i heard nothing but good about this armor! then i heard that the glue they use to hold the plates together in this armor start to come apart if they get wet from things like sweat or oil.
does anyone know if thats true? b,c if its not this armor is vasty superior to the armor our boys have been wearing for years.
... it's steel jacketed bullet, it doesn't have a copper jacket ... OMG I hate those shit informations , ......... why don't he says what is the core made of (mild steel , hardened steel , lead ,etc), that is the most important information
@akzo74 lol? unit of force acted on the armour per unit of thickness. graphene is merely a name for the substance... doesn't mean it have to limited to a number of hexagonal rings of carbon.
@iPwntNubs graphene is by definition an atomic layer as characterized by sp2 bonding...if you try to bond multiple layers you'll change the bonding and end up with graphite, Plus hardness is not force per area that's stress, hardness is the force of an indenter divided by the normalized affected area.
This stuff has failed separate and multiple testing by the Army (twice, once under extreme Congressional scrutiny), the Marines, and the NIJ. Instead of fixing his product, Murray whined to the press even more. It falls apart when exposed to things like heat and hydraulic fluid (as used in M1 Abrams, M2/M3 Bradleys, M113, most trucks, Strykers, ASVs, MRAPS, etc).
its a shame that the Canadian and American government are too ignorant and corrupt to take advantage of this amazing technology. It's been proven, tested and presented to the public and private sectors of North America but still the armor gets rejected and our soldiers get to continue using the outdated pathetic "armor plates" that get raped by 1-3 shots from an ak-47... who in the world, trying to kill someone, will only shoot 3 rounds?
The world is ran by money, not people or good will.
@No603Scope You cannot compare Canadian and American war Technology. Canadians have much older technology. Not as much money is put into the Canadian military as the American. But Canadians are doing something... i mean their death rate is quite low.
This can't be used because explosives or explosive rounds will infact separate the armor and make it shred through the human behind it with explosive power killing them.
Only the elite get to use you because everyone else already spent too much money buying into a shitty outdated product or are simply scared of change.
It failed the heat and cold testing. in Afghanistan it falls apart because of the heat melting the glue holding the disks together also its heaver than the interceptor vests by like 10 lbs so basically it sucks
yup it doesn't penetrate but it will make your insides cookie dough,they need to send somebody really important to iraq so they can come up with a real armor, all of this is just a joke.
I would love to see a group of multi billionaire philanthropists who made their money in America willingly donate the funding for these vests to be given to each soldier in our armed forces. I would have a hell of a lot more respect for them if they did this instead of donating money to some art project or useless other thing they typically donate to.
@Assi2004 In an idea world were war wouldnt be ever have a need to be resorted to, I would agree. But, this is reality and the main reason why my country (USA) has many opportunity for the average person to have the pleasure of freedom, independence and liberty is because of war and the ability of our armed forces to exact it fairly effectively, should the need arise. So, since war is a reality to this world, I feel that enabling a soldier to survive gives them an edge that assures all else.
@Assi2004 I'll butt in, Japan uses our military we defend them. They cannot have a military because of WW2. and more freedom? How? what is more freedom? In the USA I can own firearms europe you can't restricted freedom right there.
Just look at Iraq and how many civillians that former dictator killed. Going there to destroy that monster is worth the war. I have talked to children there that watched family die before their eyes. Mosters like that are why we have wars.
@Assi2004 the U.S. has a mutual protection treaty with the Japanese so yes we "defend" them and as such they are required to help us defend our interests in their country. As for freedom the U.S. has the most educational freedom out of any country in the world including Japan, the U.K. and Germany. We offer more money, more degrees, and more opportunities to people who in other countries would not be able to afford higher education. Hence why we also have a large foreign student population.
@Assi2004 They have a swat police force nothing more really. If they were attacted we would fight for them I was stationed there.
I'm talking legally. Colombine shooters had goten those guns illegally. I wont lie I do believe in strict gun laws but to tell the people they cannot shoot for sport or hunt is very resrictive.
@Assi2004 Every government has an agenda but our "selfish" government has killed dictators aided countries around the world its not perfect but nothing is.
We have troops there for sability just like we did in Japan post WW2. Every year there are less and less there, when they can stand we'll be gone. But its in the US intersest not to have another World Trade Center situation where thousands died and being theredoes help the civilians.
It has nothing to do with money,well not in the manner you suggest at least. Your premise is completely wrong. SGLI is $250k. US military also pays a monthly sum to those who have been wounded and will pay the healthcare costs to treat those wounds for life.
The problem is corruption, oversight, and accountability regarding DoD contracting. This often results in incredibly costly and inferior gear being chosen.
@airbomb34 no no no no no they dont use it because it loses all ability to absorb bullets and force in cold weather. Desert + night + fucking freezing. Freezing + this armor = shattering like glass
@DoctorFreeman97 - where did you get your facts? I in no way mean to flame you but you couldn't be more wrong. This armor is made of silicon carbide ceramic's the same matierals used is OUR CURRENT "Point Blank" piece of shit vests we're issued today. Airbomb34 was 100% correct the government will not buy (and has actually banned the use of) Dragonskin because of corrupt politicians giving eachother handouts in the form of military contracts. Fact is this armor offers greater protection for
@DoctorFreeman97 -greater protection for less than the military pays for the vests we have now. Also due to the fact that the manufacturer of dragon skin advertised it as a LV IV without it actually being certified at that level which also hindered it's acceptance by the US military. But for the record Special forces in afganistan, A LOT of generals "In Theater", The FBI, as well as the CIA all use this armor.
