideal in many ways.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight other countries, where the ppl know what these plants are, still protect their use as tools for enlightenment, regardless of pressure from our numb-skull, violent gang. a google movie you might like: "the man who drank the universe".
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I saw part 1 of this video for the first time only about a week ago. I’ve been meaning to go back to it ever since, but I haven’t found the time yet. I find it somewhat comical and somewhat frustrating to see people traveling around the globe, leaving their “free countries”, to have these experiences for themselves. From what I saw of how things were handled in the first part, I cannot imagine how any government could argue that this is a danger to their citizens in general.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight a.... if you go to google videos for that video the quality is better and it's one full lenght video.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud That would be fine, so long as I could jump about ten minutes in so that I wouldn’t need to watch the beginning again. Nothing wrong with the beginning, I’m just finding it difficult to find the time as it is. I hope the whole thing isn’t too long. I’ve had people send me links to videos before that were 3-5 hours long, and sometimes these were only presented to argue their point for them, like that everybody but them is going to hell. 5 hours of that? No thanks. Sorry, no correlation.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight hahah! yeah, lemme see how long it is..... it's 34:17.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Okay, if you mean thirty-four minutes and seventeen seconds, I'm in. if you mean 34 hours and 17 minutes, I must ask, why did they use the same editor that the fundamentalist Christians use? lol. I assume the former, so I'll try to get to it in the next 24... that's hours mind you.
Peace, Love, and Joy to All,
Steve.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud Okay. Now I’ve finally seen the whole thing, and aside from him needing to get over John, the rest was profound, and in many ways, beautiful. I wish that such a journey was available to me, but being that I have been out of work for well over a year myself, and hence being deeply in dept, I know that I am likely to die before I could afford such a release from the worries which haunt me. I suppose that I will soon get my own release… though not at my own hands.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight SAME EDITOR???? very strange - he sure doesnt seem to be a christian! there's no way such a sincere human could fit into the crap i call "christian". i know these worries. im currently teatering on the fence between worlds myself. seems no humans are in a position to help me see my way and every one who claims to see or know is at least wrong. that release you mention is the saving grace i hold in my memory as well. ive been ready to shed this rediculous world for decades.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Sorry, I misspoke again… or mistyped anyway. I was sure that the message would be different from the “we and everyone that we Love are going to hell” spiel, but I was just worried about the length being similar. I still consider myself a Christian too, but one from the original spirit focused on God, Love, and Heaven, instead of the common modern version centered on pride, intolerance, and the fear of hell. I hope that you don’t think less of me for this.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight hahahah!! i really consider belief systems to be the victimizers of humans everywhere. "love", "god", "heaven" are real. it's prety evident that christianity is pure plagiarism, tho. the movie "zeitgeist" details ideas that are far more aligned with my experience than anything professed in "the bible". another very sincere effort is "the jesus papers". extremely convincing stuff. once you "know" (experience directly), there is no more use for any belief, faith, etc.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud I can relate, but isn’t the belief that “belief systems [are] the victimizers of humans everywhere” also a belief system? Sorry, just playing devils advocate. I should also clarify that though I consider myself a Christian, I belong to no religion… they all belong to me instead. The victimization that you are talking about, stems from consigning oneself to the authority of a religion. I know that God transcends all religions, so I don’t limit my beliefs to one narrow view.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight hehe... yeah, it's my "belief" mechanism working in my favour rather than for the dangerous outer influences, i reckon. "roy of hollywood" once said, at a terence mckenna gathering, "i believe that believing in anything is a waste of the mind". we were talking about the quote "understanding passeth everywhere", indicating the superfluous nature of beliefs in the light of true knowledge based on experience and understanding and the fact that it is possible to know everything.
