Killer Move - the Wigan Grobbit

[judopathoftruth]

Id love to see Billy Robinson V Masahiko Kimura.

[antowalk]

Was training in wigan yesterday and found out that Alan Latham had passed Couple years ago, Rileys Boys were the Best and still are the best. End of story

[Smiftyfer]

aaah big Alan Lathom in there, lovely guy

[discstu866]

the difference is your neck will break

[judopathoftruth]

Hirata Jime

nothing new here just judo

[Wavemaninawe]

Small world. I learned the same move from eskrima and Indonesian silat.

Good techniques are often somewhat universal. There are only so many ways to skin a cat.

[Sifuben]

@judopathoftruth This would be Judo which is A) much younger than catch wrestling and B) heavily influenced by catch wrestling in it's early development (many of the first and second generation Judo guys were also catch wrestlers)

[gungfu777]

"The Grobbit" - Dave Faulkner from the DVD "The Grapplers Advantage"

[antowalk]

Many of us are not educated enough on catch us can wrestling. Glad iv found out about it as it can be blended with my bjj to make me a better grappler.

[CallumJStewart]

How hard can it be to escape a small plasticine dog?

[CarNikolaj]

You just have to love how clueless the woman historician is - she believes people's motivation to wrestle is to "release their pangs of anger". Woman.

[TheGhostScientist]

You have to love how clueless the person that posted this is the name of the move is the Grovit not the grobbit.

[CarNikolaj]

He probably did it to release his pangs of anger.

[HITpadawan]

Shes not far wrong - combat sports were created within some societies as a means of training for battle, but within working communities existed as an outlet for pent up energy and aggression, much like today

[CarNikolaj]

Thats like saying that mariage was created because people were sexually frustrated.Yes,there is a bit of truth in it; but by omiting the rest of the reasons,you completely skew the whole picture.

There are probably many reasons people did combat sports - for fun,honor,to strengthen themselves thru struggle,for manliness. All fine and noble motives - why would you want to reduce them to 'anger'?

Its always tricky to try to reduce a complex thing which is human being to a single motivation.

[theyellowsupremacist]

Woman should just keep quiet and get back into the kitchen

[maniapoto01]

sexist prick

[thefamousJessieLeigh]

uuum......does noone do Jui Jitsui?

it's just a guilitine.

the only difference is that he's placing his thumb bone on the chin bone.

[whoisbrucewayne]

This is a front facelock(neck crank). It differs from the guillotine because it hurts alot more and you will get an instant tap.

[AmericanCombatAssoc]

Guillotine is a choke, Grovit or frontfacelock is a neck crank. Two different moves applied from the same position.

[Gazzjuk]

ive just found out im distantly related to Jack Dempsey is he in this documentary?

[pyeriotsquad]

He's almost in it! He's mentioned in the original 90 minute version, and also briefly caught on camera in the background.

[jblive1985]

he was a boxer not a wrestler

[pats1972]

jack dempsey was his ring name, his real name was tommy moore, you couldn't meet a nicer fella he used to come down to the snake pit with ernie riley

[JoeFrancisJohn]

CACC wrestling was also called "Loose Wrestling" as it didn't start from a tie up like Backhold, or, some of the other English styles. It dates back much further than a couple hundred years, the Romans complained of the rough style of wrestling the men Albion practiced. Wrestling competitions in England centered around wool fairs (sellers moving from fair to fair to sell their goods) and Holy Days (St. Stephens and St. Johns were two big ones).

[discstu866]

i think that the comments made under here by Kenfo0 are a disgrace to the tradition of lancashire wrestling and an offence to my former coach if you actually knew a single thing about the origins of catch you would not blaspheme with stupid comments about simpsons or pickaxe smash, if you truly wish to understand then step on the mat with a catch wrestler otherwise just appreciate the skill and shut up

[microrccar]

i know i have no place saying this but i would in a way loved to have worked in those pits all day, i love to exercise and involuntary exercise for money, even more! I would become so fit and think of working more as wrestling training.

[thetenia]

it isn't a headlock. It is however a front facelock, which has pretty much been around since socrates.

[rohimbo]

you are probably looking at the source of most modern sub and wrestling moves and that's all you can say.

You don't know anything.

[pyeriotsquad]

He said it was a Wigan move - not invented in the last 50 years - so grip yourself.

There have been 1000 mines in and around Wigan over the last 400 years - sure, the Welsh were in the mines, but they are more famous for Rugby and choirs than hardcore shooting.

Recognise and Realise - this is some Lancashire ninja artform. I have the DVD and I recommend it to anyone who needs an education in the evolution of Catch and pro wrestling.

[kenfo0]

They are showing miners....looks like 1920's or so and said they invented it, so stop gripping your mini donut holder, you've cut off blood to your brain....."ninja artform"...yikes.

[pyeriotsquad]

Many of the moves were developed around that region - that's why it was called 'Lancashire Catch as Catch Can'. Sure, it shows miners in the 1920s, believe it or not, there isn't much footage of the miners from the 18th century! The history of catch wrestling goes hand in hand with towns like Wigan. And you may call it a head lock, but round these parts it's either known as a neck crank, or 'The Wigan Grobbit'.

Maybe you can tell me where the move originated then, if it wasn't from Wigan.

[kenfo0]

It simply defies logic to think this was "invented" in the last 200 yrs. Greeks were wrestling thousands of years ago, martial arts in India, China and Japan for thousands of years...Men have been fighting for 10k years. I have nothing against the homeland of Chief Wiggums, or their rabbits. I do believe those guys could have invented "smash in head w/pickaxe" technique.

[Suriel1981]

Well said. Sadly there's always going to be some Americans who have a hard job dealing with the fact that Britain was so influential to professional wrestling.

[kenfo0]

a head-lock is this guy's "own special move", invented in the last 50 years? get a grip son.

[pyeriotsquad]

just to let you know, Wigan is a town, not a person. Hope that clears up the confusion.

[19505555]

The Welsh were the ones working the mines.

[wrestler50000]

I have this documentary and it's very good if you into a bit of history in England's influence to catch-as-catch-can (or submission wrestling in general). I was hoping some other Wigan trained wrestlers would be on it though, like Billy Robinson for example.

The Grobbit is a great yet dangerous move, which is mainly known as a front face lock today (going by the example in the video).

Again, a nice documentary!!

[Elementa2006]

I like to see that documentary

[riverhorsetv]

Hello Elementa2006 - the documentary is available/ there's more information on the production company's website 3w(dot)riverhorse(dot)tv

[antowalk]

@Elementa2006 Same here i wanna see it

[XCAMCAMMX]

these is sum lord of the rings brittsh shit yall rubish hoes

[blackjamm]

"yall rubish." Y'all can't spell. You think you could have taken on ANY of the classic English wrestlers? Those guys were tough. If anyone thinks their life in a modern country today is hard, try going down to the pit everyday, hacking away at coal for hours. So much tougher than the "gangsta" dickheads in your favourites.

[Hesquito]

Well said mate.

[pyeriotsquad]

Wow, you really should've concentrated more in school, that way you could've written something legible,