@DoctorFreeman97 - And if you're thinking "well if it's made of the same stuff then how is it better?" it's due in fact to the way it's engineered and how it's employed. This uses (as the video said) smaller overlapping ceramic discs that evenly distribute the muzzle velocity of an incoming projectile, as opposed to our current 10lb monoblock ceramic plate which shatters completely after 2 - 3 impacts thereby becoming completely unable to stop rounds. Cold weather has 0 effect on ceramics
@jdcase1982 "Cold weather has 0 effect on ceramics" not true plasticity is directly related to temperature. Also it doesn't spread impact better, it concentrates it. Everyone's ill conceived argument is that a lot of small things transfer energy faster than one big thing, this holds no water, how is it physically possible for energy to spread faster when it has to bridge the physical gap of separated discs than when it can move through a large continuous plate?
@akzo74 - actually it is true sir, there were complaints for BOTH dragon skin & interceptor that extreme cold weather had negative impacts on it's stopping ability but in dod testing interceptor passed, dragon skin supposedly did not due to the cold weather causing the ceramic discs to slip loose of their holding cells. also ur apparently not paying attention to how dragon skin works (or interceptor for that matter) they don't concentrate the force of a bullet why in the world would any body
@jdcase1982 you didn't read what i wrote, concentration is a negative effect of DS, it's not intentional and I never said interceptor did this. People think it transfers better but that's not the case, you lose the ability to quickly spread impact energy when you make gaps in your transfer material. And the cold weather performance would be due to the glue used in DS but the available slip planes in SiC are really functions of temperature.
@akzo74 - armor want to concentrate 2380fps (typical ak47 load) into a single spot? just because a shot doesn't penetrate doesn't mean it can't kill. body armor defeats a ballistic threat by causing the round (as this video says for hard armor) to shatter WHILE @ the same time dispersing the force of the round across a greater area than the size of the round. interceptor does it, dragon skin does it better. the discs on dragon skin rest on top of eachother they aren't gapped btw
@akzo74 i think in your mind sir their gapped like my fingers or toes look at thow the plates are layered I own both the interceptor amour with sapi plates and one of the sv3000 dragon skin vests and i will say they weigh about the same but the dragon skin covers much more of my torso. pay attention (or google sir) the design of the vest the plates aren't gapped like our fingers they lay on top of eachother like scales hence "Dragonskin" but i have to go work my 12hr shift this was fun sir
@jdcase1982 yeah I need to go to sleep, but the problem is there are more free surfaces as in non bonded edges, this causes internal wave reflection and the more free surfaces the more reflection so in designing something that has fast transfer you want as few free surfaces as possible. DS does the opposite and it doesn't matter so much how far gapped they are because a portion of the compressive wavefront still see's it as a free surface even if the discs are sitting right on top of each other.
@akzo74 - and the reason I bought one of these vests is I work in corrections the sapi plates weigh far too much and interceptor offers no side protection or knife protection either dragon skin does though and like I'm sure you can see on google somewhere I was sold on this amour when a california pd shot it with a .308lampua round and it stopped it cold. that to me was worth the price tag
@jdcase1982 everything in armor is a trade off, DS minimizes massive fracture in the simplest way possible (by separating the plate into many plates) but the trade off for this is the impact energy is going to be more confined by all the free surfaces you used to isolate the armor from itself. Unfortunately you can't have everything, if you maximize one property (multi-hit capacity) you likely reduce another (impact energy dispersion).
@airbomb34 No y'all are both right. In addition to that the Interceptor body armor was brought to the military first. The moral of the story is the early bird gets the worm. Weird though how my CO's are wearing it though. That's life.
If you look at how the armour is after all these rounds are fired you can see that there are no pretuding ceramic disks anymore, they have been broken in the armour. Under repeated use bullets would the bullets not move through the powder/broken disks and then penetrate the body?
rib breaker ak47 ballastic tip will break your ribs no matter what your gonna hit the ground no matter what so what the body armor will stop the round but it will break your ribs anyways!
You're retarded...most soldiers are hit in the upper torso. The head is a hard target to hit when the person is moving. The head is not "most vulnerable" it is just the most important area of the body.
Hmm, OK sorry for the retard bit. However, you stated what you were saying as a "fact" not an opinion. And...I don't think you could get shot that many times in the torso by military grade weapons and live =]. Maybe a hand gun carried by some punk. What I'm saying though is that the head is NOT "Most vulnerable during combat", it is most susceptible to irreversible damage IF hit, than the torso. It makes sense to focus mainly on the part most likely to be hit.
@DeathGhost809 Still it won't be adopted by our forces because of its prise. Did you heard that man? each one of those little disks is made of a material 2nd to diamond. Imagine all soldiers wearing that. Millions of dollars.
@zerocker45 but i think it worse becouse it will make super soldier, but thuogh still thinking about the carbon nanotubes, it costs nearly the same and the same toughness
@zerocker45 I don't know the price of these things, but creating a material hard as diamond is far from as expensive as diamond itself. Imagine if industrial diamonds (used in oil rig drills) were as expensive as natural ones; there wouldn't be that much of a profit if they had to use several -huge- natural diamonds to dig with, which again, had to be shifted for new ones once in a while. Anyways... Millions of dollars or not; at least it increases the chance of getting US soldiers back alive...
@Godz92 Well its true, but i was just saying that the US army ain't going to adopt it. At least not in long time and when i mean long time is like 20 years.
@AH64RAPTOR well... when a body armors comes a long that can stop it. That will be the biggest thing happening in armor since they decided to wear protective gear.
Who cares if you think it is rigged. wtf are you going to do about it? Absolutely nothing thats what. Monolithic plates still save lives, Dragon Skin may do the same. Though I would like to see the p90's 5.7 round used on it
@Zookerman1232 except there's already competition because interceptor is made by more than one company. And if the army really wanted DS they'd buy the technology and license it's production out to multiple companies because they don't like to rely on one place for vital things like guns, armor, ammunition, clothes, etc...
