I used this today one both our vehicles, it did better than advertised! Both cars were very dirty, dust and highway residue on my black Tacoma and sand Pathfinder. Separate towels and solution for both vehicles!
Was a very easy process, took less than ten minutes to wash both vehicles. I sprayed Nu Finish Cling detailer on surface before wiping dry, gave a great seal and shine with very little effort!
A halogen light confirmed no swirls, no scratches though the towel was filthy afterward!
I got some of those orange and grey microfiber Vroom towels from Target. The towels do not picture liquids to well. Do you need to wash them before using them.
@ww2717 They really aren't thick enough, IMO for drying although if you do wash them they will soak up water better. Look for some 16 x 16 microfiber towels in the 500-600 gram weight range.
"soy based polymer that encapsulates the dirt rather than surfactants that reduce surface tension and help the dirt lift it" - all marketing spiel. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of surfactants will realise that "soy based polymer" could be used to describe a whole range of surfactants. So that statement instantly discredits itself. The product is dead simple and uses ingredients which are far from revolutionary. On the other hand, glad to see someone milking the detailing world!
@talksalot81 It isn't marketing speak, not even mentioned in any advertising Optimum uses, that was taken from something the chemist who makes it wrote so it would be easier to understand rather than making the explanation overly technical.
If the ingredients were so simple to figure out, then blend at the proper level, everyone would be making it.
@Scottwax I was going on the basis that it was marketing because the fact is that the statement is a bit of a nonsense - I would rather not discredit a fellow chemist but, if you insist!
As for the product and why are others not making it... well you do know that the detailling industry is a piddly little part of the chemical industry? The vast majority of manufacturers don't care!!!
@talksalot81 You can always discuss it with the owner of Optimum Polymer Technologies. He has his Ph.D. and Masters in organic chemical engineering. He also holds a BS in Chemical Engineering and Chemistry. I'll take the word of someone who I know has credentials vs some anonymous person on the internet.
By "everyone" I mean everyone in the detailing industry.
No, in fact, the polymers in ONR will keep your car beading and feeling slick even if there isn't any wax or sealant on the paint. The effect is cumulative too, wash a car each week for 3 weeks and you will see what I mean as the slickness continually improves.
I bought out all the blue microfiber covered foam pads that Big Lots was selling a few years ago. They hold up so well, I still have a few I haven't even used yet.
I love using ONR but I feel that your process looks to be moving alot of dirt from the panel all over the panel when you are constantly going back over it. Would it not be good practice to one the panel just a few times, rinse the sponge, then possibly hit it again instead of wiping that dirty wash mit back over the paint over and over??
The dirt on the Escalade pretty much disappeared with the first pass. I've been using rinseless washes since the early 90s and have never had an issue like you describe on a vehicle that isn't really dirty. If the Escalade had been really filthy, then yes, I would have dipped the pad back into the ONR solution and gone over it again. Just wasn't dirty enough to worry about this time.
Great video Scottwax. I'm a relatively new user of ONR though I've known about it for years. I think the biggest drawback to ONR is also it's greatest strength. If you rely on fillers to improve your paint, ONR's powerful cleaning action will remove them necessitating a re waxing. I'm really referring to liquid carnauba based waxes that help my black paint look better until ONR is used. I get lazy machine polishing my own car!
On the plus side, ONR improves slickness and gloss (especially the new version that was just released) so your car looks freshly waxed all the time.
I hit my car pretty hard back in August with a rotary, 105/205 and Ultrafina and despite the 2nd snowiest and 8th coldest on record in the Dallas area, regularly ONR washing has left my paint mar and swirl free so there was no need to polish it again this spring.
I got it at Big Lots, they were $2 each. Very soft microfiber cover over a foam pad. Had them 2 years now, not a single one has split at the seams. They hold up so well I have several I haven't even used yet. Target has a similar MF pad, sort of an off-white color.
hey, I found this link via autopia. I am @ qwik wash off 380/75 where we have been using zaino for a few years now, myself for about 5. We just got a few samples of gloss-it. What are your comments regarding the two?
I haven't used gloss-it but after reading a few comments from others regarding their marketing methods, not sure I want to do business with them. Do a search on autopia and you'll see what I am talking about.
Not a huge Zaino fan, tried it several times and really don't see what the big deal is. Decent stuff but I like Optimum's Opti-Seal and Clearkote's Carnauba Moose as my main LSPs. I do like the smell of Z-10 though.
