Thanks, i am aware of the real facts, by asking the question about the documented record of MacDonald wounds, the answers clearly demonstrates that anyone who says that he was seriously wounded is not well informed and that MacDonald is a liar.
@Hoth1907 If you do a google search for "jeffrey macdonald case," you'll find the site of Christina M. The site has a wide range of the case documents posted.
@jksonny i know the site of Christina, but i have never read a documented record that MacDonald really sustained those supposedly life threatening injuries he claimed. But thanks for the hint, appreciate it!
@Hoth1907 I'm not sure what medical reports are on the site but obviously, no record exists of MacDonald's "life threatening" wounds b/c they never existed.
@jksonny that is correct, therefore everyone who ''shouts'' out that he was seriously wounded is believing hearsay or still believes in Santa Claus…..
@Hoth1907 I agree. MacDonald's supporters believe what they want to believe and ignore everything else. They jump up and down about Stoeckley being involved but they never mention that she claimed to have had sex with Mac prior to the murders. They never address the phony trip to Russia with the boxing team. They never ask why Mac, as a physician and a "distraught" father, did not turn on the lights to check his family's wounds or go to the neighbors for help. It's ridiculous.
@jksonny correct, Mac supporters always throw in the same ''evidence'' that he is innocent, but they never realize that this ''evidence'' was never proven. If confronted with the documented record and the real evidence, they become aggressive and insulting. I agree with you: as a trained green beret physician he failed miserably.
@Hoth1907 The only wound that was reported by Womack Army Medical Center, Ft. Bragg was a 1 - 2 cm stab wound in the chest at the seventh intercostal space which had caused a twenty per cent collapse of the right lung. This injury may put him in distress but not lethal, which is why he stabbed himself there. A physician would know this. 20% reduction of lung capacity is like laying on your side, not a lot of distress. I totally agree with you about people who say he was "seriously" wounded.
@Hoth1907 One item that MacDonald supporters base their claim that he was severely injured on is the 1970 statement of Ron Harrison, a close friend of Macdonald's who stated that he saw stab wounds and head trauma on him at the hospital. By the time he testified at the grand jury, he very much equivocated on questions about MacDonald's injuries. I prefer the statements of medical doctors who treated him the morning after the murders - e.g., Severt Jacobson.
Dr. Merrill Bronstein examined mac and didn't find all the wounds that mac was claiming. You can read his testimony by searching on themacdonaldcase dot cm. Click on Exhibits and Findings. Click on the second box for Case Documentation. Click on Trial and the 3rd listing is for Bronstein. This data base has all the case exhibits, with photos and any documentation.
I get chills when I read the grand jury testimony (or any testimony) of this sociopath. He has absolutely no clue how smug and arrogant he sounds (and out of touch).
When asked about a women he slept with a year after he got married, he said
"Yeah I balled her. What's the big deal, she was just a secretary." There are 100's of such comments, and I wish the stupid women who defend him would remember that this man clearly hates women.
It was the late "70's not the early eighties. Mac Donald was working at a hospital in Long Beach, CA. This man is pure evil. His poor wife and little girls. RIP angels.
Stone cold sociopath and stone cold guilty. I knew a girl in the early eighties who dated him. She was trying to organize a fund raiser for his legal expenses. Unbelievably there were many in the medical community in California at that time who thought he was just a wonder human being. Look at the crime scene photo's. They will turn your stomach when you see his baby daughter stabbed to death lying in her bed with her bottle.
I remember my mom talking about seeing an interview of Jeff MacDonald less than a year after the murders, and I'm assuming that this is the same one. At any rate, she had said that he'd gone into explicit details about how they were murdered, and that it made her suspicious at the time. She said she didn't know how he could talk about the murders so openly and casually only a short time later.
@stitchesful It was either this or a similar interview MacDonald did with Bob Schieffer. I've never seen any segments from the Schieffer interview but it was probably more in-depth than the Cavett interview, as Schieffer's was more of a news-oriented show while Cavett's program was geared more for an entertainment audience.
@jksonny Thanks for the info. The Schieffer interview probably is the on that my mom saw and referred to. wish somebody had a clipping of that, because that would be interesting to see. I wonder if he did create as much suspicion in that interview as she said by going into much detail.
@stitchesful The Schieffer interview was briefly mentioned during MacDonald's grand jury testimony. I think it's safe to assume that MacDonald followed his usual pattern of lying and exagerrating. IMO, his problem isn't that he goes into too much detail, it's that his details are complete fiction and anyone with common sense and/or basic knowledge of the crime scene can see right through them.
@jksonny No kidding! Do you know what was said about that interview during his grand jury testimony? I agree that the information he has always provided has been a bunch of lies, and that his lies have been one of the things that eventually caught up with him. But was it also his being too open about what happened and being to willing to talk about it with such little emotion that also raised red flags for him?
@stitchesful Yes, MacDonald's flippant attitude and clear lack of remorse definitely contributed to his downfall. He was just too arrogant to realize people were going to see right through him.
They did not go into details about the Schieffer interview but it's interesting to note that MacDonald claimed that he didn't even remember giving the interview, which is ridiculous. That's typical sociopathic/psychopathic behavior, where they lie about anything and everything, relevant or not.
@jksonny Interesting. It's so typical that when he realized his Schieffer interview was causing him trouble that he suddenly didn't remember anything about it. But it is his psychosis and pathology that's enabled him to stick to his lies all these years, even if they were so ludicrous that people saw through them. But no matter, he'll continue with these absurd lies until the day he dies, because he is a pathological liar.
@mrwonderfulman2011: MacDonald did not "won" 325.000 dollars because Fatal Vision was full of lies. The court split hung and even MacDonald did not sue Mcguinnes for lying, but for the fact that he was luered into friendship in order for the writer to write this book. The settled out of court. Ironically, if he didn't sue, he made millions...
I've read about both Jeff Macdonald and Scott Peterson. I've just finished reading about David Temple, who murdered his own pregnant wife, Belinda, so he could be with his "other" woman without losing custody of his son or pay child support through divorce. These 3 men will go to their graves denying their crimes. We'll never know what REALLY happened. ;( RIP Colette, Kimberly, Kristin, Baby Boy MacDonald, Laci and Conner Peterson, and Belinda and Erin Ashley Temple.
@kayper54 I don't know much about Temple but I've read a lot about Scott Peterson and obviously, I've read everything I can find on MacDonald. Mac and Peterson are eerily similar, which, in a way, is a good thing - at least sociopaths/psychopaths have some discernible characteristics in common. Unfortunately, it's usually too late before most people notice.
@jksonny David Temple was a little different from MacDonald and Peterson. With the latter two it took awhile for their friends and families to start putting the pieces together and accusing them of murder. OTOH, nearly everyone who knew the Temples almost immediately suspected David did it. He made no effort to conceal his narcissism or his temper or his womanizing. We'll never really know exactly what happened, though, because he'll never tell. I think he still hopes for a successful appeal.
@kayper54 If Temple is anything like Mac or Peterson, you're right - no one will ever know exacyly what happened. Sociopaths LIVE to manipulate and once they are in jail, their only real outlet for manipulation is trying to convince the outside world that they didn't do it. Even if only a few believe, it's all they have to fuel their desire to feel superior by fooling other people.
@jksonny The other major difference between Temple and Peterson/MacDonald is that they were actually fairly good-looking. Temple is one ugly SOB. His teeth are a mess and his face looks so bloated. He's really hideous; I can't imagine being attracted to him physically AT ALL.
Freddy Kassab, his drive to seek justice for his daughter and grandchildren when no one else would, and armed with forensics is why McDonald is where he is. And he is in the very place he should be. He put himself there by killing his family in cold blood.
Perhaps the reason the lie detector tesing has no use or bearing on a case is because we now have forensics. We no longer rely on the word of a criminal, justice can be sought by the forensic evidence they thought they removed or destroyed. I am more inclined to believe the objective forensic expert who explains the crimescene by the blood types present, for it is what it is. McDonald cannot explain this away, he just claims ignorance or he can't remember and does so with such hostility.