@jgtheman84 Well sadly the military don't think spending an extra $2000 to save a soldiers life is worth it. So yes, they don't give a shit, infantry are like pawns in a chess game to them. At the end of the day the war in Iraq/Afghanistan is for the mass oil reserves, it always comes down to money, greed, greed and more fucking greed. The government are not satisfied until they have gorged their bellies with lots and lots of money. War = profiteering.
Did anyone else notice he said it was a steel jacketed bullet??? No such thing, then then he contradicts him self and says its BALL ammo. Ammo from IRAQ really that stuff that blows up in your gun. I don't think he knows what hes talking about. I want to see an Independent test done with "Tungsten CORE Penetrators"like the Millitary used on it and it failed against. Just because they are cops doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.
@scoutsniper811 vidia bullets or dum-dum bullets ..or Tungsten (Wr) CORE ... because i been almost 5 year in army and I know what you talking about ... couse I from east Europe bro and they just want to sell this kind of stuff ... IS PURE MARKETING !!!!!!
@scoutsniper811 there is not one army that shoots tungsten-carbide core ammo, not to mention it being cost inefficient, tungsten $20,000-$25,000 a ton, whereas copper is about $5,000 a ton. 99% of all ammunition made is lead core, copper-jacket. the body armor our military uses fails its own "tungsten-carbide core ammo" test. its rigged so that the contracted body armor company gets their contract renewed year after year, even though their armor is worst armor in the world.
@803brando WOW! so all 4 branches of the U.S. Military rigged there armor tests even though its just one Army General left the Army and went to work for a body armor company. So i guess you were at all those test saw every thing and is now going to blow the whistle on the military!!!! I love how easy it is for every one to say conspiracy, I guess u saw the guy on the grassy knoll to. All 4 branches are at those tests, thats a lot of people to pay off...
@803brando WOW! so all 4 branches of the U.S. Military rigged there armor tests even though its just one Army General left the Army and went to work for a body armor company. So i guess you were at all those test saw every thing and is now going to blow the whistle on the military!!!! I love how easy it is for every one to say conspiracy, I guess u saw the guy on the grassy knoll to. All 4 branches are at those tests, thats a lot of people to pay off...
@scoutsniper811 now you understand,one general can put fear into subordinates about their career paths.It is rigged, as i have said before there is not one military in the world that uses tung-carbide rounds.With a $350,000,000 contract you can pay ANY amount of people off,or just use the brass to put fear into people.there were many people fired for speaking out or "blowing the whistle" and several of them had gag orders placed on them so they couldn't testify in font of a congressional hearing
@803brando Maybe you want to re-phrase that statement. Almost every first and many second world armies have access to tungsten tipped rounds including the US (M993) and Russia (7N24). There have been confirmed penetrations by tungsten tipped rounds in Iraq but not Afghanistan. This lead to the development of ESAPI plates. You don't see these rounds that often due to lack of need at this point.
You cannot issue a gag order against testifying at a Congressional hearing.
@803brando OR Maybe (Crazy thought here!) Dragon skin just didn't meet Military standards. Its heavy, expensive and hard to manufacture, the entire vest has to be replaced once hit insted of replaceing one plate. I have friends who are alive today thanks to interceptor body armor. Dragon Skin has its place in the world of body armor and one day that might be on the battlefield. its great armor for LE, SWAT and Special forces who need more mobility. One day it will be the best, but not today.
Well if it is flexible enough, they should take the opportunity to extend the body armor at least to the arms... Isn't that obvious? And again nothing said about internal damage to the body. Not penetrating the vest is good but is it efficient enough to spread the force generated by the impact of the bullet, and that way, to avoid internal bleeding and lesions? it is equally important
i heard nothing but good about this armor! then i heard that the glue they use to hold the plates together in this armor start to come apart if they get wet from things like sweat or oil.
does anyone know if thats true? b,c if its not this armor is vasty superior to the armor our boys have been wearing for years.
bobwatters 13 hours ago
... it's steel jacketed bullet, it doesn't have a copper jacket ... OMG I hate those shit informations , ......... why don't he says what is the core made of (mild steel , hardened steel , lead ,etc), that is the most important information
Findler2 1 day ago
What's a faget?
elox02 3 weeks ago
the next best armour is made of carbon nanotubes which are extremely light and is almost as hard as graphene (strongest material known to man)
iPwntNubs 2 months ago
@iPwntNubs "as hard as graphene", how are you measuring the hardness of something that's only an atomic layer thick?
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 lol? unit of force acted on the armour per unit of thickness. graphene is merely a name for the substance... doesn't mean it have to limited to a number of hexagonal rings of carbon.
iPwntNubs 1 month ago
@iPwntNubs graphene is by definition an atomic layer as characterized by sp2 bonding...if you try to bond multiple layers you'll change the bonding and end up with graphite, Plus hardness is not force per area that's stress, hardness is the force of an indenter divided by the normalized affected area.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 that is why i suggested carbon nanotubes.
iPwntNubs 1 month ago
Its all about contract and the money that follows..
SharQus 2 months ago
This stuff has failed separate and multiple testing by the Army (twice, once under extreme Congressional scrutiny), the Marines, and the NIJ. Instead of fixing his product, Murray whined to the press even more. It falls apart when exposed to things like heat and hydraulic fluid (as used in M1 Abrams, M2/M3 Bradleys, M113, most trucks, Strykers, ASVs, MRAPS, etc).