Hmm, I honestly think this stuff is just a very mild form of car detergent such as the one used in pressure washers. I did a little testing on my black suv which had a bit of dirt on it. I mixed a cap of Simoniz car detergent for pressure washer with about a half gallon of water and used a microfibre mitt and tried this same technique. And, amazingly i got a clean SUV with no swirl marks. SPOT TEST IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRY. And I am not responsible for damage to your car :)
I've never done a chemical analysis of ONR, but I do know that it is a noticable improvement over QEW (Protectall Quick and Easy Wash) in that ONR cleans the paint at least as well and also adds more gloss and leaves the paint slicker. Plus ONR keeps your paint beading even after any wax protection is gone. I have a couple customers whose vehicles I haven't waxed in more than two year, yet they still bead from regular ONR washing. Don't think car wash soap will do that.
The chemical make-up of ONR is nothing like regular car wash soaps. ONR uses a soy based polymer that encapsulates the dirt rather than surfactants that reduce surface tension and help the dirt lift it. I find I get significantly less swirls/marring from ONR than with traditional washing. Without soap suds getting in the way, I can clearly see the surface of the car as I wash it. In addition, since you dry as you wash, no spotting and no marring from drying dry paint.
does this method ad swirl marks when you clean the car. That is my biggest fear. I bought a new car last April and i have never taken it to the car wash. i wash by hand like twice a week but ever since winter hit i haven't been able to wash it and i refuse to go to the automated car wash. Thanks in advance. It has a lot of salt residue on it.
I used this today one both our vehicles, it did better than advertised! Both cars were very dirty, dust and highway residue on my black Tacoma and sand Pathfinder. Separate towels and solution for both vehicles!
Was a very easy process, took less than ten minutes to wash both vehicles. I sprayed Nu Finish Cling detailer on surface before wiping dry, gave a great seal and shine with very little effort!
A halogen light confirmed no swirls, no scratches though the towel was filthy afterward!
WestCarolina1861 6 months ago
@WestCarolina1861 I save a ton of time using ONR, I dread the once or twice a year I have to pull out a hose to wash a mud caked vehicle.
Scottwax 4 months ago
Scott:
I got some of those orange and grey microfiber Vroom towels from Target. The towels do not picture liquids to well. Do you need to wash them before using them.
ww2717 6 months ago
@ww2717 They really aren't thick enough, IMO for drying although if you do wash them they will soak up water better. Look for some 16 x 16 microfiber towels in the 500-600 gram weight range.
Scottwax 6 months ago
"soy based polymer that encapsulates the dirt rather than surfactants that reduce surface tension and help the dirt lift it" - all marketing spiel. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of surfactants will realise that "soy based polymer" could be used to describe a whole range of surfactants. So that statement instantly discredits itself. The product is dead simple and uses ingredients which are far from revolutionary. On the other hand, glad to see someone milking the detailing world!
talksalot81 10 months ago
@talksalot81 Agreed. I chuckled to myself when I read that. That type of speak is far too common.
RJhasFLOW 8 months ago
@talksalot81 It isn't marketing speak, not even mentioned in any advertising Optimum uses, that was taken from something the chemist who makes it wrote so it would be easier to understand rather than making the explanation overly technical.
If the ingredients were so simple to figure out, then blend at the proper level, everyone would be making it.
Scottwax 8 months ago
@Scottwax I was going on the basis that it was marketing because the fact is that the statement is a bit of a nonsense - I would rather not discredit a fellow chemist but, if you insist!
As for the product and why are others not making it... well you do know that the detailling industry is a piddly little part of the chemical industry? The vast majority of manufacturers don't care!!!
talksalot81 8 months ago
@talksalot81 You can always discuss it with the owner of Optimum Polymer Technologies. He has his Ph.D. and Masters in organic chemical engineering. He also holds a BS in Chemical Engineering and Chemistry. I'll take the word of someone who I know has credentials vs some anonymous person on the internet.
By "everyone" I mean everyone in the detailing industry.
Scottwax 7 months ago
Can you use this stuff in direct sunlight?
chuckplar 1 year ago
@chuckplar
I use it in the full sun all the time. On dark cars on hot days, you have to wash in smaller sections to prevent premature drying.
Scottwax 1 year ago
Stupid question incoming, will using a Rinse-less Wash strip the wax?
PorkChopify 1 year ago
@PorkChopify
No, in fact, the polymers in ONR will keep your car beading and feeling slick even if there isn't any wax or sealant on the paint. The effect is cumulative too, wash a car each week for 3 weeks and you will see what I mean as the slickness continually improves.
Scottwax 1 year ago
@Scottwax
What brand of microfiber sponge are you using and where did you purchase it from?
ww2717 1 year ago
Scott any reason you don't use two buckets?
kplaya186 1 year ago
@kplaya186
Really haven't found a need too. If a car is very dirty, I just swap the water and ONR mix out halfway through.
Scottwax 1 year ago
@Scottwax
What brand of Microfiber sponge are you using and where did you purchase it from?
ww2717 1 year ago
@ww2717
I bought out all the blue microfiber covered foam pads that Big Lots was selling a few years ago. They hold up so well, I still have a few I haven't even used yet.