This interview mirrors the same interview that Scott Peterson gave. I think the two of them were separated at birth. Two men who wanted to be playboys and marriage was cramping their style. A laugh track?? While talking about the murders of his family? This is a laughing matter?? Not a tear is shed on live televison, only a smarmy smirk. He saves his tears for the stand and only on the stand, for he thinks he comes off being credible and innocent. Practice makes perfect, and he was good at it.
I have one concern on his so called wounds suffered in his attack by the hippies he claims to have killed his family. Why did the hippies show restraint with him and just stab him to cause a punctured lung and then show no restraint in murdering the obvious weaker victims? Two little girls and a pregnant women? They were a greater threat than the man of the house? Why harm the man slightly, and run the risk of him surviving? His story is just unbelievable, and the forensic evidence doesn't lie.
@asemina2u Next time reply back genius! I have studied this case for years when I was in university and have researched considerable evidence and I am NOT convinced that Jeff MacDonald killed his family! Take a look at my comments below and see if you can provide any plausible discussion to refute the evidence! The entire case was built on assumptions and you cannot provide any reason for MacDonald's guilt! If you cannot back up your lies, then go post them somewhere else! You're such a tool!
I have watched Fatal Vision and have read Fatal Justice. I was very interested in this case about 10 years ago when I was a university student. I am not convinced that Dr. Jeff killed his family! If you people take the time to read the novel Fatal Justice; the video is a little more misleading and tries to show the guilty side of MacDonald ... you will have a better opinion! I was born in 1979 and that is how long he has been in jail. He still denies committing the murders to this very day!
@awesomeguy1979 I have read Fatal Justice - it is replete with misrepresentations - e.g., "bloody gloves!" that were oven mitts found in kitchen. He did it - he is a horrible murderer. I was born in 1964, same year as Kimberley, who would be 47 years old. Lots of guilty people deny they committed their crime, it's part of a sociopaths nature to not take responsibility and deny deny deny.
@Gwyka I have read Fatal Justice over ten years ago from cover to cover. This is truly an interesting case! I have reason to believe that MacDonald is an innocent man! Lie detector tests are not admissible in court; however, MacDonald passed a polygraph test and was also hypnotized as well! Even the psychiatrist that administered the testing believed that Jeff was telling the truth! There was NO plausible evidence of any kind that can prove for 100% that MacDonald committed those murderers!
@awesomeguy1979 Actually, he was administered a polygraph in the couple of years after the crimes and he failed miserably. The blood evidence and the pajama top convince me, and lots of other evidence, that he is a horrible murderer who is where he belongs. I just hope he stays there - rotting in prison.
Why do you end every sentence with an exclamation point? It doesn't make you any more convincing.
@Gwyka I really don't know if you're just very slow or ignorant?? Let me give you some basic facts about the Jeffrey MacDonald case. First of all, Jeffrey MacDonald passed two polygraph tests, one of them administered by one of the top professionals in the field, Dr. David Raskin. The results were then presented "blindly" (name of person being tested not given) to two other experts, who corroborated Dr. Raskin's findings of "no deception". Get your facts straight genius before posting!
@awesomeguy1979 I have my facts straight. MacDonald was administered two polygraphs in 1970, the year the murders occured. One by Cleve Backster. He failed that one. Another one by John Reid, who deemed the results "inconclusive". Several years later, in 1985, he was administered the one you reference by by Raskin - he passed that. IMO, he had lots of years to practice his lies and that is why he passed.
He is guilty and where he belongs, rotting in prison.
@Gwyka In addition, Seymour has found that MacDonald does not have a type of personality disorder which has on occasion been seen in men who murder their families. There is no evidence that he was psychotic preceding, during or after the murders. There is no evidence that he had an organic syndrome of any type. There is absolutely no evidence that he has been prone to impulsive behaviour or has poor ego controls.
@Gwyka Consider some real, plausible findings in the area of human behaviour that is not dependent on polygraph examinations. Dr. Seymour Halleck M.D. (Professor of Psychiatry and Adjunct Professor of Law) has done thorough examinations on the behaviour and temperament of MacDonald. His own clinical experience as a psychiatrist and criminologist concludes that MacDonald does not have a mental illness or show any traits associated with violence.
@Gwyka Did you also know that Helena Stoeckley was also given a polygraph exam in 1971 by CID polygraph expert Robert Brisentine? And guess what genius? Brisentine concluded that Stoeckley was present at the crime scene. In any case, polygraph examinations are not admissible in court. Maybe you knew this already, but I very much doubt it! LOL!
@Gwyka Dr. Raskin concluded Jeffrey MacDonald was telling the truth when he stated he did not kill his family, and, in fact, MacDonald gave truthful answers to all the questions. Convinced of MacDonald’s innocence, Dr. Raskin arranged for a blind evaluation, with MacDonald’s name hidden, to be performed by different polygraph examiner, from another state. That examiner agreed the answers to all the questions asked were honest. You still have not provided any evidence to refute these findings!
@Gwyka However, Dr. David Raskin laid the scientific foundation for the first computerized polygraph system in 1979. His computerized polygraph systems currently are used 12 countries. Keep in mind that Raskin is much more qualified in the area of polygraph systems and in human behaviour than Backster. Backster is merely a pioneer in the polygraph field and nothing more! In 1985, Raskin administered a polygraph exam to MacDonald in prison. Raskin found that MacDonald passed the exam! Old news!!
@Gwyka Cleve Backster gave his OPINION that MacDonald was being deceptive on the test. Cleve Backster was a polygraph specialist way back in the “Days of Yore” who helped develop interrogation techniques for the CIA. Backster recorded what he believed to be emotional reactions in plants with a polygraph machine. The validity and reliability of his phenomena is still highly debated to this very day. I feel like I am teaching a five year old! LOL!
In these short few seconds, McDonald's constitution is that of Diana Downs (1983)...after her kids were killed by a "stranger", she laughed and fawned for the cameras as if she were recalling a birthday party...
Yes I know where what section Fatal Vision it is in the proper place which is the true crime section and was and is the BEST book on the case unlike that act of BS and fiction Fatal Justice!!! No worries here I have my book sections right and i have my people sections right such as Jeffrey MacDonald Wife and Baby killer and Liar!! and also his new wife I file her under Moron and convicted shoplifter!!!!
@steveinchelsea, not a chance. The insane freak is making jokes about the last night his wife and children were alive. I just watched a more current video where he's fake sobbing throughout the entire thing.
@ShaytanBozorg There are always morons that are easily conned, like his wife. Now he will probably point to the Petit case in CT to say that these things DO happen, but the 2 cases are totally different, but like I say he's a born con man so he will always fool some people. but as long as he remains behind bars that's fine with me!
@forestskog I've never seen the entire interview available anywhere. However, you can see a couple of additional clips if you watch the 'Final Appeal' episode about MacDonald, which can also be found on youtube.
No, I don't think they lead to him killing his family - it was a confluence of circumstances.
Reading Fatal Vision, that's what I read McGinness's speculation as - speculation, based on MacDonald's own handwritten notes regarding his activities around the time of the murders - he discusses his taking Eskatrol, so his speculating on this isn't so "warped".
Yes read Fatal Justice, It should be in the FICTION section of a bookstore or library or maybe Mac's new wife can pick you up a copy, She has sticky fingers.
I've been trying to tell everyone that the new Mrs. MacDonald is completely innocent of the shoplifting charges! It was actually a band of drugged-up hippies.
Big mistake of McDonald appearing on Dick Cavett. He made the miitary look dumb and now the miltery was out for blood. He will be locked up for the rest of his natural life. Make no mistake about it.
PLEASE......all of you shut up and read Fatal Justice by Jerry Allen Potter and Fred Bost. And read how Joe McGinnis was sued by MacDonald for his warped version of facts, and other eye opening facts.
