Ahmed Deedat - Difference between Version and Translation

[BonjourNuit120]

Since Islam is war against Jews and Christians sura 9:29-30, and since the Quran contradicts the Bible, Muslims like Deedat need to believe in their own lies,rather than admit the Quran is full of contradicts and that it is the Quran itself that contradicts and violates all of God's Ten Commandments.

The Bible can have Version stamped on every cover and yet the Bible remains the Word of God without needing Islamic approval for only Islam is not from God and only Islam is the enemy of God

[BonjourNuit120]

Missionaries do not try to confuse Muslims as the Missionaries know that the Catholic Bible has more chapters those chapters were designed for Priests and nuns which the Protestant Church does not have but both the Bible for Catholics and for the Protestants are rejected by Islam

For Muhammad who could not read and who did not know the different languages of the Bible claimed God failed to protect his own words solely because Muhammad contradicted both God and God's teachings in the Bible

[BonjourNuit97]

Islamic Studios,you ban Christians from defending their own religion when you have overstepped your bounds

Your Quran tells you, don't fight over the religions

Your own Quran says, To you your religion and to me my religion

Deedat who was paid very well by Saudi Arabia,exploited People for if he was truly a scholar he would have known the Catholic Bible has more chapters because this church has a priest hierarchy while the Protestant church did not. The extra chapters were for the Priests

[Abubakerkola]

Quran says, there is no compulsion in religion (like crusaders type), however it also says, call to the way of ur lord by wisdom and beautiful preaching.However I cant force u to convert, to u is ur religion if u dont want islam (understand the diference).but at the end of time, Allah will hold u responsible for not accepting monotheism and submition to his wil as Islam orders. There is no extra chapters in the Quran for scholars ;)its the same book 4 al as they al r the same in the sight of god

[BonjourNuit120]

The Quran claims there is no compulsion in religion but that false claim is contradicted by the fact Muslims are killed for leaving Islam and that is compulsion

Muhammad said wage war till Islam is professed 48:16 and that is extreme compulsion

Crusaders versus Jihadists, Crusades lasted

several hundred years but Jihadists began with Islam and continues to this day

Muslims were the invaders of Jerusalem for 1200 years and killed the Christian pilgrims so the Crusaders were sent to protect them

[Abubakerkola]

@BonjourNuit120 like all religious scriptures u need to understand d reason of its revelation,u can refer to tafsir ibn kathir explanations 4 verses ur refering.we have been given d duty of conveying d msg,u follow or not ain't our responsibilty.

[BonjourNuit120]

@Abubakerkola It is not your duty to overstep your bounds to attack the Bible with your ignorance. The Quran does not claim a debate about versions and translations about the Bible so why do you? The only message you convey is that Muslims overstep their bounds to attack the Bible because Islam is war against Jews and Christians. Otherwise you have no message because Islam uses God to hate, lie, deceive and kill those who truly believe in the true God of Israel

[Abubakerkola]

@BonjourNuit120 It is my duty as a human if I see someone falling of a cliff to save him. It is your pre conceived notion that we want worst for you.Here I am saying I want a better future for you, and your attacking me for hating you. There is some sickness in you or you dont understand plain english? Go on your way if you dont like mine, the end result is with god on day of judgement, cya there very soon (cos this world aint lasting for long)

[BonjourNuit120]

Muslims slaughtered Monotheists who were Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Jews and Christians as only Islam is a pagan religion that is war against all non Muslims and war is even and against God's command not to kill

Judgment falls upon those who lie,hate and kill,not those who rejected Muhammad who was an oppressor who was a mass murderer, who married a child, who sent himself a sura permitting him to take his adopted son's only wife despite Muhammad had many wives, concubines and female slaves

[Abubakerkola]

1st,do u understand what is monotheism?Worshiping god alone without associating partners with god.Obeying his commands (rather than a mans or popes).

There is no adoption in Islam.

Many grt prophets had practised polygame (i.e. Abraham 3 wifes +concubines, Solomon had 1000 wifes n concubines,etc)hence this is not a new practice.Also there was no child mariage (she had reached the age of puberty and thts the age when marriage is allowed in Islam).

Understand ur book 1st and its contradiction

[BonjourNuit120]

Muhammad who claimed he was a plain Warner,stole from Jesus' parable, both judgment and hell and it is Muhammad who is punished for disobeying God (Rev 20:10)

Islam itself is the anti Christ which professes to honor God's will when God's will is that you love your neighbor but Muhammad said wage war with the infidels as are your neighbors 9:123

Muhammad was told to read,he did not submit, no Muslim submits to God's will for God's will is you love one another.