Unicorn161 2 months ago
image a full body armor....
the7observer 3 months ago
its a shame that the Canadian and American government are too ignorant and corrupt to take advantage of this amazing technology. It's been proven, tested and presented to the public and private sectors of North America but still the armor gets rejected and our soldiers get to continue using the outdated pathetic "armor plates" that get raped by 1-3 shots from an ak-47... who in the world, trying to kill someone, will only shoot 3 rounds?
The world is ran by money, not people or good will.
No603Scope 3 months ago
@No603Scope You cannot compare Canadian and American war Technology. Canadians have much older technology. Not as much money is put into the Canadian military as the American. But Canadians are doing something... i mean their death rate is quite low.
halflife103 2 months ago 2
This can't be used because explosives or explosive rounds will infact separate the armor and make it shred through the human behind it with explosive power killing them.
jamespuckett1 3 months ago
@jamespuckett1 not true, tested against a fragmentation grenade at point blank on future wepons. the armor held.
LightfeatherxX 3 months ago
@jamespuckett1
liza meyers tested it in a german military facility where they shot it with a 50 caliber incindiary round and it didn't penetrate it
PressyTCN 2 months ago
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JesterGz 3 months ago
Good idea
Tigerpedo 3 months ago
if the army wont use them, how about navy seals or rangers?
Less Troops= less money
Better troops= less likley to even get shot
If shot= get up and keep fighting
Outcome=almost invincible troops
SuperDues19 3 months ago
1. those arent ak47s, its the type 56. i can tell from the front sight and bayonet.
2. that armor... is awesome!
evanatromitoszarsaz 4 months ago
Oh, Dragon Skin. The Linux of the body armors.
Only the elite get to use you because everyone else already spent too much money buying into a shitty outdated product or are simply scared of change.
atan0k 4 months ago
Alright, alright, CoD-like spec ops are getting realistic...
BlessedOnion 4 months ago
@BlessedOnion LOL
TheYounoob115 3 months ago
Head shot fail .
Lotum4n 4 months ago
The failed Heat testing, the disk melt and burn in hot daylight, ecspecially in places like Afgahnistan and Iraq.
MrSquaky 4 months ago
that's sick!
amazing stuff!
kouzman 5 months ago in playlist More videos from airbomb34
It failed the heat and cold testing. in Afghanistan it falls apart because of the heat melting the glue holding the disks together also its heaver than the interceptor vests by like 10 lbs so basically it sucks
ringfactory 5 months ago
I love how cops think there some kinda of elite combat unit.
CyberSoldierD19 5 months ago
@CyberSoldierD19
lol for real man, there so fucking lame
kingofthe40oz 3 months ago
The Best armor in the world is, by not going to war.
moistfaucet 5 months ago 16
@moistfaucet well that will never happen ..come back to the real world where wars are fought everyday over seas in in the states
JUKEBOXX1990 5 months ago
@moistfaucet faget
UncleSeaJ6 1 month ago
@moistfaucet i wise person said ''a good leader tries to prevent war, but is always prepared for it'' true
Will91289 2 weeks ago
3:16 UNSAFE!
squatchmaster5000 5 months ago
@squatchmaster5000 0:04 UNSAFE!* lol
Mike11069 5 months ago
why don't the insurgents just shoot the soldiers in the face?
DJManBlack 5 months ago
The way it sounds, you can kill your buddies with the ricochet of the bullets that shatter.
Gebruikersbewi 6 months ago
the politicians did not buy this because the company that make the body armour use by
the US army, give some money to the politicians if they purchase their products.
example if they pay 1 billion dollars they will give the politicians 15 millions something like that. not accurate ok.
ramfery23 6 months ago
Intersepter armor+ Kevlar+dragonskin=best protection
haloboyFNFAL 7 months ago
so here it's the deal, they need to figure something that will keep the armor a couple inches from the body,that way it won't mess the insides.
panchovillaxx7 7 months ago
yup it doesn't penetrate but it will make your insides cookie dough,they need to send somebody really important to iraq so they can come up with a real armor, all of this is just a joke.
panchovillaxx7 7 months ago
thats still would have liquified the person wereing the jacket's insides one major floor there
BringMeTheDrumer 7 months ago
he says its not a copper jacket, it WAS a copper jacket STEEL core round., not a steel jacket. moron
driftzsan 7 months ago
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Thumbs this u[p so people can see:
In cold weather, this armor shatters like glass, so they wont use it in the military. KBRO?
DoctorFreeman97 7 months ago
going to have to reinvent all the bullets so they can
penetrate vests or may not kill the soldiers and
end war or bullets!
hermosotealonso 8 months ago
make the ultimate solder, cover the body with this shit, and put a inch thick bulletproof glass as a visor:) walking tank
Dustin543432321 8 months ago
@Dustin543432321 Sounds like a sardukar.. lol.
Seriously though, the army is already working on something like that.. google power armor.
Klaus1386 8 months ago
Okay so this stuff is better the actual steel plate body armor?
pvtsnowball201 8 months ago
@pvtsnowball201 if you fire that 7.62 FMJ round torwards a 3 inch thick steel plate you will get a steel asshole
vibers9 7 months ago
Lets see a 308 with a steel core and steel jacket vs dragon skin or how about my svt 7.62x54r aginst it and if ur that close a headshoot would work
xundeadpkerx 8 months ago
those were some fucking annoying camera angles.
yackemflamber 8 months ago
@yackemflamber LMFAO
asianiinvasion 8 months ago
Do they test armor piercing rounds on the armor?
j7512 8 months ago
@j7512 That would not take a shots like those.
moocows111111 7 months ago
i like how this supposedly isnt as effective as the interceptor armor that breaks down after 5 shots or so
jabara83 8 months ago
I would love to see a group of multi billionaire philanthropists who made their money in America willingly donate the funding for these vests to be given to each soldier in our armed forces. I would have a hell of a lot more respect for them if they did this instead of donating money to some art project or useless other thing they typically donate to.
traderjoes 8 months ago
@traderjoes like saving lives, education, 3rd wold development or such crap...
supporting war is a much better, right?
especially invading other countrys for resources (oh, it was against a-bombs, right...)
doh!