I have read Fatal Justice - I especially love the part about how BLOODY GLOVES were found in the apartment and this was kept from the defense.
Except that the bloody gloves were oven mitts found in the kitchen that had old brown stains that were tested, and it couldn't be determined if they were animal or human blood.
Lots of that type of crap in Fatal Justice.
How 'bout a couple of example of McGinnis' warped facts?
While you think of warped facts contained in Fatal Vision, here is another wrong fact contained in Fatal Justice:
The unidentified brown limb hair with root intact (showing it was forcibly removed) found in Colette's hand belongs to Greg Mitchell, one of the supposed intruders, because he had brown hair, and MacDonald had blond hair!
DNA testing results proved the hair was indeed MacDonald's.
@357Toni I agree with you! Jeff MacDonald is an innocent man! I thought I was the only one who knew this. There was so many lies in the book Fatal Vision and that was why Jeffrey MacDonald won a settlement of approximately a third of a million dollars in 1987.
@mrwonderfulman2011: So you think he's innocent b/c Jeff won a settlement over Fatal Vision? Please tell me you base it on more that this. Have you read the transcripts of the trial? Have you read the grand jury testimony? Have you read his psych. evaluations? There is no way you could think he's "innocent" if you read the evidence.
Why do so many people conclude guilt or innocence without even bothering to get to know the facts of the case???
@mlc2005 Let's talk about the facts! MacDonald's medical exam listed 17 stab wounds and three blunt traumas to the head. Jeff received emergency surgery at Womack to re-inflate his lung which had collapsed due to one of the stab wounds to his chest area. You would have to be the next Hollywood "Jackass" Star to successfully stab yourself 17 times and club yourself to the point of being found unconscious and breathing with only one lung. Call the Guinness Book of World Records now!
@mrwonderfulman2011 His medical records state he had a bump on the head, not "blunt trauma" - Colette and Kimberley had "blunt trauma". The medical records also state he had some "very superficial lacerations" - other than that neat, straight-in-and-out chest wound that he gave himself, he didn't even need a band-aid.
Do not call the Guinnees Bood of World Records - gullible, psychologically needy believers of horrible murderers are a dime a dozen.
@mrwonderfulman2011 He wasn't stabbed that many times cause there was no blood where he said he was stabbed. He laid face down on the floor, NO BLOOD! Also none of his wounds matched up with his top, proving he stabbed himself in the lung w/ his shirt off. Also there's no threads found where he said his top was torn. All the threads were in the bedrooms w/ and on and around the victims. Anyone that thinks he's innocent are just plain foolish.
they found the ice pick hidden under the house 25 yrs later, this would account for jeff's fingernails having dirt under them. he hoped that the investigaters would see all the murder weapons on the lawn and assume there were no more.
I WANT to believe that a father (esp one seeming so normal) could not have done this to his wife/children, but this is just bizarre. There seems no possible way his story is true, its too unbelievable doesn't make sense, so.... guess I'm on the side that says he must've done it.. Some band of druggies poked him several times w/ an "Ice Pick" then beat/killed his family w/ a wood board and knives. Then left w/o witness. WTF!! Unbelievable!!
They were in his way - with a psycopath they don't see humans as people they see them as objects to be dispensed with when they are of no more interest or use. They were in his way as he wanted to be free of the financial obligations and he wanted to mess with lots of other women. Divorce was a no no then in the military and would have ruined his upward climb - especially as the wife was so lovely and good.
No Sherlock. Not all people with hot tempers kill. It's just one more factor that adds up and makes sense .. unless you think anger had nothing to do with this case.
(and 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, and 2003) have "ferocious tempers" and should be considered dangerous AND if they are ever on trial this should be an important piece of evidence.
Jeffrey Macdonald said he was attacked by four people. He also said that he heard his daughter screaming, Daddy,Daddy,Daddy. If Macdonald was being attacked in the living room,who was attacking his daughter?
He also claimed that he heard his wife screaming at the same time, which would mean at least 6 people were in that very small house (4 attacking Mac, one attacking his daughter and one more attacking Colette).
Just one of the many reasons that his story doesn't make sense.
My mother and I were watching the news,when the story came on about the MacDonald family being murdered. My mother looked at me and said" The husband did it" You're right about at least 6 people being in the house.MacDonald's pregnant wife and two little girls are butcherd and he's left alive.He's guilty.
jksonny: I'm thinking the same thing. If u r being attacked & hear all that ...it would be more than 4 people, an ice pic & a pajama top to keep u from helping your kids. He would have been madly fighting to help his children. Sounds like he waited for the "hippies" to leave & w/ his collapsed went in each room and saw his wife & children dead and THEN finally called the police. It just doesn't add up. Plus he didn't bleed all over the living rm?? + no sign of big fight scene in Livg Rm??
Most importantly, there's not one shred of evidence that anyone was inside the house except members of the MacDonald family. Six intruders, hippies or otherwise, would leave SOMETHING behind.
He was molesting Kimmy &/or Christy. Colette likely caught him in the act. Excellent: Jeffrey MacDonald Information Website & make up your own mind. Christine has done a superb job (attended every day of the trial; and even was once a supporter). He had a little incision wound and 1 abrasion where Colette smacked him with a piece of wood. Pure rage against his wife/family=overkill. Poor Colette; died protecting her babies, both born/unborn. "BHS"...look it up.
There wasn't physical evidence of molestation found during the exams of the girls. People point to the bedwetting problem of the older girl and Colette's describing to her class that night how when one of the girls would come into their bed, he would tell Colette to go sleep on the couch. Personally, I don't believe he was molesting either of the girls.
I don't think he was molesting the girls, but I am wondering if he wanted to spank Kimmberly for bedwetting. The upstairs' neighbor heard Collete yelling, "I will not let you do that!"
In any case, investigators think that a fight broke out about the bedwetting, and then it escalated, with Jeff MacDonald flying into a rage, hitting Colette with a board, and then killing her and the kids to leave no witnesses.
that is also something I have considered that collete was protecting kimmy from corporal punishment, who knows perhaps macdonald told her he was planning to seriously injure kimmy? prompting collete to say "what do you think I will be doing why you are doing this, you touch them I will kill you"
I just watched the rerun of the 48 hours show on this. What is frightening is that if it hadn't been for Mr. Kessab, McDonald would have gotten away with this heinous crime.
His story of a band of Hippies with candles, ha! Pure malarky. At least this sociopath is behind bars.
I believe that he is guilty as sin.... and as far as the other comment about evidence being lost or that the crime scene wasn't secure... I'm sorry, but you can't LOSE EVERY piece of evidence that points to intruders.... there was not one shred of evidence that proved the intruder theory. Not one!
I think he is guilty as sin...and he's exactly where he needs to be. The comment below about 'the reasons he's innocent involve the mishandling of the crime scene'.... this may be somewhat true...HOWEVER, you cannot accidentally destroy EVERY piece of evidence that points to intruders and be left with ONLY evidence that points to Macdonald. It isn't possible.
Absolutely disgusting video, watching a gut arrive on stage to applause and music, lie about his family, and leave a hero. A few month earlier he killed his wife, and stabbed his daughters through the heart! Those who believe him are really fools. Re read his story about drug crazed hippies attacking. Ridiculous!
Thanks so much for posting this. Is there any way to view the Cavett interview in its entirety? How could a person of Macdonald's apparent intelligence not realize that he needed to at least go through the motions of presenting an air of grieving?
Unfortunately, this is the only segment I've ever found of the show. I would also love to see the rest.
As for MacDonald's non-grieving behavior, it's part of being a sociopath. Sociopaths are extreme egotists. They think they can manipulate/charm/fool anyone regardless of the circumstances. Also, at this point, Mac thought he was off the hook and had gotten away with it (which he almost did) so he didn't think he had any reason to worry.
The more I read of this case, the more it seems that the Pro-McDonald side of things is mostly made up of conspiracy theory hype and the resulting obsession with such.