kalalaud 1 year ago
@kalalaud Sorry, I don’t mean to split hairs, just trying to reduce the all too prevalent misunderstandings on this topic, for others who may read our exchanges. I’m guessing that you know what I mean though. What I found that helps to bring me “back to it”, is indulging that compulsion to keep trying to describe the experience that you mentioned, but also by sharing the Love personally. The meaning in the Universe is not found in its parts, but in how those parts connect and interrelate.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud It can be difficult to find people to share the light with, as many are reluctant to hear God’s message unless it comes from one accepted source, and is interpreted by one specific human “authority”. You cannot speak to the deaf, nor share light with the blind. The safest path, and a good place to start for many reasons, is to share first with a sheet of paper… or a ream if you were so lucky as to have had a long STE. This helps to find the best words, and makes a record for review.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud Doing this first also helps to solidify your recollection, and personalize it. I only wrote down my own experience for the first time last year, about 14 years after my NDE. Until then, I was always seeing mine in relation to others, comparing and contrasting them, but never really grasping either. I would constantly judge mine related to others, and see mine as lacking because it was brief, and I had no tunnel, review, or nifty quotes from God, or other such messages.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud Writing mine down gave me a starting point from which to learn from others. It anchored my NDE as a foundation on which to build my understanding, and since then, other accounts have added to it, instead of contrasting and showing only what mine lacked. Like the seed that is required to grow a crystal, my recollection of my NDE, and my understanding, has grown from this first description. It gave me a context to better understand what others experienced.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud Once you centered your own seed of experience, sharing with others will likely be easier and more productive for both parties. They no longer threaten your recollection, as you have your record to remind you. Confirmation by others does indeed help, but I think a big part of that isn’t just in saying that you’re right, but in the personal connection which it forms, and in sharing experiences which are no longer just in an individual. STEs are too big to be contained by us.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud At the point when you are ready to share, be selective at first in who you share with. IANDS has local groups throughout the country, and even some internationally, where experiencers can come in person to be with others of like mind. The first time I went to one and described my experience, I was a bit shocked to see the group nodding their heads with recognition and understanding, instead of the quizzical and judgmental looks that I was so used to.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@kalalaud If you’re not ready to actually meet other experiencers in person (it can be hard to talk to others personally after being judged by so many for so long, even when we’re pretty sure that this venue will be different), or if you don’t have a group close enough, there are online forums as well that are better and safer than YouTube for sharing. I’d advise NDE-Space, ACISTE, or any other which also limits access to only experiencers. Feel free to contact me as well, of course.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
@GoosedByTheLight wow...thanks for all these posts! data worth keeping. very interesting....
kalalaud 1 year ago
I love God!
chriszuk 2 years ago
lol good for you
gosuns08 2 years ago
this isnt a lie is it
DAZY95 2 years ago 3
trust in god because he will give u life after death and joy forever
DAZY95 2 years ago 2
God is so amazing:)
angelnurse7up 3 years ago 3
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no god, no magic
dustmasks 3 years ago
"What is my source of propulsion?"
"Willpower"
This applies on Earth too!
P.S. I loved the humour in this experience. Thank you for you sharing!:)
sara1111dell 3 years ago
well after some more research and some redefining of my substance catalog. ive come to the conclusion that yes there are things i cannot explain away through objective analysis. there are things i have experienced but have been to pessimistic to acknowledge. today i can say i have several very vivid lucid dreams all in an attempt to recall what happened the night i was supposed to die. im getting closer and anomalies abound. i just want to thank you guys for opening my mind
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
Oh joy! I am honestly giddy... but I'm not technicaly talking to geist so I think this is allowed. As I say to noone in particular, it is amazing what sorts of things pop into reality when we relax our deathgrip on what is possible in this world. They are only anomalies in our old way of thinking, but as our acceptance grows, so does our potential! Love, welcome, and thanks to noone in particular.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
continued on...
the differentiation of the gonads into male and female, and how long it takes between the death of an individual and its soul's next rebirth according to the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. I suggest a meta-physical model in which biological, psychological, and spiritual drives or impulses all may exist in a dynamic tension within this spirit gland.
You can't really compare Hallucinogenics with NDE's especially Veridical NDE's, they are both totally different things.
Tombstone416 3 years ago
Heather, as you know, I'm up and running on youtube. I just wanted to say to sturmgeist that his explanation doesn't explain the veridical part of my OBE or the clarity and coherence of the experience. Drug-induced (e.g., DMT) experiences tend to be confusional and lack stability. I also was told by my guide to download the memory of the experience to my physical brain to make it accessible to waking consciousness. The instructions were incredibly specific!
DenisP159 3 years ago
well to escape my analytical mind and call upon the memory. through drugs and other experiences ive awakened subconscious otherwise foreign knowledge before. furthermore i am starting to humor the idea that human beings may inhabit this universe in more than one dimension and that parts of our minds are in fact capable of comprehending these additional dimensions under certain circumstances. there was a friend accompanying me just like Atropine but collected as in psilocybin...
