As far as sacrifice. My method is closely like yours but not the same. If Cernunnos wishes payment, I will give it to him, but mostly; since he and I have a personal relationship, he usually accepts the act of worship. Do I keep some offerings aside just in case he wishes it? Of course I do. It is like the Scout's motto at being prepared. On the term of bribery, I don't delve in that neck of the woods. When it is ritual or magick it is usually not for personal gain but for either holiday/worship
I see alot of pagans only doing ritual or offerings if they "need" something (as you noted about "bribery"). Quite a few forget that part of it, at least for me, is just making an offering (usually burying harvest from my veggie garden back to the earth, incense, etc) purely out of adoration, connection and love of their chosen deity(s).
I see you are like me in your offerings at times, just in thanks and appreciation.
I USELLY DO AN OFFERING DEPENDING ON WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. IF I DO LIKE MY DEACTION (SORRY MY SPELLING IS BAD) I SHARE WITH MOTHER EARTH WHAT I'M TAKING IN FOR ME. PERSONALY, I DON'T SACIFICE ANYTHING. BUT, I DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST ANYONE WHO DOES.
@FIREFAIRY61346982001 Good idea. Sacrifice is usually taken to mean killing something: animal or human sacrifice. Blood sacrifice is not part of my path but as long as it is done humanely, I have no problem with Santeros or Voudantes doing it. The word originally meant to 'make something holy or sacred'. It is in that context that I use it.
I don't normally offer objects, because I feel the object can disrupt the ecosystem that it's put in. It has to fit the place it's put in.. An apple can be put as an offer, I think, because it decomposes easily. but, for instance, a coin or something else that can't grow in that specific place should not be put out as an offer, because it can harm the ecosystem. Well, that's just my point of view. However, I do feel it's important to give thanks to everything given, so I tell thanks.
@lobke0102 I tend to agree. I think there are some spells in Scott Cunningham's "Earth, Air, Fire, Water" that involve throwing coins in water or putting them in the earth. I don't suppose one coin would do a lot of damage but it doesn't do any good either. I don't think a rock would hurt any. Food and drink offerings are either eaten by an animal or decompose quickly, returning to the earth.
I don't mean to sound condescending, but your interpretation of Christianity in this video is crude at best and intentionally disrespectful at worst. The statement about God being angry so someone must die was extremely offensive and I would have expected better of you as a UU.
Why describe YOUR religion by scoffing at another's?
Saying the "Pagan Parents" in contrast are not angry indicates to me that you are going out of your way to ignore basic mythology.
@Mirkwood90 Well, as a previous fundamentalist Christian he would've been surrounded by people saying just that, and using the Old Testament to back up those comments. Fundies can be very much into the old angry God thing, as they believe the Bible to be the exact word of God, and the O.T is full of God being angry with man, and man having to appease him through sacrifices. Sad but true.
@Mirkwood90 There are more than one kind of Christianity, IMHO. The fundamentalist version I was involved in taught that God was angry with sin and our sinfulness but that Jesus willingly took the punishment that we deserved. And that by having faith in this we could avoid going to hell. This is the atonement. I don't think I was scoffing so much as contrasting. There are Pagan myths that describe gods being angry. MY gods are not angry. I'm sorry you were offended.
I realize you meant no ill intent and I have seen christianity practiced in fear of God. Thanks for clarifying some points. I look forward to your further videos! Also, I appreciate your openness to diverse discussion on your comments!
@Mirkwood90 I'm glad we are cool. The fear of God can mean different things from awe and respect to terror and groveling. I don't know a lot about the version of Christianity that you practice but I do know that it is nothing like what I came out of. Had I been introduced to it , I might have found it fulfilling and never become a Pagan. As it is, fundamentalism so scared me that I have difficulty relating to deity through Christian images and words. but that is my problem not Christianity's.
Some believe that the Christian father god, also being Allah or Yahweh, is angry and demands Jesus as the sacrifice. I strongly disagee, no god(dess), including Yahweh is angry with humans. Like all deities, Allah loves, teaches, and tends to us.
Wonderful video Dancing Rabbit. It is very informative. i have been taking notes on all of these vids for my Book of Shadows. Thanks for sharing. Blessed Be!