Exactly. MacDonald and his supporters have always talked up their "evidence" as if somehow, there's some piece of something out there that will magically wash away all the real evidence against MacDonald.
Also, many of the people that "support" MacDonald - particularly his lawyers and investigators - are smart, experienced people. No matter what they claim in public, they know damn well he's guilty and they're just playing an angle.
I just watched this 48 hours show. The pro-MacDonald web sites says someone of some wiser influence advised him he should appear on that show to poke a little at the military mishandling of it all. He would have been better advised to not appear at all. Cavet was right - his affect was totally wrong. If he had been advised to do this show to bolster his innocence, you'd think he would have been advised better on how to act and not try to come off charming and witty.
According to MacDonald (not that you can believe anything he says), Allard Lowenstein, a NY Congressman at the time,, arranged the appearance to help push for a congessional investigation into the murders. Assuming that's true, it certainly doesn't appear that was MacDonald's priority. It's worth mentioning that apparently, Lowenstein himself eventually suspected that MacDonald was guilty and cut off all contact with him.
Great 48 Hours episode, only they left out the part about how McDondald claimed to have killed one of the "assailants" and later had to admit he lied.
I think the original episode lasted 2 hours but they cut it to an hour for the reruns. They may have included MacDonald's sham about tracking down the hippie in the original version. It's discussed pretty thoroughly in the American Justice show. They have Kassab's reaction and they show MacDonald himself trying to explain how he made up the story for the sake of his in-laws' peace of mind. What a hero.
I wish i would have seen that. I will be on the look out for the American Justice. I think they do re-runs too, don't they? As for the woman who confessed to being there, I think she was mentally ill.
Yes, now that is ridiculous. The pro-Macdonald site just brushes that off as an immature way of trying to make things better for his dead wife's folks. Yeah, sure.
I have the rest of the show but most of the other footage is pretty much the same stuff you would find elsewhere, like the A&E American Justice version. The Cavett interview was the only rare segment that I had not been able to find anywhere else.
If you haven't already done so, read 'Fatal Vision' by Joe McGinnis. It's excellent.
He'll never give it up. MacDonald is a pure sociopath and will try to manipulate right up until the end. Although now, he's running out of ammo even he can use. The DNA tests that were recently performed didn't do him any good; in fact, they substantiated his guilt. So, I guess he'll have to fall back on his old reliables; the "botched" crime scene, the corrupt government, his angry in-laws, Helena Stoeckley, etc., etc.
I am tempted to read "Fatal Justice" by his attorneys to see what they have to say. I think no matter what exculpatory evidence was (or if) lost or suppressed, there is just too much going against him. His story never added up, the weapons came from his own home, and they never found evidence of anyone else there that night. As for other hairs, we pick up all kinds of things just going about our business. I think kids would do this more.
I posted a short segment from the 'American Justice' program that shows some interviews with MacDonald and the Kassabs. I'd post the entire show but it's not worth the time b/c I suspect youtube would pull it.
'Fatal Justice', IMO, is just one long effort at making mountains out of canyons. On the A&E show, the author and Mac's attorneys make outrageous claims about his innocence and about a neutral jury acquitting MacDonald in less than 15 min.'s if they could just get a new trial. It's ridiculous. They also talk a lot about DNA testing on some previously unidentified hairs, which has since been conducted. Rather than backing up MacDonald's story, the results substantiated his guilt (of course).
I have read "Fatal Justice" and do Highly recommend it. I realize many, many people really think hes guilty but Im not so sure. The book Fatal Justice goes into many reasons why hes innocent. For me, the most compelling arguments center around how poorly the crime scene was handled and how many neighbors and high-ranking officers trampled through that house on the morning of the murders. You really should read it.
My boyfriend has both books and has read both books, pluse The Scales of Justice and we have discussed this extensively. I have read excerpts from all. There's enough evidence on him in the end that I don't need to ponder it. But thanks for your view. The movie is also good.
Thanks, i am aware of the real facts, by asking the question about the documented record of MacDonald wounds, the answers clearly demonstrates that anyone who says that he was seriously wounded is not well informed and that MacDonald is a liar.
Hoth1907 4 days ago
Where can we read the medical examination of the so called " life threathening" wounds ?
Hoth1907 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 If you do a google search for "jeffrey macdonald case," you'll find the site of Christina M. The site has a wide range of the case documents posted.
jksonny 1 month ago
@jksonny i know the site of Christina, but i have never read a documented record that MacDonald really sustained those supposedly life threatening injuries he claimed. But thanks for the hint, appreciate it!
Hoth1907 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 I'm not sure what medical reports are on the site but obviously, no record exists of MacDonald's "life threatening" wounds b/c they never existed.
jksonny 1 month ago
@jksonny that is correct, therefore everyone who ''shouts'' out that he was seriously wounded is believing hearsay or still believes in Santa Claus…..
Hoth1907 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 I agree. MacDonald's supporters believe what they want to believe and ignore everything else. They jump up and down about Stoeckley being involved but they never mention that she claimed to have had sex with Mac prior to the murders. They never address the phony trip to Russia with the boxing team. They never ask why Mac, as a physician and a "distraught" father, did not turn on the lights to check his family's wounds or go to the neighbors for help. It's ridiculous.
jksonny 1 month ago
@jksonny correct, Mac supporters always throw in the same ''evidence'' that he is innocent, but they never realize that this ''evidence'' was never proven. If confronted with the documented record and the real evidence, they become aggressive and insulting. I agree with you: as a trained green beret physician he failed miserably.
Hoth1907 1 month ago
@Hoth1907 The only wound that was reported by Womack Army Medical Center, Ft. Bragg was a 1 - 2 cm stab wound in the chest at the seventh intercostal space which had caused a twenty per cent collapse of the right lung. This injury may put him in distress but not lethal, which is why he stabbed himself there. A physician would know this. 20% reduction of lung capacity is like laying on your side, not a lot of distress. I totally agree with you about people who say he was "seriously" wounded.
mvandeneede 5 days ago
@Hoth1907 One item that MacDonald supporters base their claim that he was severely injured on is the 1970 statement of Ron Harrison, a close friend of Macdonald's who stated that he saw stab wounds and head trauma on him at the hospital. By the time he testified at the grand jury, he very much equivocated on questions about MacDonald's injuries. I prefer the statements of medical doctors who treated him the morning after the murders - e.g., Severt Jacobson.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@Hoth1907
Dr. Merrill Bronstein examined mac and didn't find all the wounds that mac was claiming. You can read his testimony by searching on themacdonaldcase dot cm. Click on Exhibits and Findings. Click on the second box for Case Documentation. Click on Trial and the 3rd listing is for Bronstein. This data base has all the case exhibits, with photos and any documentation.
AskWhy333 1 week ago
I get chills when I read the grand jury testimony (or any testimony) of this sociopath. He has absolutely no clue how smug and arrogant he sounds (and out of touch).