Assi2004 8 months ago
@Assi2004 In an idea world were war wouldnt be ever have a need to be resorted to, I would agree. But, this is reality and the main reason why my country (USA) has many opportunity for the average person to have the pleasure of freedom, independence and liberty is because of war and the ability of our armed forces to exact it fairly effectively, should the need arise. So, since war is a reality to this world, I feel that enabling a soldier to survive gives them an edge that assures all else.
traderjoes 8 months ago
@traderjoes
wow jez...
how does japan (without an army since WW2) come to more freedom, fortune and independence?
or so many other countrys in the word that have even more freedom and independence?
and whats the difference of freedom and liberty?
how was that with the war against "terrorism"?
give up liberty to get more freedom?
btw... since when are the people of the USA independent?
they need dumb TV to live their most likely miserable lifes (tho the USA are not the only ones to do so)
Assi2004 8 months ago
@Assi2004 I'll butt in, Japan uses our military we defend them. They cannot have a military because of WW2. and more freedom? How? what is more freedom? In the USA I can own firearms europe you can't restricted freedom right there.
Just look at Iraq and how many civillians that former dictator killed. Going there to destroy that monster is worth the war. I have talked to children there that watched family die before their eyes. Mosters like that are why we have wars.
pharettface 8 months ago
@pharettface no one defends japan and its is not under any atack or thread (and btw - they have a small defensive kind of army)
u can even buy rocket launchers and stuff in iraq and other countrys, i dont think they have more freedom because of that ;)
maybe the freedom to have gun rampages in schools?
there are several dictators all over the word, but u only "destroy" that one with oil?
weird.
also, his regime ended in 2003... now its 2011 and the USA still have 50.000 man out there?
Assi2004 8 months ago
@Assi2004 the U.S. has a mutual protection treaty with the Japanese so yes we "defend" them and as such they are required to help us defend our interests in their country. As for freedom the U.S. has the most educational freedom out of any country in the world including Japan, the U.K. and Germany. We offer more money, more degrees, and more opportunities to people who in other countries would not be able to afford higher education. Hence why we also have a large foreign student population.
akzo74 8 months ago
@Assi2004 They have a swat police force nothing more really. If they were attacted we would fight for them I was stationed there.
I'm talking legally. Colombine shooters had goten those guns illegally. I wont lie I do believe in strict gun laws but to tell the people they cannot shoot for sport or hunt is very resrictive.
pharettface 8 months ago
@Assi2004 Every government has an agenda but our "selfish" government has killed dictators aided countries around the world its not perfect but nothing is.
We have troops there for sability just like we did in Japan post WW2. Every year there are less and less there, when they can stand we'll be gone. But its in the US intersest not to have another World Trade Center situation where thousands died and being theredoes help the civilians.
pharettface 8 months ago
time to make a complete tow to head body armor of this stuff
51Commandos 9 months ago
Damn it with standed 40 AK47 BALL ROUNDS! What more can you ask?
KillerXify 9 months ago
steel rounds without copper jackets wears a guns barrel
gudboyz100 9 months ago
Big deal, the Army will not purchase it because it probably costs more than a soldier's life.
ChiaKaCheng 9 months ago 20
@ChiaKaCheng
It has nothing to do with money,well not in the manner you suggest at least. Your premise is completely wrong. SGLI is $250k. US military also pays a monthly sum to those who have been wounded and will pay the healthcare costs to treat those wounds for life.
The problem is corruption, oversight, and accountability regarding DoD contracting. This often results in incredibly costly and inferior gear being chosen.
airbomb34 9 months ago 26
@airbomb34 Thought testing failed. Disks started to come off after being left in diesel and intesnse heat etc. Heard it from my oic.
1Deejay7 9 months ago
@airbomb34 It doesn't work in certain climates. That's why no one will buy it.
pfasone 9 months ago
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Pegasusalltheway 9 months ago
@airbomb34 i thought they didn't buy this since the adhesive holding the multiple disk together didn't hold up
AznGamingNation1140 8 months ago
@airbomb34 It's always about money, maybe not the cost but it is definitely about money.
csbob2010 8 months ago
@airbomb34 no no no no no they dont use it because it loses all ability to absorb bullets and force in cold weather. Desert + night + fucking freezing. Freezing + this armor = shattering like glass
DoctorFreeman97 7 months ago
@DoctorFreeman97 - where did you get your facts? I in no way mean to flame you but you couldn't be more wrong. This armor is made of silicon carbide ceramic's the same matierals used is OUR CURRENT "Point Blank" piece of shit vests we're issued today. Airbomb34 was 100% correct the government will not buy (and has actually banned the use of) Dragonskin because of corrupt politicians giving eachother handouts in the form of military contracts. Fact is this armor offers greater protection for
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@DoctorFreeman97 -greater protection for less than the military pays for the vests we have now. Also due to the fact that the manufacturer of dragon skin advertised it as a LV IV without it actually being certified at that level which also hindered it's acceptance by the US military. But for the record Special forces in afganistan, A LOT of generals "In Theater", The FBI, as well as the CIA all use this armor.