Islam and its Quran is not from God

[Abubakerkola]

u claim Quran is not from God.Quran says, if it was not from god, u wud have found various contradictions in it! Every1 knows in which book most contraditions lies (50k according to christian magazine "Awak").Quran says, if it is not from god, produce one chapter like in the Quran. n no1 could till date and those who tried, failed miserably.U r blind n brainwashed and dont understand Jihad.Go open the arabic to english dictionary! Islam will prevail, whether u like it or not ..its destined to..

[BonjourNuit120]

There are tons of contradictions in the Quran beginning with that very claim that there are none.

No compulsion vs war prescribed to you 2:216

Muhammad said he confirmed the scriptures 3:81 but he said Jesus didn't die on the cross, another who Looked like him died in his place 4:157 and that contradicts both the Torah and Jesus' own prophecy that he would go to the cross

sura 4:157 is accusing Jesus of being both a liar and evil when the Quran claims Jesus and Mary were never touched by Satan

[BonjourNuit120]

I don't care what Muslims, or scholars, or science have to say about the Bible because God himself validates the Bible by fulfilling his promises or prophecies such as with the return of the Jews to Israel in 1948.

Quran says if it is not from God, produce one chapter like it, and the 1001 Arabian Nights exceeds the Quran in that it has more wisdom, more miracles, makes more sense and it is more truthful, more compassionate, even Aladdin is nicer than Muhammad

[BonjourNuit120]

When Muhammad said war is prescribed to you, and that war is good when war is pure evil and darkness, he never took anyone out of the darkness because ignorance, deception, hatred, violence, war are elements of pure darkness, then it is the Muslim who is blind and brainwashed

Even if all the world converts to Islam, God himself will destroy Islam as it is not from God but uses God to do evil and to oppress its own followers

Whether u like it or not

[BonjourNuit120]

The Quran itself is NOT the word of God, because God is not senile, he is not forgetful

God told Abraham that God chose NOT Ishmael but Isaac to carry as Everlasting the Covenant (Gen 17:19) and that means Muhammad who claimed he descended from Ishmael was NEVER a prophet of God, for God never contradicts himself and he honors his own words even if you Muslims do not

[Abubakerkola]

Thats ur believe!n bible is anyways corrupted as christian scholars themselves revised it 100 of times! Y shud I even believe in it. Produce the true copy of Injil if u were truthful.Allah said he wil protect the Quran from variation, n it didnt till date!! unlike Injil,it was for a particular period n tht period is over.

[BonjourNuit120]

When you have 10 versions of the Quran and only 1 apostle, don't boost for nothing

the Bible remains the word of God, not the Quran because God is not senile, God is not forgetful, God told Abraham, God chose Isaac not Ishmael to carry as everlasting the covenant thus prophetic line and that means Muhammad who claimed he descended from Ishmael contradicted God for only Jews could be prophets not those who hated Jews

[BonjourNuit120]

The true Evangeline is in every Bible Christian on earth

There has been no revision,only translations

The true copy of Jesus' original message remains in the Bible to this day which is God came into human form to die on the cross to rise from the dead to prove his divinity in order to teach he is in all humankind

There is one God who is not Allah, nor evil, he is not an oppressor,roasting those who do not bow down to fake apostles,rather he is compassionate as he is with all people on earth

[BonjourNuit120]

Allah said he would protect the Quran, was he not able to protect the Bible too?

You can put guards around your Quran but the Quran is not from God as it began with a false prophet who used God to invent a religion of war against all who do not bow down to Muhammad

You too were given a particular period of time, and that time is over

[funmania79]

Muslims never bow down to Muhammad - they just bow down to Allah. That's the teaching of Muhammad. U understand - no need to spread false rumors about others if u r true. as u r liar u r spreading false rumors....

[Abubakerkola]

The word of god u say is the bible.Tell me who is Mathew, Luke, John.ur own christian scholars dont know their second name!Specialy Mathew, they say is an unknown person.Refer to the book "The Choice".