When asked about a women he slept with a year after he got married, he said
"Yeah I balled her. What's the big deal, she was just a secretary." There are 100's of such comments, and I wish the stupid women who defend him would remember that this man clearly hates women.
mlc2005 1 month ago
It was the late "70's not the early eighties. Mac Donald was working at a hospital in Long Beach, CA. This man is pure evil. His poor wife and little girls. RIP angels.
coollda 4 months ago
Stone cold sociopath and stone cold guilty. I knew a girl in the early eighties who dated him. She was trying to organize a fund raiser for his legal expenses. Unbelievably there were many in the medical community in California at that time who thought he was just a wonder human being. Look at the crime scene photo's. They will turn your stomach when you see his baby daughter stabbed to death lying in her bed with her bottle.
coollda 4 months ago
Macdonald is closer to hell than ever
karmalevel 5 months ago
What isn't being said by MacDonald speaks volumes. He is a sick narcissistic and sociopathic fuck who murdered his family.
collegeman1988 6 months ago
I remember my mom talking about seeing an interview of Jeff MacDonald less than a year after the murders, and I'm assuming that this is the same one. At any rate, she had said that he'd gone into explicit details about how they were murdered, and that it made her suspicious at the time. She said she didn't know how he could talk about the murders so openly and casually only a short time later.
stitchesful 6 months ago
@stitchesful It was either this or a similar interview MacDonald did with Bob Schieffer. I've never seen any segments from the Schieffer interview but it was probably more in-depth than the Cavett interview, as Schieffer's was more of a news-oriented show while Cavett's program was geared more for an entertainment audience.
jksonny 6 months ago
@jksonny Thanks for the info. The Schieffer interview probably is the on that my mom saw and referred to. wish somebody had a clipping of that, because that would be interesting to see. I wonder if he did create as much suspicion in that interview as she said by going into much detail.
stitchesful 6 months ago
@stitchesful The Schieffer interview was briefly mentioned during MacDonald's grand jury testimony. I think it's safe to assume that MacDonald followed his usual pattern of lying and exagerrating. IMO, his problem isn't that he goes into too much detail, it's that his details are complete fiction and anyone with common sense and/or basic knowledge of the crime scene can see right through them.
jksonny 6 months ago
@jksonny No kidding! Do you know what was said about that interview during his grand jury testimony? I agree that the information he has always provided has been a bunch of lies, and that his lies have been one of the things that eventually caught up with him. But was it also his being too open about what happened and being to willing to talk about it with such little emotion that also raised red flags for him?
stitchesful 6 months ago
@stitchesful Yes, MacDonald's flippant attitude and clear lack of remorse definitely contributed to his downfall. He was just too arrogant to realize people were going to see right through him.
They did not go into details about the Schieffer interview but it's interesting to note that MacDonald claimed that he didn't even remember giving the interview, which is ridiculous. That's typical sociopathic/psychopathic behavior, where they lie about anything and everything, relevant or not.
jksonny 6 months ago
@jksonny Interesting. It's so typical that when he realized his Schieffer interview was causing him trouble that he suddenly didn't remember anything about it. But it is his psychosis and pathology that's enabled him to stick to his lies all these years, even if they were so ludicrous that people saw through them. But no matter, he'll continue with these absurd lies until the day he dies, because he is a pathological liar.
stitchesful 6 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011: MacDonald did not "won" 325.000 dollars because Fatal Vision was full of lies. The court split hung and even MacDonald did not sue Mcguinnes for lying, but for the fact that he was luered into friendship in order for the writer to write this book. The settled out of court. Ironically, if he didn't sue, he made millions...
Hoth1907 6 months ago
Pull a pajama top up over your head and see whether it hinders you as he claimed.
bethpage89 7 months ago
Funny thing is that his own narcissism did himself in.
melfaery 8 months ago
Jeff has no conscience
karmalevel 8 months ago
This interview reminds me so much of Gerry McCann's numerous appearances on chat shows over the past 4 years.
Gerry McCann is the father of Madeline McCann, who went missing from an unlocked holiday apartment in Portugal.
DoctorMeatDic 8 months ago
Murder Mac is more evil than scott peterson!!!
karmalevel 9 months ago
I've read about both Jeff Macdonald and Scott Peterson. I've just finished reading about David Temple, who murdered his own pregnant wife, Belinda, so he could be with his "other" woman without losing custody of his son or pay child support through divorce. These 3 men will go to their graves denying their crimes. We'll never know what REALLY happened. ;( RIP Colette, Kimberly, Kristin, Baby Boy MacDonald, Laci and Conner Peterson, and Belinda and Erin Ashley Temple.
kayper54 9 months ago 2
@kayper54 I don't know much about Temple but I've read a lot about Scott Peterson and obviously, I've read everything I can find on MacDonald. Mac and Peterson are eerily similar, which, in a way, is a good thing - at least sociopaths/psychopaths have some discernible characteristics in common. Unfortunately, it's usually too late before most people notice.
jksonny 9 months ago
@jksonny yes, but jeff is way better actor than scott
karmalevel 9 months ago
@karmalevel True.
jksonny 9 months ago
@jksonny David Temple was a little different from MacDonald and Peterson. With the latter two it took awhile for their friends and families to start putting the pieces together and accusing them of murder. OTOH, nearly everyone who knew the Temples almost immediately suspected David did it. He made no effort to conceal his narcissism or his temper or his womanizing. We'll never really know exactly what happened, though, because he'll never tell. I think he still hopes for a successful appeal.
kayper54 9 months ago
@kayper54 If Temple is anything like Mac or Peterson, you're right - no one will ever know exacyly what happened. Sociopaths LIVE to manipulate and once they are in jail, their only real outlet for manipulation is trying to convince the outside world that they didn't do it. Even if only a few believe, it's all they have to fuel their desire to feel superior by fooling other people.
jksonny 9 months ago
@jksonny yes and mac and peterson had severe abuse in childhood
karmalevel 8 months ago
@jksonny The other major difference between Temple and Peterson/MacDonald is that they were actually fairly good-looking. Temple is one ugly SOB. His teeth are a mess and his face looks so bloated. He's really hideous; I can't imagine being attracted to him physically AT ALL.
kayper54 9 months ago
Freddy Kassab, his drive to seek justice for his daughter and grandchildren when no one else would, and armed with forensics is why McDonald is where he is. And he is in the very place he should be. He put himself there by killing his family in cold blood.
countryhoney28 10 months ago
Perhaps the reason the lie detector tesing has no use or bearing on a case is because we now have forensics. We no longer rely on the word of a criminal, justice can be sought by the forensic evidence they thought they removed or destroyed. I am more inclined to believe the objective forensic expert who explains the crimescene by the blood types present, for it is what it is. McDonald cannot explain this away, he just claims ignorance or he can't remember and does so with such hostility.
countryhoney28 10 months ago
This interview mirrors the same interview that Scott Peterson gave. I think the two of them were separated at birth. Two men who wanted to be playboys and marriage was cramping their style. A laugh track?? While talking about the murders of his family? This is a laughing matter?? Not a tear is shed on live televison, only a smarmy smirk. He saves his tears for the stand and only on the stand, for he thinks he comes off being credible and innocent. Practice makes perfect, and he was good at it.
countryhoney28 10 months ago
@countryhoney28 I agree. MacDonald and Scott P. are VERY similar creatures.
jksonny 10 months ago
I have one concern on his so called wounds suffered in his attack by the hippies he claims to have killed his family. Why did the hippies show restraint with him and just stab him to cause a punctured lung and then show no restraint in murdering the obvious weaker victims? Two little girls and a pregnant women? They were a greater threat than the man of the house? Why harm the man slightly, and run the risk of him surviving? His story is just unbelievable, and the forensic evidence doesn't lie.
countryhoney28 10 months ago
Awesome guy whatever ur fucking name is I was not talking 2u....keep ur comments 2urself...u sound evil just like him !!!..lololo
asemina2u 11 months ago
@asemina2u Next time reply back genius! I have studied this case for years when I was in university and have researched considerable evidence and I am NOT convinced that Jeff MacDonald killed his family! Take a look at my comments below and see if you can provide any plausible discussion to refute the evidence! The entire case was built on assumptions and you cannot provide any reason for MacDonald's guilt! If you cannot back up your lies, then go post them somewhere else! You're such a tool!
awesomeguy1979 10 months ago
Scumbag of this world that what he is!!!!...
asemina2u 11 months ago
@asemina2u You have no proof of that at all champ!! Get some coherent facts before making such mindless assumptions!!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
I have watched Fatal Vision and have read Fatal Justice. I was very interested in this case about 10 years ago when I was a university student. I am not convinced that Dr. Jeff killed his family! If you people take the time to read the novel Fatal Justice; the video is a little more misleading and tries to show the guilty side of MacDonald ... you will have a better opinion! I was born in 1979 and that is how long he has been in jail. He still denies committing the murders to this very day!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 I have read Fatal Justice - it is replete with misrepresentations - e.g., "bloody gloves!" that were oven mitts found in kitchen. He did it - he is a horrible murderer. I was born in 1964, same year as Kimberley, who would be 47 years old. Lots of guilty people deny they committed their crime, it's part of a sociopaths nature to not take responsibility and deny deny deny.