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@DoctorFreeman97 - And if you're thinking "well if it's made of the same stuff then how is it better?" it's due in fact to the way it's engineered and how it's employed. This uses (as the video said) smaller overlapping ceramic discs that evenly distribute the muzzle velocity of an incoming projectile, as opposed to our current 10lb monoblock ceramic plate which shatters completely after 2 - 3 impacts thereby becoming completely unable to stop rounds. Cold weather has 0 effect on ceramics
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@jdcase1982 "Cold weather has 0 effect on ceramics" not true plasticity is directly related to temperature. Also it doesn't spread impact better, it concentrates it. Everyone's ill conceived argument is that a lot of small things transfer energy faster than one big thing, this holds no water, how is it physically possible for energy to spread faster when it has to bridge the physical gap of separated discs than when it can move through a large continuous plate?
akzo74 7 months ago
@akzo74 - actually it is true sir, there were complaints for BOTH dragon skin & interceptor that extreme cold weather had negative impacts on it's stopping ability but in dod testing interceptor passed, dragon skin supposedly did not due to the cold weather causing the ceramic discs to slip loose of their holding cells. also ur apparently not paying attention to how dragon skin works (or interceptor for that matter) they don't concentrate the force of a bullet why in the world would any body
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@jdcase1982 you didn't read what i wrote, concentration is a negative effect of DS, it's not intentional and I never said interceptor did this. People think it transfers better but that's not the case, you lose the ability to quickly spread impact energy when you make gaps in your transfer material. And the cold weather performance would be due to the glue used in DS but the available slip planes in SiC are really functions of temperature.
akzo74 7 months ago
@akzo74 - armor want to concentrate 2380fps (typical ak47 load) into a single spot? just because a shot doesn't penetrate doesn't mean it can't kill. body armor defeats a ballistic threat by causing the round (as this video says for hard armor) to shatter WHILE @ the same time dispersing the force of the round across a greater area than the size of the round. interceptor does it, dragon skin does it better. the discs on dragon skin rest on top of eachother they aren't gapped btw
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@jdcase1982 they are gapped! They are not continuous! Explain how it can possibly transfer faster between seperated plates...
akzo74 7 months ago
@akzo74 i think in your mind sir their gapped like my fingers or toes look at thow the plates are layered I own both the interceptor amour with sapi plates and one of the sv3000 dragon skin vests and i will say they weigh about the same but the dragon skin covers much more of my torso. pay attention (or google sir) the design of the vest the plates aren't gapped like our fingers they lay on top of eachother like scales hence "Dragonskin" but i have to go work my 12hr shift this was fun sir
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@jdcase1982 yeah I need to go to sleep, but the problem is there are more free surfaces as in non bonded edges, this causes internal wave reflection and the more free surfaces the more reflection so in designing something that has fast transfer you want as few free surfaces as possible. DS does the opposite and it doesn't matter so much how far gapped they are because a portion of the compressive wavefront still see's it as a free surface even if the discs are sitting right on top of each other.
akzo74 7 months ago
@akzo74 - and the reason I bought one of these vests is I work in corrections the sapi plates weigh far too much and interceptor offers no side protection or knife protection either dragon skin does though and like I'm sure you can see on google somewhere I was sold on this amour when a california pd shot it with a .308lampua round and it stopped it cold. that to me was worth the price tag
jdcase1982 7 months ago
@jdcase1982 everything in armor is a trade off, DS minimizes massive fracture in the simplest way possible (by separating the plate into many plates) but the trade off for this is the impact energy is going to be more confined by all the free surfaces you used to isolate the armor from itself. Unfortunately you can't have everything, if you maximize one property (multi-hit capacity) you likely reduce another (impact energy dispersion).
akzo74 7 months ago
@jdcase1982 What? I know how that works. Like chainmail.
DoctorFreeman97 7 months ago
@airbomb34 No y'all are both right. In addition to that the Interceptor body armor was brought to the military first. The moral of the story is the early bird gets the worm. Weird though how my CO's are wearing it though. That's life.
SicEmPride 7 months ago
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@airbomb34 dragon skin(DS) is indeed better than interceptor(IBA) if its dry, at room temperature and handled like the nicest china in your house.
dropping the twice as heavy DS will delaminate DS rendering it useless.
heat and cold do the same and if it comes in contact with diesel(not hard to imagine if your transport gets hit by an IED)
and like mentioned before DS is twice as heavy as IBA so you might have better body armor but that's at the cost of speed and maneuverability.
Trisscarro 7 months ago
@ChiaKaCheng Fuck the fat general bastards...Just as Achilles said "Let's the Kings fight by themselves,that would be amazing".
But anyway,see few happy solders with this from 1 000 000 is better to get them all dead.
arslama 7 months ago
@ChiaKaCheng
A soldiers life is worth way more than any armor. Period!
KWLaxrat4life 6 months ago
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@ChiaKaCheng They will purchase these for Special Operatives, too much training to go to waste
JesterGz 3 months ago
looks like copper jacket to me!!!! copper jacket with steel core maybe!!!!
ghettobraden 9 months ago
If you look at how the armour is after all these rounds are fired you can see that there are no pretuding ceramic disks anymore, they have been broken in the armour. Under repeated use bullets would the bullets not move through the powder/broken disks and then penetrate the body?
JSeaville 10 months ago
rib breaker ak47 ballastic tip will break your ribs no matter what your gonna hit the ground no matter what so what the body armor will stop the round but it will break your ribs anyways!
lKingCobra 10 months ago
@lKingCobra it also disperses damage over a wider area.
Stellarsniper 10 months ago
@lKingCobra Dragon skin also works as an amazing shock absorber, it probably would.