As far as sacrifice. My method is closely like yours but not the same. If Cernunnos wishes payment, I will give it to him, but mostly; since he and I have a personal relationship, he usually accepts the act of worship. Do I keep some offerings aside just in case he wishes it? Of course I do. It is like the Scout's motto at being prepared. On the term of bribery, I don't delve in that neck of the woods. When it is ritual or magick it is usually not for personal gain but for either holiday/worship
JacobDanielRay 6 months ago
I see alot of pagans only doing ritual or offerings if they "need" something (as you noted about "bribery"). Quite a few forget that part of it, at least for me, is just making an offering (usually burying harvest from my veggie garden back to the earth, incense, etc) purely out of adoration, connection and love of their chosen deity(s).
I see you are like me in your offerings at times, just in thanks and appreciation.
Chetallica 6 months ago
I USELLY DO AN OFFERING DEPENDING ON WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. IF I DO LIKE MY DEACTION (SORRY MY SPELLING IS BAD) I SHARE WITH MOTHER EARTH WHAT I'M TAKING IN FOR ME. PERSONALY, I DON'T SACIFICE ANYTHING. BUT, I DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST ANYONE WHO DOES.
FIREFAIRY61346982001 6 months ago
@FIREFAIRY61346982001 Good idea. Sacrifice is usually taken to mean killing something: animal or human sacrifice. Blood sacrifice is not part of my path but as long as it is done humanely, I have no problem with Santeros or Voudantes doing it. The word originally meant to 'make something holy or sacred'. It is in that context that I use it.
DancingRabbit52 6 months ago
I don't normally offer objects, because I feel the object can disrupt the ecosystem that it's put in. It has to fit the place it's put in.. An apple can be put as an offer, I think, because it decomposes easily. but, for instance, a coin or something else that can't grow in that specific place should not be put out as an offer, because it can harm the ecosystem. Well, that's just my point of view. However, I do feel it's important to give thanks to everything given, so I tell thanks.
lobke0102 6 months ago
@lobke0102 I tend to agree. I think there are some spells in Scott Cunningham's "Earth, Air, Fire, Water" that involve throwing coins in water or putting them in the earth. I don't suppose one coin would do a lot of damage but it doesn't do any good either. I don't think a rock would hurt any. Food and drink offerings are either eaten by an animal or decompose quickly, returning to the earth.
DancingRabbit52 6 months ago
I don't mean to sound condescending, but your interpretation of Christianity in this video is crude at best and intentionally disrespectful at worst. The statement about God being angry so someone must die was extremely offensive and I would have expected better of you as a UU.
Why describe YOUR religion by scoffing at another's?
Saying the "Pagan Parents" in contrast are not angry indicates to me that you are going out of your way to ignore basic mythology.
Other than that, interesting video.
Mirkwood90 6 months ago
@Mirkwood90 Well, as a previous fundamentalist Christian he would've been surrounded by people saying just that, and using the Old Testament to back up those comments. Fundies can be very much into the old angry God thing, as they believe the Bible to be the exact word of God, and the O.T is full of God being angry with man, and man having to appease him through sacrifices. Sad but true.
raindog951 6 months ago
@Mirkwood90 There are more than one kind of Christianity, IMHO. The fundamentalist version I was involved in taught that God was angry with sin and our sinfulness but that Jesus willingly took the punishment that we deserved. And that by having faith in this we could avoid going to hell. This is the atonement. I don't think I was scoffing so much as contrasting. There are Pagan myths that describe gods being angry. MY gods are not angry. I'm sorry you were offended.
DancingRabbit52 6 months ago
@DancingRabbit52
I realize you meant no ill intent and I have seen christianity practiced in fear of God. Thanks for clarifying some points. I look forward to your further videos! Also, I appreciate your openness to diverse discussion on your comments!
Mirkwood90 6 months ago
@Mirkwood90 I'm glad we are cool. The fear of God can mean different things from awe and respect to terror and groveling. I don't know a lot about the version of Christianity that you practice but I do know that it is nothing like what I came out of. Had I been introduced to it , I might have found it fulfilling and never become a Pagan. As it is, fundamentalism so scared me that I have difficulty relating to deity through Christian images and words. but that is my problem not Christianity's.
DancingRabbit52 6 months ago
Some believe that the Christian father god, also being Allah or Yahweh, is angry and demands Jesus as the sacrifice. I strongly disagee, no god(dess), including Yahweh is angry with humans. Like all deities, Allah loves, teaches, and tends to us.
RedDragon033195 6 months ago
Wonderful video Dancing Rabbit. It is very informative. i have been taking notes on all of these vids for my Book of Shadows. Thanks for sharing. Blessed Be!
TheWitchminor 6 months ago