Gwyka 11 months ago
@Gwyka I have read Fatal Justice over ten years ago from cover to cover. This is truly an interesting case! I have reason to believe that MacDonald is an innocent man! Lie detector tests are not admissible in court; however, MacDonald passed a polygraph test and was also hypnotized as well! Even the psychiatrist that administered the testing believed that Jeff was telling the truth! There was NO plausible evidence of any kind that can prove for 100% that MacDonald committed those murderers!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 Actually, he was administered a polygraph in the couple of years after the crimes and he failed miserably. The blood evidence and the pajama top convince me, and lots of other evidence, that he is a horrible murderer who is where he belongs. I just hope he stays there - rotting in prison.
Why do you end every sentence with an exclamation point? It doesn't make you any more convincing.
Gwyka 11 months ago
@Gwyka I really don't know if you're just very slow or ignorant?? Let me give you some basic facts about the Jeffrey MacDonald case. First of all, Jeffrey MacDonald passed two polygraph tests, one of them administered by one of the top professionals in the field, Dr. David Raskin. The results were then presented "blindly" (name of person being tested not given) to two other experts, who corroborated Dr. Raskin's findings of "no deception". Get your facts straight genius before posting!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 I have my facts straight. MacDonald was administered two polygraphs in 1970, the year the murders occured. One by Cleve Backster. He failed that one. Another one by John Reid, who deemed the results "inconclusive". Several years later, in 1985, he was administered the one you reference by by Raskin - he passed that. IMO, he had lots of years to practice his lies and that is why he passed.
He is guilty and where he belongs, rotting in prison.
Gwyka 11 months ago
@Gwyka You still have not even provided any motive for Jeffrey MacDonald killing his family and obviously you … CANNOT!!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@Gwyka In addition, Seymour has found that MacDonald does not have a type of personality disorder which has on occasion been seen in men who murder their families. There is no evidence that he was psychotic preceding, during or after the murders. There is no evidence that he had an organic syndrome of any type. There is absolutely no evidence that he has been prone to impulsive behaviour or has poor ego controls.
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@Gwyka Consider some real, plausible findings in the area of human behaviour that is not dependent on polygraph examinations. Dr. Seymour Halleck M.D. (Professor of Psychiatry and Adjunct Professor of Law) has done thorough examinations on the behaviour and temperament of MacDonald. His own clinical experience as a psychiatrist and criminologist concludes that MacDonald does not have a mental illness or show any traits associated with violence.
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@Gwyka Did you also know that Helena Stoeckley was also given a polygraph exam in 1971 by CID polygraph expert Robert Brisentine? And guess what genius? Brisentine concluded that Stoeckley was present at the crime scene. In any case, polygraph examinations are not admissible in court. Maybe you knew this already, but I very much doubt it! LOL!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@Gwyka Dr. Raskin concluded Jeffrey MacDonald was telling the truth when he stated he did not kill his family, and, in fact, MacDonald gave truthful answers to all the questions. Convinced of MacDonald’s innocence, Dr. Raskin arranged for a blind evaluation, with MacDonald’s name hidden, to be performed by different polygraph examiner, from another state. That examiner agreed the answers to all the questions asked were honest. You still have not provided any evidence to refute these findings!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@Gwyka However, Dr. David Raskin laid the scientific foundation for the first computerized polygraph system in 1979. His computerized polygraph systems currently are used 12 countries. Keep in mind that Raskin is much more qualified in the area of polygraph systems and in human behaviour than Backster. Backster is merely a pioneer in the polygraph field and nothing more! In 1985, Raskin administered a polygraph exam to MacDonald in prison. Raskin found that MacDonald passed the exam! Old news!!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
@Gwyka Cleve Backster gave his OPINION that MacDonald was being deceptive on the test. Cleve Backster was a polygraph specialist way back in the “Days of Yore” who helped develop interrogation techniques for the CIA. Backster recorded what he believed to be emotional reactions in plants with a polygraph machine. The validity and reliability of his phenomena is still highly debated to this very day. I feel like I am teaching a five year old! LOL!
awesomeguy1979 11 months ago
In these short few seconds, McDonald's constitution is that of Diana Downs (1983)...after her kids were killed by a "stranger", she laughed and fawned for the cameras as if she were recalling a birthday party...
schuyler10 11 months ago
Macdonald is the personification of evil
kfag101 1 year ago
Horrifying.
BettinaBalser 1 year ago
Yes I know where what section Fatal Vision it is in the proper place which is the true crime section and was and is the BEST book on the case unlike that act of BS and fiction Fatal Justice!!! No worries here I have my book sections right and i have my people sections right such as Jeffrey MacDonald Wife and Baby killer and Liar!! and also his new wife I file her under Moron and convicted shoplifter!!!!
wdbjr73 1 year ago
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woohooboy 1 year ago
acid is groovy but killing your whole family is not very groovy
weightSndrumS 1 year ago 3
i feel jeff got a bum rap then and is still after all these years
hottie1021000 1 year ago
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steveinchelsea 1 year ago
Does anyone still think he's innocent after this?
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
@steveinchelsea, not a chance. The insane freak is making jokes about the last night his wife and children were alive. I just watched a more current video where he's fake sobbing throughout the entire thing.
ShaytanBozorg 1 year ago
@ShaytanBozorg There are always morons that are easily conned, like his wife. Now he will probably point to the Petit case in CT to say that these things DO happen, but the 2 cases are totally different, but like I say he's a born con man so he will always fool some people. but as long as he remains behind bars that's fine with me!
steveinchelsea 1 year ago
I have been looking for this clip forever! Thank you so much for posting this;)
hairgirl34 1 year ago
@hairgirl34 You're welcome! I wish I had the entire interview but I've never seen it anywhere.
jksonny 1 year ago
Jeffrey MacDonald loves the media attention. Even now he loves the limelight.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
evil man
kfag101 1 year ago
evil man!!
kfag101 1 year ago
evil man!!
kfag101 1 year ago
Does anyone know where I can see the whole macDonald/Cavett interview? Even if have to pay for it I'll get it and upload.
forestskog 1 year ago
@forestskog I've never seen the entire interview available anywhere. However, you can see a couple of additional clips if you watch the 'Final Appeal' episode about MacDonald, which can also be found on youtube.
jksonny 1 year ago
No, I don't think they lead to him killing his family - it was a confluence of circumstances.
Reading Fatal Vision, that's what I read McGinness's speculation as - speculation, based on MacDonald's own handwritten notes regarding his activities around the time of the murders - he discusses his taking Eskatrol, so his speculating on this isn't so "warped".
Gwyka 1 year ago
MacDonald killed Collette, Kimmy, and Kristen and he is where he should be in prison for life til he dies and meets his maker.
RIPmyers 2 years ago
Yes read Fatal Justice, It should be in the FICTION section of a bookstore or library or maybe Mac's new wife can pick you up a copy, She has sticky fingers.
wdbjr73 2 years ago 5
I've been trying to tell everyone that the new Mrs. MacDonald is completely innocent of the shoplifting charges! It was actually a band of drugged-up hippies.
jksonny 2 years ago 4
@wdbjr73 I think you mean fatal vision it's by Joe McGinnis and it should be in the true crime section
laportekl 1 year ago
Big mistake of McDonald appearing on Dick Cavett. He made the miitary look dumb and now the miltery was out for blood. He will be locked up for the rest of his natural life. Make no mistake about it.
creolelady182 2 years ago
PLEASE......all of you shut up and read Fatal Justice by Jerry Allen Potter and Fred Bost. And read how Joe McGinnis was sued by MacDonald for his warped version of facts, and other eye opening facts.
357Toni 2 years ago
I have read Fatal Justice - I especially love the part about how BLOODY GLOVES were found in the apartment and this was kept from the defense.
