comparitive karate san chiem ( sanchin ) San zhan

[Sugarfoot108]

Great to see this comparison side by side. It would be interesting to see them apply their respective forms side by side.

[dantankun]

One thing that is noticeable is that the Chinese san chin or sam chien are not soft technique or forms but involve intense power. I believe the 2nd master is that of Yong-Chun-Wuzuquan Pai.

[martinpaulwatts]

@dantankun

master chen is from the Da Yu Wu zu guan which is just a few kilometers from the ong gong shr wu shu guan in yong chun.

[richardhaw]

samchien is for life. you just do not stop doing it. a friend's father did it even on the morning of his death.

[ArukiI]

For the friend asking about the possible risks to health in performing Sanchin at a late age, it is not true, another “Karate urban legend” developed from unfounded beliefs published in a biased publication that rests merits to the Naha-Te based styles of Okinawan Karate. There has never been any serious medical research about the effects of Sanchin or any other Kata. My teacher practiced Sanchin kata until he died at the tender age of 91. His name was Yagi Meitoku Dai Sensei. Cheers.

[ArukiI]

Thank you for posting such an incredible video of historic interest. I wish I was personally there to witness such a moment.

[deek77]

Very interesting to see how different martial cultures and systems( i won't say styles, that word doesn't do justice) interpret the same kata/taolu. Just further evidence that the martial path is very much a personal and subjective experience. Each of these four masters would not be true to themselves if they did exactly like the others. OSU!

[hussaf1]

The announcers sound like Golf commentators! Pretty awesome video though...very cool idea.

[thedaoofplus1]

i dont care what anybody says san chin, doesnt come from white crane, its dragon breathing, look at a komodo dragon, ora croc hiss. its dragon breathing all day kept alive by the 5 ancestors.. but damn its awesome to see this. so much lineage.

[partway]

@thedaoofplus1

"i dont care what anybody says " Hmmm...then mind is closed gate lol

Anyhow, the hissing was added as a training aid and is not actually a part of the kata. I lost this "hiss" sometime ago...

[thedaoofplus1]

@partway i said look at a komodo dragon or a croc hiss, not that it was in the technique. they hiss from the same place you attemp this technique from. btw my mind is a swinging gate. caring has nothing to do with analyzing. anyone with eyes and ears can tell that dragons breathe that way/

[Suigetsukanno]

@thedaoofplus1 Actually, the "hissing" comes from two things, neither related to "dragons." First, the tip of the tongue is pressed against the roof of the mouth on a particular vital point, the same as in Taijiquan. The difference is that Taijiquan tends to exhale through the nose, Karate exhales through the mouth.

Second, it deals with the speed of which you exhale and the size of the space from which it's being forced through.

It's a form of aerobic respiratory conditioning.

[thedaoofplus1]

@Suigetsukanno again, i didnt say there was hissing in san chin. i was comparing the technique to a hiss from a komodo dragon or a croc. show me one crane that breathes that way. the nun ng mui is responsible for southern white crane and dragon. i'm saying its dragon breathing not crane. thats all.

[MrBrokenwind]

I have a question i have been reading at a certain age should you not perform san chin kata any thoughts

[martinpaulwatts]

As with all our forms I think from the age of 8 is fine - but of course at that age it is just the movements you are teaching not the other breathing and muscle stuff. Best Wishes.

[sweetfly66]

@martinpaulwatts ... I wonder if he was asking about the other side of age ... I heard that the dynamic tension inherant in Sanchin can be detrimental to older practitioners .

[martinpaulwatts]

@sweetfly66 dont think - at least the way we do it, the breathing and tension ( or blood pressure ) changes are gradual not forced, so you can tone them down and still be doing them.

[sweetfly66]

@martinpaulwatts ... I notice that when I watch videos of some of the older Okinawan masters , their Sanchin`s seem " soft " ... probably a result of scaling back on the dynamic tension

[Suigetsukanno]

@MrBrokenwind There has been a noted health issue with many GojuRyu Karateka whom practice Sanchin the same way they did when they were twenty when they reach the their forties and fifties and having heart and blood pressure problems.

The problem is they are forgetting to develop their kata in response to their own body's changes. Imagine lifting 200lbs. Now imagine grandpa lifting a 200lbs barbell. The physical conditioning aspect needs to be tweaked as your grow older.

[TonyPstunts]

What a GREAT Video! Im so grateful to whom ever was the person to get these masters together! The family of Classical Karate and Chinese Martial arts is VERY close. Yet many on both sides insist that they are not one in the same.

GREAT VIDEO!

[glimmerman108]

Very nice!

[jesuspi]

Absolutely beautiful... love seeing the different generations of this gorgeous kata. THANKS!

[JMHamilton1]

As a Goju Ryu person, thank you for this video, it is a high honor to see masters in the arts working as one Ooss...

[SithV1]

It's very cool to see different versions of Sanchin Kata all at the same time. It seems to me that Higaonna was leaning back a bit far when performing his Sanchin kata instead of standing straight.

[NewEnglandBudo]

Yes, he seemed to be breaking the golden rule of Sanchin of keeping your spine aligned

[oldturkeybuzzard]

¡excelente! ¡buenisimo! que grandes maestros y todos juntos eso se ve muy poco en estos tiempos. y para los q amamos las artes marciales es un buen ejemplo para comparar como esta forma o kata fue cambiando segun al estilo que migrara.

[Koryuhoka]

The first practitioner is Master Pan of Yong Chun Village and he is doing Yong Chun White Crane Sam Chien. The second one is from the next generation of students. I believe he trains with Master Pan's Son. Third is Shinyu Gushi doing Pangainoon Sanchin and Higaonna Morio doing Goju Ryu Sanchin.

Yong Chun Village is the birthplace of White Crane Boxing.

[martinpaulwatts]

The second master ( Chen Jian Feng ) does not train with the Pan family - he is of a slightly different ( but probably overlapping ) lineage.

Martin Watts

[Koryuhoka]

Martin, thanks for your correction - if anyone would know, it would be you.

[singhakabuttar]

thanks fo that bit of information.

[standard101]

Just look at those posters in the backgrounds. Who are those guys??? =)

[webslinger1]

Thanks for posting this, I saw it on here before but it was taken down or removed.

[martinpaulwatts]

Hi hempev - what is a sanchin dachi? Thanks -

[webslinger1]

Sanchin dachi is the name of the stance(dachi) used in the Goju and Uechi versions, named likely after the form. I don't practice white crane so I don't know if they call it that or not.

[Suigetsukanno]

@martinpaulwatts Dachi literally means "stand" or "stance." Sanchin Dachi is the "hourglass" stance in which one foot is stepped forward from a crescent step and the toes and feet are...for lack of better terminology, turned in.

[hempev]

Really interesting to see how different schools interpret this form! The third master performed what we learned (with a different emphasis on certain moves), but all 4 make a wider sanchin dachi than we are allowed (sometimes with a comment about being "open for attack"), but we are beginners, so we *have to be* a little more careful!