Combat Sanshou - Part 3: Takedowns, Throws and Finishing

[MechPhantom]

cool jsut asking are the throws effective in real fights? coz ihv heard that its not very effective coz its takes ALOT energy outta you which are essential for fighting and surviving in the fight, too it doesnt knock the opponent out , it just makes him more angry with you each time u throw him . is it? thx any reply is appreaciated

[ptccm]

@MechPhantom It depends on a lot of factors, just like with any other technique. Sometimes throws work great, other times not so much.There are no guarantees in a fight, it can always go wrong at any moment.

[MechPhantom]

@ptccm yea true , still for me throws are awesome, but best is to stick to striking which is surely the most effective. after all too if hes heavier than you like a fat guy etc, u cant even carry him then that will result in loss of stamina and even your own life. peace thx nice vid man u own !

[culturaleyes]

does the whirlwind throw mostly take a lot of brute strength to perform or is there a leverage aspect to it like most throws?

[ptccm]

@culturaleyes It depends on how you do it. The lifting version takes some strength, though "brute strength" is something you should always try to avoid. But there are other versions of this throw where it's all about leverage. As always, there ar many variations and tons of factors involved. All of these come into play when you do the technique in real life.

[heliojanusz]

what's the throw at about0.27?- the one from behind! Please, someone let me know of some links

[ptccm]

@heliojanusz It's called a "whirlwind throw".

[ZigZagRunner]

throwing someone into a table or onto concrete is always going to do more damage than a punch or a kick

[ptccm]

@ZigZagRunner Depends on who's doing the punching and the throwing. :-)

[ZigZagRunner]

@ptccm yes and no. a punch or a kick is quite small and even the most powerful punch or kick needs to be aimed at a vital point and even then you can seriously stuff yourself up if it lands wrong. a jointlock or broken bone is easier to do than an accurate effective knockout blow and it normally will end the fight unless your fighting rocky or something who can fight with a broken collarbone. also you look about a ten on the badass scale if you pick someone up and dump them on their head lol

[ptccm]

@ZigZagRunner I can only stand by my original reply to you. In my experience, it's all up in the air. I've hit people with my best shot and they didn't even blink. Others went down after I hardly touched them. Some guys I tossed on their head and they bounced right up. Others smacked to the floor after a measly leg sweep, fell badly and couldn't get up anymore.

I don't think anything is guaranteed in a fight. YMMV, of course.

[ZigZagRunner]

@ptccm well ive only done training and sparring so i can only put common sense to it. a punch is small but fast. a throw has alot more weight and awkwardness to it if they land funny on a hard surface they will almost certainly break something for a punch they have to land it right on the chin for a knockout unless of course your mike tyson or something. im not say one will always and the other wont im saying the chance of a throw doing more damage is greater than the chance of a punch

[ptccm]

@ZigZagRunner In theory, you're right. But like Animal said: the difference between theory and practice is than in theory, there is no difference.

Personally, I train for both both striking and throwing. Then you can pick the technique you want instead of having only one option. YMMV of course...

[DareDevilWithoutFear]

I train in BJJ and Have done a little Sanda/San Shou and lemme say this stuff is the Real Deal here!!! Like BJJ Being the most Complete on the Ground Sanda/San Shou is one of the most Complete for standup.. Mix that with The Ground work of BJJ and you have one wicked Unorthodox Combo here

[ptccm]

I agree. Sanshou has more similarities to MMA than traditional muay Thai. It can serve as a solid base for the stand up game of an MMA fighter.

[DareDevilWithoutFear]

It does and If You Mix Some San Shou with the Muay Thai Clinch with Elbows and Knees and some Dirty Boxing You have on Deadly Combo For Stand Up Fighting.. Even add Some Judo Hip throws..

this is One Art of Kung Fu that is the Real Deal

[culturaleyes]

the coolest throw of all time is at 0:25

[ptccm]

It's called the whirlwind throw and can be pretty hard to take. I held back a little with my partner because we still had a lot of techniques to shoot.

[culturaleyes]

thanks for the reply. so do you mean that the throw is hard to execute on someone, or that it really hurts to have it done to you?

[ptccm]

A little bit of both. As shown in this clip, it's not always easy to get the throw exactly like that. But it's the best way to explain it for the camera. There are other situations in which you can get to it faster though.

And it's usually pretty painful to be on the receiving end.

[ToddRJones]

I started naturally doing that throw when i started training Judo. I had never actually learned it, just came naturally when my partner/opponent would step in for a throw and fail, I could quickly get behind him like that and toss him. Only thing is in Judo it doesn't count for much if your opponent doesn't land flat on his back. Oh well.

[heliojanusz]

I thought san shou throws were a lot rougher, like the stuff Cung Le does, similar to Greco- Roman

[ptccm]

The throwing part of Sanshou (Shuai Jiao) has many, many different throws. But it is indeed very different from Greco-Roman because it has a totally different goal. If you search Youtube for "shuai jiao", you'll find lots of examples.

[Mider999]

Why does the video have such low ratings? It seems to be pretty good.

[ptccm]

Thanks for the kind words. You can't make a video and please everybody: some will love what you show, others will hate it. And that's totally normal, we're all different. As long as you enjoy your own training and are confident in what you can/can't do with your art, what does it matter how others view you?

[veshkeat]

Cung le used to do greco-roman in highschool, his takedowns are greco-roman, sanshou and MT

[bajovato]

nice. All Tai Chi? What style: Yang, Chen, Wu?

[ptccm]

Hi, the techniques in that DVD are not from tai chi, though I know some of them look similar to what certain tai chi styles have. However, these come from traditional "external" Chinese arts. In some other clips on Youtube I show some of the Wu I practice.

[hnipirdovic]

nice