Except that the bloody gloves were oven mitts found in the kitchen that had old brown stains that were tested, and it couldn't be determined if they were animal or human blood.
Lots of that type of crap in Fatal Justice.
How 'bout a couple of example of McGinnis' warped facts?
Gwyka 2 years ago 4
While you think of warped facts contained in Fatal Vision, here is another wrong fact contained in Fatal Justice:
The unidentified brown limb hair with root intact (showing it was forcibly removed) found in Colette's hand belongs to Greg Mitchell, one of the supposed intruders, because he had brown hair, and MacDonald had blond hair!
DNA testing results proved the hair was indeed MacDonald's.
No, I will not shut up, THANK YOU.
Gwyka 2 years ago 3
'Fatal Justice' is a joke.
jksonny 2 years ago 2
@357Toni stop supporting an evil man
kfag101 2 years ago
@357Toni I agree with you! Jeff MacDonald is an innocent man! I thought I was the only one who knew this. There was so many lies in the book Fatal Vision and that was why Jeffrey MacDonald won a settlement of approximately a third of a million dollars in 1987.
mrwonderfulman2011 7 months ago
@mrwonderfulman2011: So you think he's innocent b/c Jeff won a settlement over Fatal Vision? Please tell me you base it on more that this. Have you read the transcripts of the trial? Have you read the grand jury testimony? Have you read his psych. evaluations? There is no way you could think he's "innocent" if you read the evidence.
Why do so many people conclude guilt or innocence without even bothering to get to know the facts of the case???
mlc2005 1 month ago
@mlc2005 Let's talk about the facts! MacDonald's medical exam listed 17 stab wounds and three blunt traumas to the head. Jeff received emergency surgery at Womack to re-inflate his lung which had collapsed due to one of the stab wounds to his chest area. You would have to be the next Hollywood "Jackass" Star to successfully stab yourself 17 times and club yourself to the point of being found unconscious and breathing with only one lung. Call the Guinness Book of World Records now!
mrwonderfulman2011 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 His medical records state he had a bump on the head, not "blunt trauma" - Colette and Kimberley had "blunt trauma". The medical records also state he had some "very superficial lacerations" - other than that neat, straight-in-and-out chest wound that he gave himself, he didn't even need a band-aid.
Do not call the Guinnees Bood of World Records - gullible, psychologically needy believers of horrible murderers are a dime a dozen.
Gwyka 1 month ago
@mrwonderfulman2011 He wasn't stabbed that many times cause there was no blood where he said he was stabbed. He laid face down on the floor, NO BLOOD! Also none of his wounds matched up with his top, proving he stabbed himself in the lung w/ his shirt off. Also there's no threads found where he said his top was torn. All the threads were in the bedrooms w/ and on and around the victims. Anyone that thinks he's innocent are just plain foolish.
crawfish1313 1 month ago
they found the ice pick hidden under the house 25 yrs later, this would account for jeff's fingernails having dirt under them. he hoped that the investigaters would see all the murder weapons on the lawn and assume there were no more.
kfag101 2 years ago
Interesting!!
SamFem 2 years ago
I WANT to believe that a father (esp one seeming so normal) could not have done this to his wife/children, but this is just bizarre. There seems no possible way his story is true, its too unbelievable doesn't make sense, so.... guess I'm on the side that says he must've done it.. Some band of druggies poked him several times w/ an "Ice Pick" then beat/killed his family w/ a wood board and knives. Then left w/o witness. WTF!! Unbelievable!!
SamFem 2 years ago 3
They were in his way - with a psycopath they don't see humans as people they see them as objects to be dispensed with when they are of no more interest or use. They were in his way as he wanted to be free of the financial obligations and he wanted to mess with lots of other women. Divorce was a no no then in the military and would have ruined his upward climb - especially as the wife was so lovely and good.
JustUsIce 2 years ago 2
Just: Good Analysis. Does make sense when you put it that way. I hope they never let him out.
Being a psycopath, I bet he won't ever admit he did it as long as he has a chance @ appeal? He will just keep trying to get out of jail
SamFem 2 years ago 3
MacDonald was born in 1943, year of the goat. Goats, a water sign equivalent, have ferocious tempers.
SounzNice 2 years ago
@SounzNice
so r u saying anyone born in 1943 have "ferocious tempers" and therefore potentially would be likely suspects in killing their own children?
SamFem 2 years ago
@SamFem
No Sherlock. Not all people with hot tempers kill. It's just one more factor that adds up and makes sense .. unless you think anger had nothing to do with this case.
SounzNice 2 years ago
So u R saying ALL the people born in 1943
(and 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, and 2003) have "ferocious tempers" and should be considered dangerous AND if they are ever on trial this should be an important piece of evidence.
Um...OK.
SamFem 2 years ago
@SamFem
Why the paranoia? How does short fuse = instant child killer? You keep bringing up the connection, not me.
Having a hot temper only fits the crime puzzle of evidence. I wouldn't use astrology alone to build any case on. Calm down.
No, any sane person would never base decision from a single piece of evidence, unless it is very damnible. Any sane person would use ALL the evidence.
Think of astrology as the icing on the cake AFTER all the evidence points this way or that. Ok.
SounzNice 2 years ago
Jeffrey Macdonald said he was attacked by four people. He also said that he heard his daughter screaming, Daddy,Daddy,Daddy. If Macdonald was being attacked in the living room,who was attacking his daughter?
Jane1620 2 years ago
He also claimed that he heard his wife screaming at the same time, which would mean at least 6 people were in that very small house (4 attacking Mac, one attacking his daughter and one more attacking Colette).
Just one of the many reasons that his story doesn't make sense.
jksonny 2 years ago
My mother and I were watching the news,when the story came on about the MacDonald family being murdered. My mother looked at me and said" The husband did it" You're right about at least 6 people being in the house.MacDonald's pregnant wife and two little girls are butcherd and he's left alive.He's guilty.
Jane1620 2 years ago
No doubt about it.
jksonny 2 years ago
jksonny: I'm thinking the same thing. If u r being attacked & hear all that ...it would be more than 4 people, an ice pic & a pajama top to keep u from helping your kids. He would have been madly fighting to help his children. Sounds like he waited for the "hippies" to leave & w/ his collapsed went in each room and saw his wife & children dead and THEN finally called the police. It just doesn't add up. Plus he didn't bleed all over the living rm?? + no sign of big fight scene in Livg Rm??
SamFem 2 years ago
Most importantly, there's not one shred of evidence that anyone was inside the house except members of the MacDonald family. Six intruders, hippies or otherwise, would leave SOMETHING behind.
jksonny 2 years ago
Acid is groovy, kill the pigs??? Please...
darwinjr 2 years ago 3
He was molesting Kimmy &/or Christy. Colette likely caught him in the act. Excellent: Jeffrey MacDonald Information Website & make up your own mind. Christine has done a superb job (attended every day of the trial; and even was once a supporter). He had a little incision wound and 1 abrasion where Colette smacked him with a piece of wood. Pure rage against his wife/family=overkill. Poor Colette; died protecting her babies, both born/unborn. "BHS"...look it up.
findapartmentnow 2 years ago 8
what physical evidence is there to support that he was molesting his girls?
spoilermdc 2 years ago
There wasn't physical evidence of molestation found during the exams of the girls. People point to the bedwetting problem of the older girl and Colette's describing to her class that night how when one of the girls would come into their bed, he would tell Colette to go sleep on the couch. Personally, I don't believe he was molesting either of the girls.
Gwyka 2 years ago
the pych reports both from the govt and defense agreed that macdonald had a sexual imbalance
kfag101 2 years ago
I don't think he was molesting the girls, but I am wondering if he wanted to spank Kimmberly for bedwetting. The upstairs' neighbor heard Collete yelling, "I will not let you do that!"