Bible speaks abt slaves and concubines (u wil b sory 2 read them). God murders 1000's of people for petty things.Jesus said in bible, i didnt come as a mercy, but for war! 1st examine ur own book b4 atacking others!I hate such people!I can go further if u want me 2.. :)

[BonjourNuit120]

I am not shocked that x preachers join Islam

I am glad that such phonies have left the faith

However God said in the Last days, that many will leave the faith to follow the teachings of demons and only Islam has a sura on demons (djins) praising the Quran 72:1

When war is prescribed to you and Islam is war against even Muslims deemed hypocrites, and war is evil, deceptions, hatred, violence, murder and all these are elements of pure darkness, it is the Muslim who was deceived and is in darkness

[Abubakerkola]

Jinns are of 2 kinds, 1 is Satan n the other is Muslim jinns. The creation of Jinns r more like the Humans, there r good n bad Jinns, just like Humans. If u understand that,then u wil understand the Quran. Quran says, some of the hearts r blocked that they do not want to comprehend the msg of true monotheism!There is no other monotheistic religion today like Islam

[BonjourNuit120]

Djins are 1 kind called Demons

They are Liars and Sura 72:1 has djins praising the Quran and if you look very closely you will notice Muhammad used all the true prophets to only endorse Islam even he used the djins.

For example he said Jesus announced with glad tidings the coming of the apostle, ahmad to whom Muhammad then referred to himself as that apostle 61:6

Would Jesus have glad tidings for Muhammad who robbed from Jesus dozens of Christian nations forcing them to convert to Islam, NEVER

[BonjourNuit120]

If you understand God is consistently compassionate you will understand that the Quran is not from God

Yes there is no other religion on earth like Islam as Islam is the only religion on earth that uses God to do evil and God will destroy Islam

Big deal you believe in one God, even demons do but God is not Satan and only Satan lies, hates and murders.

Quran says some hearts are blocked,that contradict God guides and misguides whom he wills

I am already guided by God, you are not.

[Abubakerkola]

@BonjourNuit120 ur msgs are full of hate & u accuse us for having that lol.I am sure u havent read on the hate msgs in the "torah" & "bible". Google it when ur free & u'l figure out what I am talking about.Seems u have been locked in a room without having access to the world. Continue ur hate msgs,cos ur only good at that!!

[BonjourNuit120]

@Abubakerkola I am not a Muslim therefore I have no hate towards anyone as only the Quran instructs Muslims not to be friends with infidels or hypocrites, in fact only Islam is war against all non Muslims. Shall you deny what the Quran plainly preaches? The reason why you accuse me of hating, is because you can't admit that Islam itself is war and war needs hatred to kill innocent people.

Jesus never preached war against non believers as did Muhammad which makes only Islam not from God

[Abubakerkola]

preachers have much better knowledge of bible than u do.but these preachers were sincere. n after joining islam,they did works which put me into shame being born in a christian family n I cudnt offer so much service to Islam (may Allah grant them paradise).Tell me which Jihadist went to Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Oman, UAE and other middle eastern muslim countries?They recognised the truth n accepted it. Watch the Movie "The Message" u might get better understanding of how muslims suffered..

[BonjourNuit120]

You are right, Jihad is not like the Crusades as the Crusades were never issued by Jesus but Jihad that warred against Christians and all other non Muslims since Islam began to this day, was issued by Muhammad.

Islam has been at war with non Muslims since Islam began to this day, recently 2 million Sudanese were killed by Muslims.

You said the Quran claims there is no compulsion in religion, when that is a contradiction as war is prescribed to the Muslim against infidels and war is compulsion

[Abubakerkola]

If u read history,u will find that Islam fought the oppresive governments (and never took anything from the civilians).The rule should be of Allah. Then it is the persons wish whether to accept Islam or not.Even today,Islam is the fastest growing religion n it will dominate the world.Jesus will come back and clarrify our position! Listen to Yusuf Estes and Zakir Naik if ur sincere..

[BonjourNuit120]

You can't threaten me with what Muhammad took from Rev., for he took judgment and hell when he had no right to, then he claimed he was a plain warner when God never called him to be prophet.

Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians were monotheistic but that did not spare their lives or their nations from being invaded by warring, spoil hungry Muslims

Those who killed people who will be judged, not those who rejected Muhammad.

Islam does not submit to God's will, for God's will is love your neighbors.