Wombleonastick 10 months ago
@lKingCobra but it saves your life. broken rib or death? you choose
marinenick100 9 months ago
.....Where can I buy one?
rashawn770 10 months ago
what if they shoot from underneeth the scales?
flyingtoothpaste 10 months ago 5
pretty impressive armor
jontran29 10 months ago
I want to see the impact to this vest of a 50 BMG bullet or the Chey Tac bullets, which are both used in heavy sniper rifles!!!!!!!
Artjom117 10 months ago
@Artjom117 against heavy vehicles by americans not by many enemy snipers
VertigoOp 10 months ago
It's funny cus...the human head is most vunerable during combat...so uhm, this is pretty much not gonna cut it...
C0mm3n 10 months ago
@C0mm3n
You're retarded...most soldiers are hit in the upper torso. The head is a hard target to hit when the person is moving. The head is not "most vulnerable" it is just the most important area of the body.
MrOmniblast 10 months ago
@MrOmniblast ...
I gave my opinion and i'm a retard? lol you internet trollz are funny fuckz
If it is the most important area on the body, then surely it is the most vunerable....right?
I could get shot 5/6 times in the torso...and most probably survive, I could get shot once in the head...and most definitly die!
You were saying?
C0mm3n 10 months ago
@C0mm3n
Hmm, OK sorry for the retard bit. However, you stated what you were saying as a "fact" not an opinion. And...I don't think you could get shot that many times in the torso by military grade weapons and live =]. Maybe a hand gun carried by some punk. What I'm saying though is that the head is NOT "Most vulnerable during combat", it is most susceptible to irreversible damage IF hit, than the torso. It makes sense to focus mainly on the part most likely to be hit.
MrOmniblast 10 months ago
@C0mm3n Uh, you would not survive 5/6 shots in the torso, The army doesn't use 22 lr rounds in their guns, you know?
Wombleonastick 10 months ago
This is what Chuck Norris uses for bread when he makes a sandwich.
Dominic086 11 months ago 27
@Dominic086 haha good one
jontran29 10 months ago
@Dominic086 Chuck Norris would make the nearest woman make the sandwich for him.
nezantra 8 months ago
its amazing, in all its cases, flexable and tough
DeathGhost809 11 months ago
@DeathGhost809 Still it won't be adopted by our forces because of its prise. Did you heard that man? each one of those little disks is made of a material 2nd to diamond. Imagine all soldiers wearing that. Millions of dollars.
zerocker45 11 months ago
@zerocker45 but i think it worse becouse it will make super soldier, but thuogh still thinking about the carbon nanotubes, it costs nearly the same and the same toughness
DeathGhost809 11 months ago
@zerocker45 I don't know the price of these things, but creating a material hard as diamond is far from as expensive as diamond itself. Imagine if industrial diamonds (used in oil rig drills) were as expensive as natural ones; there wouldn't be that much of a profit if they had to use several -huge- natural diamonds to dig with, which again, had to be shifted for new ones once in a while. Anyways... Millions of dollars or not; at least it increases the chance of getting US soldiers back alive...
Godz92 10 months ago
@Godz92 Well its true, but i was just saying that the US army ain't going to adopt it. At least not in long time and when i mean long time is like 20 years.
zerocker45 10 months ago
@zerocker45 I guess you're right. It's sad though..... Well.. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happends.
Godz92 10 months ago
@Godz92 Yeah.. Still our soldiers have tha best training in the world..... And I don't think we are gonna go to a major war or something like that...
zerocker45 10 months ago
@sideshow0192 because it's susceptible to temperature changes. Its effectiveness is significantly reduced on certain temperature...
ddxjon 11 months ago
LOL, they used to test the armor on live people.
dtothelu 11 months ago
i think the .50 round can shoot through it
AH64RAPTOR 11 months ago
@AH64RAPTOR can you even count the .50 cal? xD it's powerful as hell. Really powerful.
timonix2 11 months ago
@timonix2 is that round a ant- tank round
AH64RAPTOR 11 months ago
@AH64RAPTOR well... when a body armors comes a long that can stop it. That will be the biggest thing happening in armor since they decided to wear protective gear.
timonix2 11 months ago
@timonix2 Its an Antipersonal or Antimaterial Round. For tanks or heavy vehicles. Dont think any type of body armor coudl defend against it.
LeeJonB 11 months ago
Dear Santa....
MultiBadavis 1 year ago
woah I thought they started firing at 2:23. Loud type writer FX.
09charleszf 1 year ago
Why don't they issue these to the US soliders?
DefendTheHouseZ 1 year ago
@DefendTheHouseZ apparently if failed do to extrema heat and cold.
MrButerfinger 1 year ago
need more of these
PeytonManningguy 1 year ago
Who cares if you think it is rigged. wtf are you going to do about it? Absolutely nothing thats what. Monolithic plates still save lives, Dragon Skin may do the same. Though I would like to see the p90's 5.7 round used on it
nohbdysear 1 year ago
"AAAhhh damn did any one right down the way the discs go?"
beatleszach 1 year ago
dragon skin for all!!!!!
skizzerbo 1 year ago
The MP5 is a SUBmachine gun!!!!
REALDualDesertEagle 1 year ago
Oh hai! I HAVE A FLAMETHROWER ! what about that? :P
swirekster 1 year ago
One thing they did not test is a sniper rifle with armor piercing military ammo and hell, 50 cal rifle! :D
cyberdaemon 1 year ago
if that were a person theyd be dead anyway
S1W2E3D 1 year ago
why in the fuck aren't they using this overseas?
pyrodog783 1 year ago
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Zookerman1232 1 year ago
@pyrodog783 The contractors for the standard (interceptor) armor don't want any competition. It's all about money.