Scottwax 1 year ago
I love using ONR but I feel that your process looks to be moving alot of dirt from the panel all over the panel when you are constantly going back over it. Would it not be good practice to one the panel just a few times, rinse the sponge, then possibly hit it again instead of wiping that dirty wash mit back over the paint over and over??
MFerguson414 1 year ago
@MFerguson414
The dirt on the Escalade pretty much disappeared with the first pass. I've been using rinseless washes since the early 90s and have never had an issue like you describe on a vehicle that isn't really dirty. If the Escalade had been really filthy, then yes, I would have dipped the pad back into the ONR solution and gone over it again. Just wasn't dirty enough to worry about this time.
Scottwax 1 year ago
Great video Scottwax. I'm a relatively new user of ONR though I've known about it for years. I think the biggest drawback to ONR is also it's greatest strength. If you rely on fillers to improve your paint, ONR's powerful cleaning action will remove them necessitating a re waxing. I'm really referring to liquid carnauba based waxes that help my black paint look better until ONR is used. I get lazy machine polishing my own car!
OctaneGuy 2 years ago
On the plus side, ONR improves slickness and gloss (especially the new version that was just released) so your car looks freshly waxed all the time.
I hit my car pretty hard back in August with a rotary, 105/205 and Ultrafina and despite the 2nd snowiest and 8th coldest on record in the Dallas area, regularly ONR washing has left my paint mar and swirl free so there was no need to polish it again this spring.
Scottwax 1 year ago
Nice details, Scottwax :bowdown:
drimmie 2 years ago
Scott, where did you get the wash "mit" from?
Boodieman72 2 years ago
I got it at Big Lots, they were $2 each. Very soft microfiber cover over a foam pad. Had them 2 years now, not a single one has split at the seams. They hold up so well I have several I haven't even used yet. Target has a similar MF pad, sort of an off-white color.
Scottwax 2 years ago
Rollin' in a Cadillac!!!
Beautiful car
FTrain4750 2 years ago
hey, I found this link via autopia. I am @ qwik wash off 380/75 where we have been using zaino for a few years now, myself for about 5. We just got a few samples of gloss-it. What are your comments regarding the two?
bondslayer 2 years ago
I haven't used gloss-it but after reading a few comments from others regarding their marketing methods, not sure I want to do business with them. Do a search on autopia and you'll see what I am talking about.
Not a huge Zaino fan, tried it several times and really don't see what the big deal is. Decent stuff but I like Optimum's Opti-Seal and Clearkote's Carnauba Moose as my main LSPs. I do like the smell of Z-10 though.
Scottwax 2 years ago
Hmm, I honestly think this stuff is just a very mild form of car detergent such as the one used in pressure washers. I did a little testing on my black suv which had a bit of dirt on it. I mixed a cap of Simoniz car detergent for pressure washer with about a half gallon of water and used a microfibre mitt and tried this same technique. And, amazingly i got a clean SUV with no swirl marks. SPOT TEST IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRY. And I am not responsible for damage to your car :)
KSBains 2 years ago
I've never done a chemical analysis of ONR, but I do know that it is a noticable improvement over QEW (Protectall Quick and Easy Wash) in that ONR cleans the paint at least as well and also adds more gloss and leaves the paint slicker. Plus ONR keeps your paint beading even after any wax protection is gone. I have a couple customers whose vehicles I haven't waxed in more than two year, yet they still bead from regular ONR washing. Don't think car wash soap will do that.
Scottwax 2 years ago
@KSBains
The chemical make-up of ONR is nothing like regular car wash soaps. ONR uses a soy based polymer that encapsulates the dirt rather than surfactants that reduce surface tension and help the dirt lift it. I find I get significantly less swirls/marring from ONR than with traditional washing. Without soap suds getting in the way, I can clearly see the surface of the car as I wash it. In addition, since you dry as you wash, no spotting and no marring from drying dry paint.
Scottwax 1 year ago
bought some detailer's choice mf pads today. can't wait to use them.
spike4122 3 years ago
update: they're awesome
spike4122 2 years ago
does this method ad swirl marks when you clean the car. That is my biggest fear. I bought a new car last April and i have never taken it to the car wash. i wash by hand like twice a week but ever since winter hit i haven't been able to wash it and i refuse to go to the automated car wash. Thanks in advance. It has a lot of salt residue on it.
MOEVTEC 3 years ago
Hehe, wow a name from the past! Good stuff there SW. I should have known I'd run into you from places outside of Autopia. Hope you're doing well!
Intermezzo1 3 years ago
Tony! Glad to see you are still around.
Scottwax 3 years ago
Excellent, Scottwax. I just got some ONR a week or two ago and I love it. It may just replace conventional washing because it takes so little time.
HoldenCaulfield04 3 years ago