[BonjourNuit120]

Here you said, Allah will hold you responsible for not accepting ....as Islam ORDERS and you contradicted yourself proving Islam is only compulsion

Don't pride yourself that there are no extra chapters in the Quran for scholars as the Quran was not in Muhammad's hand when he died and the Quran came into existence by his successors who collected anything from anyone then burnt all they collected but more importantly Islam began with a false prophet

[Abubakerkola]

I have nothing more to offer u than say as one of the companion of Prophet Mohammed said:We have to take you away from the worship of the creation to worship of the creator and from the oppression of other religions to the way to Allah..You accept it, you will be saved on that day, you reject it, you r rejecting the prophets as has happened in the past. (you go fight the jews whom you accuse for killing ur so called god).Peace be on those who accepted the guidance..to u is ur way, to me is mine!

[Abubakerkola]

U have proven ur ignorance enuf.This is wat I didnt want2do.

The bible is d word of god,crap!It has portions of it,which is open pornography.Proof:

1.Juda begetting from daughter in law (genesis 38).

2.Sex between father and 2 daughters (genesis 19:30-36)

3.Son cohabits with his mother (genesis 35:22)

4.son of prohet rapes his sister (2 Samuel 13:5-14)

5.Son of prophet rapes his mothers wholesale (2 Samule 16:21-23)

List goes on. taste of ur own medicine!

[BonjourNuit97]

Deedat said several books were thrown out of the Book of God, which makes a version

Indeed Almost all the different sects of Christianity have the same Bible but 500 years ago, which is almost 900 years after the time of Muhammad, the Church split apart and the Protestants removed several chapters from the Bible because the Protestants do not have priests or nuns so they did not use nor need those chapters but if Protestants felt deprived they always could get a Roman Catholic Bible

[Abubakerkola]

RSV is throwing away verses from the bible silently saying in their preface that it had great defects. 1 of the christian magazines by the name awake said bible having 50000 mistakes (not muslims). Quran is the only other religion apart from christianity which believes in the miraculus birth of Prophet Jesus PBUH.Even modern day christians refuse to believe that, but I believe he healed the sick by gods will!! n he was not son of god or god. He was a prophet.. n we love him 4 that..

[BonjourNuit120]

Islamic praise of Jesus is a fake as its peace

You pretend to honor the miraculous birth of Jesus, when it means in Christianity that God took on a human form becoming the Son of God yet the Quran states God do battle with the Christians for saying Jesus is the Son of God, wage WAR with those whom the scriptures have been given 9:30, wage war till Islam is professed 48:16

No Muslim loves Jesus, for they hate Jesus' followers and robbed from Jesus many nations and forced them to convert to Islam

[Abubakerkola]

yes. We have books on reasons of revelation. If u read that. u will understand that it was revealed at a time when these christians have waged war against Islam.This verse is applicable 4 those who want war with Islam.The religion of God shud prevail.Not democracy(i.e. religion of Man)!

Islamic praise of Jesus is as a prophet of God.n muslims (like god instructed) do not like to hear any lie against god.If u call my child ur begotten son (I will kill u if I hav d capacity to).Ur dishonoring him

[BonjourNuit120]

Deedat you exploited that most people do not know either the Bible or the Quran

you overlook that Muhammad had no quran in his hand when he died and that there are 10 versions of the Quran to this date

The Catholic Bible had more chapters because it had priestsand the Protestant Bible had less chapters because they did not have priests

but you ignored the fact that the bible was the same from 325 A.D to 1500 A.D until the Protestants separated from the Roman Church

[Abubakerkola]

U said, there is 10 versions of Quran?This is the 1st time m hearing such a claim being a muslim. Give me ur evidence!

[BonjourNuit97]

And remember whenever you ask for proof, it is always and only because Muhammad never gave any proof instead he always sent assassins

The different Versions are

Orthodox Muslims,Pickthall,Yusuf Ali, Hilali-Khan,Shakir

Non-Orthodox Muslims:Sher Ali,Khalifa

Non-Muslims:Arberry,Palmer,Rod­well,Sale,Transliterated Arabic

[Abubakerkola]

So ful of hate:) These r not Quran in the 1st place.These r translations of diferent people which we dont consider as the word of god.

I ask proof 4 everythin, cos I got proof all the time 4 every matter in the Quran.

Y do ur christian preachers turn to Islam (i.e. Yusuf Estes and Co.).

Current day bible cannot be the word of god. Refer to lecture of "Is the bible the word of god" Think rationaly, not by what u hav been programmed to think. Open ur eyes.. I can c u in darknes.

[InnocentSinnerDesi]

Very nice video cleared one of my concepts about bible. A very clear definition of versions and translations. May Allah's mercy be upon Ahmad Deedat.

[madina55]

Ameen!