Zookerman1232 1 year ago
@Zookerman1232 except there's already competition because interceptor is made by more than one company. And if the army really wanted DS they'd buy the technology and license it's production out to multiple companies because they don't like to rely on one place for vital things like guns, armor, ammunition, clothes, etc...
akzo74 1 year ago
I just use Chuck Norris' skin
MrPandaGeek 1 year ago
Either someone is gonna make LOADS OF MONEY, or this is as good as the telecommercials for the "magic soap".
Anyway... I think they're overdoing it a bit. Not to mention you'll sooner get a headshot, then 100 rounds to the upper body.
SubzeroedMind 1 year ago
@SubzeroedMind Lols, headshot, steals armor* runs away* Now you're helping the enemy XD
nambinhvu 1 year ago
Great armor, too bad the government don't give a shit about infantry.
More important to spend billions on Bombs and Missiles. -_-
seod 1 year ago
@seod oh yeah cuz bombs and missiles are worth way more than infantry cmon.
jgtheman84 1 year ago
@jgtheman84 Well sadly the military don't think spending an extra $2000 to save a soldiers life is worth it. So yes, they don't give a shit, infantry are like pawns in a chess game to them. At the end of the day the war in Iraq/Afghanistan is for the mass oil reserves, it always comes down to money, greed, greed and more fucking greed. The government are not satisfied until they have gorged their bellies with lots and lots of money. War = profiteering.
No1Richman 1 year ago
@No1Richman yeah im not joining the military.
jgtheman84 1 year ago
@No1Richman Well said.
SubzeroedMind 1 year ago
Did anyone else notice he said it was a steel jacketed bullet??? No such thing, then then he contradicts him self and says its BALL ammo. Ammo from IRAQ really that stuff that blows up in your gun. I don't think he knows what hes talking about. I want to see an Independent test done with "Tungsten CORE Penetrators"like the Millitary used on it and it failed against. Just because they are cops doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.
scoutsniper811 1 year ago
@scoutsniper811 vidia bullets or dum-dum bullets ..or Tungsten (Wr) CORE ... because i been almost 5 year in army and I know what you talking about ... couse I from east Europe bro and they just want to sell this kind of stuff ... IS PURE MARKETING !!!!!!
animalcult 1 year ago
@scoutsniper811 there is not one army that shoots tungsten-carbide core ammo, not to mention it being cost inefficient, tungsten $20,000-$25,000 a ton, whereas copper is about $5,000 a ton. 99% of all ammunition made is lead core, copper-jacket. the body armor our military uses fails its own "tungsten-carbide core ammo" test. its rigged so that the contracted body armor company gets their contract renewed year after year, even though their armor is worst armor in the world.
803brando 1 year ago
@803brando WOW! so all 4 branches of the U.S. Military rigged there armor tests even though its just one Army General left the Army and went to work for a body armor company. So i guess you were at all those test saw every thing and is now going to blow the whistle on the military!!!! I love how easy it is for every one to say conspiracy, I guess u saw the guy on the grassy knoll to. All 4 branches are at those tests, thats a lot of people to pay off...
scoutsniper811 1 year ago
@803brando WOW! so all 4 branches of the U.S. Military rigged there armor tests even though its just one Army General left the Army and went to work for a body armor company. So i guess you were at all those test saw every thing and is now going to blow the whistle on the military!!!! I love how easy it is for every one to say conspiracy, I guess u saw the guy on the grassy knoll to. All 4 branches are at those tests, thats a lot of people to pay off...
scoutsniper811 1 year ago
@scoutsniper811 now you understand,one general can put fear into subordinates about their career paths.It is rigged, as i have said before there is not one military in the world that uses tung-carbide rounds.With a $350,000,000 contract you can pay ANY amount of people off,or just use the brass to put fear into people.there were many people fired for speaking out or "blowing the whistle" and several of them had gag orders placed on them so they couldn't testify in font of a congressional hearing
803brando 1 year ago
@803brando Maybe you want to re-phrase that statement. Almost every first and many second world armies have access to tungsten tipped rounds including the US (M993) and Russia (7N24). There have been confirmed penetrations by tungsten tipped rounds in Iraq but not Afghanistan. This lead to the development of ESAPI plates. You don't see these rounds that often due to lack of need at this point.
You cannot issue a gag order against testifying at a Congressional hearing.
brainplay 1 year ago
@803brando OR Maybe (Crazy thought here!) Dragon skin just didn't meet Military standards. Its heavy, expensive and hard to manufacture, the entire vest has to be replaced once hit insted of replaceing one plate. I have friends who are alive today thanks to interceptor body armor. Dragon Skin has its place in the world of body armor and one day that might be on the battlefield. its great armor for LE, SWAT and Special forces who need more mobility. One day it will be the best, but not today.
scoutsniper811 1 year ago
@803brando
scoutsniper811 1 year ago
What if using dragon skin technology on helmets??
autoromu 1 year ago
What is using dragon skin technology on helmets??
autoromu 1 year ago
i live in fresno...
the1oreo 1 year ago
ITS A ONE MAN MASSACRE!.... No... im wearin dragon skin :P
DoctorSargeMD 1 year ago
it looks heavy
Chrustillant 1 year ago
I would not want to be the guy in the beginning to get shot 3 feet away using body armor.
Mr1Puff 1 year ago
One word ApNano
areallylongassname2 1 year ago
Well if it is flexible enough, they should take the opportunity to extend the body armor at least to the arms... Isn't that obvious? And again nothing said about internal damage to the body. Not penetrating the vest is good but is it efficient enough to spread the force generated by the impact of the bullet, and that way, to avoid internal bleeding and lesions? it is equally important
TheJackpotMaster 1 year ago
where the bullets go after hitting body armor??
raz0racanine 1 year ago
@raz0racanine
all blanks ;)
KennethZuo 1 year ago