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
In case it wasn't clear, I am the person on this video. A primary reason to conclude that the brain does not generate these experiences is that some people have had them with a flat EEG - and even no activity in the brain stem. Google on "Pam Reynolds", for example. What some quantum physicists are concluding is that consciousness underlies the whole physical universe and is not a mere epiphenomenon - as science previously thought.
DenisP159 3 years ago
That consciousness would be the consciousness of God, not the human consciousness.
dgontar 3 years ago
Hair splitting anyone?
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
Not exactly. It makes a great difference in one's philosophy.
dgontar 3 years ago
If mind is a field effect that is part of the Universal substrate and the mind of an individual is a local spike in that field, then the Mind of God would be the field as a whole. My consciousness is a part of God's consciousness and God's mind is the ultimate level of my own mind... as below so above, if you will. I am a part of God just as God is a part of me, I am the local (in my perspective) while God is the universal. I believe that this feedback is the resonance of spirit.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
Being unified with God does not mean becoming God, it means unifying with a fragment of his spirit, a spirit that functions as a faculty within the human mind.
dgontar 3 years ago
I agree that you cannot become God, because God just is in a never ending, never becoming, never changing eternal instant. It could be argued that we are and always have been God (a microcosm that mirrors the macrocosm), but that too would be off topic. God is ONE, whole in every way. God has no fragments because God cannot be divided. I think that Denis was refering to the FIELD of consciousness being the location of our minds as opposed to our heads. When the brain dies, we still live.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
A wise man once said "The part is never called the whole thing, though it bothers it to know it's so". Lets see if anyone gets that reference...
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
@DenisP159 I want to know more about what you talked about at around 4:40. About the woman on the cloud telling you "this is where you were before you were born and these are the things that will happen." How much of life is planned? I haven't made any life progress due to a 6-year obsession with a girl.
NinetiesYouth 1 year ago
strumgeist... look at your reasoning dude =p
so "something, somehow" put into us the genetic need to validate religion and spiritual experience. Isn´t that a way of saying that something KNEW there is something beyond our realm so it seeded us with the ability to perceive(maybe remember) it ?
igoronline 3 years ago
yea it's called the subconscious...
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
no, I meant the "thing" that sparked our counsciousness in the first place.
igoronline 3 years ago
simple explanation: Mass DMT trip+sleep paralysis=NDE ive had one and frankly its not all that different from a strong hallucinogenic. everyone will have at least 1-2 in their life times. i suspect the pragmatic reasoning for nature installing this strange phenomena would have something to do with the innate need for religious experience in mankind to give us validation.
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
I honestly doubt that you have had an NDE geist. If you had, you would know that it is nothing like a drug of any kind. Believe me, I've tried a few drugs as a means to get back to the Styx and none have come close. Your theory about why "nature" installed the NDE is interesting, even if not too original. Do you have a theory as to why so many non-experiencers will use faulty logic and humbug rhetoric to "prove" that the experience is dissmissable? I just keep comming back to thinking it's fear.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
If fear is the reason, then it prooves one of three things. (1) Either these skeptics don't get the whole message that is conveyed through NDEs and are too busy arguing to listen. (2) The sceptics are envious that people who they believe are beneath them have accuired knowledge that all their years of study can't match (and their fear keeps them from following the same path of the experiencer). And (3) the poor fools are enslaved completely by their egos. The fearful ego reigns the bitch in.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
ive done a number of hallucinogenics, had night time paralysis, and an NDE... all were different yes but with many similarities. after a suicide attempt left me light about 4 pints of blood and with a seven inch scar across my neck i believe i can safely say i've had an NDE. hallucinating i was outside my body surrounded by fog in an amorphic vessel on what i can only describe as a fourth spatial dimension. i saw classic DMT shapes and an entire plane fold into existence. it was interesting...