In any case, investigators think that a fight broke out about the bedwetting, and then it escalated, with Jeff MacDonald flying into a rage, hitting Colette with a board, and then killing her and the kids to leave no witnesses.
strawberryseason 2 years ago
that is also something I have considered that collete was protecting kimmy from corporal punishment, who knows perhaps macdonald told her he was planning to seriously injure kimmy? prompting collete to say "what do you think I will be doing why you are doing this, you touch them I will kill you"
kfag101 2 years ago
I just watched the rerun of the 48 hours show on this. What is frightening is that if it hadn't been for Mr. Kessab, McDonald would have gotten away with this heinous crime.
His story of a band of Hippies with candles, ha! Pure malarky. At least this sociopath is behind bars.
strawberryseason 2 years ago 11
I don't think we can make assumptions, as Cavett does.
Many doctors come across as very emotionally detached - because in the past they have seen other people die, and have constructed emotional barriers.
richardmullins44 2 years ago
It's not that MacDonald's detached. He's playing up what happened for laughs.
jksonny 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i've seen too many people stitched up to be sure. In fact, I even doubt if Charles Manson was guilty.
richardmullins44 2 years ago
Pure sociopath-only concerned for himself
OnlyAPawn1970 2 years ago 5
Guilty Cheshire Cat
changling21 2 years ago
I believe that he is guilty as sin.... and as far as the other comment about evidence being lost or that the crime scene wasn't secure... I'm sorry, but you can't LOSE EVERY piece of evidence that points to intruders.... there was not one shred of evidence that proved the intruder theory. Not one!
dinkles77 2 years ago 2
I think he is guilty as sin...and he's exactly where he needs to be. The comment below about 'the reasons he's innocent involve the mishandling of the crime scene'.... this may be somewhat true...HOWEVER, you cannot accidentally destroy EVERY piece of evidence that points to intruders and be left with ONLY evidence that points to Macdonald. It isn't possible.
dinkles77 2 years ago
Absolutely disgusting video, watching a gut arrive on stage to applause and music, lie about his family, and leave a hero. A few month earlier he killed his wife, and stabbed his daughters through the heart! Those who believe him are really fools. Re read his story about drug crazed hippies attacking. Ridiculous!
brianlion1957 2 years ago
Thanks so much for posting this. Is there any way to view the Cavett interview in its entirety? How could a person of Macdonald's apparent intelligence not realize that he needed to at least go through the motions of presenting an air of grieving?
hunychile 2 years ago
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Unfortunately, this is the only segment I've ever found of the show. I would also love to see the rest.
As for MacDonald's non-grieving behavior, it's part of being a sociopath. Sociopaths are extreme egotists. They think they can manipulate/charm/fool anyone regardless of the circumstances. Also, at this point, Mac thought he was off the hook and had gotten away with it (which he almost did) so he didn't think he had any reason to worry.
jksonny 2 years ago
cause he is a socipath. unable to feel true emotions
kfag101 2 years ago
cause he is a socipath. they lack the intuition and feelings we have
kfag101 2 years ago
Macdonald is a consumate sociopath! no anxiety, no emotions
kfag101 2 years ago 3
The more I read of this case, the more it seems that the Pro-McDonald side of things is mostly made up of conspiracy theory hype and the resulting obsession with such.
vjwileycat 2 years ago 3
Exactly. MacDonald and his supporters have always talked up their "evidence" as if somehow, there's some piece of something out there that will magically wash away all the real evidence against MacDonald.
Also, many of the people that "support" MacDonald - particularly his lawyers and investigators - are smart, experienced people. No matter what they claim in public, they know damn well he's guilty and they're just playing an angle.
jksonny 2 years ago
I just watched this 48 hours show. The pro-MacDonald web sites says someone of some wiser influence advised him he should appear on that show to poke a little at the military mishandling of it all. He would have been better advised to not appear at all. Cavet was right - his affect was totally wrong. If he had been advised to do this show to bolster his innocence, you'd think he would have been advised better on how to act and not try to come off charming and witty.
vjwileycat 2 years ago
According to MacDonald (not that you can believe anything he says), Allard Lowenstein, a NY Congressman at the time,, arranged the appearance to help push for a congessional investigation into the murders. Assuming that's true, it certainly doesn't appear that was MacDonald's priority. It's worth mentioning that apparently, Lowenstein himself eventually suspected that MacDonald was guilty and cut off all contact with him.
jksonny 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this.
I think that an innocent person whose family had been murdered would not have needed to be advised, "Don't make jokes!"
Gwyka 2 years ago 2
Great 48 Hours episode, only they left out the part about how McDondald claimed to have killed one of the "assailants" and later had to admit he lied.
darwinjr 2 years ago
I think the original episode lasted 2 hours but they cut it to an hour for the reruns. They may have included MacDonald's sham about tracking down the hippie in the original version. It's discussed pretty thoroughly in the American Justice show. They have Kassab's reaction and they show MacDonald himself trying to explain how he made up the story for the sake of his in-laws' peace of mind. What a hero.
jksonny 2 years ago
I wish i would have seen that. I will be on the look out for the American Justice. I think they do re-runs too, don't they? As for the woman who confessed to being there, I think she was mentally ill.
vjwileycat 2 years ago
Yes, now that is ridiculous. The pro-Macdonald site just brushes that off as an immature way of trying to make things better for his dead wife's folks. Yeah, sure.
vjwileycat 2 years ago
Just look at his creepy twitching hands! Gruesome, evil child killer !Been looking for this clip, any more? I study csi cases.
dawnwest1128 2 years ago
I have the rest of the show but most of the other footage is pretty much the same stuff you would find elsewhere, like the A&E American Justice version. The Cavett interview was the only rare segment that I had not been able to find anywhere else.
If you haven't already done so, read 'Fatal Vision' by Joe McGinnis. It's excellent.
jksonny 2 years ago
Yeah I've been following this case for about 15 years. It's amazing how he never gives up. He's guilty as sin.
will0505 2 years ago
He'll never give it up. MacDonald is a pure sociopath and will try to manipulate right up until the end. Although now, he's running out of ammo even he can use. The DNA tests that were recently performed didn't do him any good; in fact, they substantiated his guilt. So, I guess he'll have to fall back on his old reliables; the "botched" crime scene, the corrupt government, his angry in-laws, Helena Stoeckley, etc., etc.
jksonny 2 years ago
I am tempted to read "Fatal Justice" by his attorneys to see what they have to say. I think no matter what exculpatory evidence was (or if) lost or suppressed, there is just too much going against him. His story never added up, the weapons came from his own home, and they never found evidence of anyone else there that night. As for other hairs, we pick up all kinds of things just going about our business. I think kids would do this more.
vjwileycat 2 years ago
I posted a short segment from the 'American Justice' program that shows some interviews with MacDonald and the Kassabs. I'd post the entire show but it's not worth the time b/c I suspect youtube would pull it.
jksonny 2 years ago
'Fatal Justice', IMO, is just one long effort at making mountains out of canyons. On the A&E show, the author and Mac's attorneys make outrageous claims about his innocence and about a neutral jury acquitting MacDonald in less than 15 min.'s if they could just get a new trial. It's ridiculous. They also talk a lot about DNA testing on some previously unidentified hairs, which has since been conducted. Rather than backing up MacDonald's story, the results substantiated his guilt (of course).
jksonny 2 years ago
I have read "Fatal Justice" and do Highly recommend it. I realize many, many people really think hes guilty but Im not so sure. The book Fatal Justice goes into many reasons why hes innocent. For me, the most compelling arguments center around how poorly the crime scene was handled and how many neighbors and high-ranking officers trampled through that house on the morning of the murders. You really should read it.
inkling29 2 years ago
My boyfriend has both books and has read both books, pluse The Scales of Justice and we have discussed this extensively. I have read excerpts from all. There's enough evidence on him in the end that I don't need to ponder it. But thanks for your view. The movie is also good.
vjwileycat 2 years ago 5
MacDonald, is such a slime ball I hope he rots in jail....
mschessy 2 years ago
I agree.
jksonny 2 years ago