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
Not that it's a competition, but I lost a little more than twice the blood that you lost... and yes, I do know how much blood the human body holds. The point is moot if you keep bleeding faster than they can give you transfusions. Four pints might not be enough to kill you, but I would think that it would be enough to cause light headedness and hallucinations. The only reason why I stayed awake after loosing more than that is due to shock and a whole lot of adrenaline in what blood remained.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
Well, I really have enjoyed talking to you geist and would like to continue, but a friend of mine has asked me to end this exchange and I'm afraid that I already said that I would. If you want to say anything to me, I'm listening. This isn't a cheap means for me to get the last word and it's not my preference, but my friend's request was motivated by love so I respected it. I only agreed not to post but know that I'm still listening. Peace, Love, and Joy to you little bro.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
ill get you a medal hah well thats... impressive? thought my threshold was too much, im just skeptical of my mind to be honest. it sure does give me an assload of incorrect information on a regular basis its hard to trust your senses sometimes let alone metaphysical ones hah. the mind has fascinating abilities of both perception and deception and frankly i don't believe i know enough of psychology to distinguish half of it all.
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
sturmgeist no disrespect to you at all but have you done any research into DMT at all?
DMT is already in the human body, Rick Strassman stated the following "I speculate about endogenous DMT's role in dreams, meditation, birth, near-death, and death. I suggest that the individual's life-force enters the body through the pineal at 49 days after conception, and leaves it through the pineal gland at death. This 49-day prenatal period corresponds to the first signs of fetal pineal tissue
Tombstone416 3 years ago
well im aware of N,N-dimethyltryptamine's indigenous nature but not of the quote. its produced in the pineal gland along with serotonin and melatonin right? interesting theory though
sturmgeist1819 3 years ago
I would like to know this guy's name and how to contact him. I have a well-known pagan website and if he wanted to do more videos or articles, I could post them there for people to see. Or he could just post more videos here on YouTube. I would really like to hear more from him. He is so real and unaffected. Please contact me if you read this message.
7heather 3 years ago
Hi Heather, He's a friend of mine but does not yet have a YouTube account. Until he does, you can use me as a go between if you want. I'm going to go out on a limb without his permition and tell you that his name is Denis. I thought that he'd have his account up by now being that he asked me how to do it over a week ago, but I guess that he hasn't. If you'd rather correspond dirrectly, I'm guessing that it wont be tooo long before he logs in.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
Thanks! He actually wrote to me a while back and gave me his contact info. He said that
he was "the President of the Los Angeles International Association for Near-Death Experiences. Cheryl and Mary, fellow board members of Laiands and I, hosted the "Lessons from the Light" spiritual gathering at which many of the videos on billsvideos123 were filmed late last year."
Hopefully, he will get his own channel up and running soon because I would love to hear more of his experiences.
Heather
7heather 3 years ago
O.K., now I'm guessing that I've met you being that I was not only at the conference, but on the same panel as well. I was watchfull at the conference for any "signs" of pagans being present but I must have missed you in that sea of the enlightened... and Uzi. Did you loose the pentacle so as not to spook the straits?
Steve
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
Sorry Steve. I guess you misunderstood my post. Most of that post was a quote from the email that Denis sent to me. Denis is the one who hosted the event, not me. And you probably wouldn't pick me out of a crowd as being pagan. I look pretty normal. I don't have the usual black clothing and hair that you see with witches and pagans. I'm actually more spiritual than pagan but I relate to both paths.
7heather 3 years ago
It is sounds more like it. He himself become out of body become and orb. However; someone died in the past might have guided him.
TinTin7777777 3 years ago
It does not sound like spiritual experience at all.
godequaljesus 3 years ago
Hi God, it's me Steve. I can understand your confusion but what does a spiritual experience sound like anyway? In my "experience", they tend to be the sort of thing that strips you of all your pre-conceived notions and robs you of all dogma and other artificial defences that can be hidden behind. Maybe this is why I have no problem seeing his experience as spiritual, or maybe it's because I can hear how deeply it moved him. The thing about spiritual experiences is that they are always personal.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago
j'avoue, j'ai rien capté.
Lucccio 3 years ago
sorry i am slepy
33and4 3 years ago
That's O.K. 334, we are very protective of our brothers and sisters who still sleep. Rest as long as you need and we'll keep the fires burning. In my oppinion, what he had was at least an OBE and an STE, but I would also classify it as a NDLE (Near Death Like Experience) where it contained existential and trancendant ingredients not normaly found in OBEs. Regardless of how you or I would name it, to him it was a spiritual experience. Sorry, but he gets to veto the votes of all others.
GoosedByTheLight 3 years ago